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Speaker 2: At around twelve forty am on June ninth, two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, Angela Stewart, who went by Angel, pounded on
Speaker 2: the door of her neighbor Mark Lawson's house in Morrisville,
Speaker 2: North Carolina. It's about thirty miles from Charlotte. They lived
Speaker 2: in a quiet, suburban neighborhood called Gabriel Estates, so getting
Speaker 2: a panic to knock on the door in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night was very out of the ordinary. Mark
Speaker 2: was shocked when he opened the door and saw Angel
Speaker 2: and her one year old son covered in blood. Angel
Speaker 2: lived next door with her husband, thirty one year old
Speaker 2: Matt Stewart, and their three children. She told Mark that
Speaker 2: she had woken up to find a gunman standing in
Speaker 2: her bedroom door, that the intruder had opened fire on
Speaker 2: her and Matt, and that Matt was fighting the gunman.
Speaker 2: Angel had grabbed their one year old son, who was
Speaker 2: in bed with them at the time, and ran for
Speaker 2: her life. Mark let Angel and her son into the house,
Speaker 2: and he called nine one one. According to the nine
Speaker 2: to one one call logs, it was twelve forty five
Speaker 2: am when Mark Lawson made that call. Four minutes later,
Speaker 2: at twelve forty nine am, police and paramedics were rushing
Speaker 2: to the scene. Mark Lawson later summarized the conversation he
Speaker 2: had with Angel to a local news station, saying, quote,
Speaker 2: she came to the door, said she'd been shot, called
Speaker 2: nine one one, her husband Matt was struggling with the intruder.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 2: Matt and Angel had an eleven year old daughter named Hannah,
Speaker 2: a one year old son, and another three year old daughter.
Speaker 2: Hannah was staying with a friend. It was the first
Speaker 2: time she had ever spent the night at a friend's house.
Speaker 2: Angel had her one year old son in her arms,
Speaker 2: which ment her three year old daughter was still in
Speaker 2: the house with the killer. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the
Speaker 2: past eight years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone,
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Speaker 2: Helen Gonepod. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Dispatcher's rushed
Speaker 2: to Matt and Angel's house at one fifty eight Shepherd Drive,
Speaker 2: but they did not immediately go inside. Apparently they thought
Speaker 2: that this was some kind of a hostage situation and
Speaker 2: that the killer could still be inside the home with
Speaker 2: Matt and Angel's three year old daughter, so they called
Speaker 2: this white team. Now it's unclear why they waited that
Speaker 2: long with a house that was dead silent. But when
Speaker 2: they finally went into that house at two thirty am,
Speaker 2: so over an hour and a half later, they found
Speaker 2: the three year old daughter safe and sound. She had
Speaker 2: slept through the whole thing. But that was the end
Speaker 2: of the good news. Police found Matt's body in the
Speaker 2: upstairs bathroom. He had been brutally beaten, stabbed, and shot.
Speaker 2: Matt had clearly fought to the death to protect his family,
Speaker 2: and his killer or killers were still on the loose.
Speaker 2: From the very beginning, it seemed like there were a
Speaker 2: lot of things that were unusual about this crime scene.
Speaker 2: A lot of the reasons why police made the decisions
Speaker 2: that they did can't really be known now because this
Speaker 2: is still technically an open investigation. But something prompted police
Speaker 2: to contact the squat team. Why did they believe that
Speaker 2: this was a hostage situation when there was no sign
Speaker 2: of the gunman? And why did they wait so long
Speaker 2: if there was literally zero sign of an active shooter.
Speaker 2: Police have not said much publicly, but they did make
Speaker 2: it clear there was no sign of a forced entry
Speaker 2: into the home. Police believed that the killer had escaped
Speaker 2: out the back door. The back door had reportedly been
Speaker 2: left unlocked. If that's true, this would be very unusual
Speaker 2: for the family, because even in a safe neighborhood, they
Speaker 2: would normally lock their doors. This was a bizarre twist
Speaker 2: in a life that up until then, by all accounts,
Speaker 2: had been pretty straightforward. Everyone said Matt Stewart was a nice,
Speaker 2: stable guy. Matthew Stewart was born on March fourteenth, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight.
Speaker 3: He lived in.
