WEBVTT - Trump Justice for Everyone? | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Natively in pod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Reason Choice Medium.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome Home. Everybody. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Tiffany Cross, Angela Raie and is me Andrew Gillom. Tiffany'

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<v Speaker 2>you are tuned into this week's mini pod, And to

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<v Speaker 2>be fully transparent with you, we were actually going to

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<v Speaker 2>go in a different direction, but I think our nerves

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<v Speaker 2>have really been pricked by you know, the news of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, and yes, the Trump conviction. But really I

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<v Speaker 2>think what we want to delve into a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>is how our language, and more than our language, how

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is experiencing the system, the exceptions that have been made,

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<v Speaker 2>the curves that have been cut, if it's plausible to

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<v Speaker 2>apply it to him, is it possible that some of

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<v Speaker 2>those same things one may be never needed to exist

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place and should be wholesale applied to

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of us. We're talking about everything from the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the process of an investigation, charges, a grand

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<v Speaker 2>jury and arraignment when you have to go and submit

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<v Speaker 2>yourself a trial and selection of a jury, to how

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<v Speaker 2>a verdict is received by the public. Is it legit

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<v Speaker 2>is it illegitimate, illegitimate? What makes it illegitimate? And who

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<v Speaker 2>gets to decide that? And so today I'm hoping we'll

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<v Speaker 2>spend just a few minutes on this subject and invite

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<v Speaker 2>you all into the conversation as well. Tiffany Angel, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to just sort of sort of kick it off

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<v Speaker 2>with each of you reflecting on beyond just the guilty

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<v Speaker 2>verdict itself and the Trump trial, and the way in

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<v Speaker 2>which this has been talked about, largely in cable news,

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<v Speaker 2>but also in print and otherwise on social media, how

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<v Speaker 2>folks have weaponized I think certain terms, and therefore, how

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<v Speaker 2>have y'all either been conflicted or pricked or reminded of

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<v Speaker 2>something that you're like, you know this, it doesn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 2>Something about this isn't isn't working for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there are a lot of things that don't

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<v Speaker 3>feel quite right, and I think we actually may have

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<v Speaker 3>been last week we went into like what we thought

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<v Speaker 3>was wrong with the trial in itself. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>for me, there is this celebration of his mugshot or

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<v Speaker 3>remember when they used to be at Trump rally saying

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<v Speaker 3>lock her up. I don't have a desire to say

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<v Speaker 3>lock him up. Back, like you know, him going to jail,

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<v Speaker 3>like maybe just so that we were no longer like

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<v Speaker 3>threatened by his presence. Fine, but, like I gotta be

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<v Speaker 3>honest with you, my natural disposition is not to thrive

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<v Speaker 3>in people being locked up. I'm not quite abolitionist all

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<v Speaker 3>the way, but I'm pretty dag gone close. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think that this case is making me look very

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<v Speaker 3>hard at where my hypocrisy lives and where my blind

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<v Speaker 3>spots are. I think what is frustrating and maddening to

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<v Speaker 3>me about Donald Trump is the way that he's using

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<v Speaker 3>our language to make it seem like he's having that

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<v Speaker 3>same experience, when in fact, he's having like the concierge version. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's ridiculous, but if we are now saying or not,

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<v Speaker 3>we are. But there are folks among us whose politics

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<v Speaker 3>were more aligned with are saying, call him a felon,

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<v Speaker 3>call him for what it is, all of these things.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't really delight in that. Like I I

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<v Speaker 3>would much rather figure out how to use his concierge

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<v Speaker 3>version to democratize access for that version of the justice

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<v Speaker 3>system than to have him reversal and going back to

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<v Speaker 3>what we know has not served us and has been

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<v Speaker 3>overly burdensome and harsh to us. Even thinking about the

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<v Speaker 3>man we just talked about who didn't couldn't pay child supports,

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<v Speaker 3>so his license was suspended. So I'm just thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>these terms felon. Should we be calling someone a felon?

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<v Speaker 3>We already say returning citizens? So why am I gonna

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<v Speaker 3>say felling about Donald Trump? If we are saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we want him. You do the crime, you do the time, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>what does that time really look like? We talked about

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<v Speaker 3>some of that again on the last pod, But I

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<v Speaker 3>want to make sure that one of these key pieces

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<v Speaker 3>that's been driving me nuts around was should he be

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<v Speaker 3>able to run? Sure, he should be able to run.

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<v Speaker 3>And every one of the people in our communities who

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<v Speaker 3>has committed an act that they regret and they have

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<v Speaker 3>paid their time, and they have there's been restitution, and

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<v Speaker 3>they served a sentence, they should be able to vote.

