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This is the Jesse Kelly Show. 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: There are days on this show where we cover cool stories, battles, sieges, weapons, generals, 21 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: sometimes it's not warfare related at all. Sometimes we cover explorers, 22 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: things like that, crazy adventures. Let me just tell you 23 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: right now, this is not one of those days. Today. 24 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: You have been warned. As of right now, it's getting 25 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: dark in here? What would you do to stay alive? 26 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: What wouldn't you do? Is probably a better question, because 27 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: that's a difficult one to answer, right, What would you 28 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: do to stay alive? You don't know what? You don't 29 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: know what you're being presented with. I don't know a 30 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: lot I want to live, right, it's probably what you're thinking, 31 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: what wouldn't you do? Stay alive? I guess I should 32 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: ask what are your boundaries in life? You have a 33 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: moral code of some kind? Undoubtedly everybody does, maybe based 34 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: on your belief in God, your nonbelief in God, maybe 35 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: based on your parents. But you have some sort of 36 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: a moral code. Even the most low down, dirty scumbag 37 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: criminal has a code of some kind, not not one 38 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: you would want, but they have one. Isis isis guys 39 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: had a moral code relearly not one you want to follow, 40 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: But to have a moral code, what wouldn't you do? 41 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: What I'm asking is you will do this or you 42 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: will die? What is the this or to take it 43 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: one final step further, Picture the person you love the 44 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: most in this world. Let's set you aside. Maybe you're selfless. 45 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Maybe you're one of those people got a good heart 46 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: or people take two or three of them. Maybe it's 47 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: your wife, Maybe it's your husband. Your children, not just 48 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: your children, your young children age of three, seven, ten, 49 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: twelve years old. Maybe your kids are older. Picture them 50 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: at that age. If they are, look at them in 51 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: their eyes, what wouldn't you do to make sure they live? 52 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: Eighteen forty six United States of America kind of eighteen 53 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: forty six United States of America is not what you 54 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: picture now. Remember we didn't really have complete control of 55 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: the country yet. Oh we had the Louisiana purchase, as 56 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: you well know because you listen to this show. But 57 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: we had Oregon territory, we had ca California territory. These 58 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: things are under dispute. Actually during our story, war is 59 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: going to kick off with Mexico over a lot of 60 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: this stuff. But people are moving west at this time, 61 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: and I need to clarify something right off the bat, 62 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: something we all need to be aware of, because history 63 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: gets this wrong, and narratives get this wrong a lot 64 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: when there is a gold rush eighteen forty nine gold 65 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: Rush and other gold rushes. Gold rushes prompt people who 66 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: are poorer to take big risks to go get rich. 67 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: They also prompt rich people to go out and get richer. 68 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: They don't, and we'll go into that sum of that 69 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: here in a little bit. However, when there are no 70 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: gold rushes the United States of America, the government itself 71 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: has a more difficult time than you think getting people 72 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: to move into the territory. You need or you're America, 73 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: you own it, you need people to move into it. 74 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: That is a fact. The member possession is nine tenths 75 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: of the law. You can say you own it all 76 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: you want unless you have settlements there, towns there, civilization there. 77 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: It ain't yours yet, so you need people to move there. 78 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: And it's not that easy to get people to move there. 79 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: And what I say, the reason we get this wrong 80 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: sometimes is we picture all the people moving west in 81 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: a covered wagon, this destitute family just out there trying 82 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,679 Speaker 1: to trying to find a way to make a buck ah. 83 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: That applies oftentimes to a gold rush period of time, 84 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: but in between rushes of something specific, it was actually 85 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: middle class, upper middle class and wealthy people who were 86 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: doing lots of the migrating. Why because they were the 87 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: only ones who could afford it. Wagons covered wagon you 88 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: can picture in your mind on you know, you're picturing 89 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: it right now. That's a car to them. That's a car, 90 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: probably more than a car financially to them, because not 91 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: only do you have to get the wagon to move 92 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: out west, you have to equip the wagon with a 93 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Let me ask you something not to 94 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: nerd out on the details here. Think about your bank 95 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: account right now. Hopefully you're doing well, maybe you're not. 96 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: How many months worth of food and supplies necessary supplies 97 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: your family need? How many months of that do you 98 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: have in your bank account right now? Have I told 99 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: you go buy as many months worth of food as 100 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: you could with just what you have right now? How 101 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: much could you buy exactly? Chris, Chris is look at 102 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: it is right now? Oh, I know, I know all 103 