1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class from house 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: And I'm Tracy Wilson, and today we are talking about 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: subject admittedly very near and dear to my heart and 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: one that I think it might startle people initially to 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: think about. It is a history I don't but it 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: really has quite a fascinating history all of its own. 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: And that is Disneyland's Haunted Mansion. Where those of you 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: at home, which is everyone, maybe not they might be 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: on the go. Maybe so when people who are not 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: here in the room with us, which is everyone but 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: you and me and our producer Noel Uh, Holly has 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: on a Haunted Mansion T shirt. I do. I have 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: a my Hanta Mansion shirt, my Hantamasion ring. I really 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: love the Honey Mansion. My house has a lot of 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: Honey Mansion. Theming um and it is one of those 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: things that when you read about the history of how 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: this project came to fruition, it's a little bit enlightening. 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Uh and it's uh it sort of creates for me, 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: I know, kind of a lens through which viewing, like 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: some of the trials and tribulations that happened in like 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: anyone's modern day to day work life and kind of 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: a different way, and it gives a perspective of like, no, 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: everybody has these issues, you know, like if you have 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: a project that's taking forever, if you have like a 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: thing that you want to do but you get excited 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: and then it gets put away and it never comes 28 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: to fruition. Those things happen all the time to everybody. 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: And I think, uh, you know, we don't because the 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: Disney Company has become so huge, we don't think about 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: that ever having happened in the context of Disney, but 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: in fact, it was happening all the time. Well. And 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: I also love this story because of like the historic 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: visual effects techniques that were used and how many of 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: them still hold up and are and used today. So uh, 36 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: for younger listeners, it's probably really easy to think about 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: Disneyland and Walt Disney World as places that have been 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: around forever, but they really haven't. Uh. Disneyland has only 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: been around since the nineteen fifties and disney World open 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen seventies, but the ideas for those 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: parks go back quite a bit further. One of the 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: iconic attractions at all Disney Parks is the Haunted Mansion. 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: And as any Disney file will tell you, each attraction 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: in the parks has its own story, but the Haunted 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: Mansion's history is particularly steeped in legends, partly because of 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: the supernatural theming, which leads to all kinds of ghost 47 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: stories and horror. Yeah, and as I was saying earlier, 48 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: the story of Disneyland and the development of the Mansion 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: is also a really good one to look at because 50 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: it showcases how, um you know, even great success has 51 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: a lot of failure along the way. I think, um, 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, Walt Disney has become so legend legendary as 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: a visionary that a lot of the struggles that his 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: projects went through, and a lot of the struggles that 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: you went through trying to get things done, Uh, they 56 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: get glossed over or they get overlooked completely. But he 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: had a lot of bumpy rides, and regardless of whether 58 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: you view him and the Disney Company in a positive 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: or negative light, And that's like almost could be a 60 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: podcast on its own, because there are people it's very 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: polarizing for some people, but the sheer number of achievements 62 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: that he managed in his life is really impressive. But 63 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: when you actually look at how it all happened, a 64 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: lot of the stories of that great success, they have 65 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: nothing to do with luck or you know, blind good fortune. 66 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: They're really like the result of hard work and perseverance 67 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: and really pushing through, which I think is important to 68 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: remember because again it's become such a huge company, we 69 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: think of it as just being a powerful entity, and 70 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: we forget that it there were baby steps in the beginning. Well, 71 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: for many people alive today, Disney has always been a 72 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: juggernaut for the entirety of their existence. It was not 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: always a juggernaut, no, not at all, and even the 74 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: project of the Hunted Mansion had many stops and starts, uh, 75 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: both with them without Walt. So we're gonna first started 76 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: off by talking about a quick overview of kind of 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: the birth of Disneyland. In nineteen fifty one, Disney had 78 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: an idea for a park to give families something to 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: do to get together in southern California. His first plan 80 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: was to make a park in Burbank, across the street 81 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: from the Disney studios. Even in the first series of 82 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: concepts sketches that Walt