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<v Speaker 3>And So I would much rather democratize access to this

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<v Speaker 3>alleged democracy than to be trying to find other ways

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<v Speaker 3>to shut it down, because what we know ultimately is

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<v Speaker 3>if we shut it down for Trump, there will be

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<v Speaker 3>an ironclad wall for us. That's the way the PEMM

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<v Speaker 3>swing swings violently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I you know this, This is making me

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<v Speaker 1>think of other things of our ass as a community,

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<v Speaker 1>our ass ass and our to cover our asses in

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<v Speaker 1>the community with our ask And so with Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, let's say he does get locked up, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really care. I don't know if that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>impact how that impacts me personally. I think it impacts

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of America on a global stage for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not getting a Donald Trump was locked up,

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<v Speaker 1>here's your prize. If Donald Trump is able to vote

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida, that is not impacting my community in a

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<v Speaker 1>big way. It's one vote, one person. It's making me

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<v Speaker 1>think of when Tucker Carlson was fired from Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone was saying, let's call this Tiffany cross Day

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<v Speaker 1>or let's everybody like celebrate Tiffany today, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give a shit to Tucker Carlson. What is

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<v Speaker 1>that doing for? Did to put money in my pocket?

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<v Speaker 1>Did it offer me any restitution for things I've gone through?

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<v Speaker 1>Not really? So what do I care if this man

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<v Speaker 1>gets fired or not? Also, when Colin Kaepernick was unfairly

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<v Speaker 1>and unjustly dismissed from his job, and we were demanding,

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<v Speaker 1>but write black bag, we demand you let Colin Kaepernick play. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we get this one man to play football. Our

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<v Speaker 1>ass that little you know, like we need to do

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<v Speaker 1>intel this point. Disrupt a system and you have to

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<v Speaker 1>participate in it, even if your participation is solely to

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<v Speaker 1>disrupt it and rebuild what actually services us. So I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely take your point about the individual action with Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump around the language, I would say, they are just

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<v Speaker 1>not a creative people. Like the everything we do they take,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are a bottomless bucket of creativity, of dopeness,

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<v Speaker 1>of slagger, innovation, all of that, and so they can't

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<v Speaker 1>even their insults are typically things that have derived from us.

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<v Speaker 1>They turn woke into a pejorative. You know, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't come up with something to support law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>So they took black Lives matter and said blue lives

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't never met somebody with blue skin. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that means, but they like blue lives matter.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't even come up with your own slogans, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like they it's thievery, non stop thievery, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they do. That's what they know how to do. So

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<v Speaker 1>when their jargon becomes dangerous, to your point about felons

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<v Speaker 1>and how we speak about that, I do wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>that language will start to impact policy. And even if

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on a wing and a prayer, if if

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<v Speaker 1>Biden is able to hold the White House, if Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>are able to hold the Senate, if they flip the House,

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<v Speaker 1>what does this mean for people who have adopted some

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<v Speaker 1>of that conservative language, you know, you know, like, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>show you that we're the true party of law and order.

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<v Speaker 1>Who typically gets impacted by that is us. So it

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<v Speaker 1>is I hadn't thought about it, honestly, Antil before you

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<v Speaker 1>raised that point. I'm like, oh, that is something to consider.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the solution is. How do we

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<v Speaker 1>get ahead of this?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, how do we how do we co opt

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<v Speaker 2>them versus them co opting us? In this criminal justice

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pie, well one, why not we why not

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<v Speaker 2>call them to the carpet on their legislation? Y'all have

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<v Speaker 2>backbenched this large wholesale criminal justice reform piece of legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Scott was a part of, Corey Booker was a

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<v Speaker 2>part of We Got Bits and pieces of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>buying large wholesale the system the first step back, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but but the first step of a of

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny step, right, that's why. Yeah, and then real

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<v Speaker 2>gigantic lead.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's at a federal level. It's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those police policies were federal police that did very little for.

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<v Speaker 2>A little decisely. So if we took at the state level,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, Rondo Santis, you want to you know, shortcut

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<v Speaker 2>the system for restitute for returning of rights to uh A,

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<v Speaker 2>former felons or folks who identify as felons, then make

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<v Speaker 2>your work for everybody. Do it for everybody. If you

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<v Speaker 2>if you were in Congress and you're saying the system

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work, that it is stacked against certain people, then

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<v Speaker 2>let's unstack it for everybody. If you're sincere and you're

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<v Speaker 2>genuine about that, you want to interrogate whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>the grand jury process was right and deciding to go

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<v Speaker 2>after him in the first place, and you think that

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<v Speaker 2>they will indict a ham sand which you feel that's real,

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<v Speaker 2>then take the teeth out of it. God damn grand jury.