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: this works. Well, you have to do that for the 104 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: strip out west. The wagon costs, the supplies for the 105 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: wagon costs. If you can't do it yourself, and many 106 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: times people couldn't, you have to hire people to run 107 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: the animals to run the wagon. Oh and did I 108 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: mention the animals? There's another car? Are you picking up 109 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: what I'm putting down here? It's not easy and it's 110 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: not cheap to pack up your family and move across 111 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: the country, Which brings us to a name that you 112 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: may recognize where we're going today if you haven't figured 113 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: it out already. The year is eighteen forty six, and 114 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: the family's name is the Donner family. We're talking about 115 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: the Donner Party now. It should be noted, and this 116 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: is going to be a critical part of our story, 117 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: the Donner family. We'll get to how it got called 118 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: the Donner Party in just a little bit. The Donner 119 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: family is actually not the main protagonist, anti tagonist, anti 120 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: hero of the story. It's actually the Read family. There 121 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: are more, there's more than just these two, but it's 122 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: the Donners and the Reads. They're separate. They are both rich. 123 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: No I'm not talking Carnegie oil tycoon rich, but they're 124 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: very upper middle class people think of half million a 125 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: year type person. They're doing quite well. They have their 126 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: own little shop, so on and so forth. They decide 127 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: they have opportunities out west because people like that are 128 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: always looking for a new investment in a new way, 129 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: and they are going out to make their fortune, and 130 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: they do it all the way. When it comes to 131 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: this Donner party, they get with several others. Again, contrary 132 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: to that image you have in your mind of the 133 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: single family alone rolling across the plains. Not that that 134 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: didn't happen. It did, but in general, these migrations west 135 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: they happened with as many people together as humanly possible. 136 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: Why because it's a whole lot safer. You need companions. 137 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: But the Donners and the Reeds they pull together everything 138 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: they need, the wagons, multiple multiple wagons, the ox and 139 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: the cattle horses, teamsters to drive them, and they're aiming west. 140 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: Hang on, This is a Jesse Kelly show. Gold needs 141 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: to be part of your portfolio. And this gets confusing 142 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: when you start talking about gold because there's so many 143 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: fly by night companies out there and so much misinformation 144 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: out there. I am not telling you to go get 145 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: a pirate's chest full of gold. Actually maybe I should 146 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: tell you that, because that'd be awesome. But no, there's 147 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: such thing as a gold ira. You know what iras are, 148 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: in roth iras, there's a gold ira. Gold iras are 149 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: a great way to diversify your portfolio and make sure 150 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: some of your assets are safer than others. You've seen 151 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: the dow. You know about the election. You know what 152 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: happens in election season. Fortunes are made, fortunes are lost. 153 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: Go to Gold Alliance dot com slash Jesse. That's Gold 154 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Alliance dot com slash Jesse. Go get your gold Ira 155 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: and get it today the Jesse Kelly Show. Now there's 156 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: something you need to know about each of these families, 157 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: and it's going to come into play today. Okay. The 158 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: Donners appear to be, and I did plenty of reading 159 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: on this last night, they appear to be relatively unassuming people. 160 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean just kind of laid back, not too boisterous, 161 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: not to anything, relatively unassuming people. The reads, again, the 162 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: reads are more the focus of this story. Mister Reid 163 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: is not unassuming. He is, as you're going to see 164 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: as we follow along here, wildly unpopular within the group. 165 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: He comes off as I just everybody, every every account 166 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: says this and the crazy thing and the creepy thing. 167 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: I highly recommend you dig more into it than I'm 168 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: gonna give you today. Although I'm probably gonna go along today. 169 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm giving you a lot. You can have letters 170 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: and diaries from the people in the party, and they 171 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: are heartbreaking and they're hard. I actually watched a documentary 172 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: on this a long time ago. Gosh, I think it 173 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: was called The Donner Party by Rick Burns. You know, 174 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: Ken Burns does all those great documentaries. I believe, I 175 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: believe Rick is his brother, and his brother did one, 176 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: and he had lots of the letters and he would 177 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: read it in there and oh, heavy, heavy, it's on PBS. 178 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: Rich no way, all right, cool, there you go. But 179 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: Reed comes off poorly, very poorly, A very headstrong guy, 180 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: aristocratic guy. They had an extra luxury wagon built just 181 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: for them, two stories, extra wide, with a stove in it. 182 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: The kind of people who and I have no problem obviously, 183 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: as you know, I've no problem with rich people or 184 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: poor people. I really kind of get along with all 185 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: of them. As long as you're not a jerk about 186 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: being poor or a jerk about being rich. That's all 187 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: I care about. However, there's also a certain way to 188 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: conduct yourself in certain circles. Everybody knows the guy who 189 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: has to tell you how much money he makes, how 190 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: many houses he has, Look at my jet skis, Oh, 191 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: did I tell you about my wife's jewelry? Did I 192 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: mention how much money I spent on it? And guess what. 193 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you're this person, but you need to 194 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: hear this. Nobody likes that guy, nobody in the history. 