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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to a breaking news episode of the

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Speaker 2: Almost Samos podcast. It is Ashley and I am joined

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Speaker 2: by Trista Sutter and Bob Guiney, who you guys may

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Speaker 2: know do the spinoff of Almost Say Miss, which is

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Speaker 2: Almost Samoss Bo geez, and we're grateful to have them

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Speaker 2: here to break down their thoughts and feelings on the

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor divorce. It's very sad, very sad, but I

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Speaker 2: got lots of feelings that I can't wait to talk

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Speaker 2: about them with you guys from all different sorts of

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Speaker 2: perspectives before we rip into these two and try to

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Speaker 2: overanalyze everything that we truly don't know. I do want

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Speaker 2: to say that, of course, divorce is horrible. It's horrible.

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Speaker 2: It's it's very sad situation. We wanted them to have

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Speaker 2: a happy ending. But you know what, in the Good

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Speaker 2: Morning America interview, they honestly seem like they're both in

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Speaker 2: good places. So let's let the analyzation go forth. First,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna start with you guys, oh geez, members of

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation, and then Bob, you are going to talk

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Speaker 2: to super fan and Jenny Garth about how she's feeling

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Speaker 2: because she was really into this couple. Yeah, I'm also

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Speaker 2: going to talk to some normies, some New Army grandma fans,

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Speaker 2: see how they're responding to their generations, you know, the

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Speaker 2: version of the franchise kind of going south very quickly.

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Speaker 2: And then we're also going to have Bachelor data on

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Speaker 2: and she is going to give us some stats about

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Speaker 2: just marriage and the Bachelor franchise and like whether she

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Speaker 2: has any insight on whether this one was gonna come

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Speaker 2: so soon?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: Can you when you talk to her, well, you ask

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Speaker 4: her what she never includes me and her data?

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Speaker 2: She doesn't why your because you drag you would like

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Speaker 2: make everything so high because like you're twenty marriage just

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Speaker 2: like yeah, just like it's like whoa.

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Speaker 5: My classes growing up? Because she would have just ruined

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Speaker 5: the curve.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, Trista, you have such a gap between

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Speaker 2: your like getting together in marriage to the next one

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Speaker 2: because isn't the next one Jason? So how many years

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Speaker 2: then span like over ten?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think that they are just celebrating.

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Speaker 6: Their eleven Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Wow, see that's why. Yeah, I know, I'll ask her,

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Speaker 2: I'll ask her, okay, so let let me go first.

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Speaker 2: My initial reaction was, Wow, I can't believe this happened

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Speaker 2: so fast. Why the three months? I was like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I told you. I was like, I

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Speaker 2: was so incredibly sick at their wedding, I was ten

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Speaker 2: weeks pregnant and now I'm twenty four, so it was

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Speaker 2: fourteen weeks. It was a it was a trimester. They

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Speaker 2: were married for a tris.

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Speaker 5: That's how we keep scoring, that's how we keep track

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Speaker 5: of time, and when you're mom and it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I definitely thought it was weird they were

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Speaker 2: getting married so soon. I've been very vocal about that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, four months, why would you ever get

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Speaker 2: married after four months of knowing each other? It's not

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Speaker 2: even a four month engagement. It was four months of

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Speaker 2: knowing each other, and most of those months they were

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Speaker 2: even actually in the same room, and people like they

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Speaker 2: would only we were actually only like we're a couple

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Speaker 2: that were announced about a month. Four weeks. Yeah, from

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Speaker 2: like the finale to their their wedding.

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Speaker 4: That may be something for future people to take into account.

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Speaker 4: You know, from here on they they have their like

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Speaker 4: they have a big, long life. That they've lived and

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Speaker 4: they know themselves. Like all these things that like younger

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Speaker 4: people kind of fight against is do you even know yourself?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what you.

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Speaker 2: Want out of life?

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Speaker 4: Do you know the kind of partner that you want?

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Speaker 4: And I feel like they both were there, they knew

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Speaker 4: exactly what they were looking for, right, And so I

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Speaker 4: think that time element definitely is an interesting factor because

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Speaker 4: I thought personally when they did announce that they were

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Speaker 4: good for them, because if they know, they know, then

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Speaker 3: Well they still haven't even moved into the same home.

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Speaker 5: That's that was news that just came out last week. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: You know, when my ex wife and I started living

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Speaker 5: even here's here's what I was thinking about. What you

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Speaker 5: said Ashley, Like I agree with Ashley, Like I was like,

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Speaker 5: why are they rushing this? It's like, you know, all

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Speaker 2: There's like so seventy seventy two, Like why would you

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Speaker 2: That's what I don't get it. Even in the case

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Speaker 5: No part of me too is kind of like something

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Speaker 5: must have been fundamentally flawed from the jump, because you

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Speaker 5: don't let someone spend a couple million bucks on your

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Speaker 5: So it's like, are we not willing to try and

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Speaker 5: get into some counseling? I mean, are we not willing

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Speaker 5: they don't live the life of a married couple, like

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Speaker 3: But maybe they just sort of take a few minutes

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Speaker 2: That's why this is.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's I don't think that's so. I

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Speaker 4: I think that, yeah, that would be a good idea.

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Speaker 4: So I reached out to Angie, who's Gary's daughter, and

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Speaker 4: just said, hey, you tell will you tell your dad?

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Speaker 4: I'm just sending him a virtual hug. I'm sorry to

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Speaker 4: here's his number, you know, thank you, but why don't

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Speaker 4: I personally think that it wasn't something that could be,

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Speaker 4: they just can't compromise, then there's nothing to talk about,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like, if you're deciding to prioritize,

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Speaker 4: just it should have been discussed. I feel like, but they.

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Speaker 7: Should have would it could?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't help anyone, right, so I just feel bad,

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Speaker 4: But I do feel like they if they were adamant

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Speaker 4: And and I think that anyone in the future going

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Speaker 4: learn from this that you really do need to talk

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Speaker 4: about like the realistic you know, like the logistics of

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Speaker 4: make it work. You really do need, I feel like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, because maybe I'm just

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Speaker 2: a companionship. But it doesn't have to be one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent full time companionship. It's like think about like the

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Speaker 2: older people who have like a boyfriend in a different state,

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Speaker 2: and it's just like, oh, my boyfriend, and like they

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Speaker 2: visit each other once a month twice, you know, twice

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Speaker 2: a month. I don't know that they needed to uproot

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Speaker 2: their entire lives to keep the marriage alive. I just

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Speaker 2: don't know that I buy the whole like location is

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Speaker 2: the reason we're divorcing after three months. That just feels

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Speaker 2: really extreme, and I really think that there's a way

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Speaker 2: I know like it, travel is expensive, but you're telling

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Speaker 2: me that, like you're supposedly still in love aka the

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Speaker 2: realize that you just can't dedicate your time to traveling

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to like talk, especially when Trista,

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Speaker 2: like you are in you know, you're you're friendly with

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Speaker 2: the family, But there's something weird about this, Like why I.

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Speaker 6: Do hear that?