Speaker 2: Mooresville for his entire life, which has a population of
Speaker 2: just over fifty thousand people and is nicknamed Race City,
Speaker 2: USA because it's a major hub for NASCAR. He graduated
Speaker 2: from Mooresville High School. He went to Mitchell Community College,
Speaker 2: where he earned his associate degree in nursing. He was
Speaker 2: made for that kind of work. He loved helping people.
Speaker 2: Friends and colleagues said he was kind, compassionate, and smart.
Speaker 2: Matt's three children, two daughters and a son, were his
Speaker 2: entire world. According to his obituary, Matt was very active
Speaker 2: in his church in his twenties and his Christian faith
Speaker 2: was very important to him. Friends told police that he
Speaker 2: had been involved with drugs in high school and then
Speaker 2: he completely cleaned up and changed it. Seemed like he
Speaker 2: credited his Christianity with helping him keep his life on track.
Speaker 2: Several years before the murder, Matt met Angel in church.
Speaker 2: At the time, she was a twenty year old single mom.
Speaker 2: Matt fell in love with Angel and wanted to marry
Speaker 2: her and help raise her daughter, and so that's what
Speaker 2: they did. Four months after they met, Matt and Angel
Speaker 2: got married. Matt went on to adopt Angel's older daughter, Hannah,
Speaker 2: and he and Angel went on to have their daughter
Speaker 2: and then their son together. Matt and Angel both worked
Speaker 2: as nurses. Matt was a nurse at Lake Norman Regional
Speaker 2: Medical Center, where he was highly regarded for his work, ethic,
Speaker 2: for his spirit. Everyone loved him and respected him. Angel
Speaker 2: also worked in nursing. She was enrolled in a nursing
Speaker 2: program at the time of the murder. She also worked
Speaker 2: at Carolina's Medical Center. Besides their work and their kids,
Speaker 2: Matt and Angel were both very passionate about and involved
Speaker 2: with their church, Riverlife Fellowship, where Matt volunteered with youth ministries. Now,
Speaker 2: everyone may have said that Matt adored his family and
Speaker 2: got along with everybody, but anytime something like this happens,
Speaker 2: it's natural to ask who someone's enemies were, and in
Speaker 2: this case it was hard to figure out. In fact,
Speaker 2: detectives were struggling to find a motive at all, and
Speaker 2: the only witness they had was Angel. At first, police
Speaker 2: thought this could have been a straight up home invasion,
Speaker 2: a robbery gone wrong, but the evidence did not match
Speaker 2: that theory because, first of all, nothing had been stolen
Speaker 2: from the home. Secondly, despite this brutal battle to the death,
Speaker 2: police were having difficulty tracing the killer's trail. Angel's mother,
Speaker 2: Brenda Hare, made some early statements to reporters. She indicated
Speaker 2: there was a lot of blood in the bedroom and
Speaker 2: the bathroom. Matt had bled heavily. The fight was brutal
Speaker 2: and prolonged, and yet there seemed to be no trace
Speaker 2: of blood anywhere other than the master bedroom and the
Speaker 2: bathroom through there were no drips of blood leading out
Speaker 2: the door or anywhere else. While the police and SWAT
Speaker 2: team were in this standoff waiting outside the home, paramedics
Speaker 2: were tending to Angel and her one year old son.
Speaker 2: Angel had been shot once in the arm, reportedly in
Speaker 2: the wrist. One of her family members wrote a post
Speaker 2: online stating that the bullet had gone clean through her arm.
Speaker 2: After she was examined, both she and her child were
Speaker 2: taken from her neighbor Mark's house to a local hospital,
Speaker 2: where her wound was treated. A lot of people have
Speaker 2: commented on this. On Angel leaving the scene with her
Speaker 2: son and leaving her daughter behind in that house, Some
Speaker 2: people find that strange. They say her maternal instinct should
Speaker 2: have taken over, and even if she was afraid for
Speaker 2: her life, they questioned why she would leave her second child.
