Speaker 1: So we get a lot of emails, as I have
Speaker 1: mentioned before, and one that came through recently reminded me
Speaker 1: of something we have to circle back to because it's
Speaker 1: something right or mentioned that then we've never gone back to.
Speaker 1: And I think it's very important. Christian Are wrote us
Speaker 1: to tell us which Ninja Turtle we'd each be okay,
Speaker 1: and it reminded me that writer had said there is
Speaker 1: a he knows which Ninja Turtle he is. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to see what with what christian Are said, how
Speaker 1: it matches up with what you guys think. So Christian
Speaker 1: said that Danielle would be Leonardo, that my my host
Speaker 1: abilities show real Leo trade. It's also leadership quality. Writer
Speaker 1: would be Donna Tello. He's intelligent and studious, a real brain.
Speaker 1: That was always my idea. Will would be Michaelangelo with
Speaker 1: his quick sense of humor, and Phoenie would clearly be Splinter.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right. I like it. I can I tell you.
Speaker 1: As a voice over actor, I've gotten a chance to
Speaker 1: be involved in almost every one of my favorite cartoons
Speaker 1: from the time I was a kid, and I've never
Speaker 1: from the fifty times I've auditioned for them, never gotten
Speaker 1: to play a ninja turtle. It kills me. I've never
Speaker 1: used being a ninja turtle on one of them too,
Speaker 1: Like I want to say, like eight years ago. God,
Speaker 1: I I don't. It wasn't Donna Tello though, I think
Speaker 1: it was Raphael, which is the one. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I was definitely up for. I went back like
Speaker 1: three or four times. I was like, this would be fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, and it's the one I can't cry. Well,
Speaker 1: there's still time. Well, there's still time. Um. Welcome to
Speaker 1: pon Meet's World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right or Strong,
Speaker 1: and I'm Wilfred. I'm glad that our pre show chatter
Speaker 1: was short today because I feel like this recap episode
Speaker 1: we're about to jump into is going to be one
Speaker 1: of our longer recaps. And maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but it is in my notes. It is multiple multiple pages,
Speaker 1: and oh my god, I'm so serious. I really liked
Speaker 1: this episode. Allo. Wow, I'm actually really glad to hear that,
Speaker 1: because this is my least favorite episode any episode I
Speaker 1: have seen so far. And Mr Joy, yes, I would
Speaker 1: not say my least favorite, but it is definitely not.
Speaker 1: Several times, I'm so, I'm so glad that you did,
Speaker 1: because I'm dying to hear your perspective, because I'm I
Speaker 1: several times paused the show to go what and then
Speaker 1: like wait, what, what's happening? And then let me just
Speaker 1: recap it out loud and like, am I understanding this correctly?
Speaker 1: And then it led to a really interesting fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty minute discussion between producer Jensen Carr husband at the
Speaker 1: end of the night about like which just cre now
Speaker 1: it depends with him its producer correct Then he's producer
Speaker 1: Jensen Carp And that's that's why it came up this way,
Speaker 1: because we were discussing more as producers than than as
Speaker 1: husband wife, and then and then yeah, so anyway, we
Speaker 1: are discussing Season two, Episode four, Me and Mr Joe.
Speaker 1: Original air date October four. The synopsis is that Corey
Speaker 1: and Sean learn a lesson about having something to lose
Speaker 1: when trying to stage a student walk out in protest
Speaker 1: of an English literature exam. Also, Eric still has a
Speaker 1: demanding girlfriend. Oh, she's awful and I hate her and
Speaker 1: we'll get into that later. She's a torturous score, she's awful,
Speaker 1: she's awful. But that's why this episode is not very good.
Speaker 1: I think she's supposed to be awful. That's the like
Speaker 1: I couldn't Yeah, anyway, that's that's what I couldn't stand.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this? It's a she's awful
Speaker 1: like Jason was funny choked choke while Yeah, okay. So
Speaker 1: it was directed by David Trainer, written by Jeff Minnel.
Speaker 1: It guest stars Jason Marsden as Jason Marsden and Sydney
Speaker 1: Bennett returns as Desiree Um. I'm sorry I should say
Speaker 1: it correctly, desiree Emmeline Hollinger Boumon. So we start this
Speaker 1: recap in the Matthews kitchen. Amy is impressed that Corey
Speaker 1: is reading The Grapes of Wrath a two pounder and
Speaker 1: that he's almost done with it. Corey then flips the page,
Speaker 1: explaining that he went from page five eighty two to
Speaker 1: five eighty one, exposing that he's reading the book backwards,
Speaker 1: so he already knows what happens. Eric runs down the
Speaker 1: stairs to leave and he's going to meet his I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't, I just it was kind of funny. It was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're setting it up like look what he's done. He's
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's almost done with the grapes of wrath.
Speaker 1: It's that's incredible, Okay, and now I'm on five eight one.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was a good tea up.
Speaker 1: It was an interesting take a joke I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: before giving giving that joke credit. Uh. Eric runs down
Speaker 1: the stairs to leave. He's going to meet his new girlfriend, Desiree,
Speaker 1: the controlling Southern Bell we met in the last episode.
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about how crazy physical will your physical
Speaker 1: humor is just top about. But you and and we
Speaker 1: had so much fun. This clearly actually pushing back, but
Speaker 1: it was I was like, oh my god, we were
Speaker 1: having a blast with us. And then it was kind
Speaker 1: of like we were working out the different beats and
Speaker 1: then um I did started to do the foot shuffle thing,
Speaker 1: and she's and and so we're we were really enjoying
Speaker 1: working with each other. It was a ton of fun
Speaker 1: of kind of getting to work with Betsy. You know,
Speaker 1: it was not yeah, that is not fake, like that
Speaker 1: is all like real good choreography, and like when you
Speaker 1: fake her out and do the twist to get out,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this feels real in such
Speaker 1: a fun way. I thought it was fine. I also
Speaker 1: liked just deciding to button one button at the very
Speaker 1: bottom of my shirt man V which was which was
Speaker 1: a yeah, it reminded me this physicality that you guys did.
Speaker 1: We talked about this in a previous episode of Boy
Speaker 1: Me It's World, about how Michael was very big on
Speaker 1: physical humor needing to be very real, and it did.
Speaker 1: It felt like you two with this choreography and the
Speaker 1: way you guys worked it out, it was no matter what,
Speaker 1: just pushed back against each other, just make this real.
Speaker 1: There was and it works. That's exactly why it works,
Speaker 1: is that when when yeah, it was really fun and
Speaker 1: you could see by the way she's gripping your arm
Speaker 1: that she is genuinely pushing against you. We were having fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a very it's very cool. So she says she
Speaker 1: doesn't care what Eron's desire is making you do. You
Speaker 1: were going to sit down and eat breakfast and then
Speaker 1: just sorry, Wow, this is one of those you know,
Speaker 1: we we've talked a lot about like why couldn't it
Speaker 1: be Betsy, Like this could have easily been Alan, It
Speaker 1: actually would have made more sense. But it's so good
Speaker 1: that it's Betsy. It makes it so much funnier, so
Speaker 1: much more interesting. She's most of the episode, and Rusty
Speaker 1: doesn't show up until later. Like I had the same thought,
Speaker 1: it was weird that he just walks in at that
Speaker 1: he had finals. But yeah, but this could have easily
Speaker 1: been a physical like Dad versus son physical thing. But
Speaker 1: the fact that it's her makes it so much better. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rusty finals. Honestly, it's I wonder if he had another
Speaker 1: job or something like It's seriously, it felt it felt
Speaker 1: like a weird gap that he just kind of shows
Speaker 1: up at that one scene. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on this show. But there's a perfect example of
Speaker 1: how it easily could have been Betsy. It was, and
Speaker 1: it was great. Yeah, it worked really well that it
Speaker 1: was her. Um Amy asks what kind of control this
Speaker 1: girl has over Eric and then his pager goes off
Speaker 1: because as are a needs conditioner. Eric avoids his mom
Speaker 1: and rushes out the door. Um and we explain what
Speaker 1: pages are to our young Were these things you wore
Speaker 1: on your belt and reminded you that no, I had
Speaker 1: no friends, that you guys have pages? During this of course, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: we all did right, because as kid actors, we were
Speaker 1: lucky enough to like get pagers. Uh, but like I
Speaker 1: did most kids have them, I guess maybe like by
Speaker 1: late nineties, everybody or a sidekick. Wasn't that The other
Speaker 1: thing that people would have in the late nineties or
Speaker 1: early nineties, it was drug dealers and child actors exactly
Speaker 1: often one and the same. So you would get you
Speaker 1: would get a page which somebody could call you from
Speaker 1: their phone and then punch in any number to tell
Speaker 1: you to call him back. But of course that instead
Speaker 1: of just putting the number to call back, they became
Speaker 1: an elaborate system of codes, so you would have like
Speaker 1: your own pager code, and then you would have like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, all these like elaborate way you know.