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Speaker 4: I think that if you are in love, then you're right,

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Speaker 4: Like you know I just said two seconds ago, like oh,

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Speaker 4: love can only conquer so much, but you're right, Like

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Speaker 4: it work. But I, I just I just don't know

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Speaker 4: if the timing is right. And I don't know that

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Speaker 5: Say this as as a person who's gone through divorce, Okay,

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Speaker 5: gonna say you can't you don't.

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Speaker 3: You don't take that step lightly.

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Speaker 5: Is dope and it's and it's like, I don't care

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Speaker 5: if you want the divorce or you don't want the divorce.

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Speaker 3: It sucks no matter what. And when you're gonna go through.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sorry to throw this extra wrinkle on there,

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Speaker 5: but I do think there's something to be said about

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Speaker 5: they're they're they're gonna get just I mean, I agree,

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Speaker 5: I get they're older and so maybe they won't get it.

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Speaker 3: As bad, but they're getting shredded. And it's like, you know,

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Speaker 5: You don't make that step without exhausting everything that you

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Speaker 5: I can say as as someone who went through a divorce,

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Speaker 5: and my wife Kenyon knows this, I say this.

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Speaker 3: To all the time. I'm like, I never stopped caring

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Speaker 5: It was that we tried everything we could and we

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't it wasn't me living in la and

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Speaker 3: her living in New York it was much more than that.

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Speaker 3: That was just the extraw that broke Camels back, you

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Speaker 5: So it's like, if you're a couple that all you've

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Speaker 5: ever known is living apart with them, then I have

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Speaker 5: a hard time, like Ashley's saying, I have a hard

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Speaker 5: time accepting the fact that the fact that they weren't

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like I just listen to the Good Morning America interview

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Speaker 2: I just felt like there it was being that there's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no one knows. Right, we can all sit here

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Speaker 4: I've always said that I feel maternal and it's weird

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Speaker 9: I'm just sad.

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Speaker 2: It's a well, well, Bob, we want you to give

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Speaker 10: Almost famous.

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Speaker 5: I am here, Bob, getting of cour with our special guest,

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Speaker 5: Jenny Garth. Jenny long, you know, longtime friend of the show.

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Speaker 5: You know I'm a huge fan and a longtime friend.

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Speaker 5: Golden Bachelor literally have been married for three months. I

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Speaker 5: mean I've I've probably wore socks longer than that. I

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Speaker 11: I mean, what, okay, Jenny, I they have the tear

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Speaker 6: So you would think that they would have a drown

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Speaker 8: Or at least be willing to fight for it a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't understand this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I am truly devastated.

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Speaker 11: I feel like my mom and dad are getting a divorce.

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Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, you know, one of my friends today

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Speaker 8: He's like, I can't understand how you would.

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Speaker 8: And he's like, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 5: And you know, there's something to be said about this

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Speaker 5: part too, Jenny, And I know you're a big fan

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Speaker 8: It's like, you go through these situations and you get

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Speaker 5: And you know, of course, the greatest success story of

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Speaker 11: Pretty upset this is But I think I got married

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Speaker 11: in either three months or six months, I can't remember,

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Speaker 6: It's going pretty good.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 11: On one hand, good for them for you know, cutting

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Speaker 11: But on the other hand, oh my god, so many

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we were so invested.

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Speaker 8: I know, I think we all were.

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Speaker 5: Like I was just talking yesterday about how much I

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Speaker 6: It was so real, It felt so real.

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Speaker 8: I feel like I feel like you and I need

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Speaker 6: We need to either go get therapy or go give

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Speaker 11: Is you going to go like, is he going to

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Speaker 8: I don't know. Do you think he does like it?

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Speaker 5: Do you think he does like an expose where he

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Speaker 3: Explains what I mean? Are they going to do something

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Speaker 6: Let's hope so because I'll be there for that.

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Speaker 11: But I did another reason where like where it's Gary

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's interesting because there's been so much

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Speaker 5: So now what, like, does Teresa come back as the

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Speaker 6: Who's going to be the Bachelorette?

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Speaker 8: I don't know. They've been kicking it around.

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Speaker 6: Teresa come back?

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Speaker 7: Honestly, I mean, could it be?

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Speaker 11: It's true because even like I, I did not want

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Speaker 6: Is the one.

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Speaker 11: Actually, yeah, I know, But it turns out long enough

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Speaker 5: You know, you gotta wonder. And of course I hate

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Speaker 6: Or Yeah, I'm dying to know now, like I need

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna find out.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure we're gonna find out very soon.

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Speaker 6: Well, I will be on the edge of my seat.

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Speaker 5: All right, Jenny, I know you're almost to your destination,

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Speaker 5: So let's just let's just say, let's just say what

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Speaker 3: I feel betrayed a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And you know, first of all, Trista and I go

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Speaker 3: She was invited to the Golden Wedding.

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Speaker 5: I've been. I've brought it up many a time, and

441
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Speaker 5: now I think they're wishing they would have invited me.

442
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: Perhaps the outcome would have been different.

443
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Speaker 6: Maybe Braden and Christina will work out better.

444
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

445
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 3: Somebody's bound to. I mean, my god, they've got to.

446
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 11: You know that picture with the tear mark between them.

447
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 11: I've had a couple of those, and you probably have to.

448
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 11: But when I saw that this morning, yeah, I was

449
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 11: pretty devastated.

450
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you and me both. And you know it's funny.

451
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you feel this way when it's

452
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 5: celebrity gossip, but I've seen many of them in US

453
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 5: Weekly and you know, Star and whoever else is around.

454
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 5: But when TMZ reports it, I'm like, this must be true, right.

455
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't know why I.

456
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 5: Feel that way, but I feel like they won't put

457
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Speaker 5: anything up that hasn't at least been vetted a little

458
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 5: bit in the race to be like first. And I'm

459
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 5: always like when I saw it on TMZ, which was

460
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Speaker 5: later in the day, because in the morning, I first

461
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 5: I saw it as Weekly, then I saw it on

462
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Speaker 5: some other like just Jared or something, and then all

463
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 5: of a sudden, boom, it pops up on TMZ.

464
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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's it. It's official.

465
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 6: It is official, like herpes.

466
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

467
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't think there's anything you can take

468
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 5: to make this one go away.

469
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Speaker 7: I know it's so sad.

470
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Speaker 5: I have to go.

471
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Speaker 6: I need to cry a little.

472
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Speaker 8: I know it is a bummer.

473
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Speaker 6: Sorry, I feel forsa.

474
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Speaker 4: Oh.

475
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Speaker 8: I know part of me feels like I don't know.

476
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 8: I feel like she was sort of like.

477
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Speaker 12: I mean, I'm not blaming Gary here because I don't

478
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Speaker 12: know either one of them, but it's like part of

479
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 12: me feels like, for whatever reason, I don't know, do

480
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 12: you think you think they felt pressure like they had to.

481
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Speaker 8: Get married right away, or do you think that they

482
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Speaker 8: I don't know.

