1 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold 2 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: case murders in an effort to raise public awareness invite 3 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: witnesses to come forward and present evidence that could potentially 4 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: be further investigated by law enforcement. While we value insights 5 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: from family and community members, their statements should not be 6 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: considered evidence and point to the challenges of verifying facts 7 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: inherent in cold cases. We remind listeners that everyone has 8 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 9 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: Nothing in the podcast is intended to state or imply 10 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: that anyone who has not been convicted of a crime 11 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: is guilty of any wrongdoing. Thanks for listening. 12 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: At around twelve forty am on June ninth, two thousand 13 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: and nine, Angela Stewart, who went by Angel, pounded on 14 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: the door of her neighbor Mark Lawson's house in Morrisville, 15 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: North Carolina. It's about thirty miles from Charlotte. They lived 16 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: in a quiet, suburban neighborhood called Gabriel Estates, so getting 17 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: a panic to knock on the door in the middle 18 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: of the night was very out of the ordinary. Mark 19 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: was shocked when he opened the door and saw Angel 20 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: and her one year old son covered in blood. Angel 21 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: lived next door with her husband, thirty one year old 22 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: Matt Stewart, and their three children. She told Mark that 23 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: she had woken up to find a gunman standing in 24 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: her bedroom door, that the intruder had opened fire on 25 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: her and Matt, and that Matt was fighting the gunman. 26 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: Angel had grabbed their one year old son, who was 27 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: in bed with them at the time, and ran for 28 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: her life. Mark let Angel and her son into the house, 29 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: and he called nine one one. According to the nine 30 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: to one one call logs, it was twelve forty five 31 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: am when Mark Lawson made that call. Four minutes later, 32 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: at twelve forty nine am, police and paramedics were rushing 33 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: to the scene. Mark Lawson later summarized the conversation he 34 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: had with Angel to a local news station, saying, quote, 35 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: she came to the door, said she'd been shot, called 36 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: nine one one, her husband Matt was struggling with the intruder. 37 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: End quote. 38 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: Matt and Angel had an eleven year old daughter named Hannah, 39 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: a one year old son, and another three year old daughter. 40 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: Hannah was staying with a friend. It was the first 41 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: time she had ever spent the night at a friend's house. 42 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: Angel had her one year old son in her arms, 43 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: which ment her three year old daughter was still in 44 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: the house with the killer. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the 45 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: past eight years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, 46 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: I've learned that there is no such thing as a 47 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: small town where murder never happens. I have received hundreds 48 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: of messages from people all around the country asking for 49 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families, 50 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: and their communities. 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Apparently they thought 59 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: that this was some kind of a hostage situation and 60 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: that the killer could still be inside the home with 61 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: Matt and Angel's three year old daughter, so they called 62 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: this white team. Now it's unclear why they waited that 63 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: long with a house that was dead silent. But when 64 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: they finally went into that house at two thirty am, 65 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: so over an hour and a half later, they found 66 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: the three year old daughter safe and sound. She had 67 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: slept through the whole thing. But that was the end 68 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: of the good news. Police found Matt's body in the 69 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: upstairs bathroom. He had been brutally beaten, stabbed, and shot. 70 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: Matt had clearly fought to the death to protect his family, 71 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: and his killer or killers were still on the loose. 72 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: From the very beginning, it seemed like there were a 73 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: lot of things that were unusual about this crime scene. 74 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: A lot of the reasons why police made the decisions 75 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: that they did can't really be known now because this 76 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: is still technically an open investigation. But something prompted police 77 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: to contact the squat team. Why did they believe that 78 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: this was a hostage situation when there was no sign 79 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: of the gunman? And why did they wait so long 80 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: if there was literally zero sign of an active shooter. 81 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: Police have not said much publicly, but they did make 82 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: it clear there was no sign of a forced entry 83 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: into the home. Police believed that the killer had escaped 84 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: out the back door. The back door had reportedly been 85 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: left unlocked. If that's true, this would be very unusual 86 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: for the family, because even in a safe neighborhood, they 87 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: would normally lock their doors. This was a bizarre twist 88 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: in a life that up until then, by all accounts, 89 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: had been pretty straightforward. Everyone said Matt Stewart was a nice, 90 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: stable guy. Matthew Stewart was born on March fourteenth, nineteen 91 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: seventy eight. 92 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: He lived in. 93 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: Mooresville for his entire life, which has a population of 94 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: just over fifty thousand people and is nicknamed Race City, 95 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: USA because it's a major hub for NASCAR. He graduated 96 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: from Mooresville High School. He went to Mitchell Community College, 97 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: where he earned his associate degree in nursing. He was 98 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: made for that kind of work. He loved helping people. 