195 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: And I understand it comes from a place of insecurity. 196 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: That's why you talk like that. Nobody in the history 197 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: of mankind has heard you describe your second house, how 198 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: much you spent on your car and walked away thinking, 199 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, that guy's really cool. It's never happened in history. 200 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: Everybody internally rolls their eyes. That sounds like mister Reid. 201 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: He really rubbed people the wrong way. They gather together 202 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: and they take off and remember it's more than just 203 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: the Donners and reads. There's other families. There's guys driving 204 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: the wagons. There's a bunch of single dudes along outstriking adventure. 205 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: They are heading out west for the big adventure and 206 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: they have a plan, a different plan. There's a man 207 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: by the name of Lanceford Hastings. Lanceford Hastings is this hustler. 208 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: Maybe that's unfair to him. He comes off like a 209 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: guy with delusions of grandeur. He sees himself as being 210 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: I read something on it. He saw himself as being 211 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: the next Sam Houston. You know, Sam Houston basically founded Texas, 212 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: the first governor of Texas. He's it's, you know that 213 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Lanceford Hastings sees himself as being that 214 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: only in California. He pens in a newsletter to California immigrants, 215 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: people who want to go there, and as part of 216 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: this newsletter, he tells them, this route you've all been 217 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: taken to California. It's totally wrong. That is a long way. 218 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: He has something he calls the Hastings cut off, where 219 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: instead of looping around the Great Salt Desert and looping 220 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: around the Sierra Nevadas, I have a route through each 221 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: of them, and it can save you three or four 222 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: hundred miles. It's easy to scoff at something like that, 223 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: but remember, let's keep this in mind. I don't know 224 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: how you operate. Maybe not this way. I have three 225 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: or four different routes home from the studio. I Google 226 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: map them every day before I leave to see which 227 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: one is one minute faster than the other. I mean, 228 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: I read this story, and I watch things on this story, 229 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: and I'm doing the same things you're doing. Don't take 230 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: the shortcut in it. It's not even proven. Take to 231 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: one everybody knows. But then I think about myself, and 232 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: I think three or four hundred miles by wagon at best, 233 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna see they're making fifteen miles a day in 234 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: the wagon. At worse two, what's three or four hundred 235 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: miles equal? There enough to pass that up. But that's 236 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: the route they decide they're going to take. But keep 237 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: in mind you don't just veer off towards Hastings cut 238 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: off right away. You joined with a gigantic wagon train 239 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: of all kinds of different people at first to head 240 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: out west. This is much much more than just the 241 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: Donner Party you would know of right now. It's a 242 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: gigantic wagon train. Again, for safety, everybody goes to Independence Missouri. 243 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: Independence Missouri at that time was basically the furthest west 244 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: civilized society went. And because of that, Independence Missouri got fabulously, 245 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: fabulously wealthy. You learned the real money isn't in going 246 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 1: out west, it's in going to the post that sets 247 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: people up to go out west. I'm not going out west. 248 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to sell wagon axels. I'm gonna sell salt. 249 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell sugar. I'm gonna sell this. I'm gonna 250 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: sell that to the people who are going west. It's 251 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: no different than we mentioned the gold booms. You know 252 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: who got wealthy in the gold booms. It wasn't the 253 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: guy's panning for nuggets gold in the river, although a 254 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: few of them did. It was the guy who set 255 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: up shop and sold them the pickaxes they need to 256 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: go do all that stuff. Those were the guys who 257 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: got really wealthy. Make your living selling things to the suckers, 258 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: not being one of them. Everyone gathers an independence, Missouri, 259 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: And with the exception of the Hastings cut off plan, 260 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: this is not a half cocked journey here. Again, these 261 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: are wealthy people, and they have planned this, and they've 262 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: hired professionals they have This is fine, right as up 263 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: right now, everything's fine. Remember that Hastings cut off newsletter 264 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: I just talked about though, about how he has a 265 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 1: different route out west. Hastings had never actually tried it. Actually, 266 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: more specifically, he'd never actually tried it in a wagon 267 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: and certainly not in a wagon train. Nevertheless, he