483
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 11: I mean, either they felt pressured and they felt like

484
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Speaker 11: they had to do it for the sake of the

485
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Speaker 11: show and they were pressured into it that way, or

486
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 11: they felt like time is of the essence, right you

487
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 11: getting up there, or they just were like, let's throw

488
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Speaker 11: caution to the wind and let's do whatever we want

489
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 11: because we're golden, you.

490
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Speaker 3: Know, exactly.

491
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Or maybe it was a combination of all of

492
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 5: those things and it was just like they had to

493
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 5: make the big jump. But it was kind of fishy

494
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 5: that neither one of them ever was willing to move

495
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Speaker 5: to the other or to be at least in a

496
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Speaker 5: find a place that worked for both of them. I mean,

497
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Speaker 5: that's been something that's been kind of bantered about a

498
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Speaker 5: little bit. I mean, they've been married for three months

499
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Speaker 5: and they still live separately.

500
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Speaker 11: Really, yeah, were they geographically undesirable were they like, do

501
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 11: they live in different parts of the country.

502
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Speaker 3: I think so.

503
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Speaker 5: I remember reading something that they said to South Carolina

504
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 5: might work for them to have like as a as

505
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Speaker 5: a central place that was close enough to her family

506
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 5: and not too far from his or something of that nature.

507
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 8: But yeah, I guess that doesn't mean anything.

508
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 11: Now, well, geez, I mean, I really do wish them

509
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 11: both the best, but I do need some good parenting therapy,

510
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 11: like divorced therapy work.

511
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 13: Now.

512
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'm calling my shrink right after we

513
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Speaker 5: hang up.

514
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 8: I need I need some help.

515
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Speaker 5: You.

516
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Speaker 8: Well, thank you for jumping on with us.

517
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 5: I know you're you're going somewhere and you're busy, and

518
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 5: thanks for jumping on and letting us know your thoughts.

519
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we know you're a big fan of

520
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 5: the show and that you you love you know, watching

521
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 5: the season, and got to be honest, I'm a little

522
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 5: what it means.

523
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Speaker 7: I don't know what it means.

524
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Speaker 5: For a lot of things. You know what I mean,

525
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Speaker 5: Because I mean even in the past, like when the

526
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 5: couples would be engaged and wanted to break up, they

527
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 5: would get like the production crew would get involved, like

528
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: they'd be like, well, hold on, let's you know, let's

529
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 5: let's have you guys meet up and at least talk

530
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 5: and maybe you could talk with someone.

531
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Speaker 8: And we've been making you keep everything secret for.

532
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 5: So long all that kind of stuff, so I wonder

533
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 5: like if production was sideswiped by this, or if they

534
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: had a heads up and they've been working on it

535
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 5: for like a month, who knows.

536
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 11: We need to know that all the details we are

537
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 11: inquiring minds and we need to know that's right.

538
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 8: Amy Sugarman will probably be able to find out.

539
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: She knows everything.

540
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 6: She'll give us the dirt, She'll get it for us.

541
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Speaker 4: All right.

542
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Speaker 5: Thank you, Jenny gar, thank you for being on the show,

543
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 5: and thanks for thanks for thanks for.

544
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Speaker 3: Working through some of my issues with me on this call.

545
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: I needed you.

546
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 6: You're welcome. I'm always here for you, Bob. I appreciate it.

547
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 5: And if I get more details, we'll call you back

548
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 5: and we'll get you back on so we can talk

549
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: about it.

550
00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 14: Okay, bye bye, Well, Bob, thank you for that.

551
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: And now we have producer Amy, who we haven't had

552
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: on this podcast for quite some time here with breaking

553
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: news along with her mom, Cheryl, who happens to be

554
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: a grandma. So we have two great perspectives.

555
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 15: We wanted to give the old person's perspective. But here's

556
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 15: what I can say, Ashley, and I thought everything you

557
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 15: guys were saying was very astute, like, yes, it is geographic,

558
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 15: but that seems a little suspect, right, And so we've

559
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 15: heard So I'm going to tell you what sources have

560
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 15: been telling us. I just won't reveal my sources. We've

561
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 15: heard rumblings of.

562
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Speaker 7: This since January thirtieth, So.

563
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Speaker 2: Why specifically the thirtieth, because.

564
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: It's I can just remember the date when the person.

565
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: Told me, okay, and can you give us like a

566
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: general like is this person part of the Bachelor family?

567
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: Is this person part of Bachelor very.

568
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 15: Well connected to all parties? And what we heard back

569
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 15: then was they don't live together, They're never going.

570
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 3: To live together.

571
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 7: So I was like, okay, wow, that's interesting.

572
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 15: But like you were saying, Ashley, it's like, yeah, a

573
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 15: lot of old people could just have a nice companion.

574
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 7: They go on a cruise I don't know.

575
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 15: Every six months, and they live their lives in separate locations.

576
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 15: My mom's here, and I'll interject with her because she

577
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 15: would never leave her grandchildren or her hair salon.

578
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 7: I mean, right, a hair salon.

579
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 5: Maybe hair does like beautiful by the way, Cheryl, well,

580
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 5: thank you?

581
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 7: No, I guess well should I I do?

582
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Speaker 16: My feeling is I'm wondering why what the rush was

583
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 16: to get married?

584
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: Was it the money? Let's talk about that. We all

585
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: feel as if they got paid a lot of money

586
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: to get married on live TV, because that's just how

587
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: we do in Bachelor Nation. You know, you get married,

588
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: if you get married on the show, you get money.

589
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: Because their ratings were so high and they did such

590
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: a quick turnaround with the wedding, we really thought that

591
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: there was probably a good payday in it for them.

592
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: But how cheated do we feel as viewers that like

593
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: these people? We could assume, maybe wrongly, but we could

594
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: assume got married or rushed into a wedding for the money.

595
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 7: I would love to.

596
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 15: Hear Triska's perspective on the being paid to have a wedding.

597
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 7: Also, it does extend.

598
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 15: Your fame, right, So if you're if you're starting to

599
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 15: like the money and now you're the couple that get

600
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 15: married on TV, and Trista you can really speak to

601
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 15: that not only did you get paid for the wedding,

602
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 15: but I'm sure it helped you with like brand deals

603
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 15: following that, I guess, But I just I mean, we.

604
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Speaker 4: Didn't have anything.

605
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 7: Stupidly.

606
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I wish if we would have, like because

607
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: like Bob said the other day, he's like, he would

608
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: be billionaires if social media had been around back then,

609
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 4: And that would be nice because I'd love to pay

610
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: my taxes and not worry. But I so I didn't realize.

611
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: I didn't really think about the money part of it.

612
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: But You're right that if it was a lot, it

613
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: was a live wedding, it was quick. And what I

614
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: was going to say earlier when we were talking is

615
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: that I guarantee that production had some pressure going on.

616
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: They were applying a lot of pressure to do this quickly.