Speaker 2: But I can somewhat understand Angel may have been in
Speaker 2: shock trying to help her son. What I can't understand
Speaker 2: is that after that, Angel was taken to the hospital
Speaker 2: for what seemed to be a superficial wound, rather than
Speaker 2: staying at the scene while police waited to see if
Speaker 2: there was an active shooter with her other child inside
Speaker 2: her home. When police initially asked Angel about the intruder,
Speaker 2: she said that she woke up and saw a shadowy
Speaker 2: figure in the doorway. She said the assassin didn't say anything,
Speaker 2: just started opening fire on them. Then, she said, Matt
Speaker 2: jumped up out of the bed and fought him. She
Speaker 2: grabbed her son and ran. Police canvassed the neighborhood, but
Speaker 2: None of Matt and Angel's neighbors reported hearing anything unusual,
Speaker 2: no loud sounds, no gunshots, nothing odd until they heard
Speaker 2: the police cars. But at some point, and it's not
Speaker 2: clear exactly when these details leaked out, Angel was able
Speaker 2: to give police a description of the intruder. She said
Speaker 2: she couldn't really see anything except that he was very tall.
Speaker 2: A police started looking into similar crimes, and one name
Speaker 2: came up pretty early in the investigation. Patrick Tracy Burris.
Speaker 2: Patrick Tracy Burris was a spree killer who committed a
Speaker 2: string of murders in Gaffney, South Carolina, in Cherokee County.
Speaker 2: It started on June twenty seventh, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: when he fatally shot a peach farmer named Clein Cash
Speaker 2: in his home. Police found the next victims four days later,
Speaker 2: Hazel Linder and her daughter Gina Linder Parker. Both of
Speaker 2: them had been gunned down in their own homes. Then,
Speaker 2: on July second, Patrick came into a furniture store. He
Speaker 2: shot the owner, Stephen Tyler, and his daughter, Abbey, both
Speaker 2: of them later died. Law enforcement in the area were
Speaker 2: understandably panicked about a spree killer who was murdering and
Speaker 2: robbing citizens seemingly at random, and so was the community.
Speaker 2: They were wondering who is going to be next. On
Speaker 2: July sixth, two thousand and nine, Patrick got into a
Speaker 2: shootout with police and was fatally shot by an officer.
Speaker 2: Police later matched Patrick's twenty five caliber gun to the
Speaker 2: killings in Gaffney and found items from some of the
Speaker 2: victim's homes in his possession. They realized that he had
Speaker 2: been robbing people. Later, there was outrage when it was
Speaker 2: discovered that Patrick had been released from a ten year
Speaker 2: sentence early, which allowed him to commit these murders. There
Speaker 2: did seem to be some circumstantial similarities in that the
Speaker 2: crimes were seemingly totally random, but there were other differences.
Speaker 2: For one thing, Patrick's murders all happened in a small,
Speaker 2: confined area near Gaffney. Secondly, he didn't leave his victims alive,
Speaker 2: at least not knowingly. He shot everyone he encountered, though
Speaker 2: some of Patrick's victims died later in the hospital. And finally,
Speaker 2: Patrick stole things from the houses he went into. The
Speaker 2: police did take a hard look at him because he
Speaker 2: was a spree killer, and also he was very tall.
Speaker 2: The way Angel described Matt's killer. Patrick was over six
Speaker 2: foot five. The Morrisville Chief of Police, Karl Robbins, later
Speaker 2: addressed this, telling the media quote, we don't have anything
Speaker 2: that links him to us right now, other than that
Speaker 2: he's been in the general area end quote. The theory
Speaker 2: about Patrick being the killer seemed to be put to
Speaker 2: rest for good after law enforcement tested his guns. Patrick
Speaker 2: used a twenty five caliber weapon in all of his
Speaker 2: known kills, and that was the only firearm he was
Speaker 2: believed to own. This firearm did not match the thirty
Speaker 2: eight and forty caliber ammunition found at Matt's crime scene.
Speaker 2: We're going to get back to that ammunition in a minute,
Speaker 2: because that is another bizarre detail of this case that
Speaker 2: has never been resolved.
Speaker 3: For now.
