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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I am running Terry Drury through our what

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Speaker 2: would you do? Gauntlet, in which I will be asking

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Speaker 2: him to share with me exactly how he would handle

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Speaker 2: a series of different hypothetical, challenging hunting scenarios and circumstances.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by First Light and their Camel for

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Speaker 2: Conservation initiative. Today in the show, we are continuing are

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Speaker 2: what would you Do series, in which, as I just described,

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Speaker 2: we run a series of different hunting experts through a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of different really challenging or tricky or confusing

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Speaker 2: hunting circumstances or scenarios to see how they would handle them,

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Speaker 2: what their thought process would be, how they would go

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Speaker 2: about making their decisions, how they would go about tackling

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Speaker 2: this tough deal. And our guest today is one of

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Speaker 2: the best of all time, Terry Drury, of Drury Outdoors.

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Speaker 2: Terry's been in the show many times before. He's a

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Speaker 2: great friend of the show, really good guy, terrific deer hunter,

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Speaker 2: but someone who has not yet been on the What

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Speaker 2: would You Do? Series? So he joined me today to

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Speaker 2: talk through a bunch of things that are mostly pertaining

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Speaker 2: to hunting. You know, private land or lightly pressured ground

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Speaker 2: or managed ground. We talk a little bit about some habitat,

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Speaker 2: but mostly it's patterning deer. Mostly it's you know, timing

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Speaker 2: your hunts, planning your hunts, you know, dealing with certain

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Speaker 2: circumstances when you're on standing you see a deer do this,

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Speaker 2: or you have a hunter on a neighboring property doing that.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of different questions along those lines, stuff that's

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Speaker 2: been super relevant to me when I'm hunting some of

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Speaker 2: my private permission places, like I've got an eighty acre

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Speaker 2: piece I have permission on, I've got another twenty acre

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Speaker 2: piece I've got permissioned on. I hunt another forty. So

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Speaker 2: a lot of the questions that I asked are scenarios

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Speaker 2: that would be relevant to me on a twenty or forty,

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Speaker 2: but Terry could also have relevance to it on a

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Speaker 2: one hundred acres or a four hundred acres, or whatever

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Speaker 2: your search situation might be. I think you'll be able

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Speaker 2: to take some of the things we learn here today

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Speaker 2: through Terry's stories and Terry's kind of thought process for

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Speaker 2: all of this and apply it to your own hunting situation.

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Speaker 2: So that's the plan. That's we're going to get to

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Speaker 2: here today. It's a great episode, it's a fun episode.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to belabor the point I think we

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Speaker 2: should get right to it. I will just give you

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Speaker 2: a couple quick reminders. Number One, we have the Back

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Speaker 2: forty podcast now. It is a limited run mini series

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Speaker 2: on the Wired Hunt Feed. Please check that out if

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Speaker 2: you haven't already. It features one question per episode answered

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Speaker 2: by eight different experts, is hosted by my buddy Ja Koefer.

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Speaker 2: I think you'll enjoy it if you haven't yet, so

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Speaker 2: check that out. It's on this same feed. Number two,

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Speaker 2: the Wired Hunt hat I'm wearing right now is still

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Speaker 2: I appreciate all of you guys showing your support by

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Speaker 2: picking up one of these two and without any further ado,

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Speaker 2: how about we just get to the episode today. It's

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Speaker 2: a good one. Like I said, please enjoy my chat

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Speaker 2: for this what would you do Gauntlet with mister Terry

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Speaker 2: Drewy all right joining me again in the show is

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Speaker 2: mister Terry Drewy. Welcome back, Terry, Thank you. How are

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Speaker 2: things really good? I'm at that phase of the year.

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Speaker 2: Like you're like me in this case where I have

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Speaker 2: two things rising in parallel. One is that steady excitement

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Speaker 2: and anticipation of the season arriving very soon. But then

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Speaker 2: right in line with that is my panic about all

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Speaker 2: the things I need to get done before the season

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Speaker 3: That couldn't have been any better said, That's exactly what

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Speaker 3: archery season. So from that date forward till January fifteenth,

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Speaker 2: Will, yes, yes, so yeah, So that all being said, Terry,

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Speaker 2: I want to be respectful of your time and the

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Speaker 2: fact that you've got a lot going on. So today

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Speaker 2: And I ran your brother through this a couple of

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Speaker 2: give you most of the same questions. So if folks wanted,

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Speaker 2: they can go back and listen to the episode with

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Speaker 2: see how the two of you might do things the

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Speaker 2: same are different, So that might be a little interesting

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Speaker 2: side project for people to do. Some of the questions

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Speaker 2: are different, so they're not all gonna line up.

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Speaker 3: For what it's worth, his scenarios are always right, just

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Speaker 3: so you know he's He's always right no matter what.

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Speaker 2: I know. People like that, So so yeah, it might

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see that this first question is a

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Speaker 2: you've got a you've got open runway on this one

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Speaker 2: with nothing to compare against. But here's here's the scenario.

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Speaker 2: Tare Imagine that you just picked up a forty acre property,

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Speaker 2: with just two small fingers of cover extending out into

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Speaker 2: your forty acre field. Okay. The neighboring property, though, has

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Speaker 4: So is this forty acres of tillable?

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Speaker 3: Is it in the Midwest where it would be planted

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Speaker 3: Out where you can slide in there without touching any

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Speaker 3: oftentimes they'll sell that crummy crop in lieu of their

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Speaker 3: Same way with the beans. Once he harvests the beans,

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Speaker 3: access readily. But that'd be that would be what I

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Speaker 3: morning and try and catch them nibbling just a little

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Speaker 3: bit before that moon sets and they go back to bed.

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Speaker 3: Would not be uncommon to see embedded in those ditches

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Speaker 3: that you talked about, those little bit of revetments. Beans

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Speaker 3: a rising moon in the afternoon and evening, especially if

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Speaker 3: they're still green, right before they start to defoliate, so

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Speaker 3: on those green soy beans, so carn I'd be there

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Speaker 4: Beans, I'd probably be there in the evening.

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Speaker 2: How is your answer different.

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Speaker 3: Substantially, but with the same frame of mind, I would

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Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't do a lot with that.

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Speaker 3: I would be tickled to death to have that scenario

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Speaker 2: Sounds like you've got this is no challenge at all

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Speaker 2: for you, Terry. This is an easy, wonderful scenario. Sounds

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Speaker 4: I guess you mess up enough, you're bound to learn something.

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Speaker 3: Over the years, we've screwed up every scenario possible.

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Speaker 2: Right there with you, Okay, I want to pivot a

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Speaker 2: So you're very excited about him, and you've done all

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Speaker 2: You've you've dotted your eyes and crossed your t's. You

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Speaker 2: have photos of him leading up to opening day. Let's

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Speaker 2: say maybe three out of six days he daylights leading

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Speaker 2: But when you look at your five day forecast, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just painted a picture of a deer that

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Speaker 3: I literally piled in after him and hunted the devil

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Speaker 4: I really did. And that's something we rarely do.

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Speaker 3: Mark and I are really really weird about not over

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Speaker 3: almost departures works worse than entrance because the deer on

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Speaker 4: They're all pretty aggressive.

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Speaker 3: You know, they mash in Stan Potts, Jay Gregory, Mark Drury,

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Speaker 4: Get them dead.

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Speaker 3: So I would get pretty aggressive, and I did that

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Speaker 3: We were inside of a blind because this is where

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Speaker 4: It was hot.

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Speaker 3: It was a little bitty tiny water hole, and this

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Speaker 3: But we hunted him for eleven or twelve days, almost religiously,

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Speaker 4: And we just don't do that, we never do that.

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Speaker 3: But I mashed in there because we kept getting pictures

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Speaker 4: So we were in the roundhouse.

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Speaker 3: We were close, but I mashed in and stayed in

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Speaker 3: normally don't do that. I'm one of those guys that

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Speaker 3: he's slipped up here, he's slipped up there.

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Speaker 4: Here's where I can kill him.