617
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: I don't know that they would have done it had

618
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: it not been a televised wedding. I highly doubt that

619
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Speaker 4: Gary and Teresa would have been like, we need to

620
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: get ready or get married tomorrow. You know, it was

621
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Speaker 4: all I would say, all about production, right, yeah, And

622
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: so if they got paid, you know, that's just icing

623
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: on the cake for us. It was you know, we

624
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: went into negotiations and I don't remember them saying like

625
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: it needs to be quick. But we did a whole

626
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Speaker 4: like four piece uh special. It was like three different,

627
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: four different segments. It wasn't a live show, even though

628
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 4: they talked about doing a live show. So, I mean

629
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: the money was good. I don't know how much they got,

630
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: and I've I've heard over the years that no one

631
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: would get as much as God got, right, Yeah, you know,

632
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: I don't think they would they would pay that much. Again,

633
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: Like it was like pulling teeth to get anything from

634
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: them back then, even knowing that they were going to

635
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: make bank just from having it on the air, you know,

636
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 4: so we had to fight really hard to get any

637
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: kind of cut in.

638
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Really, I thought you guys made a bundle well a

639
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: million okay, yeah.

640
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got paid a million. But my my agent

641
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: was like, you're making like how many times that you know,

642
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: like and you would not be able to do this

643
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 4: without Trista and Ryan. Sorry, we were a big part

644
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: of the show because you were.

645
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Being twenty plus million viewers. How many viewers at your

646
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: wedding game?

647
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 4: No we have, well we had thirty one million watches

648
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: are you engaging? And then twenty six million watched the wedding.

649
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: So at that point in time, thirty one people, thirty

650
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: one million people had had watched the finale of the show.

651
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 7: So so yes.

652
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I just I don't want to think

653
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: that about Gary Drear.

654
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 15: Question is it's hard when you get into what you

655
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 15: three have been Bob, Trista, Ashley. There's the fame, there's

656
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 15: the excitement, there's all these things pulling you.

657
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 7: How could you resist it? Bob has his hand though.

658
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was going to say thank you so much,

659
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: miss Sugarman for recognizing my raised hand.

660
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, here's the thing.

661
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 5: So Trista, I mean, there was a lot of pressure

662
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 5: on Trista back then, but Tristan Ryan took a year,

663
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 5: right like they like, they took time from I mean,

664
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: if it wasn't a full year, it was it was

665
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 5: a while from the time that I remember you guys

666
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 5: finished dating to the time like the time that you know,

667
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 5: when I was on Trista's season, from the finale the

668
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 5: time they got married. I mean, there was a lot

669
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 5: of time in there, and I think that you know,

670
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: they had that time to get to know one another.

671
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 5: But this I think was another moment of high stakes,

672
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: right because let's be honest, they're already teasing the Golden Bachelorette,

673
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 5: so they needed a success to spurn more success. And

674
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 5: so that's why I think there was probably pressure coming

675
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: from the producers. But I also think they wouldn't have

676
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: let these guys. This wouldn't have been a public announcement

677
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: the producers. I think I think what Amy said was right,

678
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 5: Like January thirtieth, I'm sure the producers have been trying

679
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: to keep these two together for months.

680
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 7: They work hard, I was.

681
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 15: Gonna say, Ashley. The little bit of information we also.

682
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 7: Have is that they did not they have been.

683
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 15: Separated, and I use that term loosely. Knew this was

684
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 15: coming right for a little bit of time.

685
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 7: The rumor we have heard.

686
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 15: From good sources is that they would have liked to

687
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 15: not announce this for quite a while because it's it's

688
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 15: the timing is.

689
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: So bad, like it's just too quick.

690
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 15: I think they would have liked to go a year

691
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 15: before they let anyone find out that things.

692
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: Weren't going to work out, like I'm sorry, but separated

693
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: even before fourteen weeks in your youth, and for you

694
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: on January thirtieth to have heard that they were never

695
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: going to live together, like this just has sham written

696
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: all over it.

697
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 15: Two weeks ago to the wedding itself made me so

698
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 15: uncomfortable that I didn't watch it.

699
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: And Tris, I also feel bad saying this because you

700
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: felt it, but being at wedding, I didn't feel it.

701
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 2: I didn't have any sort of sense of being choked up.

702
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: There's no tears coming out of miss cryings eyes. And

703
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: I remember like when I was coming back and I

704
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 2: was going to record my other podcast with my friend

705
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: who was a huge Golden Bachelor fan. I was like,

706
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: She's like, you have to talk about it. I was like,

707
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it because like I

708
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: have nothing like really warm and fuzzy to say. I

709
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: just didn't really feel it, so I didn't need to

710
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: talk about you.

711
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 15: It's like somehow she had an instinct. These two were

712
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 15: not like, all, don't do it.

713
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: Don't do it.

714
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: Why do you have any reason beyond instinct? Because I

715
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: just had gut now.

716
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 16: I was just uncomfortable, uh thinking about watching it.

717
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 7: I just didn't want to watch it.

718
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 4: Do you think that it made you uncomfortable with the

719
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: whole Leslie situation?

720
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 15: She didn't get in the Weeds, because here's what started

721
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 15: to happen started to speak for you. My mom started

722
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 15: watching it, and she started pretty quickly realizing like something

723
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 15: wasn't quite right.

724
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: And by the time we got to the wedding, she has.

725
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 7: Like's like, oh, I can't I can't watch this.

726
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 15: I had a big party and had people over and

727
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 15: I'm like, Mom, come over, and she goes, yeah, I

728
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 15: don't want to watch them. And I don't know if

729
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 15: it's because she's their age. Maybe she was like a

730
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 15: little creepy to me.

731
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had a good radar going. I mean, obviously

732
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: you picked up on something that you know.

733
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: Me.

734
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 7: I don't know.

735
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. I think you're just

736
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: very perceptive.

737
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 15: Well, it's like maybe other because my mom's hung out

738
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 15: with Susan and Kathy and she loves that dinner with them,

739
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 15: and so I think that maybe like these ladies of

740
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 15: a certain age, my mom's seventy six, also like, what

741
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 15: seventy do.

742
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: You want to get married?

743
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 13: Well?

744
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 7: No, And that's my other thought on this.

745
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 16: I think what they were trying to do was very difficult,

746
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 16: very difficult. You know, they were going to move right

747
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 16: and I can't imagine leaving my granddaughters. I mean I

748
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 16: cooked dinner for my youngest granddaughters twice a week. I mean,

749
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 16: I wouldn't give that up. And my relations and being

750
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 16: part of their lives.

751
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 15: I mean, well, and not to out my mom, but

752
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 15: this is something about older people.

753
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 7: They're very set in their ways.

754
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 15: Like my mom has a garbage can that you're not

755
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 15: allowed to put garbage in, like it's so and like

756
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 15: you use her a certain sync and she's like, you're

757
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 15: getting the sink wet and like I'm not making it up.

758
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 15: Like I can't imagine who people set in their ways

759
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 15: trying to like win together.

760
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 9: But yeah, that's the point.

761
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 6: That's why I.

762
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 7: Was wondering why they were rushing to get married. I

763
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 7: have because of production, you can have so much fun.

764
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 16: I mean, go have fun, get to know each other,

765
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 16: take some trips, play golf, you know, whatever they like.

766
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 7: To do, and you don't have to get married necessarily.

767
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 4: I feel like if it wasn't a television show, then they.

