WEBVTT - Celebrity Doppelganger

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>On the show today is Mark Wahlberg. So I know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're thinking, and I'm just going to say right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know this might cost me listeners, It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that Mark Wahlberg. And when I say Mark Wahlberg, immediately

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<v Speaker 1>think obviously of them make a movie star. But you

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<v Speaker 1>also may think, wait, is that the guy that does

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<v Speaker 1>Temptation Island Antique road Show? And the funny thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, yes, that is the Mark Wahlberg I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. He does Temptation Island, his game shows, and

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<v Speaker 1>he did Antique road Show. The reason I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>bring Mark on is he and I have had this

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<v Speaker 1>crazy past that is, Chris crossed each other. We both

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hit the scene hosting about the same time

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineties early two thousands in Hollywood, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was there a little bit before me, working with

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Clark Productions. But I came in and started doing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff for Game Show Network. He was doing stuff for

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<v Speaker 1>Game Show Network. There was this group of us that

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<v Speaker 1>we're all grinding, and we get called into auditions at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. So we all knew each other, we

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<v Speaker 1>were all friendly, and we all kind of respected each

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<v Speaker 1>other lifted each other up because it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>grind and a tumultuous time of trying to get our

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<v Speaker 1>footing and get a hold in this business, and we

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<v Speaker 1>all did. Mark has gone on to do incredible things.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's funny to this day, I will get asked

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<v Speaker 1>about doing Antique Roadshow and if I love that show

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<v Speaker 1>or did I enjoy Temptation Island. I have to say people, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not Mark Wahlberg. That's I hosted The Bachelor, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know that he has gotten the same thing for

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<v Speaker 1>so many years about hosting The Bachelor or all you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my Home and Garden show. So I wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Wahlberg on, first of all, to say we are

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<v Speaker 1>two different people, but also to catch up because he

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<v Speaker 1>is an amazing guy. He has a beautiful family, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has such great perspective on this business where we

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<v Speaker 1>came from, but also where this business is going. So

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<v Speaker 1>today a conversation with Mark Wahlberg, No, not that one.

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<v Speaker 1>And he joins me now on the most dramatic podcast

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<v Speaker 1>ever market's so good to see my friend. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It has been a long time. Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you in La?

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<v Speaker 2>I am his Iam in beautiful Sonny Sherman Oaks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a beautiful, rainy Austin, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you an LA guy?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've I've lived here longer than most people

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<v Speaker 2>have been alive. But I'm from South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're born and raised South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>Born in Georgia, but raised in South Carolina. And when

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<v Speaker 2>did you cop around a little bit through the South?

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<v Speaker 2>I live in Alabama little bit and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But when did you come to La?

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<v Speaker 2>I came to La. I left home between my freshman

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<v Speaker 2>sophomore year colleg and I went on the road a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. I was in northern Michigan and on the

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<v Speaker 2>road that ended up coming out to Los Angeles. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I take a gap year and I'm still waiting to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to college.

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<v Speaker 1>How's that working out for you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty good. I just got to get a tuition together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Hey, And by the way, the longer you wait,

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<v Speaker 1>the more expensive it gets, as we both know, with

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<v Speaker 1>two kids, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not eligible for any scholarship, either academic or sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, man. Some of these punters now are

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty five years old, the punters and kickers, these

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<v Speaker 1>Australian kids are coming over. I'm like they may have

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<v Speaker 1>it all figured out, like the midlife crisis is now

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<v Speaker 1>going to be going back to school. Yeah, where were

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<v Speaker 1>you in college?

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Francis Marion College which is now Francis

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<v Speaker 2>Marion University. It was outside of my hometown. I was

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<v Speaker 2>really all at the time I could afford to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And wow, you went to a smaller school than I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Oklahoma City University again, same thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a soccer scholarship. It's what my family could afford.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's so clearly Mark and I prove how

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<v Speaker 1>important it is that you go to a really big

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<v Speaker 1>name school to make it in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I always tell people, I went to several

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<v Speaker 2>weeks of college, pretty much checked all the boxes and

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<v Speaker 2>figured I'd take it from there.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said in the intro, one of the many

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<v Speaker 1>reasons I wanted to have you on is if there

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody that I get mistaken for and have been

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<v Speaker 1>mistaken for throughout my career. It's Mark Wahlberg.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I was thinking about this this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>that the only time we've actually kind of worked together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you remember this. He was the

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<v Speaker 2>red carpet for E for the Golden Globes and I

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<v Speaker 2>was up in the balcony doing something. You were on

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<v Speaker 2>the red carpet. I had to throw to you or

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<v Speaker 2>you through to me. I can't remember if I set

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<v Speaker 2>or you said it, but something the effect of and

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<v Speaker 2>to prove that we're not the same person on our

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<v Speaker 2>throw to Chris Harrison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did it. I told the producers I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I want a two box of Mark and I because

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<v Speaker 1>for once and for all, we need to show that

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<v Speaker 1>we are two different human beings. It was really funny that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I first came to LA there was

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<v Speaker 1>like a group of like four or five of us.