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Speaker 3: But we knew where he was going every day for

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Speaker 3: We had it in the middle of the water hole,

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Speaker 2: Wow, what about this kind of makes me think of

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Speaker 2: another scenarre with a buck like this. Imagine that you

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Speaker 2: With that being the case, do you scramble things? Do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that scenario is substantially different than the last one.

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Speaker 3: That this one would be we would be studying this

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Speaker 3: But I would be exactly one year later or two

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Speaker 4: And we've We've killed a lot of deer doing that.

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Speaker 3: I swear there are creatures a habit and you can't

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Speaker 3: of information is difficult. But if you've got a history

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Speaker 4: You still have a chance.

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Speaker 2: So I've found myself in that scenario too, and I've

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Speaker 2: twenty third. Okay, so that should tell me I should

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a coin toss, it really is, because typically

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Speaker 4: And you know, we'll tighten them up.

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Speaker 3: But because if he's been there a year in advance,

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Speaker 3: Mark would say, no, I'm not going to do that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to bump him and screw him up.

436
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 3: I'll wait for another opportunity. And unless we have a

437
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: blind in the right spot and we can close it up.

438
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: Mark does that all the time, where they lock in

439
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: there and it's one hundred and forty degrees inside, they're

440
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 3: sweating like you know, no tomorrow. So I've seen him

441
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: do that too, depends how big the deer is.

442
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: You guys have really specialized, I think in a certain

443
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 2: way with making decisions around timing, you know, with with

444
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: determining whether now is the time to mash in or

445
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: if now's the time to hang back and be a

446
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: little bit careful. So I want to run a couple

447
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: mid October scenarios past you. I feel like from the

448
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: outset looking in, you guys have historically been very conservative

449
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: with that October lull mid October timeframe, but maybe in

450
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: more recent years a little bit more aggressive in certain scenarios.

451
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: So I want to toss two out there and see

452
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: what your thoughts would be. Number One, imagine it's mid October,

453
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: we'll say October fifteenth, and it is a great moon

454
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: for an evening hunt, but mild weather, warmish, mild weather

455
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: kind of subpar on that front. How would you approach

456
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 2: that hunt? How good of a stand would you hunt?

457
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: What's your what's your plan for that scenario? And for

458
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: people who maybe aren't familiar, could you also give us

459
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: a brief explanation of how you look at the moon

460
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: and what means a good moon versus a bad moon.

461
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 3: Well, that that scenario, we've hunted that, you know, a

462
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 3: gazillion times that that perfect moon and have been you know, stemy,

463
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: you know, and not have not seen what we expected

464
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: to see because of the weather can do that you

465
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 3: just described. But in conversely, we've also seen giants that

466
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 3: get up on their feet even though it might be

467
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 3: eighty degrees and you're going, why are they out there?

468
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: You can't understand why they're in the middle of a

469
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: green beanfield or why they're out on a cloverfield and

470
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 3: it's eighty five degrees and.

471
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: The flies they're all you know around them and all

472
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 4: that jazz.

473
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: So there's a chance that you may see or kill

474
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: that the biggest year of your life if the moon

475
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: is right. And what do I mean when we're talking

476
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: about the correct moon that you're referring to When it

477
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: is rising in the afternoon and the moon's dislike the sun,

478
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 3: it rises in the east sets in the west, but

479
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: when it's rising in the afternoon and it coincides with

480
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 3: their normal feeding pattern. And I like to say that

481
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 3: if it's coming up about two or two thirty in

482
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: the afternoon, so that by four o'clock, you know, the

483
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: moon is already up in the sky. And I prefer

484
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: a waxing moon, where it's waxing full in lieu of

485
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: wane in little waning to where it's going to go

486
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: into dark of the moon. Dark of the moon for

487
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: us is dreadful. Full moon for us is money, always

488
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: has been, always will be. And I'm going to guess

489
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: at about eighty five to eighty seven percent of all

490
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 3: the bucks we've ever killed historically are in and around

491
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 3: the full moon, you know, within a number of days

492
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: waxing or waning. And that's data, that information is correct.

493
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: We watch it each and every year. How many of

494
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: them get killed in and around the full moon. Dark

495
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: of the moon is usually pretty bad for us, really

496
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: really poor. Is it the style that we hunt? Maybe,

497
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, because we may not be in their bedroom

498
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: or something. A lot of times we're out on that

499
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 3: food source where they've got to get up on their

500
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: feet and they come to it. So I'm not saying

501
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: that you can't kill one dark of the moon, because

502
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: you certainly can, and we've done it, but we've just

503
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: had better success on waxing full moon or a waning

504
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: full moon. So I would love to see October fifteenth

505
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: a waxing waxing full within a day or two, rising

506
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: about two in the afternoon or two thirty, and even

507
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: though it's eighty or eighty five degrees, I'd probably still

508
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: hunt it, and I would try and get it on

509
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: a correct wind. You know, if I'm hunting a tree stand,

510
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: I want to be in a correct wind. If I'm

511
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: in a blind we're going to keep it closed up,

512
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: completely shut, and then sit over that food source with

513
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 3: the windows shut. A bad moon a little bit different

514
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: if it's if it's a waning moon or going to

515
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: dark of the moon, but it's still rising, because it

516
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: can still be rising at two or two thirty in

517
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: the afternoon, but it's a dark of the moon or

518
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 3: waning I probably would not I probably would not go

519
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: sit that food source.

520
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: I would wait. I would wait till I have the

521
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: correct moon.

522
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: So so to the first scenario, so so good moon,

523
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: bad weather, and let's imagine we have like four tiers

524
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: of stands of ambush locations. A tier you know maybe

525
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: if it's still numbers tier one, two, three, four. So

526
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: tier one is our absolute best spots for that particular

527
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: day and wind and on down. With that scenario, good moon,

528
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: bad weather, what tier location would you be picking with

529
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: that set of circumstances.

530
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 3: I had picked two or three, I probably would not

531
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: go to my best spot, not yet, not until I

532
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: knew if that if you had given me the conditions

533
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: where the wind or the temperature was maybe ten degrees

534
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: below average, I'd have.

535
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: Been at number one.

536
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: I'd have been in my number one spot, but with

537
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: it being twenty or thirty degrees above average, yeah, maybe

538
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: even three or four.

539
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: You know, let's flip flop it. So let's say lousy moon,

540
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: but slamming cold front, just the cold front of cold

541
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: fronts on October fifteenth, but the moon is dead wrong.

542
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: What's your thought process? What do you do in this scenario?

543
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: And then give me your tear.

544
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 4: There too.

545
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: I would probably switch up on the tier a little bit,

546
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: but you know, those those cold fronts, Mark and I

547
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: live and die by it. We always say the temperature

548
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: Trump's moon, and it does if you get the temperatures

549
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: and their ten or fifteen degrees below normal, and you've

550
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 3: got a major northwest coming in or a northeaster coming in.

551
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: Then I would I would set a food source and

552
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 3: I would hunt it. But because we're getting to be

553
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: such big babies, i'd be in a blind, I'd have

554
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: the window shut. We'd be comfortable. I wouldn't have to

555
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: worry about sweat running down my back, so you know,

556
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: we'd still be on a food source even though it's

557
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 3: a crappy moon with the temperatures, because temperatures do trump moon.

558
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: Did you make a point to try to want to

559
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: hunt more from a tree stand last year or the

560
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: year before, Yes, I did.

561
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: I did, and we get such feedback market that people said,

562
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: you're getting away from your roots and the way you

563
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: used to do it and all that. And I absolutely

564
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: love hunting out a tree stand, always have, always will.

565
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 4: So we did do that, and I hunted it. I

566
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: had a pretty good deer.

567
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: Hunted him forty seven or forty eight days out of

568
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: a tree, and I'll be damned, we went to a

569
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: blind one night. I killed him the first night I

570
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 3: sat there, no joke, killed him the first evening We

571
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: sat there, which tells you number one, that the blinds

572
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: are in the right spots. You know, we've got him

573
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: in the right spots, and the deer creatures a habit,

574
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: we kind of know where they're going to go. But

575
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: I intentionally hunted tree stands trying to kill him, and

576
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: I should have had him dead. I had him one morning,

577
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: which I love hunting mornings, and that's my perfect scenario

578
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: is hunting the morning, crystal clear twenty twenty five degrees

579
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 3: thermost going up a setting moon, and I had him

580
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: at twenty five yards and didn't get him dead. I

581
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 3: was on the wrong side of the tree, or he

582
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: was however you want to look at it. He was

583
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: wide open for the camera guy and he could have

584
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: killed him ten times over. But make a long story, shark,

585
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: I should have killed him that morning.

