1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: When I wrote, y'all all across the usc Conston match 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: faith to al a from on the California the valley 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: that Kelly County. So if you're keeping it reil on 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: your side of your town, you tune into Gangster Chronicles. 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: The goals were gonna tell you how we go. If 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: I lie my nose a girl like Pinocchio, We're gonna 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: tell you to choosing nothing but the Gangster Chronic goals. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: This is not your average show. You're now tuned into 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: the rail m c A, Big James and Bi stairs 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: from the streets. Hello, we like to welcome ever we 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: want to another episode of the Gangster Chronicles podcast. I 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: think we all remember the movie American Me UM, and 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: I think most of all, we remember the ensuing controversy 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: surrounding the movie. UM. A lot of people wound up 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: getting murd a lot of people wound up getting beat up. 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: It was just a lot of mess with the movie. 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 1: And it seems like UM and a lot of people 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: haven't talked about it. Man, But we have a guy 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: here today that has a whole podcast dedicated to the 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,279 Speaker 1: American Meet movie and the aftermath of things that happen. 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: Alex Famiro. That's right. Yeah, man, thanks, uh thanks for 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: having me. No, I appreciate it, Oh for sure, brother, 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: So what made you decide to investigate this man? You know? Um, 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: honestly it's started by me. Uh hearing Danny trejo um 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: promote his autobiography. He was he was doing kind of 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: the rounds on podcasts and whatnot, and he was talking 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: about how in this movie American Meat, which is a 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: movie directed by Edward James, almost super respected. If if 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: people know who e j Al, they've seen him, right, 30 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: it's like standing Deliver, Battlestar Galactica, Miami Vice. This guy's 31 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: he's one of the most um yeah, prolific and just legendary, right, 32 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: like he's our Denzel, you know what I mean? And 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: uh and this was his directorial debut. So Traino starts 34 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: doing on this podcast and telling this story about how, um, 35 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: up to eight to ten people may have been murdered 36 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: in connection with the making of this movie. And I 37 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: was like what And I didn't grow up here, right, 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Like I grew up in Miami. I'm Latino, I'm I'm Cuban, 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: but I grew up this is a Chicano story, right, 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: So if you grew up in l A. This is 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: a movie you have not only seen, you've watched it 42 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: to death. You know all the characters like you know. 43 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: But for me, it's like it's a movie i'd seen, 44 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: I was aware of, you know, um, but not something 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: that was like built into the fabric of my culture. 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: So when I'm hearing this backstory, this is, this is 47 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: these are rumors that now I know that the people 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: who grew up in l they've been hearing this the 49 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: whole time. But for me, this was news. And then 50 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Trey Hoo's book comes out and there's an entire chapter 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: called American Me in which he talks about meeting with 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: Edward James almost who wanted to like I guess, you know, 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Trey ho it was an associate of the Mexican mafia. 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Um means he wasn't in it, but he was sort 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: of down with everybody and he was respected. So he 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: met with Edward James almost for a part maybe or 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: maybe just to like suss out some of the behind 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the scenes stuff before the movie was made. And he 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: just started telling these kind of stories that sounded strange, 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, sounded um wild, and and I really wanted 61 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: to get down too. And then I started looking for 62 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: Edward James almost his response to this stuff, right, like 63 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: what had he said over the years about this and 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: then it's like not a peep, you know, And he said, 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the things he went through before playing 66 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: a major role in him not responding to this stuff. Yeah, 67 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean that is the thought, right, Like, we interviewed 68 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people, um for this podcast. Uh, and 69 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: it seems like we're trying to we we've been trying 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: to figure out and I'm not you know, I don't 71 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: want to spoil anything people podcast, but it's either Edward 72 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: James almost has just decided that he's never going to 73 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: bring this up again, or there's like some sort of 74 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: a street n d A, you know what I mean, 75 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: some sort of a street non disclosure agreement that happened. 76 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Because the other, right, is that he paid a big 77 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: extortion rans that was the other thing, that he was 78 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 1: threatened and that he had to pay an extortion ransom. 79 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: And we have records, you know, um of of him 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: filing for a concealed carry permit right at the time 81 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: that this is going down. We have testimony and other 82 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: court trials where people have sort of flipped and then 83 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: brought up the details behind this case. So but you 84 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: know behind all of this, you know, to me, the 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: most unfortunate thing is when you look at this, when 86 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: you take all the gangster stuff out, what you have 87 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: is a movie with the most legendary Latino actor at 88 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: the time getting to direct the movie that stars Chicano's 89 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: that's made by where the crew is Chicano right about 90 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: a Chicano culture and neighborhood. This should have been our godfather, 91 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, this should have been 92 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: the thing that it's like, Oh, and then this guy 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: became our al Pacino, and this guy became a Robert 94 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: de Niro, and every James almost is now are sort 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: of like Martin Scorsese, and he's making twenty of these movies. 96 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: And that didn't happen. And I think a lot of 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: the reason that it didn't happen has to do with 98 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: the fallout that came after well, you know the thing 99 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: he is Like you've mentioned that you are a Latino, 100 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: but you're from the East Coast. The thing he is, Um, 101 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: that's what I tell people. Being a Latino was not binary. 102 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: It's like you have the puorto regions that grew up 103 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: in New York and Miami. It's a whole different dynamic 104 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: on the West Coast because everything is influenced by gang culture, 105 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: so to speak, not everything, but a lot of things. 106 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: And I think this was one of those things that 107 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: would be heavily influenced by gang culture that you know, 108 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: you have one guy in the penitentiary to decide to 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: make a phone call, it's going down, yeah, you know, 110 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: like our the lord we grew up with, the kind 111 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: of hood lord that we grew up with was all 112 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: around the cartels, right and the cocaine trade. Like I 113 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: grew up with guys straight up who's like parents were 114 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: killed because they were laundering money for the cartels or um, 115 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, or who's whose parents were involved in drug trafficking, 116 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we grew up. The 117 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: exaggerated movie version of that ship is Scarface obviously, which 118 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: I maybe that's next season. I have a bunch of 119 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: problems with Scarface, but but it's that was more our lord, 120 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: less the street gang and prison gang thing, which you 121 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: really experience out here. And from what I've come to 122 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: understand that I am a at the time and maybe 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: still now war like the baddest motherfucker's around. Oh, they 124 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: still are very much effectory. It's like, Um, we've had 125 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: episodes and I won't speak too much on them, but 126 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: we've had episodes where we've interviewed hitting Man. Yeah, you know, 127 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: we've got phone calls later on the episode can't come out. Yeah, 128 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: And you know, we may have spent a lot of 129 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: time editing this stuff and you know, really good material, 130 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: but you know, people's lives are stakes, so it gets real. 131 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: And that's why we decided to move away from some 132 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: of that stuff because it's just too much some time. Yeah. 133 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: And and and in this podcast, you know, we're not we 134 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: want to get down to the closest thing we can 135 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: to the truth of what really happens. But we're not 136 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: terribly Look, we have two things working in our favorite 137 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: one is that this was thirty years ago. This is 138 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: the thirtieth anniversary of the movie coming out, so it's 139 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: been a minute, you know. Um. But the other thing 140 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: is that, like, we don't need to put people on 141 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: blast in order to sort out what's not real and 142 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: what might be real. Right, Um, Fortunately for us, and 143 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: very recent suddenly, we had a conversation with a subject 144 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: who will not and cannot be named, who was a 145 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: former heavy in LAMI, and who basically told us that 146 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, in his opinion, Edward James almost has nothing 147 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: to worry about these days. You know, Um, he did 148 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: at a point in time, but that these days he doesn't. 149 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: And and the reason that I make that a point 150 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: is because I can tell you, man, and you know 151 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: this making podcasts I have taught. I have been out 152 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: to or talked to almost every single person who is 153 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: involved in the making of this movie. And I cannot 154 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: tell you how many, like an overwhelming amount of them 155 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: have told me I won't talk about this because primary 156 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: reason I don't want to get Edward James almost hurt. 157 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: That's that's what people are talking. That's the impact that 158 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: these events left. They scarred people thirty years and they 159 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: still think that Everard James almost his life could be 160 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: in danger if they say anything about me living in 161 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: love saying is I'm originally from Cleveland, Ohio, but I've 162 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: been out here since and I'm an old man. Now. 163 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: Of course it's real, man, it's real. And I tell 164 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: people sometimes like the stuff you hear, like we just 165 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: had a guy yesterday that was murdered having lunch of 166 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: dinner at a restaurant with his wife. He had gulry 167 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: on and and he was killed. Man. You know, they 168 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: just didn't robbed and they took his life from him. 169 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: So l a street culture man is like a whole 170 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: different level man, because they don't give a funk about 171 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: who you are, how famous you are. Fame doesn't body 172 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: protect you. Um, it doesn't matter who you really know 173 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: out here, because there's no king of lost angers, so 174 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: to speak. So it's almost like anybody can get it 175 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sure. Yeah, 176 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: but but you know something really interesting that I think 177 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: we've discovered or come across. It's just that, like I 178 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: think the misic I think people don't understand how much 179 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: of this is a business, you know what I mean. 180 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: Like these dudes are our are and sophisticated. You know 181 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: a lot of their operations are are run the way 182 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean fortune are run right, and so they don't 183 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: it's not the type of thing where they're like, you 184 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: know what, I think, today is a good day to 185 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: put a hit on a super high profile civilian, you 186 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You gotta do something to merit 187 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: that or there's gotta be a check, right, There's gotta 188 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: be there's gotta be some money in it, right, And 189 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: I think that's the situation that ever, James almost found 190 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: himself and he made some creative decisions and took some 191 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: creative liberties that in any other context would just be 192 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: making a movie, you know, but he did it. He 193 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: messed with the wrong guys. And then those guys, Yeah, yeah, 194 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:48,119 Speaker 1: they didn't like a lot of that ship. Oh yeah, 195 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he got, he got, he got. Before the 196 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: movie came out, they were requesting the script, you know. 197 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean that was a question I had, was like, 198 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: are these guys really like reading the script? What's that? 199 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: And they knew the movie was being made up? Oh 200 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: hell yeah. You know. Partially why though, because the two 201 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: reasons to really cool things about the movie that unfortunately 202 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: have sort of been overshadowed because of all this stuff 203 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: and are related to it is one, this movie took 204 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: real gang members from Ramona Gardens and boil Hides and 205 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: cast them as actors in the movie. And we're talking 206 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: about rival gang members, right, um, members of the Hazard 207 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: Street Gang for example, And these guys were acting in 208 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: the movie as characters. The second amazing thing is that 209 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: every James almost managed to shoot. He claims it was 210 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: the first time. I haven't been able to corroborate that yet, 211 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: but I also have been able to to uh prove 212 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: it wrong. But he's he comes is the first time 213 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: ever that a movie was shot amongst jam pop in 214 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: fulsome prison and he had real prisoners acting in that movie. 