768
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 5: Would have done that.

769
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 6: Yeah do you know what I meaning?

770
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 4: Had they met like somewhere else than in production wasn't involved,

771
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: then maybe they would have done that. But since there's

772
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: a TV show, you know, all all that get thrown

773
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 4: out the window.

774
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 15: And Christa, do you think I'm trying to look in

775
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 15: Trista's eyes and see if I can see a glimpse

776
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 15: of the truth. Do you think that they would have

777
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 15: liked to not have to do this ABC Good Morning

778
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 15: America special Today, Like would they have liked.

779
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 4: To like said they didn't want to do that, Yes,

780
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: especially since you're saying that they didn't want to even

781
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: announce it for a year. They I think that they're

782
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: allegedly it's perfect part of their contract. To be quite honest,

783
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 4: they probably are still under contract. I don't know how

784
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: contracts work these days. Like if they're all tried to

785
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 4: do contracts out there, they are for a year.

786
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 7: So the ring goes back, right, all of it?

787
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that's you Bob Getty rule.

788
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 7: I've heard.

789
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 5: True.

790
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 7: It's delegate to keep her ring.

791
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: And then they were like she did, yes, and she

792
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 5: sold it and so they became like some type of

793
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 5: weird time frame in there.

794
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

795
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: So there's two things I want to mention, especially with

796
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: Trista's still around. One, I could have not felt much

797
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: at the wedding because it was the live TV version

798
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: and we had to keep stopping, and that felt really awkward,

799
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: Like it's felt like we were on the set of

800
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: a wedding, not that we were actually at a wedding.

801
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that that took some magical Wait.

802
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 7: Actually, I just have to mention your lamb chop when

803
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 7: you're just cruising around this wedding.

804
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: It was not a lamb chop. I don't eat lamb.

805
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: That's the one meat I won't eat. But yeah, that

806
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: was the only screen time I had was I had

807
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: a meatball. Yeah, And I was like, I was literally

808
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: eating meatball, being like I'm totally on camera right now,

809
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: aren't I And I was like, ah, there it is.

810
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 15: I had to call that because it didn't look like

811
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 15: you were like, I don't know what's happening here, but

812
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 15: I'm just going to eat these meatballs.

813
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: Totally okay. But then, Trista, the other thing I wanted

814
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: to say is, regarding what you said earlier in the episode,

815
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: you said, we'll never really know what happened between the

816
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: two of them, but you know what, we very well

817
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: may because this Golden Bachelor cast, with women like Kathy

818
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: and Susan keep in these secrets.

819
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 7: Totally and those ladies already tight.

820
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 15: All those ladies are still friends, and they're gonna realize like, hey,

821
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 15: we're in it as girls together and they're gonna dish.

822
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: I think, like, if you're gonna get like a whole

823
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: bunch of dirt on Gary, she should get with these girls.

824
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: And and then, you know what, I wanted to come

825
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: on my our podcast and talk about this. But if

826
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: if Theresa needs to go and talk to Susan and

827
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: Kathy on their podcast and give us the real scoop,

828
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: sign this up.

829
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: She needs to speak to some people of age.

830
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the ogs be more the willing

831
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 5: to take on that conversation as well.

832
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 15: One crazy idea out there, and don't don't judge me

833
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 15: for it, because I'm sure there was no funny business.

834
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 15: But like when you're Gary, right, do we think but

835
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 15: they don't live together? How many ladies at the market

836
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 15: are giving Gary the wing?

837
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying?

838
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 15: Like that would be like he might be like, Okay,

839
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 15: I've got a lot of ladies flirting.

840
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: Oh, Triska's got information.

841
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna reveal my source. But no,

842
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 4: it's not a source, but the person who made this comment.

843
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna reveal, but they said, I wander with

844
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: all of the all of the hubbub and the hype,

845
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 4: and he's all over the place like in the media.

846
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 4: I'm sure there are women out there. I mean, please,

847
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: when I when we were done, people were sending Ryan.

848
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: And this was of course back in the day when

849
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: there was like real mail that you went to the

850
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: post office for, but people would put together like little

851
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: care packages and send them to Ryan and be like, so,

852
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: if things don't work out with Trista, here's my number.

853
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 15: Right, I bet you like at the I don't know

854
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 15: where they go the I.

855
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 7: They go to dams.

856
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure they go ram.

857
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: Into deep ram oh the graam.

858
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 15: Wow, they're deep sliding into the the geriatric dms.

859
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: That was not geriatric gms. That was not my thought.

860
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: But I was like, oh, okay, I mean I can

861
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: see they get a lot of attention after the show.

862
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 4: Anyone who's on the show usually get a lot of attention.

863
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: And I'm sure there was there were people sliding into

864
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: his dams, whether he took advantage of it or not.

865
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 9: Well, and Kats and.

866
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 15: Susan make really good points when they say at their age.

867
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 7: Those men like fifty year old women.

868
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 15: So it is really hard to be a seventy something

869
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 15: woman because you're like, where are the ninety year old

870
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 15: hanging out?

871
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Right?

872
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 7: Year old dudes?

873
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 2: Ye, old ladies, isn't that just what happened with every

874
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: age group?

875
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 15: My mom would be like a hot catch for a

876
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 15: ninety one year old, like you.

877
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: Know, okay, all right, well let's get Bachelor data in

878
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 2: on here.

879
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 15: I want her to day someone is never going on

880
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 15: that show because I don't want We're so protective of

881
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 15: a grandma.

882
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: You're like, no, but anyway, keep seeing you. Bye, guys,

883
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: so good, say thank you.

884
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 15: Great coverage, actutely, great job, keep it keep it going,

885
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 15: great coverage.

886
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 13: Awesome coverage, almost in miss listeners.

887
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: We are now joined by our fan on our panel today.

888
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: Her name is Natalie. Natalie, I heard that you have

889
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: like lots of salacious thoughts on this, like you are

890
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: not holding back.

891
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 17: Well yeah, I mean so, I have watched many seasons

892
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 17: of the Bachelor, almost almost all of them, and all

893
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 17: the Bachelor of Paradise and all the things, and I

894
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 17: think this was a great season and I loved it.

895
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 17: I fell in love with with Gary like everyone else did,

896
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 17: and I was not not I wasn't surprised and then

897
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 17: not surprised to hear this news. Basically just uh, I

898
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 17: didn't love you know, I just I didn't love her.

899
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 17: I don't think I don't know that you guys loved

900
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 17: her either, Ashley and Ben.

901
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean based podcast, I will admit I was absolutely

902
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: shocked when he picked her. I was even I was

903
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: shocked on finale day. I wasn't even spoiled. It was

904
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: at the Bachelor Mansion filming listen, you know, recording our

905
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: podcast live from the finale that I found out and

906
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: I was like what, But over time, if I had

907
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: to choose a favor in this relationship, I would have

908
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: chosen Teresa because that are that came out about him.

909
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: It just rubbed me the wrong way and I couldn't

910
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: shake it. I feel like there's something a little off there,

911
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: but there might be a little something off on both ends.