586
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: And didn't, Heartbreaker, But you did. You did get it

587
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: done later, So.

588
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: I did get it done. Yeah, the first night I

589
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: sat a blind the very first night we sat it

590
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: line and killed him.

591
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: It was It was funny though, because I saw that

592
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: that episode and I noticed I was like, what feels different.

593
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wow, it's it's because there's all

594
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: these tree stand shots and it was great. It was

595
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: great to see you in the woods. It was great

596
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: to see in the tempera.

597
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: I love that and we're going to do it again

598
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: this year.

599
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. Forrest and I are both big tree stand guys.

600
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: I love. As matter of fact, it's a hell a

601
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: lot easier to kill a deer out of a tree than.

602
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 4: It is out of a blind.

603
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: All these windows, right, they can say anything they want to,

604
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: but what can go wrong will go wrong. When you're

605
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: hunting out of a blind. It's like having a straight

606
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: jacket on. Now with a gun or a crossbow, yeah,

607
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: that's a little bit different. But boy, when you're hunting,

608
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: hunting with a bow ar tree tackle, I'm telling you,

609
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: it's not easy.

610
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 4: So I would much rather hunt out a tree.

611
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: It's just it feels claustrophobic in those blinds. Sometimes when

612
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: you're in a stand and you can just look around

613
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: and you see everything, that's that freedom is pretty nice.

614
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: That range of motion, you know, being able to swing

615
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: is just oh yeah, you know, I call it into

616
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 3: your hand and away from your hand. Forrest is right handed,

617
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: I'm left handed, Mark's right handed, Matt's right handed.

618
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: So we set our sets differently.

619
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: For a lefty than we do righty and bull riders

620
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: talk about it all the time, into your hand or

621
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: away from your hand. If you're going into your hand,

622
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: I can swing right almost completely behind me, but I

623
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: can't swing left, and vice versa. For a right hander,

624
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: there's just the opposite. So we we hang our sets

625
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: with that in mind, so that we can go into

626
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: our hand, meaning I could I can turn this on

627
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: the stand, yeah you know, and shoot that way. But

628
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: I can also turn this way and literally almost shoot

629
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: behind you. So we set them accordingly for that, depending

630
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: on the trail or the food plot or whatever we're

631
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: setting over.

632
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: Makes sense, all right, This is a little bit of

633
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: a shift away from what we've been talking about, but

634
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: maybe not entirely, because this is in addition to moon

635
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: and temperature, you guys have broken up. Actually, all of

636
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: these things are all in line with your themes now

637
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: that I think about it. You you've talked about the

638
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: different phases of the season, right, and you guys have

639
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: done a great job teaching a lot of folks about

640
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: how the season might be broken up into these micro chunks.

641
00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Right.

642
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: You talked about your thirteen different phases. Let's consider a

643
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: scenario in which your expected phases possibly get scrambled. So

644
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: let's imagine you're out on a hunt. We'll say, let's

645
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: say that your brother invites you to hunt up in Iowa.

646
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, and it's somewhere between October fifteenth and October

647
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: twenty first, okay, okay, and you're sitting on stand and

648
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: this is an evening hunt, and you see a dough

649
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: just getting dogged by bucks. And it's not just the

650
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: year and a half old bucks like you see a

651
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: year and a half old like they do in two

652
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: year old. But then you see a legit, you know,

653
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: five year old on his feet really getting after it,

654
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: chasing this dough. So we'll say, over the course of

655
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, you see five different bucks

656
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: come following that trail, and one of them was like

657
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: a four or five year old type buck. But it's

658
00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: October sixteenth or seventeenth or eighteenth in this scenario, what

659
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: do you do? Do you hunt like it's October fifteenth

660
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: or seventeenth or eighteenth like you typically would, or is

661
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: your scenario? Is your strategy going to change because of

662
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: this early running type indication that you're seeing.

663
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: Well, historically, each and every year, October yields some really

664
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: really big deer, and it's not uncommon for I think

665
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: a dough or two, depending on the moon phase, to

666
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 4: come into Estras a little bit early. And if she's

667
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: got four or five different bucks that might be sniffing

668
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: around or pushing around, nudging her around, there is a

669
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: chance that she might pop early and come into Estras.

670
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: So I would probably go back and hunt that. I'd

671
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: hunt that scenario pretty hard.

672
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: If I saw her and it looked like she was

673
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: getting ready to come in, I would probably hunt that

674
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: and hunt that and hunt that pretty aggressively. Because each

675
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: and every year you see these guys killing these one

676
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: eighties and one nineties, and you go.

677
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 4: Damn, how do they do that? Well, that can happen

678
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: that scenario.

679
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: We've seen it happen in years past, where dough it

680
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 3: just takes one and sometimes that first available Estras dough

681
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: will always have a giant they sniff them out before

682
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 3: all the young bucks do. Now, there's a big difference

683
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: between a year and a half nudging her and two

684
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: year old nudging her, because the bucks are always ready.

685
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: The moment they drop that velvet, they're ready to go.

686
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: The difference is the does are not, so you kind

687
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: of got a look at the moon phase. When did

688
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: it wax full? It's not uncommon if it waxes in

689
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 3: and around the tent, you know, then seven to ten

690
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 3: days after that first waxing full, there'll be some does

691
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: that pop. It's just not a lot, but it's a few.

692
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: But when it does, boy, it creates a frenzy around them.

693
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: So I would hunt that pretty hard.

694
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: And would you just go right back to that same

695
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: place that you saw them, or would you hunt in

696
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: some different spot knowing what you know in some other.

697
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: Way that time of the year, she's not traveling real far.

698
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: My guess is she's a bed to food is probably

699
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: fairly close there. Usually there's a mass crop in and

700
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: around that time of year, which screws everything up because

701
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: they're all over in the timber. But let's say, for example,

702
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: that you have a terrible mass crop that year and

703
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, either the soybeans or

704
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: a green food source, whether it be clover or you know,

705
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: biologic radishes, winter bulb of sugar beets, And if she's

706
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: on that pretty heavy, I'd go right back to that

707
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: spot where she's frequenting, you know, and try and catch

708
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: her coming back to food.

709
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Okay, let's go advance the calendar ten days

710
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: or so. Let's say it's October twenty eighth, and you're

711
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: hunting your main farm, one of your main farms, where

712
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: you have a just a really dialed setup. You've got

713
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: your food plot architecture, you've got either a stand or

714
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: a B line set up just so on this inside

715
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: corner maybe, and you've got a fake scrape tree out there,

716
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: and everything's dialed really nicely for this location. You're sitting

717
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 2: there hunting and you see three different bucks out of range,

718
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: all doing basically the same thing. So we'll say they're

719
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: ninety five yards from you, but they all go passing

720
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: through this other you know, this other corner off in

721
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: the distance. Three bucks all doing the same thing. One

722
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: of them is a four year old. Let's say, what

723
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: do you do based on that intel? Do you stick

724
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: it out where you're at because it's so well built

725
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: and you believe that you know things are going to

726
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: go your way eventually and they're going to come your way,

727
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: or would you say there's something going on over there,

728
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: I need to, you know, make a move, make a change, adjust.

729
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 4: I would I'd stay where I'm at.

730
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: I'd hold pat because we've had such history with ours,

731
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: particularly if it's on one of our main farms, We've

732
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: had such history with those spots, and you know at

733
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: that at that time, if even if it is a

734
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: four year old, let's say it's a five year old

735
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: that walk through there, I probably wouldn't adjust. I'd stay

736
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: where I'm at, and on the fact that we're going

737
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: to catch a maturityer going if it's an inside corner

738
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: or an outside corner, or a fringe, you know, let's

739
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: say it's corn to beans or corn to green, green

740
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: to grain, I would probably stay there and just say

741
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: historically we've had too good luck here, We're not going

742
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: to change.

