1 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Oh well, well, well, I took a sip of water 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast last week, and now 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Chip's over here snacking. You're snacking, like crunching. 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: There's a mic in front of you. 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 3: Melts in your mouth, not in your hands. 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Well anyway, oh, how the tables have turned. 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: We're back. 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: This is a Friday episode. Hi you guys, Hi Chip, Hi. 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: How's it going. 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: It's going pretty well on the podcast this week. On Wednesday, 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: I talked to Jackie Doorman and we had a really 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: interesting conversation. I asked you, I was like, do you 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: even know what has been happening in the bachelorette world 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: and who Taylor Frankie paul Is And you were like. 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of well I was. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: I was on vacation with some friends when the news 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: broke and everyone was like, oh, oh, I got the 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: Bachelor's gonna get canceled, and so it was like, of 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: course I had to start like googling and seeing what 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: the hell was going on? 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Right, The fact that that's so like dramatic is actually 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: comical because where are we so? What are we doing here? 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: Like that's but Jackie and I had a really interesting conversation. 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: She came from a TV background and now she's a 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: relationship expert, the matchmaker, and kind of like a she's 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: a coach as well, so she helps her clients dive 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: deep into like what their patterns are and why they 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: haven't found love yet and then find love in a 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: more compatible relationship dynamic or to find true love. So 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: we had an interesting conversation and we brought up this 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: situation because it's just such an interesting thing to look 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: at on a bigger scale. I really am enjoying taking 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: these pop culture moments and like analyzing them from a 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: relationships place, or like a health place of any sort 35 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: of like growth mindset. Like it's interesting that it's being 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: talked about in this way more publicly too, because I 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: think for so many years we've just sat back, had 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: our popcorn out, We're watching reality TV. It's become entertainment, 39 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: and now we're kind of seeing it all of a 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: sudden be looked at as a like, wait a second, 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: are these people because these people are not healthy? Are 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: these the people we need to be putting on this 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: big platform and showcasing, as you know, the way to 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: find love or even just making them famous, like do 45 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: unhealthy people like this really need to have this kind 46 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: of platform, And I mean, I agree, like I'm like no, but. 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: It's not healthy for them either or society. 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: Nobody. 49 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: Nobody, And I think like it's really a good thing 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: for most of us to look at, so we're not 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: watching things blindly or just like going through the motions 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: of it not remembering reality. 53 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: Like I'm not trying to knock on it. I watch 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: these shows. 55 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: Too, but I did have to take a big break 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: from reality TV after my personal experience because it's not 57 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: at all what you see on TV. It's not and 58 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: you realize that you're being run through this machine as 59 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: if you're not a human being. This is not real life. 60 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: This is not your life. It's just for clicks or. 61 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 3: Your character that's going unscripted is really it shouldn't be 62 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: called reality television. It should be called unsc unscripted television, 63 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: which is truly what the industry calls it. Yeah, And 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: I think like the public needs to think of that 65 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: when they're watching this, because it ain't real. There's nothing 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: real about it. 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: There will be there's like elements of it, and I 68 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: think but that's what gets confusing, right The most. 69 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 3: Real is probably Big Brother because it's streamed twenty four 70 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: hours a day. 71 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: So it's like the real world used to be, remember, yeah, yeah, 72 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: but right, so but still they're going in and editing 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: things to write and it's like, yes, I agree, people 74 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: can't be edited to look like a monster if they 75 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: haven't said certain things. And also, like I said a 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, they're editing it to make their story 77 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: what they want it to be. They will do that. 78 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: They'll pick and choose the little things. They'll pick a 79 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: glance from another conversation and put it into that sequence. 80 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: So it looks like you're angrily looking at somebody and 81 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, I never looked at them way right, Yeah. Yeah, 82 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: it's a really bizarre situation. But I think, like what 83 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: you're saying, where you're saying, yeah, we need to remember 84 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: it's not real, and it's not. But it it's so 85 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: confusing because there is this element where it's like, when 86 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm on a show, I'm not introducing myself as a character. 