asked director Harper Goff to do 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: there was always a haunted house and all of them. 84 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: And it first started as a part of a group 85 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: that also had a church in a graveyard. And on 86 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: December sixteenth of ninety two, Walt Disney Incorporated was founded 87 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: by Disney to build the park. UH. The name changed 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: almost immediately to w E. D Enterprises. UH. Some people 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: will say WED and the w E D stands for 90 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Walter Elias Disney, but today we actually know that entity 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: as the as Walt Disney Imagineering. So it went through 92 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: a few name changes, but it originally started in nine 93 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: to build Disneyland. UH. And that new company was actually 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: staffed up with a lot of the artists and the 95 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: visionaries from Walt's movie studio, even though they had not 96 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: worked on a theme park before. UH. And that higher 97 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: to bring in movie industry people and animators may seem 98 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: odd when you think about it, but Walt's whole idea 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: was that they were going to be telling stories in 100 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: three dimensions instead of two, and since story was always 101 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: going to be the focus, professional storytellers to him, seemed 102 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: like the exact right people for these jobs. These ideas 103 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: quickly became way too big for the eleven acre plot 104 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: of land that he initially had in mind, so the 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: focus shifted to Los Angeles. In Walt hired the Stanford 106 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: Research Institute to survey Los Angeles and the surrounding area 107 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: for a hundred acre site that would be suitable for 108 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: what he and the W E. D team had in mind. 109 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: And that's how they found Disneyland's home. It was a 110 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty acre orange an Anaheim and this location 111 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: met all of Walt's requirements. It had to be freeway accessible, 112 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: adjacent to or within Los Angeles and affordable. Yeah. And 113 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, nowadays, the Disney Company is huge. That is 114 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: so huge that it's really hard for most people and 115 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: even me to think about it ever having shallow pockets. 116 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: But at the time, it was a very different story. Uh. 117 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: You know, Walt was really struggling to figure out how 118 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: he was going to finance this huge vision of his 119 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: and to build a theme park. And it actually led 120 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: to the genesis of the television series Walt Disney's Disneyland. Uh. 121 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: That show came out of the need for funding and 122 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: Walt struck a deal with ABC in nineteen four that 123 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: he would for host for them. This hour long weekly 124 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: series which was about Disneyland and also about sort of um, 125 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, exploration of concepts in society and technology and storytelling. Uh. 126 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: And in exchange for him hosting this, ABC was funding 127 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the construction of the theme park project. And just as 128 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: a side note, ABC eventually became part of the Disney Company. 129 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: UM decades down the road, so the partnership to start 130 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: in the fifties, but went on for a long time 131 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: and now now the same thing. They're all together. So 132 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: once the funding and location were secured, construction started and 133 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: went on at a really breakneck pace. They broke ground 134 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: on July nineteen fifty four, and just a year later, 135 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: on July fifteenth, nineteen fifty five, Disneyland opened to the public. 136 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: It cost an estimated seventeen million dollars to build, which 137 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: may not it sounds like a lot, but I think 138 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: nowadays if a similar project were built, it would be 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: in the billions and billions. Yeah, that was seventeen million, 140 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five dollars, So it was a lot of money. Uh. 141 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: And opening day any account you read of it, it 142 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: sounds insane. Uh. There was so much anticipation leading up 143 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: to the opening of the park because Disney at this 144 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: point had a six sucessful animation studio. He had already 145 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: made a name for himself in terms of entertainment, uh. 146 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: And so many people were so excited at this thought 147 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: of an entire park devoted to this concepts of you know, 148 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: storytelling and animation that they were even using counterfeit tickets 149 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: to get in. The park was overcrowded way past probably 150 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: what was a smart capacity. The temperature was a problem. 