743
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: Is your answer different if this is not one of

744
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: your main farms, and instead this is a new farm,

745
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: this is a new place you picked up, it's the lease,

746
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: first year hunting it. You still have a really good

747
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: dialed spot you think you're in, but you don't have

748
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: years and years worth of worth of intel. Does that

749
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: change things or no.

750
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: That does change things because we've been in the wrong

751
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: spot a lot, So then I might mash in or

752
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 3: I might wait until I saw enough traffic there, enough

753
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: history there, and then I would probably make the move.

754
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: But I probably wouldn't do it on just one one

755
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: case or one scenario. I would look at it, maybe

756
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: an entire season and maybe two seasons before I finally

757
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: made the move. And that's you know, there's a lot

758
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: of guys that are pretty agressive that would mashed in

759
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 3: day one and killed a deer there. I'm a little

760
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: bit different. I'll stay back and watch and watch and

761
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: watch and study and log it all away, and then

762
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: when I make the move, I know it's the right move.

763
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: So I may wait two seasons. And we've done that. Hell,

764
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 3: we've had farms where we've moved stuff three years later,

765
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: four years later and said, you know what, we should

766
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 3: have done this two years ago.

767
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there too. All Right, I'm gonna throw

768
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: out a snare that's close to home because it's one

769
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: that happened to me recently, and I'm curious how you

770
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: would tackle this one. Let's say your main hunting spot

771
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: had two legit shooter bucks that you had multiple years

772
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: of history, three years of history of both of these bucks,

773
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: but they are the only two bucks you were interested

774
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: in shooting, and they have been, you know, all through summer,

775
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: very consistent. You're seeing them over and over. Like I said,

776
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: you have three years of past history. Both of these

777
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: bucks have been homebodies. Okay, season opens and they disappear.

778
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: You get sign of life pictures of one of them twice,

779
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: once in late October, once in early November. But that's it.

780
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: So you know months of the season. More than a

781
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: month of the season has gone by. Now mostly they

782
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: have disappeared, but you have this glimmer of hope that

783
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: they might be alive because you've gotten these couple little

784
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: random dots. I guess it's sort of similar to the

785
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: first question I asked you about summer bucks. But how

786
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: would you tackle this scenario in which it feels like

787
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: at times you are hunting an animal that might not

788
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: even exist anymore, But at other times you're thinking, well,

789
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: any day now, because he's still out there somewhere. What happened?

790
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened? So many question marks? What

791
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: do you do with that circumstance?

792
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 4: Did you have history with him the previous year.

793
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: Three years of history with them being homebodies in season,

794
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: so they are all during the season. Okay, but this

795
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: year they go disappear.

796
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: Pile in on the one that you the one that

797
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: showed back up. You know, if you've got history with

798
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: him and you've had some camera camera information, particularly that

799
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: camera data, boy, I would I would try and really

800
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: really mash in on him. He's there, he might just

801
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: be moving, you know, very very small circle. If he's

802
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: gotten a little bit older, his you know, his home

803
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: core might have got just shrunk down a little bit.

804
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: But I would mash in on him at that point. Yeah,

805
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: particularly that time of year, because all it takes is

806
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: just one one moment in time. If you if you

807
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: kind of had an idea where he was betting, that

808
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 3: would help, yeah, so that you're not putting your wind

809
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: out over the top of him, you know.

810
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: But I would, I'd get pretty aggressive with him.

811
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: At what point do you ever pull the plug on

812
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: a dear and like.

813
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 3: Just totally find out the find Yeah.

814
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: Some of my question though, is like a situation where you,

815
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: let's say you never get that proof of life picture

816
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: where he's always been there and now they're gone, Like

817
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: how long does it take you to not see a

818
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: buck to be like, okay, he must be dead because

819
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: I always find myself battling with this one.

820
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: That happens to us more often than not.

821
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many deer have disappeared and

822
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: we don't know. Did coyotes drag him down, did a

823
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 3: neighbor kill him? Do they get poached? Do they just

824
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: travel five miles seven miles away? Did another deer run

825
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: them out? Push them out? You know those four year olds.

826
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: If you've got a lot of four year olds on

827
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: your farm, or even three year olds for that matter,

828
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: they'll push deer out.

829
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 4: So that happens very very often.

830
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: And years ago I would give them a little more time.

831
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: But now, because of all the cameras that we run

832
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: and the camera information, if you don't have him one season,

833
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: or he falls off one season, and then you don't

834
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: have him the next, I as much as write them

835
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 3: off and say they're just they're not coming back.

836
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: They're just not Now.

837
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: It's not uncommon for all of a sudden them to

838
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: pop up somewhere out of the clear blue sky. But

839
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: that's a rare that's a rare event for them to

840
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: show up at age nine or ten or something. It

841
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: just rarely happens. Depending on the side of the parcel

842
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: you're hunting. You know, let's say it's one hundred acres,

843
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: you know, a pretty good chance a neighbor shot him,

844
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: or maybe even four or five neighbors over and you

845
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: don't get to hear about it. That's that's pretty typical.

846
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 3: But I anymore, I give up on him a little,

847
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: a little quicker than I used to. I always had

848
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: that hope, But we had a giant deer that disappeared

849
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: on us. And still that one hurt. Still don't know

850
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: what happened to him, Never hurt him dead, never found him, walked, walked,

851
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: walked trying to find him, you know, never found him,

852
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: and he just disappeared. I still don't know what happened

853
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: to him. He was a giant, giant, big, big so

854
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: but you got it at some point, And and my

855
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: farm manager and I talk about it all the time

856
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: we go. You know, we'd sure like to know what

857
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: happened to him. You just want to know what happened.

858
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: Did did somebody kill him, did they get hit on

859
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: the road, did he get poached?

860
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 4: Even if he got poached, I'd at least.

861
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: Like to know what happened to him.

862
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, with the with the deer I was mentioning.

863
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: In my scenario, I kept on holding on hope and

864
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: like thinking, like, all right, it's just you know, the

865
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: cameras aren't telling me the whole story. So he historically

866
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: he's been in here. So I kind of did what

867
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: you said, I was mashing. I kept on, you know,

868
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: hunting his historic time frames and pushed into like where

869
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: he would be at, where the dough should be, and

870
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: and just never never showed back up. And one of

871
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 2: the two I ended up finding out did get killed.

872
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: So I have confirmation that one got killed first week

873
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: of the season, so that explains why he disappeared off

874
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: the map. But the second buck, I still have no idea.

875
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: No neighbors have told me what happened. Uh so I

876
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: don't know. Probably probably dead, but who knows.

877
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's gut ranching because you just don't know. So

878
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: there's always there. You do, always hold out that hope,

879
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: but at some point you go, well, I got to

880
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: move on.

881
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 4: I just gotta I gotta, I gotta re you know.

882
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: Reevaluate and and concentrate on another deer or another area

883
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: or something.

884
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 4: How big a parcel was that mark?

885
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: This is eighty five acres Yeah.

886
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no telling how far he roamed or who

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: might have got him.

888
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. Hard, hard to hard to manage eighty five.

889
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: You got to be really, really really careful on eighty

890
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: five so that you don't we Mark and I talk

891
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: about it all the time about king of intrusion. There's

892
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that intrude and run the deer

893
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: out that they're hunting, and then you know they say, well,

894
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,959
Speaker 3: deer cast was incorrect or this was wrong. Well, sure,

895
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: you just got to be those those smaller tracks. You

896
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: have to be extremely extremely careful. They're very sensitive and

897
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: in and out and you better have a really really

898
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: good access in and access out so you don't do

899
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: much damage.

900
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 4: That's hard, That's hard.

901
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: It's a tough that's a tough hunt, especially on a

902
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: big dude, because you know, you want to go in

903
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: there and you want to pile in on him, and uh,

904
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: you know, wind may not always be right for you.

905
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Just walking on eggshells. Yeah. So here's here's kind of

906
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: the flip side, which is, rather than having a deer

907
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: that you have not seen and are wondering where he is,

908
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: let's imagine a scenario where you have a buck that

909
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: you've been seeing all over the place. You've been playing

910
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: cat and mouse with them all October. I'm going to

911
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: put you back at home in Missouri. Now take it back.

