1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyon. In this episode number nineteen, Today 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: we're joined by Jim Shocky, one of the most legendary 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: figures in the world of hunting. The topic of our 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: conversation hunting northern white tails. This is an awesome conversation, 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: So get pumped, get set, and let's go. All right, 9 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. Within this afternoon 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: is my co host Dan Johnson, and joining us is 11 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: our very special guest today, Jim Shocky. Welcome to the show, Jim, 12 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Yeah, we're we're thrilled to have 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: you joining us. And I know you've got a lot 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: going on this time of year, so so it means 15 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: a lot. And how are you this afternoon? Uh? You know, 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually good because I'm at home. Any time 17 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: i'm at home, I'm I'm a pretty happy camper, kind 18 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: of the opposite of everybody else on the planet that 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: likes to go camping. And I'm I'm pretty happy to 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: be at home for a few days. A year. That 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: is nice. I imagine that you are gone a ton, 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: so I can see why that would be. That would 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: be really nice. Now, you know, for most of our listeners, Jim, 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you don't need an introduction. You're one of 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: the most renowned big game outfitters in the world, and 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: your television shows have been some of the most highly 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: acclaimed um An outdoor television history. Really um But with 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: that said, we always like to learn a little bit 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: something new about every one of our guests. So I 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: was hoping if if you don't mind, if you could 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: share just a little bit about, you know, maybe how 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: you got started in the industry and outfitting, and maybe 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: how you got to this point that you're at now today. Sure, yeah, 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: I um containing exactly what. It was easy and I 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: were just married in nineteen eighty four, in November, and 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: so nine five, you know, by June, um she was 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: actually we had our first son, Brandon on the way, 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: so so she was she has morning. Second, I had 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of time on my hands, and I thought, 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: if I had all this time, this would be when 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: I should try writing. I mean, I loved I grew 42 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: up reading Jack O'Connor and out to Our Life and 43 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: Peterson's Hunting magazines, and and I thought I had tried 44 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: my hand at writing, since definitely there wasn't much else 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: going on around our house at that point. So so 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I wrote my first article back then, and that's really 47 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: how I started into the hunting industry. So that would 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: be thirty years ago. Now wow, and since then, you know, 49 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: from the from the writing side of things, you know, 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: how did you take that next step into out mating 51 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: and then eventually TV? Was that by chance or did 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: you plan that? How did that happen? And that was 53 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of both. The writing was going quite well, um 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: we uh, you know, I was mostly writing up in 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Canada at that time, but then twenty Night with muzzleloading. 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: He saw my writing and saw that I was I 57 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: was using a muzzle quite a bit, and so he 58 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: contacted me and invited me down to a couple of 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: industry on where he met they really fancy guys famous 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: to me, you know, like Judd Cooney and Jim Zumble 61 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: at that point it was Bill Jordan was around there, 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: Larry why shouldn't we all in that one hunt? So 63 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: I that started me into the American side of things, 64 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, he like I say, Tony introduced me to everybody, 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: and I got to start writing for the American magazines. 66 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: At that point, I knew I was going to make 67 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: a living in the in the hunting industry. I just 68 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: know what that might be. I mean, I still have 69 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: my antique business is doing at that time, laying and 70 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: selling antique furniture, refinishing it um. So I just didn't 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: know if I'd be selling outdoor T shirts, so if 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: I'd be outfitting when I When I finally pushed a 73 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: few numbers, I realized it wasn't a bunch of money 74 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: and T shirts for me, but I could make a living. 75 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: So I so that I bought my first helpfing Territory. 76 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: I remembered my wife and I had a long conversation 77 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: with This was ninety two at the and we we 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,559 Speaker 1: mortgaged our house through the help board every pain I could, 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: and and bought my first outfit in character I mean Island, 80 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: because I was because I was already in the writing world. 81 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: The manufacturers pretty much knew who I was, and anyone 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: with a television show knew who I was. You remember 83 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: Marca l Barbara from the North American Hunter magazine and 84 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: their television showed by the same name, contacted me and 85 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: asked if I would, you know, take them out on 86 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: a hunt, and they were going to film it for ESPN. 87 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: And that was my first my filming debut, so that 88 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: that was the luck part of it. Um. After that 89 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: once actually aired a lot of the other television people 90 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: at that time, which they weren't a lot of it. 91 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: It was a pretty small world, you know. They most 92 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: of them contacted me over time, and but I guide 93 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: them and take them in a hunt in my territory. 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: And and because I was in front of the camera 95 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: so much, it just sort of became second nature. Actually 96 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: worked with Bill Jordan and David Blunton and the guys 97 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: that Real fields for five years on PNN, and then 98 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: uh I started my own show in ninety three was 99 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: the first year it add sorry two thousand three continues out. 100 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: So so it was it was kind of a little 101 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: bit a lot, great place, right time, with the right 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: product and and a lot of really good teachers mentoring 103 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: me as I came up to the ranks. That's awesome. Yeah, 104 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: it seems like in so many cases that's um, you know, 105 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: we're we're blessed with good people to help us, and 106 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: many of these different opportunities end up coming up and 107 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: come because of that. So that's pretty neat to hear. Now, 108 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: speaking of your of your television shows, before we start 109 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: diving into white tails, which is what I really wanted 110 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: to focus on today, I do know that you've got 111 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: a new project that you just started this summer, and 112 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: that is your new show Uncharted. So that said, you know, 113 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: could you fill us in a little bit about you know, 114 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: what Uncharted is all about and why this project is 115 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: something that you're so excited about. True, it's actually a 116 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: co production between ourselves and the Outdoor Channel and it's 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: uh it's one of, if not the first one hour 118 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: outdoor program um hearing I think five times of weeks. 119 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: So you know, the Outdoor Channels invested a lot of 120 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: time and effort, you know, and indologence to this project 121 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: so that from the production side, the production values are 122 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: higher than we've ever attained with any of our preview shows. 123 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: And with an hour long we get to now tell 124 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: the story a lot of the a lot of the 125 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: storyline we had to leave on the edit room floor 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: in exchange for almost montage music video type field to 127 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: the TV shows half an hour. When you take out 128 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: all the commercials and take out the intro, and take 129 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: out you know, the you know thanks at the end 130 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: and and pilots whatnot, you end up with about seventeen minutes. 131 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: And then that's not a lot to tell a story. 132 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: So now with an hour, we can actually tell a 133 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: story a lot better. On the characterization, we could spend 134 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: more time on that. Uh you know, we can talk 135 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more about what hunting means. Now. Now 136 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: it's not as fast paced as what some of the 137 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: guys have we used to but now you get to 138 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: sit there for an hour and enjoy this this program. 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: And we're all over the world into the uncharted regions 140 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: of the world, which which for us, you know, is 141 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: to be pretty uncharted, and the pumping the genie that 142 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: over the air and you know, the west coast of 143 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: British Columbia on some unknown Salmon's teams and Courier standard 144 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: believe it's airing right now. Uh Don will be off 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: in Pakistan and up to the Arctic with the Inuit. 146 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: We've already filmed in Paraguay. I think I mentioned that 147 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: just when you were are talking to for the program. 148 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: Um and I'm off to Russia right now in the 149 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: taucas Mountains for you know, the next bit of filming. 150 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: And it was that schedule him places like Morocco and Liberia, 151 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: which right now with the Ebola outbreak is it may 152 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: have to be revisited, but it's for us. I'm charged. 153 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: There's pretty wild places and where you know, but that's 154 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's on the surface, that's the locations 155 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: they actually charged. It is is more about expanding your 156 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: own or pushing back your own en ball. You know, 157 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: whoever you are, wherever you are, if you're hunted, you know, 158 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: maybe it's idiots, you know, going out in the dark 159 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: in the back fort you for somebody that uncharted territory 160 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: for them. And that's more of what the kill is about. 161 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: It's hopefully inspirational to all outdoors people. I love that 162 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: kind of philosophical angle on the more mental or spiritual 163 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: side of what uncharted means when it comes to hunting. 