pens 268 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: this long newsletter. People eat it up, and he wants 269 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: people to take his routes. This is a man trying 270 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: to establish himself, make his fortune. And they in big 271 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: wagon trains like this realize that you're going to have 272 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: an entire gamut of people. You're gonna have old men, 273 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: old women, young men, bachelor's singles, you're gonna have. You're 274 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: gonna have really good people in there. You're gonna have 275 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: really bad people in there. It's just the nature of 276 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: getting together a whole bunch of strangers and heading to 277 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: a new place. That's the way it goes. They start 278 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: heading out west and tragedy comes almost immediately. Hang on, 279 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: we're running into our first bit of tragedy. I guess 280 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: I maybe oversold the tragedy part at first. Grandma dies. 281 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: The read Grandma dies. It's not as if Grandma dying 282 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: is not a tragedy. But it wasn't some tragic accident 283 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: or something like that. It was she's old, she wanted 284 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: to come along. She wasn't in the best health according 285 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: to many sources when she left. And this is hard living. 286 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: And you see people run into this time and time again, 287 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: with various adventures they go on. You definitely see city 288 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: people run into this. A lot of you get. You 289 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: get an idea in your mind of what something is, 290 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: and it turns out that's not what something is. Luxury 291 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: double decker wagon or not. Life in a wagon train 292 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: is not enjoyable one, and it certainly ain't comfortable too. 293 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: And you know what, the food ain't great eighteen hundreds 294 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: or not. When they're back at their place where they 295 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: left from, you have a little steak for dinner. Yeah, 296 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: a little extra seasoning laying around him that steaks a 297 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: little better. Oh, you know what, we've been home all day. 298 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: One of our servants made her homemade hot apple pie. Oh, 299 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: little homemade whipped cream with it too. You ain't eat 300 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: no apple pies out there in the wagon train, or 301 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: not many of them, I should say, even though the 302 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: Reeds again did bring a personal chef along. Remember when 303 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I said the Reeds rubbed people the wrong way? They 304 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: had a personal chef. You understand what I mean. Lifetist 305 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: gets harder, she passes on. I did think it was 306 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: pretty cool. I don't know why I find this part cool. 307 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: They buried or there, put a headstone on it, and 308 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: they're heading out west. Remember this is still the big, 309 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: big wagon train portion. This is not just the Donners 310 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: and reads yet Grandma dies. They get out to Fort Laramie. 311 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: Fort Laramie is one of these humongous forts, and it's 312 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: essentially what you need to think of. You need to 313 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: think of Fort Laramie a couple of different ways. One, 314 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: it's a big fort where everybody going west is going 315 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: to go there. They're going to go there, They're going 316 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: to resupply, they're going to figure out what's what. They're 317 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: gonna get word about what's out west because people from 318 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: out west are constantly coming back now spreading word around. 319 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: We're having trouble with these Indian tribes here. Avoid that 320 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: this territory is doing this. There's you know, word of 321 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: mouth was something that saved your life back then, so 322 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: you were always leaning on the understanding of people who 323 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: had just come the way you're going. This is wild 324 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: country and anybody who's ever been out west, I grew 325 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: up in the Rocky Mountains. I'm telling you. I know 326 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: you're from Texas and you think your country, you don't 327 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: have any idea what country is Jack. It is wild 328 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: out there and inhospitable, to put it mildly, and I'm 329 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: not taught, and I didn't grow up in an era 330 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: where somebody could take my scalp while I slept. You 331 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: go into the mountains, the plains, the foothills out there, 332 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: you feel like a tiny speck on God's foot. That's 333 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: what it feels like. It is wild and dangerous, and 334 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: the weather can kill you, and the animals can kill you, 335 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: and it's nuts. How do you think it was? In 336 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: eighteen forty six? They get to Fort Laramie and Read 337 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: and he is He takes a lot of blame for 338 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: what's going to happen in our story today, a lot 339 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: of blame, and I'm not here to absolve the man 340 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: from it. You just know I don't like I don't 341 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: like people who were only painted as villains in history 342 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: because I often find, if you dig a little more, 343 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: that's some propaganda, that's people always wanting someone to blame. However, 344 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: there is no escape and there's no excuse for what 345 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: happens here at Fort Laramie, Read and others personally meet 346 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 1: with a long established, forty seven year old mountain man 347 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: who had just come from out west. This is a 348 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: man who lives, eats, sleeps, and breathes in the wilderness. 349 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: If he tells you he can smell that rain's coming 350 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: three weeks from now, Rain's coming three weeks from now. 351 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: Those mountain men were just, I mean, the ultimate survivalists. 