WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Matthew Stewart

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<v Speaker 2>At around twelve forty am on June ninth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and nine, Angela Stewart, who went by Angel, pounded on

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<v Speaker 2>the door of her neighbor Mark Lawson's house in Morrisville,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. It's about thirty miles from Charlotte. They lived

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<v Speaker 2>in a quiet, suburban neighborhood called Gabriel Estates, so getting

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<v Speaker 2>a panic to knock on the door in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night was very out of the ordinary. Mark

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<v Speaker 2>was shocked when he opened the door and saw Angel

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<v Speaker 2>and her one year old son covered in blood. Angel

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<v Speaker 2>lived next door with her husband, thirty one year old

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Stewart, and their three children. She told Mark that

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<v Speaker 2>she had woken up to find a gunman standing in

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<v Speaker 2>her bedroom door, that the intruder had opened fire on

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<v Speaker 2>her and Matt, and that Matt was fighting the gunman.

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<v Speaker 2>Angel had grabbed their one year old son, who was

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<v Speaker 2>in bed with them at the time, and ran for

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<v Speaker 2>her life. Mark let Angel and her son into the house,

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<v Speaker 2>and he called nine one one. According to the nine

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<v Speaker 2>to one one call logs, it was twelve forty five

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<v Speaker 2>am when Mark Lawson made that call. Four minutes later,

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<v Speaker 2>at twelve forty nine am, police and paramedics were rushing

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<v Speaker 2>to the scene. Mark Lawson later summarized the conversation he

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<v Speaker 2>had with Angel to a local news station, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>she came to the door, said she'd been shot, called

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one, her husband Matt was struggling with the intruder.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt and Angel had an eleven year old daughter named Hannah,

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<v Speaker 2>a one year old son, and another three year old daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah was staying with a friend. It was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time she had ever spent the night at a friend's house.

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<v Speaker 2>Angel had her one year old son in her arms,

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<v Speaker 2>which ment her three year old daughter was still in

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<v Speaker 2>the house with the killer. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the

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<v Speaker 2>Helen Gonepod. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Dispatcher's rushed

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<v Speaker 2>to Matt and Angel's house at one fifty eight Shepherd Drive,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did not immediately go inside. Apparently they thought

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<v Speaker 2>that this was some kind of a hostage situation and

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<v Speaker 2>that the killer could still be inside the home with

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<v Speaker 2>Matt and Angel's three year old daughter, so they called

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<v Speaker 2>this white team. Now it's unclear why they waited that

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<v Speaker 2>long with a house that was dead silent. But when

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<v Speaker 2>they finally went into that house at two thirty am,

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<v Speaker 2>so over an hour and a half later, they found

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<v Speaker 2>the three year old daughter safe and sound. She had

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<v Speaker 2>slept through the whole thing. But that was the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the good news. Police found Matt's body in the

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<v Speaker 2>upstairs bathroom. He had been brutally beaten, stabbed, and shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt had clearly fought to the death to protect his family,

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<v Speaker 2>and his killer or killers were still on the loose.

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<v Speaker 2>From the very beginning, it seemed like there were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things that were unusual about this crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the reasons why police made the decisions

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<v Speaker 2>that they did can't really be known now because this

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<v Speaker 2>is still technically an open investigation. But something prompted police

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<v Speaker 2>to contact the squat team. Why did they believe that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a hostage situation when there was no sign

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<v Speaker 2>of the gunman? And why did they wait so long

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<v Speaker 2>if there was literally zero sign of an active shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>Police have not said much publicly, but they did make

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<v Speaker 2>it clear there was no sign of a forced entry

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<v Speaker 2>into the home. Police believed that the killer had escaped

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<v Speaker 2>out the back door. The back door had reportedly been

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<v Speaker 2>left unlocked. If that's true, this would be very unusual

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<v Speaker 2>for the family, because even in a safe neighborhood, they

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<v Speaker 2>would normally lock their doors. This was a bizarre twist

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<v Speaker 2>in a life that up until then, by all accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>had been pretty straightforward. Everyone said Matt Stewart was a nice,

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<v Speaker 2>stable guy. Matthew Stewart was born on March fourteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 3>He lived in.