164 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Dan and I talked about 165 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: this a lot that there's a lot more to it 166 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: than just a place or kill. There's there's a whole 167 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: lot of memories and experiences and learning lessons that that 168 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: all kind of factor into it. So that's awesome. Everything 169 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: I've seen uncharted looks incredible and from everyone I've talked to, 170 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: there's been just rave reviews. So I'm excited to see 171 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: what the rest of the season has to offer to 172 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, well hopefully, hopefully it's gonna it's gonna resonate 173 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: with all the viewers. I mean, that will be the 174 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: most important. Well, we'll see, and I am I hope, sorry, 175 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: I tortually believe like you're saying that all hunters know 176 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: that it's not just about to kill. You know, it's 177 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: not just at the size of the animal. There's so 178 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: much more to hunting, you know, family, humor, event your culture. 179 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: These are that that's the most important person. The actual 180 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: animal is a nice bonus and that's what makes a hunting. 181 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: But but it's absolutely spiritual. Though. Doorses are cathedral? Yep? 182 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't say any better myself. Now, with 183 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: that that all said, though, I guess kind of taking 184 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: a slight right turn, I did want to make sure 185 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: while we have you to to kind of pick your 186 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: brain a little bit about what we really focus here 187 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: on wire to hunt about. And that's white tails. And 188 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: I know you run a major white tail outing outfitting 189 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: business in Saskatchewan, and I've seen you do a lot 190 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: of hunting for white tails across you know, the northern 191 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: part of the United States or North America and Canada. Um, 192 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: so that in mind, my thought today was that we 193 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: could chat with you a little bit about specifically hunting 194 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: big northern white tails. And it sounds seems like something 195 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: that that you kind of specialize in. So to kick 196 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: things off, Jim, for those of us down here in 197 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: the Midwest or in the southern US that might not know, 198 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: you know, is there really a difference between our year 199 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: down here in the South and the deer up north 200 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: and Canada? And it is so how oh, there's no question. 201 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean morphologically, you get a big Saskatchewan white tail, 202 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: block a big bush buck. Uh. They'll weigh three pounds 203 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: and and we've actually weighed them upwards of three fifty um. 204 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: And and that the mass on those deer is all 205 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: in the front end. They literally look like a bowl 206 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: coming through the forest. They're just so built up on 207 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: the front end. And you don't see that in any 208 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: of the southern deer, the southern dear you know, with 209 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: all due respect, are really pretty. I mean they're they're gorgeous, 210 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: they're beautiful, you know, rocks and long times that they're 211 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: really pretty? Are our bucks up in the north are 212 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: actually kind of uglies? Um again, with all due respect 213 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: to any to any white tail bucks that are listening 214 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: to the podcast. You know. The The other thing is 215 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: is the antlers up. It's like I'm in my office 216 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: right now looking at probably twenty mounts and European mounts, 217 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: Uh of my biggest bucks I've ever taken, and there, 218 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, they're all pretty nasty looking box. I mean 219 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: to try and find a really typical, uh, you know, 220 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: nice clean five by five is not that easy. Um. 221 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: You know, like I've taken many in the one of 222 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: these my highest is in the one nineties, and many 223 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: more in the one seventies, and only one of those 224 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: has ever netted Boone and Crockett in one seventy and 225 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: it's really the only clean, perfect five by five I've 226 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: ever taken. Uh, They're just not not that common. So 227 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: we you know, again, morphologically bides bigger uh antler wise, 228 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: they're heavier. They doesn't show up in the score because 229 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: mass doesn't amount for much on the Boone and crocket 230 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: sci scoring. You know, masses is the least important. So 231 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, our our bucks go the antler mass. But 232 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: but that doesn't count from us. So they look great 233 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: if you like, they're gnarly looking nasty rocks. Um, So 234 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: I'd say those are the two biggest differences, just the 235 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: way the lot of rocks look on the body side 236 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: of our deer in the north. Yeah. Yeah, from you 237 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: know what I've seen on videos and photographs and stuff 238 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: that seems to kind of sync up with with a 239 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: live scene. Now, another thing I'm curious about. My wife 240 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: always likes to give me a hard time about the 241 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: fact that when I go up into northern Michigan and 242 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: I kill a deer up there, she claims they taste 243 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: and they smell bad compared to the deer that I 244 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: killed down in southern Michigan or a different part of 245 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: the country that's you know, feeding on corn and beans 246 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: and whatnot. How do the bucks up in Canada taste? 247 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: They taste great? I mean I would I would defy 248 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: anybody to show me a state served in the fancy 249 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: assess for in New York City that's any better than 250 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: a than a good venice and stake from a northern buck. 251 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: Uh I, don't you know, you know, dear to me, 252 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: dear a, dear, they taste pretty good, no matter whether 253 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: from it these obviously are not corn fed for the 254 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: most part up in northern Saskatchewan. But so maybe you 255 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: might want to revisit your your wife with the message 256 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: he's trying to give you. Maybe you're you're traveling too 257 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: far away from whom you're going to want to she 258 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: went to the closer to home, who knows, But but 259 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, the meat on the on the only speaking 260 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: for Saskatchewan. I hunted Alberta extensively in British Columbia's lob 261 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: personally never hunted a Manitoba. But sorry about that. But 262 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: there's someth trying to reach me in my office right now. 263 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: Um so you know, no, the dear great, It tastes great, excellent. 264 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: There's not a uh I, like I said, to find 265 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: anybody who find a better tasting steak no matter what 266 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: the meat in the Fanciers restaurant in the world. Nice. Well, 267 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to chat with my wife about this 268 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: and see if she's playing mind games with me. May 269 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: well be Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised. Now, 270 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: how about how these dear behave? Um, you know there's 271 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: a lot of talk down here about you know, certain bucks. 272 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: Maybe a buck in Iowa, where there's less hunting pressure, 273 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: might act and behave differently than a buck in New 274 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: York State, where there's tons of hunting pressure. How do 275 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: you feel those northern white tails behave compared to maybe 276 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the average deer that most guys are hunting. Well, I 277 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: don't think there's any question that the deer in the 278 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: north uh, you know, northwest of Canada has very very 279 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: little hunting pressure compared to other parts of North America, 280 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: so they don't Like, we don't use tree stands. I 281 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: mean that's probably killed one buck in a tree stand 282 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: in my life up in Canada, one that I can remember. 283 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe too, I think I think I stayed in 284 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: the windmill one time. Um, So you know, we don't 285 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: we don't have to go up in trees or bucks, 286 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: don't you know? I've seen those ones down south. I 287 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: hunted down and while it was in Kentucky, Um, they 288 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: were walking in looking up. I mean I've never seen 289 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: that in Saskatchewan. Jarty, you know, the deer down there 290 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: just are so much more sweatston are there a lot 291 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: of you have never seen a human being before. Um, 292 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,239 Speaker 1: you know that they'll walk right, they move around diurnally. 293 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: You know they're not they're not nocturnal. They can get 294 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: nocturnal more certainly. You know, I be dependent on the weather. 295 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: If it's hot weather, they'll they'll move around at night 296 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: when it's cool. But it's not because of hunting perture 297 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: for the most part. Um So, so I would say 298 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: on a scale one to ten, where you know those 299 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: southern bucks are pushed in hunted hard. You know there 300 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: are nine in a ten out of ten hours are 301 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: more like two to four out of ten. You know 302 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: that there is certain dear if you're looking for one 303 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: particular block, they they're still not easy to get. You know, 304 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: you've got to be the right place, right time. And 305 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: if you stoked up with a doll, you're not going 306 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: to see him during the day for x amount of days. 307 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: And you know then you know, say tell us who 308 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: your area picks up a doll or another part, Well, 309 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: you're not hunting, you you might not see him for 310 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: another few days. So they're not easy to get, but 311 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: they're certainly not sophisticated relatively speaking, that's my opinion. I'm 312 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: sure that you know, some of my my peers up 313 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: here in Canada would be you know, pulling in right 314 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: now with with nasty commas. But you know they're they're 315 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: you know, in my experience, they're definitely not as with 316 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: stone as the southern deer. They're easier to hunt. Interesting, 317 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about all this 318 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: dan coming from an Iowa perspective, Um, what kind of 319 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: questions do you have about about this? For Jim, Well, 320 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: I just wish that the deer that I hunted had 321 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: never seen a human before. Unfortunately that's not the case. 322 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: But as far as uh, you know, I'd like to 323 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: go ask you kind of a broader question. You've you 324 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: finded several different species of animals in several several dishes, 325 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, different locations throughout the entire world. My question 326 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: to you is is there a similarity or a tactic 327 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: or strategy that you could like relate to white tail 328 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: hunting that all these animals have. You know, that's a funny, 329 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a good question. And by the way, 330 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: those I've taken, I think I've taken several other species 331 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: around the world's ten different other species. Just so I've 332 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: been a little bit of that taking on the world. 