Speaker 2: Let's put a pin in that. Law enforcement confirmed the
Speaker 2: bizarre nature of Matt's case in two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: when the police chief told WBTV, quote, this is a
Speaker 2: very strange case, and detectives are putting all of their
Speaker 2: resources into trying to find the killer. End quote. In
Speaker 2: January of twenty ten, nearly six months after Matt was
Speaker 2: brutally murdered, police released a composite sketch. The killer was
Speaker 2: described as a tall, large framed man weighing around two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds. Police also announced an eleven thousand
Speaker 2: dollars reward for anyone with any information that could help
Speaker 2: lead to Matt's killer. After the initial headlines, the case
Speaker 2: kind of seemed to fade away. Matt and Angels families
Speaker 2: didn't really speak publicly about the case, but without public
Speaker 2: outreach by the police or Matt's family, no one in
Speaker 2: the area heard about the home invasion murder. In twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: according to the Morrisville Tribune, the police did make some
Speaker 2: more information public. They stated that Matt's autopsy quote showed
Speaker 2: several defensive stab wounds in addition to the gunshot WANs
Speaker 2: that killed him end quote. But still they seemed to
Speaker 2: have no suspects, and after that information dropped, nothing seemed
Speaker 2: to happen until twenty eighteen, when Freddie Wilson released a
Speaker 2: podcast called Unforgotten, the Unsolved Murder of Matt Stewart. Freddy
Speaker 2: didn't know Matt personally, but we talked to him about
Speaker 2: his connection to the case and to Matt's church.
Speaker 4: So I went to a very small private Christian school.
Speaker 4: I was in sixth grade in two thousand and four,
Speaker 4: I believe more so Christian Academy. It was affiliated with
Speaker 4: a church called Riverlife Fellowship. My graduating class was of
Speaker 4: thirteen and I think it was the largest graduating class
Speaker 4: that ever went through the school. It shut down, I
Speaker 4: think the year after I graduated, but it was a
Speaker 4: very close knit maybe seventy five percent of the kids
Speaker 4: that went to the school their families were members of
Speaker 4: the church. And while I was attending in two thousand
Speaker 4: and nine, over this summer there was someone that was
Speaker 4: very prominent in the church and he was murdered.
Speaker 3: As the subject of.
Speaker 4: The podcast, I sent shot waves through the community and
Speaker 4: particularly the folks that I was close with in the school,
Speaker 4: some of my teachers who were also at the church,
Speaker 4: some of them pastors. So I kind of grew up
Speaker 4: hearing about the case and being there when people were
Speaker 4: talking about it very emotionally.
Speaker 2: Though this case is still an open investigation and we
Speaker 2: can't get many documents via FOYA, as Freddie pointed out
Speaker 2: in his podcast, some documents have been made public. They
Speaker 2: include the medical Examiner's report, and the medical examiner's report
Speaker 2: highlights another strange fact in this case, the fact that
Speaker 2: Matt was shot numerous times with two different caliber bullets.
Speaker 2: He was shot with both thirty eight and forty caliber bullets.
Speaker 2: This could mean either there was more than one killer,
Speaker 2: or that there was one killer who for some reason
Speaker 2: had different types of ammunition, or that there was one
Speaker 2: killer with two different guns. We know from what police
Speaker 2: released in twenty eleven that after shooting Matt several times,
Speaker 2: his killer began stabbing him in a frenzy. The medical
Speaker 2: examiner's report states that Matt had multiple defensive wounds that
Speaker 2: indicated he did try to fight while he was being attacked.
Speaker 2: Matt was shot multiple times in the face, chest, arm,
Speaker 2: and back. He was also stabbed several times in the face, neck,
Speaker 2: and shoulder. In addition to shooting and stabbing him, Matt's
Speaker 2: killer beat him with a heavy object. This caused blunt
Speaker 2: force trauma wounds and defensive wounds on his hands. Police
Speaker 2: said that the crime scene was covered in blood and
Speaker 2: that it appeared as though the fight had traveled into
Speaker 2: the bathroom. What can we learn from this? Matt fought
Speaker 2: hard for his life. That's obvious. It's also striking. The
Speaker 2: killer didn't just incapacitate Matt. They made a point to
Speaker 2: finish him off. To police, this was appearing less and
Speaker 2: less like a random shooting and more and more like
Speaker 2: Matt had been specifically targeted. It seemed clear from police
Speaker 2: statements there were several oddities at Matt Stewart's crime scene.
Speaker 2: Matt was shot several times with two different types of ammunition,
Speaker 2: but there were reportedly no shell casings found at the scene.
