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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, the Mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer, and man, I am proud too have

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Speaker 2: a return guest, one of my best friends on the

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Speaker 2: planet but also a coaching star on the rise. Last

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Speaker 2: time we talked to him, he was the head coach

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Speaker 2: at Tennessee State. Now we're talking to him. He's the

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Speaker 2: head coach at Bowling Green. One of the best running

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Speaker 2: backs to ever play. My dude, Eddie George, how everybody,

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Speaker 2: Miss Booker?

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm doing great, man, Miss Booker?

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Speaker 3: Which the word?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: What's the word?

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Speaker 1: Seeing you? Man?

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Speaker 3: Great? Seeing you buddy?

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Speaker 2: And man, you and I well we talked obviously when

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Speaker 2: you were going to interview for the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't even like we haven't We didn't dive into this.

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Speaker 2: How did Bullgreen come about? How quickly did it come about?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: What was crazy? Man? And when I saw you in Indie,

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Speaker 1: just up there for the Tennessee State and just doing

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Speaker 1: my rounds is meeting people, networking and all that. That

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Speaker 1: night I think I saw across the ticker, Bowling green

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Speaker 1: head coach takes the Philadelphia Eagle job.

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Speaker 3: Right, I saw you get the combine.

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Speaker 1: Saying at the desk, all this so happened to combine

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Speaker 1: right after, So it's something about you.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty much for your life, yes, right.

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Speaker 1: So I look at the ticker and I say, man,

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Speaker 1: that's a messed up situation. I said, I would hate

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Speaker 1: to be that in that situation because of the timing,

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Speaker 1: you know, two weeks before camp, the two weeks before

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Speaker 1: springball starts. And I was like, man, they got they

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Speaker 1: gotta have an issue with that. So next morning, I'm

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Speaker 1: driving back home and it's about a you know, three

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Speaker 1: hour driver, so beautiful drive back, and I'm just contemplating, like, man, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to the last year of my deal,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm hoptimistic at things you want to

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Speaker 1: work out at Tennessee State and thinking about my team,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, God's what's going to be

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Speaker 1: next for me? You know it is? You know, I

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Speaker 1: had interview for the Bear's job and so forth, and

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Speaker 1: I was intrigued by that and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's next. And about ten minutes later, I'm driving through

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Speaker 1: Bowling Green, Kentucky. I see a sign Bowling Green, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking down on my dashboard it said urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer text mess for Urban Meyer. I was like, okay, interesting.

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Speaker 1: I looked at the text and it says, hey, would

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Speaker 1: you be interested in the Bowling Green job. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh boy. In immediately I'm like, oh god, that sounds

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Speaker 1: like a tough situation because of the timing and all

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Speaker 1: of that. Long story short, I call Urban We talked.

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Speaker 1: The guy from a DHR, Glenn Sujianmi calls me and

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Speaker 1: tells me that hey, I want you to you should

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Speaker 1: really look into this job. And I'm like, well, the

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Speaker 1: timing and all says, well, hey, just just look into it.

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Speaker 1: Seems like a good fit you ohioh blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: So go home and discuss it with my wife. She

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Speaker 1: seems like she was on board. And then I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: let me just you know, secretly, just talk about it

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Speaker 1: talk have the interview, because I didn't want it to

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Speaker 1: be out there that hey, you know, I'm searching for

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Speaker 1: a job. I mean, I don't want to lose my team.

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Speaker 1: So I go through that process really well on my

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Speaker 1: way to Arizona for a retreat. That weekend. I fly

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Speaker 1: out to Arizona, which was another adventure. I get there,

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Speaker 1: I get a two hour massage. Then I get a

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Speaker 1: call saying, hey, he wants you to come interview in

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Speaker 3: Massage time out?

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Speaker 1: It was, it was, it's in Tucson. It's a legitimate spot.

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Speaker 1: Stop with see your mind, you're sick. Here you go

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Speaker 3: The the dag on uh.

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Speaker 1: Investigatory is a legitimate massage by a professional?

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Speaker 3: I'm just asking. I'm just making an observation.