215 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: And you can see all of this in a documentary 216 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: that was made simul taneous to the movie called Lives 217 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: and Hazard. It's actually on YouTube, not the best copy 218 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: of it, but it's on YouTube. And I spoke to 219 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: these filmmakers and so he did it. So of course 220 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: the gang was gonna know. I mean, allegedly, Edward James 221 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: almost reached out to Joe Morgan, who's you know, one 222 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: of the characters his named j D. He's a not 223 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: He's a white guy in a gang called the Mexican Mafia. 224 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like people associate that with Joe Morgan. 225 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: He reached out to Joe peg like Morgan, who was 226 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: one of the most famous members of LAMI, to ask 227 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: for permission, and from what we've heard, Everging's almost says 228 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: he got permission. Danny Trejo says he didn't get permission, 229 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: and this third source says they never even had the 230 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: fucking meeting because Joe Morgan was like, get the funk 231 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: out of here. I'm not talking to this guy, you know. 232 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: So so of course they knew because they had to know. 233 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: M hm. So let me ask you this man, Joe Morgan. Right, 234 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: let's say, because I'm gonna tell you this is very 235 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: is the possibility what could have possibly happened. Let's say 236 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: he went to Joe Morgan, could have deal with him 237 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: and you know, a possibly gave Joe Morgan some money. 238 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: If Joe Morrigan's higher ups I heard about this, they 239 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: could have possibly got piste off at Joe Morgan and said, 240 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: what the funk are you doing? We're not allowing him 241 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: to do that, and that automatically cancels out of another 242 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: fire as any deal he may have made made previously. 243 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: It's very possible. But here's the thing. One, the logistics 244 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: of it sounds like and we'll get it, we get 245 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: into this in the podcast, people will find out, but like, 246 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: there are logistical reasons why that's not possible, right, And 247 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: and the second thing is Edward James almost. You know, 248 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm I can, I can share this, and I think 249 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are listen, who are going 250 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: to listen to this podcast. I've seen the movie. There 251 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: are scenes of pretty graphic sexual assault, mail on mail 252 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: on the main character of the film, and no, who's 253 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be based on a real badass dude who 254 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: helped found the gang named Cheyenne throughout and that's Santana, 255 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: that's Edward James almost a character. And so I don't 256 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: think they're ever gonna fucking rubber stamp that movie, right 257 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: because they're like, you know, first of all, this didn't happen. 258 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: Second of all, what the fuck? You know what I mean, 259 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: You're you're using this as a way to emasculate us, right, 260 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: And that's that goes to the whole motive for why 261 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: the movie was made. Because the movie was made as 262 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: a piece of propaganda. It was made because Edward James 263 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: almost was seeing the bloodshed on the streets of Los 264 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Angeles for ten plus years. You know, it's not remember 265 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: this this is the Rodney king ryant here, you know 266 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like the Los Angeles is a powder 267 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: keg of violence at that time, and Edward James almost 268 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: is like, I want to do something that encourages kids 269 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: not to join these gangs. But his strategy was flawed, right. 270 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: His strategy was, I'm basically gonna say things about these 271 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: really serious guys that that they're not that that are. 272 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna make them look bad in ways that they're 273 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: not going to be happy with. And he took that 274 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: risk and it did not pan out. Yeah, those dudes 275 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: don't play no games. Of course, those guys don't play 276 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: no games. Man. I won't mix any names, but I have, uh, 277 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I know someone who was doing some business with them, 278 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: no drugs or whatever. His actual higher up, like the 279 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: guy that was over him actually snitched on him and 280 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: put everything on him and he couldn't say a word. 281 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: I didn't say a word for fear of his life. 282 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: And he's been in there for maybe the past twenty 283 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: five years for some shing he didn't do. I mean, look, 284 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: this is this is something that I've also learned. Honor 285 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: is very important to these guys, and loyalty is very 286 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,359 Speaker 1: important to them. I mean I have heard of instances 287 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: involving this film where one guy took the rat for 288 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: something that another guy did just because he's his brother, 289 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: protect him, you know, um. And you know they're like 290 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: they're one of the rumors. For example, this is a 291 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: good example. One of the rumors is that there was 292 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: a bounty on Edward James, almost his head, right, that 293 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: mafia was like, anybody who kills this guy will get 294 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: That's not how it works, right, That's not how it 295 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: works at all, because the mafia will kill someone for 296 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: the as it was put to us, for the honor 297 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: of being able to sort of defend the name of 298 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: the organ and the organ itself. You don't need to 299 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: put a bounty on something. They don't need to put 300 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: on anyone. They don't pay anybody to kill somebody. They 301 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: carry out their function, their specific job function. Correct. Let 302 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: me ask you this. Have you have you, guys, been 303 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: worried about any kind of retribution towards your way with 304 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: doing this podcast. A lot of people have asked us that. 305 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Obviously I would, I don't want any, but you know, 306 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: our approach is to be very respect full of the 307 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: folks that are involved, to treat them as they are, 308 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: which are human beings, you know, um, and and again 309 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: to try to understand what it is they actually do 310 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, and what they don't do, you know, what's 311 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: rumor and what's not, and let them tell their own story, 312 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: you know. Like all the stuff that I'm saying is 313 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: is stuff that I'm kind of coming to understand, but 314 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: it's I'm still not an expert and I'm not these guys, 315 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: and you know, so we're we're trying to approach it 316 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: with the level of respect, you know, and and and 317 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: and we're trying to avoid speculation, right. Like the other 318 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: thing is that a lot of this stuff is public 319 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: record at this point. You know, Um, there's nobody nobody's 320 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: being slandered, nobody's being defamed, right And I'm not having 321 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: opinions about the actions of specific people or members of 322 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: the organization, you know. So that's that's been our approach, 323 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: and and and a lot of the podcast is also 324 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: about the movie, right, Like it is about this stuff 325 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: behind this, but it's also about like what could have 326 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: been with this film and what what was what did 327 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: happen with Like, you know, a beautiful thing that happened 328 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: with this film is some of these guys who acted 329 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: in the movie. One in particular has a great story, 330 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: but some of these guys, their whole lives change because 331 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: they participated in this movie. One guy in this movie 332 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: became a casting director. He went from being a member 333 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: of the Hazard Hazard Gang to becoming a casting director 334 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: in Who was this guy? Yeah, his name is Gil 335 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: Um and Um and he uh he became an extras 336 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: uh casting person and an actor himself. He you can 337 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: see it in the in the Lives and Hazard Um 338 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: Gil Spinoza in the Lives and Hazard Um documentary. It 339 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: starts there, But I spoke to his partner of like 340 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: his business partner of like twenty years. Who was he 341 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: was the extras He was a young guy, the assistant 342 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: extras casting guy who cast helped cast Gill in that 343 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: movie White Dude from Ohio. Actually and uh and and 344 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: then Gil went to work with the cast they both 345 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: work for, and then they branched out and started their 346 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: own firm. And it's yet. He talks about it in 347 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: the dock. He's like, this has changed my life. You know, 348 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: that's incredible. You know, we're going to take a quick break, 349 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: but when we come back, I want to talk about 350 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: some of the other things that may have happened to 351 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: people that worked on American Meet Games. The clients as 352 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Okay, we just talked about some 353 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: of the guys that changed their lives for the better 354 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: in the making of this film. Did we have anyone 355 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: that suffered the opposite backlash? Well, not to give too 356 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: much away, because I know you've got no, no, no, 357 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: but there's certain stuff, folks. Look, this is what this 358 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: is what is most commonly known about the film. It's 359 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: not a secret. There were at least three people whose 360 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: murders are nected to the making of the film. And 361 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: I think the word connected is very important because what 362 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: we don't know is whether they were killed because they 363 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: participated in the film. One of them, very famously, for example, 364 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: is a woman named Anna Lisa. Ana from one end 365 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: of the spectrum in the community was a very respected 366 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: woman who was a gang interventionist. From the other end 367 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: of the spectrum in the community, she was a snitch. 368 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: You know. Um, a woman who had really provoked and 369 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: upset a lot of folks who I certainly wouldn't want 370 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: to upset. You know, Um, so and and so Anna 371 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: comes into this movie is a game consultant, right. So 372 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: the question that we had to ask was is this 373 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: movie the reason that she got murdered. She was shot 374 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: I think thirteen times in her front yard. Um. Her 375 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: her assailants were one of her sunds was captured. UM. 376 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: And he was a member of the Mexican mafia. UM. 377 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: And so the question is, was it this movie, Was 378 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: this the straw that broke the camel's back or did 379 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: the movie really play almost none, if no, role, you know, 380 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: in the killing. But there are a lot of arrows pointing, 381 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: let's say, from the movie to why she got to 382 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: to her to the point of where she got. She 383 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: got killed just a couple of months after the movie 384 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: came out, right, so a few months after the movie 385 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: came out. So, so it's and and so did you 386 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: know a guy named Rocky Luna, another guy named Charlie Manriquez. UM. 387 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: So we know these three folks who were all associated 388 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: with the gang world right and with the Mexican Mafia 389 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: ended up dead after the making of this and this 390 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, the rumor mill is like, oh, it's because 391 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: they were in the movie. Well, you know, as we 392 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: dig into this is not quite so sim bull you know, yeah, 393 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: for sure. You know. One of one of the things 394 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: I found interesting is that, according to California State police 395 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: documents and court records. American Me is considered historical, fixing 396 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: the row and the epic tale of one Hispanic man's 397 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: journey through the California prison system. I'll call shenanigans on 398 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: that stuff right there, because you know it's the true story, correct. 