99 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Friends and colleagues said he was kind, compassionate, and smart. 100 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: Matt's three children, two daughters and a son, were his 101 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: entire world. According to his obituary, Matt was very active 102 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: in his church in his twenties and his Christian faith 103 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: was very important to him. Friends told police that he 104 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: had been involved with drugs in high school and then 105 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: he completely cleaned up and changed it. Seemed like he 106 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: credited his Christianity with helping him keep his life on track. 107 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: Several years before the murder, Matt met Angel in church. 108 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: At the time, she was a twenty year old single mom. 109 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: Matt fell in love with Angel and wanted to marry 110 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: her and help raise her daughter, and so that's what 111 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: they did. Four months after they met, Matt and Angel 112 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: got married. Matt went on to adopt Angel's older daughter, Hannah, 113 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: and he and Angel went on to have their daughter 114 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: and then their son together. Matt and Angel both worked 115 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: as nurses. Matt was a nurse at Lake Norman Regional 116 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: Medical Center, where he was highly regarded for his work, ethic, 117 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: for his spirit. Everyone loved him and respected him. Angel 118 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: also worked in nursing. She was enrolled in a nursing 119 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: program at the time of the murder. She also worked 120 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: at Carolina's Medical Center. Besides their work and their kids, 121 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: Matt and Angel were both very passionate about and involved 122 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: with their church, Riverlife Fellowship, where Matt volunteered with youth ministries. Now, 123 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: everyone may have said that Matt adored his family and 124 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: got along with everybody, but anytime something like this happens, 125 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: it's natural to ask who someone's enemies were, and in 126 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: this case it was hard to figure out. In fact, 127 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: detectives were struggling to find a motive at all, and 128 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: the only witness they had was Angel. At first, police 129 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: thought this could have been a straight up home invasion, 130 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: a robbery gone wrong, but the evidence did not match 131 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: that theory because, first of all, nothing had been stolen 132 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: from the home. Secondly, despite this brutal battle to the death, 133 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: police were having difficulty tracing the killer's trail. Angel's mother, 134 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: Brenda Hare, made some early statements to reporters. She indicated 135 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: there was a lot of blood in the bedroom and 136 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: the bathroom. Matt had bled heavily. The fight was brutal 137 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: and prolonged, and yet there seemed to be no trace 138 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: of blood anywhere other than the master bedroom and the 139 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: bathroom through there were no drips of blood leading out 140 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: the door or anywhere else. While the police and SWAT 141 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: team were in this standoff waiting outside the home, paramedics 142 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: were tending to Angel and her one year old son. 143 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: Angel had been shot once in the arm, reportedly in 144 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: the wrist. One of her family members wrote a post 145 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: online stating that the bullet had gone clean through her arm. 146 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: After she was examined, both she and her child were 147 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: taken from her neighbor Mark's house to a local hospital, 148 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: where her wound was treated. A lot of people have 149 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: commented on this. On Angel leaving the scene with her 150 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: son and leaving her daughter behind in that house, Some 151 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: people find that strange. They say her maternal instinct should 152 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: have taken over, and even if she was afraid for 153 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: her life, they questioned why she would leave her second child. 154 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: But I can somewhat understand Angel may have been in 155 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: shock trying to help her son. What I can't understand 156 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: is that after that, Angel was taken to the hospital 157 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: for what seemed to be a superficial wound, rather than 158 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: staying at the scene while police waited to see if 159 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: there was an active shooter with her other child inside 160 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: her home. When police initially asked Angel about the intruder, 161 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: she said that she woke up and saw a shadowy 162 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: figure in the doorway. She said the assassin didn't say anything, 163 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: just started opening fire on them. Then, she said, Matt 164 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: jumped up out of the bed and fought him. She 165 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: grabbed her son and ran. Police canvassed the neighborhood, but 166 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: None of Matt and Angel's neighbors reported hearing anything unusual, 167 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: no loud sounds, no gunshots, nothing odd until they heard 168 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: the police cars. But at some point, and it's not 169 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: clear exactly when these details leaked out, Angel was able 170 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: to give police a description of the intruder. She said 171 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: she couldn't really see anything except that he was very tall. 172 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: A police started looking into similar crimes, and one name 173 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: came up pretty early in the investigation. Patrick Tracy Burris. 174 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: Patrick Tracy Burris was a spree killer who committed a 175 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: string of murders in Gaffney, South Carolina, in Cherokee County. 176 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: It started on June twenty seventh, two thousand and nine, 177 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: when he fatally shot a peach farmer named Clein Cash 178 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: in his home. Police found the next victims four days later, 179 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: Hazel Linder and her daughter Gina Linder Parker. Both of 180 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: them had been gunned down in their own homes. Then, 181 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: on July second, Patrick came into a furniture store. He 182 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: shot the owner, Stephen Tyler, and his daughter, Abbey, both 183 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: of them later died. Law enforcement in the area were 184 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: understandably panicked about a spree killer who was murdering and 185 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: robbing citizens seemingly at random, and so was the community. 