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<v Speaker 1>It was you, There was a guy named Brian Blakeley,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you remember him, Todd Newton was was bopping around,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there was like a group of us that

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<v Speaker 1>these casting directors would always call because we would always

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<v Speaker 1>give great auditions and we all ended up getting work.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a really talented group of people, and I

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed watching you get gigs at Game Show Network. I

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<v Speaker 1>got one at Game Show Network. We did our Home

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<v Speaker 1>and Garden show. You were doing antique road show, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it was funny to watch all of us kind

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<v Speaker 1>of find our niche and do that. We all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of came out. It was late nineties, early two thousands

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<v Speaker 1>when we all kind of broke in.

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<v Speaker 2>About that time. That was a but that was when,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being a TV host as a as a

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<v Speaker 2>profession was a thing and now as much a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it definitely has evolved and changed. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>group of us that, you know, it's like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what we wanted to do. You know. My background was

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<v Speaker 1>local news and I was like, I am a host.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I want to do is host TV. And

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<v Speaker 1>you were kind of the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that's not entirely true. Mine was I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to do anything else. I was working

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<v Speaker 2>in production. Yeah, my whole career was by default. I

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<v Speaker 2>got engaged and then married to my wife, who was

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<v Speaker 2>at the time an actress, and then I thought maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I wanted to do. And then walking down

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<v Speaker 2>the aisle, I said, one of us has to get

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<v Speaker 2>a job. So I got a job at Dick Clark

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<v Speaker 2>Productions as a PA. And my whole thing was to

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<v Speaker 2>get out and figure out a way to make a living. Cause,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I didn't have a degree or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just by happenstance. I ended up posting stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm like, well, this is a lot easier

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<v Speaker 2>than lifting or you know, thinking, so I'll do this.

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<v Speaker 1>What was what bridge that gap?

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<v Speaker 2>A warm up guy didn't show up one day and

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<v Speaker 2>Dick Clark said, get the funny kid from upstairs, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it started. You started to tell that was.

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<v Speaker 2>The left turn. And then you know, people started saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, can you call and stay for work and

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<v Speaker 2>come do warm up for me? And then I think

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<v Speaker 2>I got a job. Somebody wanted me to do warm

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<v Speaker 2>up and when I showed up, they said, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a budget for warm up and we need an announcer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, well, I know how to read.

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<v Speaker 1>It was there's three weeks of college that prepared me

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<v Speaker 1>for this.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you went on what was kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>first big gig was it was a GSN good game show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, N was after I had already i think, lost

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<v Speaker 2>my career and gotten it back already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the first show I hosted was like eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>No ninety I'm looking at my wife. It was ninety

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<v Speaker 2>two because my wife was pregnant with our first So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the first time I was on camera. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I did Shop Do You Drop as a sidekick sort

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<v Speaker 2>of announcer on camera for that, and then a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of At the time, and I tell people this, at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, you could do like four different cable networks

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<v Speaker 2>and still not make a living. So I was like

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<v Speaker 2>on camera with like four different shows on different networks,

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<v Speaker 2>but still having to do warm up to make a living.

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<v Speaker 1>When I came out here in ninety nine, I did

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<v Speaker 1>a game I had TVG the Horse Racing Network. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a Designers Challenge on HGTV, and then I had

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<v Speaker 1>done seasons one and two of The Bachelor. I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing all three at the same time, and people were like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing. You're hosting the biggest show on

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<v Speaker 1>network TV. You got to be worth millions and millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars. I said, I'm worth so much that I

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<v Speaker 1>have three jobs right now. I said.

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<v Speaker 2>That was when I did Temptation Island. Originally I'm Fox

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody and I was, and I always tell a

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<v Speaker 2>story that was like it aired on a Wednesday night,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and Thursday morning I was famous. Like people

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<v Speaker 2>were coming up to me. And what they didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>is we did six episodes, and I think I made

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five hundred dollars an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the season I crushed you. My first

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<v Speaker 1>season of The Bachelor twelve five, that's what I was making.