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Speaker 1: It's not. It's not the kind that you get, all right,

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Speaker 1: the thirty minute ones.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: But I go to a Z and I go to

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Speaker 1: The you know what what this meant? You know what

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Speaker 1: but it just was the opportunity that you know, really

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Speaker 1: at a tough time. So that's how it all came about, Jay,

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Speaker 1: And you know, it did a lot of prayer through

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Speaker 1: in the end, I think it was a win win

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Speaker 3: So what made you want to run to the fire

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Speaker 3: and Steff run away from me?

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Speaker 1: It's always been my life. The Tennessee State job came

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Speaker 1: at a time when it was it came out of nowhere. Again,

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Speaker 1: but it was something that called me to it to say, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: and that instance Tennessee State was about, Hey, how can

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Speaker 1: And then it's like, Wow, I love coaching. I love

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Speaker 1: because it's a challenge, But ultimately it's about preparing these men,

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Speaker 1: It was it was something they called me.

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Speaker 2: How much did the Bears interview play your name get

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think a lot. It prepared me for this moment,

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Speaker 3: We talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know what, Jay, it's you know, we talked

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Speaker 1: about it. I called you, you know, to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what is this really about? You know, and I wasn't

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Speaker 1: You must do it, you know absolutely, And the experience

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Speaker 1: In terms of the interview.

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Speaker 2: What's good that you just brought this up because it's

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Speaker 2: self scounting is great, right, and it's like you know

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Speaker 2: we far, we're always kind of working on stuff we're

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Speaker 3: That's where it's the right place to do it. No

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Speaker 2: So when you're in that interview, tell me the instances

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just I ain't really prepared here, and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was more about I guess roster management,

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Speaker 3: Well, there was something you knew better or you didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. Excuse me, I didn't. I wasn't really

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Speaker 1: that experience was invaluable man. So you know, the Bears

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Speaker 1: What is going through your mind is twenty three seconds

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Speaker 1: on the clock, two timeouts? What do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: You know? Do you try to go for the first down?

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Speaker 1: Do you try to get aggressive do you play for

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Speaker 3: My analytic guy right now? That guy right?

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Speaker 1: So you know, and it was good, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was great, man, And I'm like, I can dig this.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people get down with her

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Speaker 2: and things like this. They don't know the answer, and

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Speaker 2: then they get down themselves. Instead of realizing exactly they are,

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, man, I got choked out my first MMA, best

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Speaker 1: and I had to learn the hard way. I made

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Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. There's a lot of things that

437
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: would have done differently when I look back in hindsight,

438
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was not perfect, and you know it's

439
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: okay that I wasn't. But my heart's in the right place,

440
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's that's what I

441
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: had to learn, like, you know, delegating other duties orange

442
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: of coaches and holding them accountable. And it's really the

443
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: coaches that you got to manage more so than the

444
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: actual kids. At times, you don't what I'm saying that

445
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That's the crazy part. Is this the coaches

446
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: that you have to look out for. But yeah, kids,

447
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: you know what you canna get. But you figure like

448
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: you're a grown man, like really, we I right, we

449
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: have to have this conversation that you're eighteen, you know,

450
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: so ay the way.

451
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: The coaches, the conversation with these coaches.

452
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: When you become an NFL head coach, you're still gonna

453
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: have with these NFL assistants. Just you know it, don't

454
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't yah what you realize too, especially you know,

455
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: I hope a lot of guys get hired as head

456
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: coaches the league.

457
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: As you know, I warn them all everyone in your

458
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 3: buildings fucked up.

459
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 2: And you don't know it until you sit in that chair,

460
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: and then you find out what the fuck really goes

461
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: on with this guy and his wife and his baby's mama,

462
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: and his agent and this and that and these hangers

463
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: on and these people and this. Oh my god, it's everything,

464
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: and it's not. It becomes so much less about X

465
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: and os and more about how do I manage every

466
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: people and people around those people so I can get

467
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: the best.

468
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: From my guys. Right, But you have no idea until

469
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 3: you're sitting in that scene.