352 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: Not only had he just come from out west, he 353 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: had come from out west taking the Hastings cut off. 354 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: That the Donner party he wants to take. You know, 355 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: that short cut, the untried shortcut. He sits down and 356 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: tells them in no uncertain terms. He does not beat 357 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: around the bush. Do not take this route. You should 358 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: go the normal route out west. Everyone else goes this 359 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: Hastings cut off is an absolute death trap for a 360 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: wagon train. If you took the normal route, it would 361 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: be difficult. He tells them this. If you took the 362 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: normal route, it would be difficult. This route means death. 363 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: Do not do it, and read ignores him. I know, 364 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: I know, Chris just gave me that look. I think 365 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: about it every time too. Again, read one of those guys, Nah, 366 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: it's a short cut. I have a newsletter right here, 367 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: and they're in communication with Lansford Hastings himself, who's ahead 368 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: of them, telling them, Oh, the route is awesome. I'll 369 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: meet you at the next Fort West. If you take 370 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: the cutoff route. There's a fort called Fort Bridger. I'm 371 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: gonna meet you there. But here's what's wild about Fort Laramie. 372 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: Fort Laramie. For the people heading west, Fort Laramie is 373 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: the point of no return, meaning there were plenty people 374 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: who by the time they got to Fort Laramie, remember 375 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: this trip, had already killed Grandma. By the time they 376 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: got to Fort Laramie, they realized, Okay, this this wild 377 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: West adventure thing not for me. I'm gonna go ahead 378 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: and go right on back home. And many people did. 379 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: And this is where you did that. This was decision 380 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: making time. You just hop on another train heading back 381 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: the other way, and you're fine. However, once you pass 382 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: Fort Laramie, you don't go home. You can't go home, 383 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: you can't go back. You have to basically get out 384 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: west now, because it's closer to get out west than 385 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: it is back to Fort Laramie. They take off from 386 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: Fort Laramie, and this is right about the time they 387 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: have the great split. And I think about this moment, 388 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: and actually you can Google image search this moment. I 389 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think the picture on Google 390 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: image is exactly of the Donner party. That would be 391 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: way too big of a coincidence. Pictures weren't common enough 392 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: back then. But there is the moment where if you 393 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: go right, you go with the normal wagon train. You 394 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: take this wide loop around the Great Salt Desert and 395 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: the Sierra Nevada Mountains. This is the standard route, well 396 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: worn wagon trails. Even that route was difficult, but standard, 397 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: and that's where almost everybody wins. Or this young hot 398 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: shot Lansford Hastings has this cut off. He says it's shorter, 399 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: or you can go left and you can take the 400 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: Hastings cut off route and save yourself some time. This 401 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: is where the Donners and the Reeds and some others 402 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: they went left when almost the entire wagon train went right. 403 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: They are now heading towards Fort Bridger. They get to 404 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: Fort Bridger, and we need to talk about Fort Bridger 405 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: in the man who established Fort Bridger for a moment. 406 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: You know how much I love how history ties together 407 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: and everything melds together. Do you remember a long time 408 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: ago I did a show on Hugh Glass, the mountain 409 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: Man who was attacked by the bear and basically crawled 410 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: for two hundred miles through the wilderness because he had 411 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: been left abandoned in the wilderness by his two mountain 412 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: man friends. They thought he was dead basically, or was 413 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: about to die. One of the those two mountain men 414 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: who left him was a man by the name of 415 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: Jim Bridger. And don't worry if you missed the Huge 416 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: Glass Story one. There's kind of a cool movie about 417 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: it called The Revenant. Two. I'm gonna do another Huge 418 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: Glass Story one of these days. Don't work, Let's talk 419 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: about Jim Bridger. Hang on, Jesse Kelly, You're never completely 420 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: ready to adopt a teen. For late nights writing English 421 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: papers are your teen's music taste, for dinners where they 422 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: talk more on their phone than with you. For the 423 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: first time they call your mom. 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And the major I mean, there 443 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: are mountain ranges all around it, but the major mountain 444 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: range that's essentially touching Bozeman is the Bridger Mountains. It's 445 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: Bridger everything. The ski the ski resort is Bridger Bowl. 446 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: This man is famous out west. At this point he 447 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: has established Fort Bridger. He's established Fort Bridger with some 448 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: shops in places people can resupply along the Hastings cut off. 449 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: He's a man trying to make some money for himself, 450 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: not being an entrepreneur, but he's also a man, one 451 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: very famous. All these people would have heard of him well, 452 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: thought of invested in the Hastings cut off being successful. 