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<v Speaker 2>Why should it be used as a cudgel of prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>to go after who it is that they choose and

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<v Speaker 2>want to go after. If you believe that sincerely, then

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<v Speaker 2>it can't be true just in his case. It's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be true. It's got to be true in other cases.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would argue probably the over warman majority, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would reject their definition of that being his experience

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<v Speaker 2>and his experience alone. Right, So, as I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>these folks on the Sunday shows, and I listened to

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<v Speaker 2>well regarded senators and folks with real position and with

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<v Speaker 2>real power taking I mean a machete to the criminal

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<v Speaker 2>justice system as it sits in this country, except they

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<v Speaker 2>only limited to their comments about Donald Trump. If you

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<v Speaker 2>think it's wrong, if you think it's inherently bad, if

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<v Speaker 2>you think it needs to be leveled, if you think

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutors decide political enemies and then they go after them,

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<v Speaker 2>then figure out a way to defang it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Look, we could talk about the Hunter Biden case. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, y'all so concerned about gun control here,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what's the art.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them, not one of them, cited Hunter Biden's trial,

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<v Speaker 2>which began this week, as an example of a little

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<v Speaker 2>known statue being a never before applied statue being applied

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<v Speaker 2>to the son of the president. Right, they chose the

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<v Speaker 2>line of that. Republicans are now at the centerfold. They're

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<v Speaker 2>the example, they're the target of prosecutors. Well, no, Maryland

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<v Speaker 2>mostly is not a Republican.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a Republican, Joos, the prosecutor now attached to

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<v Speaker 3>the Hunter Biden case. That was the one who went

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<v Speaker 3>after Maryland people.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, a conservative who's really in the shop and the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's in the tank for you know, their size.

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<v Speaker 2>So the truth is is it wouldn't feel so goddamn

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<v Speaker 2>disingenuine and so dishonest and so wrong if they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>so selective about their usage. And it's already clear they

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<v Speaker 2>don't really have fidelity to fact or the truth. They

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<v Speaker 2>just need whatever the narrative is to fit their scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now it happens to be Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, y'all, we're gonna take a quick break and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll be right down. So just to take this a

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<v Speaker 3>step further, we're talking about the ways in which Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's justice system should be everybody's justice system. We are

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<v Speaker 3>not trying to take him into the oppression of ours.

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<v Speaker 3>I know he thinks he's oppressed, but you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>oppression yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's press the work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's roll this clip.

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<v Speaker 4>If Donald Trump can be a felon and be president,

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<v Speaker 4>then we absolutely, without a doubt in this country need

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure felon is removed off of all job applications,

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<v Speaker 4>felon is removed off of rental applications, felon is removed

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<v Speaker 4>off of professional certifications things like dentists, massage therapists, realtors,

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<v Speaker 4>mortgage loan officers. Those are professional certifications, anything like that

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<v Speaker 4>that felon needs to be removed off of it. Because

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<v Speaker 4>the highest position in the land should be the most

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<v Speaker 4>sacred and should be the example for everybody in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not a political post. This is an equal

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity post, and this is a post that is about

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<v Speaker 4>not holding down the everyday average American citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I love this because I think that it demonstrates for

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<v Speaker 3>people who have been privileged not to have had any

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<v Speaker 3>entanglement with the criminal justice system. You don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>many areas it gimpax. Absolutely, do you know that if

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<v Speaker 3>you have a felony on your record, you can't even

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<v Speaker 3>get pre checked TSA pre checked for a certain amount

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<v Speaker 3>of time, you cannot get global entry for a certain

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<v Speaker 3>amount of time.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot live in the housing authority with your family.

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<v Speaker 1>If a housing authority really may not.

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<v Speaker 2>Live in federal housing as a felon. Wow, with that label.

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<v Speaker 3>The scarlet letter. That makes life harder for you, more

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<v Speaker 3>expensive for you, more inconvenient for you. And I know

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<v Speaker 3>that people would argue that that is the price you

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<v Speaker 3>pay for being convicted. But what if you were wrongfully convicted?

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<v Speaker 3>What if you were convicted as a child but you

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<v Speaker 3>were tried as an adult. What if you made a mistake?

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<v Speaker 3>And what is the point if we keep saying you

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<v Speaker 3>were rehabilitated. We say that the system is supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be about rehabilitation, but is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Ever? It only feels like punishment to our folks.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're convicted, like if you had a like

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<v Speaker 1>a public defender who was encouraging you get a plea deal,

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<v Speaker 1>because it just goes to trial.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be worse.

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<v Speaker 2>So just tak it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're innocent and you're the only person with no

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<v Speaker 1>law degree here and everybody's telling you just plead your

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<v Speaker 1>case out. I do want to point out, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that clip that you played ban the box legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgive me for being overpaired because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where it stands federally, but locally, this was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>piece of legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>Across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you so, can you talk about it a bit?