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<v Speaker 1>And again we did the same thing. It was six

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<v Speaker 1>one hour episodes. And so I'm like, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have thirty million viewers, people think, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>because that many people are watching, you must be worth

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of millions of dollars now. And I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>worth thousands of dollars still, and I have two other gigs.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to go to Home and Garden Network

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what's actually paying my rent. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get big until later when the show you

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<v Speaker 1>know you can renegotiate and get your gig. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're one in the NFL. You're making minimum.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way I've read about that concept of that

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<v Speaker 2>you renegotiate and get more money must be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good. So I guess the biggest question is

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<v Speaker 1>what's the worst lot in life for you? Being named

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Wahlberg or being mistaken from time to time for

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've now put that into almost every Like if

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<v Speaker 2>I give a keynote or something, I mean I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, know your worth and know your truth,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I look like Chris Harrison and everybody thinks

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<v Speaker 2>it's the other Mark Wahlberg. So I have an identity crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as I walk on State. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>older I get, the less like you I look. So

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<v Speaker 2>that helps.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but people the but it was, I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>was so funny. It was really uncanny. No early on

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<v Speaker 1>people would be like, you know, we get stopped by

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<v Speaker 1>the paparazzi or whoever, and they're like, so, like, do

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoy Antique Road Show? And I'm like, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I watch it from time to time. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what about Temptation Island? I said, yeah, no, I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>that too. I don't host either of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. People ask me who's going to get a rose

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<v Speaker 2>next week? And I'm like, you know, I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think if I had my brothers, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Mark Wahlberg Mark Wahlberg thing is is probably more

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<v Speaker 2>of a daily part of my life. And I talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that when people come up to you and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Temptation Island. I was doing Antiques Road Show

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<v Speaker 2>and this was years ago, like before social media was

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. But I got off the plane and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming down to the luggage and there are these

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<v Speaker 2>two guys just so psyched to see me, and they

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<v Speaker 2>recognize me. They so they know it's me and they

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<v Speaker 2>know it's Antique road show, right, So they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Walber and mister Walberg over here. And I'm like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up? You know, could you you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do you mind do this? And we love you on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, and like clearly know that's me having a conversation, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And then they say do you mind signing a picture?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, not a problem, and they ad me a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of Mark Walberg. Act Oh my god, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know, yeah, are we not in the same

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<v Speaker 2>room right now?

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, man, you've really let your abs go. Like

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<v Speaker 1>this guy used to do the Calvin Klein commercials man.

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<v Speaker 1>But so how many times have you have you gone

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<v Speaker 1>into a restaurant and you just see the hostess just oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Glaze over. Well, my fear of that is so great

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<v Speaker 2>that any family member, immediate and extended knows that if

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<v Speaker 2>they make any reservation, they make it very clear which

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Welber they're getting. I said, please don't make me

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<v Speaker 2>walk in and have they go, oh, because we have.

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<v Speaker 1>A different table.

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<v Speaker 2>Like charity events that I've been invited to, and I

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<v Speaker 2>show up to the event, They're like yeah, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's like awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my producers brought this up, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know if this is true, but it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>worst idea in the world. When I left The Bachelor

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<v Speaker 1>bachs Arette, someone said, the thought was call you call

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Wahlberg because he looks the most like Chris Harrison.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be the least jarring. Was that a thing? Did

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<v Speaker 1>someone did? Was that a rumor? Or did anyone reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you go into the Reddit world and

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, you know, first of all, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>very blurry line between you and me and any other

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<v Speaker 2>host on TV from a viewers. I realize now how

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<v Speaker 2>how much in soft focused the viewers often view yes,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that made perfect sense to some people.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of you know, who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take Chris's place, you'd be great, blah blah blah blah

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<v Speaker 2>bl and my answer was, you know, I got my gig,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got his gig, and all is going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I got some of that, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>of that you know traffic, but it wasn't significant enough

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<v Speaker 2>that it was really made it on the meter.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you still doing prices right live?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing prices right live. Todd Newton's out on

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<v Speaker 2>the road.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like his gig, Todd Newton. Tod Newton's still doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Yeah, he's still doing it. As a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, he's married to who was our prize

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<v Speaker 2>model for all those years, and so they got married.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really kind of a love story. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That is amazing talk about Yeah, things that happened on

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<v Speaker 1>the road.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I did Prices right Live, I was always

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<v Speaker 2>filling in for Todd, so I'd go for like ten days,

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks. Yeah, and I get my fixed and get out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm going to lead next Tuesday and do Wheel

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<v Speaker 2>of Fortune live.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of stage version of Wheel of Fortune. And

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<v Speaker 2>for me it's like summer camp. You know, I go

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<v Speaker 2>for maybe ten days. This time, I'm going a little

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<v Speaker 2>longer than that. But it's bussing truck, so I'm sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>on the bus. I always say it's good rock and

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<v Speaker 2>roll fantasy. But the groupies are, you know, a little older.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like Hasselhoff now you know he's not getting

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<v Speaker 1>the But so just to fill people in on what

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<v Speaker 1>this is, so many many years ago, these casinos started

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<v Speaker 1>Prices right live and it was like a ninety minute show.