453 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: They get to Fort Bridger and I don't want to 454 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,479 Speaker 1: sit and act like this was a universal thing that 455 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: everybody in the group was totally onboard with taking this shortcut. 456 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: The women, reportedly, especially in the group, were not on 457 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: board with this shortcut. They wanted to go the other way. 458 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: Apparently they took a big vote and none of the 459 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: women got to vote. All the men thirteen and older 460 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: got to vote. And then it said if the women 461 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: got to vote, they would not have gone this way. 462 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: Maybe the only time in history women voting would have 463 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: helped quit Chris. We could make jokes, but truth is, 464 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: the women didn't want to go. Many of the men 465 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: didn't want to go. People are apprehensive. They get to 466 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 1: Fort Bridger in one Hastings of course isn't there. He'd 467 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: taken off a few days beforehand with another bigger wag 468 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: wagon train leaves him a note saying I'll just catch 469 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: up or I'll be back. It's sorry I had to 470 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: move on. They talked to Bridger and Bridger tells them, oh, 471 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: it's fine. You should act. This is the way to go. 472 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: You are in luck. This is the way to go here, 473 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: and we need to take a moment here because it's 474 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: going to get to a point in our story where 475 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: this is going to matter. This wagon train, the Donner Party, 476 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: they were lackadaisical, to put it mildly, when it comes 477 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: to speed, they were really, like I said, they come 478 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: off they come off hard, like a privileged, wealthy, upper 479 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: middle class family or group of people who are used 480 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: to comfort. And these trips are all, every single one 481 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: of them timed and timed for a reason. You must 482 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: be here by this point. You must be here by 483 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: this point, not for you know, some kind of weird, weird, 484 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: random schedule, because if you don't, you're gonna die. The 485 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: weather is going to kill you. You have to be 486 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: across this point by this point. You have to be 487 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: across this point by September fifteenth, by October first. You 488 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: have to be here by this point. You have to 489 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: be here. And yet the story of them so far 490 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: already is Oh man, that was a tough couple of days. 491 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: Let's take a couple of days by this river. Oh, 492 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: look at how pretty this is. Look at the prairie. 493 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: Can we take a couple days here? Oh, you know what, 494 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: grandma's tired. Can we take an extra day? And it's 495 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: this time and time and time again, not once throughout 496 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 1: the story. There's a day here, a day there, three 497 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: days here, four days there, of things like this. Remember 498 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: I said that, Remember I said that. They push on 499 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: from Fort Bridger. They find a note from Lansford Hastings 500 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: tied to a post in the road, saying ahead, the 501 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: road is bad. You should try to find me, and 502 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to find you a new you know, 503 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: we'll try to figure out something. Read by now is 504 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: starting to get a little nervous, mister read. This is 505 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: going very very poorly, very poorly. Remember when I said 506 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: in the beginning that would go various distances, but roughly 507 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: fifteen miles a day. That's a big oversimplification. Some days 508 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: would be better, some days it would be worse. There now, 509 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: because there is no trail, they're hacking their way through it. 510 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: This is going poorly. They're now getting like two miles 511 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: a day. Reid is mad. Reid gets on a horse 512 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: and books it on ahead and catches up with Hastings 513 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: and gives it to him, What is wrong with you? 514 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: Where are you? You didn't wait for us? This trail sucks. 515 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: You said all this worked? And now remember he's embarrassed. 516 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: This was Reed's idea, This was Reid who pushed for this. 517 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: Help me out. Now hasting says, oh, oh sorry, I 518 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: mean no, I'm not coming back with you. I can't 519 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: do that. Here, try this route, try, try, try going 520 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: this other way. Instead, Reid goes back. People are now 521 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 1: getting very upset and starting to cuss this Lanceford Hastings, 522 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: who's not where he says he's going to be. And 523 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: soon we get another death and now it's about to 524 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: get right. One in three adults has pre diabetes one 525 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: in three. That means it could be you your football buddy, 526 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: your fruitball buddy, or you your best man, your worst man. 527 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: You you're a dogwalker, your cat jugger. While one in 528 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: three adults has pre diabetes. With early diagnosis, pre diabetes 529 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: can be reversed. Take the risk test at do I 530 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: have pre diabetes dot org? That's do I have pre 531 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: diabetes dot org? Wait did they just say one in 532 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: three adults has pre diabetes. That's thirty three point three 533 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: three three through three percent of adults. That means it 534 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: could be me my boss or my boss's boss, or 535 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 1: me my favorite sister