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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to the fiftieth episode of the

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Speaker 1: Dave Pash Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals broadcaster. We are certainly grateful that you've listened

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Speaker 1: to the previous forty nine episodes. We wanted to do

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Speaker 1: special episode the fact that they haven't taken us off

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring in one of my great friends

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Speaker 1: and longtime broadcast partner on the Arizona Cardinal Games, Ron Wolflee.

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Speaker 1: For those of you that may not know, Wolf was

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Speaker 1: a very good NFL player, four Pro Bowls in ten

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Speaker 1: NFL seasons. Wolf will talk about his playing days, why

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Speaker 1: a little bit more in depth on Ron Wolflee the man.

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Speaker 1: There are people that listen to the games and listen

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Speaker 1: who Ron Wolfley is at his core. This episode, we'll

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Speaker 1: a greater appreciation for who Ron Wolfley is as a person.

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Speaker 1: I went out under the football field. That's Spring, the

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Speaker 1: spring where my dad was lying in bad dying, and

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Speaker 1: I said to myself, at one hundred ninety eight pounds,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care if I'm one hundred

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Speaker 1: I don't care how bad you are. I don't care

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Speaker 1: I feel. We'll also bringing our longtime producer Jim Mhundro

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Speaker 1: to play some clips that have never made air before,

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Speaker 1: some behind the scenes stuff between Wolf and I during

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Speaker 1: game broadcasts and frankly, it's kind of embarrassing. Dude, Wolf Wolf,

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Speaker 1: Just dude, Yes, believe it, man, No, cannot believe. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be doing a game next week to play for

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Oh my gosh, I'm not even talk

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Speaker 1: about not being able to move my jar right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be locked up, baby. That's coming up as well,

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Speaker 1: along with some talk about Wolf as a broadcaster, Wolf

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Speaker 1: as a player, and much more coming up here on

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Speaker 1: Time to hear from my long time broadcast partner on

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinal Games, the one the only Ron Wolflee.

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Speaker 1: Guests number fifty. So before I actually introduce you, Wolf,

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Speaker 1: let me just go ahead and list off the previous

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Speaker 1: forty nine to just give you a sense and perspective

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Speaker 1: of the kind of company that you're in here. Here

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Speaker 1: are previous forty nine episodes. Kurt Warner, Buddha Baker, Cliff Kingsbury, Medichime,

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Speaker 1: fifty for several reasons, because, first of all, it brings

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Speaker 1: And you and I've been doing this together for eighteen years,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted you to be on this very special episode. Well, David,

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Speaker 1: So ten people came in and we called the same game.

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Speaker 1: And the first time, it's amazing you you bring up

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Speaker 1: and seriously, it was a bush. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it's gray and it's spiked. Yeah, you also have teeth

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Speaker 1: even bigger than you. Yes, or at the time, How

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Speaker 1: Never forget the number that you were drafted, David, never

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Speaker 1: I digress. First of all, didn't one of the coaches

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Speaker 1: They drafted you and thought, actually you were somebody else. No.

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Speaker 1: It didn't get any better than that. For me, personally,

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00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: it didn't, So I never used to write poetry about it.

426
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: The fact that I could step outside those white lines

427
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: when I was grown as an adult and totally love

428
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: people and respect people and treat them better than myself.

429
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: But on that football field, it was like I'd never

430
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: cheap shot you, but you were gonna get my absolute

431
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: best period. And I love that dichotomy that it was

432
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: so awesome to be able to be primal when you

433
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: needed to be primal, and then walk outside those lines

434
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: and love people and treat them right. And yeah, for me,

435
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: I really didn't have a problem with that. Between the

436
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: end of your playing career and broadcasting before you actually

437
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: got started in this and like I said, it's many

438
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: eighteen years doing the games, but you were doing some

439
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: other broadcasting prior to that. When did you come out

440
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: to Arizona to to make your home officially and what

441
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: was the transition like when you started getting into broadcasting

442
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: knowing that, hey, this could be my career. Yeah, David Um,

443
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: very tough set of circumstances, very difficult situation, married and

444
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: getting a divorce in nineteen ninety eight, and I came

445
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: out here. I call it my dark days. I came

446
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: out here in nineteen ninety eight, and I came out

447
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: here basically to die because I thought my life was over.

448
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: At that point in time, I was happily married and

449
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: a father of four. And for me, I came out

450
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: here and drank a bottle of Jack almost every other night,

451
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about drinking a lot, showing up at

452
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock in the morning, and shutting it down twelve

453
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: hours later, for the most part, And it's so hard

454
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: for me to recall that and remember myself being that way.

455
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: Yet I was David, and it was very, very difficult.