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<v Speaker 1>We did it in Vegas, we did it at all

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<v Speaker 1>the casinos around And the funny thing is, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you were in on this, and I know Todd

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<v Speaker 1>Newton was as well. Was this was kind of as

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Barker was leading Prices right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on stage that night he retired.

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<v Speaker 1>So people, we all of us were kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>the mix. They had talked to us all. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>they talked to you about that job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a whole story behind that. But yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know they then they they talked to

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<v Speaker 1>me about it as well, and I know they talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Todd Newton, and Todd was really excited about the possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>And so here's what this is the beauty of Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that they lied to us, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>we were all good legit hosts and we all had

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<v Speaker 1>a shot. But they also needed something. They needed really

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<v Speaker 1>good hosts to go out and host these prices right

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<v Speaker 1>live shows. So what you would do is you would

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<v Speaker 1>go to a casino like Todd's doing or Mark's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you host this ninety minute show. It was I

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<v Speaker 1>did it at Bally's in Las Vegas. You would go

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<v Speaker 1>in and do ninety minutes. These casino people will come

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<v Speaker 1>in and they barely pay attention. Then they go back

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<v Speaker 1>on the casino floor and we would stay there for

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<v Speaker 1>weeks at a time. And I did it. And what's

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<v Speaker 1>the other the biggest the smallest, biggest city in the

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<v Speaker 1>world in the Valveice And yeah, and so I did

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<v Speaker 1>it there, and I did it in this Chumash casino

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in San Diego.

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<v Speaker 2>That's changed since back then I mean that was the

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<v Speaker 2>birth of it. It's now a buzz and truck playing theater,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a lot more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's got to be a blast then, because if

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<v Speaker 1>people want to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Plongs of people around the block. It's like a rock concert.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's much better than when it was at

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<v Speaker 2>Bally's and we were kind of grinding it out at

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<v Speaker 2>four in the afternoon. I just really went to do

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<v Speaker 2>it so I could play poker. That was the only

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<v Speaker 2>reason I did it back in those days. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>go because it's it's like improv, it's like an event,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's fun. But you know what's interesting is back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day when they were trying to get us

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<v Speaker 2>all host prices right off the bat, they would say

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of an audition for when Bob retires exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I were saying to Todd, that's not it at all, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's never going down like that. If you are investing

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<v Speaker 2>in the possibility of being the host of the price

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<v Speaker 2>is right by doing this You're so.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's not how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it for your own reasons, but that is not

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<v Speaker 2>how this is going down.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I wanted I forgot the name of the executive producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Felcher. Yes, so Andy came. I hosted for two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and he came for the last two days, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, we did the whole dinner thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he actually had me to the Prices Right show

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<v Speaker 1>where I met Bob Barker and was talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>is so weird, Like you said, this is how this works.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I show up and I'm talking to like Bob

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<v Speaker 1>had to be thinking, who is this punk ass kid

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<v Speaker 1>who wants my job? Who's at my job right now?

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<v Speaker 1>It was so weird the way it was forced. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course as soon as Bob retired and the talks

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<v Speaker 1>really started, it was okay, let's find a big name.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was every big name and the entire well, actually

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<v Speaker 2>that's not entirely true either. Do you know what the

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<v Speaker 2>real story there? No, And I don't want to like

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<v Speaker 2>spill too much tea, but it is the most dramatic

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<v Speaker 2>podcast everly. This will be good for three game show nerds,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll give them this, and two of them are

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<v Speaker 2>right here. It was originally going to be Dave Price,

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<v Speaker 2>the weatherman from CBS This Morning. Really, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>done deal and so the behind the scenes goes that

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<v Speaker 2>the show was going on in Vegas, the live show.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on stage, he retired. I get this message

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<v Speaker 2>from Fremantle, send me your tape. You know this is

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<v Speaker 2>in play whatever, and then it got and then it

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<v Speaker 2>realized that Les Moonvest had picked Dave Price to be

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<v Speaker 2>the guy. No audition, that's what's up. Wow. They get

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<v Speaker 2>a call like a week later saying our host is

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<v Speaker 2>sick in Vegas. Can you get here? So they fly

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<v Speaker 2>me out like Monday night to do the show only

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday and Wednesday, and I do it. But the truth