Speaker 1: Of course drug dealers had elaborate codes for everything. Um,
Speaker 1: but let me walk you through some. So if you
Speaker 1: wanted to please as a child actor, it would usually
Speaker 1: be like if we were at if I was at
Speaker 1: my regular school and I got a page, it would
Speaker 1: usually say like one, and that would mean you have
Speaker 1: an audition. And then the next set of numbers was
Speaker 1: usually the time my mom was coming to pick me up,
Speaker 1: and so I would just look down I'd see the
Speaker 1: number one, no, I have an audition, and then it
Speaker 1: would say like one fifteen, and I'd know, okay, I've
Speaker 1: got to meet her in the nurses office at one
Speaker 1: fifteen and that's where you know she's going to pick
Speaker 1: me up to go to. Of My pages were low battery.
Speaker 1: I just had no it did. It proved to me
Speaker 1: that I had no friends like oh man. So the
Speaker 1: coolest page or code was my brother, whose name is Shilo.
Speaker 1: You could actually spell Shiloh one backwards, yeah, seven one
Speaker 1: four at four five right, so if you turn that
Speaker 1: upside down, it spells. It was his very long, convoluted patriochude.
Speaker 1: But it worked, okay. I love seeing it brought me back.
Speaker 1: I know, well, because they did have cool neon cases.
Speaker 1: I remember one of my favorite cases was a neon case.
Speaker 1: But I also had a clear case, which was so cool. Um.
Speaker 1: And then Corey goes back to his book. He continues
Speaker 1: to read and ends with a joke. I guess you
Speaker 1: want to call that a joke. He reads a quote
Speaker 1: from like a famous quote from Grapes of Wrath and
Speaker 1: then says, well, that came out of nowhere. Because he's
Speaker 1: reading the book backwards. Yeah, I didn't think that was
Speaker 1: like a probably better button, probably could have a Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there a defense? Is that like will did you
Speaker 1: think it was particularly funny or are you like that one?
Speaker 1: I was still talking about how awesome I was with
Speaker 1: my foot work and Betsy, so I'm not even registered
Speaker 1: that part of the scene if I'm honest. Okay, got it,
Speaker 1: I get it. That makes sense. You and Sue were
Speaker 1: still like, man, yeah, the wife listen, I get it.
Speaker 1: So wife mine, we actually watched this at like midnight.
Speaker 1: She was asleep by when I think the joke he
Speaker 1: said one. She was out already by that, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was already asleep. Yeah, I'm glad she likes the show.
Speaker 1: She does, so Mr Turners, We're in Mr Turner's classroom.
Speaker 1: Mr Turner asks who can explain what is happening so
Speaker 1: far in the Grapes of Wrath. Corey puts his hand
Speaker 1: up and Mr Turner asks if it's a muscle spasm,
Speaker 1: but Corey wants a shot. Corey explains it perfectly, and
Speaker 1: everyone is shocked that Corey knows what's happening, and Sean
Speaker 1: says that he's a disgrace to the back row, which
Speaker 1: is funny because he's not in the back row. Only
Speaker 1: Sean is in the back row, which I thought was
Speaker 1: kind of funny. He's in front of you a little row,
Speaker 1: three rows right, and he's not in the one you referenced. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great. Mr. Turner says the book is a
Speaker 1: perfect example of how the powerful will always exploit the powerless.
Speaker 1: When Korey and Sean asked what they need to know
Speaker 1: for the test, Turner says he doesn't want to hear
Speaker 1: people asking about the test anymore. He says that as
Speaker 1: long as everyone reads the book and engages during the
Speaker 1: class discussion, there will be no test. Everyone like jumps up,
Speaker 1: no test, and they run out of the room, And
Speaker 1: then we're in the school cafeteria. Are just very quickly
Speaker 1: to writer's point. For the last run through, the last
Speaker 1: walk through we did did you did you get a
Speaker 1: Turner tie reference? Oh yeah, I forgot. I didn't see
Speaker 1: it in this one. I meant to go back and look.
Speaker 1: The next one is way better. The next one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the next one. We're building up. There's
Speaker 1: such a thing. How did we know? Because it's very remarkable? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is clearly a choice that either Tony
Speaker 1: or Sarah or together they were making like we're going
Speaker 1: to yeah, yes, yeah. So in the school cafeteria, Mr
Speaker 1: Feenie is sitting with Mr Turner. Phoenie comes to the
Speaker 1: table with just a tray of coffee, the whole tray
Speaker 1: with one thing on it, with a saucer and some
Speaker 1: good business guys. This whole series, this is him acting
Speaker 1: the crap out of putting sugar in that tea. It
Speaker 1: was also cream. That's why. And actually husband producer Jensen
Speaker 1: carp did say when I said, is that just a
Speaker 1: tray of coffee? He said, I think it's tea? And
Speaker 1: I said, well, are they trying to let us think
Speaker 1: that he's British because he's coming there with black tea
Speaker 1: that then he's putting cream in. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: And you wonder why we were confused as children? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get it. Thank I love this scene because this
Speaker 1: is I mean, this whole storyline is the payoff of
Speaker 1: what was established in that first episode of the second season.
Speaker 1: And I remember when we were talking about it, I said,
Speaker 1: I hope they developed this because it's really a great dynamic.
Speaker 1: The Phoenie Turner divide. You know, I love it, and
Speaker 1: hummus is a good joke. Yeah, hummus is a pretty
Speaker 1: good joke. It's just a funny word. It's kids aren't
Speaker 1: sitting there in seventh grade eating hummus normally in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: so it's that's to me, it was a funny joke,
Speaker 1: especially the way Tony kind of nailed that word. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is funny. I writer cannot wait to
Speaker 1: discuss with you whether or not this is because I
Speaker 1: love the dynamic between Phoenie and Turner as well. I
Speaker 1: thought this was not the episode for it. I didn't
Speaker 1: get it. I like it was so such a waste
Speaker 1: and at the end of it, I was like what
Speaker 1: and I want to I'll bring it up at the end,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to plant the seed now. This would
Speaker 1: not surprise me if this was originally a season one
Speaker 1: script where Turner just wasn't in it at all and
Speaker 1: it was a storyline where Corey was the Turner piece
Speaker 1: and Phoenie was the always Phoenie piece. Because this just
Speaker 1: feels well, we'll talk about it, just planting the seed.
Speaker 1: We will go, we will go about the episode and
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. So Mr Phoenie sits down with
Speaker 1: Mr Turner. He says that Mr. Turner's fourth period English
Speaker 1: class sure seems unusually chipper, and Phoenie asks if it
Speaker 1: had anything to do with Turner's innovative no test policy.
Speaker 1: Turner says it's not a policy, but as long as
Speaker 1: kids do the work and know their stuff, he doesn't have.