456
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: And I came down here because Jude Lacava once again

457
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: asked me and said, there's a new radio station KMVP

458
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: eight sixty am that is opening up. Why don't you

459
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: come down here and actually try broadcasting. Why don't you

460
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: try out? And that's what I did, because I thought

461
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: my life basically was over. Yet at the same time,

462
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: I needed to make some money that I could send

463
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 1: the money home and of course make sure that I

464
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: was buying Jack Daniels plenty of that for the evening.

465
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: So in a span after playing ten years in the

466
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: National Football League, I lost so much. I lost everything

467
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: for the most party, and it was all my fault

468
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: because I allowed myself to walk down that path. And

469
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: to this day it's very, very difficult to talk about

470
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: because of how I failed, my family failed, my wife failed,

471
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: my kids failed, my family period, and yet I came

472
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: down here, David, I drank a bottle of Jack Daniels

473
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: in somehow, some way, I'd be ready to go the

474
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: next day and I'd start broadcasting. I'd go right to

475
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: the station, I'd broadcast and go right back to the bar.

476
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: It was, I seriously, it was unbelievable. I'm so glad

477
00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: that God pulled me out of that, but it was.

478
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: It's hard to recall, Dave. No. I appreciate you sharing

479
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: because I think it's a story that maybe a lot

480
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: of people haven't heard. And I think a lot of

481
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: people can be inspired by where you are now. And

482
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: I think one of the very interesting aspects of that

483
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: dark time for you was and you've told me the story,

484
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: and I know you've shared it. I don't know if

485
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: you've spoken about it publicly. But the waitress who was

486
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: serving you at that time was serving you alcohol, has

487
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: been your wife now for two decks. I mean it's

488
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: incredible two years how you and Stephie Well, David, as

489
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior. You

490
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: know my faith. You cannot take my faith from me.

491
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: You don't have me. You have nothing. There is no

492
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: life from my King, there is none, and because of that,

493
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: and I've believed that since I was twelve years old.

494
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: I accepted Christ as my savior when I was twelve

495
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: years old. I basically was raised in a family that

496
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: was Amish, except we drove cars and used electricity. It

497
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: was so fundamentally biblically sound, I kid you not. I'll

498
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: never forget when my older brother, Craig, who played twelve

499
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: years in the National Football League, was drafted by the

500
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. He's five years older than I am. I'll

501
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: never forget the huge family meeting we had because Craig

502
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: was going to play on the Sabbath. Okay, so now,

503
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this was a huge deal in

504
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: My grandfather said, you know what, I think he can

505
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: actually do more of God's work by actually playing on

506
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: the Sabbath and using the platform that God has given him.

507
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: Then it's going to be a negative anyways, you know

508
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: the family that I came from, and um, so for me,

509
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: it was a situation where when I went down that

510
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: path the dark days, it was never a rejection of

511
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: my God. It was never a rejection of my King.

512
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: It was never a I don't believe in you anymore.

513
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: I was broken. I was. I was just heartsick and

514
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: blind and walking down that dark path on those dark

515
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: days by myself. Man so hard to recall them once again.

516
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: But suddenly, after four years of doing that, there is

517
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: this firefly named Stephanie who's had this bar and it

518
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: was called McKenna's. And there there she is, and she

519
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: was blind, and she was absolutely beautiful. And yet I

520
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: would know or say a word to her, because this

521
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: wasn't a party. This was spread the elbows, drank the

522
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: Jack Daniels, smoked my three packs of Lucky Strikes a day.

523
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: Go ahead and do that, and you know what, don't

524
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: talk to anybody. Was it a leaving Las Vegas type,

525
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. So you were You were

526
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: there too. I was there to yes, drink myself into

527
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: oblivion for the most part. And yet here's this blonde

528
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: who was just beautiful and like a firefly, David, she

529
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: was just like in all the darkness, I was surrounded

530
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: by it, and yet she was this firefly. And my

531
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: God is faithful, even though I was unfaithful, he was faithful,

532
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: And suddenly, somehow, some way he put us together. She

533
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: actually had her faith as well, and believed in the

534
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: same Jesus that I believed in, and was running for

535
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: her own reason as well. And suddenly God put us

536
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: together and we grabbed each other's hand and said, let's

537
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: do this together. And I've been with her for twenty

538
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: two years, Thank you, Lord God. And you've been sober,

539
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: and you've been fruitful, and you've got a family with

540
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Stephanie children, you've got a great career. And there's no

541
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: easy way to segue from how serious that is to

542
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: what we're about to do. But I one of the

543
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: things I really appreciate it about you is you don't

544
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: take yourself too seriously. You laugh at yourself. You broadcast

545
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: games because you love the game. And when we've had

546
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: some seasons here where things haven't gone well and we've

547
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: we've had to try to manufacture joy and fun because