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<v Speaker 2>was nobody was sick. Dave Price had been flown in

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<v Speaker 2>to do the show but was having trouble doing the

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<v Speaker 2>live show as a rehearsal, so they can tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm doing the show and he's in the booth

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<v Speaker 2>watching me to get notes. And then what happened was

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<v Speaker 2>the way I heard is that he ends up doing

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<v Speaker 2>a couple shows on set with the actual tests screen

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<v Speaker 2>tests at CBS, and when that didn't go well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when Less acquiesced to the other powers that be. I

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<v Speaker 2>always say, it's like the mob. It was like five

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<v Speaker 2>heads a five fan making this decision and that's when

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<v Speaker 2>the floodgates open, and everybody was Anybody got an audition

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<v Speaker 2>except for us, exactly until the very very end when

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<v Speaker 2>I got an audition, and then I get this call saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you got the gig. It's you got it. You killed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody agrees, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The, by the way, the worst call you can get

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<v Speaker 1>in this business. I know people think that's a good call,

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<v Speaker 1>it's horrible. As soon as someone says you're a shoe in,

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<v Speaker 1>you're never getting the job.

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<v Speaker 2>All the people have decided you're gonna test next week,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got the gig as yours to lose. I'm like, awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But then what they didn't realize is that less Moon

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<v Speaker 2>Best was in the office with Drew Carrey, the only

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<v Speaker 2>guy who did an audition for the new deal, just

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<v Speaker 2>making the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>That is exactly you know this. It is such a

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre business we're in. And I was in the mix

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<v Speaker 1>of that too, and The Bachelor had just started, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, maybe I almost have enough leverage to

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<v Speaker 1>actually be in the mix, but clearly did not. And

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, you hear rumors of Oh Wahlberg's going

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<v Speaker 1>in or Todd Newton thinks he's in and everybody's hearing

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<v Speaker 1>something from their agent, and like you said, it all

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to Les Moonvez wakes up and decides this,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how it goes. And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Carey comes out. We're like, wait, what Drew Carrey.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the last name mentioned. And I went through

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<v Speaker 1>something very similar for Howie Mandel's gig on.

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<v Speaker 2>Deal or no deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It was when it went syndication, So how he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing it killing it, and the syndication deal was going

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to do the syndication or maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>were just in negotiations or whatever. So I got used

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<v Speaker 1>and I got brought in to audition publicly. They had

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<v Speaker 1>all the suitcase girls. Maybe Megan Markle was there. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know, but they did it very publicly on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I did the audition and all that, the producers are

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<v Speaker 1>there and I'm like, this is weird. And the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing was they wanted to make a very public bring

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison in from The Bachelor so he can audition

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<v Speaker 1>only so the message would get back to how we.

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<v Speaker 1>Then how we literally later that day or that week,

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<v Speaker 1>signed the deal. I'm doing this syndication. No one's taken

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<v Speaker 1>my gig.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know if people outside of our business.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this occurs in other businesses, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know people outside our business realize how nasty it can be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've had that's a similar story where I

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<v Speaker 2>had a producer called me at home on a Sunday going,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing this pilot and we didn't make a deal

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<v Speaker 2>for our host and we want you would you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I say sure, it said great, we'll call your agent,

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<v Speaker 2>only to learn that that was just to get the

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<v Speaker 2>other guy to sign.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's just let guy the.

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<v Speaker 2>Pie, you know, And so the bait and switch.

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<v Speaker 1>And it happens a lot. I mean, and you had

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know if you remember that guy

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Blakely, who was a friend of ours who was

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<v Speaker 1>around auditioning at the time. He did this dating show

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<v Speaker 1>very early on. It was a daytime show on a

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<v Speaker 1>cruise ship, and we all started getting calls. He shot it,

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<v Speaker 1>they had already produced it. He was in the edit

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<v Speaker 1>bay and we all started getting calls agents and hosts

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<v Speaker 1>to come audition for his job. And so I called him.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, dude, I'm just telling you, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with that job you think you have

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<v Speaker 1>and when. So when I got The Bachelor and we

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<v Speaker 1>shot our six episodes, I didn't tell I went home

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas. I didn't tell anybody I got the gig,

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<v Speaker 1>I had this great network job and all this. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say a word because I assumed until I see

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<v Speaker 1>myself on TV on Monday night, I assume that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have this job. It can go away.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'll tell you something. Man, the business

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been married thirty six years. So sadly my

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<v Speaker 2>wife hitched her her wagon to this roller coaster. Fortunate

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<v Speaker 2>for me, but rugher for her. But she's from show business,

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<v Speaker 2>so she gets it and that I wouldn't have survived.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're gonna like turn the corner here, is

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<v Speaker 2>that this because of the things you're talking about, the

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<v Speaker 2>toxic way that our business goes down, has forced me

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<v Speaker 2>to find value in things that actually matter instead of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do I have a job today or not

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<v Speaker 2>because that's temporary.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's funny you say that. You know, people have

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<v Speaker 1>asked me about when The Bachelor went crazy for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years and it's like, how do you keep perspective? And

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<v Speaker 1>you've always seem so grounded, I said, because it can

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<v Speaker 1>all go away tomorrow. And I know that, and I've

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.639
<v Speaker 1>I dug in the trenches and fought all the toxic battles.