333 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting that I will sit for twenty 334 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: days waiting for a particularly white tail buck, uh and 335 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: turned down everything waiting for that buck, and be happy 336 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: If I don't get a buck that season, no no problem. 337 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: And I'll sit down till dark every day, you know, 338 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: in the cold swaskatchew weather and leatherly second of it. 339 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: That same tactic will work on any animal in any 340 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: place around the world, but we never use it because 341 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: it's just the white tail deer somehow. You know, they're magical, 342 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're wonderful that they're what we all 343 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: grew up hunting. It's a number one big game animal 344 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: on the planet. And we all of us, I guess, 345 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of you know, kind of big game behind Keith 346 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: on on white tail deer and most of us. So 347 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: they have us to hold a special place on our heart, 348 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: and we will sit, we will wait, We will have 349 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: the day after the after day waiting quietly, silently. Internationally, 350 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen so much, you know, I get, I 351 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: get it's tough to sit stand in the tongue waiting 352 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: for a black frinted diaker for you know, two days 353 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: straight and when you go nuts, well the twenty day 354 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: straight and the white tail be filled every second of 355 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: the day. And I don't know what that is. It's 356 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: it's it's I guess it's just the spell that white 357 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: tails cast over us as hunters U compared to anything 358 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: else on the planet. So so mostly around the world 359 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: it's spot and stock um, you know, like red stag, 360 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: over and Page. You know, you might do a little 361 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: try calling them, but you know it, it's still so 362 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: the most part of spot in stock and a fee 363 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: instances where you'll you'll still hunt, you know, sneaking through 364 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: kind of get a shot at them, um, and even 365 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: fewer instances where you'll actually sit patiently and wait for 366 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: an animal day after day after day. Um. And maybe 367 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: it's a function of you know, you're not over there 368 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: for as many days as you are the season. Here's 369 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: what three months. While most of us are around for 370 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: three months. We might only get you know, weekends off, 371 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: but we still can go back. And you kind of 372 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: wanted to be over but you kind of also don't 373 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: want it to be over um, but when you're internationally, 374 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: you really kind of want to get that animal and 375 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: and you know, because it's not that easy to get 376 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: back to those places. So it's not like you, you know, 377 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: failing at the aim woman come back in two weeks 378 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: for another weekend, and when it's a major effort just 379 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: to get there. So it's a little different focus on 380 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little higher value placed on game 381 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: animals opposed to white kilt, where it's just hunting the animal. 382 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: So yeah, that the practices would apply internationally, but the 383 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: most ass acacious way of killing white hilt sitting still awaiting, 384 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: that's not something we use internationally as much as one 385 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: would expect. It's interesting, Yeah, very interesting, And I'm curious, 386 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, given what you just said about the kind 387 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: of unique relationship you have with with white tail hunting 388 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: compared to most everything else you're doing, would you say 389 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: that white tail honey is your favorite game to hunt 390 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: or or is it something else? Yeah, that's a that's 391 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: a that's a question that I've been asked before. Here 392 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: here's how I'm going to coach it. My favorite big 393 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: game animal to hunt in the world is moose. It's 394 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: moose and you know, particularly ill asking uk and moose 395 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: up in the Yukon during the run, you know, the 396 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: first start of the run in September. That's my favorite, 397 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: big amount all the hunt in the world. Now, if 398 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: you if you just repose the question and ask me, 399 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, if you could only hunt one big game 400 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: animal for the rest of your life, what would it be. 401 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: That's a different, different answer from me. It would be 402 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: whitetail deer. And I love hunting moose and hunt them 403 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: as long as I can. But but if you took 404 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: everything away and I can only hunt one animal, it 405 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: would be white tail deer. Um. Again, I think it's 406 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: it's a lot of our value system as hunters is 407 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: based on high dear. That's what we've learned on. That's 408 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: our steel set, what we all cut our teeth on. 409 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: Whitetail deer, and you know that hunting him. Since I 410 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: was fourteen years of age, I got my first one. Internets, 411 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: I think that's forty two years ago. That's a long 412 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: time ago, you know, but you know, I certainly wasn't 413 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: hunting moose back then. I think it was sixteen before 414 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: I one of my first ones, and many years when 415 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: I didn't hunt moose to my twenties and and you know, 416 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: but I always had a white tail deer and I 417 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: always hope to be able to hunt Wait till dear, 418 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: I and my dad, uh you know that his last 419 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: year last his last year in two thousand and twelve, 420 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: and he was eighty five years old, eight actually six 421 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: and uh, I didn't didn't make it till his They 422 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: just missed the season by a year this past year. 423 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: But I mean he hunted right until literally the last 424 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: year of his life. It would be tough to do 425 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: that with moose, but you can absolutely do it with 426 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: white tail, as long as you know, you have family 427 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: members at all sort of take you out there and 428 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: help you out a little bit. So yeah, wait, waite tail, Dear, 429 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: that's the one animal that I would I would always 430 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: want to be able to hunt my entire life. I 431 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. They really do hold a special place 432 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: and in so many people's hearts. Um, they just kind 433 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: of they get in your head and your heart and 434 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: your gut and you can't get rid of them, that's 435 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: for sure. No, exactly the part to hunting white tails. 436 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: Hunters white tails hunters white tails, same difference, no difference, 437 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: absolutely so taking a turn back to back to tactics 438 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: kind of. Um, I'm curious when it comes to these 439 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: Canadian white tails, or Northern white tails in general, what 440 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: is your go to tactic. I know that you're helping 441 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: with your outfitting business, helping a lot of guys get 442 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: maybe the first Northern white tail. You know, what is 443 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: it that you're helping these guys do to make these unsuccessful? Well, 444 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean the single biggest sack on you know, that 445 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: neutralizes the skill set, a neutralizes the skill level of 446 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: every hunter. Hears the fact that we can bait up 447 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: and up in Saskatchewan can't be in Alberta ken bait 448 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: in British Columbia. Um, you know a lot of guys 449 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: will turn their nose up and say, well, bab who, 450 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: it's unethical, blah blah. But you know, we it's very 451 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: difficult to go a food clue up there. You're going 452 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: to see some maybe nine days at the most, and 453 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just such a remote country. It's 454 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: not it's not a practical thing. And up in Canada too, 455 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: it's not so much private land up in the North Country. 456 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: It's we call it crown law land. It belongs to 457 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: the government, which means you can't just go in there 458 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: and dig up to a capatch and plant you know, 459 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: some kind of seeds. You can't do that. So so 460 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: we're you know, it's very carefully controlled what you can't 461 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: date with even like no weed seeds and nothing invasive. Um, 462 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: so let's if you know, I, you know, I don't 463 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: disagree in certain situations, maybe being there isn't the most 464 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: ethical if there's other options. But up there, when you're 465 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: sitting in a in a forest that's literally you know, 466 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: millions of square miles square with with square miles with 467 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: no fences, know nothing between you and you know, the 468 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: north pole until you hit the place to be in 469 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 1: the shield, I mean, you're not allowed to build food flocks. 