548
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: our job is to serve the listener. So how do

549
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: we keep the listener entertained? How do we keep the

550
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: listener engaged? Where the listener can experience a football game,

551
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: but experience maybe something a little bit different. And you're different,

552
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: you're different analysts. All the things you've talked about, the good,

553
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly, everything surrounding it your life, from

554
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: where you were as a child to the things you've

555
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: gone through to being a Pro Bowl player to now

556
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: being in broadcasting. That all comes out in you're talking

557
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: about how you channeled that anger as a player, the

558
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: love for the game. I think you channel that very

559
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: well on the air. I think if you're a listener,

560
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, I'm sure there's people that love

561
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley and people that don't. There's people that like

562
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: me and people probably hate me on the but you

563
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: can't say Ron Wolfley is I'm passionate. Ron Wolfley doesn't

564
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: love the game? So is that something like do you

565
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: think about that before we do a game? Or it

566
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: just comes out ever you? And I know you know

567
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: that too, because I never do. Are you kidding me?

568
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: The game of football is brutal and it is emotional,

569
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: and it's one of the things that I loved the most.

570
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: Not everybody could do it, David, Not everybody could do it. Listen.

571
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: The NFL has changed a lot, and it needed to

572
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: change it did. The biggest change in the game of

573
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: football is how you train a human being to play

574
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: in a football game. Period. You don't beat the living

575
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: dog out of a human being to get him ready

576
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: to play in an NFL game. That's what you used

577
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: to do. Anyways, it's all changed. But having said that,

578
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: football was my way out. Football was what got me

579
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: out of that that dead end street, so to speak.

580
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: Football gave me the opportunity, by God's hand in my life.

581
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: Using football, I was able to suddenly, um change the

582
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: paradigm for me growing up completely. I used to say

583
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: it all the time, and it's so true. Mother Gridiron, right,

584
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: the game of football itself will love you. It will

585
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: love you. It will nurse you like a newborn babe

586
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: nursing on its mother, if you will just embrace it

587
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: with everything that you've got, if you will just go

588
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: out onto the field and let yourself know. I'm seriously

589
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: I was trying to go down a different path with this,

590
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: but that's all. That's okay, you're getting fired up again.

591
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: It's good. I'm setting out right now. This is the

592
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: game will reward you if you'll just love her back

593
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: and give everything you've got in between those white lines.

594
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: Not enough people understand that I had no right playing

595
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: in the National Football League for ten days, let loan

596
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: ten years. I not only played ten years, but by

597
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: God's grace in my life. Went to four Pro Bowls.

598
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: As you said, I was team captain eight of the

599
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: ten years I was in the National Football League. Why

600
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: because I knew what it was like to give all

601
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: that I had, which is one hundred percent. Don't give

602
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: me your one hundred and five percent day, don't give

603
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: me your one hundred and nine percent. I don't want

604
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: to hear that you don't have it. There is no

605
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: such thing as one hundred and ten percent. It's one

606
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: hundred percent. I was trying to channel this back into broadcasting.

607
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going there. I don't know

608
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: if that's where you're going. No, Okay, I was trying

609
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: to Are we gonna have to addit? This man point

610
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: I was making is that all the things you did

611
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: to work yourself into an altered state to play football, Yeah,

612
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: in a way comes out naturally in broadcasting. And I

613
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: want to bring in our producer Jim one hundred, who's

614
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: been with us for eighteen years. Because Omo his nickname,

615
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: he's been part of the organization for a long time.

616
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: His dad was the head trainer for the Cardinals forever,

617
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: and so he's kind of been a part of this

618
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: and knows you as well as anybody. And you know

619
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: I mentioned that you don't take yourself too seriously. And

620
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I think for again a lot of Cardinal fans before

621
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: I bring in Jim. Just the year we went to

622
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, I'll never forget you and I are

623
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: on the bus going over to the game from the

624
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: hotel and Kurt Warner is sitting in front of us,

625
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: and you and I are sitting next to each other,

626
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: and we're like, it's Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner getting ready

627
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: to go play in the Super Bowl. What's he's played

628
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: in this game before? I wonder how many other guys

629
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: on this bus right now are crapping their pants, and

630
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: how many of these guys are looking at Kurt. Look,

631
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at that guy, and I'm gonna follow

632
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: that guy. And I remember you and I kept telling

633
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: each other like, hey, we don't know if this is

634
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: ever gonna happen again. From enjoy it, soak it all in.