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<v Speaker 2>Mooresville for his entire life, which has a population of

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<v Speaker 2>just over fifty thousand people and is nicknamed Race City,

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<v Speaker 2>USA because it's a major hub for NASCAR. He graduated

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<v Speaker 2>from Mooresville High School. He went to Mitchell Community College,

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<v Speaker 2>where he earned his associate degree in nursing. He was

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<v Speaker 2>made for that kind of work. He loved helping people.

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<v Speaker 2>Friends and colleagues said he was kind, compassionate, and smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt's three children, two daughters and a son, were his

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<v Speaker 2>entire world. According to his obituary, Matt was very active

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<v Speaker 2>in his church in his twenties and his Christian faith

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<v Speaker 2>was very important to him. Friends told police that he

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<v Speaker 2>had been involved with drugs in high school and then

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<v Speaker 2>he completely cleaned up and changed it. Seemed like he

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<v Speaker 2>credited his Christianity with helping him keep his life on track.

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<v Speaker 2>Several years before the murder, Matt met Angel in church.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, she was a twenty year old single mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt fell in love with Angel and wanted to marry

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<v Speaker 2>her and help raise her daughter, and so that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they did. Four months after they met, Matt and Angel

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<v Speaker 2>got married. Matt went on to adopt Angel's older daughter, Hannah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he and Angel went on to have their daughter

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<v Speaker 2>and then their son together. Matt and Angel both worked

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<v Speaker 2>as nurses. Matt was a nurse at Lake Norman Regional

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<v Speaker 2>Medical Center, where he was highly regarded for his work, ethic,

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<v Speaker 2>for his spirit. Everyone loved him and respected him. Angel

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<v Speaker 2>also worked in nursing. She was enrolled in a nursing

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<v Speaker 2>program at the time of the murder. She also worked

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<v Speaker 2>at Carolina's Medical Center. Besides their work and their kids,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt and Angel were both very passionate about and involved

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<v Speaker 2>with their church, Riverlife Fellowship, where Matt volunteered with youth ministries. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone may have said that Matt adored his family and

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<v Speaker 2>got along with everybody, but anytime something like this happens,

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<v Speaker 2>it's natural to ask who someone's enemies were, and in

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<v Speaker 2>this case it was hard to figure out. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>detectives were struggling to find a motive at all, and

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<v Speaker 2>the only witness they had was Angel. At first, police

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<v Speaker 2>thought this could have been a straight up home invasion,

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<v Speaker 2>a robbery gone wrong, but the evidence did not match

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<v Speaker 2>that theory because, first of all, nothing had been stolen

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<v Speaker 2>from the home. Secondly, despite this brutal battle to the death,

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<v Speaker 2>police were having difficulty tracing the killer's trail. Angel's mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Brenda Hare, made some early statements to reporters. She indicated

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of blood in the bedroom and

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. Matt had bled heavily. The fight was brutal

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<v Speaker 2>and prolonged, and yet there seemed to be no trace

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<v Speaker 2>of blood anywhere other than the master bedroom and the

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom through there were no drips of blood leading out

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<v Speaker 2>the door or anywhere else. While the police and SWAT

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<v Speaker 2>team were in this standoff waiting outside the home, paramedics

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<v Speaker 2>were tending to Angel and her one year old son.

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<v Speaker 2>Angel had been shot once in the arm, reportedly in

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<v Speaker 2>the wrist. One of her family members wrote a post

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<v Speaker 2>online stating that the bullet had gone clean through her arm.

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<v Speaker 2>After she was examined, both she and her child were

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<v Speaker 2>taken from her neighbor Mark's house to a local hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>where her wound was treated. A lot of people have

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<v Speaker 2>commented on this. On Angel leaving the scene with her

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<v Speaker 2>son and leaving her daughter behind in that house, Some

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<v Speaker 2>people find that strange. They say her maternal instinct should

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<v Speaker 2>have taken over, and even if she was afraid for

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<v Speaker 2>her life, they questioned why she would leave her second child.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can somewhat understand Angel may have been in

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<v Speaker 2>shock trying to help her son. What I can't understand

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<v Speaker 2>is that after that, Angel was taken to the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>for what seemed to be a superficial wound, rather than

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<v Speaker 2>staying at the scene while police waited to see if