or my other sister. That's seven 536 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: members of my twenty one person romantic book club. Wait, 537 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: the one in three could be me my karaoke partner 538 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: Carol or my karaoke enemy, Jeff. I'm gonna take the 539 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: risk test that do I have pre diabetes dot org 540 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: brought to you by the ad Council, and it's pre 541 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: Diabetes Awareness Partners. Somebody else dies. He dies of consumption, 542 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: and in general, consumption means tuberculosis. I don't want to 543 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: say this guy died of tuberculosis, though, because medical diagnosis 544 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: wasn't the best back in the time, and consumption oftentimes 545 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: meant a lot of different things. All they say is 546 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: he died of consumption. All right, Okay, They're marching on 547 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: and they get to the Great Salt Desert, the Great 548 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: Salt Flat, and they get to the edge of this 549 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: vast expanse of waterless hell. And there's another note from 550 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: Hastings saying two days hard riding to water. And they're thinking, okay, 551 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: well that's that's not ideal, but we can do this. 552 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: We got our oxy we got our cattle. We got 553 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: some horses. Let's start gathering supplies two days worth. Hang on, 554 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Jesse Kelly Show. This is the 555 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. It is time to take on the 556 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: Great Salt Desert. They acquire a bunch of water, a 557 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: bunch of what they think they'll need, mainly for the 558 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: oxen and themselves. And keep in mind, in oxen, one 559 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: drinks twenty gallons of water in a day once. The 560 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: last time you picked up one gallon of water. Now 561 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: picture a bunch of oxen needing twenty gallons of water 562 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: a day. How much in supplies do you have to 563 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: gather to make it two days across the salt desert. 564 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: But they want to be safe, so they pack for 565 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: three days across the salt desert. And they start churning 566 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: across the salt desert and find out there's a reason 567 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: everybody has avoided the salt desert. It is a living hell, 568 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: scorching hot, no water, no nothing, and it does this 569 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: weird thing where this salty mud, bubbly marsh stuff actually 570 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: makes your wagons sink and break. The group actually ends 571 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: up getting a little bit separated from each other and 572 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: it ain't two days. After three days, they still can't 573 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: see the end of it. And now they're running out 574 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: of food, and now the Oxen are starting to go 575 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: insane with thirst. In fact, read surprise, surprise, who got 576 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: separated from the group. His teamster hand, his guy running 577 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: the team untied them, his oxen took off almost all 578 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: of them because they were mad with thirst, took off 579 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: to go find oxen. The Reads almost died at this 580 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: moment because they had to abandon their wagons their luxury wagons, 581 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: take only what they could carry, and walk trying to 582 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: catch up to the rest of the group. Had they 583 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: not found the actual donners, they would have died. And 584 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 1: they laid down at night and desert, the Great Salt 585 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: Desert gets freezing at night because it doesn't retain any 586 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: of the heat during the day. They had to pile 587 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: the family dogs on top of themselves to keep themselves 588 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:17,720 Speaker 1: from freezing to death that night. It takes them five 589 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: days to get through the desert. They are now getting 590 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: weak big time. They are now cursing hastings a lot. 591 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: They're now starting to get concerned. It's starting to creep in. Oh, 592 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if we're going to survive this. 593 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: What's that moment like when you're you know it's a 594 00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: dangerous trip, but it's organized, You've hired professors, everything's going fine. 595 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to survive this. I 596 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: mean I've had moments, plenty of moments in my life 597 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: where I didn't know if I was going to survive. 598 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: We did one one time. We were on vacation and 599 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to go deep sea fishing. Now I like fishing. 600 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm not obsessed with it, but I enjoy fishing a lot, 601 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily deep sea fishing because I haven't lived most 602 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: of my life by the ocean. But I wanted to 603 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: try it and see if I like it, and it 604 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: is a blast. Highly recommend it. We obviously rent a 605 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: boat that has a captain on it and has a 606 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: crew on it. And this is a nice place. We're 607 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: staying at a nice resort on the beach. It's a 608 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: nice vacation, and we spend this money and we get 609 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: this nice boat. I mean nice boat. There's there's really 610 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: nice my mind. And we take off out on the 611 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: water to go do some deep sea fishing that day 612 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: and I don't know who screwed up where I guess 613 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: you'd be. This probably always goes on the captain, But 614 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: I certainly can't absolve myself of any responsibility. But a terrible, 615 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: terrible storm blew up, and this is one of these 616 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: boats that had a tall, tall second deck on it, 617 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: and this storm, the waves were above the second deck 618 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: on the boat around us. The captain himself, the established 619 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: ocean guy, was visibly shaken and