470
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what you have a you have I

471
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: have a new appreciation for guys like Jeff this year,

472
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: and Bill part ourselves and and Mike Tomlin and you know,

473
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: the guys that have had to sit in these seats

474
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 1: and make some stuff, decisions decisions, and ultimately a lot

475
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: of that stuff comes back on them, you know, and

476
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: it's it is a tough is a tough seat to

477
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: sit in because it's a lot to manage.

478
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: And there's no schooling.

479
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: Even if you get a psychiatry like you could get

480
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: a mastering psychiatry, it does not prepare.

481
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: You can crush your desk.

482
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: In the world of football, not close the stuff come

483
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: across your desk. You cannot find a case study anywhere.

484
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: As soon as you walk in the building, it's came on.

485
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

486
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: So by the time I walked from the parking lot

487
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: to my office and getting attacked with five things that

488
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with prior to even putting things down.

489
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: So you got to you gotta come in and with

490
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: a clear mind, and you have to take time out

491
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: for yourself to do some self care. Hence the trip

492
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: to Arizona with a massage and a yoga retreat. And

493
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: so that's how.

494
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: Do you take daily death. The other problem I find

495
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: for head coaches. They always tell me a couple of things.

496
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: I always tell these guys, hey date your wife. They

497
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: signed up for you, not that seat. So a lot

498
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: of times why I was gonna get insecure too, because

499
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everybody knows you. You're different because

500
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: everyone's knowing you. For all, everybody knows you. People are

501
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: coming up during family dinners asking for pictures, date your wife,

502
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: but also time, like you think you don't have enough

503
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: time hours in the day.

504
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: Take care of yourself. He's got to stop working out.

505
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: They stopped taking care of themselves.

506
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: So I'm always telling these guys, you got to figure

507
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: out a way to take that self care.

508
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: What do you do well? Jay? He's funny you say that, man,

509
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: because I for the last was it fifteen last twelve years,

510
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I started planning out my daily life, okay, And what

511
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: I do is I start with me first, and is

512
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: my private time and workout, right, and it's at the

513
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: top of the morning. I was up at four thirty

514
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: this morning working out, making sure I got my workout

515
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: hit practice field.

516
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: Go back to my looking at problems when you're doing that,

517
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: or you just.

518
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no, that's my time, my time.

519
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: These guys get on the treadmill, but they'll start looking

520
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: at that. You got to give your brain and your

521
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: soul rest so you can come back.

522
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: With that with your buckets and you'll you'll find the

523
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: answers in the rest when you rest and you put

524
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: it down like there was a coach Derek Mason told

525
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: me a long time ago to start journaling, especially at night.

526
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: Just just journal your day out. How did it go,

527
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: what did I learn, what did I accomplish? What do

528
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I have to do tomorrow? So that way when you

529
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: lay down, you're not thinking about it, you're not having

530
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: to sort things out. Like I didn't get any sleep

531
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: the last few weeks because of this whole staff situation.

532
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about who do I keep, who do I tell?

533
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: Who they have it? It drives you, so it drives

534
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: you nuts. So it's very important that you when you

535
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: when you do a hard stop at night, say listen,

536
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: eight thirty when I stepped foot in that household is

537
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: nothing but my family decompressed. For me to just just

538
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: ease out and know that the issues will be there

539
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: tomorrow and I'll solve it between that time. The last

540
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is continue to blind the

541
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: camera at both ends, and that that's stress, that stress

542
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: to eat you alive. Man.

543
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: By the way, just you know in the NFL and

544
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: ain't thirty thing don't work because motherfuckers don't get in

545
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: trouble before eight thirty.

546
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, trust me. I know. Hey, the real

547
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: the real stuff begins when you leave the building.

548
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: That's right, man, that's what happened. Oh my god.

549
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: All right man again, I appreciate you joining me. Man,

550
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: this is so great. How have you enjoyed this process?

551
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: Have you?

552
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: Have you landed yet? You know, I said, like, okay,

553
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm here, I get what's going on, and you're.

554
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Still yeah, that's a great question. I haven't landed yet.