470 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: What options are there? While beating is a one way 471 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: that you can You can focus the doughs in an 472 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: area and the bucks will come true. Now then they're 473 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: not necessarily feeding, but they're they're certainly coming through to 474 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: check the doors. And what it becomes in is is 475 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: its pure patients game. Um. You know, sitting six days 476 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: from dawn to a dark on a stand when it's 477 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, twenty blow zeros, it takes a lot of 478 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: desire um and and a lot of patients and mental 479 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: mental focus. So there, you know, a different, different skin set. Now, 480 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: that's how you that's how you make everybody equal in 481 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: the playing field. Just to whoever's got the most perseverance 482 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: is gonna get them, get the biggest deer eventually, and 483 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna be understand when it comes by barring pure luck. 484 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: That all said, and I will bait. I mean they 485 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: don't absolutely, um, but I don't do it because it's 486 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: the best way for me to personally hunt. It's the 487 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: way that we can best get the animals on camera 488 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: coming through the woods. Um, you know, seeing what they 489 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: do all day long and there it's beautiful to see. 490 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: It's like catching release. It's it's a true catch and 491 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: release form of hunting. You can bring them in, you 492 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: can look at them. I'm not going to shoot them, 493 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: going to walk away. Attention and release and you can 494 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: enjoy the day. You know, it's as a deer doing 495 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: what they're doing in front of you. The better way 496 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: to kill a big box and this is any big buck. 497 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: And I truly believe if I know that a certain 498 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: set of tracks is made by a big block and 499 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: there's fashion on the ground. I'll kill a deer. I'll 500 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: kill it. It's just I'll track it down and I'll 501 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: kill it, pure and simple. I will get that deer. Uh. 502 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: It makes for a real crappy television footage, nothing to 503 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: share with anybody. So you'll see glimpses, pits and pieces 504 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, a patch of hair, there's 505 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: an alloy that boom and you know, shot goes off 506 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: your you know, it makes for lousy footage, but it's 507 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: it's a darn good way, an effective way to hunt, 508 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: the best way. I will kill that deer. At the 509 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: end of that set of track, there's the deer that 510 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to kill. Um. By the same token, rattling 511 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: works really well. Still hunting a combination of stand hunting, 512 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, standing meaning literally standing sitting on a stump somewhere, 513 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: combine with moving through the forest carefully still hunting. That 514 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: that family does it in Michigan. Um, what's her name is? Like, 515 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, come to me. But the devote Yeah, that's annoys. 516 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: You know, they do it. They still hunt and they 517 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: get you know, the flash shots of the fantastical way 518 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: hunt really challenging. Um, and if you combine rattling, still hunting, 519 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of stand hunting and tracking, and you know, 520 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: it's a better way to get a big gear and 521 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: get an individual big dear as long as you know 522 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: that here made those tracks. Well, so yeah, there's other 523 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: ways to do it up, but the most efficient way 524 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: for the average hunters to come up and and sit 525 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: down and stand and just enjoy enjoy the days as 526 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: the deer come in and you know, again it's totally controllable, 527 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: only allowed so much beat to understand and um, but yeah, 528 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: that that, that, honestly is is the best way to 529 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: get the deer up in that big bush country. Or 530 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: you can sit on a scrape if you don't want 531 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: to use bait, that's fine too, that's everybody's choice. You 532 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: can sit on a scrape and and you know a 533 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: buck will come in eventually, and that's also a good 534 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: way you're doing. You're just talking to enjoy the day 535 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: as much. There's no dose around to watch, no younger bucks. 536 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: When is the when is the northern rut? Is that 537 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: early November late October as well, or is it even 538 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: earlier than that? Not? Its later, it's uh I've always 539 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: felt that the November one was the peak of the 540 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: rut for White Hills, and November eleventh is really the 541 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: serious start of the rut and is the end of 542 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: the run. Now there is you know, you can you 543 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: can round women before the rut put or in late 544 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: October early November particularly, and you can you know, get 545 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: them still doing sub learning activity after after December, depending 546 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: on the year, depending on the what the moon is doing. 547 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: But the peak of the round would be the twenty 548 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: one November based on you know, my four decades of 549 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: hunting them up in the north. Well, that's interesting, that's 550 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: really interesting because the further you get into the to 551 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: the north south, you get into the northern hemisphere, it 552 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: seems like the rut gets later and later and later, 553 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: and then you know, you get way south and it's 554 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: like in December or January. So that's just almost contradicting 555 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: science or some of that. That light is part of 556 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: the breeding cycle. The amount of life. There isn't a 557 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: day and you know one thing and Jim correctly, well, 558 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's relative to the you know, 559 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: maybe our dear just have a different circadian number they're here. 560 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they when they hit even a half hours 561 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: of daylight, that's when they start to run. I don't know. 562 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: I just say one thing I think, Um, I think 563 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: I've I've heard somewhere, and I think it makes biological sense. 564 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: Is that the farther north you get, those deer are 565 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: going to be experiencing winters that last later, and so 566 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: in order for their fawnds to survive, they need those 567 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: fawnds being dropped later in the spring. Um. So I 568 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: think that might have something to do with the fact that, 569 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, deer breeding later in northern Canada, because you know, 570 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: if they breed, you know, late October and they're dropping 571 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: their fawns when there's two ft of snow still, that's 572 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: not going to be you know, a great situation. So 573 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: I think there might be something to do with that. 574 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: But I guess that's just yeah, I'm sure that's reverse 575 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: behavior revolution. I guess any deer that had their phones 576 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: earlier in February and March, you know, they died, they 577 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: were selected out. So yeah, that would that would absolutely 578 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: make sense. Yeah. So, so something you said you minutes ago, Jim, 579 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: really caught my attention, and it's something that we haven't 580 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: really talked much about here on the podcast, so I 581 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: really like to pick your brain about it. And that 582 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: is tracking. I know, like you said, there's some people 583 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: that still you are really big on still hunting and tracking, 584 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: especially in the northern part of the country. I know 585 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: in Maine that's a really big thing and some of 586 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: the northeast. But can you give us a quick rundown 587 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: of how you go about tracking and killing a white 588 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: tail like that, because that's something that in the Midwest here, 589 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: it's not really one of those really popular tactics, but 590 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would be, you know, 591 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: really interested to hear your take on that. Sure, Yeah, absolutely, 592 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: the I mean, the first key to it is you've 593 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: got to have enough lamb that you can do it 594 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: on without bumping into a border fence that you can't 595 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, leave that that sense or leave that same stereo. 596 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: So you have acres. It's a lot better to have 597 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: two square miles two sections that you can you can hunt, 598 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: and you need a big enough chunk of forest that 599 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: you can get yourself into the forest and then stop 600 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: and let let you know, sort of get with the 601 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: flow of the forest. Right If it's too small a 602 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: patch of brush, a bush. You you enter it into 603 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: everything that was in that bush. No, you entered, I said, 604 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: you need a big enough passet if animals on the 605 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: far side of but don't know you're in the bush. 606 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: And then you sit still and you wait and you 607 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: let It's all about um, it's all about moving slowly. 608 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: One of my mentors that taught me how to hunt 609 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: white tails was what they call them jumpers, was Pete Mans. 610 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: Each piece of piers passed away now, but he told me, Jimmy, 611 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: where every piece of clothing you brought with you. This 612 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: is every piece of clothing. It's it's designed for portable 613 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: or weather. Plus might put layers, even more layers on 614 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: the I'm gonna be cooking. And he said that'll make 615 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: you move slow enough to the bush, because if you 616 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: go anytopster, you'll start to sweat. So literally for me, 617 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know that I don't. I'll get into 618 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: the bush as quietly, as slow as I can, say 619 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: hunting guards into the timber. Then I'll sit still and 620 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: I'll sit for an hour. Just wait this wait, and 621 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: what happened. You'll start take the birds will start to 622 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: come back. You know. The squirrels will start to come out. 623 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: That nature gets back into its rhythom. It's it's start 624 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: to imagine a pool is you throw a rock into 625 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: it has ripples all over it, but eventually it calms 626 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: off and everything is back to normal again. So that's 627 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: what you have to do first. Then what I do 628 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: when I'm really seriously still hunting for a big buck 629 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: altered one step and I'll raise my bionos very slowly, 630 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: and I'll look with my bionos in the forest. You 631 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: know a lot of people don't do that. You have 632 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: to use your binoculators because it's the only way that 633 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: our eyes start to be even competitive with the deer's eyes. 634 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: So a deer's eyesight. So so I take one step, 635 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: I look with my scan the entire force, looking for 636 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: little notches between the trees are pop my focus ring 637 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: on the bio back and forth. You be depth of field. 