912
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: Let's imagine you're on Do you still have a lease

913
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: in Illinois?

914
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: Yes, you just painted a scenario that we had a

915
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: deer exactly like that.

916
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So imagine we're on the farm and he's been

917
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: shown up on camera. You've had some sightings. You've been

918
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 2: bouncing back and forth cat and mouse, like he's there,

919
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: you're almost there, you're here, he's just back where you were,

920
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: back and forth, back and forth. But you've been using

921
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: recent intel, you've been using past history with him to

922
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: try to kill him on a bed to feed pattern

923
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: early in the season. And then it gets into late

924
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: October and you're still tightening into like those zones near

925
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: his bedding areas, let's say, hypothetically and food of course.

926
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: But now November arrives, and there's some part of November,

927
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: whether it's November one or the fourth, or everybody says

928
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: something different, but that you pick the date when in

929
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: your mind things switch and all of a sudden, like

930
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: the rut is on. Do you how do you change

931
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: your strategy even though you're still after this one buck.

932
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: At what point do you switch from like hunting that

933
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: buck to hunting the doze, or to hunting a standard

934
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: rut feeding or sorry, a rut, you know, funnel location

935
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: or something like that. What do you do in that?

936
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm trying to say is what do

937
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: you do when the cat and mouse game switches from

938
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: the standard October cat and mouse to the rut?

939
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: Which is a great scenario.

940
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: You just painted a really really good scenario for a

941
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: a lot of hunters, and concentrating or putting your efforts

942
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: on where the does are going to be is pretty

943
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: important at that time of the year. Illinois usually pops

944
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 3: and I'm going to say like a light switch event

945
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: the week prior to their firearm season when they're fire

946
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: season kicks in that week or ten days prior to that,

947
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: and you may sit there for two or three days

948
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: and not see squat and then all of a sudden,

949
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: it's a light switch event and there's bucks just going

950
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: all over the place. So you first and foremost, you

951
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: gotta hunt it daily just to make sure that you

952
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: catch it. And we had a buck exactly like what

953
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: you described had picture after picture after picture hunting him

954
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: three or four years Forrest ended up killing.

955
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 4: It was during muzzle order season.

956
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: It wasn't during this period that you're talking about, but

957
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: my god, he drove.

958
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 4: Us absolutely insane.

959
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: We had conversation after conversation after conversation with one buck

960
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 3: in mine. We put all of our eggs in that basket,

961
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: and we just could not catch up with him.

962
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: He was he was big.

963
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: He ended up scoring I think one eighty seven or something.

964
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: But we literally he would We would track our cameras

965
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: the next day or that night early morning at four

966
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: thirty four o'clock, we'd be up looking. He'd go two

967
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: and a half miles and hit seven or eight cameras

968
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: in one night, Helen, in four or five hours. He

969
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: was just he was on his horse and constantly moving,

970
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: and no matter where we sat, we were always in

971
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 3: the wrong spot.

972
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: Always we we.

973
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: Would be here, he'd be there. We'd be there, he'd

974
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: be here. It was just the scenario you painted, and

975
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: we could not catch up with him. And then finally

976
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: one morning we had a really really cold, frosty morning

977
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: with a moon that was hanging in the sky. It

978
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: wasn't setting yet, and I went on a gut and

979
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: we had some we had purchased some soybeans from the farmer,

980
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: and I said, let's let's go to those. Let's go

981
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: to those beans. We had just gotten his picture the

982
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: night before. I said, let's go back. Let's slip in

983
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: there early and maybe we'll get an eyeball on him.

984
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: And lo and behold, we did. We finally got to

985
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: catch up with him. He nibbled around on some beans,

986
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 3: but the does were there, to your point, there were

987
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: seven eight nine does that were on this field, the

988
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: eating and you know, nibbling on these beans. But we

989
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: had that moon still in the sky, it hadn't set yet,

990
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: had a cold, frosty morning, and they were nibbling just

991
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: a little bit before they went back to bed. And

992
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: that's what the moon will do for you when it's

993
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: the right moon. It holds them up there just a

994
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 3: little bit longer before they go back to bed, because

995
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: oftentimes you look at your cameras five am, five point fifteen,

996
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 3: five twenty five point thirty, they're head into bed. Well,

997
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: when a moon's right and we've got cold temperatures, the

998
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: scenario was just perfect, and we just happen to make

999
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: the right gut call that morning.

1000
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 4: But that scenario you just describe is one of the toughest.

1001
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: It really is.

1002
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: But concentrating on dose is really a good way to

1003
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 3: play that game because you're going to go where they go,

1004
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: and there's still gonna be some bucks nudging around that

1005
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: period in November. So I would not be afraid to

1006
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: set a food source of a morning with the moon

1007
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 3: hanging in the sky.

1008
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: Okay, imagine this same situation, the same buck here after

1009
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: you keep on chasing them around, but you're being smart

1010
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: about it. We get to the night before gun season,

1011
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: the day before gun season, when you might think, or

1012
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: at least when I look at when gun season opens

1013
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: here in Michigan, at least I I look at that

1014
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: as like a light switch event where everything's going to change.

1015
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: I've always thought that last day before the gun season

1016
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: is like different kind of day. What do you do

1017
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: on that day before gun season when you're still trying

1018
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: to kill that one buck you've been after all year

1019
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: and hasn't happened yet. What do you do on that day?

1020
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: And what's different if anything?

1021
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 3: Well, believe it or not, because firearm season is opening

1022
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 3: and it is a reshuffling of the deck, if you will.

1023
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: Once those once the Orange Army comes out, everything's off

1024
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: the table. It all goes out the door, or all

1025
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: that studying and chess match and all that changes. But

1026
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, we're to the point now we're fearful of

1027
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 3: running or pushing a deer out, so we may lay

1028
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: back and not hunting. You know, if we got intel

1029
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 3: on him and he's as a homeboy, rather than shove

1030
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: him out on the farm, we may lay back and

1031
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: just say hope, like hell, he stays, and we may

1032
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: pull the reins in a little bit on him and say,

1033
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: you know what, let's just stay out of that area

1034
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: and gamble. Maybe he'll stay here, you know, if there's

1035
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 3: enough you know, extracurricular activity going on on the borders,

1036
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 3: on the fence lines and all that jazz, maybe he'll

1037
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: he'll stay in here. So I'd probably like a dummy,

1038
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: I'd probably not not go hunting.

1039
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go after him.

1040
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: What so is is that?

1041
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: Is that?

1042
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: Like is that the one day rule? Or is there

1043
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: a certain window before gun season when you're like, ah,

1044
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna give it three days or two days, or

1045
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: like when do you start trying to preserve the sanctity

1046
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: of a sanctuary like that.

1047
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: Well, because they're moving quite a bit at that period,

1048
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 3: I would I'd probably limit that to maybe two days

1049
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: maybe you know where, I'd let him alone and hope,

1050
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: like hell, they stay. Yeah, we had a deer a

1051
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: couple of years ago this year, was a four and

1052
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: a half year old, one hundred and seventy nine inch

1053
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: four year old. The only reason I know the neighbor

1054
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: shot him an opening day of firearm season. Wow, And

1055
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: we were trying treating him with kit gloves. We were

1056
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: staying out of an area, hoping that he would stay

1057
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: on the farm. But he didn't. And the moment I

1058
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: heard the shot, the very moment, I go, well, he

1059
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 3: just killed him. It was yeah, one hundred and seventy

1060
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: nine inch four year old. We thought he might blow

1061
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: into a two hundred, you know.

1062
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: Thought. Yeah, so it happens us just like everybody else.

1063
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does. Okay, here's another one that happens

1064
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: to everyone that none of us are happy about. It's

1065
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: November fifth, sixth and seventh, fifth is and seventh. Great days.

1066
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: We've been looking forward to them all year, except the

1067
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: forecast says seventy four seventy six seventy one warm days

1068
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: on our typically terrific days, what do you do.