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<v Speaker 1>You realize how false that narrative is and how fake

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<v Speaker 1>that world is. So you you love your your wife,

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<v Speaker 1>you love your kids. You that is what matters. And

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<v Speaker 1>you've been married to Robbie for forty five forty five

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<v Speaker 1>years thirty six.

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<v Speaker 2>But a show business that's like one hundred, It totally is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Jojo Siua, host of the new podcast Jojo Seawa. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>It's time to get real, up close and personal. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be talking to you like I'm writing in a journal.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna get all of the tea and all of

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<v Speaker 3>the scoop. I'm also gonna be talking to my friends,

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<v Speaker 3>to people I admire, to people that are drending right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're gonna get like Jojo Seawa now and like

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<v Speaker 3>now what's going on in the world. It's gonna be great,

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<v Speaker 3>and I really hope you like it. You can listen

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<v Speaker 3>to Jojesesima Now on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or

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<v Speaker 3>wherever you listen to podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>You have two kids, two d boy and a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Son's a Navy pilot. Daughter's a retired professional ballerina.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your daughter was a premium ballerina. And it's scary

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<v Speaker 1>to me she's already retired.

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<v Speaker 2>Well she did. You know, First of all, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>being a football player, so you don't get that many years.

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<v Speaker 2>But she danced at Kansas City Ballet for many years,

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<v Speaker 2>and then during the pandemic, she left Kansas City, moved

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<v Speaker 2>to Boston for personal reasons, and then was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>being courted by Boston Ballet and then pandemic hit and

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<v Speaker 2>then she's like, why am I, you know, busting my

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<v Speaker 2>ass every day to do something I love, but get

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<v Speaker 2>no money and I'm not sure I'm happy. So now

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<v Speaker 2>she's teaching and she's a social media director and she's

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:57.399
<v Speaker 2>making a lot more money. She's a lot happier. And

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<v Speaker 2>then my son is getting out of the navy. But

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<v Speaker 2>he flu as a Navy pilot berg you know, ten

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<v Speaker 2>years or so, and so he's moving to his next chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>That is your son, Morgan, Yeah, Morgan. So yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>A frost star. I think if I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's that you have a big I do. Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 1>son plays them. Both. My kids are at TCU. I

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<v Speaker 1>got a senior he's about to graduate, so they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>probably a little younger Josh my son Josh twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>daughters nineteen. You know, they're both going through college. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of still in it. Yeah, but I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it's that empty nest, but not quite fully

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<v Speaker 1>empty nest yet.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not only empty nest, but I've gone

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<v Speaker 2>to the level where like it shifted. So like when

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<v Speaker 2>we're all hanging out together and I drive home, they're

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<v Speaker 2>texting me to make sure I got homesick that chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, So what's your son? So Morgan was a Navy pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>which is awesome, by the way, And what's he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take that into the private sector soon?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, he's and leave the navy. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>like he says, I'll probably still fly, but I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>fly for fun, not for money. Yeah, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to do the commercial thing. He's he and

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, he got married a year ago. They've done

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well. They've got some real estate, they've got some plans,

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<v Speaker 2>they got stuff they want. Wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that wild? Like your boys? Like, it's how has

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<v Speaker 1>that affected your life? Kids are grown, they're clearly successful.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need you anymore per se, How did that

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<v Speaker 1>affect you and Robbie in your life? And like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of having to rEFInd yourselves and your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's interesting to hear you say that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's been amazing. I think when my son, my oldest,

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<v Speaker 2>went to college his first year, I I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do with myself if I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>sit on the bench and watch him play baseball and

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<v Speaker 2>then head over the ballet class to watch my daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's my identity? Right? I have none? Even though

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on TV and I have all that, that doesn't matter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really you know, if he hit a home run,

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<v Speaker 2>then I hit a home run, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's one of the things I always appreciated about

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<v Speaker 1>you and why we always connected as like this guy

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<v Speaker 1>defines himself by being a good father, a good husband,

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<v Speaker 1>a loving guy, a good friend, and so I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I lived and died horribly.