638 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: Then I'll put the bio and this is slowly. It's 639 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: not lift them up quickly looking, No, this is all slowly, slowly. 640 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: Then I'll take two steps and watching feeling tipene, I'll 641 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: use marcus and rubbers like the rubber moccassin's with with 642 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: a big wool sock, so I can steal every bench 643 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: underneath me, as every twig. I know if I'm gonna 644 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: bake something, to step aside and move it and feel 645 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: it two steps that I look with my bios again, 646 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: put it down one step and now this you do that. 647 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: It'll take you hours to go four hundred yards through 648 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: a forest. And remember the denner moving to hopefully and 649 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: if not, if they're betted, you'll be moving in closer 650 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: to them. If you're going slow enough, you'll you'll, you'll, 651 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: you'll bet'll walk it in onto my my goal if 652 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: the conditions are right. Again, this is the conditions are key, 653 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: and as I was just before, I get to my goal. 654 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: Well only an example. When you're in an aspen forest, 655 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: say the deer are in aspens or poplars, the call 656 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: in the north. After the first hard frost, the leaves 657 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: all turn yellow. Right now, the first wind, the leaves 658 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: start falling out of the trees and they're they're they're drying, 659 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 1: they're crispy, so they're making noise right and they're rolling 660 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: on their blowing across the grown they're making noise, and 661 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: all those leaves falling down through the trees on a 662 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 1: hard wind day after the first hard frost. I don't 663 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: care what dow it is. You can speak up on it. 664 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: I don't care how smart it is, I don't care 665 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: where it's hiding. You can speak up on it. And 666 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: my blows has always been to speak up closed enuff 667 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: to catch one that's better without doing I'm there, I've 668 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: come close enough rid. I almost can reach my arrow 669 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: out and touch it. I can never reach in with 670 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: And that's that's you know, there's there in lies the 671 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: key to the success of still hunting. There's conditions. If 672 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: it's real crunchy conditions where it seems like you're walking 673 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: on snowflakes, and then why bother you? The deer are 674 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: going to hear you long before you get close up. 675 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: It's not a data still hunt. But if this still 676 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: melts a little bit so as soft and you can 677 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: walk pliantly, then that's the data still hunt. You know, 678 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: the day with the country still as a data rattle 679 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: or stand hunt. So so it's not about forcing a 680 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: particular hunting style upon you know the conditions. It's it's 681 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: more adapt to the conditions and use that hunting style 682 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: that's best suited for that day. So any way that there, 683 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a long, slow hunting day. It's 684 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: it's and believe me, you are drained at the end 685 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,959 Speaker 1: of the day because you haven't gone anywhere, but you've 686 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: you've you've lasted within you know, like you every single 687 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: little tiny opening you can see through it, like there's 688 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: little gaps, a little shooting lands. It might be hunting 689 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: yards back in their way. You swear you can. Unlet's 690 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: see twenty thirty yards and the deer you'll see them 691 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: moving in there and you can get right among them 692 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: as they're feeding in the forest as a bit. It's amazing. 693 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely amazing, and it is by far the 694 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, to be the most strata funny way to hunt. 695 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: I know you said it would make awful film, but 696 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: I sure would love to see see you on a 697 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: hunt like that. That sounds pretty fascinating. Yeah, you know 698 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: the raining, you know, you're the rains would be if 699 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: you watched me for an hour, he won't step every 700 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: two minutes, and you know that would be great. Pass on, 701 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: I'll pass it onto the old door and we'll see 702 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: if they want to show like that. Yeah, they they 703 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: might not like that idea too much? Huh? Not too much? 704 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: I think you need to do a little faster paste 705 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: these days. Yeah. Now, let's say if you're on a 706 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: hunt like that and you cut a big track, do 707 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: you if you find that big track, do you start 708 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: speeding up to try to catch up to that dear? 709 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: Or are you still inching along? You know what happens 710 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: when you actually get that signed. Hey there was a 711 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: big buck here recently. What what happens next? Okay? Well, 712 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: as long as the snow conditions are right right, is 713 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 1: there's some way that you can tell that track is 714 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: fresh if the snow has been the same as it 715 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: has been for weeks and there's you know, it's hard 716 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: to just tracks everywhere. It's hard to tell what's new 717 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: fresh snow or same melting snow. That you can tell 718 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: the age of the track is really important. So once 719 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: I've determined that the track is a fresh track, then 720 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: you start looking at the track itself. Is it a 721 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: buck there? Is it a dough? It really easy to tell. 722 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, any of the buck tracks are huge. If 723 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: it's a really big deer, and like I said in 724 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: substatche and you'll get a three pound deer like nothing 725 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: to buck and the doors won't be anywhere near that 726 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: big hundred max. So you're you know, the dough is 727 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: not going to be we're not going to have as 728 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: big a footprints. So that's the first thing you look at. 729 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: Then I look at, and this is really important, is 730 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: that the length of the stride and the breadth of 731 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: the chest of the deer. So the breadth of the 732 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: chest if it's you know, um, you know, nine inches across, 733 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: that's big. You know, a doll might have tracks that 734 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: are four or five six inches backs between them, you know, 735 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: with across the chest. You know, a big buck, they're 736 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: massive in the front end. So you can tell right 737 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: away if that's a buck by the breadth of the track, 738 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: the width of it, and not only the size of it, 739 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: but then also the length of the stride. You gotta remember, 740 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: a big animal that three hundred three and fifty pounds 741 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: is going to have a longer stride than a smaller animal. 742 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: So you can tell when when those deer have a 743 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, pen twelve feet between you know what, you 744 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: can see four of their tracks and you know it's 745 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: just walking, but it's just a stride. That's much longer stride. 746 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: You know it's a big animal. You know, you still 747 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: don't know what the animers are, but at least you know, 748 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: you know a buck track and the other thing too. 749 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: If it's in the right you'll see you you can 750 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: actually feel that if you let yourself just just tune 751 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: into what you're looking at, you'll see that buck as 752 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 1: he's almost swaggering like a big buck will come into 753 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: the forests, he is the king of the forest. And 754 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: they won't even deign to lift their their uh feed up. 755 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: They'll they'll drag their hoofs through the snow that you'll 756 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: see the drag marks, and they're just will swagger, you know, 757 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,479 Speaker 1: like they're tough boys looking for a fight or looking 758 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: for a lot, but they're you know, they're definitely uh 759 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, behaving like like studying stunts basically. So you 760 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: can see that from the track. It's another way you 761 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: can tell it's about is the drag marks of the 762 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: hoofs and the snow. Then you start following that, I 763 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: would immediately start fallowing forget the one one to you know, 764 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: two steps every five minutes, you you're you get on 765 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: that track because now you know it's fresh he's somewhere 766 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: ahead of you. More than likely he's better. Right, That's 767 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: the key, is more than likely he is better because 768 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: that's the only you're gonna catch up to him. He's 769 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: gonna walk all day and all night. You'll never catch 770 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: up to him. But they never do that. They always 771 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: bet for a while, So so I would where I 772 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: found the track isn't a better looking area if it's 773 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: kind of wide open forest, or you'll be again. It's 774 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: something you start to learn once you've tracked so many gears, 775 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: followed so many Dear, this isn't where they're bad. They 776 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: don't bet here. It doesn't feel right. They're they're they're going. 