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Speaker 4: Have there been any pieces of history that you grew

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Speaker 1: That's so fascinating medium, So the many fascinating things you

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Speaker 1: I love you too, my Patty baby. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I've known you since you were a new baby.

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Speaker 1: In my twenties. Your nickname again, Beaver.

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Speaker 1: Would you say so?

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Speaker 1: That beaver, The history of Beaver. All right, well, Patty,

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