399 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: I would say it isn't. You know, I would say 400 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: it isn't because I think Edwards James, I think Edward 401 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: James almost wanted people to think it was. But like 402 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: in full respect of again Cheyenne, Joe Morgan, other people 403 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: who are associated with the film, that's not their story. 404 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, a lot of details in that story 405 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: were completely made up. You know, That's what I was 406 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: going to say. Do you think the reason this guy 407 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: may have had the problems he had was because he 408 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: took the liberty of embelace and maybe a little too 409 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: much percent. I think that was that I had to 410 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: do with it. You know, we get down to artists 411 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: to liberty here and like what you know, because from 412 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: what I've heard, members of Liaman actually liked the movie. 413 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: You know, I mean that movie in many ways um 414 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: expanded the knowledge of their like brand. You know. You know, 415 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: there's the old expression all all all presses, good press, 416 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, But they took issue 417 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: with this idea that this ship was like based based 418 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: on members of the gang, because it's just so much 419 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: ship was made up. And so if you asked the 420 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: average person to see this movie, they think it's real 421 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: life stuff. They think it's a biopique man about. But 422 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: I think that's where the problem comes. Exact. Let me 423 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: tell you, the original script made no mention of the 424 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: Mexican Mafia. The script had been bouncing around for a 425 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: long time. In fact, at one point al Pacino himself 426 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: was attached to play the lead role. And then after 427 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: Scarface sort of became like politically incorrect for this Italian 428 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: guy to go. He played a Cuban, now he's gonna 429 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: go a Mexican, you know. Um. But but it bounced 430 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: around for a while, and then it finally came across 431 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: Edward James almost at a time where his star was 432 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: really rising. You know, he had not got nominated for 433 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: standing deliver for the Oscar, for playing high scale, and 434 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: and so it was it was it was his idea 435 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: to root it in East l A and thereby rooting 436 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: it in this gang that that had ties to that area. 437 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: But had he not done that, it would have been 438 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: Blood and Blood Out right like which is another movie 439 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: that came out just one year after that didn't have 440 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: any other consequences. Well, that's what I was going to 441 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: say if you noticed the difference between the two, because 442 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: there have been several you know, Mexican you know, movies 443 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: about the Chicano experience, right, and none of them garnered 444 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: the criticism that American media like you haven't. I haven't 445 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: heard any about anybody from Boulevard Nights getting smoked. I 446 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: haven't heard about anybody from Blood even Blood Out getting 447 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: beat up or somebody getting text But with this guy, 448 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: I think he probably just told a bunch of lives 449 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: and stuff that probably wasn't necessarily true. Well, and I 450 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: think it's the I think it's the quality of the lives. 451 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: Is the type of lies that he told, you know, 452 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: they're just the big question for me is could you 453 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: have made a movie that dissuaded kids from joining gangs 454 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: without making stuff up about it's very specific people. I 455 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: always think that people sometimes have an agenda when they 456 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: premise everything or we're gonna try to use this to 457 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: stop kids. I think man everybody is trying to make money. 458 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: They're trying to make the most delacious piece of content 459 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: that they can is going to get the most attention, 460 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: and I think it was one of those things. Well, 461 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: if I at text the Mexican Mafia's name of this 462 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: is sure to blow up. But I don't know if 463 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: he knew the consequences would be what they were. It's possible, 464 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: but we explore that angle in the podcast too. And 465 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, one thing I have to say about Edward James, 466 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: almost aside from being very talented, is that he is 467 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: a guy who sees himself I think, first and foremost 468 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: as an activist and secondly as an actor. He's also 469 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: made decisions in his career that I had the opposite effect. 470 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: For example, we heard that he was offered the role 471 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: in um Uh in the Line of Fire, the or 472 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: the Yeah and the one with Clint Eastwood where he 473 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: plays the the Secret Service guys protecting the press. They 474 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: wanted Riginals to play the John Malkovich character, and and 475 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: it was like a pretty meaty part, you know, um 476 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I think Malkovich might have 477 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: been nominated for that role even but Averriginal said no, 478 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: because he's like, I'm not gonna put this face, a 479 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: Chicano Latino face and name as a character that's trying 480 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: to assassinate the president. Right. So, like to me, there's 481 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: a guy I was turning down high profile, buzzy opportunities 482 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: because he really believes in the cause. You know, I 483 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: just think that sometimes people I am, I actually think 484 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: it's the opposite problem. If I'm honest with you, I 485 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: think that he just told a good story. It might 486 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: have had the effect he wanted to, but none of 487 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: this would happen. Instead, he decided to make like a P. 488 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: S A. You know, by the way, I really well 489 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: made p. S A because a shot beautifully had acted beautifully, 490 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, And because of that agenda, I think 491 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: that's what screwed him up. Yeah, man, you know, because 492 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: we have somebodies dropped because of this. Um. You know 493 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: the guy Charles Charlie Brown Manriquez, you know, who was 494 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: a Mexican Mafia member and unofficial I guess he was 495 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: an unofficial like consultant to the film or whatever. He 496 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: got murdered, you know, inside of the projects, and um, 497 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: you know he was in the project. There was a 498 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: m a stronghold, so he got Then we got lady 499 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: that you talked about how do you say your last name? Yes, 500 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: you have to see it that way, man, because if 501 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: I try to rule the ours like you, I'm gonna 502 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: mess it up. You know, she was murdered. Then you 503 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: got the guy. Another guy that was Rocky Lunae Rocky 504 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Luna that was murdered. Man. You know, and you have 505 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: so much depth surrounding this movie. Man, this man obviously 506 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: pissed somebody off, somebody was mad. But that's only allegedly 507 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: if they had something to do with it. Because we 508 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: can't go around saying that this is the thing and 509 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: and and that and that um and that if they 510 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: did murder people, that it was because of the movie, right, 511 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: because each of those folks, when you start to dig 512 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: into their backstory a little bit, we're doing things that 513 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: if that we're not um popular, right uh with with 514 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: the Mexican Mafia, things that were often seen as either 515 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, um degrading or or um or or or 516 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: or treasonous. You know, and and like we've said, you know, 517 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: these are men that take their sort of honor in 518 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: the name of that organization very seriously. So you know 519 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: there are consequences for those actions. M You know, have 520 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: you guys got to talk to any members on the podcast? 521 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: You guys talked to any members of the Mexican Mafia. 522 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: We talked to one member so far. We're still we're 523 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: still rolling out episodes, believe it or not. We talked 524 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: to one member so far. His his uh interview will 525 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: be off the record, and in fact, we're gonna have to. 526 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna get an actor to um to basically portray him, um, 527 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: because he would like his identity kept very secret. I 528 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: don't blame no me neither um. But yeah, he was 529 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: a former high ranking member of LAMAN who had direct 530 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: knowledge of this situation. Wow, So I'm looking at this 531 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: right the Mexican Mafia's current I guess Orange County boss. 532 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: So they have a separate boss in Orange County that 533 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: they do l a county. Um, I don't, I don't know. 534 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: Actually I'm not sure. Are you familiar with this guy, 535 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: Peter the Fury yo head No, Okay, it says that 536 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: he's in the thing right now, but that that's the thing. Man, 537 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: pretty big organization. It's a huge organization because I'm looking 538 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: at they have for Orange County Boss, Orange County is 539 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: not small. That means they have someone in l a. 540 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: You have so many different factors that that was a 541 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: very ambitious undertaking from the beginning for him to attempt 542 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: to do this movie, because you have so many different factions, man, 543 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: and all it takes is one person to get Piste off. 544 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: You can go get fifty million yes from everybody else, 545 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: but if you don't get the right yes, you can 546 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: pretty much put people's lives in danger. Yeah you can, 547 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, then the the other sort 548 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: of issue we wrestle with a little bit in the 549 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: podcast is like so and and I'm not saying this 550 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: is what happened in this situation, but you do have 551 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: situations where people make a piece of art and then 552 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: they get killed because of that piece of art. Right, 553 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: I would argue that this situation is different because this 554 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: piece of art is like naming specific people. It's you know, 555 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: it's it's almost as if I talk about your brother 556 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: or your friend. Right, it's a little different. But when 557 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: you look at what happened in France with or you 558 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: know or or you know, the whole Charlie Heap boat thing, 559 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: where like you put an image of you know, the 560 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: prophet Mohammed on on something and then people get killed. 561 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: Is where is the line with creative license? Where where 562 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: is the artist? Like? Where should the artists stop right 563 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: with us doing both what we do for a living. 