777 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: He's going somewhere else, checking for those. So if he's 778 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: going somewhere else and I can go somewhere else, I 779 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: start following fairly quickly, all right, But the instant I 780 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: get a sense that, wait a minute, he's starting to 781 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: wander in his tracks a little bit. All right again, 782 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: you just imagine, Yet, what's he doing. I know he's 783 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: nibbling on food. Okay, If he's nimbly on food, he's 784 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: not intent on getting anywhere else quickly, So that means 785 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: time to slow down. Right now. And then then as 786 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: the as the h fully as changes are they you 787 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: know that the trees, the plants, that the type of trees, 788 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: even the train mean this will start to get a 789 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: little bit helio of this. Now you're starting to talk 790 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: to about a place maybe more saplings. This is more 791 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: like a baiting area, you know, and you'll feel it 792 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: once you've tracked enough gear and you'll know, hey, I'm 793 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,959 Speaker 1: getting close to a betting area. He's been wandering tracts 794 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. He's not he's not cruising anymore, or 795 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: the tracks were made this morning. He's been a right 796 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: in here somewhere ahead of me. Now you've got to 797 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: get close stuff to kill him. And that's where you 798 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: stop back or drop back to the you know, one 799 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: one step, you know, and glass glass, glass ahead of 800 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: you everywhere around you, you know, put them down, slowly, 801 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: move ahead and glass again. The biggest problem will be 802 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: what happens when you hit brushes too thick that you 803 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: know it's pressingly against you so much, and you know 804 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: it's making noise. You've gotta be wearing fleeces is the 805 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: best or wool again, if you can wear white in 806 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: the snow is perfect. In Saskatchewan when you're rifle hunting, 807 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: you have to wear white in rifle season, or orange 808 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: your red. We'll wear white with the red cap. They 809 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,240 Speaker 1: can't see the white against the snow on the trees. 810 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: You just look like it's almost perfect. Camel camel snow 811 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: camera is even better, but it's not not allowed in 812 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 1: rifle season. So so then you you moving so closely, 813 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: so closely, and if you have to eat grunt, I'll 814 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: make to go sound here in the phone. Listen, that's 815 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: just like a peak snort. I can do that with 816 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: my mouth. I don't have to have a I don't 817 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: have to have a call of any description. So we 818 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: will pretty most but but you can actually deal with 819 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: your mouth. You don't have to worry about a reed 820 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: freezing up in the cold northern air. You can do 821 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 1: with your mouth. And and if you do that, just 822 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: you sound like a young buck coming through the forest, 823 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: and the deer will, they will, they'll listen. You'll get 824 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: their attention, and they're gonna hear you move it anyway. 825 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: And you've got pleeces on so they don't hear that 826 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: rustling like normal clothes. And then you have a set 827 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: of amplers, and there that you just wait a sampling 828 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: a little bit, just waiting, you know. Now you now 829 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: you're you've made the sound of a bluck grunt and 830 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 1: you've made the sound of a black raking examplers. They 831 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: will accept the sound of something approaching, and they won't 832 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: They'll stand there away. These are all my my top 833 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: secrets for hurting. Hoping that you guys will have millions 834 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: of viewers. Otherways, there's to be a little big dead 835 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: here this year. Sorry about that. So anyway, that's that's all, 836 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And if I get a little passionate 837 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: abouts because I love it, it's it's uh, I love it. 838 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: I mean I, like I said, white tails are the 839 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: one animal for the rest of my life if I can, 840 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: God willing. So so these are all things that I've 841 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: learned over the years and applied them and they work. 842 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: This is awesome. No, that was one of the most 843 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: interesting explanations of a hunting strategy we've heard yet on 844 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: the podcast over nineteen episodes. That that was awesome. I 845 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: want to go out there and start tracking some white 846 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: tails myself. Although the forty acres back on my my 847 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: back forty here probably wouldn't be a track too far, 848 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: but that's you know, and there in lines the one 849 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: problem with tracking. You've gotta be able to go for 850 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 1: miles if necessary, to stay on their track. If you 851 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: have forty eight yours, they'll stand on the other side 852 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,439 Speaker 1: of the fence on your neighbor's land and uh stick 853 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: the coun out at you. So you got to have 854 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: the space. Yeah, absolutely so. I love your love your 855 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: passionate descriptions of of what you're doing there and how 856 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: you're tracking deer. So makes me think of another question being, 857 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, what is your most memorable white tail hunt? 858 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: I would love to hear that story, because you are 859 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: one heck of a storyteller. Well that the I appreciate it. 860 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 1: I think, thanks for the complement. Uh, you know, I'm 861 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: passionate about it. So it's pretty easy to tell a 862 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: story when you're passionate about something. You know. For me, 863 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: there's three hunts come to mind. Um, Bramlin's first block 864 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 1: and Eva's first buck. Um, those are first white tailed deer. 865 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean those both and um and for it wasn't 866 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: even her first white tailed buck, it was more her 867 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: first It was her first statue in white tail black again. 868 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: I grew up on Statue one and to be there 869 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: with her when she got her first year. Um, it 870 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: was fabulous. I mean it just there's nothing like it. 871 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: And anyone that's got children out there that they hunted with, 872 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: are looking forward to hunt with, we'll know what I'm 873 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: talking about. It doesn't get better than that. Um. And then, uh, 874 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: you know my own first white tail when I was 875 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: fourteen years of age, that you know, I mean I'm 876 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: looking at the rack right now here in my office 877 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: and literally looking at the rack. Uh. You know, I 878 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,400 Speaker 1: can tell you exactly everything about it. I mean, that's 879 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: as if it was yesterday. So how how to happen 880 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: that first that first deer for Jim Shocky, Well, it 881 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: was my my father and his brothers where all my 882 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: uncles were. They were meat hunters, So white tail deer 883 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 1: hunting was about going out and getting meat for the freezer. 884 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: If you could go out opening morning in white tail 885 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: season and and everybody kills her deer that morning and 886 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: they're back at work at noon, that that was the 887 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: best white tail season ever. I wasn't quite you know, 888 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: somehow I was. I was born under some different star, 889 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, but for me, it didn't 890 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: make sense. I always want to take the last the 891 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: uh my wife told you it was was kind of 892 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: like that. It was opening morning. I was driving with 893 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: my dad and two of my uncle's in Saskatchewan, and 894 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: they didn't They used to push blush it's called which 895 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: basically drive deer drives and uh and road hunt essentially 896 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: rode hut. I mean in those days, that's what they did. 897 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: And you know who was I to Tema was fourteen 898 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: years of age. I had my uh my three or 899 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: three British sportarized three British and I remember were driving 900 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: along first light and out in the field was a 901 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: buck following about four doors. So they slammed on the brakes. 902 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: And you know, I've been I've been on many hunts 903 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,240 Speaker 1: with my dad and his brothers, and I knew the routine. 904 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: You bail out and and you know, crank your shell 905 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 1: in or you know loaded actors are not to have 906 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: one in the magazine, and then everybody starts shooting at 907 00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: the deer. Well in this case, you know, we all 908 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: held out and and I you know, cranked a shell 909 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: into my gun and you know, started popping away at 910 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: these deer while I actually took one shot and the 911 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: deer dropped. And I mean it was my first. I 912 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: didn't know. I mean I I didn't know enough about it. 913 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: I actually turned around and I said to my dad, 914 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,359 Speaker 1: who who hit him? I didn't know? And they when 915 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: I looked around, my dad and my two uncles didn't 916 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: have their guns. I was the only one holding a gun. 917 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: So that was my my first. It wasn't exactly like 918 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: I would have wanted it to be, you know, now, 919 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,839 Speaker 1: knowing what I know after forty more years of hunting them, 920 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, and how Evan brand got their first year, 921 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: but you know, you know what it was. It was 922 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: my first year and it's a cherished memory and it 923 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: was maybe I gained not the most ethical way to hunt, 924 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: but but it was my first year. I didn't get him, 925 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 1: did get him on the run, and I was only 926 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: one of the shots. So and by the way, my 927 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: uncle's somehow not one of them helped me with the 928 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: gutt of that deer. It was about twenty below but 929 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,920 Speaker 1: I had to figure I had to figure it out 930 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: by myself. Yeah, so so there's there was the downside 931 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: to that getting that first here, Yes, you really had 932 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 1: to work for that one. What what what was that 933 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: feeling like when you walked up on your first deer 934 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: kill ever, was a shock where you just excited or sad? 935 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,759 Speaker 1: What were those first moments like, you know, you know 936 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: what I can tell you absolutely it was. It was 937 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: exactly the same feeling that I get today. You excited, 938 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: you walked up and just well, like this, you just 939 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: want to get your hands on that animal, to hold it, 940 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 1: to feel it. You know, it's yours, you now possess it. 941 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: You you you know, and it's I'm sure that's a primal, 942 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: uh something primal that when we had food back when 943 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: we're a caveman, that was a joyous feeling. That was 944 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: joy meant me we were going to survive for another day, 945 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: another week, another month, maybe your family was going to life. 946 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: So when when it's literally that innate in us, if 947 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: any hunter will know, you walk up to that animal, 948 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: it's like it's an overwhelming feeling of joy. It's not 949 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,879 Speaker 1: an adrenaline, it's not a it's it's joy when you're 950 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: walking up, when you get your hands on it, and 951 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: then it turns into a it turns. For me, it 952 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: was almost a melancholy, and it still is to this day. 953 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's a melancholy. I just took the life 954 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,800 Speaker 1: of this animal, and you know, it's one less animal 955 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: in this world, which I again is probably a very 956 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: natural thing for us to as as hunters. You know, 957 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,399 Speaker 1: we we just predated on one of the animals were 958 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: trying to predate on. Well, now there's one less means 959 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be that much harder next time. There's less 960 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: animals to hunt. So there, you know, it's a melancholy 961 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 1: and a sadness almost that comes over you and and 962 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: almost to regret. And I you know, and that's the 963 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: part I don't quite understand. Maybe that's where we're more 964 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: civilized nowadays. I don't know, because I can't talk to 965 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: my anti seasons from a thousand years ago to know 966 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: what they felt. But but you know, it's almost to 967 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 1: regret for me. Wow, the season's over. You know, everything 968 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,800 Speaker 1: ivery all the effort I put in, all the anticipation, 969 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,759 Speaker 1: the preparation, the practicing, you know, the scouting, whatever I 970 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,400 Speaker 1: was doing ahead of the season, you know, anticipating the season. 971 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: It's all over. And the reason I did all that 972 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: is now over. And and you know, my season is 973 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: done and it won't be until next year that I 974 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 1: get to do this again. So that, like I said, 975 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 1: that may be the civilized part is the regret um, 976 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,879 Speaker 1: you know, because our anti ancestors didn't have to worry 977 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,360 Speaker 1: about that. You know, they would I'm sure feel a 978 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: little sadness that this animal is dead, and then they 979 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: would just go, Okay, what's next. We have a butcher. 980 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: Let's let's get all with life here. Somebody watch out 981 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: for the dire woes and the cave bears because they're 982 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: they're coming right where. We don't have to worry about that. 983 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 1: Now we have the luxury in our modern civilization of 984 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,240 Speaker 1: the feeling a pang of regret that, you know, everything 985 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 1: we work for is now over. I guess like an 986 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: Olympic athlete, race is over when the go battle. Now 987 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: what you know, what what's next? It's you know, well 988 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,719 Speaker 1: next to Olympics is four years away, so so you know, 989 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: for hunting, it's next season now. Some places, obviously you know, 990 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: they get to shoot more than one deer season. That's 991 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,080 Speaker 1: not the case in in Northern Canada. It's a it's 992 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: a very interesting and strange combination of emotions. That I 993 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: think all hunters can relate to. And it's it's also 994 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 1: one of those things I think, you know, it's always 995 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 1: interesting to hear another hunter describe how they feel, and 996 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: I think I can relate relate a lot to what 997 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,880 Speaker 1: you're saying, they're Jim, But it's something that's so hard 998 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: to describe to someone who's never experienced it. I think 999 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases they just can't really wrap 1000 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 1: their heads around that. Um, it's it's quite an experience, Yeah, 1001 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: it is, and and it's you know what, it's what 1002 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,920 Speaker 1: makes us human. And I actually I feel sorry for 1003 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: everyone that doesn't hunt. It doesn't get to feel that 1004 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: that deep, innate, spiritual h what would it be like, like, uh, 1005 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: a friendship? Yeah, it's like exactly right. It's like a calling. 1006 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: It's a partaking of something that that people that don't 1007 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 1: hunt can't ever, can't ever experience. And I don't care 1008 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 1: what they say. You can jump out of all the 1009 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: airplanes you want, You can ski down amount everest, that 1010 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 1: that's what you know, you get your tickles from that. 1011 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: You can you know, die with with sharks, with naked 1012 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:41,320 Speaker 1: It's still nothing compares, nothing compares to the innate that 1013 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: overwhelming sense of we need a new word, to think 1014 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 1: of a new word. It's not joyous. Spirituality made is 1015 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: the closest connection. Yeah, you know, um, you know, being 1016 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,760 Speaker 1: part of the circle of life, you know life, because 1017 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: death bs life to actually be part of it and 1018 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: not just be a void year living on chickens and 1019 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 1: cows that are that are growing. However, chickens and cows 1020 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: are growing, you know, when you're actually providing for yourself 1021 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: and and you kill that animal and you can eat 1022 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: that animal, you know, and you know when you walk 1023 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: up to that animal, it's it's, uh, there's nothing more pure, 1024 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: there's nothing more pure. And it's not a generaline, it's 1025 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: it's like you say, you can't it's impossible to describe 1026 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 1: to somebody who doesn't hunt. And and you know, be 1027 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: wonderful if the people that don't hunt would try it. 1028 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,880 Speaker 1: Just try it, you know, and just see what that 1029 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 1: feeling is. And it's hard to deny it because it's 1030 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: it's real, it's pure, it's us, it's in eat, it's 1031 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,040 Speaker 1: who we are as human beings. And it's when you're 1032 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 1: truly the most human is when you walk up to 1033 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,359 Speaker 1: that animal, and yeah, it's Uh. I wish the rest 1034 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:56,839 Speaker 1: of the world could hunt too. I wish there's enough 1035 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,480 Speaker 1: space and animals. Unfortunately, we've gotta be careful we wish 1036 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 1: for sometimes. Yeah, very true. Well, I uh gosh, this 1037 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite aspects of hunting to talk about. 1038 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 1: I love talking about this, this non necessarily tactic or 1039 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,320 Speaker 1: killing focus, but just about the everything beneath the surface. 1040 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 1: It's it's so deep and many times the people don't 1041 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,239 Speaker 1: actually talk about it. Um. But that said, we are 1042 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 1: really coming up on on time here, so I know 1043 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,800 Speaker 1: we want to be respectful of your time. Jim, I 1044 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: know you've got a lot going on U. So, Dan, 1045 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 1: do you have any final question for Jim before we 1046 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 1: close things up? Yeah? You know you're you're obviously an 1047 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,320 Speaker 1: advocate for for hunting, and you're very passionate about the 1048 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: outdoors and hunting as well. What would you say is 1049 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,400 Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway from this sport over over all the 1050 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: years you've done it. Hell, I think I would. I 1051 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: would say that it has to be the the family 1052 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: orientation of of hunters and hunting. I mean, it is 1053 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: truly a family oriented pastime, and I think sometimes in 1054 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:15,000 Speaker 1: today's urbanized world, we you know, as we leave hunting behind, 1055 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, so many people don't hunt to live in 1056 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: the cities. Um. I think we also lead behind some 1057 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,960 Speaker 1: of the family values that that made you know, Canada 1058 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 1: and the United States of America the greatest countries in 1059 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: the world. You know, it's family is what what what 1060 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: these nations are built on. And when we forget, when 1061 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,320 Speaker 1: we forget hunting, we also kind of hand in hand forget, 1062 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,320 Speaker 1: forget family. And again, I'm sure I'll get a bunch 1063 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,440 Speaker 1: of crappy emails from people in the city saying, all, 1064 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,000 Speaker 1: I love my kid, Yeah you do. I'm sure you do, 1065 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, and hope they enjoy their week at Campishire. 1066 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: You know, that's I'm being a little derogatory. There shouldn't be, 1067 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 1: but but it's you know, it's not the same, you know, 1068 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,440 Speaker 1: the the the you know, farm culture, you know, agric culture. 1069 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, when you take away the culture out of 1070 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 1: our lives, what are you left with, Well, you're you're 1071 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: left with agra. You know, it's not the same anymore, 1072 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: you know it It was so to me. I think 1073 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway is that hunters tend to be family people. 