635
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: And I there's so many things about that day that

636
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: I remember. And then we've had other great playoff games,

637
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: the Packers with Baum, the Packers playoff game after we

638
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Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl. There have been great moments

639
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: in great playoff games, but there have also been times

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00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: where when things weren't going well, we had to how

641
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: do we keep the fan entertained in tuning in to

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00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and being interested in Cardinal football and being

643
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: entertained at the same time. So anyway, Ohma, why don't

644
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: you jump in here, because I think there are a

645
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: lot of moments we've had over the years that kind

646
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: of illustrate that that if I'm a fan, I can

647
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: even if things aren't going well, I can still enjoy

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00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: a Cardinals game. I think that you said it well

649
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: when you when you said that even if the season

650
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: isn't going well, you still found a way to have

651
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: fun and bring the entertainment. Little did you guys know

652
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: that you brought the entertainment to me in several different ways.

653
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: And you guys know me, you know better than anyone.

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00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: And the recorder is always on, no matter if it's

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Speaker 1: uh on the air or off the air. So I

656
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: have a library that often joke to you guys that

657
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: you know your roast is gonna be amazing, but today,

658
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: basically you're gonna self roast. I pulled probably six or

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Speaker 1: seven clips from over the years. I actually ran out

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00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: of time. There's way too much we could do this

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00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: every year. So oh yeah, so I you know, every

662
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: broadcast starts with mike checks. Now we have the right level.

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00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 1: Let's say, hey, can you give me a mic check?

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Speaker 1: And uh I put together some of the uh the

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00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: fun mic checks from over the years to take a listen,

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Speaker 1: Hi over Body, Cardinals ran anyone ring, Woefle Woefle. Yeah, yeah,

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00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: that's that's real, real dis Yeah yeah, wolf check one

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00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: one two, one two your botta chuck hot? I know

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Speaker 1: how all right? Yes, one, two, three, Ladies and gentlemen,

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00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: Ron wilfully getting ready to broadcast from the Edward Jones Down. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I got your order. Gonna hit them high in them

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Speaker 1: all by. First of all, are you sure that's us?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that I could

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Speaker 1: fully believe that. I believe that was wolf. I'm not

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00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: sure that that was really Yeah, that was I think

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00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: about a minute worth, but I could probably put a

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Speaker 1: ten minute. Well, uh time, Well you have the floor next.

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00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: There's often times, too where in broadcasting you say things

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00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: that everyone knows what you're trying to say, but it

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00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: doesn't come out that way. And once upon a time

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00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: you heard Edward Jones dome in at last clip. Once

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00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: upon a time in Saint Louis, Dave Pash had one

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00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: of those moments, and it left me on the floor

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Speaker 1: of the booth, and it left Wolf quite speechless for

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Speaker 1: a few seconds. Let's just take a listen. Here, Warner

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Speaker 1: takes the snap straight drop, looking left, firing into the

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Speaker 1: end zone. It's battered up in the air by Fakir

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00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Brown and out of bounds in the back of the

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00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: end zone. It hit Brown or right in the helmet,

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00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: right off his dong and out of the back of

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00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: the end zone is dong. You know what I meant

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Speaker 1: third domin eight at the fourteen yard line of Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: I meant his ding. I meant his dome. I meant

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Speaker 1: his dome. The best part about that clip is Wolf's

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00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: just paused and then he goes Who's dome? Okay, so

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Speaker 1: full disclosure. That may have been the game that I

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00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: was not fully there, meant to leap because I had

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00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: a foreign substance in my system. Okay, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the t shot you touch I woke up.

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00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: I think it was that day I woke up. I

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00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: couldn't move my neck, couldn't move it. Yeah, And so

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00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: you convinced me because you used to get shot up

703
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: every game. You're like, go get go, get shot up

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00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: by one of the team docks. Yeah. And I'm like,

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00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: what do you mean. He's like, I'll trust me, it'll

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00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: feel better, you'll be able to do Lynda Blair right,

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00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: three sixty exactly. And so I go downstairs into the

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Speaker 1: locker room with Wolf and first of all, like everybody's

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00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: kind of like, okay, well what's going on here. I'm like,

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00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: I can't move my neck. Document her to adjust me

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00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. And then I go in and one

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00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: of the docks pulls out a big needle and I said, so,

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00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: what is this like four advil? He's like that it's

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: more like thirty. He shoots me in the rear end.

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00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to me, Wolf is taking a picture snap he

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00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: still has it on his phone, and then I show

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00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: it to you, just so yeah, you don't get cocky.

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00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: By the way, I couldn't move my neck, and I

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00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: was pretty fired up. I was pretty juice. So that

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00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: could have been the reason for the mistake. First of all,

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00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: stop a thing about this right now. The way you

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00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: set that up day that honestly, it doesn't do a

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00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: justice whatsoever. You got shot up to do a broadcast?