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<v Speaker 2>Horribly you know, emotionally sick to be defined by your

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.680
<v Speaker 2>son's home run. Yes, so then and my daughter left

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<v Speaker 2>after high school, she went straight to she had a

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>scholarship the Watchington School Ballet. She left. So we were

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<v Speaker 2>really empty nesters at this point in our lives. My

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>wife's in my life. It's more wonderful than it isn't. Yeah,

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>our relationship with the kids has shifted into such a

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 2>different place. They're both really living that chapter of their lives,

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<v Speaker 2>that first year years of adulthood. And we I always say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, parenting is like like you started your own

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<v Speaker 2>business in your garage and you were making the soup,

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<v Speaker 2>selling it, marketing and everything, and then later you became

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a management position, and then later you were

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<v Speaker 2>like out of the board. Now I'm my board emeritis.

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't have a boat. There's a picture

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<v Speaker 2>me on the wall, but I'm really not part of

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 2>the corporation anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Every now and that, I get to drive by the

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<v Speaker 1>building and you go in and people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an appreciate about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a really beautiful time. I'm really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I talk to people about parenting, you know the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that I keep in touch my kids, check in

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<v Speaker 2>probably every day with us, and that I think is

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest measurement of parenting is not how are they doing,

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<v Speaker 2>but how much are they communicating? And so, yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>having a good time. You know, we've gotten through some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>My son has had some stuff, my daughter's I've had stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We all had stuff. Like like message happens on the

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<v Speaker 2>other end of it. It's you know what I keep

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>telling people young parents is you know, when you're a

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.719
<v Speaker 2>young parent, you're like giving this advice and teaching all

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 2>the lessons you think matter. You don't really know them,

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>but you're saying them, yes, right, but they think you

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<v Speaker 2>know them. My point, they start living the lessons you

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 2>taught them, and then you're like, oh, that's like legit. Yeah,

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't know you were kind of bullshitting when

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 2>you were a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making this stuff up, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I think the apprentice has become the master,

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and I think I'm the student now and there they're

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<v Speaker 2>advising me.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously there's a lot of pride in that. And

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you see your kids growing and I'm sure it's been

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<v Speaker 1>interesting too because I'm going through this now. You're kind

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>of four steps probably a little further in watching your

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>relationship evolve because it's got to evolve into something else.

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, you know, I'm not driving them to

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 1>practice anymore. I'm not imparting all that much wisdom anymore.

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I do advise them a little bit because they are

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<v Speaker 1>taking that next step into being adults. But still it's

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>it's evolving and I can feel it. And I'm sure

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you are on the other side where they're just really

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>good friends now and you are you enjoy your time

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 1>with them as humans most.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the time. But I also make the joke when

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>they come home, I'm like, you know, your kids coming

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>home is like going to Vegas a week. Sounds like

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>a good idea, but after like three days, you're broken,

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>hung over. It's so But the truth is, when you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it, like your advisory role as a parent,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I talk about and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I try to do is realize now that

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>my advisory role is only when asked, because they're figuring

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>it out and they're doing better than I did at

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 2>their age. So that was my wife in the background saying,

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>not me, she's the queen of unsolicited advice.

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's their job too, And the bully pulpit.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll definitely hammer you until you do what she says.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I let you go. If you mentioned something really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting at the beginning any of this we got in

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<v Speaker 1>at kind of the golden age of hosting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I always tell people I got on the

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>last train out of Network TV. It was phenomenal. So

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>did you a Temptation Island? And it was I've watched it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only kind of diminish as far as the hosting

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>role that you know, Seacrest and Bergeron and you and

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>me and Cogan and all that. We all filled these

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>amazing roles in our own little niche at each network,

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<v Speaker 1>but who they bring in to host things now? And

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that role has changed so much. What would you advise

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who says I want to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I would there's a joke about my mind, as I

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 2>would tell them to run away and become an accountant

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and you'll be thrilled. But here's my take on this, Chris,

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>because I appear as my age who are either retiring

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>or still trying to grind it out, who have a

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 2>great resentment for the fact that our industry isn't an

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 2>industry really anymore. But I don't feel that way at all.

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that Actually my advice to others is take

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a cue from your own generation. I think the podcast

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 2>and the YouTube track is in many ways far better.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>And this is what I find interesting about is that, like,

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 2>if you're programming your own stuff, nobody's telling you what

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to say and what not to say, when to put

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>it out, how long it needs to go. You're not

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a slave to your lead in or lead out or

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>a preemption or promo or cancellation or any of that.