Speaker 1: He doesn't believe that they need a test. Phoenie says
Speaker 1: that without a test, students will come to school tomorrow
Speaker 1: knowing nothing. Turner disagrees, and Phoenie asks if he's willing
Speaker 1: to try his theory, setting up the very first you know,
Speaker 1: Turner Phoenie's storyline. But the stakes for the storyline are
Speaker 1: just if you win, I'll respect you, and if I win,
Speaker 1: you'll respect me. Yeah, maybe that's why it didn't work
Speaker 1: for me. I just I mean, I I like that
Speaker 1: they're exploring this, but I found this an incredibly boring storyline,
Speaker 1: just not interesting. I was not invested, and I love
Speaker 1: these two actors. I love these two characters, and yet
Speaker 1: whatever reason, this tension just fell completely flat. The writing
Speaker 1: just didn't bring it to the surface like it just
Speaker 1: felt okay. It was supposed to be tension. I thought
Speaker 1: it was just look, it's new school teaching versus conflict. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but it doesn't make any sense because Phoenie is
Speaker 1: is a new school teacher, like he always creates crazy
Speaker 1: life experiences to teach lessons, like the idea that maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I could buy that, but I don't
Speaker 1: know why. It just didn't come to life for me,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just did not come to
Speaker 1: life like I I get the forces at work, but
Speaker 1: it didn't have any sparks for whatever reason. I mean,
Speaker 1: for one thing, like you said, it could be that
Speaker 1: there are practically no stakes. It's just, well, what happens
Speaker 1: If I win, then I'll consider your methods. Well what
Speaker 1: if I win, then I'll consider your methods. That may
Speaker 1: be part of it. But to my point of maybe
Speaker 1: this is like feels more like a Season one script.
Speaker 1: Imagine if Corey was in the Turner position of listen,
Speaker 1: as long as we're doing the work, we don't need
Speaker 1: to take a test, and Phoenie saying, how would I
Speaker 1: ever know what you've learned without a test? And it
Speaker 1: becomes a thing, Well, let's do it. Let's not take
Speaker 1: a test. And let's see what happens if it's now
Speaker 1: a bet between the two of them. I feel like
Speaker 1: that would have been I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we came to expect from season one,
Speaker 1: a little bit of like and then the situation that
Speaker 1: comes out of the episode at the end, the payoff
Speaker 1: of Turner saying you know, well we did and we
Speaker 1: found it all out without a test, and Phoene then
Speaker 1: saying did we so again, We'll get to it at
Speaker 1: the end, because that that also is the reason then
Speaker 1: didn't work for me. At the end of the episode, Turner,
Speaker 1: thanks Phoenie, and I'm like, for what you will right
Speaker 1: all along? He created a whole mess in your class
Speaker 1: and and created a whole hoop lot and for what, like,
Speaker 1: what are you thanking him for? Exactly right, because Turner's
Speaker 1: point is made the very next scene when we all
Speaker 1: show up and we've all read the book and well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's over done. It's done. Okay, So we're in
Speaker 1: the Matthew's kitchen, Jason Marsden barges in and asks Amy
Speaker 1: if she's guest starring on Baywatch because she's so hot.
Speaker 1: Eric enters and says he has to bail on their
Speaker 1: basketball game because something came up. Jason, Yes, I love
Speaker 1: shorts over sweatshants with the mullet. The mullet shorts over sweatpants.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I saw that. And then of
Speaker 1: course it comes back later when Will shows up. Why
Speaker 1: did you do that? Why did people do in Philly?
Speaker 1: It's Philly? Oh, because it's cold outside the shorts, then
Speaker 1: do the pans and keep you for being well. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe you're playing indoors, but you have to
Speaker 1: be outdoors before you get to indoors, So maybe the
Speaker 1: shorts are what you end up. Maybe you take your
Speaker 1: sweatpants off to play inside, but then you have the
Speaker 1: sweatpants on. I don't know, but then you have to
Speaker 1: take the shorts off to take the take your pants off.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just carry the shorts with you your
Speaker 1: sweatpants exactly? This is a choice. This is a fashion.
Speaker 1: Choice is a fashion? But is that just a boy
Speaker 1: these world thing? Or like? Okay, dear listen, please write
Speaker 1: to us if you or anyone you know has ever
Speaker 1: worn sweatshirts shorts over sweatpants. Is that a thing in particular?
Speaker 1: Our Philly Listeners producer and husband Jensen Carp played basketball
Speaker 1: a lot. Did you ever Jensen where he said? Never
Speaker 1: was California. He's like California. Okay, we just we need
Speaker 1: our East coast listeners Connecticut aside. But again, basketball, and
Speaker 1: you wore shorts and then you take a pair of
Speaker 1: sweatpants and you put them over your shorts. So that
Speaker 1: at the walk from the car and it was a car,
Speaker 1: not a horse to the but exactly it was to
Speaker 1: the to the gymnasticum because we didn't have the right word,
Speaker 1: um what was you then take off your sweatpants and
Speaker 1: you have your shorts on to play game new fangled
Speaker 1: game called um. So, yeah, I didn't. I Also, he's
Speaker 1: and I love Jason and I think he's very good
Speaker 1: in this this show. But I think he just pushed.
Speaker 1: He was so Eddie Haskell like they're now making him
Speaker 1: so Eddie Haskell in the episode where it's again like
Speaker 1: Mrs Smith's s yeah, and it's like, wow, oh god,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? So it's it's a lot, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. So Jason takes a wild guess that
Speaker 1: vampire Vampira or Vampira is the reason Eric is busy.
Speaker 1: Jason gives Amy his condolences for the loss of her son.
Speaker 1: Amy says, send the money to the foundation of the
Speaker 1: terminally whipped, which I thought was kind of a funny joke,
Speaker 1: and she hit the word whipped whipped. I know it
Speaker 1: was very funny. Eric doesn't understand why Amy and Jason
Speaker 1: are so down on Desiree, and then Eric's pager goes off.
Speaker 1: Jason steals the pager and says, it's Desiree. She's in
Speaker 1: the driveway and she wants water. As Eric goes to
Speaker 1: the sink, Amy blocks him and then sprays Eric with water. Um.
Speaker 1: Eric goes running upstairs. Desire enters and asks Jason to
Speaker 1: fetch Eric, and then Jason says he was in the
Speaker 1: shower when his pager went off and it wasn't pretty
Speaker 1: that he's basically dead. Eric then walks downstairs and has
Speaker 1: a towel tucked into his pants to cover the water,
Speaker 1: which I why was there a kitchen towel upstairs? And
Speaker 1: why didn't you change your pants? Not change your pants?
Speaker 1: I don't understand that you run upstairs to get a
Speaker 1: towel from the kitchen. Kitchen? Yeah, what the hell was
Speaker 1: the point of that, I don't know. It was also
Speaker 1: you were gone for a little longer, Like you were
Speaker 1: gone long enough that you could have changed your pants.
Speaker 1: You think, Yeah, at least thrown on a good pair
Speaker 1: of pants under a pair of shorts, which would have
Speaker 1: been great. And she could take Jason's shorts. Still, you
Speaker 1: can still be wearing clothes. You could have pulled shorts off.
Speaker 1: I don't know Sydney Bennett at all. We hung out
Speaker 1: these not even hung out. We worked together these two weeks.
Speaker 1: I do not know her. I'm sure she's a wonderful person.
Speaker 1: It's the character, but every time she's on screen, I
Speaker 1: just wrote, she's awful. You hate her so much that
Speaker 1: it's not funny hate. Also, I didn't write this until
Speaker 1: and so I wasn't gonna bring it up until like
Speaker 1: the later the hallway scene later. But what I wrote
Speaker 1: down was like, is this funny? Does anybody find this funny?
Speaker 1: Is this entertaining? It's in the slightest, but this whole
Speaker 1: storyline is just it's it's it's you know. It reminded
Speaker 1: me of the girls in the Trucks Are when when
Speaker 1: the car breaks down during the first season, until they
Speaker 1: like manipulate the junkyard guy with the it's like this
Speaker 1: stupid gender like women have all the power. Look at
Speaker 1: guys being hopeless to a hot woman joke that is
Speaker 1: just not funny, and they're pushing I mean, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: we did one, but we already did an episode of
Speaker 1: this storyline. So now we have an entire another episode.
Speaker 1: What is the point of this? I don't think, Like
Speaker 1: I honestly was like, I know all the jokes before
Speaker 1: they happen. I know Jason is gonna be whipped in
Speaker 1: his way, I know, you know all the things. So
Speaker 1: is there literally a single moment of this that is funny?