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00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea how legendary that is? At

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00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: your behest, you forced me to do it. You were like, like,

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00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: you know what would it? Would it help my neck? Honestly? Yea, David, Yeah,

727
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna help your neck. Look you know what, it

728
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: will stick the blue juice right in your can and

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00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: you'll be able to broadcast. That's it, man, I can't

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00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: even believe that that is the most legendary thing. I

731
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: wish that happened to me. Where I wish I would

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00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: have gotten shot up to do a broadcast. As Johnny

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00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: Carson would say, we have a clip. Normally, Ron Wolfley

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00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: is extremely passionate. That level of energy has reached the

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00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: new height today as his broadcast partner was able to

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00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: do something that wolf himself has not done in a decade.

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Speaker 1: You were awfully proud to see it done. That's right,

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00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: you've taken the shot, is that what you're talking about?

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00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: Woke up neck and back, couldn't move my neck. We

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00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: tried everything. The only antidote was to get shot up.

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Speaker 1: You are the stuff of legend. My brother shot up

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00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: for a broadcast there it is said it at the

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00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: time and will continue to say it. That is still, man,

744
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: one of the best things that could possibly happen. You

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00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: get shot up as a broadcaster to go talk a

746
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: little t shot. Well, you know when Pash woke up

747
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: and had a complaint. But over the years, there's been

748
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: several times where each of you have complained about something

749
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: and I put a few of those together. Got a

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00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: crimp in my hip? All right there, chief Chief? My

751
00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: butt is hurting first it was your hip. Oh but yeah, yeah,

752
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: my knees are killing. It is warming here? Isn't? Yeah?

753
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: It is? Wow? Is anyone else just ripping? Here? Is there? Anyway?

754
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: Are you doing anything right now? Could you try to

755
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: find me for Adville? I got this massive spike in

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00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: my head, you know, and I think I got a

757
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: couple here Wolf. What do you have, David? Adville's always

758
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: worked the best for me, Man. I got a headache?

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00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: Any advil? Oh? Yeah, I do. I've had it for

760
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: like three days. Seriously, you want it? Yeah? If he

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00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: got something, you know, I got advil, Duke just like two,

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00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: David crank it up. Now you're kidding me too. That

763
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: will do nothing. I start with four. Really, yeah, here

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00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: you go. Oh I've had it, man, I got it

765
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: down now. Oh my goodness, I give me two advil please, David,

766
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: come on, man, just cram it down. You want to

767
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: get rid of it? Or do you not? You must

768
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: have an iron stomach when when you whenever that day

769
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: comes and they do the autopsy, they're gonna be like,

770
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: we just found a cure for something we thought was incurable,

771
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: and it's in Ron wolf Lee's system. How do we

772
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 1: extract it and use it worldwide? It really is, even

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00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: to this day right now, Edville has very little effect

774
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: on me right now. Sometimes you got to take six

775
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: to get the job done, as does coffee. I don't

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00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: recommend that to anybody that is listening. I walked in

777
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: here with a small coffee that's been half consumed. I

778
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: give Wolf sent me a text of what he wanted

779
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: from Starbucks. Let's just say there were four more shots

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00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: in there than I normally have. Right, go ahead. So

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00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: when putting us together, I knew over the years, we've

782
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: all encountered great characters and players from team's past, and

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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: one of those guys is the Hall of Famer gray

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00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: Beard as you call him, Kurt Warner. One time, I

785
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: believe it was around two thousand and seven or eight,

786
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: we were playing and Kurt took a shot to the

787
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: chin and he didn't have the hard chin strap. He

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00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: had like a little cloth of one, and it became

789
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: red because he was cut under there. And during the

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00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: break I suggested a nickname that we should call him

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00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: upon our return, and uh, this is the conversation leading

792
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: back into the actual broadcast. The gray Beard turned to

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00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: the red Bear. You say that. I no, you say it,

794
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: and then I'll say, hoist the calash. You're a slimy dog,

795
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: baty me. Vernacles are kidding me. We're gonna call the

796
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: rest of the game like a pirate dude. Stop cover

797
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: that kick and do it smartly laughing during the break,

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00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner is no longer gray Beard. He's now called

799
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: red Beard, right, wolf Bat. He's got a red beard

800
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: with the blood coming off the chip and dripping after

801
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: the hit by Kavika Mitchell, Hurt Worner calas, oh my goodness.

802
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: First of all, you tried to go right there, didn't

803
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: you tried? Yeah, that was you, the little er the

804
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: nicknames like that was easy. That was an easy nickname.

805
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: Some of the nicknames that you come up with over

806
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: the years. Larry Fitzgerald to this day despises You called

807
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: him the Japanese fighting fish. And you got it from

808
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: the movie The Naked Gun. Yes, right, single minded and

809
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: deadly of purpose, that's what U. Who is the game

810
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: show host who plays the bad guy? No, I am

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00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: Ricardo Montalba. But he wasn't a game show. He was

812
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: in Fantasy Island. Ricardo. Yeah, he says, a Japanese fighting fish.

