1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Stephen Carol and 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: this is Here's Why, where we take one news story 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: and explain it in just a few minutes with our 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: experts here at Bloomberg. In twenty twenty two, an unprecedented 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: energy crisis caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine left Europe 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: with a bill worth over a trillion dollars. For in 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: the middle of an energy crisis is not just oil markets, 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: but gas market, electricity market. The lesson is you've got 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: to be energy independent. Don't put yourself in the hands 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: of the dictator who's prepared to weaponize your provision of energy. 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: Government's picked up much of that cost, and for a 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: time at least it felt like the worst had passed. 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: This oil price cup will help reduce Russia's revenues on 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: one hand, and it will keep the global market for 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: energy stable. 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: On the other hand, there is a need to as 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: as possible cut the link between the price of gas 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: and the price of decabonated pinage. 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: This year, by mid August, the European Union had filled 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: ninety percent of its gas storage capacity preparing for the 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: winter season. But for some even that might not be enough. 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: So here's why Europe is worrying about the winter again. 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: Joining us now is our senior energy reporter, Stephen Stapchinsky. Stephen, 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: first of all, can you remind us how important our 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: gas supplies to Europe's energy mix? 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: I mean, gas plays a key role in Europe's economy. 27 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: It made up about fifteen percent of power generation last 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: year and it's expected to play a larger role as 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: dirtier coal plants are shut You know, they're not only 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: is it needed for power generation, it's needed for industries 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: and then during winter it's needed for heating. So gas 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: has played a key role in before the war in Ukraine, 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: Russia was a major supplier via pipeline of some pretty 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: affordable guest in. Their whole economy was kind of built 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: around that. 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: So we're over two years now on from the start 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: of Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine. How have European 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: countries reorganized their supplies in that time? 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: So there's the supply side and the demand side, right, 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: So supply there has been a rapid rollout of renewables, 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: been a big push to add more solar and win 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: to the grid. There's a push to also increase offshore 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: wind that has had some kurdles, and there's also been 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: a push in most places except for Germany to also 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 3: look at, you know, how can they expand nuclear power. 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: On the demand side, consumers have really cut back consumption. 47 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: They're they're better at conserving energy, and that includes households 48 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: and businesses, but also industries. There is something called demand 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: destruction where gas was just too expensive for industries that 50 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 3: depended on it, like fertilizer and other kinds of businesses 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 3: that depend on gas as a feedstock. So they've essentially 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: just shut down and gone to other places. So when 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 3: you look at European gas demand, actually it has has 54 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: dropped over the last few years compared to when they 55 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: were getting that cheaper Russian pipeline gas. Now they've turned 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: significantly more to liquefied natural gas. Gas can be delivered 57 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: either via pipeline from Russia or via liquified natural gas 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: via ship. Some of that comes from Russia, but a 59 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: large portion of it actually comes from the United States, 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: and Germany built floating LNG import terminals and other countries 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: are boosting imports of LNG to replace the Russian pipeline gas. 62 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: The one thing though, is LLERG is just more expensive 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: than the pipeline supplies. 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: So this year the stockpiles are nearly full already. Why 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: the concern. 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: So that's the thing. Just because European stockpiles are full, 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that they won't necessarily run out of gas. 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: Let me explain why the stockpiles will help Europe get 69 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: through a mild or normal winter if they're one hundred 70 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: percent full. We've seen that in the last two winters. 71 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: Actually they've been relatively mild, with just small short spates 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: of cold periods. Certain now falls as to what if 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: we have a really cold winter. Not only will that 74 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: drain stockpiles in some places, but if it's also cold 75 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: in other Northern Hemisphere places like North Asia, home to 76 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: the world's biggest LNG importers, Suddenly you're draining your inventories 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: very quickly. And then on top of that, you're not 78 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 3: able to get those LNG shipments because LNG shipments go 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: to where folks are paying the highest and if China, Japan, 80 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: Korea want that LENG, they can pay more than Europe 81 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: to get it. So that causes a problem for Europe, 82 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: essentially leading to a sort of a price competition between 83 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 3: the Pacific at the Atlantic, increasing prices and risking potentially 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: worst case scenario curtailment for some customers. 85 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: Today, though prices are still way way below where they 86 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: were in twenty twenty two, what could trigger a spike? 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, first that first bit, prices are way below 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 3: where we were at the record levels in twenty twenty two, 89 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: But I have to also show that prices are higher 90 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 3: than the ten years before twenty twenty two. So prices 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: on average are higher than before the war in Ukraine, 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: even though they're not as high as record high levels 93 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: from twenty twenty two. Now, the global gas market is 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: still in a bit of a careful balance. So things 95 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: that could trigger a spike. If there is a hurricane 96 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: Atlantic and it disrupts LNG exports from a US facility 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: from the US golf, that could cause a spike. Any 98 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: sort of disruption to supply. If it's cold, as I 99 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: mentioned before, that could also cause a spike. If there 100 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 3: are any more issues with key choke points. You know 101 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: you have the Sewis Canal is not being used for 102 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: LNG trade. If that leads to more disruption to other 103 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: parts of global trade, routes that could also lead to 104 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: price spikes. Likewise, if there's any disruption to supply in 105 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: the European region, especially Norway which is essentially the largest 106 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: supplier of gas to Europe, if there is a extended 107 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: maintenance during their maintenance period, if they're unable to deliver 108 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: the gas that they promise, that could also lead to 109 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: a spike. That is to say, the two big things, 110 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: disruptions and weather are going to be the things that 111 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: could affect prices going forward. 112 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: Here that makes supplies alsound quite vulnerable. Is Europe any 113 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: closer to long term solutions to try and address thus. 114 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: Now, the good thing is that wind and solar generation, 115 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: as mentioned before, has been rising really rapidly. It hit 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: a record twenty seven percent for the EU power mix 117 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, and it's continuing to rise. But 118 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: the other goals, which is, you know, implement hydrogen supply 119 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: chain green hydrogen. Also, dependence on coal means that gas 120 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: is going to be needed more and it's just not 121 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: there at the moment. At the same time, different efforts 122 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: to increase nuclear power generation is going to take years. 123 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: It's not easy to put on a nuclear power plant 124 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: and offshore wind has had a few hurdles, so that 125 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: is to say European policy is in the right direction 126 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: and wind and solar has definitely been deployed at a 127 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 3: faster rate, but there's still more to be done before 128 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 3: Europe can really reduce their dependence on gas and reduce 129 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: this vulnerability. 130 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Steven Stoptinski, our senior energy reporter, Thank you for more 131 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: Xnations like this from our team of twenty seven hundred 132 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: journalists and analysts around the world. 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