1069
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: Drink? Yeah, it's dreadful, Mark, We've been through those period

1070
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: and it's absolutely dreadful.

1071
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 4: You're thinking you're going to see him.

1072
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 3: You wait, you hope, you pray, and you're sitting there,

1073
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: sitting there, and they just don't show up. They lay.

1074
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: All of that happens at night, you know, so much

1075
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 3: of it. When the weather and temperatures are blow average,

1076
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: it is exposed and you see it all. When the

1077
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 3: temperatures are ten fifteen degrees above average, it happens at night.

1078
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: They're moving slow or not moving at all, and all

1079
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: of that red activity that you're referring to is just

1080
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 3: it's it goes unnoticed because you're not able to see

1081
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: it. It happens at night. You see some on the cameras,

1082
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: but it's we still go out, you know, we may

1083
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 3: go out a little later or whatever, but we still

1084
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: go out. And it's usually first hour, at last hour

1085
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: when it's warm like that, particularly first hour in the mornings,

1086
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: if it's that warm, you might catch one going back

1087
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: to bed if the moon was right, you know.

1088
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 4: But man, I hate those I hate that scenario.

1089
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Do you still hunt? You know, I feel like at

1090
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 2: least a lot of folks will look at those dates

1091
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: and say, oh, yes, time for like tier one locations.

1092
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: But do you still hunt tier one locations with those temperatures.

1093
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 4: But during those dates?

1094
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: Yes?

1095
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 4: Probably?

1096
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. The bad part is you know you're doing damage

1097
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: one in and damage coming out. That's the part that

1098
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: just kills you. So you may only do it once

1099
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: or twice and then you're either gonna regret it or

1100
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 3: you're gonna be happy you did it. But chances are

1101
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: you're gonna regret it if temperaures are wrong. But you know,

1102
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: if you catch one first hour, then I would, you know,

1103
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 3: I go in in the dark and I would sit there,

1104
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: and you may catch one first.

1105
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: Hour, then you're happy you did it. But I'd probably.

1106
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 3: Hunt that Tier one on those days six, seven, eight, Yeah,

1107
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: I would.

1108
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, here's here's a tricky one that kind

1109
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 2: of goes back to the snare we were talking about

1110
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: in Illinois where you've got this buck that's been quite visible,

1111
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: You've been hunting them all over, you know him well,

1112
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: but can't get him killed. You have a neighbor who

1113
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: you've got a good relationship with and you guys have

1114
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: open communication. He starts texting you and telling you like, hey,

1115
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 2: I saw that buck. I got pictures of that buck,

1116
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: saw him again, got pictures of him again. All of

1117
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's seeing and getting sightings of that buck

1118
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: a bunch. Does that change how you haunt him at all?

1119
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 2: What do you do in that scenario?

1120
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.

1121
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we would. We'd creep I'll be honest, we

1122
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: should creep in a little.

1123
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would.

1124
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: You know, if I've got to set on that particular

1125
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: area of the farm, depending on north, south east west,

1126
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 3: I would, yeah, we'd.

1127
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 4: We'd mash in a little bit further or closer.

1128
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: To wherever I had wherever I was set up, whether

1129
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: it be a tree stand or a blind, I would

1130
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: get just a little bit closer to that area because

1131
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: he more than likely is with a dough or on

1132
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: another dough at that period, and wherever that do is at,

1133
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and get close to where I

1134
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: think she may show up, you know, either in a

1135
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 3: green food source or an acorn flat or some type

1136
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 3: of structure or bed.

1137
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna get a little bit closer.

1138
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: You bet, if he's nice enough to let me know

1139
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: that I'm going to be nice enough to try and accommodate.

1140
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now do you ever worry like if you know so?

1141
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 2: A slight variation on that, What if you know that

1142
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: you have a neighbor that's after the same buck you're after,

1143
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: so you know that there's competition for this buck and

1144
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: he's going to be getting pressured from elsewhere. So in

1145
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: those scenarios, I sometimes find myself wrestling with Okay, I

1146
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: should be more aggressive because this other guy's going to

1147
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: kill him if I don't, so I better swing for

1148
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: the fences. Or I should be more conservative because I'm

1149
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: gonna let that guy over pressure things and I will

1150
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: have I will be careful, and my place will be

1151
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: the safe place that buck ends up after he screws

1152
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: it up. What do you do when you know that

1153
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: situation is going on?

1154
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: And I've heard and seen that situation from Mark and

1155
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: Matt myself over and over and over again, and for

1156
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: the most part, we're going to probably be a little

1157
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: less intrusive generally speaking, we're going to try not to

1158
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: push the buck out of our area. But if that

1159
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: guy see anyone in the regular it depends on what

1160
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: kind of hunter he is too, is a good hunter,

1161
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: is he an average hunter? Or is he a poor hunter.

1162
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: If he's a poor hunter, we're gonna let him push

1163
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: the deer to us. If he's an average hunter, we're

1164
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: gonna still bank on letting him push the deer to us,

1165
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 3: because if this is a seven or eight year old deer,

1166
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: you know, he's he might have to be a pretty

1167
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: good hunter. If it's firearm season, it's one thing. But

1168
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: if he's trying to do it with a bow, then

1169
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: we're gonna go. You know what, We're gonna bank on

1170
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: the fact where we're gonna We're gonna see if the

1171
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: deer come to us.

1172
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: What about this one? What if your neighbor is world class,

1173
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: and your neighbor has just as good of habitat, just

1174
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: as good as food plots, just as many trail cameras,

1175
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: and is filming it all too, and you're both after

1176
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: a two hundred plus inch buck, How does that change

1177
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: things at all?

1178
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: Man? You just you just described Lee Lakowski, Stan Potts,

1179
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: Don Kiskey. Yeah, there's a pile of those guys out there,

1180
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: those really really good hunters. Yeah. Then then out of

1181
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: courtesy and respect, I'd probably I probably stay where we're

1182
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: at if it, you know, because what happens I see

1183
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: this time and time again. Everybody gets their turn, if

1184
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: you will. You know, one guy may kill one one year,

1185
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: one guy may kill a giant the next year, the

1186
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 3: following year. It kind of it kind of mother nature

1187
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: has a way of humbling you and equaling the playing field,

1188
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: if you will. And those guys are so good, those

1189
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: those few guys I just name, they're so good at

1190
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: it that I would probably be happy for those guys

1191
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: because we have all been we've all grown up together,

1192
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 3: We've all done it for so long, you know, thirty

1193
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: five forty years of doing this stuff. I'd love to

1194
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: see stan Potts kill a giant because he just he

1195
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: goes off into orbit like a rocket. So and we

1196
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: love Stanley a lot Lee. You know, we've been buddies

1197
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: with Lee and Tiff for a long time. You know,

1198
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: I love watching them kill big deer, So out of

1199
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: respect and out of courtesy, I'd say that we would probably,

1200
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,479
Speaker 3: you know, say, you know what, we're gonna We're gonna

1201
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: play our game. You're gonna do your thing. Whoever you know,

1202
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: whoever kills it good for them.

1203
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always wondered, I know of certain I know

1204
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: I know of this scenario in other places, and I've

1205
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: always wondered where, you know, is there a cat and

1206
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: mouse gang going on not only between the deer and

1207
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: the hunters, but also between the two other hunters, where

1208
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, one guy's thinking, all right, well, I know

1209
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: they've got a lot of greens planted, so I'm going

1210
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: to plant more grains. Or I know that they've got

1211
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: you know, this thing going on, so I'm going to

1212
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: do the opposite, or I'm going to lean in, you know,

1213
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: or I know this person's tendencies are to do this

1214
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: kind of hunt, so I'm going to gear my property

1215
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: towards taking advantage of that. I've always wondered if that

1216
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: ever happens. Without divulging names of people I know like this,

1217
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: I've always been curious, Well.

1218
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 3: My my moral high bar might be higher than someone else's,

1219
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: let's say, but I have such utmost respect for those

1220
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: names that I mentioned that I would be happy for

1221
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: them if they killed a one eighty or one ninety.