912
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: I like feel really bad saying I don't fully trust him.

913
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: It's just overly chummy, a little bit of acting, a

914
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: little bit too goody two shoes.

915
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 17: I don't know right Well, she came out of the

916
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 17: limo like naked, right, I mean basically, oh Theresa, Yeah, sorry,

917
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 17: I mean she she came to play. You know, she

918
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 17: was definitely you know, which I more power to her.

919
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 17: I just I feel like she over maybe overlooked a

920
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 17: lot of things that maybe she saw that you know,

921
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 17: she wasn't willing to see about Gary because she wanted

922
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 17: to kind of she wanted to end up with him

923
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 17: and she at all costs. And so my theory is

924
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 17: just that they got home and like, you know, based

925
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 17: on Ben said something on one of your recent podcasts

926
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 17: where it was like you get home and you know,

927
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 17: it's like your look at this person, like this is

928
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 17: Joe Schmoe. He's nobody special or famous. He's just a

929
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 17: guy who's like, you know, whatever job it is that

930
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 17: he had, which we don't really know because it wasn't

931
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 17: that was sort of yeah, maybe issue he didn't really

932
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 17: he wasn't really bringing you know, he wasn't the bread winner,

933
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 17: and so maybe she was kind of like, I don't

934
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 17: want to take care of this guy forever. And you know,

935
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 17: this is this is reality. So the fact that they

936
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 17: got divorced after three months, everyone is so shocked, but

937
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 17: the reality is like that doesn't change the Based on

938
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 17: your age, getting home and sort of realizing whose person

939
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 17: is is sort of what happens. I think a lot

940
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 17: right with these situations, But I don't know just the

941
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 17: fact that she was so so googly eyed over him

942
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 17: the entire time it was to me. I think she

943
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 17: probably just didn't she like overlooked a lot of things

944
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 17: that maybe were issues, and maybe on his side too,

945
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 17: because they were so kind of physically attached to I

946
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 17: think are we.

947
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: Also still weirded out thinking about that Fantasy Suite episode

948
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: and how he went into the Fantasy Suite told Leslie

949
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: obviously he was going to choose her, then somehow goes

950
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: into the phantasy to steet with Teresa after having kind

951
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: of honestly an awkwardish date and then comes out being like, no,

952
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: it's her, So what the heck happened? I don't know

953
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 2: whether there was physical I don't know whether they had

954
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: like conversations about finances or who knows what the heck

955
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: that changed something so dramatic like they show us.

956
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 17: I mean I thought about this too, like the whole

957
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 17: location thing. They don't show that very much on The Bachelor,

958
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 17: Like do do they have a lot of conversations behind scenes?

959
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 17: Like does The Bachelor with their you know, contestants, like

960
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 17: about where they live, because that's got to be a

961
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 17: huge thing of what they who they choose to be with,

962
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 17: Like is it it's somebody that you know lives in

963
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 17: LA and you're stuck in your for your career, Like

964
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 17: are you going to choose that person? And they didn't

965
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 17: show them really, I mean they had the conversation after

966
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 17: I guess, but I don't know. It's just interesting that

967
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 17: they don't. They don't show those scenes of The Bachelor

968
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 17: really talking to their contestants about that, like about where

969
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 17: they live.

970
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think I can't speak on it

971
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: because I was never in a series and a relationship

972
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: on the show to like get to that conversation. But

973
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: I do feel like it is something that is talked about,

974
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: especially once you get down to the final three. I

975
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: wish Ben, we're here to answer that question. Okay, Natalie,

976
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: I got a question about marriage for you and maybe

977
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: maybe you know it, maybe you don't. Could this have

978
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: been annulled? You think? And like, what what is the

979
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 2: criteria for an annulment over a divorce after three months?

980
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 17: Well, isn't annulment? Isn't it? Like isn't it a shorter

981
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 17: time period, like it has to be within a sort.

982
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: No, because like, if I remember my pop culture correctly,

983
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: Kenny Chesney and Renee Zellwegger they got an annulment after

984
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: five months of marriage.

985
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 17: Well, I'm guessing it has it's financial because she's like

986
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 17: a financial planner, right. She was like, it seemed like

987
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 17: she had her books in a row, and I'm sure

988
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 17: she had the premium.

989
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 5: I had the prenup.

990
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: They did say on Good Morning America there was a prenup.

991
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 17: So maybe that was why, like either to have access

992
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 17: to her money or something if they didn't get fully

993
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 17: divorced or something. I don't know. Yeah, okay, I do

994
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 17: think that was I mean that was when it came

995
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 17: out that he, you know, wasn't kind of you know,

996
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 17: making a lot of money and she kind of had

997
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 17: it together. That also made sense for why they ended

998
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 17: up together.

999
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: That's right. I thought that.

1000
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 5: I was.

1001
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: I thought that maybe that enticed him more.

1002
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 17: Right, Oh, I think for sure it did. I mean, yeah,

1003
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 17: I think and then she probably was like, look, I

1004
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 17: was just talking to Frint about this, but like when

1005
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 17: you get older, yeah, you want to take care of people,

1006
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 17: but you don't want to work forever, especially you know,

1007
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 17: if you're in your seventies. You're like, maybe she was like, look,

1008
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 17: I don't want to take care of that. Maybe she

1009
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 17: thought she could or she wanted to, but that's gets

1010
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 17: older after a while.

1011
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: You know, something somebody got the ick. Okay, somebody. I

1012
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: think that maybe both of them did.

1013
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 17: Yeah, because why were they so content in that interview?

1014
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 17: I mean it really was like I just watched it again,

1015
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 17: you know, before this, and I mean they were really

1016
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 17: I mean, I only just holding hands.

1017
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: But it's just too much. It seemed like over the

1018
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: top for me to show that much affection when announcing

1019
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: in a divorce. Yeah, that's what made it. It's been

1020
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: phony in acting. And I'm like, oh, okay, so you

1021
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: guys been phony in acting the entire time, or at

1022
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: least for quite some month months now.

1023
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 17: I think there were just issues that they don't want

1024
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 17: to talk about. Like but in the beginning of the interview,

1025
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 17: he was sort of like, yeah, we had several conversations

1026
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 17: about you know, living arrangements and other things. So it's

1027
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 17: clear that they talked. You know, I think it just

1028
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 17: had it was about probably just compatibility and like living

1029
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 17: with a person day to day and their habits and like,

1030
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 17: how do you know any of that before you know

1031
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 17: it just or maybe arguments or disagreements or you know.

1032
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 17: A friend of mine saw them out in la and

1033
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 17: said she was very this was only like a few

1034
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 17: weeks ago. She was holding on really tight to him

1035
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 17: and sort of deer in headlights, and he was talking

1036
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 17: to everybody kind of more friendly, and so you're like,

1037
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 17: just they're so, I'm sure there's tons of things that

1038
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 17: we just don't know. But they did a good job

1039
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 17: of like you know, keeping it together for that. But

1040
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 17: which surprised me about her too, because she was so

1041
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 17: like in love with him, you know the whole time.