151 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: They were in the middle of a heat wave in 152 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: California and it was a hundred and ten degrees Fahrenheits uh. 153 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: And on top of it being super hot, there was 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: a plumber strike going on, so not all of the 155 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: water fountains had been hooked up, so people couldn't get 156 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: a quick drink of water to help deal with the heat. UM. 157 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: And there was fresh asphalts that had been poured as 158 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: late as the night before the park open, and it 159 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: hadn't all cured properly because of the heat conditions, and 160 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: so there are stories of people's shoes sinking into the 161 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: asphalts because it had this weird rubbery texture to it, 162 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: but it was sticky even though uh. It was a 163 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: bumpy opening day and was super overcrowded, and a few 164 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: weeks after it things were still a little bit crazy, 165 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: but the problems got ironed out and things picked up, 166 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: and pretty quickly the park became really, really popular. But 167 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: if you look at a map from those first days, 168 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: you'll see that New Orleans Square, which is the area 169 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: where the hand Mansion lives, is not there. That spot 170 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: on the map the map is blank. So even though 171 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: Walt had been interested in the Haunt House from the 172 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: absolute earliest meetings with Harper Goff, it wasn't part of 173 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: the initial launch, and it wasn't long before Walt's mind 174 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: turned back to the Haunted House that had been part 175 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: of the Disneyland original plan. Yeah, what's the park did 176 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: get past those initial bumps, it really became apparent that 177 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: it was going to have to expand quickly to meet demand. Uh, 178 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: and so Walt went right back to that Haunted House idea. 179 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: In seven, Walt put a studio animator named Ken Anderson 180 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: in charge of the project. It because Ken had worked 181 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and Snow White Scary Adventures, 182 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: which are both kind of so called dark rides because 183 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: they have a lot of low light trickery and effects. 184 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: He was the natural choice to helm the haunting of 185 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: what would soon become the New Orleans Square section of 186 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: the park, and while Ken was working on research for 187 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: this project, waltz Uh went public with the news of 188 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: the expansion. He talked about all of the things they 189 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: were going to add to this new New Orleans Square area, 190 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: and he even told a BBC interviewer in that he 191 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: was building a retirement home for ghosts who may have 192 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: been displaced from their original haunts during the war. So 193 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: he was kind of trying to contextualize the concept to 194 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: um being as he was in Great Britain at the time, 195 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: and say, no, you know all the bombings and everything, 196 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: there are lots of ghosts sit down, have a place 197 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: to go. I'm building them a place to go. Just 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of silly and odd, but also rearing. Yeah, I 199 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: don't know how I would be all about that if 200 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: I were living in Britain. I don't know how I 201 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: would feel about it if I were the interviewer even right, like, wait, 202 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: you're doing what but you know, let's talk about Hogwarts again. 203 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: What if something happened to Hogwarts? Where would all those 204 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: ghosts Yeah. So, while kept detailing his plans for a 205 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: park expansion with various news outlets, including shops and restaurants 206 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: that would join the Haunted House in this newly defined 207 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: area of the park, and Ken kept looking for design inspirations. 208 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: So they knew from the outset that they wanted to 209 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: have this kind of old South Field to the area 210 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: that would become New Orleans Square. And so Anderson sought 211 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: out Louisiana plantation houses for design inspiration. Uh. You know, 212 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: they knew they wanted this antebellum look. But it turned 213 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: out that the house that really sort of provided the 214 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: most inspiration for um, the Haunted Mansion that's in Disneyland. 215 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: Other ones have different architectural styles. Uh. It was actually 216 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: a house that is on North Charles Street in Baltimore, Maryland, 217 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: called the Evergreen House. And this is a house that 218 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: had been bequeathed to John Hopkins University in two Uh, 219 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: and it really did provide the picture perfect image of 220 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: what Anderson and Disney had in mind. And the Disneyland 221 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion, there's a really strong resemblance to the Evergreen 222 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: House in all artists concept sketches for the house up 223 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 1: to the house was dilapidated and broken down with this 224 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: sort of overgrown, unkempt landscape, which is really what you 225 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: would probably expect for a haunted house. But this approach 226 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: really didn't go over well with Walt. He couldn't reconcile 227 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: having this broken down house in any kind of style 228 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: settled within the otherwise christine surroundings of Disneyland. So there's 229 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: a now famous quote which I also find so charming. 