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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's Robert and Joe here. Today we've got

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Speaker 1: This season of Smart Talks with IBM is all about

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Speaker 1: new creators, the developers, data scientists, CTOs, and other visionaries

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Speaker 2: Join hosts from your favorite Pushkin Industries podcast as they

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Speaker 2: use their expertise to deepen these conversations. Malcolm Gladwell will

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Speaker 1: Look out for new episodes of Smart Talks with IBM

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Welcome to Smart Talks with IBM, a podcast

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Speaker 3: from Pushkin Industries, iHeartRadio and IBM. I'm Malcolm Gladwell. This

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Speaker 3: season we're talking to the new creators, the developers, data scientists, CTOs,

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Speaker 3: to drive change. Channeling their knowledge and expertise, they're developing

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Speaker 3: guest today is doctor Derek Warren, Associate Dean and Director

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Speaker 3: After a thirty two year career at IBM, Derek chose

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Speaker 3: collaboration with twenty HBCUs to establish a Cybersecurity the Leadership

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Speaker 3: you'll hear how Derek is using IBM skills build a

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Speaker 3: Derek spoke with doctor Lori Santos, host of the Pushkin

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Speaker 5: It was my pleasure. And I'm a big fan, Laurie

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Speaker 4: Well, now we're gonna have to get you on to

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