813
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: It's a type of fish single minded and deadly purpose.

814
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: And that's what you called Larry. You called the greatest

815
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: yes player in Cardinal's history. That first of all, you

816
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: gotta google Japanese fighting fish. Go ahead and google it,

817
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: because you'll see it. It's a side shot. You get

818
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: a side shot, a profile, if you will, of the

819
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Japanese fighting fish. It looks like Fancy with the hair

820
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: and everything that he's got. It looks like Fitzy in

821
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: his profile for the ball's part. Right, and not only that,

822
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: deadly and single minded of purpose, said Ricardo mappel Bon.

823
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: Oh why um I called him the Japanese fighting fish.

824
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: Because of the red zone. The red zone in Larry,

825
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: if he got the ball, he was going to score

826
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: a touchdown, right? Was he not going to score a touchdown?

827
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: Of course? The Japanese fighting fish was deadly and single

828
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: minded of purpose. He was going to get it into

829
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: the end zone. That's why I called we didn't need

830
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: the five minute X one. I just was saying, oh,

831
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: you didn't want but three of my favorite wolf leism.

832
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: So again another bat had nickname, but the way he

833
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: does hate it, just for he hates it. Most people

834
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: hate the nicknames. Yes, you called Adrian Wilson the gas man. Yeah,

835
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and again a bad nickname. But what was

836
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: really funny was if if there was a big play

837
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: by Adrian Wilson, Wolf on the air would go does

838
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: anybody smell gas? That? Along with at the line of

839
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: scrimmage you would say that's where the fur flies. I

840
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: love that because it's such an appropriate picture for no doubt.

841
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: And then I forgot what the other one was go

842
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: ahead of him? So I had something else, But the

843
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz secondary you're forgetting not ah, that's right,

844
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz secondary where you had ten man,

845
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: of course, and I think Greg Toler was brave. Total

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00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: you remember, total right there, excellent go ahead. Speaking of

847
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: another character, Neil Rackers, you know, he had a very

848
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: solid kicking career. Um a few high profile misses, but

849
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: for the most part he was one of the better

850
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: kickers we've had here. But he also was known as

851
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: a pretty good tackler. For a kicker, he'd go in

852
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: there and uh. He definitely left an impression on Wolf

853
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: back in the day. Let's take a listen, were laughing

854
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: at Wolf. Somebody get Neil Rackers and neck roll him

855
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: flying that seem running serious Neil Kicker rage. He said,

856
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: a frenzy down there, Neil Rackers. Let's let's see get

857
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: him a neck roll, brother. I mean, you've got he

858
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: can run too. He has a little feet. I cannot

859
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: believe that. Whoa did you say? He was no Jay feeling?

860
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: All right? Jay would go down there, and Jay would

861
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: go down there, he would. But man, Rackers was nuts.

862
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: If you will hear the screaming of it. He was.

863
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: He was a different dude. I think one of my

864
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: good Way favorite wolf Lee is ms that he doesn't

865
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: use anymore that I would love for him to bring back.

866
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: But I can understand why it might have a negative

867
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: connotation or a word picture that's inappropriate. Is like if

868
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman got beat, wolf would say he got

869
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: his Jimmy whipped. Yeah, right, exactly why can't you say that?

870
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean

871
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: what some might think it does. It doesn't mean exactly.

872
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: It's just a name you pick. You could say he

873
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: got his Johnny whipped. Whatever. Well, that one probably is

874
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: what a little bit more close to home? What are

875
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: you talking about? Well? John and Jimmy John is a

876
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: term that's used with Matthews. See why why do we

877
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: have any more? Save one last time? A good walk

878
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: off one for this part of the program. Um So

879
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, everyone remembers the great run

880
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl super Bowl forty three, but two

881
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: games before that, it's probably the most incredible memory I

882
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: ever have, Like no one gave the Cardinals a chance

883
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: to go into Carolina and win the divisional playoff against

884
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: the Panthers, who were undefeated at home. It was Jake

885
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: Delom's birthday, you know. The Cardinals got off to a

886
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: huge lead and we just kept looking around as like,

887
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: don't don't say no, don't say anything. Don't say anything.

888
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: And then it became clear like we're gonna win this

889
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: game and we're gonna be playing in the NFC Championship.

890
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: We found out the next day that we'd be hosting

891
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. But listen that I always liked this

892
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: clip and I always wanted to play it on the air,

893
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: never really had the opportunities too. This is a good

894
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: time to do it. You guys, especially Dave Pash sound

895
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: like a little kid who just got the best Christmas

896
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: present ever. So this is off air and then it

897
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: goes back to on air and then back off again.