555
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still trying to find my sea legs.

556
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm still you know, finding myself thinking about what I

557
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: could have done differently at TSU or you know, just

558
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: kind of just going through that whole thing, you know,

559
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: thinking about that part.

560
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: Why you doing that?

561
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it's the kids. Like my son's still there, right,

562
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: you know, So it's it's it's that part, you know

563
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like with with the whole portal and

564
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: all of that. So that is not like I'm think

565
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: regretting anything now. I'm just thinking about, you know, how

566
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to get them to come here and so forth,

567
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: and you know that that part. But anyway, just yeah,

568
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: finding my sea legs is I'm still in that process,

569
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get a house and trying to

570
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: get a routine. You know, each day that I'm involved

571
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: in ball and I'm watching nine on seven and getting

572
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: around the guys and getting to know them gets me

573
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: more and more settled into my role. And I'll tell

574
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: you what the hopefully, hopefully you can come to a game,

575
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: is not that far from Detroit, you know, I know,

576
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: but but I'm saying I have to do with anything

577
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: because you go to these camps. I know you travel around.

578
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'll do that and I will definitely come

579
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: talk to you.

580
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Yes, so not that far from Detroit. I know you're

581
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: a Dan Campbell fan. I'll be going to Detroit myself.

582
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to go up there some time. But yeah,

583
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm really I'm really enjoying the process. I

584
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: am having a good time and with the people here,

585
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: they've been very, very helpful. They've embraced it. They're excited.

586
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: So I'm ready to go.

587
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave fans here with one story, because

588
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Eddie and I have a million great stories. She told

589
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: us a last podcast, a bunch of them. I don't

590
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: think we told this one Eddie's family, right, we're family. Well,

591
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: I have just crazy story.

592
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: Right.

593
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: So I'm in a place called Sushi.

594
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: By Scratch with Justin Hartley, who's on this is us

595
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: and Tracker. So we're at his house. We go to

596
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: the Sushi by Scratch and we have which is incredible.

597
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite restaurants in America. But we

598
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: have like this sixteen seventy course on Makassi and there

599
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: was a different drink with each one and about shot

600
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: number twelve whatever. I get a FaceTime apparently for Maddie George.

601
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember this, and yeah, you guys know, Howdy Georgia.

602
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: I show everybody there and what is like a week later?

603
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, I get a cook Eddie's son going hey,

604
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: mister Glazer, I like an hour out, how do I

605
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: get in the house.

606
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about? Do you know

607
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: about this part?

608
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: Bro?

609
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: I had?

610
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: I was so drunk.

611
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Each son was gone and passed to stay with me.

612
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: I did not remember at fall.

613
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I think I called and you feeled

614
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: me and I'm like, hey, that but uncle does I said.

615
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: Yes, a recollection and he's staying for a couple of weeks,

616
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: a lot of movement. I was like, no, it happened generally.

617
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Hey, Eddie, you have to tell your son. He's he's

618
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: got two weeks to get out of here. A jay

619
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: kick him out. I mean, listen, hey, hey man, you're

620
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: You're hilarious. Man, you're hilarious.

621
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: Your part of that story is the next morning, Justin

622
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: Hartley left his wife and I was out to that before.

623
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: He really is a great actor. I was with the

624
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: two of them, no clue.

625
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy again. You're like, you're a sign

626
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: for someone that their life is about to completely change

627
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: when you come around. They're like, this is again again again.

628
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: I saw you in Indy. My life changed. Somebody else's

629
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: life changed, so you Hey, I couldn't know.

630
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: There was no signs, not a single sign.

631
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: It was the next day I looked on him, and

632
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: not even when he was drunk, he didn't say nothing

633
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: like it.

634
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: By the way, tomorrow is gonna be a bad one. Zero.

635
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: This motherfucker could act.

636
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Hey, that's why he's getting paid the big bucks.

637
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, Eddie, I love you, buddy. I'm proud to

638
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: have most of your son, proud to be your brother.

639
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, man, love you brother, loveybody

640
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: Hey, George Head, Coach, Bull and Green,