564 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: I think the line with creative liberties should be set 565 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: down when it puts people lives in danger. I mean, look, 566 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: I understand, you know, it's just something because I love art. Man, 567 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm all about telling the great story. I think that's 568 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: what we both do. We do give you all about 569 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: telling the story. But when you know that story that 570 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: you're telling could possibly piss some people off and possibly 571 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: put your own family in danger, you put yourself in danger, 572 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: you put those around you in danger. I think it's 573 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: just some stories not worth telling. I mean, look, I've 574 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: made a couple of projects. I've done a couple of 575 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: projects already where there have been people involved. Uh. You 576 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: know the last project I did for HBO Max. It's 577 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: called Manula Forever Young, Right. It's about the boy band 578 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: Menoula seemingly like ha ha, funny eighties like guys and 579 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: like her pants. You know that that story involves an 580 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: unfortunate amount of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse. That happened 581 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: to the those kids, and we don't hold many you know, 582 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: we don't really hold back in terms of the way 583 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: we you know, talk about the folks who perpetrated the 584 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: or who allegedly perpetrated those things on those kids. I 585 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: think that the problem for me is when you tell 586 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: a story that a isn't true and be that you 587 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: um do I mean, look, he went to such great 588 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: lengths to make American me look real and feel real, 589 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: and then you're going to change details. I don't know, man, 590 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, like it would have been a very different 591 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: story had he actually gotten the blessing of the people involved. 592 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying, man. I think, um, as creators, 593 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: we have to take a responsibility. We can tell the 594 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: greatest story in the world, but especially when you're documenting 595 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: something that you know real, you want to tell the truth. Yeah, 596 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: you don't want to embliss anything. You want to tell 597 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: the truth. And you want to try to take um 598 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: you want to be you don't want to get get 599 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: your creativity stuff stifle. But I think it's our responsibility 600 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: to always portray people in the way they want to 601 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: be seen and make sure they're cool with that I agree. 602 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, look, hindsight is I think Edward 603 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: James almost is. I mean, look at someone I really 604 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: respect um and and I think that his heart was 605 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: in the right place when he was making American me. 606 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: I just think that, especially coming from a documentary standpoint, 607 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: I don't like to. I think you've got to treat 608 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: everybody like everybody's a human being, right, I don't care. 609 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: I don't care if you ended up in a gang 610 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: or you're you ended up in a convent, right like, 611 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: we all had the experiences the environment. You see this 612 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: in the in the documentary Lives and Hazard, where these 613 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: these kids didn't grow up with role models, you know, 614 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: or they did grow up a role models. The only 615 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: people willingness to like help them out and take them 616 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: in were other guys who were maybe you know, up 617 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: to things that weren't legal, but they cared for these 618 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: people like no one else did. And so I think 619 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: you need to approach things from that kind of human standpoint. 620 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: And they think some of the decisions that were made 621 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: creatively didn't really offer these guys, uh, they didn't do 622 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: them justice in that way. And that's because you think 623 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: about it, man, and this is One of the things 624 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: that I tell my guys we're interviewing kind of like 625 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: the guys that were the big gangsters, so to speak, 626 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: from back in the day. Some of these guys are pastors. Now. 627 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: Some of these guys are fathers, their husbands, their truck drivers. 628 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: They got good jobs and they don't want necessarily what 629 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: they did thirty forty years ago put on blast in 630 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: front of everybody. You have to really be respectful about 631 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: that because some people grow past the bullshit and they 632 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: want to be pretty much. They don't want their keys 633 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: to find out that their dad was Big Bear from 634 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: one of eleven. You know, they were smoking everybody. No, 635 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: we look. We talked to Milton Grimes, who was one 636 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: of Rodney King's attorneys and he was also uh one 637 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: of Joe Morgan's attorneys, and I asked him, what was 638 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: Joe Morgan like when you met him? And he said, honestly, 639 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: it's like meaning a grandpa, you know, I mean, like 640 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it could have been anybody's Aelo, 641 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: you know when he met him, and that, like, I 642 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: think that's what gets lost a little bit in these conversations, 643 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: is like you're trying to save the next generation. But 644 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: you're also forgetting that the people you're talking about were 645 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: the previous generation. Like you know, they're the same, They're 646 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: just people. And you know, there's a lot of politics 647 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: on the West Coast, so I'm not getting too much stuff. 648 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: But from what I understand, and I'm pretty sure you 649 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: guys are going to correct me if I'm wrong, like 650 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: you always do. I think the Mexican Mafia was started 651 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: in order to protect the Mexicans they were being took 652 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: an advantage of in the country when they first came in. 653 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: I don't know that that was I don't that it's 654 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: that it was so one for no no, But like, 655 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: but you're not. I think you know, the the movie 656 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: starts off with the zoo suit riots, right, and and 657 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: and those types of events definitely played a role in 658 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: why those communities organized to create protection and power. Yeah, 659 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: you have you have let's let's call it how it is. 660 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: You have white Anglo wealthy people coming into those neighborhoods 661 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: and doing as they please, and the police apparatus and 662 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: the car stural state have complete power over those folks. 663 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: So what the funk else are they gonna do? Of 664 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: course they're going to organize to protect their own does it. 665 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: You know, I'm always struck by the I like, I 666 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: like to like learn about the business aspects of these 667 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: things because what they what they showed me. Whether you 668 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: think they're legitimate businesses, they're not, is it. These are 669 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: folks who don't see regular opportunities for upboard mobility, you 670 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I was fortunate my mom, 671 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: My mom and dad were poor. Ast fuck my mom 672 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,479 Speaker 1: grew up. You know. They when they came from Cuba, 673 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: they have anything that I didn't grow up like that. 674 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: I could go to school, I could study, I could 675 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: go to get a college education. You know, a lot 676 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: of these guys that we're talking about, they weren't afforded 677 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: the same ship that I was afforded, and so they're 678 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: creating situation, they're creating opportunities for upper mobility, exactly exactly. 679 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: We can blame them when you look at it like that, 680 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: and you have to be sensitive after that. We just 681 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: can't go out and portray people it's just monsters without 682 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: kind of putting some of the back story to it, 683 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, because because everything is not I'd like to 684 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: say that man, the Mexican coach, the Latino experienced. The 685 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: black experience is not a mono lift man. Everybody's experience 686 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: is different. Like your parents, they came from the situation 687 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: they came. They wanted to do better for you and 688 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: your siblings, right, They didn't want you to go through 689 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: the same stuff. Saying with me, when I came out 690 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: here man from Ohio, I had maybe a hundred dollars 691 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: in my pocket eighteen years old. I was scared to death, 692 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: but I knew if I stayed, you know how, I 693 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: was gonna wind up in prison, dead or when I 694 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: just knew it wasn't a life back there for me, 695 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't a life. The only option we had back 696 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: that was selling dope. That was it, and I didn't 697 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: want to do that. So I said, you know what, 698 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell is gonna happen in California, 699 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: But I played football good enough to where I'm pretty 700 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: sure I could make some things shake. So I was 701 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: on my way. Um, and I think that's the same thing. 702 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: I think we just had people looking for opportunity. I 703 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: think so, and look to be fair. When I look 704 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: at the performances of the guys in that movie, I 705 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of humanity in those performances. You know, 706 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: I look at Danny Viral, Danny de la paz, uh, 707 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: Jacob Vargas, all guys we talked to in the podcast. 708 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: Veriding is almost a performance like, there's a lot of 709 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: humanity in those performances. The problem happened in the script, right, 710 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: The problem happened in the script, And that's the point 711 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: at which there's some de humanization because you're using someone's 712 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: identity basically, and you're twisting it to an end that 713 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: maybe you think is well meaning, but that they see 714 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: it's very harmful. So you know, I don't want the 715 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: whole I really believe, you know, I don't need to 716 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: compare it to other movies, but I will say that 717 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: movie brought a lot of heart and a lot of 718 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: complexity to the characters that were in it. And I 719 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: think that's part of why it's endured and part of 720 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: why I think it's heartbreaking because I see these great performances, 721 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: I see this great cinematograph, I see all this stuff, 722 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: and I go, God, damn it, Like what could have 723 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: been if not for all this other mess Man, it's 724 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: a tragedy because you know, the one thing that always 725 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: struck me about that movie is uh is every time 726 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: I watched it, I wind up. Now I've seen it 727 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: about twenty times, but every time I watched it, I 728 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: see something different, right, Yeah, Like you know what the 729 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: real sad part about that movie was was the dad 730 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: was so beat down. You know, the father was just 731 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: so beat down at some point because you know, you 732 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: figured he read the raise the son of the man 733 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: that raped his wife his girlfriend, right, So he's another 734 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 1: thing that, by the way, was a made up fact 735 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: that was you know, yeah something is embellish, you know. So. 736 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: But the guy you noticed, he was from the same game. 737 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: The dad, he had the same thing, and he's watching 738 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: his young son go out and he's trying to tell 739 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: the mistake in the house and he's not even a 740 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: fact at this point that the kid is going to 741 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: go do what the fun he wants. He's going out 742 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: there and he has this big as hammer and he's 743 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: hooking the paint and ship and he just you know, 744 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: starts dumping. So it's a whole new cycle. But let's 745 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: go into the podcast Something Man, The American Me podcast 746 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: correct more than a movie American Man, more than the 747 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: movie American Media. What is this premiere. It premieres a Thursday, September, 748 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: My heart or or wherever did you get your podcasts? 