Speaker 1: Like I just couldn't find it. And the other I
Speaker 1: wonder how long they were going to actually keep or
Speaker 1: on the show, if she was supposed to be on
Speaker 1: longer than this, because again, they brought me into audition
Speaker 1: with this woman, Like the character was so important to
Speaker 1: them that they brought me into read with her several times.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if this was supposed to be another
Speaker 1: recurring character that just didn't land, because it didn't land
Speaker 1: it was because yeah, it's not her fault, Yeah, not
Speaker 1: not sitting his fault. It's the character. It's because if
Speaker 1: you take the idea of like, oh will like or sorry,
Speaker 1: Eric is willing to put up with an awful person
Speaker 1: because it's he gets to day to senior, right right,
Speaker 1: There's so many cool ways you could go with that
Speaker 1: and like have having him having to keep compromising his
Speaker 1: values in order to appease some woman. That could have
Speaker 1: been subtle, dynamic and interesting, and you could see like
Speaker 1: the slow erosion of Eric's character, but instead it's like
Speaker 1: done from the moment we see the situation the last episode,
Speaker 1: it's like established, and then they just keep reiterating the
Speaker 1: same thing over. There's no development, there's no change. It's
Speaker 1: just okay, And I just didn't find he says something.
Speaker 1: It says something in the accent. Jason walks up and
Speaker 1: is you know, I can't believe you're doing this, and
Speaker 1: then Eric chooses her until he doesn't. It was Yes,
Speaker 1: it was over and over again, the same jokes, so dumb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I agree. Jason begs Eric to
Speaker 1: play hoops, and desire say Jason is a little petite
Speaker 1: to play basketball. This triggers Jason to go off on Desiree,
Speaker 1: and Eric decides to defend Desiree in the argument. Jason
Speaker 1: then leaves desire says Eric now has a decision to
Speaker 1: make between his Elphin buddy and her. Jason then runs
Speaker 1: back in and says he's not Elphin, and then he
Speaker 1: does an impression of the elephant man, which I don't get.
Speaker 1: That I didn't get at all, Like it almost seemed
Speaker 1: and I could be wrong. It almost just seemed like
Speaker 1: I was going to say Jason ad libbing, but I
Speaker 1: doubt in his second or third episode he would have.
Speaker 1: I don't think he ad lib but I think maybe
Speaker 1: they had written I am a human being and he
Speaker 1: was delivering it straight, and then on this take decided
Speaker 1: to do a complete impression but either which is not
Speaker 1: a good impression, but it also just doesn't make any half.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense, like either he's defending himself
Speaker 1: I say I am a human being, which is funny,
Speaker 1: or it was so confusing to me that before I
Speaker 1: turned the subtitles on, which I did turn the subtitles on,
Speaker 1: I figured out how to do it on the new
Speaker 1: TV and I had to do it for this episode
Speaker 1: because there were that many moments that I went what what?
Speaker 1: What did they just say. When he did the elephant
Speaker 1: man impression, I actually thought she must have just said
Speaker 1: instead of elephant, she must have said elephant elephant friend.
Speaker 1: And I was like, did she say your elephant friend?
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. And then and then so, anyway,
Speaker 1: what I like this episode less? Now I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: are turning great? Maybe it has something to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that you watched it at midnight I did.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be totally honest you. I forgot to do
Speaker 1: my homework last night, and as I was getting into bed,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I have to watch an episode
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World tomorrow. Yeah, exactly. Thank god it
Speaker 1: is dry January. That's all I have to say. I
Speaker 1: was able to. Luckily, I was like, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: stay up to watch this, but yes I might. I
Speaker 1: might have so again, if you want boy funny Man
Speaker 1: midnight half asleep boy is great? Oh my gosh. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then we are in Mr Turner's classroom. Mr Turner
Speaker 1: is lecturing about grapes of and a wonderful shirt about
Speaker 1: brown tie ye seventies style that, man, I think we
Speaker 1: should start naming them. Yeah, that's a good idea. I'm
Speaker 1: in for a name. I did not come up with
Speaker 1: a name, but I did think that it looked like
Speaker 1: the pattern on the shirt twisted around and got dizzy
Speaker 1: and like fell into the tie. Yes, exactly, it's a
Speaker 1: pattern on a pattern. And yeah, it was like the
Speaker 1: shirt was like it's carcasso to the shirt. I already
Speaker 1: just saw the cut that's going to be on the internet.
Speaker 1: So so really doesn't jump up to where you know
Speaker 1: exactly what it's going to be, but there you go,
Speaker 1: Hello Instagram, Hello inst So. Turner talks about the violent
Speaker 1: and bloody battles in the book, and Shawn says it
Speaker 1: sounds like bingo night at his trailer part Again, the
Speaker 1: Vernons thing that you were talking about. Will it's like
Speaker 1: the whatever crazy reference I can make to my home life.
Speaker 1: That's that's the joke. It's so funny. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's really funny. And that was a fun That one
Speaker 1: made me laugh. I thought that was funny. Turner says,
Speaker 1: in a similar struggle, they have to prove to Mr
Speaker 1: Feenie the boss that they can learn the material without
Speaker 1: taking a test, So he passes out a paper with
Speaker 1: questions on it that he calls a survey survey. Corey
Speaker 1: says Turner gave them his word, and Sean admits he
Speaker 1: actually read the book this time, which I love that.
Speaker 1: So you read the whole five hundred and eighty two pages.
Speaker 1: We don't even acknowledge. That's why my head still hurts.
Speaker 1: I guess. Uh. So Corey turns in the blank paper
Speaker 1: and says he's not taking the test. Everyone in the
Speaker 1: class follows him and we have a revolt. And when
Speaker 1: he when he hands in the test and then turns back,
Speaker 1: it's pretty funny. I remember it. Yeah, So he hands
Speaker 1: in the test like I'm not taking this and he
Speaker 1: turns back with this worried face like I can't believe.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to walk back to Sean. I
Speaker 1: do remember that. It was funny. Um. I also somewhere
Speaker 1: in this moment was like, where's Dusty. Dusty I missed?
Speaker 1: But has he been in any of this season? He
Speaker 1: must don't think he has. But this episode I remembered
Speaker 1: so many of these background actors when I saw them,
Speaker 1: because we worked with them so much in this episode.
Speaker 1: In particular, I think they were there earlier in the
Speaker 1: week because, like a lot of them, because we had
Speaker 1: to do all the stuff in the cafeteria, like marching
Speaker 1: and chanting and stuff, and so I recognize him and
Speaker 1: I remembered their personalities. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we talked. I remember hanging out well. And there's the
Speaker 1: one actor who is kind of the writer stand in.
Speaker 1: He looks like it looks a little like writer and
Speaker 1: he's he's the character in the Scream episode. Different. M yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a different guy. Are you sure the same haircut?
Speaker 1: He just has the writer hair different. It's the same.
Speaker 1: It's it's the guy who took the mask off it no, no,
Speaker 1: do you know are we thinking? Are you sure you're
Speaker 1: not thinking of the wrong person that I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'll send you a picture of him, the same guy.
Speaker 1: I saw the guy from behind in this episode. I
Speaker 1: was like, that haircut is exactly me. And then when
Speaker 1: they showed from the front, and I definitely remember the
Speaker 1: guy who was in the Scream episode. It's a completely
Speaker 1: different background actor who also had the same haircut. This
Speaker 1: guy is not that guy. I thought they just it
Speaker 1: was the pular haircut and other kids had it. People
Speaker 1: in our show had a middle part, middle part, middle part. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: so Mr Feenie comes in and realizes everyone refused to
Speaker 1: take the test. He asks He asks Turner if he's
Speaker 1: out of his mind, calling him earring boy. I thought
Speaker 1: Bill and Tony were really funny in this episode. I
Speaker 1: just think it feels false, like the comedy work. Comedy
Speaker 1: works for me, not for me. Yeah, it worked for me.
Speaker 1: The build builds who you're going to take this test
Speaker 1: or die? Like all that stuff I thought was really funny.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I thought I liked a lot of the
Speaker 1: comedy in this. I thought the die line was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't laugh at earring boy, um Poenie.