898
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: Just listen to the Jubilasian in the booth. I think

899
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: I might even be screaming in the background on this one.

900
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: But this one is one of my favorite memories in

901
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: my twenty two years of doing this. Dude, Wolf, Wolf,

902
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: Just dudes, do you believe it? Man? No, I cannot

903
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: believe We're gonna be doing a game next week to

904
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: play for the Super Bowl. Oh my gosh, I'm not

905
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: even talking about not being able to move my jar

906
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: right now. I'm gonna be locked up, baby, blowout City,

907
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: blow Up. Thank you so much. The Cardinals knock off

908
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panther's thirty three thirteen. They are going to

909
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game back in a moment on the

910
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: Cardinals radio network. Yes, we're playing for the right to

911
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl. I cannot believe it. I

912
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: never ever ever thought I would see it this quickly,

913
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: this quickly, dude, never thought i'd see it? Is that? Yes?

914
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: All right? Boys right, never a doubt. Yeah, yes, you

915
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: gotta be joking. University of Phoenix Stadium will be a

916
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: freak show. Wow you're predicting. Yeah, well we would host.

917
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: Um that was two thousand and eight, so that was

918
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: six years into it, and so and for me and

919
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: I still feel this way. And this is my twenty

920
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: first year you know, doing games. I love doing games

921
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: for ESPN. Love it. Yeoh, this is different because the

922
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals had become my team. They became my team early on.

923
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: I grew up in Wisconsin. I was not a huge

924
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: Packer fan. Don mccowski was the quarterback when I was

925
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: growing up, The Magic Man. I met him one time

926
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: and he called himself the magic Man when he introduced himself. Um,

927
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: don't ever do that, kid, don't do that. Very nice

928
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: guy though, but like I didn't have growing up in Madison. Again,

929
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: kind of a Packer fan, but not really. And so

930
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: when I got the job here, you know, you are

931
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: around the team, you're part of the team. You live

932
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: and die with what happens. So it became my team quickly.

933
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: And obviously I've stayed here for more than twenty years,

934
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: so it gives me a chance to root. So just

935
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: listening back to that fourteen years ago, I mean, that's real,

936
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: that's real emotion. And hopefully Cardinal fans and they listen

937
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: to us, Hopefully they sense that it's important to us too,

938
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: that we care, because really our job is to be

939
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: the conduit. Like what you say and what I say,

940
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: the fan is supposed to be thinking the same thing,

941
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: and sometimes that means saying something that maybe somebody doesn't

942
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: want to hear. Right now, I think we're good at that.

943
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: I think we're very fair. I think we can criticize,

944
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: but we criticize in a fair professional murder, sure, because

945
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: sometimes there are things that need to be said because

946
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: the fans are thinking that and they expect that. David,

947
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: for me, I can tell you right now, I think

948
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: we are really really good at being objective on that.

949
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: Am I a homer? Absolutely, I'm paid by the team.

950
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: I bleed Cardinal Red. I had seven of my best years.

951
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: I played ten years in the NFL, and seven of

952
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: my best years it was with the Arizona Cardinals in

953
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals. So yeah, there's no doubt about it.

954
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: I bleed Cardinal Red. Yet at the same time, I

955
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: can be fair and objective and be able to look

956
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: at it, and I think we do a very very

957
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: good job and have done a good job of being

958
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: objective and not being blinded by the fact that we

959
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: want the Cardinals to win games. It's not like I'm

960
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: doing a national broadcast. It's not like you're doing a

961
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: national broadcast. We're broadcasting for Cardinal fans on the radio.

962
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: So heck yeah, I'm not afraid of letting them know

963
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: that I want the Cardinals to win a game. Yet

964
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think we've always done a

965
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: fair and accurate job of describing what is happening and

966
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: doing it objectively. Ohms, anything else now, I was going

967
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: to say to finish up on the Carolina game. The

968
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: one clip I didn't play was the clip of former

969
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: front office executive accidentally drinking Wolf's dip spit. Yeah, Nie

970
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: accident went to sip his coffee and sipped Wolfs no

971
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: dip spit. Oh my goodness, I want to bar fright now.

972
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: You want to seriously, what is going on? He looked,

973
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: he saw a ghost. Um. The best memory ever for

974
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: me personally was the NFC Championship game when we were

975
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl and we knew it that

976
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: fourth down play right there covers zero. Here we go

977
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: and suddenly went after against the Philadelphia Eagles, hosting it

978
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: right there at the stadium a home game. The realization

979
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: of knowing that we were going to the Super Bowl

980
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: still is my favorite memory personally to this day. For me,

981
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: it was the Super Bowl again, just being a part

982
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: of it, taking it all in, remembering every moment. I remember.