87 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: I was Kelly and Taylor Frankie Paul is Taylor Frankie Paul. 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: And the reason she got famous is because she told 89 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: a story about being a Mormon and them all swinging, 90 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: and that happened to some degree. I mean, some people 91 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: argue that it was fabricated more for the story, you know. 92 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: So it's just like, I think it's really important to 93 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: keep those things in mind when you're watching these shows, 94 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: and we're not just like looking at it as if 95 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: they are an actor. 96 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: They are are a character. 97 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: That there is an element of reality and there's an 98 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: element of it all being played into the storyline, and 99 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: we have to kind of keep our wits about us 100 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: so that we are not subconsciously getting programmed into thinking 101 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: this is like normal. 102 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: These are professionals who should be giving us dating advice, right, 103 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: And we live in an attention economy now where you know, 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: it's there's a million television stations, there's a million serious 105 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: satellite radio stations. Everyone's got TikTok, everyone's got Instagram, everyone 106 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: loves to game. 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: You know. 108 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: Then then Pepper in real life, you know, where you're 109 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: driving your kids to school, or you're at work or 110 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: all the other things that take up our attention in 111 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: our time, television is having to learn how to steal 112 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: attention because they used to be the biggest fish in 113 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: the pond and they're not anymore. And with the advent 114 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: of all of these other outlets, the attention SPAN's gotten 115 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: really short. So it's like, to hold someone's attention for 116 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: thirty minutes in front of a television, there better be 117 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: some slapping and yelling because otherwise nobody. 118 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Cares well, right, And that's the weird thing. It's like, 119 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: if you have any level of health, you're actually really 120 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: boring TV. And I know that because I was called 121 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: that like a couple times. And now, at first I 122 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: was like, why am I boring? Because I don't find 123 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: myself to be a boring person. I don't know, but 124 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: like people in my life have never described me as boring. 125 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: I actually do think I'm kind of boring now. But 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: it's also because like my life is not chaotic and 127 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: crazy and whatever. And I look at being boring as 128 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: like I wear it as a badge now because I'm like, yeah, 129 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: there's I got nothing to throw out that's like, oh 130 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: my god, you're never gonna believe this, and that's a 131 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: good thing. Like I remember my therapist when I started 132 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: dating after doing a lot of works, she was like, 133 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: go for boring. That was like the thing, and I'm thinking, no, 134 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to go for boring, like I want 135 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: my dating life to be exciting. And it has a 136 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: whole different meaning than I ever thought though, because boring 137 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: equates to healthy and it doesn't mean your life is 138 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: gonna be boring. But if you're in a relationship that's 139 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: quote unquote not boring, it probably looks a little bit 140 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: like this domestic violent situation we're experiencing with Taylor Frankie 141 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: paul Er. That's the extreme version, you know. And sure 142 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot to gossip about, but good god, that's 143 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: not what I want in my life. It does make 144 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: it makes way more interesting TV, though, Yeah. 145 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: I haven't seen the video. I also I didn't watch 146 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: Housewives of Salt Lake City? Was it? Wait, she was 147 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 3: on Mormon Lives or something whatever it's called. 148 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: Dead Okay, dad, she's one Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Yes, 149 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: which is probably I would say the biggest reality tope 150 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: show because these girls they fucking go like they they 151 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: say whatever, they tell the hard stuff, like they seem 152 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: like they're not holding back all that night, which they 153 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: seem like. That being the keyword of what I just said, 154 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: there are things I promise you guys that's. 155 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: Just how it goes. 156 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: But the way they have definitely manufactured something that feels 157 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: very intense, and all these girls are in their twenties, 158 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: so they just don't know any better. They don't really 159 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: understand what it is that they're doing. Right now, it's 160 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: going to end up like I feel like you'll feel 161 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: like divorces. Yeah, I think the show could go away 162 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: after this. They're working really hard, you can tell, to 163 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: like create some sort of spin offs and keep attention 164 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: in all these other ways. And it's really gross to 165 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: me to watch act. 166 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: Is that show still active and she was leaving it 167 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: to be the Bachelorette? 