749 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: Um and uh and we'll the first two episodes will 750 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: drop on on Thursday, September fifteen, and then it will 751 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: be an episode a week after that. There's Dope some 752 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: All my crime. He's out there. You hear that septem 753 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: September fifteen. You know how you'll remember it. It's the 754 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: weird Hispanic Heritage month that they don't give us a 755 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: whole month. They give us two halves, half of September 756 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: and half of I told you so this starts at 757 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, this starts on the fifte September, so September. Man, 758 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: you guys, make sure you subscribe. Um, I'm going to 759 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: have a link to the podcast on this episode right here, 760 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: So make sure you go into the description, click the link, 761 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: go sign up, go leave a comment. Man, let's blow 762 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: this thing up. Man, Dope podcast Man really interesting? And again, 763 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: So Alex, where can people reach out to you that 764 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: they have any questions or anything? I mean, social media 765 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: is probably the easiest way. I'm at angry, Yuka so 766 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: A n g R y y U c A you 767 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: here and hit the homie Alex up man. Tell them 768 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: you like the podcast, tell them what you like about it, 769 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 1: tell them what you want to see him do next. 770 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: And here we go and coming back. We're gonna come back. 771 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this on pnb Rock situation with 772 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: James adies against the Chronicles. We gonna take a quick 773 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: break with you right back. What's happening, y'all know what 774 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: it is. This is another episode of the Gangster Chronicles 775 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: podcast that your boy picked still with the homies, that 776 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: Jake ship. You know, it's a lot of stuff that's 777 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: been going on in the streets of l A. Man. 778 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: Just yesterday, Man, we lost pnb Rock. You know, he 779 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: was gunned down out here unfortunately, man of the restaurant 780 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: with his girl. There's been a lot of conversation about it, man, 781 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: about what's going on in l A. And just a 782 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: situation here. And I'll tell you me for one, man, 783 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: I am so tired of hearing the brothers about brothers 784 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 1: losing their life man over chains and silly ship dog. 785 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: You know, I mean what happened to the days man 786 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: when you robbed somebody? Man, we've done them, walk away 787 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: with your life. I don't know no of days. I 788 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: mean some got away with something. But niggas used to 789 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: get jack for days and ship. So hey, it ain't 790 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: nothing new. You get me. Um, I guess because a 791 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: lot of the wrap card has been gunned down, you 792 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: feel me? Um, I was, I was watching and I 793 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: was reading a quote for my Nigga iced Tea today, 794 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: and my Nigga iced Tea said something like, it's certain 795 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 1: codes niggas following, you know, like you don't kids. Too 796 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: many niggas you know lost some jury. You know, I 797 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: mean I never I never got into the jury thing 798 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: back in my hot you know, my high live days. Um, 799 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: it was just something I never got into. Uh. I 800 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: funked around, put my money into a low rider or 801 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: some ship like that before I ran out and bought 802 00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, uh to three hundred thousand dollars worth for jury. Um, 803 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess. You know, it's a different time. 804 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: It's a way to show your status nowadays, I guess 805 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: as a rapper. But you know a lot of us 806 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: old school cats, you know, like iced T said and 807 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: by line, jury c Q wearing a lot of jury. 808 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: You don't see Dre wearing a lot of jury. Uh myself, 809 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: um quick, uh, you know a lot of l A 810 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 1: stable artists. You know. I don't know if it was 811 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: something that we wasn't in two or it was just 812 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: something we didn't do, but I wouldn't have been caught 813 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: walking around just you know on the on the floss tip, 814 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, with two three hundred thousand dollars worth for jury. 815 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: And you know nigga's his hobie. Now it's just a 816 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 1: different code. I think you know what nigga is ready 817 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: to run off and take off because like I said, 818 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: niggas used to get hell for David's James. So you 819 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: know it's I mean, it's it's really not know. I 820 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: guess it's what a nigga want to hit you for 821 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: you of me, right, you know Hey, And it's funny 822 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: because I saw you, man, I remember I saw you 823 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: one time. I didn't stop and talk to you and 824 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: nothing like that because he was with your girl the 825 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: Lakewood Mall. You was out there regularly. Hell, you didn't 826 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: have no jury. You know, you didn't have no jury 827 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 1: on And this is at the height of you being 828 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: m c A. This is like a few years after 829 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: minutes came up like you was that dude at the time, 830 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: and you was just bailing to the Lakewood Mall to 831 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: the throw hand like it was the thing that's might 832 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: over there. I always try to be uh low key, 833 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 1: like I said, I wasn't um one of those dudes 834 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: who was, you know, glorified by the fame of the 835 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: the rap side of it. You just give me my 836 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: check and let me do some records and let me 837 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: spit some ship. I didn't want to be the floss 838 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: nigger or the highlights nigger. I wanted to be you know, 839 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: like ship let me put on regular ass whatever and 840 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: put a hood all or being me, you know, I 841 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to be recognized. What the times is different 842 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: from the eighties to now this two thousand's generations. It's 843 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: starving like for real, and then what do they got? 844 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, this ain't sitting on the corner selling cocaine 845 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: no more. That's drying out. What do they have? So 846 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: now there's home invasions, Now there's robbing. Motherfucker's that the 847 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: story We talked about this so by any mean it's 848 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: necessary and anybody can get it. Now. So when is 849 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,479 Speaker 1: the rappers, all these casts, these rich people gonna learn 850 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: that flashing the game of jury and your money ain't 851 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: gonna work. My my, my, my nephew, um brothers, girl's 852 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: son got killed in Hollywood this week. Flashing money. You know, 853 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: that's what these catches hanging out for. You know, is 854 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: it come up? They don't want to get a job 855 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: and ain't about going to get a job. This is 856 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: easy money and and they don't give a funk if 857 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: they take a life to get the money. So, you know, 858 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,879 Speaker 1: people just need to stop and be aware of their surroundings, 859 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: especially in l A, l A. You hear it in 860 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,320 Speaker 1: a dove cy song. Who else spoke on it? You said, Ice, 861 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,399 Speaker 1: Ice Tea. You know a lot of them. Tell them 862 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: to check in when they come to l A. You 863 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And they have to they have 864 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: to know what the hotspots are. Some of these cats 865 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: come out of here to make their music and do 866 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: their thing. But they got on three other times, not 867 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: what the jury. That's an easy fucking come up. And 868 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: I damn shoul would have told that guy. Man, don't 869 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: you don't go to that rock stools over there, right? 870 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, you better off and don't get it twisted, 871 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: because you can get guy at that one on Sunset 872 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: in Gower too, But it's less like you know what 873 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm saying, that was that went over there, got it 874 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: on guard. That's ready, that's with the business and you ready. 875 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah it worked. Yeah, you know it's crazy how you know? 876 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: And I won't say, you know, because I used to 877 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: go to Chicago a lot, you know, in my you know, 878 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: high days and movie days and all that ship. When 879 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: I used to tour, I mean I did a m 880 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: I did a movie you know that never came out 881 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: and got seized, was called Reasons. Um. I was in 882 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 1: Chicago for about two and a half months, so I 883 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: used to flow the round a lot, you know by myself. 884 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: I had a car, I had an apartment. You know. Uh, 885 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 1: a couple of homies came out there and shocked up. 886 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: You know, we got them apartment. So I was in 887 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: Chicago for about three months. I used to float around everywhere. 888 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: But if there were certain areas that niggas recommended that 889 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: you don't go to, then I would heat that advice. 890 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 1: Come a nigga from the streets myself. And I was, 891 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: you know, niggas younger then, so I was feeling like 892 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 1: ship nigga we're gonna smash. But I was a nigga 893 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: who took heed to Hey, my nigga, you know, if 894 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: you ever don't go over there or blah blah blah, 895 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 1: you got a huge of stories. Now I don't know 896 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: him and his female. You know what I'm saying. They 897 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: in the whip, they're rolling around. Um, I'm sure they 898 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: probably stand somewhere, you know, fancy enough in the area. 899 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're got standing around the Manchester you know, 900 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: main Street area. You get me, Sam Pedro that area. 901 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: You know, we all know where Roscoe's is. I've been 902 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: there several times myself in the early days. You know, 903 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: that was the only Roscos we used to pull up to. 904 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: You get me. But you know, and and we knew 905 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: the precautions of going to that. You know that Rosco's. 906 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: You give me ship, you might give it to some 907 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: ship that was a motherfucking vicious here. You get so 908 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: over there. You know, I'm playing no games. I mean, 909 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, so who knows what the what the mind 910 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 1: state of him and his female when they say they 911 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: want to go to Roscos where where whatever you they 912 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: was in? Who knows why they got too to that 913 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: Rosco's who knows. But you gotta know where you're at, man, 914 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: and you've got to know your surroundings. And I'm pretty 915 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: sure somebody doesn't infold him where they have to let 916 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: him know, man, that that ain't like an area where 917 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: you like, you know, can go and is you know, 918 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,760 Speaker 1: they and reorganized and he got white people rolling around 919 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: on the little bikes and walking their dogs and ships 920 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 1: like that ain't one of them areas. That's a ficious spot. 921 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know if he felt like he was, 922 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, affiliated enough that he felt like he was 923 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: street affiliated enough that he could go there. But sometimes 924 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 1: even that attitude to get you in some bullshit, you 925 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But see this, this is the 926 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: thing you gotta look at, y'all. It don't necessarily have 927 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: to be those dudes or that hood that that actually 928 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: went in there did this. Niggas once they get a location, 929 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: motherfucker's know where you at and know a time they're 930 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: gonna be there, they're gonna hit run around the corner 931 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 1: and getting the car and bounce. Now, who gets to 932 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,879 Speaker 1: blame that hood anything in that immediate area, whatever hood 933 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: that is, We know when that which it's gonna be 934 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: blamed by you know what I'm saying. What you see 935 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: people be putting ship on social media, like they say 936 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: this girl did posted a picture of Roscoes and drop 937 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: their location. But what but what you know, y'all, yeah, 938 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,879 Speaker 1: you said that's the thing. But what they have said 939 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 1: the police reports tonight eat in the same thing on 940 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: the back side of the parking lot when they pulled us. 941 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: He posted that day was at b our Skulls. They 942 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 1: both they both sucked up. You shouldn't have posted that 943 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,879 Speaker 1: ship eat bounce. They're not doing that. That That's one 944 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: thing about me, man, I don't be you know. And 945 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the you know that, you know the women, 946 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 1: you know some of them they liked the post, you know, 947 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,960 Speaker 1: so they that day out on the day, you know, 948 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: look what we eat. You know, you might want to 949 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,440 Speaker 1: come to this spot. You know, it's it's different. You 950 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 1: get me, Like you said, it's motherfucker's who are just 951 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 1: sitting there look in that your pages, especially if it's 952 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: niggas who's on the mission. And that I made a prediction. 