WEBVTT - Supercharged Growth with Maren Morris 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.080 Hi, Catherine, greetings from Portugal. 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:04.360 Hi, how are you? 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.520 Hi? Am good, how are you doing. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:08.240 I'm doing fantastic. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.360 I am just taking the day off of work today, 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.080 actually after this, so it's for this. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.480 I just drove two and a half hours with my cousin, 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:21.480 her lover and their daughter who had diarrhea. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.720 On the side of the road by a free We 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.919 took us about forty seven minutes to get all of 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:27.080 our luggage in the trunk. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.120 My tour European tour officially ended last night. I did 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.560 my last show in Libs. In Libs in Lisbon, I 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.320 developed the lisp. I had my last show in lis 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.560 Boa is liz Boa. That's how they say it there, 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.360 liz Boa in Lisbon. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.280 And I was very tipsy on stage last night because 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:46.640 we were celebrating all day. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:47.440 We were walking. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.640 We'd stop and we got Moscow mules, and then we 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.839 had sang Gria, and then by the time we got 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.200 to the show, things are the reals. The wheels really 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.639 came off. So it was a perfect way to end 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.680 my tour. We had the best time and the audiences 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.040 in Europe. I'm so appreciative of everybody who came out. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.959 It was such a fucking blast. And I've never walked 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.040 so much in my life. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.280 And did you think that you'd be going on tour 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.000 with a toddler? 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.120 I mean, was that I did not? She wanted she 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:14.679 had to come on stage last night too. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:16.600 She always wants to come on stage, and so we 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.399 told her if she came on stage and said you're 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.679 a fucking bitch, that she could come on stage. But 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.600 so she was practicing backstage, but then she wouldn't do 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.760 it when she got on stage, which is probably for 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:26.199 the best. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.400 Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:29.640 But she loves it. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.039 She loves She's like every night when she goes to sleep, 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.440 she's like, is there a show tonight? Can I go 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.080 on stage? She They joined us like halfway through the tour. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.440 So yeah, it was pretty it was pretty funny. I'm 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.640 just so glad I don't have children. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:45.000 Do you know what I mean? 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.040 Yes, you get like little bites, you know, little taste. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.760 Amount of times I mean, the patience that's required, the 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:55.360 amount of times you hear the word mommy. In one hour, 0:01:55.720 --> 0:02:00.360 it's like nine hundred times mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy. I'm like, 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.120 oh my god, oh my god, I can't believe I 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.160 understand why people lose their fucking shit. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.960 Yeah, and also like daddy's there too, so it could 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.239 be daddy daddy too, but nope, it's always Mommy. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:16.280 It's always Yeah, she's even. She's like her my niece 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.800 is like in a relationship with her father. They're like 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:19.840 they're like a couple. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.080 And then Molly comes in and like sports every Molly 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.120 comes in and just shames everybody about everything. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.560 Everyone got sick at some point except for me. Luckily, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.799 knock on my gun. That was good. The two of 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:31.480 them were very. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.040 Hungover this morning, and I was at the gym like 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.400 I always am. She's like, wow, you really are an alcoholic. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.880 She's like, you can survive anything. I'm like, you just 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.799 need to shoot up what I'm shooting up? Okay, I 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.560 take all these peptides I'm taking because I can handle 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:43.400 almost anything. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.239 Yes, So do you get to have a little vacation now? 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:47.080 Yes? 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:48.240 Now I'm in Portugal. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.280 I'm at my friend's fiftieth birthday weekend. So I'm here 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.480 for about four or five days. And I've never been 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.760 here before. The all Golf Coast. I've been a Portugal 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.400 a bunch, but never here, so we'll see what happens. 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.959 I mean, any possible anything. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:01.800 It's great. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.040 Get you have earned it. It's time for some time 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:04.760 off and you. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.600 Get to just hill a little bit. Thank you, thank you, 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.120 thank you. Okay, So who do we have coming up today? 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.520 Well, today we have the lovely Maren Morris, who has 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.279 a new album called Dreamsickle. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:15.240 Yes. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.200 I love Mary Morris and I bumped into her on 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.440 a television show. So this is perfect timing that we 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.639 had her on I like and when she said fuck 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:26.680 you to country music for to not being accepting or 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.360 for well, there was a bevy of reasons, but it 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.799 was basically directed at their sexism, misogyny and you know, homophobia. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:34.440 Yeah. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.680 No, she is cute, she's smart, she is fun, she 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:40.120 knows her mind. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.160 She was a great guest, So okay, bring her on. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:48.680 Welcome to Morris. Everybody is hi, Marin. I'm happy to 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.120 see you. I'm good. How are you doing? 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:51.960 Long time? 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:52.120 No? 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.280 See, well we just ran into each other at one 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.920 of those shows. I don't want to say the wrong 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.160 one though, So I'm scared. Is it access Hollywood or 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.440 is it to I think I access Hollywood? I mean 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.240 I should know because I know the girls there as 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.640 whenever I roam through there, so I don't want to 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.720 insult them by saying the wrong show. So if I 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.360 do whatever, it's on me, Maarn, It's all on me, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:14.760 you know what. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:15.400 It was fun. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.159 I was so happy to see you because I met 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.400 you years and years ago, as we discussed, when Maren 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.080 was opening for Keith Urban and I was doing my 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.400 Netflix show, so that was probably like almost ten years ago. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.320 I interviewed you on a tour bus. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:34.000 Yeah, and you were a little baby and you didn't 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.360 have a baby yet, and now you have a baby 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.200 and you're not a baby anymore. But what I really 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.520 have respected about you is how outspoken you are. It 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.360 really is amazing to see when you said basically fuck 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.200 you to country music. And I know you weren't saying 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.200 fuck you to country music, but you were saying fuck 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.080 you to really the industry of country music. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:54.080 Yeah. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.800 I think mostly just like the pillars of establishment, where 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:05.600 it's these pockets of like MAGA infiltration since twenty sixteen, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.479 which is truly like when I guess we met, it's 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.359 just taken the a nose dives and it's not everyone 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.080 in that world like there's tons of people. I live 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.720 in Nashville, so I mean, I haven't like become an 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.159 expat of every facet of this. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:22.880 I love living here, but yeah, I. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.200 Mean it's certainly just tough to sort of want to 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.200 make music you love and then deliver it to a 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.000 space that feels safe and inclusive and you know, celebratory. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.560 So I think I just had to sort of go 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.880 back to the drying board and figure out like what 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.279 I truly wanted to do. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.720 And how did you come to that decision? 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.719 Was that just your own Like did you have to 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.760 discuss this with anybody in your life before you were 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.760 public about it? Or is this something that you just 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.440 felt so passionately about that you had to say something. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.560 I mean, I think it was becoming more galvanized, as 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.960 you know, the pandemic was stretching on, and we were 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.040 just trying to figure out how to tour again and 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.240 a safe way. And I think it just really like 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.359 opened up a lot of blind spots of like people 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.520 I worked with and just the community here and most 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.400 of it is so like supportive and loving, but I 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.560 did I did have to kind of figure out, like 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.400 what do I want to do going forward? Musically, which 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.440 you know, I think I've always been a blurred genre 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.520 line kind of artist because I'm just more about like 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.760 the songwriting element and like it comes out how it 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.960 comes out. But yeah, I think just making some like 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.800 intentional decisions on where I like send this music to. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.960 And you know, the thing is is like I'm always 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:48.200 going to. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.159 Love country music. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:54.039 It's so tied into my DNA of how I listen 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.160 to music, how I write music. It's all through this 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.680 like portal of like the Nashville way of right songs, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.080 co writing, lyrical structure, the like abab of it all. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.200 That's I can't like, I don't want to get rid 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.960 of that part of myself. I love country music's honesty 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.400 and like telling real people's stories. But I always go 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.400 back to this interview in like the late eighties of 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:23.640 the Highwaymen. So it's like Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Christofferson 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.640 Waylan and they're all talking about like funding public education 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.800 over you know, excessive military spending, and you know, just 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.160 giving back to the poor and the elderly, like these 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.680 icons these outlaws, which a lot of these people will 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.480 wear on a T shirt like they don't remember what 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.400 these dudes were fucking talking about. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:46.800 From day one. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.400 And that's country music to me, which is like writing 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.240 for the oppressed and writing about those stories. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.800 Yeah, I feel like that's analogous to like how I 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.080 feel about America, you know what I mean, Like the 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.960 integrity with which it was founded or with the ideals 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.560 of what it was always meant to become is probably 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.400 you can say the same about country music, Like nobody's 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:12.280 nothing is founded on hate and bigotry and exclusivity. Things 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:17.440 are founded on love and spreading joy and messaging and inclusivity. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.360 And yet somehow we get miired, you know. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.800 Like industries can get miired in this way of thinking 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.520 and then they can become dominated by that. And like 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.400 that's how it feels like in our country. Even though 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.440 I don't feel like we're being dominated by hate, there's 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.160 enough out there that it feels that way. I always 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.040 want to err on the side of love and believe 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.160 that there are more good than there are bad people. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.520 So I'm just going to choose to continue to think 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.079 that way for the time being. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.040 Yeah, I mean, I think I will always have this 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:49.960 like intrinsic hope and ambition that I mean, humankind is 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.840 truly just wanting to feel listened to and connected to 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.280 one another. I think, yeah, when other like ulterior motives 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.320 get cropped in, it's just I mean, music and the 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.760 arts are a mirror of society. And so when I 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.560 saw what was going on within the establishment of like 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.680 mainstream country music, not so much like Outlaw or Americana, 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.680 it was like a lot of these rich guys caused 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.719 playing as cowboys with like six thousand dollars ya sell 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.240 boots that have never touched dirt. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.240 It's like, what's the saying where it's like those boys are. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.320 All hat and no cattle. That's like, that's kind of 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.320 what was happening. And I mean, like it's just interesting 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:38.600 because I feel like at the end of the day, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.440 we're all just trying to like live and let live. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:47.160 And I think there's a nationalistic element to America and 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.680 parts of country music where it's like this is ours, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.000 not theirs, and that's just not a vibe I want 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.640 to be a part of. I want to be like inclusive, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.160 and that only makes for better music also when you 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.160 invite inclusivity and diversity into it. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.000 Because some of my. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:09.520 Favorite collaborations over like the decades have been those out 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.640 of left fields duets, like when Willie and rach Charles 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.680 did their collap together, it was just like so refreshing 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.440 and it just opened up for better music to come 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.079 in and Russian and so I think the same with 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.120 like love. It's like you have to scare yourself and 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.000 be uncomfortable and hear someone else's point of view or 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.839 walk of life in order to expand as a human. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.880 And you know, writing is just like my extension of that. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.280 But yeah, anyways, this is getting very very existential. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.600 Well, but it's about who cares a shit. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.559 I mean, that is beautiful, Like we all want to 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.920 grow in love and expand, but some people it's like 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:49.920 the people that are limited and the people that are 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.199 closed off are not thinking that way. They're thinking about 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.880 it's a narrow way of thinking. And when you go 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.920 through different enough difficult stuff and you're a smart person, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.000 you eventually understand and maybe not eventually, maybe right away 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.320 the benefits of expansion and the benefits of growing and 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.200 open mindedness and actually going towards something that you think 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.400 you might fear and learning from it. You have a 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.760 huge new album called Dreamsicle. She's going on tour everybody. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.280 She's going on to the US, Europe, UK, everywhere. Tickets 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.320 are available at Marenmorris dot com. The tour begins July twelfth. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.040 So I've listened to part of this in the in 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:25.920 the gym this morning. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.400 It's really beautiful. It's very soulful. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.360 I mean, it's I don't even know how I would 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.240 describe it in one word because it's there's a lot 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.040 of different stuff in there. But I'm really just blown 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.960 away at a And I think this is demonstrative of 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:41.599 what so many women experience. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.280 You came out of a marriage, you came out. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.240 Of you know, quote unquote country music, and you had 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.800 a huge growth spurt from what I can tell. Can 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.160 you talk a little bit about that. You also had 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.680 a baby, so I mean that'll do it. Yeah. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.360 I think just literally everything that could change in your 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.240 life happen and in like five years for me, and 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.760 you know, it was a slow burn of events like unfolding, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.079 and I I think I was just hoping and waiting 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.680 that someone would reach into my life and tell me 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.200 how to fix everything. And when you realize on some 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.840 of those like more isolated nights of just like not 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.720 being able to sleep and because you just your body 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.720 is in fight or flight almost. I think I just 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.280 had to buck up and be like, no, bitch, it's you, 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.800 Like you're the one that has to make that decision 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.800 and figure out like where you go from here. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.080 It's not going to be anyone else. Like I mean, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:39.959 I think you go into. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.040 This like inner child mode of like how do I 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.080 get out of this? Like who can help me? Like 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.440 my mom or my dad? But I think, yeah, I 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:53.040 just I realized I was expanding and growing at a 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:58.800 really fast pace. I think from twenty twenty on, and 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.080 yes you could you could throw motherhood and the postpartum 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.760 thing learning about myself not being able to work in 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.760 that moment. There were a lot of like identity crises 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.760 going on. But I realized, like I can't look back 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:18.319 and slow down for people anymore. I want to set 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.760 my own pace and I will sacrifice my comfort and 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:28.240 like loneliness or feeling not lonely to move at the 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.440 pace that I have worked really hard to move at. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.880 And I think it's not like a fun decision. It's 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.120 not a fun aftermath or fall out of a decision 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.440 like that. But I think now that I'm a little 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.520 bit more on the other side of it, I do 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.600 feel like no part of me ever wakes up at 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.040 three in the morning and it's like I've made a 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.400 huge mistake. Like I feel like I sleep better because 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.720 my body can finally relax and knows that it made 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.319 the tough but right decision. It's hard to know what 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:03.520 day occurred that it all started to shift, but maybe circumstantially, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.079 it doesn't to me feel like, oh, let's throw the 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.600 baby out with the bathwater, like and change everything about 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.440 my life. It just happened organically to have, you know, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.959 all occur at once. But yeah, personal life, professional, all 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.960 the shit was just like a tornado. And I was like, 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.160 I swear to God, if I can like white knuckle 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:27.120 myself through this and survive, this is probably the hardest thing, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.800 Like I'll endure and I'll be okay if I get 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:30.440 through this part. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.240 I think it's so interesting that you say that, because 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.840 it's so true, Like I know, through some of my 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.640 difficult moments in life, you are kind of waiting for someone, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.560 Like whether it's your agent or your manager, or your 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.520 sister or your father, you're waiting for somebody to bail 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.480 you out, to come and say I'll take care of you. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.360 And like I've had so many When I was younger, 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.680 I had so many of those like kind of tantr 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.360 me moments like somebody needs to fix this, somebody needs 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.400 to fix this, and it's like there's only so much 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.560 anybody else can do about you and your state of mind, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.080 which is the first ingredient you need is to have 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.240 clarity and to have focus in order to lift yourself 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:12.160 out of anything. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.440 Yeah, I think I was just maintaining a level of 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.840 stress and thinking that because I'm used to this level 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:27.200 of stress, it's comfortable, and the alternative to that is 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.160 so in the dark that it's frightening. And now that 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:36.960 I've removed that sort of perpetual level of holding the 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.440 fucking plates up and spinning them no matter the cost 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.320 to myself and my mental health. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.000 Now that I've removed that, I just see. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.920 How much I was carrying and that was so unnecessary 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.120 and so unfair to me. So yeah, I think, like 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.000 the whole rip the band aid off thing is easier 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.680 said than done. But I do think even if you're 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.240 operating at a level of like just okay or good ish, 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.680 you don't know what great is because you've never allowed 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.640 yourself the space to experience great and I feel like 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.480 now I can. And I'm like, you have to be 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.880 like really okay with your own company, and I am. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.120 I think that was always like the case was, you know, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.120 since I was a kid. I can internalize and go 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.520 and hear, and that's probably why I'm a songwriter. But yeah, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.800 it's just, yeah, extremely daunting to make those choices. But 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.120 you know, I just turned thirty five, and I do 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.440 feel like I'm glad I didn't wait any longer. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.200 It just would have been such a like waste to myself. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.680 Absolutely, And I think there are so many, so many 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.680 of the people that listen to this podcast are always 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.680 calling in about that very question, like how do you 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:52.280 take a leap? 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.440 How do you move in the right direction? Like what 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:55.480 is the first step? 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.160 And I always think it's just take a step in 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.800 that direction, you know, and then the second one will follow. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.560 But you have to intentionally be like, this is the 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.240 first thing I'm going to do to change my life 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.760 and to head into direction that I'm more comfortable with 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.320 and passionate about. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.960 Yeah, and you more people should talk about like even 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.080 the little baby step in the correct direction or whatever 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:23.640 is nauseating it is you are fighting every safety inside 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.000 your body to make those choices, whether it's to leave 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.600 a job or a relationship or severtise with a friend 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.280 or a family, those decisions, at least for me, because 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:39.960 I just feel so much like empathy and I want 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.359 I never want to let people down. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:41.840 People. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.600 Please are it feels like you're going to vomit, Like 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.520 every time you even take the tiniest step to someone else, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.959 Like it's huge to your brain and you're functioning. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.639 How did you deal with any of the backlash you 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.400 got from the country country music industry after you came 0:17:58.440 --> 0:17:59.200 out publicly? 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.479 Came out, No, like against that I came out, got it? Well, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.960 I mean too well that you're right right. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:10.520 Of course that too, but not who cares about that. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.560 About we're all a little gay? 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.000 Yeah, exactly so. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.600 And if we're not gay yet, you will be okay 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.040 by the end of this By the end of this administration, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:18.080 you'll all be gay. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:18.840 Yeah. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.199 Just date one more man, and I promise you you'll be 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:23.640 gay totally. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.520 Somebody tried to I was coming to New York. I'm 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.000 in New York right now, and somebody's like, I have 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.439 this guy I want you to set you up with. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.359 I'm like, I can't even think about men right now. Okay, 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.199 just get away from me. I have no interest in 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.480 a man right now. I have other things to think about. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:40.960 And like, when I get to Europe, I'll be in 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:41.840 a different zone. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.520 Yeah, yeah, maybe it's better, you'll fear better over there. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.240 But I mean, I. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.720 Mean, there's there's backlash with like anything that you do 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.160 that's not normal. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.400 So I think I also, like remember very clearly the 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.360 chicks backlash of like the two thousand and three Bush era, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.440 you know, Iraq war stuff, So like that's like my 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:11.000 touchstone of how an industry can black volume or snuff 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.680 you out or attempt to. And I think, you know, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:19.000 it's slightly better now because of social media and more 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.639 people can be like exposed to what you're saying and 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:22.840 have the context of what. 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.880 You're saying and and. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.720 Just yeah, but I was kind of surprised at like 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.240 how many people reached out to me pately or publicly 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:35.000 in support and just being like the courage that it 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.439 would take to do this or just change up your 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.480 plans this way. And I wasn't really doing it in 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.359