168 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: No, she wasn't leaving it. It's still acting. 169 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: She's still doing that, so she's still now. 170 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: Well that show is on hiatus because of all this, apparently, 171 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: But now they're creating all these other storylines where like 172 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: this one character, Jesse is dating this one girl's ex husband, Chase, 173 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is such bullshit, Like none of 174 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: this is real. 175 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: They're just literally. 176 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: Trying to ab y'all's attention again, or maybe there was 177 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: some They just do these crazy things about like again, 178 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: these are all really dysfunctional situations, like Jesse is in 179 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: the middle of a divorce and she's apparently hooking. I 180 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: feel so embarrassed that I'm even saying this stuff. 181 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like, when did you have the time 182 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: to watch this? 183 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: I know it's the one that I watch that's like this. 184 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: The other ones I watch are all dating shows, and 185 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: I love to analyze people that way. And I know, 186 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is about me. I gotta 187 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: think about that. But yeah, I know it's chaotic and 188 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: they're all acting in these crazy ways. But look at 189 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: the Housewives franchises. These are fifty something year old women 190 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: throwing shit and you know, throwing tables, flipping over tables. 191 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: It's like embarrassing if you really think about it. 192 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: And yet made them richer. You know, we're sitting. 193 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: There like making famous and having they have full careers 194 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: now and starting businesses and stuff, and it's part of 195 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: the again, and like. 196 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: Late into it, people like Kathy Hilton join like, oh yeah, 197 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: its like from where I sit. If I were Kathy 198 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: Hilton or any sort of rich housewife, it would be 199 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: the last thing on my mind wanting to do that. 200 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: I'd look at my I'd look at my bank account 201 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: and be like I'm gonna go have lunch with my girlfriends. 202 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but people just want to, you know, have something 203 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: of their own, or they think, you know, it's the 204 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: same piece of it whatever. 205 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, but ugh. 206 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: So in my conversation with Jackie, I said to her, like, 207 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of wild that this is what we're being 208 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: fed as people out here trying to find love, and 209 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: you almost do start to believe it, and there will 210 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: be every now and again a story of real love 211 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: that seems to come out of it. She pointed out 212 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: a couple on Love is Blind this season, Vic and Christine, 213 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: and they truly do feel like they're super in love, 214 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: and they were given the least screen time. I mean, 215 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: like in the reunion they talk to them a good 216 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: bit because I think it's a success story, so they're 217 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, we need this. But even they said, yeah, 218 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: we were the boring ones and we know it. But 219 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: it's because they genuinely were falling in love and they 220 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: seem like somewhat healthy people for that, like ready, so. 221 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: Their attention went to each other instead of the cameras. 222 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: But when you think about what I'm just worring at TV, 223 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: they did what the experiment or the show is supposed 224 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: to do, and yet they are not the ones we 225 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: were talking about. 226 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: And that's the problem. 227 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: Like that, I mean that it's a big red flag. 228 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: But I would think that like very few people who 229 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: sign up for those shows have the intention of falling 230 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: in love that's greater than the intention of becoming rich 231 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 3: and famous. 232 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: I think that's probably right at this point. I want 233 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: to believe it didn't start that way, like. 234 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: Love Connection and things like that back in the seventies, 235 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: like Love Oh my God, I love that show. Let's 236 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: bring it back. If it hasn't been brought back, I 237 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: don't know, But yeah, I don't. I don't think anyone really. 238 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: I think their motives are about the fame and the attention. 239 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: You didn't have this. 240 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Everyone has a personal brand now, you know, because we 241 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: all have social media and so you didn't have that 242 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: back in the day. So even if you had this 243 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: moment on TV, it didn't necessarily change your life in 244 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: the same way that it can. 245 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: Now, right. 