953 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: I said, it's not gonna be good to La rappers, 954 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 1: California rappers in general, to go to certain places down 955 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,759 Speaker 1: the South or whatever. Do you believe that that from 956 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 1: this happening pop Smoke and all the other ones that 957 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,760 Speaker 1: got killed out here, do you think mother is gonna 958 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 1: start then and all down to the California rappers that 959 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 1: go out of the state to perform. I don't. I 960 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't know because myself, I still 961 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: go all over this motherfucker and I've been the summer everywhere, 962 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like if if you know, when 963 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 1: you're in this game, it's at your own risk, That's 964 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,399 Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, you play if your own 965 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,239 Speaker 1: which when you win this game, and a lot of 966 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 1: dudes are humble enough, you get me. I was a 967 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,439 Speaker 1: lovable nigger man because I knew coming from from where 968 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: I came from, I know that ship can happen anywhere, 969 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,320 Speaker 1: any time. And we ain't the only things that's fucking 970 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: greedy out here. You get me. If I always used 971 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: to know nigga, if we greedy like this in Compton, 972 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: I bet you then nigga down in Texas in the 973 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 1: projects or then that they greedy too, or the niggas 974 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 1: over in Chicago whatever, they're greedy as fun too, and 975 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:45,000 Speaker 1: hanging out posting and they know where yet is it easy? 976 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,880 Speaker 1: Is it easy here? You don't think they're try I 977 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 1: mean say, I think anybody's an easy target New York. 978 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,840 Speaker 1: If I was one of them braggadocious ass niggas, and 979 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,480 Speaker 1: I was one of those, like I said, it's a 980 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,879 Speaker 1: different time you give me because I respected niggas when 981 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,000 Speaker 1: I went to their towns or I you know, I 982 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: didn't make niggas feel like alien NATed when I was 983 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: doing that type of ship. Some of these niggas are 984 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 1: on that. So when you go to a nigga town, 985 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: sometimes niggas be waiting to get you. I never I 986 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,399 Speaker 1: never experienced that because, like I said, I always tried 987 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,320 Speaker 1: to humble myself and I always tried to put myself 988 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 1: in the position of like respect where you at now? 989 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 1: I always you did me ship. They went to do 990 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 1: that ship to you at the house, nigga. You know 991 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: where you at, Nigga, I know where I'm at. It's 992 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: all good. You feel me? You just got the show down. 993 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,880 Speaker 1: You know one thing, James Old, don't real quick. I'm 994 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: gonna tell you all one thing too. It couldn't have 995 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 1: been it could have possibly been the neighborhood, James. It 996 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: could have not been It could have been a pastor, Bob. 997 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,839 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you what happens sometimes when these 998 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: kids walk up from these fronts. Please believe that the 999 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: homie just picking up the dishes at the table. It's 1000 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,239 Speaker 1: going back to text and someone soft man. Guess who 1001 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: just pulled up in this motherfucking he shigned. Or it 1002 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,839 Speaker 1: could be the little broad the work at the little 1003 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 1: front conference that might have set a nigger down. Oh 1004 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 1: guess he came in here and he was stunned. Not 1005 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 1: that they're necessarily trying to line with nigga up, but 1006 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 1: just running their mouth or they're trying to set it 1007 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: nig up here he comes. You think about it, if 1008 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: you're working up at roscolds or somebody, and you're gonna 1009 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: make you a couple of dollars before boy, he's lying 1010 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 1: niggers up? What's stop that mapping? Nothing? I mean, you can, 1011 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: we can. It's all types of scenarios and then all 1012 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,360 Speaker 1: the different types of things that can happen here. And 1013 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is when you look at social media, 1014 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 1: you see certain guys I ain't gonna name them, but 1015 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 1: they're talking about niggas need to come and check in, 1016 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: right and sings getting the shake down down this check 1017 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: inship and going on a long time uh on certain 1018 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: individuals that come to California and they get this please 1019 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 1: because they gotta check in. Uh puppy them, you know, 1020 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: coming to Comptent. You know they paid for, you know, 1021 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: their protection, you know, to be around. So what I'm 1022 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: saying is, with all of this ship you here on 1023 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: social media, and me, let me tell you how I 1024 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 1: would think. Okay, these motherfucker's got us sucked up. Now 1025 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna see if they check in when they come 1026 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: to our town. I'm just saying, I'm pathetically, you know, 1027 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: mother pucker could be thinking, Okay, if they if they 1028 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: grind me like that, we could be grinding too. So 1029 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 1: now l A is going to do a show. But 1030 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: we ain't tripping off that because niggas ain't really tripping 1031 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,080 Speaker 1: on you know l A niggers because they know they're 1032 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,880 Speaker 1: with the business. So we kind of like, I don't 1033 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,160 Speaker 1: think what the possibilities of you feel me So here 1034 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 1: I am in New York safe for instance. You know, 1035 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what pop smoke from. I don't know 1036 00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: what this other that just passed from seeing b Rockers 1037 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 1: to Philly. Okay, so if we was in Philadelphia, that 1038 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,520 Speaker 1: nigga got friends, families, whoever there, so they might say, Okay, 1039 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: let's get one for our nigga, you know what I'm saying, 1040 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,920 Speaker 1: hypothetically speaking, And we ain't paying attention to it. Now 1041 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: we go out there, we get killed, they take our Jerry. 1042 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: You don't think it's possible that motherfucker's can think like 1043 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 1: California dudes. Things And it might not have been a 1044 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,800 Speaker 1: game member. It's it's somebody thirsty, somebody out there doing robbers. 1045 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can't even lift your 1046 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,720 Speaker 1: garage of without three phone is running in your garage today? 1047 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: Yeah for real? You know I'm saying, what the part 1048 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,880 Speaker 1: about all this isls? Man? It gets highlighted because a 1049 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,000 Speaker 1: person is an individual, no se a personal fame, the 1050 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,400 Speaker 1: famous person. But man, it's literally somebody to get shot 1051 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: out here, everything behind their children. Man, that don't get 1052 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,040 Speaker 1: reported on. I believe you know what I'm saying. My 1053 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: son got a dumb for the miss check. Thank god 1054 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,680 Speaker 1: that didn't. They spared his life, you know. And and 1055 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 1: here's a list of California rappers man um a peak 1056 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 1: in California, going back to a wild You you remember 1057 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 1: careers my eight, Yeah, he was one of him, a 1058 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: peanut butterwolf had they looked thing jumping off back in 1059 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,480 Speaker 1: the day. He was one of the first ones Seagram 1060 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: recipe Seagram only from the baby notorious b I g. 1061 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: You know, getting a little bit more notorious b I 1062 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:38,000 Speaker 1: g Um dollar jacking, Nipsey, hustle, pop smoke. Now we 1063 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 1: got Pete the B and b Rock DrAk. You're the 1064 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: ruler this man, you know what? Like I said Slim 1065 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 1: four hundred, it ain't just the rappers. It's like literally 1066 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 1: every day you hear about somebody. Everything ain't a homicide necessarily, 1067 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,000 Speaker 1: every you know what you years called every day somebody 1068 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: getting ride. You know the one cat the other day, 1069 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Love was the food falling down the um stairs and 1070 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: stuffed up and he was fighting for his change. And 1071 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,840 Speaker 1: I already really slipped and bluster his lip. What's the 1072 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: cat's name? What's the cast name? Man? Because I don't 1073 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 1: be keeping up with two youngsters like that, Hey, what's 1074 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,680 Speaker 1: the catt? They would just talking about him, but dude, 1075 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: talking about he fought for his jewelry and the homely song. 1076 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 1: He really failed down the stairs running and plus it 1077 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 1: his lip told camera, Yeah, I was fighting for mine. 1078 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,000 Speaker 1: They didn't get my change. No, he was all in 1079 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: THESS and trip and failed down the downstairs and plus 1080 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,040 Speaker 1: their ship. He put too much one. Well that's the move, 1081 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,120 Speaker 1: like I said, that's the move down days. Uh, my 1082 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 1: father's followed you home from being out. Um, my father's 1083 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: run up in your establishment with the snatch and grab 1084 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,920 Speaker 1: or the smash for the jury. Um, you know nigga's 1085 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: you know niggas, you know it was. You know niggas 1086 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,880 Speaker 1: will catch you in a fight and then snatch your chain. 1087 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: Now it's not Yeah, my bad put off the sauce 1088 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,000 Speaker 1: walker dude. Okay, yeah, yeah yeah I heard of that. 1089 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:17,000 Speaker 1: Um um, and I think I think dude shot somebody. Yeah, 1090 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: he's the nune that he's the one that shot somebody. 1091 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,360 Speaker 1: And its downtown. They're like, man, yeah, something about I 1092 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,040 Speaker 1: read about that story too. Something they had some dude 1093 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,240 Speaker 1: or him and some dude somebody argument or some dude 1094 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 1: and uh he thought. I guess the dudes was on 1095 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: Jackie or whatever and somebody shot somebody. I don't know, 1096 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 1: but that's the move nowadays. You didn't me whether it's 1097 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,960 Speaker 1: Jack and somebody, like I said, whether there's home invasions, 1098 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,400 Speaker 1: whether they rob running up in the store snatching persons, 1099 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 1: whether they uh, you know, just like downtown the other day, 1100 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,080 Speaker 1: dudes ran up in there and was trying to smash 1101 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,959 Speaker 1: the jury and grab the jury, but they couldn't break 1102 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,840 Speaker 1: the cases and the people was trying to fight them 1103 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,000 Speaker 1: off and all that. Ship. I mean, it's it's like 1104 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,920 Speaker 1: to get rich quick scheme. Nowadays. You give me, I'm 1105 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,320 Speaker 1: gonna j man, and it's like off there. I don't 1106 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,640 Speaker 1: lass that. I ain't putting it on, you know, just 1107 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: the youth or whatever, just misguided or whatever. But it's 1108 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,440 Speaker 1: just it's it seems like it's what they say nowadays. 1109 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: It's the viral thing. Now you give me, we run 1110 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 1: up in somebody's ship and smash it. It's still a 1111 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 1: jewelry or following nigga hall, nigga funk. They even you 1112 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,600 Speaker 1: could be walking your motherfucking French bulldog down the street 1113 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,960 Speaker 1: and the nigga don't jump out and snack dog because 1114 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,800 Speaker 1: they're looking at it like I could sell that motherfucker 1115 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,600 Speaker 1: for three four thousand and then some of these dumb 1116 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,360 Speaker 1: motherfucker's is just dumb enough to just keep the ship 1117 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:54,439 Speaker 1: that they they get me because they're wanted faults. So nigga, 1118 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,919 Speaker 1: I'm still your dog, and that's gonna be my dog. 1119 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna snatch your chain and I let me get 1120 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: my dumb man that's on the internet and show a 1121 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,680 Speaker 1: motherfucker that I got to change. You get me. It's 1122 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:11,160 Speaker 1: it's what happens nowadays, because that's the move, and I 1123 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,200 Speaker 1: get it. I said, I don't know if it, but 1124 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: I know I ain't no niggas. You know, niggas in 1125 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 1: my age group running out there, you know, smashing jewelry 1126 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: cases or or Jackie motherfucker's for dogs and ships like that. 1127 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Niggas is just real, real greedy nowadays. And like I said, 1128 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: and the advice I give to a nigga, you know, 1129 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 1: unless you're walking around with like swat security, you know, 1130 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 1: ten fifteen niggas whatever, don't wear your ship, you know 1131 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,280 Speaker 1: what I mean. Don't don't wear your ship. Just don't 1132 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: wear it. You know, we know you got it. If 1133 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,400 Speaker 1: you want to show a motherfucker you got it, take 1134 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,400 Speaker 1: a picture and put it on Instagram. Like this, like 1135 01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,959 Speaker 1: you know, like they take the pictures of the food 1136 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,840 Speaker 1: they eating, all the shoes they went. They can take 1137 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 1: you a picture in your jury and then leave that 1138 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 1: ship at home. Because if if, if, if you try 1139 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 1: to prove a point of I'm on, I got all this, 1140 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 1: you know it's it's a mistake. Because if a nicker 1141 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,760 Speaker 1: think that nigga here, but I ain't just gonna say 1142 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,280 Speaker 1: here in l a nick it could be anywhere. If 1143 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,120 Speaker 1: a nicka think he canna he can get you, I 1144 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,200 Speaker 1: can get you. I mean, fuck, I'm ship. I'm a 1145 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: motherfucking I'm a minute to motherfucker society. You feel me, 1146 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,800 Speaker 1: ain't no rules. If I can get you, I'm gonna 1147 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,080 Speaker 1: get you. My advice is giving sh it up and 1148 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,880 Speaker 1: try to give it up quickly. Here you go take 1149 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: that ship. I don't know what happened because like they said, 1150 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:48,400 Speaker 1: it was a robbery. So get your ship up pretty quickly. 