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Speaker 1: Wow, this is incredible. This is the Taking a Walk podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're actually in person to Harry Jacobs, the King of

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Speaker 1: the Music History Desk, playing us on. We're in the

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Speaker 1: hills of Connecticut in person, which is even more special.

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Speaker 1: And my god, I feel like I'm in a coffee house.

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Speaker 2: This is this song that I wrote. I don't write

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Speaker 2: any music at all, but I wrote a song twenty

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Speaker 2: five years ago and was noodling around with it and

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't sing. And when you were looking to

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Speaker 2: I said, I got something.

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Speaker 3: I think I got something.

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Speaker 2: I got something for you.

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Speaker 3: I think you got something. What was it?

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Speaker 2: Inspired by it? It was supposed to have some it

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Speaker 2: was supposed to promote some emotion.

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Speaker 3: It's got that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's what it was. And I couldn't

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Speaker 1: So and I picture as we're looking at Taking a Walk,

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Speaker 1: sign and the birds are flying. One day we'll ask

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Speaker 1: everybody do you know where that is? But I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to tell anybody right now. I'm gonna just have

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Speaker 1: picture is from that day? You were to be happy

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Speaker 1: to tell you privately if you reach out to me,

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Speaker 2: Ask you here who were you taking a walk with?

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Speaker 2: I'm how to have you guests, but not right now.

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Speaker 2: But take one guess. I think that's our friend Willy B.

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Speaker 2: I think that's somewhere in parts unknown in Connecticut, n

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Speaker 2: That's a good guess.

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Speaker 1: That's incorrect, incorrect, but anyway, thank you for this opportunity

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Speaker 1: be in the wonderful hills of Connecticut. A beautiful day.

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Speaker 1: And it's a version of this Week in Music History

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Speaker 2: It's not the typical week that with a lot of

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Speaker 2: content that we normally have, you know, with led Zeppelin

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Speaker 2: almost leaning pop Elvis in nineteen fifty four, on July seventh,

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Speaker 2: they released Teddy Bear, one of my favorites, hoky kind

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Speaker 1: Elvis in the Teddy Bear era, Okay, Elvis in terms

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Speaker 2: The sixty eight comeback was so amazing. I just watched

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Speaker 1: Mister Spencer Prawford behind that absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 2: Teddy Bear was played for the first time on July seventh,

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty four, on a radio station called w HBQ

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Speaker 2: ware for all the cash and prizes on today's episode Buzz.

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Speaker 3: Memphis, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Get that man his doctor, shoul shoes and suave the

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Speaker 2: ourn Thank you nineteen sixty five Sonny and Share It

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Speaker 2: performed I Got You Babe on Shindig and this was

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Speaker 3: Of time, stands the test of time.

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Speaker 3: The wall, Share let it all go. She looked beautiful.

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Speaker 3: So that's our share.

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Speaker 2: This program has a connection to the Rock and Roll

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame taking a Walk. Certain episodes are curated,

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Speaker 2: Yes huge, Yes. July seventh, nineteen sixty seven. The anthemic

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Speaker 2: all you Need Is Love was recorded by the Beatles.

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Speaker 2: That's a song I would defy you to walk into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the documentary Becoming led Zeppelin is sensational and it

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six for the Jefferson Starship. They played in

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Speaker 2: He's still my man. Nineteen seventy seven, Donna Summer released

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Speaker 3: It's nice. Actually it was living. It's nice.

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Speaker 1: It was quite a moment, and it was It's interesting

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Speaker 2: By the way, you remember how Burkowitz was caught, right,

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Speaker 2: That's how they tracked them down again pre technology. But

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Speaker 1: I am exhausted from it, possibly exhausted from last night

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Speaker 1: I loved every second of it. Harry, would you play

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely good.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been played on and played off for

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening to the Taking a Walk podcast. Thank

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Speaker 2: Goodbye Bus,