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<v Speaker 1>I want people to know ban the box legislation is

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<v Speaker 1>when that is removed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. We don't ask about any previous criminal offenses

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<v Speaker 2>period in the application process, and only after the job

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<v Speaker 2>has been offered do we check your criminal background history

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<v Speaker 2>to see if the if the event has anything to do,

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<v Speaker 2>is that a financial crime? And we just hired you

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<v Speaker 2>as the bookkeeper? And then there is a conversation, not

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<v Speaker 2>even a withdrawal of the offer, a conversation so that

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<v Speaker 2>we can get into the nuance of what happened and

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<v Speaker 2>decide that that's still a movie you want to make. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so it measures people from their merit, not off

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<v Speaker 2>of the mistake you made, but it measures you on

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<v Speaker 2>your Are you qualified for the position? Do you have

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<v Speaker 2>the upper pos previous experience that will add to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the role. And if you meet that off of

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<v Speaker 2>the content of your person and the qualifications you present,

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<v Speaker 2>you get offered the job. And unfortunately, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that there are various versions of this that exists around

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<v Speaker 2>the country. But where's the wholesale, you know, movement of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is the movement? The brother went through any number

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<v Speaker 2>of different feels at which this question is asking becomes

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<v Speaker 2>an immediate disqualifier for the position, an immediately disqualifier in

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<v Speaker 2>his jury. Well, the same thing about jury. If you

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<v Speaker 2>have a felony, that should.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the main person because you know what it is

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<v Speaker 1>like on the inside. And if you're deciding somebody's liberty,

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<v Speaker 1>you all.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what it's like on the inside. But you also

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<v Speaker 2>know what it's like to have a system gained against you.

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<v Speaker 2>Everywhere nowhere in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>You can serve on a jeury.

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<v Speaker 2>You may not.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you and and in most places you certainly

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<v Speaker 2>can't vote, You certainly don't get to vote automatically. But

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what I'm saying. This is a moment, the

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<v Speaker 2>brother said. This is this brother said, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>a political statement. Is an equal opportunity, And this is

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<v Speaker 2>right because I think that's what we want to achieve,

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<v Speaker 2>even in this mini pod, which is if it is

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<v Speaker 2>good for the goosen, it's good for the gander. If

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<v Speaker 2>there are, if there are pieces of this that we

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<v Speaker 2>truly are critical love that you think do not serve us,

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<v Speaker 2>the people or the system, then this man to let

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<v Speaker 2>then then then then let's take this thing to the carpet.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take it all the way through. Let's let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>think about it through its logical conclusion. What are the

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<v Speaker 2>many ways listed out in which the system does not

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<v Speaker 2>serve us, and rather it acts against us, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not to the betterment of society, but rather simply to

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<v Speaker 2>be punitive or to get back at somebody. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 2>believe that, then let's go through and let's figure out

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<v Speaker 2>those pieces that we have to remove. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>if we can find common calls there, because their version

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<v Speaker 2>of common cause is simply saying, ah, he's a felony

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<v Speaker 2>and now he can relate to black and brown people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's in bold right, that then begin to get on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's disrespectful, it's disingenuous, it's not true, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's malarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me you don't know black people. What I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know black people, and it's real, and that ridiculously.

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<v Speaker 4>Ra.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think we got to use the moment if

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<v Speaker 2>we could as a co opt and I also think

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<v Speaker 2>it requires us to really interrogate the language that we use.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>We refer to people what, regardless of their qualifications and

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<v Speaker 2>what they bring society, is simply a felon.

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<v Speaker 3>And one thing I want to just point out, Lolo

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<v Speaker 3>put in our research that as of now, thirty seven

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<v Speaker 3>states in over one hundred and fifty cities and counties

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<v Speaker 3>have implemented some form of being in the box legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I really appreciate you all leaning into this topic.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the person that's coming to mind and it

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<v Speaker 3>has just has been very heavy on my spirit. In

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<v Speaker 3>addition to Marilyn Moseby and what we're seeing her go

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<v Speaker 3>through on the other side of a conviction is Crystal Mason,

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<v Speaker 3>who of course is the black woman in Texas who

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<v Speaker 3>was convicted of a felony, was trying to get re

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<v Speaker 3>engaged in society, goes to vote and then faced five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Her conviction was overturned and then they went right back

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<v Speaker 3>at her. So we'll see what happens with Our prayers

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<v Speaker 3>and thoughts are certainly with Crystal and we hope for

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<v Speaker 3>the balancing scales of justice. This has been remarkable to

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<v Speaker 3>watch all the contortions that people will make for one man.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully they can figure out how to do it for

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<v Speaker 3>all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, level it up. If it's good for him or

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<v Speaker 2>bad for him, then then then consider whether it's good

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<v Speaker 2>or bad for the rest of us.

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