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<v Speaker 2>there was an active shooter with her other child inside

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<v Speaker 2>her home. When police initially asked Angel about the intruder,

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<v Speaker 2>she said that she woke up and saw a shadowy

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<v Speaker 2>figure in the doorway. She said the assassin didn't say anything,

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<v Speaker 2>just started opening fire on them. Then, she said, Matt

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<v Speaker 2>jumped up out of the bed and fought him. She

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed her son and ran. Police canvassed the neighborhood, but

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<v Speaker 2>None of Matt and Angel's neighbors reported hearing anything unusual,

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<v Speaker 2>no loud sounds, no gunshots, nothing odd until they heard

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<v Speaker 2>the police cars. But at some point, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>clear exactly when these details leaked out, Angel was able

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<v Speaker 2>to give police a description of the intruder. She said

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<v Speaker 2>she couldn't really see anything except that he was very tall.

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<v Speaker 2>A police started looking into similar crimes, and one name

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<v Speaker 2>came up pretty early in the investigation. Patrick Tracy Burris.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Tracy Burris was a spree killer who committed a

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<v Speaker 2>string of murders in Gaffney, South Carolina, in Cherokee County.

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<v Speaker 2>It started on June twenty seventh, two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>when he fatally shot a peach farmer named Clein Cash

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<v Speaker 2>in his home. Police found the next victims four days later,

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<v Speaker 2>Hazel Linder and her daughter Gina Linder Parker. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>them had been gunned down in their own homes. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>on July second, Patrick came into a furniture store. He

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<v Speaker 2>shot the owner, Stephen Tyler, and his daughter, Abbey, both

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<v Speaker 2>of them later died. Law enforcement in the area were

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<v Speaker 2>understandably panicked about a spree killer who was murdering and

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<v Speaker 2>robbing citizens seemingly at random, and so was the community.

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<v Speaker 2>They were wondering who is going to be next. On

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<v Speaker 2>July sixth, two thousand and nine, Patrick got into a

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<v Speaker 2>shootout with police and was fatally shot by an officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Police later matched Patrick's twenty five caliber gun to the

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<v Speaker 2>killings in Gaffney and found items from some of the

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<v Speaker 2>victim's homes in his possession. They realized that he had

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<v Speaker 2>been robbing people. Later, there was outrage when it was

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<v Speaker 2>discovered that Patrick had been released from a ten year

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<v Speaker 2>sentence early, which allowed him to commit these murders. There

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<v Speaker 2>did seem to be some circumstantial similarities in that the

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<v Speaker 2>crimes were seemingly totally random, but there were other differences.

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<v Speaker 2>For one thing, Patrick's murders all happened in a small,

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<v Speaker 2>confined area near Gaffney. Secondly, he didn't leave his victims alive,

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<v Speaker 2>at least not knowingly. He shot everyone he encountered, though

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<v Speaker 2>some of Patrick's victims died later in the hospital. And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick stole things from the houses he went into. The

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<v Speaker 2>police did take a hard look at him because he

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<v Speaker 2>was a spree killer, and also he was very tall.

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<v Speaker 2>The way Angel described Matt's killer. Patrick was over six

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<v Speaker 2>foot five. The Morrisville Chief of Police, Karl Robbins, later

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<v Speaker 2>addressed this, telling the media quote, we don't have anything

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<v Speaker 2>that links him to us right now, other than that

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<v Speaker 2>he's been in the general area end quote. The theory

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<v Speaker 2>about Patrick being the killer seemed to be put to

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<v Speaker 2>rest for good after law enforcement tested his guns. Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>used a twenty five caliber weapon in all of his

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<v Speaker 2>known kills, and that was the only firearm he was

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<v Speaker 2>believed to own. This firearm did not match the thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight and forty caliber ammunition found at Matt's crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get back to that ammunition in a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>because that is another bizarre detail of this case that

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<v Speaker 2>has never been resolved.