1042
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 17: To see her not upset really was like that told

1043
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 17: me that maybe it was her decision.

1044
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: Well, we know that if this means anything, he was

1045
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: the one to file in Indiana today for divorce. He

1046
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: was the initiator. I don't know if that means anything.

1047
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: I also wonder why they didn't pull a Marcus in

1048
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: Lacey and not even sign paperwork, just make it a

1049
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: televised event and wedding and like not actually be legally married.

1050
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: If I were them, I probably would have. I mean

1051
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have gotten married. But if I did get married,

1052
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: I would have been like, all right, well, let's not

1053
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: actually make this official yet.

1054
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 17: I think they were just in this like whirlwind, like

1055
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 17: why wouldn't you get married? And also you're in your seventies,

1056
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 17: like we're what you know, and plus it's going to

1057
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 17: be paid for, like you know, like what, let's just

1058
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 17: go for it, you know. And then I don't know,

1059
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 17: the issues became too much. I mean, I think it's

1060
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 17: yeah that that can happen too. I mean, they just

1061
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 17: think it's so easy to look at this couple on

1062
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 17: TV and the Golden Bachelor, and you know, it's like

1063
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 17: they're so oh, they're so in love and we just

1064
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 17: don't see all the cracks and all the things, you know.

1065
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 17: And it doesn't mean that they weren't in love or

1066
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 17: they tried like a lot of people do, but you know,

1067
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 17: and that they won't end up halfway ever after like

1068
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 17: you did and like bended and you know, but I

1069
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 17: think it, yeah, there, it's definitely an interesting, you know situation.

1070
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: My last question for you is what do you think

1071
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: Leslie is thinking today?

1072
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 17: I Mean, I think she's probably secretly like a little

1073
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 17: bit for sure. I think we all thought he was

1074
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 17: going to pick her. I mean, I definitely did, but

1075
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 17: she was young, and like, I just think he was

1076
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 17: focused more on someone who can take care of him.

1077
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 17: That's my theory, and maybe she couldn't do that.

1078
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: So but I bet you yeah.

1079
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 17: I mean, I'm sure she's sad for them, but ultimately

1080
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 17: I would think as the runner up, you're kind of like,

1081
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 17: you know, a little bit of you.

1082
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: Well, thank you Natalie so much for joining us and

1083
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: giving us. Thank you your thoughts, your honest thoughts. All right,

1084
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: we could not wrap this podcast up without having Bachelor data.

1085
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 2: Susannah Summers not to be confused with the season, Summers, because

1086
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: she's got to break down the shortest bachelor marriage. Susannah,

1087
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: why do you think that the Golden Bachelor has the

1088
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: shortest marriage, the one with the people that have apparently

1089
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 2: the most relationship experience and experience knowing?

1090
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 5: Oh?

1091
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 18: Man, I you know, I had not to be pessimistic here,

1092
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 18: but I did have some concerns about Golden Bachelor when

1093
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 18: they first announced it, mainly because the Bachelor franchise casts

1094
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 18: from around the US. It's not like love is blind

1095
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 18: or married at first sight, where they cast in the

1096
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 18: same like city or region, which isn't so much of

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Speaker 18: a problem for younger people for The Bachelor and the Bachelorette,

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Speaker 18: But when you think of Golden Bachelor, these are people

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Speaker 18: in their golden years who already have families, grandchildren, and

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00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 18: they've most of them have settled down near them. So

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Speaker 18: I actually had quite a few concerns before the show

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00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 18: even aired about like, logistically, how are older people going

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00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 18: to uproot their lives across the country, Like, it's just

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Speaker 18: much harder at that age than it is in your

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00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 18: younger years. So it did feel very rushed that they

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00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 18: got married before they even moved in together or moved

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00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 18: near each other. The timing of this all, the thing

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00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 18: that makes me scratch my head the most, is five

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00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 18: days ago they were filming Celebrity Family Feud.

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Speaker 2: And it will air in like a month or something.

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00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, they have obviously decided already on divorce and

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Speaker 2: they were separated by the time of this filming, which

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00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: just confirms to me that the franchise was going to

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Speaker 2: try to hide this separation as long as possible.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it definitely feels like that, and I mean, I

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00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 18: get it. It was the most successful spin off show

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00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 18: that they've ever had. If you look at Bachelor and Paradise,

1118
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 18: so many people who watch this show don't realize that

1119
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 18: Bachelor and Paradise actually has lower ratings every year than

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00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 18: Bachelor and Bachelorette. So the fact that a spinoff show performed,

1121
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 18: it outperformed every single show last year, this year, and

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00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 18: multiple years going back, you know, it makes sense that

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Speaker 18: ABC is going to milk it for all of its

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Speaker 18: all its worth. But I think a lot of people

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Speaker 18: weren't expecting a divorce this quickly three months after away.

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Speaker 2: For sure. And what's interesting is that while Bachelor in

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00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: Paradise has the lowest amount of viewers, it has the

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Speaker 2: greatest percentages of couples that are still together.

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Speaker 18: Right, Yes, So when it comes to success rates on

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00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 18: the show, there's a few different ways to slice and

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00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 18: dice it, and I like to give a few disclaimers first.

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00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 18: So it depends on what you define as success, because

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Speaker 18: a lot of people just think of who is currently

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00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 18: together in this day and time, and people forget Ashley

1135
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 18: and Jpe from The Bachelorette. They were together for almost

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 18: ten years and had two kids, Rachel and Brian. They

1137
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 18: were together for almost seven years. We had Caitlin and

1138
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 18: Seawan that were together for over three years. And also,

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00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 18: if we go much further back to those early years

1140
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 18: on The Bachelor, we had Byron I didn't watch that season,

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00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 18: and Mary they were together for over five years. Charlie

1142
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 18: and Sarah they were together for four years. So a

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00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 18: lot of people they discount those relationships, but relationships over

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00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 18: two three years long, those are pretty successful in my book.

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00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 18: But if we're talking of just who's currently together on

1146
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 18: a Bachelorette, eighteen percent of bachelorettes are still together. So

1147
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 18: we've had twenty seasons with twenty two different bachelorettes, so

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Speaker 18: it's eighteen percent. If we include those longer relationships, it

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00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 18: goes up to thirty six percent. But now if you

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00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 18: look at Bachelor, we've had twenty eight seasons, twenty nine

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Speaker 18: with Gary uh six are still together, so that's twenty

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00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 18: point seven percent, So that's higher than the eighteen percent

1153
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 18: that we've seen for Bachelorette. If we include those longer relationships,

1154
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 18: it goes up to twenty eight percent. And then, oh,

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00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 18: as far as divorces, Bachelorette has seen two divorces, The

1156
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 18: Bachelor has not seen any divorces, just Golden and Bachelor

1157
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 18: and then Bachelor and Paradise.

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Speaker 9: This is where we see the higher success rates.

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Speaker 18: So couples that are still together on Bachelor in Paradise

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Speaker 18: it's twenty nine point seven percent.