1151 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,400 Speaker 1: You get me. Don't hesitate with it, nigga, try to 1152 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,760 Speaker 1: play heat roll or whatever. Motherfucker's nigga got a gun 1153 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,320 Speaker 1: in your face and say give me the ship he's 1154 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,520 Speaker 1: been nicka quickly he can go. When we tell you 1155 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: how to clean that motherfucker ship too. Nigga. Man, you're 1156 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,520 Speaker 1: gonna be happy with that motherfucking change when you put 1157 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,800 Speaker 1: it all by nigga, good good ship have been, like, 1158 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,560 Speaker 1: just let me finish my motherfucking food. You're crazy. The 1159 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,760 Speaker 1: average the average cat with his girl. Let's see you 1160 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,400 Speaker 1: with his wife and the nigga try to rob him. 1161 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,920 Speaker 1: The first thing you're gonna think is, I can't just 1162 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:31,160 Speaker 1: give it up because you gotta pistol in my fucking 1163 01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,400 Speaker 1: face and I ain't got my heat. Nigga, you can 1164 01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: have it. I try to play he wrote for the wife, 1165 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,000 Speaker 1: He wife, and you know what it is? Ship? You 1166 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,280 Speaker 1: rather nigga play he wrote, and be dead or you 1167 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 1: rather than nigga go home with your ass and I 1168 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,920 Speaker 1: can be placed that jewelry or that fucking purse you 1169 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,280 Speaker 1: get me? Get that shut up? I mean you know 1170 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,960 Speaker 1: I get it, and like you, that's true. Some niggas 1171 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,680 Speaker 1: to take the motherfucking attitude like fuck that ship, nigga, 1172 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,959 Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't gonna just give us my ship. 1173 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,880 Speaker 1: But then, like I said, what you're supposed to do 1174 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: with a pistol in your face? How how can you 1175 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,800 Speaker 1: argue with that? That's no deep base. Then you be 1176 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,400 Speaker 1: the hardest snack on the block. I don't give a fuck. 1177 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,680 Speaker 1: But you gotta be smart too, man. And then you 1178 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,760 Speaker 1: brought this right here. What you wanna do, you'll get 1179 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,400 Speaker 1: her smart big. You gotta give it up, man, And 1180 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,960 Speaker 1: that's man ship. I might have have my ship up, 1181 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,800 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell my broadening and give me your purse. 1182 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,080 Speaker 1: When you've got some shit in then you want this 1183 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,040 Speaker 1: ship about of here too. Take that to my nigger 1184 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:47,080 Speaker 1: car in the back, great Cadillac you too. Well, that's 1185 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,760 Speaker 1: just the real man, because you know what the thing is, man, 1186 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,800 Speaker 1: The thing is that you do have all that you 1187 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Real insurance ain't ship for a couple of dollars a month. 1188 01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure some of these and because they're 1189 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:06,040 Speaker 1: smart enough and somebody's something told the jury, and sure, 1190 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: because I'm where thirty thousand dollars three hundred thousand dollars 1191 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,839 Speaker 1: in jury. Everywhere you go, you don't have to everybody 1192 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,280 Speaker 1: recognize who you are. Everybody knows who you are. So 1193 01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,240 Speaker 1: if I'm going out in public, I'm not taking security. 1194 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,280 Speaker 1: Just me and this girl, me and Michael and me 1195 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,240 Speaker 1: and my wife going I don't need to bring that 1196 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,799 Speaker 1: type of attention to me. This is what I think, James, 1197 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,240 Speaker 1: You know, I think we lived by that colde like um, 1198 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,759 Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of niggas in the streets 1199 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,559 Speaker 1: getting their money, and niggas wanted to stay low key 1200 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,519 Speaker 1: and didn't want to be like sought after. So I 1201 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,040 Speaker 1: think we lived by the code where you like you 1202 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,200 Speaker 1: give me, Remember Nick, niggas niggas be millionaires. They get 1203 01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,000 Speaker 1: riding around in khaki suits to ship right do like 1204 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,800 Speaker 1: we wanted to play low key with the bread. The 1205 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: symbol now that they is I gotta floss harder than 1206 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,080 Speaker 1: here you give me. Oh this Nick on the plane 1207 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 1: with this and this also, Now I got gonna take 1208 01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,479 Speaker 1: me a picture on my plane, and how we will 1209 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,559 Speaker 1: be wanted. Oh this nigger got the push button double 1210 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: r Rose Royce or whatever. Oh man, I got to 1211 01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,639 Speaker 1: go give me one of them also, and so got 1212 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,880 Speaker 1: fox fire chains on. I got to go have ten 1213 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,920 Speaker 1: on and and they got three fo watches on that 1214 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,240 Speaker 1: one time I got to wear watches. You get me. 1215 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,920 Speaker 1: It's the status symbol of of how the mcs and 1216 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,920 Speaker 1: the artists I feel. It's how they show there there, 1217 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, achievements or their status or nick You get me. 1218 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,559 Speaker 1: I can't just be walking around and some motherfucking twenty 1219 01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,920 Speaker 1: dollar motherfucking flip flops and some thirty dollars shorts. You 1220 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,160 Speaker 1: give me, motherfucker niggas don't feel like I could stand 1221 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,200 Speaker 1: on my name alone or some ship. You get me. 1222 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,719 Speaker 1: You get the work you put in and what you've done, 1223 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,920 Speaker 1: the contributions to hippopping, on what you sold. That shouldn't 1224 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: be your your your status, the flaws, but to some 1225 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,000 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not enough. You get me because this 1226 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:32,200 Speaker 1: is the day and age of flows. So I go 1227 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,280 Speaker 1: by me three hundred thousand dollars worth for motherfucking juror. 1228 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,519 Speaker 1: I don't give a fucking my motherfucking scheck eight, but 1229 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: for half a million, I got to go spend three 1230 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:47,679 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars on you because I I because because 1231 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,800 Speaker 1: it's the it's the status symbol. You get people gonna 1232 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:56,280 Speaker 1: It makes me feel like people gonna recognize who I 1233 01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,600 Speaker 1: am more if I got on more chains than you do. 1234 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,400 Speaker 1: But and that's the way we did that we do. 1235 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,080 Speaker 1: But I said me, I mean I was I never 1236 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,120 Speaker 1: got into the jewelry thing, so it wasn't a thing 1237 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,479 Speaker 1: for me, but to some people we hate. Think, I'm 1238 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,320 Speaker 1: gonna go buy me a fifty thousand, hundred thousand dollar 1239 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,680 Speaker 1: roles and I'm gonna go buy me about Tim Cubans 1240 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,120 Speaker 1: and some Platinum's and Triple you know, BBS diamonds and 1241 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 1: all that ship. So you can't come to THEO and 1242 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,920 Speaker 1: that ship. Let me let me let me ask you this. 1243 01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I think North you just you just said better. Do 1244 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:40,040 Speaker 1: you think that we need to stop hollering while why 1245 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,240 Speaker 1: are we killing ourselves? You know everybody said while we're 1246 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,200 Speaker 1: killing ourselves? Why we get mad when the white man killers? 1247 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,519 Speaker 1: But we're killing ourselves? I think do you think people 1248 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,080 Speaker 1: just need to stop talking to that Black Lives Matter ship? 1249 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: A man? I feel what you're saying things not see us? 1250 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,519 Speaker 1: Something about that, earl you What amazes me about our 1251 01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,080 Speaker 1: people is that we get piste off on the police 1252 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:07,400 Speaker 1: heal one of us, you know what I mean? We 1253 01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,360 Speaker 1: get piste off and in some cases, man, you know, 1254 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,400 Speaker 1: in some cases, man, I've seen brother zachting off. Man 1255 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,120 Speaker 1: what they they kind of asked me to get handled 1256 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,920 Speaker 1: a certain way, right, But I think we need to 1257 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,720 Speaker 1: be just as upset when ship like this happen? Like, 1258 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: where's outraged off with this? Because I see more excuses 1259 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,120 Speaker 1: than anything else. Well, he shouldn't have been there, or 1260 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 1: the girl shouldn't have posted a picture. How come to man? 1261 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,080 Speaker 1: Keep go up with this girl and have some to 1262 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,559 Speaker 1: eat without a motherfucker's without him get losing his life. 1263 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,640 Speaker 1: Do you feel what I'm saying. It's like we're in 1264 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,559 Speaker 1: a bad place dog where motherfucker can't get in their 1265 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,760 Speaker 1: car go to a restaurant Roscoes heels like a California 1266 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,200 Speaker 1: tourist attraction when people come from out of town. All 1267 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:49,720 Speaker 1: my people, when they come from out of town, the 1268 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,559 Speaker 1: first thing my cousins say, let's go to Rockolle Roscope. 1269 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. He used to be Eminem's 1270 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,479 Speaker 1: a long time ago. There's certain places that people from 1271 01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,880 Speaker 1: out of town don't want to go. Why keep make 1272 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,479 Speaker 1: excuses for these motherfucker's that we know. I've been out 1273 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,439 Speaker 1: thick jack and robbing and killing motherfucker's for the last 1274 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 1: thirty years. I see it all the time on social media. 1275 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,080 Speaker 1: It's some horrible niggas that don't lost their life, Niggas 1276 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,240 Speaker 1: that you just knew was doing wrong. They don't even 1277 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,160 Speaker 1: surprised me when I hear about it or sex and 1278 01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,559 Speaker 1: such as did Wow, I didn't see that one coming. 1279 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,640 Speaker 1: He only been robbing and jack and niggas for the 1280 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:24,040 Speaker 1: past thirty years. People actually feel sorry for him. He 1281 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,880 Speaker 1: was a victimous because of this, Because of that man, 1282 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,920 Speaker 1: we gotta start hold motherfucker's accountable. Dog. I think they 1283 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,600 Speaker 1: need to make a law. If you kill a motherfucker 1284 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,479 Speaker 1: and the actor robbery, or you pull a gun in 1285 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,959 Speaker 1: the motherfucking acting robbery, it should be a hundred years automatic. 1286 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,519 Speaker 1: Your ass going to fucking jail and you're never fucking 1287 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,680 Speaker 1: getting out. If they did that, ship, I fix you. 1288 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: This ship is stalled up. I don't think so, because 1289 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,920 Speaker 1: niggas are always a lined of man chality. I don't 1290 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: give a fuck. That's where that's where it starts. I mean, 1291 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,200 Speaker 1: like you said, I mean everybody is discussing their ship 1292 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,719 Speaker 1: with Sho. I get because he was a popular dude 1293 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,000 Speaker 1: and everybody now him and he was in the line 1294 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,559 Speaker 1: right for ship. Nigga. I know regular niggas who got 1295 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,679 Speaker 1: smoked over away exactly, and that's what I know. Nigga 1296 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,320 Speaker 1: got I niggas who got guns and pistols pulled out 1297 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,000 Speaker 1: on it for starter fucking shocks. That's what I'm saying. 1298 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying because you know I grew up. 1299 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,360 Speaker 1: I grew up in the l When Nigga pull up 1300 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,200 Speaker 1: on you at a bus stop, Nigga pull your motherfucking 1301 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,000 Speaker 1: heat out on you and tell you give me that 1302 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,280 Speaker 1: motherfucking coat, Nigga, and you mean, like Nigga, this fucking 1303 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,120 Speaker 1: lakers cool, Nika, give it up, motherfucker. And if you 1304 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,840 Speaker 1: don't want to make a kill you, so you And 1305 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,560 Speaker 1: that's a that's that's regular Timmy from the book. You 1306 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,439 Speaker 1: get me. That ain't PNB rock or pop smoked or whatever. 1307 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:56,160 Speaker 1: So nigga's gotta understand it like this mentality, it's been 1308 01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,600 Speaker 1: fed and then been eating off the motherfucking cancer or 1309 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:04,760 Speaker 1: the street eats or whatever forever you give and the 1310 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,880 Speaker 1: times that we are, you know, because now niggas, you 1311 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,600 Speaker 1: know we've got rappers and you know it's you know 1312 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,360 Speaker 1: that jack deem and you can't be posting where you 1313 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,920 Speaker 1: at whatever. But like I said, motherfucker followed Timmy home 1314 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,280 Speaker 1: with Nigga from the Crimshaw what night and and and 1315 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,600 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, niggative shot Timmy he laying in 1316 01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,639 Speaker 1: the street for you. That's what they call them, change killers. 