246 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: It doesn't always though, you know, And that's the thing 247 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: that people don't realize either. But I think people join 248 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, I'm a fitness I'm a trainer 249 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: and this will help me build my business and whatever. 250 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: That's so funny. I saw a meme that was like 251 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: it looked like the Brady Bunch square of all the 252 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: guys that were the contestants on the bats We're atte 253 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it was basically was like, really sad 254 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 3: for all these guys who are hoping to turn their 255 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: television fame into online training. It's empires. 256 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: I saw that same meme. 257 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: It's the truth though, and I mean, you know, I 258 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: do see why people do that, but I think the 259 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: fact that we're being marketed that they're in it for 260 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: love is what's messed up, because like Taylor is the 261 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Bachelorette and she's hooking up with her ex the night 262 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: before she left for the show, so it's like she 263 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: obviously wasn't ready for a relationship, Like she's still in 264 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: this very toxic back and forth dynamic with him. I 265 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: think she ended up breaking up with the guy she 266 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: gets engaged to on the show to be with Dakota again. 267 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 2: So it's like this is. 268 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: You think they'll just put it, They'll make it like streaming, 269 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: only like just drop the whole thing. 270 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: We can in good taste because I think it's become 271 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: so obvious. Like Jackie said it this way. She said 272 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: they knew she was unhealthy because it's the way she 273 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: got famous. They just didn't realize how unhealthy or how 274 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: far into this dynamic she was, you know. And so 275 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: I think what they ended up getting was actually a 276 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: fairly boring season from what I've read, because she wasn't 277 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: in it, you know, like she's not really in that. 278 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: She's still thinking about her ex I would imagine, and 279 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: so I don't know, I think it just exposed. It's 280 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: interesting to me what it's exposing. And I think the 281 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: conversation does need to shift to some accountability with these 282 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: TV like executives or whatever, because it's like you're the 283 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: one putting out to the world that this is what 284 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: a relationship looks like. But it's like at the end 285 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: of the day that all they're looking for is rating. 286 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: So I don't really know who to hold it account 287 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: for this, but it's like something is not right, and 288 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that this is the moment of this like 289 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: reality TV reckoning, because something has got to shift and 290 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: it's just like this really gross world where we have 291 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: to really start realizing the humanity here in my opinion, 292 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: and then also like what we're doing to society, But 293 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: you would. 294 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: Be the fact that people still show up to watch. 295 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: But that's the problem, that's what that's the problem. 296 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the bigger problem. Like, you know, it's 297 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: It's not like I'm gonna sit here and call for 298 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: a boycott of reality television, because I do think there 299 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: are unscripted shows that are fucking great. But like the 300 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: reason why I've never cared about The Bachelor is because 301 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: I could look at that first season in the advertising 302 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: and be like, this isn't ever going to work, you know, 303 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: like these people are if they if they fall in 304 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: love and get married, it will be by the biggest 305 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: stroke of chance ever that they happen to cast these 306 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: two people. There is no way that this is real. 307 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: You know, there are some couple there. 308 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: Have been a couple of yeah, that have lasted less 309 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: than a handful for sure. 310 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean shit, when they did The Golden Bachelor, 311 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: didn't the same guy come back the second season? 312 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: I don't know they did. 313 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: I haven't watched The Bachelor in forever because it became 314 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: it's so obviously programmed. It's like every season had this 315 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: program to it. It was like, Okay, there's this person, 316 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: then there's this, and then there's that, and it was 317 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: just like this formula that seemed to work for a second, 318 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: so they went with it. But it's so insulting. I'm like, 319 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: do you guys not think we have any more of 320 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: a brain? 321 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: Like? But they don't. 322 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: There's this huge Bachelor nation that like these people like 323 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: I mean, it just turns all these people into like 324 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: weird celebrities and there's an obsession with it. I think 325 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: it's like, maybe the solution is we need to bring 326 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: back soap operas. 