Speaker 1: This part I thought was funny. Foenie tells the class
Speaker 1: they're delicate little flowers just beginning their high school blooming
Speaker 1: and I love it. Cut to a reaction shot of
Speaker 1: Ben and Writer and writer. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: noticed your reaction to Phoenie saying this, but it was
Speaker 1: hilarious to me. Phoene says the line, you know, you're
Speaker 1: delicate little flowers just beginning, you're high school blooming. And
Speaker 1: the reaction shot is you going you actually have like
Speaker 1: a little pouts your leave a little pouty lip and
Speaker 1: you do a little shoulder shimmy, and I don't I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell if you were kind of grost weird out,
Speaker 1: but I think it's almost like a yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: in my performance in this episode. I'm sorry. It was
Speaker 1: very big. You got really really just like really entered
Speaker 1: awkward goofy phase of adolescence, and I was just so
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with my face and my body. But it was
Speaker 1: at this episode. The writing in this episode was was
Speaker 1: went for you especially? I feel like, but I stay
Speaker 1: here for a while, like until season four. I think
Speaker 1: I'm in this like dumb sewn goofy phase that I'm
Speaker 1: just not looking forward to watch him. I thinking I
Speaker 1: think it'll it'll come down to earth faster than you
Speaker 1: think it does. I think so too. Don't judge it
Speaker 1: by this episode. I really think that this episode, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you something's up with it. So we'll see, we'll
Speaker 1: see something's up with it. Um. And then Phoenie tells
Speaker 1: the class they will take this test or die. Corey
Speaker 1: walks up to the front of the class and rallies
Speaker 1: them against Phoene. He says they won't take the test,
Speaker 1: they will die together, and they become organized like the
Speaker 1: people in the book should have, and everyone says die
Speaker 1: and they start a union. They remember the song. Do
Speaker 1: you remember having everybody having to learn the song because
Speaker 1: nobody knew it? Yeah, And so it was like this
Speaker 1: like nineteen sixties referees. Remember you're doing in the nineties shows.
Speaker 1: If all the kids would have known this. Michael shocked
Speaker 1: that nobody had that. Nobody what happened? We don't know what?
Speaker 1: He's like, what what do you mean? You don't know what?
Speaker 1: And where? This is where a lot of his bizarre
Speaker 1: references that we would always joke about came from. Is
Speaker 1: these things where it was so well known in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty six. How do you not know about that? How
Speaker 1: do you know? The union label? You had to teach
Speaker 1: like how to how to sing it and everybody singing?
Speaker 1: You know, they brought down he might might have even
Speaker 1: brought down Ray Colcord because they have anything music wise.
Speaker 1: They always brought people down and write it because it
Speaker 1: obviously is an outdated nobody knew it. I remember that
Speaker 1: nobody knew it and had none of us. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even when were those commercials airing. They must have the seventies.
Speaker 1: They were in this it was a it was a
Speaker 1: jingle from the seventies and eighties and it was it
Speaker 1: was about it was like women's rights, genes and then yeah, clothing.
Speaker 1: I think it had to do with like the garment
Speaker 1: district unions. Yeah, it was a sporting in the unions.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so obscure for us, it really was.
Speaker 1: They all storm out of the class and Turner turns
Speaker 1: to Principal Phoeny and says, oh, yeah, I could learn
Speaker 1: a lot from you, all right, And Phoeny says, shut up.
Speaker 1: Were you guys weirded out by the wall extension, like
Speaker 1: the little extra bit of classroom I had to add
Speaker 1: because it was so it's so weird. Whenever, you know,
Speaker 1: they whenever we needed to like the left of the desk,
Speaker 1: basically they had they would have to bring in an
Speaker 1: extra section of wall, and you know it's added on
Speaker 1: because you can see, like there's a pipe to like
Speaker 1: to cover up the sea. It's called a pocket wall
Speaker 1: or like a wall extension they bring in. But it's
Speaker 1: so awkward in the sitcom, like because they needed space
Speaker 1: for Pheny and Turner to have their aside away from
Speaker 1: the kids and like to separate them in their own shot.
Speaker 1: But they had to bring in this extra wall. It
Speaker 1: just felt so and so some of you may be wondering,
Speaker 1: why not just extend the wall and keep it there forever.
Speaker 1: It's so that when they when the camera camera A
Speaker 1: is shooting towards the children in the classroom, the camera
Speaker 1: needs exactly you and Ben, the camera needs to be
Speaker 1: as close to the desk as possible to get good eyes,
Speaker 1: to get good exactly and so you can't just have
Speaker 1: the wall there permanently because you need a camera way
Speaker 1: up into the set. And then when you're shooting from
Speaker 1: the opposite direction of who's standing at the desk or
Speaker 1: behind the desk, if they need to be to the
Speaker 1: left of it, that suddenly you need more wall. Otherwise
Speaker 1: you're shooting off the stage. So yeah, a little shooting
Speaker 1: through the doorway. When you're shooting on the person at
Speaker 1: the desk, they're being shot through the door with the
Speaker 1: cameras actually in the doorway. Classrooms are very very difficult
Speaker 1: to shoot. And that's why I like, you see, I'm
Speaker 1: always like staggered. So Ben's like Ben's chairs one way
Speaker 1: and then my chair is like like you know, a
Speaker 1: foot further downstage, just so you can see both of us,
Speaker 1: because otherwise, like you know, classrooms do not make sense
Speaker 1: for Sitcom's Yeah, it's very hard to shoot. So we
Speaker 1: then go to a commercial. We come back in Mr
Speaker 1: Turner's classroom. Mr Feeney is looking out the window and says, Ah, St. Aligius.
Speaker 1: I looked it up. It's from Elsewhere. That's his That's yes,
Speaker 1: that's his hospital from St. Elsewhere is St. Allegis? What
Speaker 1: is hold on? It plays? It plays on multiple levels
Speaker 1: because St. Allgius is also the pat patron saint of
Speaker 1: farm workers. Interesting, okay, now that the hospital that Bill
Speaker 1: Daniel's character worked at, it was a resident at in St. Elsewhere,
Speaker 1: was St. Allegias. So he's it's a total meta joke.
Speaker 1: He's looking out the window at his old show going God,
Speaker 1: I wish I was still on that show. Okay, So
Speaker 1: so right, let me let me correct what I said.
Speaker 1: Not of farm workers. He is best known for being
Speaker 1: sat Eligia's best known for being the patron saint of
Speaker 1: horses and those who work with them. So I figured
Speaker 1: it was tying into the grapes of wrath unionizing thing. No,
Speaker 1: it's a great great joke about him looking looking back
Speaker 1: at st Elsewhere and yearning for his old show. Total
Speaker 1: meta joke. Oh it's hyster that's what. But that's what's
Speaker 1: so great is that if you are the kids watching
Speaker 1: the show, you're never gonna understand what he meant. If
Speaker 1: you're the adult watching the show, you're going to get
Speaker 1: a metal laugh because he's talking about sat Elsewhere. Right,
Speaker 1: that makes sense? Okay, Well, I'm at least glad to
Speaker 1: know that layer to it, because when I thought it
Speaker 1: was just a joke about the actual pay trans Saint,
Speaker 1: I was like, you have got to be kidding. What
Speaker 1: the hell is happening? Now that was a great joke. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you say so. Mr Phoeney tells Mr Turner that
Speaker 1: the students have demonstrated the power of labor and now
Speaker 1: they can show them what management can do. So now
Speaker 1: it's basically like, well, I guess our first conversation about
Speaker 1: this about whether or not they learned. We've already shown
Speaker 1: like we have to come up with a new mission,
Speaker 1: a new part to it. Now we've seen what the
Speaker 1: union can do, We've got to show them what management
Speaker 1: can do. Mr Turner is amused, by the display of
Speaker 1: defiance that's going on, and Turner says, if he were them,
Speaker 1: and I were them and they were there, I would
Speaker 1: have done the same thing. And it's I mean yours, Daniel,
Speaker 1: that was Do you want to diagram that sentence? And
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I can't. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Phoene says that as time passes, the defiance will also pass.
Speaker 1: And then we are in the school cafeteria. Corey is
Speaker 1: leading a protest in the cafeteria, saying he no longer
Speaker 1: wants macaroni in the cafeteria. He wants steak with a
Speaker 1: lobster side dish. But before we get to the lobster
Speaker 1: side dish, I did you scream macaroni? Do you remember it?
Speaker 1: I mean painfully no, I blocked this. I do remember
Speaker 1: learning the song and I knew that we had to
Speaker 1: sing it, But um, yeah, I don't remember liking doing
Speaker 1: this episode at all. Right, and I'm watching it now.
Speaker 1: I can kind of tell why doing so much over
Speaker 1: the time, like the cheerleader things. We're getting there. Why
Speaker 1: Can I ask why? Because she doesn't really do anything?