983
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: I'd done a college basketball game at pitt the saturday

984
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: before I went down to Tampa with the team, and

985
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: then flew out to do my ESPN responsibilities, and I

986
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: had an assignment at Pittsburgh, and so I flew from

987
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to Tampa and I am the only person on

988
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: the plane think of where I'm coming from, not in Steeler.

989
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: Geart whoa, And someone asks me sitting next to me,

990
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: are you going down to the Super Bowl? Like, yep,

991
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: you're not a Steeler fan. I worked for the Cardinals.

992
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: You want to go. Thankfully this person was kind enough

993
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: to not stand up. It's hey, we got a Cardinal.

994
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: It was every single person on the plane with Steeler gear.

995
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: And again, just from the bus ride over. First of all,

996
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: we thought we might miss the bus. We'll close on

997
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: this thought we might miss the bus. We are sitting there,

998
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: you and I are talking to the late great Bill Bidwell.

999
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: We're having a conversation. Mister B is sharing great stories.

1000
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: One of the things I always appreciated about mister B

1001
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: was he had a very He had a wide knowledge

1002
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: of broadcasting. He really knew broadcasting, going back to Saint

1003
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: Louis and some of the legendary broadcasters going back to

1004
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: Jack Buck. He knew them all and knew about them.

1005
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: And I'm very immersed in the history of broadcasting. And

1006
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: so he was telling all these stories and then storyteller,

1007
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: I look up. There's three people left in the meal room, you, me,

1008
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: and mister B. I'm like, oh my goodness, we are

1009
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: going to miss the bus to the Super Bowl and

1010
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: then we were like, wait a second, they're not leaving

1011
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: without him. Good, but getting there. I didn't script anything,

1012
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, you want to those moments where like when

1013
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: I do a TV game, I will always script my

1014
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: open the first thirty to forty seconds where you come

1015
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: on the air. You saw you show shots of you know,

1016
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: if it's an NBA game, the way it's set up

1017
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times because the stars are the show,

1018
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: it's set up almost like a boxing match. So if

1019
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: you're watching an NBA game, you know, in this corner

1020
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: it was it was last week, So it's Lakers Clippers.

1021
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. You know, it's without saying in this corner,

1022
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: but it's Lebron James and the Lakers, Paul George and

1023
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: the Clippers, and you're kind of setting it up. So

1024
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: I usually script that. For the Super Bowl, I didn't

1025
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: want to script the end because I thought it would

1026
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: jinx it. If I wrote something down, I am going

1027
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: to jinx it. So I'm not going to do factor. Yeah,

1028
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. When the Cardinals took the

1029
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: lead and Larry Fitzgerald ran into the end zone, and

1030
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: first of all, they're playing the Cardinals, touchdown music that

1031
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: we played at State Farm Stadium. And also this booth

1032
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: next to us full of NFL employees are looking at

1033
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: us laughing because we are going nuts, and actually the

1034
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: stadium has kind of turned and they're rooting for the

1035
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: Cardinals obviously not the Steeler fans. So I'm like, I

1036
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: bet I better put something down. I better write something

1037
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: down because if they win, whatever I say, it's going

1038
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: to be played over and over again for a long time.

1039
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what I wrote down, but I

1040
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: do remember that I tore it up and threw it

1041
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: in the trash about a minute later because Aaron Francisco

1042
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: fell down they got into steel Cardinal territory, and then

1043
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: Santonio Holmes two minutes. Yeah, in seconds. But look, there

1044
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: have been a lot of great moments since. There have

1045
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: been some heartbreaking moments since. And Wolf, we've been doing

1046
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: this together for eighteen years. I hope we get to

1047
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: do it for at least eighteen. Yeah. I appreciate you

1048
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: coming in. Thank you for sharing a lot about who

1049
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: you are. If there are people that didn't know your backstory,

1050
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: whether it's as a player or some of the things

1051
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: you've been through personally, I think if you didn't love

1052
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley before, you'll you'll you'll come away love and

1053
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: Ron wolf David love you you great stuff. This was fun.

1054
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Wolf Holmes, thanks for helping appreciate it. There's play

1055
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: more where that came from. Well, we went about an hour.

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Speaker 1: We honestly could have gone about four hours. There's so

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Speaker 1: much more we could have discussed. Hopefully Cardinal fans and

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Speaker 1: even if you're not a Cardinal fan, you've got a

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Speaker 1: maybe get a greater appreciation for Wolf as a broadcaster.

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Speaker 1: You can just hear the passion in this conversation with

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Speaker 1: Wolf and obviously that comes out on game day as

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Speaker 1: well as he eats and breaths Arizona Cardinal football. We

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Speaker 1: the previous forty nine episodes of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to you for listening. Thanks again to our

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Speaker 1: guest Ron Wolfley for being a part of the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.