327 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: I will say, though, on a bigger scale, what this 328 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: conversation with Jackie really made me think was like, is 329 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: modern dating as confusing or bad as we make it 330 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: out to be? 331 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: Or are is it us? 332 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: Like? Are we comparing what like looking at shows like Bachelorette, 333 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: Love is Blind, Love Island and just going, yep, see 334 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: all men are fucked up or all women are the 335 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: crazy or you know whatever? Are we making our judgments 336 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: for that and then going out in the world and 337 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: finding that or operating the way we see these people 338 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: operating on these shows? 339 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 2: Like is that are what is that called? Our example. 340 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: There's another word that I'm not thinking of, but like, 341 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: is that our example of dating? And so then we 342 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: go out in the dating world and we're doing it 343 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: that way and obviously it's not working instead of something 344 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: that's actually going to teach us how to do it 345 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: or give us a hopeful look at dating. Does that 346 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: make sense. 347 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 3: What I'm trying to remember, Like, I mean, I haven't 348 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: watched it in forever. I don't even know if it's 349 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 3: still on. I know they brought it back. But like 350 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: Queer Eye and shows like that that were so entertaining 351 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: and uplifting. 352 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: And it was long improvement shows. 353 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: I love that, I mean, But like the Queer Eye, sometimes, 354 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: like it wasn't always about like we're going to spif 355 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: you up and get you ready for a date. Sometimes 356 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: it was just like, hey, my friend is really challenged 357 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: in all of these areas? Can you help? But sometimes 358 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 3: there was an element like I've got this date that 359 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 3: I've got to go on, and I need help in 360 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: all of these areas. And that to me is really 361 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 3: useful information. It's productive. 362 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: You're having an expert talk you through, like teach you something, right. 363 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: I love a show that exposes an expert that to. 364 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: Me, especially the Bachelorette and and Love Island and things 365 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: like that. You know, they're they're probably pumping the kids, 366 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: the contestants or participants whatever you want to call them, 367 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: full of alcohol. There's they're definitely like depriving them of sleep. 368 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: So they're not like they're. 369 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: They're access outside. 370 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: They don't know what's going on in the world. Yeah, 371 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: there's a lot of psychological warfare that happens on these 372 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: things and it's just not a healthy example. Also, we 373 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: learn through these things that the grass is always greener, 374 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: you know, like people are just disposable and that's kind 375 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: of gross. But when you that with a world where 376 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: I can look to see who's looking to date on 377 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: my phone, I can find people in Paris now, like 378 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 3: that just didn't exist. Also, you can ask somebody out 379 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 3: via text or break up with them via text, so 380 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: you don't even have to interact anymore, you know, Like 381 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: at least when we were kids, if you were going 382 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: to break up with somebody with a note, you had 383 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: to like hand it to them at yeah, or take 384 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: the time to write it and like it's in your handwriting, 385 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 3: like there was like that's emotional there you're connected to 386 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: that in a way versus like just trying to fire 387 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: off the like this isn't working text and then blocking somebody. 388 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's so easy that there's an art 389 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: to it. And if it were meant to be easy, 390 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: we would all find our people really quickly and everyone 391 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: would be happy. And I think these shows are doing 392 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: us a disservice. I can see why they're entertaining to people, 393 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 3: but I think there are a cancer that's like it's 394 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: permeating like society. 395 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insidious, and. 396 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish that they would go away in some ways, 397 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: Like to me, you see a show like Love on 398 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 3: the spectrum, Yeah, and I know it's you know, these 399 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 3: people are obviously they operate on a different plane because 400 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: of their specialness. But what I love about it is 401 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: it's so pure. Like what it has that these other 402 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: shows lack is honesty, right, And I mean the truth 403 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: is is we've all been on a date where we 404 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: sit down with somebody and fifteen minutes in you're like 405 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: they ask like, well, will you want to do this again? 