scared. Get your life 620 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 1: jackets on, get here, get ready. It was. It was 621 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: a moment, I'll tell you that much. I've been in 622 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: other situations, as you well know, where I could easily 623 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: have died, in situations where I thought I was frankly 624 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: probably going to This is one of the moments in 625 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: my life that stands out because it went from being 626 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:10,720 Speaker 1: a mildly dangerous fun excursion on the ocean too, oh man, 627 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: we really might die today. And you're looking around at 628 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: the waves over the second deck, and the boat's going 629 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: up and down. And I don't mean bobbing up and down. 630 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean you are taking on water as it downs 631 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: in certain places, and you're looking around, and you find 632 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: yourself looking at the water, and I remember being weirdly 633 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: calm about it, like almost almost like I was outside 634 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: it looking in. I remember looking at the water and thinking, man, 635 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: I might drown in that water here in just a 636 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: few That would suck. And I didn't know that sounds flipping. 637 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be flipping. I wasn't being brave 638 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,800 Speaker 1: about it. And I just remember it like like having 639 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: that experience of looking at it, of this is insane. 640 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: We were just fishing on a nice boat, and now 641 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,320 Speaker 1: I might die in that water. This is crazy, flippant 642 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: Chris like flippants, like, no big deal about it. I 643 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be no big deal about it. It was. 644 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: It was. It was such a it was such a 645 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: change from where we just were earlier in the day. 646 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: It was crazy to me. And I imagine when I 647 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,439 Speaker 1: when I talk about this trip, the Donner Party, the 648 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,320 Speaker 1: things they went to through, I imagine that this salt 649 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 1: desert when they got across it, or while they were 650 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: crossing it, I imagine this is when and you can 651 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: tell from their letters it was starting to hit home. 652 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: We might die. We actually might die on our way 653 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: out west. Now I went a little long with all 654 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: this beginning stuff today, So you're officially cut off. I'm 655 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: going to finish the rest of this Donner Party story tomorrow. 656 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: I had not planned on doing a two parter, but 657 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't really plan on anything. So now you're screwed. 658 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm kiddy, we'll come back. I'll finish it tomorrow. I 659 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: just there's a lot, a lot left in this story. 660 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,240 Speaker 1: And look, we have to pay homage to the story period, 661 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: so we Chris are moving on. Also, I do need 662 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: to mention tomorrow is I realize your favorite show. We 663 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: got all the radio numbers. I'm thrilled that you love it. 664 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: I love it too. We have a blast. We don't 665 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: go heavy on the politics. Tomorrow is an ask doctor 666 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:54,720 Speaker 1: Jesse Friday. Remember that you can send in your questions now, 667 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: or you can call in. If I don't answer, or 668 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: I should say a phone screen or Mitchell doesn't answer, 669 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: leave a voicemail. We'll play the voicemail. Ask Doctor Jesse Friday. 670 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 1: Get your questions in Jesse at Jesse Kelly Show dot com, 671 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: Jesse at Jesse Kelly Show dot com. I cannot stress 672 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: this enough. Your questions do not have to be political. 673 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: I realize we're three days away from an election. I 674 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 1: realize many of you listen to the show because it's political. 675 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,919 Speaker 1: It can be political, your questions camp, but they don't 676 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: have to be as you've seen from the past ones. 677 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: They can be wild and goofy, and they can be history, 678 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,360 Speaker 1: and they could be anything you want. I don't care. 679 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: The point of it is this on Friday's. Isn't there 680 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: enough to stress out about around here? We take it easy, 681 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: all right, speak into some news of the day. Hang 682 00:51:54,280 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 1: on on the Jordan Harbinger Show. You'll hear amazing stories 683 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 1: from people that have lived them, from spies to CEOs, 684 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,720 Speaker 1: even an undercover agent who infiltrated the Gambino crime family. 685 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 1: You're about to hear a preview of The Jordan Harbinger 686 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 1: Show with Jack Garcia, who did just that. My career 687 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,760 Speaker 1: was twenty four out of twenty six years was solely 688 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: dedicated working on the cover. I walk in, I'm in 689 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,680 Speaker 1: the bar. How there's a bar made? Dare good looking? 690 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 1: Young lady? See serving me? Joey, Hey, what would you like? 691 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: I usually my frank was give me a kettle, one martini, 692 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: three olives, class of water on the side. I finished 693 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: the drink. The guys come in. I'm gonna go go 694 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,839 Speaker 1: in my pocket, take out the big wad of money. Hey, am, 695 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 1: I give her one hundred dollars. If you're with the MOB, 696 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: I say, hey, Jordan, you're on record with us. That 697 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: means we protect you. Nobody could shake you down. We 698 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 1: could shake you down. Oh, you're on record with us. 699 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: For more on how Jack became so trusted in the 700 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,320 Speaker 1: highest levels of the Gambino organization, check out at episode 701 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: three ninety two of The Jordan Harbinger Show.