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<v Speaker 3>For now.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put a pin in that. Law enforcement confirmed the

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<v Speaker 2>bizarre nature of Matt's case in two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 2>when the police chief told WBTV, quote, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>very strange case, and detectives are putting all of their

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<v Speaker 2>resources into trying to find the killer. End quote. In

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<v Speaker 2>January of twenty ten, nearly six months after Matt was

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<v Speaker 2>brutally murdered, police released a composite sketch. The killer was

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<v Speaker 2>described as a tall, large framed man weighing around two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty pounds. Police also announced an eleven thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars reward for anyone with any information that could help

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<v Speaker 2>lead to Matt's killer. After the initial headlines, the case

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<v Speaker 2>kind of seemed to fade away. Matt and Angels families

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really speak publicly about the case, but without public

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<v Speaker 2>outreach by the police or Matt's family, no one in

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<v Speaker 2>the area heard about the home invasion murder. In twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Morrisville Tribune, the police did make some

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<v Speaker 2>more information public. They stated that Matt's autopsy quote showed

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<v Speaker 2>several defensive stab wounds in addition to the gunshot WANs

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<v Speaker 2>that killed him end quote. But still they seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>have no suspects, and after that information dropped, nothing seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to happen until twenty eighteen, when Freddie Wilson released a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast called Unforgotten, the Unsolved Murder of Matt Stewart. Freddy

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know Matt personally, but we talked to him about

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<v Speaker 2>his connection to the case and to Matt's church.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went to a very small private Christian school.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in sixth grade in two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 4>I believe more so Christian Academy. It was affiliated with

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<v Speaker 4>a church called Riverlife Fellowship. My graduating class was of

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen and I think it was the largest graduating class

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<v Speaker 4>that ever went through the school. It shut down, I

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<v Speaker 4>think the year after I graduated, but it was a

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<v Speaker 4>very close knit maybe seventy five percent of the kids

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<v Speaker 4>that went to the school their families were members of

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<v Speaker 4>the church. And while I was attending in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and nine, over this summer there was someone that was

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<v Speaker 4>very prominent in the church and he was murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>As the subject of.

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<v Speaker 4>The podcast, I sent shot waves through the community and

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<v Speaker 4>particularly the folks that I was close with in the school,

0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.320
<v Speaker 4>some of my teachers who were also at the church,

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<v Speaker 4>some of them pastors. So I kind of grew up

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<v Speaker 4>hearing about the case and being there when people were

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<v Speaker 4>talking about it very emotionally.

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<v Speaker 2>Though this case is still an open investigation and we

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<v Speaker 2>can't get many documents via FOYA, as Freddie pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>in his podcast, some documents have been made public. They

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<v Speaker 2>include the medical Examiner's report, and the medical examiner's report

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<v Speaker 2>highlights another strange fact in this case, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Matt was shot numerous times with two different caliber bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>He was shot with both thirty eight and forty caliber bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>This could mean either there was more than one killer,

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<v Speaker 2>or that there was one killer who for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>had different types of ammunition, or that there was one

0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.760
<v Speaker 2>killer with two different guns. We know from what police

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<v Speaker 2>released in twenty eleven that after shooting Matt several times,

0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.880
<v Speaker 2>his killer began stabbing him in a frenzy. The medical

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<v Speaker 2>examiner's report states that Matt had multiple defensive wounds that

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<v Speaker 2>indicated he did try to fight while he was being attacked.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt was shot multiple times in the face, chest, arm,

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<v Speaker 2>and back. He was also stabbed several times in the face, neck,

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<v Speaker 2>and shoulder. In addition to shooting and stabbing him, Matt's

0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.960
<v Speaker 2>killer beat him with a heavy object. This caused blunt

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<v Speaker 2>force trauma wounds and defensive wounds on his hands. Police

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<v Speaker 2>said that the crime scene was covered in blood and

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<v Speaker 2>that it appeared as though the fight had traveled into

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. What can we learn from this? Matt fought

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<v Speaker 2>hard for his life. That's obvious. It's also striking. The

0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.280
<v Speaker 2>killer didn't just incapacitate Matt. They made a point to

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<v Speaker 2>finish him off. To police, this was appearing less and

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<v Speaker 2>less like a random shooting and more and more like

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<v Speaker 2>Matt had been specifically targeted. It seemed clear from police

0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.800
<v Speaker 2>statements there were several oddities at Matt Stewart's crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt was shot several times with two different types of ammunition,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were reportedly no shell casings found at the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>This appeared to be a bedroom ambush homicide, because otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>it would be very unusual for a robber to come