1222
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: I really would. I love all to death, and I

1223
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: would hope they would be the same way with us,

1224
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: but not everybody's like that. You know, there are other

1225
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: people out there that may not feel the same way

1226
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: I do about that. But I have got a lot

1227
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: of respect for all of those people, all of everybody

1228
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: that's in the outdoor industry that tries to get it

1229
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: on camera, and you know, you're successful sometimes and unsuccessful

1230
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: more often than not.

1231
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 4: So I just have a really really high regard for

1232
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 4: everybody that does it.

1233
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 3: And I would bow out or not bow out, but

1234
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: I would hope that I could get the opportunity and

1235
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: be able to close the deal. The difference between a

1236
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: good season and a great season is killing what you

1237
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: shoot at. So that's about ninety nine percent of the

1238
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: battle too. But if someone else killed it, I'd be

1239
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: happy for him.

1240
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Moving on November tenth, you're hunting out there on

1241
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: a favorite spot of yours and you see a shooter

1242
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: buck come in following a doll and they lock up

1243
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: at one hundred yards from your stand. There's two hours

1244
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: of daylight left, and this buck is locked on a

1245
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: dough at uh yeah, one hundred yards away. What do

1246
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: you what do you do in that scenario? And they're

1247
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: not moving like they're locked down not moving.

1248
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, sit tight, and I would not change my set.

1249
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't change my strategy. I wouldn't change my plan

1250
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: because it's just as easy for him to bump her

1251
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: and nudge her, and all of a sudden she comes

1252
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 3: darting at you at twenty yards, So I would I'd

1253
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: hold pat right there.

1254
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 4: I wouldn't move.

1255
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 3: I'd i'd let the I'd let it play out. And

1256
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: if I didn't kill him one night, I'd be back

1257
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: there the next night. If he's locked onto her, I'd

1258
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 3: be back there. As a matter of fact, I might

1259
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: be back there. I'd be back somewhere else the next morning,

1260
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: close to the bedroom. If he's locked onto her, and

1261
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: if I didn't see him, then I'd go back to

1262
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: the same spot that evening. If she's coming to a

1263
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 3: clover field or biologic green food source or something, I'd

1264
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 3: be back there the same the next night, because she

1265
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: is just as apt to go right past your stand

1266
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 3: at twenty five yards.

1267
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: Will you let's let's uhl slight variation. Imagine that that

1268
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: buck is locked on the dome, but there's slowly moving

1269
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: towards the food but out of range. Okay, and will

1270
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: you throw a call out. Ever, will you try to

1271
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: do anything to influence that movement or are you gonna

1272
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: lay off and just hope that she brings him.

1273
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, November the tenth, I'd probably tipic the antlers a

1274
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 3: little bit, maybe grun at him pretty aggressively, snortweeze or something,

1275
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: just to try and turn him. If he's if he's

1276
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: got an eyesight of her, if he's got a line

1277
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: of sight and he can see her, then he might

1278
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 3: try you. But if she's out of range or something,

1279
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 3: he's not gonna leave her. If he's locked on, you

1280
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 3: can throw all everything with the kitchen sink at him,

1281
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: chances are he won't leave her.

1282
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 4: There's something about them.

1283
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: Keeping keeping an eyeball on turkey, same way they got

1284
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: to have an eyeball on him. But if he's real,

1285
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: real mature, and he's real aggressive, then I would I

1286
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 3: would try him. I would see what kind of body

1287
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: posture he had. I'd tickle him first, and if he

1288
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: snaps around and he acts like he's gonna play the game, yeah,

1289
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: then I'd get a little more aggressive with him.

1290
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: Okay, another rutal. You're in a zone where it's it's

1291
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: obviously on fire and as you've seen, like the rut

1292
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: can be on in one place and dead in another. Right,

1293
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: it could be three hundred yards apart, and it could

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Speaker 2: be a totally different experience. But let's say today you

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Speaker 2: picked the spot and happen to be where it's at.

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Speaker 2: There's a hot dough, there's some bucks running all over.

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Speaker 2: But it's about ten am on November fourth. We'll say,

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01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: in this rut, you know, just mania and your target

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01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: buck comes down wind smells you, spooks out of there,

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: but there's deer everywhere, it's on fire. Still, what do

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Speaker 2: you do?

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Speaker 3: I would sit tight on November fourth. I'd sit tight

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01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: even though he he caught us and boogered on us

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01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 3: there too, it's still that's a little early. But he

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01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: could easily pick up a dough or a dough it's

1306
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: still dragging dragging by. If they're nudge and doze around,

1307
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 3: and there's bucks just going haywire in there, there's a

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01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: really good chance that she could easily dog right past

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01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 3: your spot, or any other dough could dog past your spot,

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Speaker 3: and a buck being right behind her. So and November

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01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: fourth is just a touch on the early side where

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01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 3: they may not be an estress yet, which is the

1313
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: reason they're dogging the hell out of them. So then

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Speaker 3: I definitely would stay where I'm at. I would stay pat.

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's i'm thinking through here, how far I

1316
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 2: want to go into the future. Let's let's zoom to

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01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: the end of the year. Let's say it's late season

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: and you have had a dreadful spell of weather where

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01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: you have been waiting for that cold front, that snow

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: something to really get a crack at the buck that

1321
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: you've been after. But you can see the end of

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01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: the season now in the fourteen day forecasts, and you

1323
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: can see that you will not get that weather pattern

1324
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: you've been hoping for before the end of the year.

1325
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: But you've been waiting to try to get your last

1326
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: chance at this big buck here after. Now that you

1327
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 2: know you will not get that wonderful set of weather

1328
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 2: conditions at least, how would you approach that last week

1329
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: or two of the late season knowing that you're not

1330
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: going to get that special set of circumstances.

1331
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 3: It's amazing because it sounds like you've been hunting with

1332
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: us scenario you just described. I can't tell you how

1333
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 3: many times that's happened. Where we're sitting over standing corn,

1334
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 3: standing beans, and then we got crappy weather and they're

1335
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,959
Speaker 3: not coming to a food source. They just simply aren't

1336
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 3: eating it. So I still hunt it. I still go there.

1337
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: We hope that, you know, the food will suck them

1338
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 3: in there, and it's an attracting obviously that you know.

1339
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 3: But when it's a scenario like you just painted, where

1340
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 3: the weather's warm, there is no need to feed, and

1341
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 3: they'll wait until the weather does change to where they do.

1342
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 3: You know, they do finally get it in February or March,

1343
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they're all on food.

1344
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 3: But I'll still hunt it. We're still gonna go. We're

1345
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 3: gonna sit there, we're gonna have our head in our hands,

1346
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: we're gonna be pissed off, you know, and we'll be

1347
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 3: bitching about the weather.

1348
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1349
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,959
Speaker 3: And but we're and then we go home and we're

1350
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: and we're gonna go.

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01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 4: We never saw a thing.

1352
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: We didn't see it, dear, or we saw two doughs,

1353
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: or we saw a spike in a dough, and so

1354
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna hunt it. But uh, that scenario is

1355
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: a bad one.

1356
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: And so you would still hunt the same kind of spots.

1357
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: You would not change the kinds of spots, correct.

1358
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 4: I would.

1359
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. By then, you know, we're we're strictly concentrated on

1360
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 3: food pretty much. And I would stay concentrated on food

1361
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 3: because at that time they're still bedded close. You know,

1362
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: even though the weather's warm, they're still bedded nearby. It's

1363
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 3: food bed bed to feed. You know that that range

1364
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: shrinks that time of year. So I'd still hunt that

1365
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: food source. And you never know, I mean, they can

1366
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: always just stand up out of their bed. They come,

1367
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: nibble for a little while, and then go lay back down,

1368
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: So I would still sit that spot.

1369
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: Last set of questions rapid fire. So it's gonna be

1370
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 2: a either or answer. I'll give you two options and

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: you pick. We're gonna go through this really quick, and

1372
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: then I've got one last tough scenario for you, and

1373
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: this will Yeah, We'll just we'll go with this. What

1374
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: matters more to deer movement? The moon or barometric pressure?

1375
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 4: Parametric pressure?

1376
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white

1377
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: tail wave your bow? Yes?

1378
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: Or no? Not anymore? No?