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that I find really remarkable is

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 2>how fame has changed. And it used to be yours,

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 2>this persona on TV that people liked, but the mystery

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 2>was who are you in real life? And sometimes there

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 2>are people magazines spread will say behind, you know, who's

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Tony Danzel? Really? You know whatever? Right? But now what

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<v Speaker 2>has happened is what people vibrate towards. What makes you

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<v Speaker 2>success well, famous and influencer is how much of you

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<v Speaker 2>you share? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I always am talking to my friends, who are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, frustrated about the business, and I'm like you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the cheese moved and it's freeing and liberating. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled with being TV. But literally, I say to my family,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you know, I don't go look for TV

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<v Speaker 2>jobs anymore. You know, if people want me on TV,

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna call me, and I'm gonna go do a

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<v Speaker 2>TV show and I'm down to do it. Temptation Island

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<v Speaker 2>has been awesome. I don't know what's next for me

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<v Speaker 2>in that area, and I'll do it. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation and the and the the closeness of social

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<v Speaker 2>media actually in YouTube and podcasting is far more exciting

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<v Speaker 2>than me. I don't know lucrative for me, but it

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<v Speaker 2>certainly is from a from a content standpoint, really exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>So when people come to me and say I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about doing this, I'm like, go do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can do anything. It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>You do something you had to hire somebody with a camera,

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<v Speaker 2>go to an edit bay later for hundreds of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to cut it together, and then make tapes or CDs

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<v Speaker 2>to send to people, and there was nowhere to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, evolve, evolve and move on. And speaking of evolving,

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got to figure out a name for it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've laid down a couple episodes. I'm gonna probably

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<v Speaker 2>launch it the first of the year, somewhere around there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure, but I'm in it now and

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<v Speaker 2>sort of furthering the conversations that we have on Temptation

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<v Speaker 2>Island but also life. You know, it's hard to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what's the podcast about? You know, your podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is about you and the people around you and the

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<v Speaker 2>world things that interest you. Mine is pretty much that,

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<v Speaker 2>although I probably will dwell into delve into a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of people coming to me with relationship stuff because

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<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason they come to me and ask me

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<v Speaker 2>and and I tell them I don't know, but I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Half the people come to you, the other half come

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<v Speaker 1>to me. There you go, and they should they should

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<v Speaker 1>all do better.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing I tell him probably higher professional, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because I play one on TV doesn't mean I

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<v Speaker 1>have all the answers for you, dude. I appreciate the time, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you coming on. And I like the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the podcast. That is I'm Mark Wahlberg. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not that guy, and no I did not host The Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 2>I joked that I would call it a Mark Wahlberg podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's the and then there's a but then you

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<v Speaker 2>got to quit saying things that demean you. Come on,

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<v Speaker 2>stand in your past.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I loved about having a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is when my producers like, who should we have on?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know who I want to talk to?

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<v Speaker 1>Just by the way, whether someone finds this fascinating or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter, like this is the conversation I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have. This is someone that our lives have criss

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<v Speaker 1>crossed and been intertwined for twenty years, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>such People.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't realize we're rarely we're never in the same room.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like we're so aware of what going on because

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be briefed on what you're doing so

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<v Speaker 2>that I can answer the questions when asked.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, he was in it back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's a similar thing, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was hyper aware of what Todd Newton was hosting. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what you were hosting, What what jobs are out there?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? You know, because it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>it is such a cutthroat business and we were all

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<v Speaker 1>just grinding trying to get jobs, and but it was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>There was there was a lot of civility into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, you'd fill in for Todd. I filled

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<v Speaker 1>in for Todd one time. He was about to have

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<v Speaker 1>a baby and so he couldn't do this thing in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to help him out and so he

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<v Speaker 1>me gigs.

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<v Speaker 2>Todd's throwing me stuff. Albeit the ones who thrown me

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<v Speaker 2>have been so low paying and a little bit janky.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a reason he's throwing them exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't give me the good.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the reason I love doing this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's the conversation I wanted to have. And UH

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<v Speaker 1>wish you and Robbie the best to the kids and

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<v Speaker 1>everything going on in your life. My friend. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>good to catch up.

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<v Speaker 2>And my love to Lauren and UH and all the

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<v Speaker 2>best of you, and thanks for having me on. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I have a podcast with a name,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come back on it and tell your people to

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<v Speaker 2>come listen. So HI will and then you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>they're watching you or me, and they can figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Later exactly, they'll think it's the same thing. I should

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<v Speaker 1>just put you on my podcast feed and we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>keep just running no one would ever know that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>good to me, all right, Mark, take care, Bud, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>see ya, thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at

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