Speaker 2: This appeared to be a bedroom ambush homicide, because otherwise
Speaker 2: it would be very unusual for a robber to come
Speaker 2: into a home late at night, not steal anything, and
Speaker 2: then go straight to the bedroom and then to attack
Speaker 2: one person with several different weapons. Most home invaders who
Speaker 2: are targeting someone's stuff will just leave when they realize
Speaker 2: there are people home. Angel didn't say anything about the killers,
Speaker 2: telling them they wanted money or giving them any kind
Speaker 2: of verbal demands. Whoever it was, came into the house
Speaker 2: and just in her words, opened fire immediately. Then once
Speaker 2: they brutally killed Matt, they let Angel escape. If the
Speaker 2: killer or killers were so worried about having witnesses, they
Speaker 2: made sure to eliminate Matt by using two or potentially
Speaker 2: three different weapons. Why let Angel leave, of course, any
Speaker 2: time that a spouse has murdered and there's no immediate motive.
Speaker 2: The wife is always questioned and police did talk to Angel,
Speaker 2: but it's unclear what happened during those interviews. In twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: before he released the Unforgotten podcast, Freddie did speak to
Speaker 2: Matt's sister, but for the most part, Angel's family has
Speaker 2: largely avoided speaking to any media outlet so far. In fact,
Speaker 2: they made it clear to Freddy they did not appreciate
Speaker 2: him making the podcast. But Angel has spoken out in
Speaker 2: recent years, in an episode of Dave Ramsey's podcast and
Speaker 2: also in a video posted on YouTube. She has also
Speaker 2: talked to people at her church about the attack, and
Speaker 2: when she spoke to the congregation, she said that she
Speaker 2: had been questioned by police and given a lie detector test.
Speaker 2: Angel has never been charged with any wrongdoing and there's
Speaker 2: no suggestion she has ever been considered a suspect.
Speaker 3: She gave a public talk at a church. She mentioned
Speaker 3: being polygraphed in that talk, so that would give some
Speaker 3: further evidence that she was questioned.
Speaker 4: But from what I heard, yes, she was questioned, and
Speaker 4: you know, there had always been an underlying presumption that
Speaker 4: this was someone that.
Speaker 3: Was close to Matt.
Speaker 4: Not quoting police or any came, but from what I've gleaned,
Speaker 4: you can hear in some of the episodes people talking
Speaker 4: that it was if not a crime of passion, just
Speaker 4: a crime of real emotions someone that knew and was
Speaker 4: familiar with Matt.
Speaker 2: In the music video for a band called Big Daddy
Speaker 2: Weave on YouTube, Angel talks about her faith and how
Speaker 2: it got her through the dark days of her husband's murder.
Speaker 2: She also gives more details about the night Matt was killed.
Speaker 2: She said that they were together in bed and that
Speaker 2: he went to ten to their son. Then she said
Speaker 2: he brought their son into.
Speaker 3: The bed with them.
Speaker 2: Angel made a comment about how she believed that he
Speaker 2: was a better and more attentive parent than her, But
Speaker 2: she said after Matt brought their son into the bedroom
Speaker 2: that night that Matt said their son just needed as mommy.
Speaker 2: Angel went on to say what a wonderful father Matt was.
Speaker 2: In that video, there were a couple of details that
Speaker 2: I had not heard publicly before. In the incident report,
Speaker 2: Angel said that she woke up to a shadowy figure
Speaker 2: who opened fire, But then in this YouTube video, she
Speaker 2: said she heard a sound and woke up before seeing
Speaker 2: the mysterious figure in the doorway. It's a tiny difference,
Speaker 2: but who knows. There may be more details that could
Speaker 2: help lead to the killer. Police have said they have
Speaker 2: no usable physical evidence, which seems odd as well because
Speaker 2: this was a pretty large crime scene. Maybe they collected
Speaker 2: no DNA, or there's another possibility that police did collect DNA,
Speaker 2: but that the foreign DNA if it wasn't either Matt's
Speaker 2: or Angels, could have been someone who had a connection
Speaker 2: with Matt or Angel. Maybe it was someone the couple knew,
Speaker 2: someone close to them, maybe someone who would have a
Speaker 2: reason for their DNA to be inside the home. Could
Speaker 2: this have been a contract killing, and if so, who
Speaker 2: would have wanted to hurt Matt. There were some very
Speaker 2: early rumors of drug involvement, but there has been absolutely
Speaker 2: no reason to believe that Matt was in any way
Speaker 2: involved with drugs since high school. What we know for
Speaker 2: sure is that once the killer got inside that house,
Speaker 2: they seemed determined to finish the job. Whoever attacked Matt
Speaker 2: brutally beat and shot and stabbed him. He was the target.