Speaker 1: Can I ask why the lunch lady is in the
Speaker 1: group of kids again. I think it's just a little
Speaker 1: bit of a joke, that is, without pointing to it
Speaker 1: at all, that she's joined them. She okay, okay, she's
Speaker 1: now part of the union. I think as they were
Speaker 1: talking about food, they wanted her there to be also like,
Speaker 1: we can't get steak or lobster like I thought, you're right,
Speaker 1: that could that that is something that someone could have
Speaker 1: thought of and made. They could have made a joke
Speaker 1: there about or they could have pointed out that's not
Speaker 1: why so I didn't get yeah, so making me like
Speaker 1: this episode less and less at half asleep. This is
Speaker 1: a funny episode. I'll try that, just kidding. I could
Speaker 1: never stay up until midnight. Okay. Phoenie, alongside of grinning
Speaker 1: Mr Turner shows up with a megaphone and says, since
Speaker 1: they want to play with George Feenie, the seventh grade
Speaker 1: dance is canceled, as well as the entire football season.
Speaker 1: Phoenie then clarifies to Sean that that also means no cheerleaders,
Speaker 1: and Sean is just heartbroken. They're taking Yeah. Corey explains
Speaker 1: that Shan needs to take sacrifices in a strike, but
Speaker 1: Sean is crying, but he's taking my girl girls officially
Speaker 1: horribly girl crazy now because you know, yeah, we hadn't
Speaker 1: even yeah, I mean in the last episode, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, like two oh three didn't really have a
Speaker 1: whole of Sean with girls stuff. So now you have
Speaker 1: to go back to like two oh one, too oh two,
Speaker 1: and remember that Sean is now officially girl crazy. I'm
Speaker 1: having flash forwards of what this podcast is going to
Speaker 1: be like with Writer in certain episodes coming up. I'm
Speaker 1: having forwards of Writer just like aiding this so much
Speaker 1: and just like I don't want to I don't even
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah, because the truth is, like I
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm like horrible, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: committing I'm doing the thing. Yeah, I just this is
Speaker 1: not what I wanted to be doing as an actor.
Speaker 1: And they were writing these crazy, over the top things
Speaker 1: and I would do it and I would get laugh
Speaker 1: and I would not be having fun, Like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be enjoying this. But I was doing the thing, and
Speaker 1: you had fun and show nights though, didn't you. I
Speaker 1: mean being in front of the audience and that that
Speaker 1: kind of energy we had and all that stuff. I
Speaker 1: mean that was fun. I remember us enjoying that quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Absolutely, No, there's so much fun stuff. I
Speaker 1: just know that like have to do like you know,
Speaker 1: falling to your knees and screaming about the cheerleaders going
Speaker 1: away like I was probably felt the same way I
Speaker 1: feel now, which is like, what, like is this funny?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think it's that funny, but
Speaker 1: very just very very quickly so, and not to bring
Speaker 1: Mash into it when I'm going to I've been listening
Speaker 1: to a Mash podcast and one of the things that
Speaker 1: struck me so amazing, So it was amazing is they're
Speaker 1: having all the actors come back and they're talking about
Speaker 1: their table reads, and their table reads used to be
Speaker 1: sitting around a table reading the script and then a
Speaker 1: note session. But the note session was the actors giving
Speaker 1: the writers all the notes here's what I would do,
Speaker 1: here's why my character wouldn't have done this, here's why
Speaker 1: I think, and the writers would sit there quietly and
Speaker 1: they take all the notes and they'd go back and
Speaker 1: rewrite the script. Amazing that that sort of give and
Speaker 1: take is incredible. Obviously you're dealing with adult, established adult
Speaker 1: comedic actors. Yeah, I mean, if you know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of what I'm feeling is
Speaker 1: just that I didn't feel in control. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't sure creative control, and I just had to like
Speaker 1: perform and do this guy, which you know was the job.
Speaker 1: It makes me uncomfortable because I didn't really like it,
Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't like I didn't like this
Speaker 1: sort of goofy dumb sean like I didn't like playing dumb.
Speaker 1: I never liked it. Um, it never made sense to me.
Speaker 1: I never was that funny to me, like you know,
Speaker 1: and so it just didn't I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna live here for a while, Like if
Speaker 1: I remember my guess again, I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be less time than you think, because they're already showing
Speaker 1: splashes of Eric being dumb, and there was almost no
Speaker 1: time where you and I were dumb together. It was like,
Speaker 1: so they turned work dumb, and then they turned because
Speaker 1: again they probably saw that you were uncomfortable, that you
Speaker 1: didn't like it, that while you were committing it didn't
Speaker 1: seem to work. Whereas when I was playing dumb, I
Speaker 1: i liked it like I was. I could just find
Speaker 1: the comedy in it, so they gave it to me.
Speaker 1: And then so, I don't think you're gonna live here
Speaker 1: as long as you think you are. Frankly, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the next few episodes, but it's not gonna last as
Speaker 1: long as you think. I also think dumb. Sean doesn't
Speaker 1: isn't as good of a partner for Corey otherwise, sorries
Speaker 1: just like like, yeah, what so I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think well, I think you're right. I think it's
Speaker 1: going to turn back before I'll take the dumb you
Speaker 1: give me the dumb writer. That's when that one set
Speaker 1: of footsteps is when I was carrying you. Mr Phoeney
Speaker 1: gives everyone the opportunity to go back and take the
Speaker 1: test within five seconds, and everyone starts to leave, but
Speaker 1: Corey says Phoeney can't punish the seventh grade class if
Speaker 1: there is no seventh grade class. Corey begins his pro
Speaker 1: union song again and tries to walk out of school,
Speaker 1: and Sean follows him, but Corey asks if anyone following, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys doing the tune of the union song, start
Speaker 1: having your own conversation about how nobody is following you,
Speaker 1: and Shawn says he wants to go back. This is
Speaker 1: like Ben is barely singing, and yet I remember Ben
Speaker 1: loved musicals. Do you guys remember, Like Ben would say
Speaker 1: a lot back. I remember him and Betsy would talk
Speaker 1: about musicals all the time. Ben was really into I guess,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm trying to remember. I guess he didn't
Speaker 1: really sing that much himself. No, I think he just
Speaker 1: liked musical He just liked musicals. But but yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's like barely singing, the Union song doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: like it's kind of a talking song. It's a chance,
Speaker 1: it's it's meant so a bunch of people can go
Speaker 1: and chant it as opposed to No, it's not melodic,
Speaker 1: isn't it. I thought that's what it was. I thought so.
Speaker 1: I think in the original commercial it's like an actual sjingle,
Speaker 1: like it it's a real song. We just made it
Speaker 1: into the sort of chant. Yeah. I maybe it's just
Speaker 1: because I only knew your version of it, and you're right,
Speaker 1: no one's really singing it. I was kind of thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's more of a chant, really quite a song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too, well, Corey pulls Sean out of there, and
Speaker 1: the rest of the students are ushered back to class
Speaker 1: by Phoenie and Turner. But now Phoenie says he has
Speaker 1: to go nuclear on Seawan and Corey, and that means
Speaker 1: calling their mommy's. So we're in the school hallway. Eric
Speaker 1: asks Jason how the basketball game was. In case you forgot,
Speaker 1: there's still a Bees story going on, and guess what.
Speaker 1: Guess what's going to happen. She's going to be awful
Speaker 1: and he's gone same scene basically just a new location,
Speaker 1: is it? I just it's exactly the same location that
Speaker 1: the last scene took place. There was also the scene
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, so I don't necessarily know. You know,
Speaker 1: she's been awful in the kitchen, She's been awful in
Speaker 1: the hallway. She's now awful in the hallway again. Um,
Speaker 1: So Jason asks if Eric is in for the next
Speaker 1: game or if they have to find a replacement, and
Speaker 1: then Desiree just steps directly in front of Jason and
Speaker 1: asks Eric if they can go to a new mall
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and Jason acts like she's a vampire behind her.
Speaker 1: Eric asked little, a little big, but you know what. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's trying to save it. He's trying to save it,
Speaker 1: is what he's doing. He's trying to save the grounded story.