1379
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: If you could only have one of these tools for

1380
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 2: the rest of your hunts, which would it be a

1381
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: set of rattling antlers or a grunt.

1382
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 4: Tube rattling antlers.

1383
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: If you had well, this one might be too easy

1384
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: for expandable or fixed play broadhead.

1385
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 4: Expandable.

1386
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, should you stop? Yeah? That was gonna say very

1387
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: specific options. What you would choose Should you stop a

1388
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: buck with some kind of sound before shooting it? This

1389
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: is with a bow? Yes or no?

1390
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:04,919
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yes?

1391
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I am in control of hunting privileges across the nation.

1392
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: Let's say hypothetically, and I'm going to take away your

1393
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 2: hunting license for any state in the country for the

1394
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: rest of your life unless you can kill a five

1395
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 2: year old buck this year. Okay, If you kill a

1396
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 2: five year a buck this year, you get to keep

1397
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: on hunting as always. If you don't, that's your last season.

1398
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: The hitch is that you only get one day to

1399
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: do it and one stand or blind location to do

1400
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: it from. I would like I'd like you to pick

1401
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: the date on the calendar that you choose for this hunt,

1402
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: and then I would like you to paint me a

1403
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: picture of the spot you would choose exactly. This could

1404
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: be a real life location that you think would give

1405
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: you the best chance, or you can just paint a hypothetical,

1406
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: but give me the best date to kill this five

1407
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: year old buck in a very high stake situation, and

1408
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 2: then exactly what a setup you would have.

1409
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's a toughie. That's a tough question because

1410
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 3: we've got so many spots. But I'd go on camera

1411
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 3: information and our history from last year, and as we

1412
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: talked about earlier, we sat in tree stands over and

1413
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 3: over and over and over last year, and I had

1414
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 3: a five year old buck that was walking under us

1415
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 3: every morning, and we passed him every morning. I'd go

1416
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,839
Speaker 3: back to that same spot. We call it it's logging

1417
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 3: road too. It's in the middle of my farm, smack

1418
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 3: dab in the center. It's a lot of white oaks

1419
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 3: in and around there. It'd be November the tenth. It

1420
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: would be twenty five degrees, you know, thirty point three

1421
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 3: four barometer thirty point three five and rising. I'd have

1422
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 3: a southwesterly wind eight to ten mile an hour.

1423
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 4: We'd get in there.

1424
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 3: Plenty early, and I would just lock in and sit there,

1425
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: and he's going to walk under and I'm gonna drill

1426
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 3: him in about seventeen yards.

1427
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 4: He's gonna die on camera.

1428
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: I love it, and then you can hunt the rest

1429
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: of your day as a happy man. I have faith, Terry.

1430
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: I do believe you would get it done. I do

1431
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 2: believe it.

1432
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 3: Fortunately, last year he was about one twenty. This year

1433
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 3: he's going to be about one to twenty five.

1434
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: Well, can't you can't eat can't eat antlers? You can

1435
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: eat age, I guess because you just there's some more

1436
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: meat on the bone. So there's always that.

1437
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 4: Well, and we like to try and give him a chance.

1438
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 3: If he's gonna blow, we think maybe he'll do it

1439
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: at six, or maybe he'll do it at seven, So

1440
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 3: we give him an opportunity. But if but if I'm

1441
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: going to lose a license or keep a lifetime license,

1442
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and take him.

1443
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm right there with you, Terry. What what can

1444
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: folks look forward to this coming season when it comes

1445
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: to what you guys have in the works. Is there

1446
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: any new projects, anything new with the deer Cast app

1447
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: anything that people should be keeping an eye o for.

1448
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 4: You know, deer Cast.

1449
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 3: Has been really a uh what would you call the

1450
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 3: labor of love. We have absolutely poured a heart and

1451
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 3: souls into it. We've got thirteen influencers in the algorithm

1452
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: that we feel like we've tweaked it and tweaked it

1453
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 3: and tweaked it to where it's pretty dog on accurate

1454
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 3: barring no outside intrusion. You know, somebody on a four

1455
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 3: wheel or a coyote running through a guy mending fence,

1456
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,879
Speaker 3: somebody cutting wood that can alter deer movement very very easily.

1457
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: But if they're undisturbed, the Deer cast app is extremely

1458
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 3: accurate and on point as far as the predictive models

1459
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 3: as to when a white tail is going to get

1460
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 3: up on their feet and move during daylight hours, and

1461
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 3: we would we'd take it, take it to the bank

1462
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 3: because it's worked for us extremely well. We're continuing to

1463
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 3: improve that, you know, with the tracking features and with

1464
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 3: the rain stations and all the way points, and there's

1465
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 3: just a wide array of things that are that are

1466
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 3: within that. Uh, you know, the daily the daily journal

1467
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 3: that's in there each and every day. We've got a

1468
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 3: writers that write stories that are always interesting. People can

1469
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 3: send their information in their pictures in We love seeing

1470
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 3: what other people are killing throughout the country and when

1471
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 3: they're killing it. That's a great, great way to key

1472
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: in on when of what's happening when you start seeing

1473
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 3: those big giants fall and you're seeing pictures on deer Cast,

1474
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 3: pretty good chance you could say, oh, I need to

1475
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 3: be there right now. It also gives you a fifteen

1476
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 3: day predictive model where you can say, you know what,

1477
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 3: I need to take two or three days of vacation,

1478
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 3: So you can look at it ahead of time and

1479
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: say that, man, there's a good or a great you know,

1480
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 3: in and around this particular period, so you can kind

1481
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 3: of plan your vacation out a little bit ahead of time.

1482
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 3: But deer Cast the predictive model changes as the weather changes.

1483
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: So if it goes from a great to a poor,

1484
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 3: that's not our fault. That just meant that god God's

1485
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 3: sense of poor weather that you described while ago, you know,

1486
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 3: a really really poor scenario, bad barometer, bad wind, you know,

1487
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 3: high temperatures and they're just not moving. So with that,

1488
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 3: we're still working on all the television shows and still

1489
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 3: doing a lot of stuff on YouTube. Our YouTube channel's

1490
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 3: just been going off the charts, big numbers, and we

1491
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: still love doing it. I mean Mark and I both

1492
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 3: Matt Taylor, we're just ate up with it. And White

1493
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 3: Tails have been our thing for a long long time,

1494
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 3: from early childhood on. Mark and I are just absolutely

1495
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: enamored with him. He always says they're playing chess, we're

1496
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: playing checkers, and he's not wrong. We're students of the game,

1497
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: and we'll continue to learn and.

1498
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 4: Hope that we can help somebody else.

1499
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 3: That's what we've all always been about, is sharing information

1500
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 3: and hoping that somebody else can kill a big deer

1501
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 3: because of what we're sharing.

1502
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, you guys have certainly lived up to that goal.

1503
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: You've helped a lot of folks out, myself included. So

1504
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: thank you. Thank you for that, Terry, and thanks with

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Speaker 2: us Chet as always, I've really enjoyed him.

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Speaker 3: I loved it too. Thank you for those scenarios. Those

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Speaker 3: sounded like they were coming from an extremely, extremely professional hunter.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're someone who's screwed up a lot, and it's

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Speaker 2: still trying to figure out how to learn from those mistakes.

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Speaker 2: So somewhere between, maybe let's chat again soon, Terry.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Mark.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, buddy, all right, and that's going to

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Speaker 2: do it for us today. Thank you all for joining

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Speaker 2: me for today's episode. Really enjoy my chat with Terry.

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Speaker 2: Please go and subscribe to the Jury Outdoors YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: They've got their one hundred percent While podcast, which actually

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Speaker 2: helped them start maybe like eight nine years ago. We

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Speaker 2: co hosted it for a year or two. Matt and

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Speaker 2: crew continue to do a great job over there, so

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Speaker 2: check that out. Check off the Deercast app, the you know, Mark, Terry,

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Speaker 2: Matt Taylor. They're all doing great work. I appreciate them,

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Speaker 2: so check it out, give them some love, and until

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Speaker 2: next time, thank you for tuning into this podcast, and

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Speaker 2: stay wired to Hunt