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<v Speaker 2>into a home late at night, not steal anything, and

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<v Speaker 2>then go straight to the bedroom and then to attack

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<v Speaker 2>one person with several different weapons. Most home invaders who

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<v Speaker 2>are targeting someone's stuff will just leave when they realize

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<v Speaker 2>there are people home. Angel didn't say anything about the killers,

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<v Speaker 2>telling them they wanted money or giving them any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of verbal demands. Whoever it was, came into the house

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<v Speaker 2>and just in her words, opened fire immediately. Then once

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<v Speaker 2>they brutally killed Matt, they let Angel escape. If the

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<v Speaker 2>killer or killers were so worried about having witnesses, they

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<v Speaker 2>made sure to eliminate Matt by using two or potentially

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<v Speaker 2>three different weapons. Why let Angel leave, of course, any

0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.160
<v Speaker 2>time that a spouse has murdered and there's no immediate motive.

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<v Speaker 2>The wife is always questioned and police did talk to Angel,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's unclear what happened during those interviews. In twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>before he released the Unforgotten podcast, Freddie did speak to

0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Matt's sister, but for the most part, Angel's family has

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<v Speaker 2>largely avoided speaking to any media outlet so far. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>they made it clear to Freddy they did not appreciate

0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 2>him making the podcast. But Angel has spoken out in

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<v Speaker 2>recent years, in an episode of Dave Ramsey's podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>also in a video posted on YouTube. She has also

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<v Speaker 2>talked to people at her church about the attack, and

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<v Speaker 2>when she spoke to the congregation, she said that she

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<v Speaker 2>had been questioned by police and given a lie detector test.

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<v Speaker 2>Angel has never been charged with any wrongdoing and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no suggestion she has ever been considered a suspect.

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<v Speaker 3>She gave a public talk at a church. She mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>being polygraphed in that talk, so that would give some

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<v Speaker 3>further evidence that she was questioned.

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<v Speaker 4>But from what I heard, yes, she was questioned, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there had always been an underlying presumption that

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<v Speaker 4>this was someone that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was close to Matt.

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<v Speaker 4>Not quoting police or any came, but from what I've gleaned,

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<v Speaker 4>you can hear in some of the episodes people talking

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<v Speaker 4>that it was if not a crime of passion, just

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<v Speaker 4>a crime of real emotions someone that knew and was

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<v Speaker 4>familiar with Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>In the music video for a band called Big Daddy

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<v Speaker 2>Weave on YouTube, Angel talks about her faith and how

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<v Speaker 2>it got her through the dark days of her husband's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>She also gives more details about the night Matt was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that they were together in bed and that

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<v Speaker 2>he went to ten to their son. Then she said

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<v Speaker 2>he brought their son into.

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<v Speaker 3>The bed with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Angel made a comment about how she believed that he

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<v Speaker 2>was a better and more attentive parent than her, But

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<v Speaker 2>she said after Matt brought their son into the bedroom

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:20.240
<v Speaker 2>that night that Matt said their son just needed as mommy.

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<v Speaker 2>Angel went on to say what a wonderful father Matt was.

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<v Speaker 2>In that video, there were a couple of details that

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<v Speaker 2>I had not heard publicly before. In the incident report,

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<v Speaker 2>Angel said that she woke up to a shadowy figure

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<v Speaker 2>who opened fire, But then in this YouTube video, she

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<v Speaker 2>said she heard a sound and woke up before seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the mysterious figure in the doorway. It's a tiny difference,

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<v Speaker 2>but who knows. There may be more details that could

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<v Speaker 2>help lead to the killer. Police have said they have

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<v Speaker 2>no usable physical evidence, which seems odd as well because

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<v Speaker 2>this was a pretty large crime scene. Maybe they collected

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<v Speaker 2>no DNA, or there's another possibility that police did collect DNA,

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<v Speaker 2>but that the foreign DNA if it wasn't either Matt's

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<v Speaker 2>or Angels, could have been someone who had a connection

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.880
<v Speaker 2>with Matt or Angel. Maybe it was someone the couple knew,

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<v Speaker 2>someone close to them, maybe someone who would have a