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Speaker 2: So that means couples who like I know that Jared

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00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: and I are included in that, and so are couples

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00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: like uh Asterrod and Kevin and Raven and Adam, couples

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00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: who got together eventually but didn't leave the show engaged

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00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: Becka Thomas actually a huge chunk of them, Abigaila and Noah.

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Speaker 18: I could keep going, yeah, you know, And that's the

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 18: thing I credit that those couples are together. And same

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00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 18: thing for The Bachelor because a lot of people don't

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Speaker 18: like to include Ari and Lauren as a success number this.

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Speaker 2: It would be the same thing as Jason Molly.

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Speaker 9: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 18: But if you think about it, that relationship would have

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Speaker 18: never happened without the show.

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Speaker 9: So if you want to talk about leads that are

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Speaker 9: still with.

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Speaker 18: The final book person, that's a different stat So, like

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Speaker 18: I said, there's so many different ways to slice and

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Speaker 18: dice this, and people love to cherry pick on like

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Speaker 18: who they want to include, So I like to include

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Speaker 18: all of these numbers, but couples that are still currently

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Speaker 18: together from Bachelor in Paradise, it's eleven couples out of

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Speaker 18: thirty seven, so that's that twenty nine point seven percent.

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00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 18: But we've had three divorces from Bachelor in Paradise. So

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Speaker 18: we had Carly and Evan, they were together for five years,

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00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 18: had a kid, two kids, one kid, two kids, Chris

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00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 18: and Crystal that was a shorter relationship though they were

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Speaker 18: together for one point six years. And then Lacey and

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00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 18: Marcus from season one, but this one's debatable. So they

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00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 18: had a televised wedding, they flew them down to Mexico,

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 18: had their wedding there, but they actually never legally got married.

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00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 18: But they were together for two years. So if we

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Speaker 18: include those divorces, it goes up to thirty eight percent

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Speaker 18: of success rates. And then also Brendan and Piper were

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Speaker 18: together for two years after the show, so that then

1195
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Speaker 18: boosts it up to forty percent. So it's again, however

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Speaker 18: you want to slice and dice it. The show, it's

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Speaker 18: actually pretty successful. And it's around this time that we

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Speaker 18: hear like Golden Bachelor's getting a divorce that there's so

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Speaker 18: much clickbait out there where people are like this show,

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 18: Oh is horrible, it doesn't work, blah blah blah, cancel

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00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 18: the show.

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Speaker 9: And it's like, the success rates are actually pretty good.

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Speaker 18: I know, back in my day when I was single,

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Speaker 18: if I had had a twenty percent success rate on

1205
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 18: Tender and Bumble was swiping and finding good men, like,

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Speaker 18: that's a great success rate. And I know it's only

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Speaker 18: gotten worse in the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: And the Bachelor numbers, I feel like have gotten better

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Speaker 2: in the past ten years.

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Speaker 18: Yes, So the really interesting stat that I found. So

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Speaker 18: rumors started to kind of circulate a few days ago

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Speaker 18: about this potential divorce dropping. So I started digging into

1213
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Speaker 18: the numbers post pandemic success rates. And here's where I

1214
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 18: have a lot of opinions, which I never give opinions

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Speaker 18: on my account.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you for a couple more opinions

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Speaker 2: after this and tell us your opinion here.

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Speaker 9: Okay, So post pandemic.

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Speaker 18: So when the world shut down, it was the they

1220
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Speaker 18: literally shut down filming. I think it was like two

1221
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 18: days after the NBA shutdown was Claire's season was.

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Speaker 9: Supposed to film.

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Speaker 18: So ever since the world shutdown and we came back

1224
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 18: for Clarantatia's season. We have had four bachelors five if

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Speaker 18: you include Golden Okay, and then we've had seven bachelorettes,

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Speaker 18: which is insane because we had Clarontatia for season sixteen,

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Speaker 18: and then the next year we had Katie and Michelle

1228
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 18: had two seasons, and then we had in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 18: Gabby and Rachel shared a season.

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Speaker 9: So we've had a lot of bachelorettes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bachelor not a success with the bachelorettes, interestingly, no,

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Speaker 2: but the.

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Speaker 9: Bachelor, three of the four are still together.

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Speaker 18: So we had Matt and Rachel they're still together, Clayton

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 18: didn't work out, Zach and Katy are still together, and

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Speaker 18: Joey and Kelsey, you know, their season just in it.

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Speaker 9: So that's a really good success rate.

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Speaker 18: And the craziest part is pre pandemic, the Bachelorette was

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Speaker 18: the most successful franchise.

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Speaker 9: And it was the running joke.

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01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 18: It was like, of course, so much better at picking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I notice on your stats today that that switched over.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, so here's here's the variable because I dug into

1244
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 18: it because for so long, pre pandemic, it was always

1245
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 18: Bachelorette was more successful. And on top of that, Bachelorette's

1246
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 18: almost like their rate of choosing their first impression rose

1247
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 18: as their finalist was super high.

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 9: So it was very much this like women just know

1249
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 9: how to choose better. I remember, here's what's changed.

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01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 18: So before the pandemic, the Bachelor and the Bachelorette was

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01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 18: ten weeks of filming. A week on this show is

1252
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 18: the dates plus the rose ceremony.

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01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 9: I count that as a week.

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01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 18: It's actually like sometimes it's four days, sometimes it's six days,

1255
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 18: depending on traveling, but it's ten weeks of dates plus

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01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 18: rose ceremonies. Okay seven before hometowns and they have hometowns

1257
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 18: overnights and they you meet the family. The Bachelor structure

1258
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 18: has not changed. It has continued to be ten weeks

1259
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 18: every single season, but the Bachelorette has changed. So Claire

1260
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 18: obviously she ended her season after like a week and

1261
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 18: a half and she was like, peace out, I'm going

1262
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 18: with Dale. So Taysha's naturally was shorter.

1263
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Speaker 9: That made sense.

1264
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 18: Then when a time when it came time for Katie

1265
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 18: and Michelle season, those were eight and nine weeks, and

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Speaker 18: then Gabby and Rachel. Even though they were sharing a

1267
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 18: group of men and getting less dates than leads normally get.

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01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 9: They only got nine weeks and then Charity had eight weeks.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, Okay, well that could be a reason for that.

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01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: Now for Gary and Theresa, we know that their season

1271
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: was actually the shortest of all seasons ever for a

1272
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: lead show, and they only had I wanted to say

1273
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: that they had four to six weeks of filming instead

1274
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: of the standard, as you said, eight to ten. Yeah,

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01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: all right, Well, who knows what contributed to this split,

1276
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: but Bachelor Data, we are just really happy that you came,

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01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: gave us your insight, and we hope to have you

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: back soon.

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01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 9: Thanks for having me.

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: Well that's all we have. That was a lot on

1281
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: the Golden divorce. Hopefully we have some more gossip coming up.

1282
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: Some more of these Golden ladies will talk and we'll

1283
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 2: find out more about what went wrong between Teresa and Gary.

1284
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry I'm trying to sound silatious about this,

1285
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: but I think it's more salacious than distance. Thank you

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: guys for joining me. We love you all and until

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01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: next time, I have been Ashley.

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01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,760
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