Speaker 1: You know, he's trying to save the comedy though you
Speaker 1: could tell so. Eric asks if they can go on
Speaker 1: another day because she plays basketball on Thursdays, but Desire
Speaker 1: says she prefers Thursday. Eric stands up to Desire, telling
Speaker 1: Jason he'll play basketball on Thursday. Eric says he's been
Speaker 1: her slave for a month and asks what he was
Speaker 1: ever going to get out of it, and then Desiree
Speaker 1: French kisses Eric and says goodbye forever. And then you
Speaker 1: guys decide that you're in agreement that you're an idiot
Speaker 1: for breaking up with her because you have gotten could
Speaker 1: have gotten more kisses, because girls, because girl, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: honestly do not remember kissing this woman at all. I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you if Jill was jealous. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't remember kissing this girl at all. I have
Speaker 1: not know when she kissed. I was like, huh, yes,
Speaker 1: we kissed. Your sleeping wife was next to you, and
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, I don't this lady, she's sound asleep
Speaker 1: by this point, thank god, No, it was. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's so strange. You just don't. It happens so often,
Speaker 1: you know, there's actors that come up and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess we kissed. It's so strange. Yeah, very weird.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just thought that you guys agreeing that
Speaker 1: this was a bad move when she was so awful. Truly,
Speaker 1: there is not one redeeming quality about her except for
Speaker 1: the fact that she has lips. And so now anyway,
Speaker 1: she arguably the worst character in the history of the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that is I mean again, even bad characters we've
Speaker 1: had on usually have something about them. They're funny or
Speaker 1: there's some something. She had nothing, There was nothing there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I'm not going to disagree with you. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to disagree with you until this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll change my mind as we see more characters.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel and again, it is not Sydney
Speaker 1: Bennett's fault, it's not at all. Yeah, I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure we are not the actor's fault at all.
Speaker 1: The way the character is written, she's just terrible. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in the Matthew his family living room, Corey and
Speaker 1: Shawn are watching TV. Corey is confused why every channel
Speaker 1: is covering the missing bomb story and not their school
Speaker 1: walk out. Funny Allen and Amy enter and asked Corey
Speaker 1: and Shawn what Rusty. Finally, so they asked, and do
Speaker 1: you because you're not in this episode at all, and like,
Speaker 1: are you ever in Tony's classroom? Are you in Mr
Speaker 1: Turner's class Ever? I do eventually join Mr Turner's classroom.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's this season or if it's
Speaker 1: season three, but I do eventually join Turner's classroom. Interesting,
Speaker 1: I'm so curious if you'll just like pop up in
Speaker 1: the classroom later, like I think, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: pop up in the front row, just directly in front
Speaker 1: of Yeah, just always been there when we were singing
Speaker 1: the songs. I'm also guessing, I thought, And I bet
Speaker 1: you this is true budgetary wise, whenever Eric has in
Speaker 1: season two, at least, whenever Eric has a storyline where
Speaker 1: there's multiple guest casts, you won't be on the show,
Speaker 1: right because if there's Jason and Sydney, then there's no topend.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think most people will will agree
Speaker 1: that Sydney in the scope of Boy Meets World are
Speaker 1: are World is more important than essential to Eric's development?
Speaker 1: More Boy Meets World have been without right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: Amy and Allen enter and asked Corey and Sean what
Speaker 1: they were thinking starting a strike over a test and
Speaker 1: walking out of school. Sean says that maybe what they
Speaker 1: did wasn't very smart, but at least they stood up
Speaker 1: for their principles, and when Alan asks what their principles
Speaker 1: will were, Shawn says he remembers something about macar It
Speaker 1: was great. No, it should have been more real. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I liked it. I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. And Mr Turner appears at
Speaker 1: the front door to talk to Sean, Haffa, and Costello
Speaker 1: as a line from Rusties really really nailing home the
Speaker 1: jokes to those seven year olds watching the show. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: they are making sure they're keeping it timely. How about
Speaker 1: the way Tony's holding that helmet, oh man, like after
Speaker 1: this time, like and he does it the whole scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not the way you would carry that
Speaker 1: kind of helmet, Like I would see if there's a
Speaker 1: full face helmet, you'd carry it like that. But like
Speaker 1: you would grab this one by the and in the suburbs,
Speaker 1: don't carry your helmet, you hang it on the handlebars
Speaker 1: and walk inside. But how else are they going to
Speaker 1: get the cool reference from Amy? Like? How else was
Speaker 1: she going to know that he was a cool teacher?
Speaker 1: Did you think for a second and he was going
Speaker 1: to flirt with this, there's going to be some kind
Speaker 1: of this is your teacher like something like that. I
Speaker 1: was waiting for that, and you know that maybe they
Speaker 1: considered it for it would have been inappropriate. I thought
Speaker 1: that safe thing. Yeah, But again, like when we talked
Speaker 1: about the other episode, the episode where Eric is in
Speaker 1: their bedroom with a girl and he has Alan has
Speaker 1: that whole thing about I couldn't be having an affair.
Speaker 1: I'm not, but I could be. Why isn't it Why
Speaker 1: couldn't Amy have made the joke of like and then
Speaker 1: Alan be like, excuse me, Like, why couldn't they have
Speaker 1: done something like that? But anyway they didn't, I would
Speaker 1: have been inappropriate if as a woman showing up in Alan,
Speaker 1: you're right the other way, Okay, Yeah, you're right, you're right, Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: but yes, I did think that was going to happen.
Speaker 1: And then so um, we're in the Matthews kitchen. Corey says,
Speaker 1: the grapes of Wrath taught them to fight for their rights,
Speaker 1: which is what they went on strike for, and now
Speaker 1: they're in trouble for it. And uh. He says, this
Speaker 1: is what happens when the little guys try to stand
Speaker 1: up to the bosses. And Mr. Turner says, no, they
Speaker 1: threw a hissy fit and walked out. They couldn't go
Speaker 1: on strike because they don't even have jobs. Their parents
Speaker 1: make their lunch and they sleep on sheets with little dinosaurs,
Speaker 1: and Corey corrects him that it is rocket ships. Rocket ships.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was I thought that was pretty
Speaker 1: cute because I was thinking, where did the dinosaur T
Speaker 1: shirts go? We've lost dinosaur T shirt? So he says
Speaker 1: they are two kids playing over their heads. Turner explains
Speaker 1: they can go to school where they are protected and
Speaker 1: abide by the rules, but then Alan walks in says,
Speaker 1: or they can go take an immediate test in the
Speaker 1: real world, which is find a job or starve. Corey
Speaker 1: says they'll go talk to feeny and Turner warns them
Speaker 1: that Feenie isn't going away. He's going to be around
Speaker 1: every corner and then Turner turns around and notices that
Speaker 1: Mr Feenie is right there in the backyard working on
Speaker 1: his garden, and he says, did you know you have
Speaker 1: a principal living next door? And Alan responds, it's not
Speaker 1: something we brag about. And then they go into the backyard.
Speaker 1: Mr Turner walks outside outside and says, you live next
Speaker 1: door to Matthew's, which and we get the joke or
Speaker 1: turn uh whole this whole episode of just watching Writer,
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, there's something off for me about this
Speaker 1: whole episode. I mean honestly, honestly, a lot of it
Speaker 1: is like insecurity, Like I just feel so goofy and
Speaker 1: like not in control of my body or my face
Speaker 1: or my voice. So I just I'm getting awkward with that,
Speaker 1: like uncomfortable with that. I can see the acne starting,
Speaker 1: Like I know it's coming in the next couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: It's gonna I'm just gonna hate watching myself on the show.