1317 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:34,560 Speaker 1: Fucking Davis. You give me, so it's unfortunate that we 1318 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,679 Speaker 1: have that. You give me, And like you said, James, 1319 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,639 Speaker 1: do does it the people need to stop yelling black 1320 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:47,240 Speaker 1: lives matter? Um? I guess to an extent it really, Um. 1321 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,320 Speaker 1: We have issues that we deal with the other race 1322 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,640 Speaker 1: or the police or whatever, to where I guess that 1323 01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:01,080 Speaker 1: is the feeling of we matter because we have gone 1324 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,240 Speaker 1: through so much trauma as far as it comes with 1325 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, racism and police brutality and ship that people 1326 01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:14,320 Speaker 1: feel like black lives matter symbolizes a lot more than 1327 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:19,720 Speaker 1: just you know, niggas like us who getting shocked and 1328 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,080 Speaker 1: shot and killed on a daily basis and been doing 1329 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,360 Speaker 1: this ship since the beginning of time. You did me. 1330 01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,920 Speaker 1: But we're affiliated with the streets and neighborhoods and ships, 1331 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,200 Speaker 1: so it really don't have it really don't hit home 1332 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,760 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, man, I would just gonna tell you 1333 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,560 Speaker 1: like this and we go ended off Fellers, we have 1334 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,040 Speaker 1: some sad motherfucker's safe Because my thing is this ain't 1335 01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,400 Speaker 1: like I said, and you said, it ain't just a 1336 01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,240 Speaker 1: reference I here this happened to is I'm gonna tell 1337 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,639 Speaker 1: you when the motherfucker's put that gun on my son's 1338 01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,320 Speaker 1: just I felt some kind of when steel feels. I mean, 1339 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,880 Speaker 1: nobody wants nothing to happen to their children, right, that's 1340 01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,599 Speaker 1: the last motherfucker we want something to have to change. 1341 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,200 Speaker 1: You don't want to happen to line. I don't want 1342 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,880 Speaker 1: nothing to happen to my kids. I mean, that's that's 1343 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,120 Speaker 1: that's the ship you dread that your children. I don't 1344 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,280 Speaker 1: have to have to run into an incident that you 1345 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,880 Speaker 1: probably are familiar with. You get me because you don't 1346 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:24,160 Speaker 1: want are you give me so like what I'm saying, 1347 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,840 Speaker 1: that's I don't want. I don't want my son I 1348 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: have to run into what I experienced. That's neighborhood and ship. 1349 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,559 Speaker 1: You get me. You don't want Chris that like, that's 1350 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,680 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. You get me, Like, damn my son. I'm 1351 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,800 Speaker 1: trying to prevent him from going through that. And next thing, 1352 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,800 Speaker 1: you know what, nigga didn't put a gun into his 1353 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,000 Speaker 1: chip and then jack my nigga. You feel me, that's 1354 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,200 Speaker 1: been trying to avoid for your children from the beginning 1355 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,920 Speaker 1: of the time retaliation if something happened, Retaliation don't mean 1356 01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,000 Speaker 1: nothing but going out and seeking the motherfucker that didn't 1357 01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,559 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with it or that person. That's 1358 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,960 Speaker 1: a bit with the people that did have something to 1359 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,840 Speaker 1: do with it. It's not never getting the person that 1360 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,439 Speaker 1: did it. Exactly Black norm Field, Okay, your motherfucker's moved 1361 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,720 Speaker 1: to move with my son, so if he felt the 1362 01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:16,360 Speaker 1: need to retaliate, it's gonna get anything at random. And 1363 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,680 Speaker 1: that's sucked up. And I had nigga James. You know 1364 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,120 Speaker 1: the thing is I had homies. Dad. It hit me 1365 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,880 Speaker 1: and was telling me if probably was these little niggas 1366 01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,679 Speaker 1: you want me, and it's like, no, what is the purpose? 1367 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,479 Speaker 1: I'm glad my son got his life. Stars first and foremost. 1368 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,400 Speaker 1: Number one. That change. They had insurance on the punk 1369 01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,160 Speaker 1: that change. Are you okay? I couldn't do enough. Drop 1370 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,160 Speaker 1: the phone and say thank you Jesus, my son, O 1371 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,840 Speaker 1: Kat fuck that change. You're good. There's nobody get hurt. 1372 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,479 Speaker 1: Thank you Jesus. Let's must keep a moving. He learned anyway. 1373 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,760 Speaker 1: But that's the lesson, just like just like there's the 1374 01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,920 Speaker 1: lesson to be lying because you told him don't go 1375 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,439 Speaker 1: certain ship you keep going. You're right, Just like with 1376 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,200 Speaker 1: P and B. You think he knew about this, Roscoe. 1377 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be familiar with the areas you 1378 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,400 Speaker 1: go to, right, you know that? Like so you don't. 1379 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,559 Speaker 1: There's plenty of other places we can go, right, there's 1380 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,519 Speaker 1: plenty of other places you can go, so that you know, 1381 01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,720 Speaker 1: I like, I say, a boy, the bullshit? If you 1382 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,719 Speaker 1: can you right, you hit me? If you can avoid 1383 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,240 Speaker 1: the ship? Why why why not you gave me? If 1384 01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,120 Speaker 1: I got beet with some niggas and I know they're 1385 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,360 Speaker 1: over there, what am I going to do? If I'm 1386 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,519 Speaker 1: gonna go over there? Am I gonna avoid the ship? 1387 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,599 Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes you got a book, sometimes you gotta 1388 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,760 Speaker 1: avoid it. You know, sometimes you got to you gotta 1389 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,200 Speaker 1: be the bigger man that you gotta avoid to ship. Yeah. 1390 01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,960 Speaker 1: Do I know niggas over here is doing miss Yeah? 1391 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,639 Speaker 1: So if they're a chance I might get into some ship. 1392 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,240 Speaker 1: If I don't get there, it's a chance to see 1393 01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,240 Speaker 1: a chance that I won't get into some shit if 1394 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,240 Speaker 1: I want to be so might not to just stay 1395 01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,439 Speaker 1: my ass at home? Yeah? Real? Enough of that ship? 1396 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,599 Speaker 1: Man is the prisoners? If you got a new project, 1397 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:21,160 Speaker 1: that right, I'm working on the project. I got this 1398 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:25,080 Speaker 1: Revolution and Progress project, but we're working on a new 1399 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,280 Speaker 1: project right now. I'm trying to finish up this lessons project. 1400 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,920 Speaker 1: So we're just working right now and getting it off 1401 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,559 Speaker 1: the ground. Probably got a few songs we gotta finish up. Uh, 1402 01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,800 Speaker 1: just my my boy DJ premire to hit people some 1403 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,120 Speaker 1: scratches and ship, so I was waiting on that. That 1404 01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,439 Speaker 1: was like the last cut. So we're gonna start mixing 1405 01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,200 Speaker 1: and ship trying to get back cracking. We ex think 1406 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:50,800 Speaker 1: that I don't need probably comes from probably in the 1407 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,400 Speaker 1: next couple of months. Hey, Hey, I got a little 1408 01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,679 Speaker 1: cousin live in Low Beach, little nigga hard with music. 1409 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,400 Speaker 1: How do I hook him up with you? Just for 1410 01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,200 Speaker 1: you to hear the ship that he'd be putting that. 1411 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,080 Speaker 1: Lets tell me to send me an email. I know 1412 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,640 Speaker 1: he got some tracks telling the email me. Okay, all 1413 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,080 Speaker 1: y'a doing? He telling the email me a couple of cuts, Okay, 1414 01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,120 Speaker 1: then just tell me. Let me know what you think 1415 01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,360 Speaker 1: about it. Let you know what I think. Yeah, I 1416 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,280 Speaker 1: get you at email and Chris James, you know, we 1417 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,559 Speaker 1: go going and shut it down, fellas man. But something 1418 01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,720 Speaker 1: I want you all to think about out there. I 1419 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,080 Speaker 1: know it's hard man being in property. We've all everybody 1420 01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,639 Speaker 1: on this plane before his growing up didn't have nothing. 1421 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,000 Speaker 1: Think about it next time when you walk there, before 1422 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,280 Speaker 1: you do something. I ain't gonna never tell you, do 1423 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, to stop doing what you're doing or whatever, 1424 01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:49,800 Speaker 1: because that's your exercise of futility. They asked yourself as 1425 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,160 Speaker 1: if worth taking that person's life. Because the way technology 1426 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,439 Speaker 1: is now, nine times of the team, you can get caught, 1427 01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,799 Speaker 1: especially when it's a high profile motherfucker. They are gonkix 1428 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,960 Speaker 1: your ass. If it's just a regular joke, blow nigga, 1429 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,720 Speaker 1: they gonna take their time and move why they move. 1430 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,240 Speaker 1: But if it's a whole it's too much pressure behind 1431 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,320 Speaker 1: a high profile cat. So you're gonna get caught. Somebody's 1432 01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:12,920 Speaker 1: gonna snicks on you. You're going to sl for the 1433 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,639 Speaker 1: rest of your life. But when you take somebody's life, 1434 01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,320 Speaker 1: you don't just take that person's life. You take their 1435 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,280 Speaker 1: mama's life, you take their brother's life, you take their 1436 01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,200 Speaker 1: kids life, you take their daddy's life, you take everybody 1437 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,720 Speaker 1: around them life. So just think about what you do. 1438 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,240 Speaker 1: I think if everybody falls for a second, change I 1439 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,120 Speaker 1: really thought before they did ship, it'll be a lot 1440 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:39,160 Speaker 1: less bullshit. That's true. That's true. Yeah, we just gotta 1441 01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,439 Speaker 1: get that's hey. Just think you know what I'm saying, 1442 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,600 Speaker 1: thank before you popped, Nigga or whatever I'm saying like 1443 01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,040 Speaker 1: you said, because there's a lot of ship that happens 1444 01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,920 Speaker 1: behind it, and it's just unfortunate. Like you said, we 1445 01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,640 Speaker 1: all came from the dirt and you know, being in 1446 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,800 Speaker 1: poverty and whatever, and we all wanted ship growing you 1447 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:05,320 Speaker 1: get me. Um, we all wanted ship. And when we 1448 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,280 Speaker 1: was growing up and it was hard, it was always easy, 1449 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, to serve, but nego or get on the 1450 01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,960 Speaker 1: corner or go rob or neygo or whatever. But you know, 1451 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,360 Speaker 1: a lot of that comes with the consequences of the 1452 01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,519 Speaker 1: pitchfalls of is what I used to try to tell 1453 01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,599 Speaker 1: Nega the records to give it. It's fun and dunity 1454 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,040 Speaker 1: when when you jacking and nego or you live in 1455 01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,719 Speaker 1: the highlight, but when you get comfortable, when somebody gets 1456 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,799 Speaker 1: smoked or whatever, it's unfortunate. Now you see the results 1457 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,599 Speaker 1: of it. So yeah, you know, well that's why each 1458 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,639 Speaker 1: and every individual to sit back and think. All these 1459 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,720 Speaker 1: young brothers out here today they need to take a 1460 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,840 Speaker 1: step back and think this ain't working for me. I 1461 01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,000 Speaker 1: need to try to get some kind of skilled up 1462 01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,920 Speaker 1: under my belt and work that. Motherfucking see. We need 1463 01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,080 Speaker 1: to get jobs up under our feet instead of doing 1464 01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,000 Speaker 1: this because this don't heard way. I give it five years, 1465 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,840 Speaker 1: half of the prisoner gonna be filled up with us. 1466 01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,240 Speaker 1: It ain't gonna be the means. It's gonna be us 1467 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:14,120 Speaker 1: because we're out here. Divers were out here without a 1468 01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:19,439 Speaker 1: care in the world, and in two we can't live 1469 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,720 Speaker 1: like that because this ship ain't designed for us to 1470 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,320 Speaker 1: be here. Being regulis the way we are. So I 1471 01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,320 Speaker 1: think every all these junctions need to put the victor 1472 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,479 Speaker 1: to read and all this ship down and just reflect 1473 01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,679 Speaker 1: on day life. All they gotta do is act, say itself, 1474 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,519 Speaker 1: where would I be in ten more years from now? 1475 01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,599 Speaker 1: And half of them came honestly say where they're gonna 1476 01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,439 Speaker 1: be or if they're gonna have a job, because they're 1477 01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:50,280 Speaker 1: not hit it towards that way. Well, that concludes another 1478 01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,280 Speaker 1: episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download 1479 01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,519 Speaker 1: the i heart app and subscribe to the Gangster Chronicles 1480 01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,320 Speaker 1: podcast for Apple users. 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