Speaker 2: There have been other brutal home invasions, some that have
Speaker 2: happened under bizarre circumstances and remain unsolved. We're going to
Speaker 2: be covering another home invasion murder in an upcoming episode,
Speaker 2: the killing of twenty five year old Josh Shulman on
Speaker 2: outer Bridge Lane in South Carolina. His father, Larry Shulman,
Speaker 2: was also pistol whipped and shot in the attack, but
Speaker 2: Larry survived. Larry told reporters that the police considered him
Speaker 2: a suspect due to the fact that Larry's mother was
Speaker 2: dying and left some money to Josh, which brings up
Speaker 2: a natural question in Matt's case. Is there any indication
Speaker 2: that Angel or anyone else could have gained financially from
Speaker 2: Matt's death. There have been rumors that Matt was having
Speaker 2: financial problems. A former colleague of Matt posted on Facebook
Speaker 2: that he remembered Matt Ann had worked with him at
Speaker 2: the hospital where Matt was on the day shift. This
Speaker 2: person said they were on the night shift. This person
Speaker 2: claimed about a week before his death that Matt was
Speaker 2: taking extra ships at the hospital due to what this
Speaker 2: person had been told by a charge nurse was money issues.
Speaker 2: But it's important to note this is only third hand information.
Speaker 2: There's nothing available publicly that I've found that indicates that
Speaker 2: Angel and Matt's debts were anything more than what any
Speaker 2: normal young couple with a family was facing. Brenda told
Speaker 2: reporters that Matt and Angel had just paid off their
Speaker 2: student loans and that they both had good jobs. Angel
Speaker 2: stated in the YouTube video that she had remarried. She
Speaker 2: was introduced to her husband through a friend who thought
Speaker 2: they should meet because they had both suffered tragedy. He
Speaker 2: had also lost his wife. Reportedly, she died of cancer.
Speaker 2: Angel said she credits her new husband and her Christian
Speaker 2: faith with getting her through the darkest times after the murder.
Speaker 2: I completely respect Matt and Angel's families desire to move
Speaker 2: on with their lives, even though I have no desire
Speaker 2: to retraumatize a family. It's terrifying to me that this
Speaker 2: killer is probably still out there and they could do
Speaker 2: this to someone else. We need to know why did
Speaker 2: this killer target Matt? Why take the time to brutally
Speaker 2: eliminate him using three different weapons? Could this be someone
Speaker 2: close to Matt and if so, are they still living
Speaker 2: in the community.
Speaker 4: Understandably, the public is very interested in this. It's a
Speaker 4: notable person and it's a horrible crime and they're not
Speaker 4: telling the public everything. Of course they can and shouldn't,
Speaker 4: but that kind of feedback and communication typically happens in
Speaker 4: cases like this. Even if you're not getting a lot
Speaker 4: of information, none of those things are happening.
Speaker 3: So it seems I think to many of the people
Speaker 3: that I talk to in the community, especially people.
Speaker 4: That really cared about Matt, that they're not doing anything,
Speaker 4: and fears start to set in.
Speaker 3: Is there something that went wrong with the investigation.
Speaker 4: There's been some real political upheaval in Morrisville, particularly in
Speaker 4: the last couple of years, and allegations of corruption has
Speaker 4: played the department for.
Speaker 3: A long time.
Speaker 4: But I think most people have a lot of grace
Speaker 4: and respect for what law enforcement do and that they
Speaker 4: can't come and tell everybody everything all the time.
Speaker 3: But I think that trust kind of erodes year after.
Speaker 4: Year, as especially as there's silence and what has happened
Speaker 4: locally to people in the community getting not only the
Speaker 4: cold shoulder, but feeling like they're doing something wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen
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Speaker 2: Tubbs for her research assistance and James Wheaton for legal review.
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