230 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: This is from Walt, and he said, we'll take care 231 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: of the outside and let the ghosts take care of 232 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: the inside. Uh So, no matter how haunted the house 233 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: was going to be, he was pretty insist stant that 234 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: I have a perfectly groomed exterior, and there was disagreement 235 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: about it. But rather than dig in on this issue 236 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: of the exterior design, Kenny Anderson just figured he would 237 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: move over and focus on interior for a while and 238 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: they would kind of table that discussion. And I'm sure 239 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: it will come as a surprise to none of our 240 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: listeners to hear that one of the major inspirations for 241 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: the Haunted Mansion was the Winchester Mystery House. Uh. Anderson 242 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: had actually toured the Winchester House in San Jose on 243 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: a weekend getaway while this issue of pristine versus ramshackle 244 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: exterior had been debated, and you know, almost immediately upon 245 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: the tour, uh, he realized that this was really what 246 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: the inside of their Haunted mansion should kind of look like, 247 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: with these ideas of rooms that don't go places and 248 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: architecture that doesn't always make sense together because as we know, 249 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: the Winchester House was built by Mrs Winchester constantly under 250 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: construction in an effort to confuse spirits that might be 251 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: angry about the Winchester family fortune coming from weapons that 252 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: had killed them. So that's an interesting house. If anybody 253 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: has not been there, I highly recommend the Winchester House. 254 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: So we have an episode on it. We do, uh, 255 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: And it is really clear if you've been to the 256 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion that there's a link there stylistically. Shall we 257 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: take a second, Yeah, let's let's talk about Hawes for 258 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: a moment while we think about confusing ghosts and talking 259 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: about our response or something that's not confusing at all. 260 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: So let's get back to the Haunted Mansion. True to 261 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: this initial concept that the theme park was going to 262 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: be a way to just tell stories in three dimensions. 263 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: The Haunted Mansion had to have a compelling story to 264 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: go in the attraction. But it took a few hits 265 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: and misses on this whole story to wind up with 266 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: what guests are familiar with today, And even the ones 267 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: that we're about to talk about are not really what 268 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: guests are familiar with today. It took a lot what 269 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: what our guests familiar with today? If people have never gone, 270 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: are we going to talk about it? Then we'll kind 271 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: of get there at the end. We won't dig too 272 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: deep into that because you know, we've got experience it. 273 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: It's super fun. Well it's but uh, but we will 274 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: talk in a bit about how things kind of ended 275 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: up having to change. So some of the discarded stories 276 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: are really fun though. So Kenna Anderson, bless him, was 277 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: just working his tail off. He first put together a 278 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: story treatment that featured It was all centered around this 279 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: sea captain named Captain Bartholome you Gore, and it was 280 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: a walkthrough tour that was led by George Butler Beauregard. 281 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: And this story centered on the captain who in some 282 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: versions and in some notes um has the name Gideon 283 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: Gorlea and then earned the nickname of Gore through his 284 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: behavior because in these he brought his bride, Priscilla to 285 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the mansion. But Priscilla was apparently a curious lass and 286 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: in this version that Anderson cooked up, her curiosity was 287 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: her undoing. She foolishly opened this chest that she found 288 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: in the attic and discovered that her beloved husband was 289 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: in flat in fact Black Bart the pirate. Uh. And 290 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: after she makes this discovery and has this revelation, she vanished. Uh. 291 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: So in some versions of the story, poor Priscilla is 292 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: bricked into the cellar by her husband, sort of cask 293 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: of a Monteado style if you've read that a Groland 294 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Poe uh short story. And in other versions that Anderson 295 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: worked on, she was either locked into a c chest 296 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: or thrown down a well. Uh. And her haunting of 297 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: the captain in this story uh in this plotline led 298 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: him to hang himself in the house's rafters. And so 299 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: all of this is part of what makes the Haunting 300 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: of the Haunted House. The second version, which was also 301 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: put together by Ken Anderson, featured this storyline that was 302 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: intended to really draw guests in by marrying the real 303 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: world with the mythology and in this version, the tour 304 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: guide would explain to guests that the Disney Company had 305 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: moved an entire plantation mansion, which was led mere manner, 306 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: to Disneylands to create an authentic centerpiece for New Orleans Square, 307 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: but trickster spirits were forever wreaking havoc on the restoration 308 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: of the house. Also featured in this tale was a 309 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: deceased construction worker who haunted the site, which was abandoned 310 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: after his untimely death. That one didn't hit either. Back 311 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: to the drawing board, and Anderson did a third approach, 312 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: and this one was really a much lighter approach to 313 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: the whole thing. It actually featured Walt Disney himself acting 314 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: as a tour guide via prerecorded