Speaker 1: But uh, that that that That's mostly what I'm reacting
Speaker 1: to in my storyline. But the Desiree stuff, I just
Speaker 1: think is is really bad. Like I just think it's
Speaker 1: it's the dumbest storyline. It's it's like it's just ringing
Speaker 1: it over and over again, trying to find the funny,
Speaker 1: and it's not getting any funnier. It's just getting worse
Speaker 1: and painful. Um So that that part I can definitely
Speaker 1: say I did not like at all. And I think
Speaker 1: for me it's actually the opposite. I think that this
Speaker 1: a storyline is so painful to me because it feels
Speaker 1: like such concocted like nothingness that and and and it
Speaker 1: also isn't funny. I feel very much like a little
Speaker 1: bit on the side of Corey and Sewn, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: why did you guys do all this? They they said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: what do we need to know for a test? And
Speaker 1: their teacher told them, don't worry about a test. I
Speaker 1: just want you to study. And then so then they
Speaker 1: did study, and then they were had a test thrown
Speaker 1: at them, and now these two are in trouble and
Speaker 1: for what like it is I just And then as
Speaker 1: as an aside to that, I also don't think the
Speaker 1: B story is very funny. So it's like, I feel
Speaker 1: like this whole episode, I'm just looking for something to
Speaker 1: feel good or funny, and I'm like, well, it's just
Speaker 1: not working for me anyway. As I said from the beginning,
Speaker 1: I did not like this episode. It's one of my
Speaker 1: least favorite boat I agree. So Mr Turner says the
Speaker 1: boys have something to apologize for. Corey says, they read
Speaker 1: the book and they learned that you should fight back
Speaker 1: for what you think is unfair. But they don't relate
Speaker 1: to the book because they're not out in the real
Speaker 1: world yet there's the stakes are much higher than their lives.
Speaker 1: Mr Feeney can tell Corey and Sewan actually read the
Speaker 1: book and he will take that into consideration. Poenie admits
Speaker 1: Corey and Shawn sound like they know the material. Mr
Speaker 1: Turner says, yet, and we found that out without a test.
Speaker 1: But phoene says that everything that happened was a test,
Speaker 1: and Turner says, well, I'd call it a learning experience.
Speaker 1: And then thanks Mr Feenie. They seemed to share a
Speaker 1: moment as co workers. And I don't understand why who
Speaker 1: learned what? Who learned? What? Why is Tony saying, you
Speaker 1: know what? Thank you, George. The learning experience that happened
Speaker 1: was that Turner was right. Maybe he's thanking him because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Phoenie took his advice
Speaker 1: and they didn't give them the test, and the test
Speaker 1: that he gave them was just right there as opposed
Speaker 1: to the paper tests. So he's like kind of saying
Speaker 1: to him, hey, you did you listen to me and
Speaker 1: you learned from me and I appreciate that. Thank you, George.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's not that at all. Maybe I mean
Speaker 1: he did say at the end, Phoenie did say, it
Speaker 1: does seem as though you've taken you've you've studied, So
Speaker 1: I will take that into consideration. So maybe his thank
Speaker 1: you is less about thank you for creating this big
Speaker 1: hoop law in this episode in the next for for
Speaker 1: even though you're the old school teacher, you've given me
Speaker 1: the opportunity to show you that there your way is
Speaker 1: not always the right way, and I might have something
Speaker 1: to offer to Okay, I'll take that. I'll take that.
Speaker 1: I read it as thank you for this episode. And
Speaker 1: I was like, this episode resolution with no actual resolution. Well,
Speaker 1: when they want to resolve something on this show, they
Speaker 1: just play the music and throw off the yes friends.
Speaker 1: Now happens several times. He's just gonna go all right,
Speaker 1: I guess we're done there, we go it's it's resolved
Speaker 1: because they're frozen, and it says created by Michael Jacobs.
Speaker 1: So our tag is in the school hallway. Eric is
Speaker 1: free of Desiree and ready to play basketball, and he
Speaker 1: is also in their uniform of shorts over sweatpants. I'm
Speaker 1: shorted up. Jason isn't dressed to play. He says he's
Speaker 1: too petite to play anyway, and then a pager goes
Speaker 1: off and Eric is confused, but Jason says it's his pacemaker.
Speaker 1: Eric notices Desire's pink pager on Jason's belt. Desiree walks
Speaker 1: over and calls Jason her raisinet, and as Desiree leaves,
Speaker 1: Jason jokes and says he's only in it for the breakup. Kissa,
Speaker 1: what has the panga been doing? I think we really
Speaker 1: needed to delve into Desiree in this episode, Danielle, and
Speaker 1: I think we needed to be not always about Penga.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we needed more about Georgia, Peach and Desiree. Desiree
Speaker 1: is a strong woman standing up for her rights. Oh boy, alright, well,
Speaker 1: she woke up just in time to say what the
Speaker 1: hell is she wearing as she walked down? Okay, but
Speaker 1: if we're talking about like what is the redeeming quality
Speaker 1: of her character, it seems like they just want to
Speaker 1: put her She looks like a dominatrix walking down. She
Speaker 1: was like a caller on. I was like whoa, and
Speaker 1: just like I said, what high school student is wearing
Speaker 1: thigh high boot. Yeah, she's like just sort of carrying
Speaker 1: a writing crop walking down like whoafe. I just hear
Speaker 1: the man. But I feel like that was the point
Speaker 1: of this character. Like it's just but again, they could
Speaker 1: have you know, I think this is a really weird
Speaker 1: pushing it too far sexually, but they could have gone
Speaker 1: farther comedy wise, that way, if they wanted to almost
Speaker 1: dominatrix crazy kind of a joke out of it, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Make it more of a joke
Speaker 1: where it's just insane kind of it would have been
Speaker 1: that would have been inappropriate. It's all inappropriate. None of
Speaker 1: it's appropriate. It's it's too I mean, the whole story
Speaker 1: line is pretty terrible. But like I said earlier, there
Speaker 1: there is a version of like, you know, giving up
Speaker 1: your cell to be with a woman or an older
Speaker 1: woman that you know that gives you status. There's a
Speaker 1: version of that that could have been hysterical, of course,
Speaker 1: the slow erosion of Eric's character or the slow erosion
Speaker 1: of Jason's character, And instead it's just this over the top,
Speaker 1: ridiculous joke, one note character, one note situation, and the
Speaker 1: note is that the note is off key. It's okay
Speaker 1: if it's one note and the note is amazing. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It's one note and it was a bad note. Wait,
Speaker 1: so let's go back really quick to the backyard scene
Speaker 1: with Phoenie. I'm sorry, with Turner and Phoenie. And instead
Speaker 1: of Turner standing there having that conversation with Phoenie, imagine
Speaker 1: it being Corey and this being a season one episode
Speaker 1: where Corey goes where Corey is like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I hey, we did it without doing a test,
Speaker 1: and Phoenie says, but did we? And Corey e then
Speaker 1: says thank you, Mr Phoenie exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: it felt like it could have been a a Phoenie
Speaker 1: being smarter than Corey episode rather than a Phoenie somehow
Speaker 1: have in the upper hand power dynamic with Turner and
Speaker 1: like you're going to earn my respect. I don't know
Speaker 1: it just that was the discussion that producer Jensen carpet
Speaker 1: I had last No, I think I think I think
Speaker 1: the point is that the episode is trying to have
Speaker 1: it both ways, which is it's trying to have conflict
Speaker 1: between Turner and Phoenie but still have Phoenie be the
Speaker 1: all knowing, perfect teacher, right, and that that actually is
Speaker 1: way less interesting than having Phoenie adjust to Turner, which
Speaker 1: would have been way better. That's what they tried to
Speaker 1: do though, that's why try to do that. It just
Speaker 1: wasn't written right. They resolved it by just making Phoenie
Speaker 1: this was all part of his master plan, which just
Speaker 1: doesn't feel right. I think it's impossible, that's not you know.
Speaker 1: And also, and I think with Danielle is saying she's right,
Speaker 1: because what what what he was saying with the whole
Speaker 1: I'll take you know, we did write the material, and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I can tell you did that, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that under advisement. It's Phenie kind of
Speaker 1: saying giving Jonathan one like yes, I get okay, maybe
Speaker 1: your ways aren't awful. Again, it was written poorly, but
Speaker 1: the way that's what I think they were attempting to do. Um,
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be old school versus new school
Speaker 1: and one way is better than the other. No, maybe
Speaker 1: we meet in the middle and we find out that
Speaker 1: there's new things. That's what they were trying to do,
Speaker 1: And I just don't think that hit at all with
Speaker 1: the more. I gotta watch it in the light of
Speaker 1: day again. Um or just right, that's exactly right. Scom
Speaker 1: has ups and downs. Daniel is probably one of the
Speaker 1: first episodes where she's like, you know what, I'm really
Speaker 1: glad about. I'm not in this episode. I was not
Speaker 1: I'm not unhappy. Our next episode is season two, episode five,
Speaker 1: The Uninvited. It aired October one. Thank you all for
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