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<v Speaker 2>reason for their DNA to be inside the home. Could

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<v Speaker 2>this have been a contract killing, and if so, who

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 2>would have wanted to hurt Matt. There were some very

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<v Speaker 2>early rumors of drug involvement, but there has been absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>no reason to believe that Matt was in any way

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<v Speaker 2>involved with drugs since high school. What we know for

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<v Speaker 2>sure is that once the killer got inside that house,

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<v Speaker 2>they seemed determined to finish the job. Whoever attacked Matt

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<v Speaker 2>brutally beat and shot and stabbed him. He was the target.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been other brutal home invasions, some that have

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<v Speaker 2>happened under bizarre circumstances and remain unsolved. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be covering another home invasion murder in an upcoming episode,

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<v Speaker 2>the killing of twenty five year old Josh Shulman on

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<v Speaker 2>outer Bridge Lane in South Carolina. His father, Larry Shulman,

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<v Speaker 2>was also pistol whipped and shot in the attack, but

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<v Speaker 2>Larry survived. Larry told reporters that the police considered him

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<v Speaker 2>a suspect due to the fact that Larry's mother was

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<v Speaker 2>dying and left some money to Josh, which brings up

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<v Speaker 2>a natural question in Matt's case. Is there any indication

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<v Speaker 2>that Angel or anyone else could have gained financially from

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<v Speaker 2>Matt's death. There have been rumors that Matt was having

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<v Speaker 2>financial problems. A former colleague of Matt posted on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>that he remembered Matt Ann had worked with him at

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the hospital where Matt was on the day shift. This

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>person said they were on the night shift. This person

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<v Speaker 2>claimed about a week before his death that Matt was

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<v Speaker 2>taking extra ships at the hospital due to what this

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<v Speaker 2>person had been told by a charge nurse was money issues.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's important to note this is only third hand information.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing available publicly that I've found that indicates that

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Angel and Matt's debts were anything more than what any

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:08.640
<v Speaker 2>normal young couple with a family was facing. Brenda told

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.360
<v Speaker 2>reporters that Matt and Angel had just paid off their

0:25:11.360 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 2>student loans and that they both had good jobs. Angel

0:25:15.360 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>stated in the YouTube video that she had remarried. She

0:25:18.360 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>was introduced to her husband through a friend who thought

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>they should meet because they had both suffered tragedy. He

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 2>had also lost his wife. Reportedly, she died of cancer.

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Angel said she credits her new husband and her Christian

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 2>faith with getting her through the darkest times after the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely respect Matt and Angel's families desire to move

0:25:40.120 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>on with their lives, even though I have no desire

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to retraumatize a family. It's terrifying to me that this

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>killer is probably still out there and they could do

0:25:51.120 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 2>this to someone else. We need to know why did

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 2>this killer target Matt? Why take the time to brutally

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>eliminate him using three different weapons? Could this be someone

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<v Speaker 2>close to Matt and if so, are they still living

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<v Speaker 2>in the community.

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<v Speaker 4>Understandably, the public is very interested in this. It's a

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:15.120
<v Speaker 4>notable person and it's a horrible crime and they're not

0:26:15.120 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 4>telling the public everything. Of course they can and shouldn't,

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 4>but that kind of feedback and communication typically happens in

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 4>cases like this. Even if you're not getting a lot

0:26:26.120 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 4>of information, none of those things are happening.

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<v Speaker 3>So it seems I think to many of the people

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<v Speaker 3>that I talk to in the community, especially people.

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 4>That really cared about Matt, that they're not doing anything,

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<v Speaker 4>and fears start to set in.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there something that went wrong with the investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been some real political upheaval in Morrisville, particularly in

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<v Speaker 4>the last couple of years, and allegations of corruption has

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<v Speaker 4>played the department for.

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<v Speaker 3>A long time.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think most people have a lot of grace

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<v Speaker 4>and respect for what law enforcement do and that they

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<v Speaker 4>can't come and tell everybody everything all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that trust kind of erodes year after.

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<v Speaker 4>Year, as especially as there's silence and what has happened

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<v Speaker 4>locally to people in the community getting not only the

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 4>cold shoulder, but feeling like they're doing something wrong.

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