406 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: And you want to be like, hell no, I don't 407 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 3: think this is a fit, but you say yes, you know, 408 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: because you're not involved enough, and these people are like, 409 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: yeah I don't think so, yeah. 410 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: A lot we can learn from that. 411 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes back to our conversation last week. They 412 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't have the same issues we were talking about where 413 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: you're like, are we am I people pleasing or am 414 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: I like? Am I keeping the peace? Or am I 415 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: abandoning myself? You know, They're like, I'm just a choice. 416 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: But it's their truth. They tell you the truth and. 417 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: The beautiful thing. 418 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: And that's like, I think the gas lighting and the 419 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: lies sometimes happens because we are all like as human beings, 420 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 3: we are desperate for love and connection, like it is 421 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: what we're put here for. So even in bad situations, 422 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 3: there's still a glimmer of that, you know, so you're 423 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: you're holding onto that thing that you so crave. But 424 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: the cast members of love is blind, like they're not 425 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 3: desperate for that, right, Like they they exist in their 426 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: world and they're honest, and they know what they like, 427 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 3: they know what they don't want, and they just don't 428 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: have the skills necessarily that we think are the skills. 429 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: On the spectrum. 430 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about love. Oh yeah, sorry, Love on 431 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 3: the spectrum and they also haven't been forced all these ideas, 432 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: which I think tells you something about the shit that 433 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: we're watching that is giving us information that is misleading. 434 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Well that's what Jackie was saying. She was like, we're 435 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: subconsciously absorbing so much when you're watching these shows that 436 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: you don't understand you're actually being programmed to look at 437 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: the dating world out in the real world like you 438 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: see it on a Love is Blind, the Bachelor, all 439 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: of those things. There is one show I started watching 440 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: a while back. It's called Too Hot to Handle, and 441 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: it's from the world of I think the Love Is 442 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: Love Island people. I don't know, maybe all those are 443 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: like kind of connected, I think in some way. And 444 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's still got its reality TV elements, so 445 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: it's not perfect by any means. But one thing I 446 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: do appreciate that they try to do, like they bring 447 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: these people into this experiment and they think they're going 448 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: on a different reality show. So they're all like kind 449 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: of sex crazed, like you know, going in thinking they're 450 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: going to find the hot girl and hook up with 451 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: all these people. And they'd say that openly, and I'm 452 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: sure the producer's egg that on at the beginning. Then 453 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: they get to this experiment. They're all living in the 454 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: same house and the rule is you cannot hook up 455 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: with anybody or money gets deducted from the winning prize. 456 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: So you can fall in love and really get to 457 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: know someone. But if you go physical, and especially if 458 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: you go physical first, there's like a deduction in the 459 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: prize pot. 460 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: So it becomes really interesting. 461 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: So and it affects everybody, and. 462 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: It affects everybody. So then some people cheat and everyone's 463 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: getting mad at them. You know, there's all these different 464 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: elements to that part of it. 465 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: The thing. The other thing I really. 466 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: Like that they do, though, is they go do these 467 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: like excursions or activities and if, like say, somebody has cheated, 468 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: and they'll really amp that up where they go do 469 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: an event type thing with some form of a facilitator, 470 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: let's like either like a somatic therapist or a relationship coach, 471 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: someone that makes them do something to connect to the 472 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: why why are you going out hooking up with this person? 473 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: Not in a shaming way, but let's look at what 474 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: you're looking for here, Like let's unpack it a little bit. 475 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: And to me, I'm like, okay, this is what we 476 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: need to be doing showing people how to learn about 477 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: themselves through relationships and grow and then find true love 478 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: or a real relationship or a healthy dynamic. Like, yeah, 479 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: get the thing that I think we're actually looking for, 480 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: But people don't know how to get right and they 481 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: don't want to take the steps to do it. It's 482 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: like an interesting process. So then you do find some 483 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: of them are kind of leaning in and they really 484 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: do grow from these experiments and get in a healthier situations. 