1074 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 1: They tend to be salty to the earth. They're exactly 1075 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:29,000 Speaker 1: who I would want, you know, knocking me in any 1076 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of a fight. You know, it's it's you see it, 1077 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: you see it, you see it in the military, you 1078 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: see it over and over. The values are there. So 1079 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,760 Speaker 1: so hunting is just part of that part of the 1080 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 1: value system. I guess that makes family that what it is, 1081 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: you know why it was so important for these countries 1082 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,760 Speaker 1: highly developed, and I just would be afraid over time 1083 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,080 Speaker 1: that we the more we urbanize, the more we get 1084 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,240 Speaker 1: away from hunting, the more we get away from family 1085 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,680 Speaker 1: and importance of family. So that that would be my 1086 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 1: my takeaway. I'm not not sure if that's exactly that 1087 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 1: you're looking for, but but the hunting family and family 1088 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 1: hunting is again same thing where tied inextricably, inextricably together. Yeah, 1089 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 1: I love that, and I think it's it's such a 1090 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 1: great reminder too because its hunters, especially today, there's such 1091 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: a focus in some cases, there's such such a focus 1092 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,360 Speaker 1: on you know, killing a certain type of animal or 1093 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,880 Speaker 1: a size animal um or just getting that that kill, 1094 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,960 Speaker 1: when so many times we start forgetting about those most 1095 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 1: important things, like you said, family and those experiences. So 1096 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 1: that's the journey, the journey man. It's like I killed 1097 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,840 Speaker 1: one of my biggest bucks um a couple of years ago, 1098 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: and I felt I almost had a feeling that. You 1099 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I loved the kill, But the 1100 00:59:54,680 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: journey for me almost shadows the last thirty second. It's 1101 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,919 Speaker 1: of the entire the entire journey, for sure. For sure, 1102 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,360 Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, think about the thirty seconds you 1103 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 1: said it right there, thirty seconds out of how many 1104 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: days did you have, how many weeks, how many months 1105 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 1: did you prepare for it? You know that the actual 1106 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: kill is is such a tiny little part of it. 1107 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 1: And and it's it's a little bit sad when when 1108 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 1: a guy's hunt is ruined because the animals scored this 1109 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 1: instead of that, you know, two inches lass or two inches, 1110 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,480 Speaker 1: But who cares. It's not it's not about that. It's 1111 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 1: about the exactly you said. It's the journey, it's the adventure. 1112 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,920 Speaker 1: It's it's the getting they're doing it, and the animal 1113 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,680 Speaker 1: is is you know, what the record book says about it, 1114 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: or what the tape measure says about it is really 1115 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,439 Speaker 1: truly irrelevant. It's it has nothing to do with the hunt, 1116 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,840 Speaker 1: nothing at all. Yeah, yeah, I really hope that you know, 1117 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,800 Speaker 1: this is a message that hits home with people and 1118 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,520 Speaker 1: that people can can keep in mind this coming hunting season, 1119 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: especially because it's so easy today's hunting culture to get 1120 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: obsessed with those ancillary things that in the end really 1121 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,400 Speaker 1: take away from what's what's most important. And and and 1122 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, and I think all three of 1123 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,920 Speaker 1: us would be uh remiss if we implied that we 1124 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't make an effort to get a bigger bucket and 1125 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,160 Speaker 1: what we're seeing right in front of us. And that's 1126 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 1: but that's all part of it. And you sent your 1127 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: goals understanding that you know, the the the accomplishment is 1128 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,760 Speaker 1: directly proportional to the challenge. So you want to get 1129 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 1: yourself two hundred class white tailed deer and that's important 1130 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,320 Speaker 1: to you, then understand you're gonna fail on getting the 1131 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 1: animal that you want, but don't let that ruin your 1132 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,959 Speaker 1: hunt because you still have the hunt. In the fact, 1133 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 1: you'll be able to hut longer than almost everybody because 1134 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: you're never gonna be tagged up for at least on 1135 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: this lifetime. So so it's you know, it's you know, 1136 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,240 Speaker 1: as long as people keep perspective on it. Yeah, it's fun, 1137 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 1: really fun to shoot a big bucket. I'd love to 1138 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,200 Speaker 1: hunt for a particular bucket. For me, that's the challenge 1139 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,000 Speaker 1: nowadays is I want to hunt that buck and with 1140 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: the trail cameras out there, you know, stealth camera we use. 1141 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,360 Speaker 1: You know, I have a pretty good idea what around 1142 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,200 Speaker 1: so I can hunt a particular back to the exclusion 1143 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: of all the others, which again, you know, that's that's 1144 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 1: a challenge. But I'm never ever going to feel that 1145 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,760 Speaker 1: my hunt was it wasn't a great hunt because I 1146 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 1: put those constraints on myself to not shoot something, and 1147 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,760 Speaker 1: I didn't shoot anything because I was looking for a particular, dear. 1148 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 1: And it's the same thing for someone who want you know, 1149 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: they come up to the north to Canada. You know, 1150 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,800 Speaker 1: they think one sixty one seventy white tails are behind 1151 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the retreat. They're not. You know, one forty is still 1152 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 1: a good whitetail in Saskatchewan, Alberta. It is for an 1153 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,640 Speaker 1: average guy coming for one week. Yeah, that's good, dear. 1154 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,680 Speaker 1: And and if you come in with false expectations and 1155 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,160 Speaker 1: want a certain size deer only or it's not a 1156 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,200 Speaker 1: great hunt. You'll miss out the beauty of just sitting understand, 1157 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,240 Speaker 1: watching all the other deer, you know, and and and 1158 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 1: you'll be disappointed when you shoot one. That's one. Two? 1159 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,840 Speaker 1: Why why you know it's a great deer. You had 1160 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,520 Speaker 1: a great hunt, that's like you said, then it's all 1161 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 1: part of the ernie and that you know. I think 1162 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 1: that hunters would be better off, happier if if they 1163 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: could keep that in perspective. And it's hard because look 1164 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 1: what we show on television right where we're convincing an 1165 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 1: entire season into half an hour. Well, yeah, you kill 1166 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: a big deer and you've got ten cameras out there 1167 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,440 Speaker 1: with ten different guys. You give a false impression that 1168 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: there's those big deer behind every tree. And if you 1169 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 1: don't get that, it's not a successful hunt. And it's 1170 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,280 Speaker 1: just not true. I mean, it's I think it's about family, fun, 1171 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:39,200 Speaker 1: adventure as humor and big animals are at most part 1172 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,840 Speaker 1: of any hunt. And really the kill thirty seconds, like 1173 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,800 Speaker 1: you say, it's maybe down to about a zero zero 1174 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 1: zero one of a hunt. So you know that's not 1175 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,960 Speaker 1: the important part, not at all. Yeah, so true, so true. Well, Jim, 1176 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,000 Speaker 1: this has been an awesome conversation. And you know, for 1177 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,560 Speaker 1: our listeners if they want to learn more about what 1178 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,440 Speaker 1: you have going on or catch you on TV, you know, 1179 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: where can they go to get that information? Uh, Jim 1180 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Chalky dot com. Where they can? Facebook is probably the 1181 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 1: best way I got. I gotta get my Facebook numbers 1182 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 1: up to match Eva's. She's like like twice as many 1183 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,600 Speaker 1: people place as many fans. What what is that all about? Somebody? 1184 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Somebody Facebook? We can tell me how can Eva like 1185 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,440 Speaker 1: five hundred sixty two thousand, eight hundred nine nine, But 1186 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,280 Speaker 1: who's counting? You know what her poor dad is is 1187 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,400 Speaker 1: like half that? And I guess you need you need 1188 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,959 Speaker 1: to get a field in the string cover now, Jim, Yeah, 1189 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,280 Speaker 1: maybe that's that's that's shure does. Wouldn't hurt what, Yeah, 1190 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,320 Speaker 1: not at all. I'd be I'd be like the one 1191 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,120 Speaker 1: eight nine male that's been on the front cover as 1192 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,440 Speaker 1: opposed to the second female. Not quite not quite as significant, 1193 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: not quite. But yeah. Facebook is probably just as easy 1194 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:57,080 Speaker 1: as anything. And uh or our website Jim Choky dot 1195 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 1: com either way is uh, you can fall along with 1196 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: what we're doing here. We're pretty good at keeping what's 1197 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,360 Speaker 1: going on and letting people know where we are, what 1198 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,960 Speaker 1: we're doing excellent. I will I will make sure to 1199 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,240 Speaker 1: include links to that in our show notes so everyone 1200 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 1: can can check those out and catch the new show Uncharted, 1201 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,520 Speaker 1: which which looks excellent. And Jim, like I said, this 1202 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,840 Speaker 1: has been a pleasure. So thank you so much for 1203 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,400 Speaker 1: the time and for chatting with us today. Spine pleasure, guys, 1204 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Time to take my wife Hope pursushi. Now 1205 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,520 Speaker 1: we'll have a have a great evening. And thank her 1206 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 1: for allowing us to borrow you for a little bit 1207 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,560 Speaker 1: here tonight. She's probably happy with it. I've been home 1208 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,360 Speaker 1: for four days now, so she's already going tired to me, 1209 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 1: so she's happy to borrow me up for a few hours. 1210 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,080 Speaker 1: Good deal. Well, best of leuft the rest of the season, Jim, 1211 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,680 Speaker 1: and have a good one. Okay, guys, take care, Thank 1212 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:53,240 Speaker 1: you good mother. Wow? How about that? I just thought 1213 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,920 Speaker 1: that this conversation was terrific. Jim's knowledge of this pursuit 1214 01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:01,200 Speaker 1: is incredible and his passion for the hunt is really palpable. 1215 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: I love it, and I hope all of you got 1216 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,680 Speaker 1: as much of a kick out of this interview as 1217 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,200 Speaker 1: I did. And that said, As always, if you enjoyed 1218 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,760 Speaker 1: the show today, we would really appreciate if you could 1219 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,640 Speaker 1: leave a rating or review on iTunes. Takes less than 1220 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,160 Speaker 1: three minutes and it could help hundreds of new white 1221 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,320 Speaker 1: tail addicts find this show, and in my opinion, that's 1222 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 1: a pretty cool thing, So thank you in advance. Speaking 1223 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,080 Speaker 1: of thanks, we also like to thank our excellent partners 1224 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,800 Speaker 1: who helped make this show possible. Big thanks to Sick 1225 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,440 Speaker 1: of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Red Knick Blinds, Carbon 1226 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Express Arrows, Hunt Soft, Lacrosse, Boots, Big and J, Long 1227 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Range Attractives, and the White Tail Institute of North America. 1228 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,480 Speaker 1: Also be sure to visit wird hunt dot com slash 1229 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: episode nineteen to view the show notes and links from 1230 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 1: today's episode. That said, thank you again, Wired Hunt Nation 1231 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: for spending some time with us here today and until 1232 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,400 Speaker 1: next week. Keep chasing the dream and stay weird Hunt.