WEBVTT - TGI - EP204 “Me and Mr. Joad” 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.119 So we get a lot of emails, as I have 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.000 mentioned before, and one that came through recently reminded me 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.080 of something we have to circle back to because it's 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.080 something right or mentioned that then we've never gone back to. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.800 And I think it's very important. Christian Are wrote us 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:41.240 to tell us which Ninja Turtle we'd each be okay, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.400 and it reminded me that writer had said there is 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.000 a he knows which Ninja Turtle he is. So I 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.519 wanted to see what with what christian Are said, how 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.680 it matches up with what you guys think. So Christian 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.600 said that Danielle would be Leonardo, that my my host 0:00:55.640 --> 0:01:01.360 abilities show real Leo trade. It's also leadership quality. Writer 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:06.479 would be Donna Tello. He's intelligent and studious, a real brain. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.160 That was always my idea. Will would be Michaelangelo with 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:16.200 his quick sense of humor, and Phoenie would clearly be Splinter. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:23.240 Absolutely all right. I like it. I can I tell you. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.520 As a voice over actor, I've gotten a chance to 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.080 be involved in almost every one of my favorite cartoons 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.720 from the time I was a kid, and I've never 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.280 from the fifty times I've auditioned for them, never gotten 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.920 to play a ninja turtle. It kills me. I've never 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:40.760 used being a ninja turtle on one of them too, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.280 Like I want to say, like eight years ago. God, 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.320 I I don't. It wasn't Donna Tello though, I think 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.680 it was Raphael, which is the one. I don't know, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.480 but I was definitely up for. I went back like 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.160 three or four times. I was like, this would be fun. Yeah, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.320 it's amazing, and it's the one I can't cry. Well, 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.080 there's still time. Well, there's still time. Um. Welcome to 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.680 pon Meet's World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right or Strong, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.000 and I'm Wilfred. I'm glad that our pre show chatter 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.440 was short today because I feel like this recap episode 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.560 we're about to jump into is going to be one 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.520 of our longer recaps. And maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.200 but it is in my notes. It is multiple multiple pages, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.360 and oh my god, I'm so serious. I really liked 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.440 this episode. Allo. Wow, I'm actually really glad to hear that, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:34.760 because this is my least favorite episode any episode I 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.800 have seen so far. And Mr Joy, yes, I would 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.360 not say my least favorite, but it is definitely not. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.160 Several times, I'm so, I'm so glad that you did, 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.760 because I'm dying to hear your perspective, because I'm I 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.880 several times paused the show to go what and then 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.920 like wait, what, what's happening? And then let me just 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.520 recap it out loud and like, am I understanding this correctly? 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.880 And then it led to a really interesting fifteen or 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.079 twenty minute discussion between producer Jensen Carr husband at the 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.280 end of the night about like which just cre now 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:21.400 it depends with him its producer correct Then he's producer 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.560 Jensen Carp And that's that's why it came up this way, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.399 because we were discussing more as producers than than as 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.760 husband wife, and then and then yeah, so anyway, we 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.919 are discussing Season two, Episode four, Me and Mr Joe. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.600 Original air date October four. The synopsis is that Corey 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.560 and Sean learn a lesson about having something to lose 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.880 when trying to stage a student walk out in protest 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.800 of an English literature exam. Also, Eric still has a 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.760 demanding girlfriend. Oh, she's awful and I hate her and 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.240 we'll get into that later. She's a torturous score, she's awful, 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.680 she's awful. But that's why this episode is not very good. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:08.480 I think she's supposed to be awful. That's the like 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.160 I couldn't Yeah, anyway, that's that's what I couldn't stand. 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.920 I was like, what is this? It's a she's awful 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:27.720 like Jason was funny choked choke while Yeah, okay. So 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.640 it was directed by David Trainer, written by Jeff Minnel. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.560 It guest stars Jason Marsden as Jason Marsden and Sydney 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:39.560 Bennett returns as Desiree Um. I'm sorry I should say 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:45.440 it correctly, desiree Emmeline Hollinger Boumon. So we start this 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.960 recap in the Matthews kitchen. Amy is impressed that Corey 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.440 is reading The Grapes of Wrath a two pounder and 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.600 that he's almost done with it. Corey then flips the page, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.920 explaining that he went from page five eighty two to 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.240 five eighty one, exposing that he's reading the book backwards, 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.200 so he already knows what happens. Eric runs down the 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.880 stairs to leave and he's going to meet his I mean, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.440 I didn't, I just it was kind of funny. It was, Yeah, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.040 you're setting it up like look what he's done. He's 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.919 oh my god, he's almost done with the grapes of wrath. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.640 It's that's incredible, Okay, and now I'm on five eight one. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.520 I mean it was it was a good tea up. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.560 It was an interesting take a joke I hadn't seen 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.400 before giving giving that joke credit. Uh. Eric runs down 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.280 the stairs to leave. He's going to meet his new girlfriend, Desiree, 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.799 the controlling Southern Bell we met in the last episode. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:37.679 Let's just talk about how crazy physical will your physical 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.400 humor is just top about. But you and and we 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.800 had so much fun. This clearly actually pushing back, but 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.720 it was I was like, oh my god, we were 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.320 having a blast with us. And then it was kind 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.120 of like we were working out the different beats and 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.839 then um I did started to do the foot shuffle thing, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.560 and she's and and so we're we were really enjoying 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.080 working with each other. It was a ton of fun 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.680 of kind of getting to work with Betsy. You know, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.240 it was not yeah, that is not fake, like that 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.960 is all like real good choreography, and like when you 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.719 fake her out and do the twist to get out, 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.960 I was like, this is this feels real in such 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.880 a fun way. I thought it was fine. I also 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.040 liked just deciding to button one button at the very 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:22.560 bottom of my shirt man V which was which was 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:28.320 a yeah, it reminded me this physicality that you guys did. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.280 We talked about this in a previous episode of Boy 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.480 Me It's World, about how Michael was very big on 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.800 physical humor needing to be very real, and it did. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.200 It felt like you two with this choreography and the 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.240 way you guys worked it out, it was no matter what, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.560 just pushed back against each other, just make this real. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.719 There was and it works. That's exactly why it works, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:51.800 is that when when yeah, it was really fun and 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.840 you could see by the way she's gripping your arm 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:58.240 that she is genuinely pushing against you. We were having fun. Yeah, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.839 it's a very it's very cool. So she says she 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.680 doesn't care what Eron's desire is making you do. You 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.120 were going to sit down and eat breakfast and then 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.760 just sorry, Wow, this is one of those you know, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.600 we we've talked a lot about like why couldn't it 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.920 be Betsy, Like this could have easily been Alan, It 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.440 actually would have made more sense. But it's so good 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.640 that it's Betsy. It makes it so much funnier, so 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.640 much more interesting. She's most of the episode, and Rusty 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.920 doesn't show up until later. Like I had the same thought, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:24.760 it was weird that he just walks in at that 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.400 he had finals. But yeah, but this could have easily 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.760 been a physical like Dad versus son physical thing. But 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:35.280 the fact that it's her makes it so much better. Well, yeah, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.440 Rusty finals. Honestly, it's I wonder if he had another 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.080 job or something like It's seriously, it felt it felt 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.119 like a weird gap that he just kind of shows 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.600 up at that one scene. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.600 he's on this show. But there's a perfect example of 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.680 how it easily could have been Betsy. It was, and 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.920 it was great. Yeah, it worked really well that it 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.960 was her. Um Amy asks what kind of control this 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.560 girl has over Eric and then his pager goes off 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.640 because as are a needs conditioner. Eric avoids his mom 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.680 and rushes out the door. Um and we explain what 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:10.600 pages are to our young Were these things you wore 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.120 on your belt and reminded you that no, I had 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:17.080 no friends, that you guys have pages? During this of course, yeah, right, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.040 we all did right, because as kid actors, we were 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.480 lucky enough to like get pagers. Uh, but like I 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.720 did most kids have them, I guess maybe like by 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.880 late nineties, everybody or a sidekick. Wasn't that The other 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.440 thing that people would have in the late nineties or 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.560 early nineties, it was drug dealers and child actors exactly 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:39.360 often one and the same. So you would get you 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.000 would get a page which somebody could call you from 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.960 their phone and then punch in any number to tell 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.360 you to call him back. But of course that instead 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.160 of just putting the number to call back, they became 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.679 an elaborate system of codes, so you would have like 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.520 your own pager code, and then you would have like, 0:08:54.760 --> 0:09:00.280 you know, yeah, all these like elaborate way you know. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.320 Of course drug dealers had elaborate codes for everything. Um, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.280 but let me walk you through some. So if you 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:12.000 wanted to please as a child actor, it would usually 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.679 be like if we were at if I was at 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.080 my regular school and I got a page, it would 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.520 usually say like one, and that would mean you have 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.439 an audition. And then the next set of numbers was 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.520 usually the time my mom was coming to pick me up, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.599 and so I would just look down I'd see the 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.720 number one, no, I have an audition, and then it 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.079 would say like one fifteen, and I'd know, okay, I've 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.920 got to meet her in the nurses office at one 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.199 fifteen and that's where you know she's going to pick 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:39.079 me up to go to. Of My pages were low battery. 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.240 I just had no it did. It proved to me 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.920 that I had no friends like oh man. So the 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.040 coolest page or code was my brother, whose name is Shilo. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:10:03.400 You could actually spell Shiloh one backwards, yeah, seven one 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.160 four at four five right, so if you turn that 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:14.600 upside down, it spells. It was his very long, convoluted patriochude. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:19.240 But it worked, okay. I love seeing it brought me back. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.120 I know, well, because they did have cool neon cases. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.320 I remember one of my favorite cases was a neon case. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.520 But I also had a clear case, which was so cool. Um. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.800 And then Corey goes back to his book. He continues 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.520 to read and ends with a joke. I guess you 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.760 want to call that a joke. He reads a quote 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.880 from like a famous quote from Grapes of Wrath and 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.000 then says, well, that came out of nowhere. Because he's 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:48.800 reading the book backwards. Yeah, I didn't think that was 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.280 like a probably better button, probably could have a Yeah, 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.400 is there a defense? Is that like will did you 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.760 think it was particularly funny or are you like that one? 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.480 I was still talking about how awesome I was with 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.840 my foot work and Betsy, so I'm not even registered 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.800 that part of the scene if I'm honest. Okay, got it, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.480 I get it. That makes sense. You and Sue were 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.720 still like, man, yeah, the wife listen, I get it. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:15.319 So wife mine, we actually watched this at like midnight. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.760 She was asleep by when I think the joke he 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.720 said one. She was out already by that, right, right, Yeah, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.160 she was already asleep. Yeah, I'm glad she likes the show. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:28.160 She does, so Mr Turners, We're in Mr Turner's classroom. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.000 Mr Turner asks who can explain what is happening so 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.800 far in the Grapes of Wrath. Corey puts his hand 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.160 up and Mr Turner asks if it's a muscle spasm, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.280 but Corey wants a shot. Corey explains it perfectly, and 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.040 everyone is shocked that Corey knows what's happening, and Sean 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.920 says that he's a disgrace to the back row, which 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.040 is funny because he's not in the back row. Only 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:47.679 Sean is in the back row, which I thought was 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:53.200 kind of funny. He's in front of you a little row, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:58.600 three rows right, and he's not in the one you referenced. So, yeah, 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.320 it was great. Mr. Turner says the book is a 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.160 perfect example of how the powerful will always exploit the powerless. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.440 When Korey and Sean asked what they need to know 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.560 for the test, Turner says he doesn't want to hear 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.679 people asking about the test anymore. He says that as 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.240 long as everyone reads the book and engages during the 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:20.880 class discussion, there will be no test. Everyone like jumps up, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.800 no test, and they run out of the room, And 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.000 then we're in the school cafeteria. Are just very quickly 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.600 to writer's point. For the last run through, the last 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:29.880 walk through we did did you did you get a 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.720 Turner tie reference? Oh yeah, I forgot. I didn't see 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.120 it in this one. I meant to go back and look. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.840 The next one is way better. The next one. Yeah, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.360 we'll talk about the next one. We're building up. There's 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:48.559 such a thing. How did we know? Because it's very remarkable? Yeah, 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.360 it is. It is clearly a choice that either Tony 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.360 or Sarah or together they were making like we're going 0:12:54.400 --> 0:13:09.240 to yeah, yes, yeah. So in the school cafeteria, Mr 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.200 Feenie is sitting with Mr Turner. Phoenie comes to the 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:18.680 table with just a tray of coffee, the whole tray 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.240 with one thing on it, with a saucer and some 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.400 good business guys. This whole series, this is him acting 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.920 the crap out of putting sugar in that tea. It 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.280 was also cream. That's why. And actually husband producer Jensen 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.240 carp did say when I said, is that just a 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.440 tray of coffee? He said, I think it's tea? And 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.520 I said, well, are they trying to let us think 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.160 that he's British because he's coming there with black tea 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.880 that then he's putting cream in. Thank you, thank you, 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.280 And you wonder why we were confused as children? Yeah, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.400 you get it. Thank I love this scene because this 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.560 is I mean, this whole storyline is the payoff of 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.120 what was established in that first episode of the second season. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.000 And I remember when we were talking about it, I said, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.920 I hope they developed this because it's really a great dynamic. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.480 The Phoenie Turner divide. You know, I love it, and 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.559 hummus is a good joke. Yeah, hummus is a pretty 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.800 good joke. It's just a funny word. It's kids aren't 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.520 sitting there in seventh grade eating hummus normally in Philadelphia, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.800 so it's that's to me, it was a funny joke, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.920 especially the way Tony kind of nailed that word. It's like, okay, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.680 this is this is funny. I writer cannot wait to 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.040 discuss with you whether or not this is because I 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.560 love the dynamic between Phoenie and Turner as well. I 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.400 thought this was not the episode for it. I didn't 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:34.960 get it. I like it was so such a waste 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.720 and at the end of it, I was like what 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.920 and I want to I'll bring it up at the end, 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.880 but I'm going to plant the seed now. This would 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.000 not surprise me if this was originally a season one 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:51.280 script where Turner just wasn't in it at all and 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.920 it was a storyline where Corey was the Turner piece 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.240 and Phoenie was the always Phoenie piece. Because this just 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.800 feels well, we'll talk about it, just planting the seed. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.840 We will go, we will go about the episode and 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.640 we'll see what happens. So Mr Phoenie sits down with 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.840 Mr Turner. He says that Mr. Turner's fourth period English 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.240 class sure seems unusually chipper, and Phoenie asks if it 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.040 had anything to do with Turner's innovative no test policy. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.160 Turner says it's not a policy, but as long as 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.200 kids do the work and know their stuff, he doesn't have. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.680 He doesn't believe that they need a test. Phoenie says 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.880 that without a test, students will come to school tomorrow 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.240 knowing nothing. Turner disagrees, and Phoenie asks if he's willing 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.000 to try his theory, setting up the very first you know, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.560 Turner Phoenie's storyline. But the stakes for the storyline are 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.680 just if you win, I'll respect you, and if I win, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.760 you'll respect me. Yeah, maybe that's why it didn't work 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.920 for me. I just I mean, I I like that 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:54.560 they're exploring this, but I found this an incredibly boring storyline, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.320 just not interesting. I was not invested, and I love 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.880 these two actors. I love these two characters, and yet 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.480 whatever reason, this tension just fell completely flat. The writing 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.760 just didn't bring it to the surface like it just 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.840 felt okay. It was supposed to be tension. I thought 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.680 it was just look, it's new school teaching versus conflict. Yeah, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.800 but but it doesn't make any sense because Phoenie is 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.520 is a new school teacher, like he always creates crazy 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:23.440 life experiences to teach lessons, like the idea that maybe, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.160 I mean, maybe I could buy that, but I don't 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:26.600 know why. It just didn't come to life for me, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.440 Like I don't know, I just did not come to 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.200 life like I I get the forces at work, but 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.760 it didn't have any sparks for whatever reason. I mean, 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.520 for one thing, like you said, it could be that 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.120 there are practically no stakes. It's just, well, what happens 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.280 If I win, then I'll consider your methods. Well what 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.200 if I win, then I'll consider your methods. That may 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.280 be part of it. But to my point of maybe 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.280 this is like feels more like a Season one script. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.640 Imagine if Corey was in the Turner position of listen, 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.520 as long as we're doing the work, we don't need 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.680 to take a test, and Phoenie saying, how would I 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.840 ever know what you've learned without a test? And it 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.960 becomes a thing, Well, let's do it. Let's not take 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.960 a test. And let's see what happens if it's now 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.080 a bet between the two of them. I feel like 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.280 that would have been I don't know, I feel like 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.440 that's kind of what we came to expect from season one, 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.560 a little bit of like and then the situation that 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.200 comes out of the episode at the end, the payoff 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.879 of Turner saying you know, well we did and we 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.960 found it all out without a test, and Phoene then 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:24.560 saying did we so again, We'll get to it at 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.199 the end, because that that also is the reason then 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.359 didn't work for me. At the end of the episode, Turner, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.399 thanks Phoenie, and I'm like, for what you will right 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.880 all along? He created a whole mess in your class 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.159 and and created a whole hoop lot and for what, like, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.240 what are you thanking him for? Exactly right, because Turner's 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.600 point is made the very next scene when we all 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.680 show up and we've all read the book and well, yeah, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.520 so it's over done. It's done. Okay, So we're in 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.200 the Matthew's kitchen, Jason Marsden barges in and asks Amy 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.320 if she's guest starring on Baywatch because she's so hot. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.879 Eric enters and says he has to bail on their 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.840 basketball game because something came up. Jason, Yes, I love 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:12.200 shorts over sweatshants with the mullet. The mullet shorts over sweatpants. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.560 I didn't know that I saw that. And then of 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:20.080 course it comes back later when Will shows up. Why 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.320 did you do that? Why did people do in Philly? 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.800 It's Philly? Oh, because it's cold outside the shorts, then 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.399 do the pans and keep you for being well. I 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.679 don't know. Maybe you're playing indoors, but you have to 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.199 be outdoors before you get to indoors, So maybe the 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:37.919 shorts are what you end up. Maybe you take your 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.000 sweatpants off to play inside, but then you have the 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.240 sweatpants on. I don't know, but then you have to 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.719 take the shorts off to take the take your pants off. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:49.320 Why wouldn't you just carry the shorts with you your 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:53.680 sweatpants exactly? This is a choice. This is a fashion. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.960 Choice is a fashion? But is that just a boy 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.960 these world thing? Or like? Okay, dear listen, please write 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.600 to us if you or anyone you know has ever 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:08.200 worn sweatshirts shorts over sweatpants. Is that a thing in particular? 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:12.480 Our Philly Listeners producer and husband Jensen Carp played basketball 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.480 a lot. Did you ever Jensen where he said? Never 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:21.800 was California. He's like California. Okay, we just we need 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:26.479 our East coast listeners Connecticut aside. But again, basketball, and 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.560 you wore shorts and then you take a pair of 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.119 sweatpants and you put them over your shorts. So that 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.239 at the walk from the car and it was a car, 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:40.320 not a horse to the but exactly it was to 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.320 the to the gymnasticum because we didn't have the right word, 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.280 um what was you then take off your sweatpants and 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.919 you have your shorts on to play game new fangled 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:54.840 game called um. So, yeah, I didn't. I Also, he's 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:56.760 and I love Jason and I think he's very good 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.600 in this this show. But I think he just pushed. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.840 He was so Eddie Haskell like they're now making him 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.240 so Eddie Haskell in the episode where it's again like 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.760 Mrs Smith's s yeah, and it's like, wow, oh god, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.360 what are you doing? So it's it's a lot, Yeah, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:14.320 it's a lot. So Jason takes a wild guess that 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.359 vampire Vampira or Vampira is the reason Eric is busy. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.200 Jason gives Amy his condolences for the loss of her son. 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.159 Amy says, send the money to the foundation of the 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.880 terminally whipped, which I thought was kind of a funny joke, 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.000 and she hit the word whipped whipped. I know it 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.560 was very funny. Eric doesn't understand why Amy and Jason 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.640 are so down on Desiree, and then Eric's pager goes off. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.840 Jason steals the pager and says, it's Desiree. She's in 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.800 the driveway and she wants water. As Eric goes to 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:48.080 the sink, Amy blocks him and then sprays Eric with water. Um. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.919 Eric goes running upstairs. Desire enters and asks Jason to 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.399 fetch Eric, and then Jason says he was in the 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.600 shower when his pager went off and it wasn't pretty 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.440 that he's basically dead. Eric then walks downstairs and has 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.840 a towel tucked into his pants to cover the water, 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.600 which I why was there a kitchen towel upstairs? And 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.679 why didn't you change your pants? Not change your pants? 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:14.560 I don't understand that you run upstairs to get a 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.199 towel from the kitchen. Kitchen? Yeah, what the hell was 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.320 the point of that, I don't know. It was also 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.840 you were gone for a little longer, Like you were 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.679 gone long enough that you could have changed your pants. 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.040 You think, Yeah, at least thrown on a good pair 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.399 of pants under a pair of shorts, which would have 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.679 been great. And she could take Jason's shorts. Still, you 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.360 can still be wearing clothes. You could have pulled shorts off. 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.760 I don't know Sydney Bennett at all. We hung out 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.720 these not even hung out. We worked together these two weeks. 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.680 I do not know her. I'm sure she's a wonderful person. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.199 It's the character, but every time she's on screen, I 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:53.879 just wrote, she's awful. You hate her so much that 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:58.359 it's not funny hate. Also, I didn't write this until 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.199 and so I wasn't gonna bring it up until like 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.080 the later the hallway scene later. But what I wrote 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:07.000 down was like, is this funny? Does anybody find this funny? 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:12.080 Is this entertaining? It's in the slightest, but this whole 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.880 storyline is just it's it's it's you know. It reminded 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:19.080 me of the girls in the Trucks Are when when 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.719