tape segments, and he 315 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: was leading guests to a ghost wedding, so it was 316 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: a much simpler storyline. But that way they could incorporate 317 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: lots of ghosts without having to work up lots of 318 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: backstory for each of them, because they were all just 319 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: attendants at this wedding. His fourth story idea took its 320 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: inspiration from the ninety nine Disney animated feature The Adventures 321 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: of Ichabod and Mr Toad. The second part of the 322 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: film was an adaptation of the legend of Sleepy Hollow 323 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: and and and thought the story needed to have the 324 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: headless horseman provide sort of fertile ground for this haunted 325 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: mansion storyline. So a great deal of this treatment involved 326 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: using folly effects to create the sound of the horseman's 327 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: hoof beats following guests along their tour. I'm imagining it, 328 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: like Monty Python, would not be funny or scary, it 329 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: would be very silly. Well, that's scary and silly comes 330 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: up yes later on. So the wedding concept was also there, 331 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: and this idea and the guests were famous monsters like 332 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: Frankenstein's Monster and Dracula. The bride Mademoiselle Vampire, would get 333 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: a case of the jitters, not sure whether she wanted 334 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: to marry most of your Boogeyman, And just as the 335 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: chaos was reaching a fever pitch, a tour guide would 336 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: escort the park guests outside to safety. And this fourth 337 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: version of the story was the one that was approved 338 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: to go forward, although if you are a fan of 339 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: the attraction, you will note that that is not the 340 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: story you see on the ride. No, uh, there's a 341 00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: part of me that wishes we could go to an 342 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: alternate history and see that version, because it sounds really fun. 343 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: They're just picturing this panicky vampire bride uh and allegedly, 344 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: uh the escape was going to be through one of 345 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: the fireplaces, which could have been a potentially really cool 346 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: effects uh. Almost from the moment that Walt decided to 347 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: expand Disneyland and build the Haunted Mansion, he had designers 348 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: working on ideas for the detail elements of the attraction, 349 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: while Ken Anderson focused on the structural design. Yeah, he 350 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: had had lots of concept sketches being made throughout and 351 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: as all of these different storylines were being put together, 352 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: some of them were getting sketch treatments. But as they 353 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: were settling on this fourth storyline of the wedding uh 354 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: in nine, Walt put together what became a really famous 355 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: two man team that generated many of the effects and 356 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: moments that really make the Haunted Mansion a crowd favorite 357 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: even today. Yale Gracie was a background artist and model builder, 358 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: and Roley Crump, which is a nickname for Roland, had 359 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: been working at the studios as an in between her. 360 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: Crump had this fondness for creating kinetic sculpture, so odd 361 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: mobiles and other kind of pieces of moving art. I 362 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: love those, by the way. And the story goes that 363 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: Walt thought these two had just the right crossover of 364 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: interests to make an ideal pairing to create the illusions 365 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: that a haunted house attraction would need. And Uh, this 366 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: pair of artists spent basically all of nine hold up together. 367 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: Uh they were in on one floor of a building 368 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: just reading ghost stories. They were testing out illusions that 369 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: they were coming up with together. And when Crump talks 370 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: about it, he routinely credits Gracie as being like the 371 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: idea man, and then he would start to embellish and 372 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: expand on them, and they would refine all of this together. 373 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: So it sounded like it was. It really was a 374 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: very fruitful and pretty enjoyable pairing. I think that's clear 375 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: from the story we're about to tell. The pair became 376 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: really really well known for their fantastical exploits and um 377 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: for their prankishness. Yeah, and Jason Cerell's book about the 378 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion's history, Rolly Crump tells the story of an 379 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: incident that was created by all of this experimenting combined 380 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: with with pranking, Yale had all his ghosts and magic 381 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: strown throughout the room. Once we got a call from 382 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: personnel asking us to leave the lights on because the 383 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: janitors didn't want to come in if it was dark. Well, 384 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: we did, but we rigged the room. We put in 385 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: an infrared meme and when it was tripped, the room 386 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: went to black light and all the ghost effects came on. 387 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: When we came in the next morning, all the effects 388 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: were still running and there was a broom in the 389 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: center of the floor. Personnel called and said, you'll have 390 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: to clean your own room because the janitors won't go 391 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: in there anymore. Those rotten boys. It is so like 392 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: the pranks you would expect like a teenage kid. So 393 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: one of the interesting things, uh and historically significant things 394 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: about the work that Gracie and Crump were doing together 395 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: is that even though they were put together to create 396 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: cutting edge effects, most of the tricks that they were 397 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: employing were really really old school. They both had an 398 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: interest in magic tricks, and they used a lot of 399 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: tricks that had been part of magic shows and theatrical 400 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: sleight of hand for decades, including the illusion that is 401 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: known as Pepper's Ghost, which is from the mid eighteen hundreds, 402 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: and that's a setup where action that is taking place 403 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: in an unseen area UH that the audience can't see, 404 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: is reflected off a pane of glass that they can see, 405 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: and it creates this look of translucent, floating images that 406 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: look like ghosts. And they used that and that's still 407 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: used in the Haunted Mansion today, like a lot of 408 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: the ghosts that you see are doing the Pepper's ghost illusion. 409 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: The year that Roally Crump and Yale Gracy spent together 410 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: in ninety nine culminated in this demo show where they 411 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: displayed a presentation of a version of the whole action. 412 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: And the demo was a huge hodgepodge of tricks and ideas. 413 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: And even though they were working with Anderson's fourth story 414 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: plan involving the Ghoulish Wedding, they had brought in some 415 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: elements from the abandoned plots as well, including the Sea Captain. UH. 416 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: The Sea captain Is illusion is one that's talked about 417 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: a lot. UH. This illusion that the pair created involved 418 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: a rain soaked ghost showing up there was water, there 419 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: was a flooding effect in the room. The Captain's doomed 420 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: bride would materialize and the water would then recede and 421 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: leave only these unearthly blobs of moisture behind it. And 422 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: it is one of those super famous, often spoken of 423 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: moments that the people who witnessed it will still in 424 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: interviews kind of wax rhapsodic about it and how it 425 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: was one of the most amazing things they have ever 426 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: seen in their lives. Um, and with that, we're actually 427 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: going to cliffhang you a little bit. The Haunted Mansion 428 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: is rich, so we are taking two episodes rich and 429 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: and the moment of that we're pausing. There's kind of 430 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: its own cliffhanger. This whole thing got tabled for a 431 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: little while. Yeah, and we'll talk about how that all 432 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: came to be, uh in our next episode, which is 433 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: a follow up. But in the meantime, you have some 434 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: listener my own I do, indeed. Uh, this is a 435 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: short one, but it was so charming that I have 436 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: to read it. Uh. It comes from our listener Carissa, 437 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: which I hope I'm pronouncing correctly, and she's it's about 438 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: the Hope Diamond. She says, good afternoon, ladies. I just 439 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: finished listening to the Hope Diamond episodes. So many fun 440 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: facts in there. I saw the Hope Diamond when I 441 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: was fourteen in two thousand five, and as you mentioned 442 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: that many people are, I was a bit underwhelmed. In fact, 443 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: I remember the surrounding cases of huge, raw uncut stones 444 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: more if I have heard lots of other people say 445 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: as well. But it's the surrounding portions of that gallery 446 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: that they're really more blown away by than the Hope Diamond. However, 447 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: she says, one of my favorite memories was overhearing two 448 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: little girls behind me, I guess around age eight, admiring 449 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: the Hope Diamond and one saying to the other, that 450 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: must have cost a hundred, no a thousand dollars. Thanks 451 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: for the continuous flow of learning material. I think that's 452 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: so charming. Yeah, I love that kids. You know, I 453 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: have no sense of money or value. They would think 454 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: that the Haunted Mansion costs two thousand dollars to build. 455 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I think it probably cost that 456 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: much just to run them a day to day basis 457 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: minimum power. Uh. But yeah, We're going to come back 458 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: to the the Hanted Mansion um in our next episode, 459 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: and we will finish the story which continues to take 460 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: some wild turns. 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If you would like 470 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: to learn more about what we talked about today, and 471 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: particularly right here at the end of the episode, you 472 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: can go to our website and type in the words 473 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Pepper's Ghost and you get an article called how do 474 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: they make those projections of dead celebrities and politicians? Because 475 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: they also use Pepper's Ghost, it's just a little more 476 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: technologically tweaked. Yeah, which is pretty cool. 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