485 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: Some of them don't, obviously, and they're there for the TV. 486 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: That's just always going to be what you get with 487 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: these shows. But I really need that, Yes, but I 488 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: respect them for at least attempting to do something that's 489 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: teachable through you know, these relationship experiments versus hey, let's 490 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: just like throw a bunch of crazy people in a 491 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: house and see what happens and make a TV that's 492 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: like I think we need to all start using our 493 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: brains a little bit and not so blindly accepting entertainment 494 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: as entertainment and kind of go, this is actually said 495 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: or that, you know what I mean? Like I hope 496 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: that we start kind of waking up to like, yeah, 497 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to watch these people 498 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: destroy themselves and each other as entertainment anymore, that's a 499 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: little bit odd if. 500 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 3: You really think, I mean, I feel like I'm there. 501 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you really did a good job. 502 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: It's not It's just never really interested me to say 503 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 3: I don't watch reality to you. I loved the Real World. 504 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 3: I loved love on the Spectrum. I think it's great. Yeah, 505 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: I was just thinking there was. It didn't last long. 506 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: I don't even know if there was more than one season. 507 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: But there was a show called True Beauty that Vanessa 508 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 3: Leche hosted, okay, and it was a modeling competition, uh huh, 509 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: where what they didn't realize it was like a bunch 510 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: of hidden camera stuff and they were being judged for 511 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: being kind. Oh yeah, So they were always being put 512 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: in these situations where like someone needed help or something, 513 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 3: and the way that they were moving forward in the 514 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 3: competition was that they were actually the kindest person there 515 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 3: and it wasn't based on looks at all, but they 516 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: all thought it was based on their. 517 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: Looks, right, Yeah, it's like True Beauty's on the inside 518 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: kind of thing. 519 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 520 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I think if there is a 521 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: way to do it that's entertaining. There's always going to 522 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: be the mixed messages, I think, because it is TV 523 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: and entertainment at the end. 524 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: Of the day. 525 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: But hopefully we can get a little more clear on 526 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: who's getting cast on these shows for one, and just 527 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: opened that conversation into like, yeah, there should probably be 528 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: like a mental health check before, and I'm sure there 529 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: is to some degree. I mean I've told you as that, 530 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: like every show like this has a psychiatrist. But again, 531 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I think we need to look at that, like if 532 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: we're putting people in these situations where they may need 533 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: psychiatric help even more, do you really think that it's 534 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: a good thing to put volatile no people in that 535 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: kind of dynamic. It is, like it's really really gross 536 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: when you really think about it. So I don't really 537 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: know what the solution is. It's not really my job 538 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: to think about it. I don't work in TV. But 539 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: I do think it's our responsibility a little bit to 540 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: start talking about these kind of things, to maybe just 541 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: like ask the questions so that we all start thinking 542 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: about what we're consuming orsus just mindlessly going through it. 543 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: And then like in the situation like this, because I've 544 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: seen how it's played out online like the trolling that 545 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: shit is just so it's insane to me. I'm like, 546 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: what are we doing. We're now like demonizing a person 547 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: that we actually don't even know what's really going on here, 548 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: because I think Taylor's getting in a lot of trouble 549 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: for this video that went out, and as a person 550 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: who's experienced something terrible like that dynamic like that where 551 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: you're just reacting like, I want to know more. I 552 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: need to know more of the story if we're going 553 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: to know this part of it, like how the video 554 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: get let out, like just all these things. There's so 555 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: many other questions, and I don't think that it's a 556 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: healthy situation. So I really hope that they can all 557 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: get help, and I hope that we can stop looking 558 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: at their tragedy as entertainment. 559 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: I find that to be really, really, really sad. 560 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know anyway, I want to know 561 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: what everyone thinks about this, so please email us at 562 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: the Edge at velvesedge dot com or slide into my 563 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: DMS at Velvet's Edge. This to me is like a 564 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: I need other input because I obviously have my own 565 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: thoughts on it, and a lot of that is from 566 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: my past experiences. So if you're just a watcher from 567 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: the outside, I want to know what you think. Let's 568 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: talk about it. 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