186 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: They were wondering who is going to be next. On 187 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: July sixth, two thousand and nine, Patrick got into a 188 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: shootout with police and was fatally shot by an officer. 189 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: Police later matched Patrick's twenty five caliber gun to the 190 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: killings in Gaffney and found items from some of the 191 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: victim's homes in his possession. They realized that he had 192 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: been robbing people. Later, there was outrage when it was 193 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: discovered that Patrick had been released from a ten year 194 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: sentence early, which allowed him to commit these murders. There 195 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: did seem to be some circumstantial similarities in that the 196 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: crimes were seemingly totally random, but there were other differences. 197 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: For one thing, Patrick's murders all happened in a small, 198 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: confined area near Gaffney. Secondly, he didn't leave his victims alive, 199 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: at least not knowingly. He shot everyone he encountered, though 200 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: some of Patrick's victims died later in the hospital. And finally, 201 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: Patrick stole things from the houses he went into. The 202 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: police did take a hard look at him because he 203 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: was a spree killer, and also he was very tall. 204 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: The way Angel described Matt's killer. Patrick was over six 205 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: foot five. The Morrisville Chief of Police, Karl Robbins, later 206 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: addressed this, telling the media quote, we don't have anything 207 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: that links him to us right now, other than that 208 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: he's been in the general area end quote. The theory 209 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: about Patrick being the killer seemed to be put to 210 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: rest for good after law enforcement tested his guns. Patrick 211 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: used a twenty five caliber weapon in all of his 212 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: known kills, and that was the only firearm he was 213 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: believed to own. This firearm did not match the thirty 214 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: eight and forty caliber ammunition found at Matt's crime scene. 215 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: We're going to get back to that ammunition in a minute, 216 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: because that is another bizarre detail of this case that 217 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: has never been resolved. 218 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: For now. 219 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: Let's put a pin in that. Law enforcement confirmed the 220 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: bizarre nature of Matt's case in two thousand and nine 221 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: when the police chief told WBTV, quote, this is a 222 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: very strange case, and detectives are putting all of their 223 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: resources into trying to find the killer. End quote. In 224 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: January of twenty ten, nearly six months after Matt was 225 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: brutally murdered, police released a composite sketch. The killer was 226 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: described as a tall, large framed man weighing around two 227 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds. Police also announced an eleven thousand 228 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: dollars reward for anyone with any information that could help 229 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: lead to Matt's killer. After the initial headlines, the case 230 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: kind of seemed to fade away. Matt and Angels families 231 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: didn't really speak publicly about the case, but without public 232 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: outreach by the police or Matt's family, no one in 233 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: the area heard about the home invasion murder. In twenty eleven, 234 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: according to the Morrisville Tribune, the police did make some 235 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: more information public. They stated that Matt's autopsy quote showed 236 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: several defensive stab wounds in addition to the gunshot WANs 237 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: that killed him end quote. But still they seemed to 238 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: have no suspects, and after that information dropped, nothing seemed 239 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: to happen until twenty eighteen, when Freddie Wilson released a 240 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: podcast called Unforgotten, the Unsolved Murder of Matt Stewart. Freddy 241 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: didn't know Matt personally, but we talked to him about 242 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: his connection to the case and to Matt's church. 243 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 4: So I went to a very small private Christian school. 244 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: I was in sixth grade in two thousand and four, 245 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 4: I believe more so Christian Academy. It was affiliated with 246 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: a church called Riverlife Fellowship. My graduating class was of 247 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 4: thirteen and I think it was the largest graduating class 248 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 4: that ever went through the school. It shut down, I 249 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: think the year after I graduated, but it was a 250 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 4: very close knit maybe seventy five percent of the kids 251 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: that went to the school their families were members of 252 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: the church. And while I was attending in two thousand 253 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: and nine, over this summer there was someone that was 254 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: very prominent in the church and he was murdered. 255 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: As the subject of. 256 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 4: The podcast, I sent shot waves through the community and 257 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 4: particularly the folks that I was close with in the school, 258 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: some of my teachers who were also at the church, 259 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 4: some of them pastors. So I kind of grew up 260 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 4: hearing about the case and being there when people were 261 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: talking about it very emotionally. 262 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: Though this case is still an open investigation and we 263 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: can't get many documents via FOYA, as Freddie pointed out 264 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: in his podcast, some documents have been made public. They 265 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: include the medical Examiner's report, and the medical examiner's report 266 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: highlights another strange fact in this case, the fact that 267 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: Matt was shot numerous times with two different caliber bullets. 268 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 2: He was shot with both thirty eight and forty caliber bullets. 269 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: This could mean either there was more than one killer, 270 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: or that there was one killer who for some reason 271 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: had different types of ammunition, or that there was one 272 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: killer with two different guns. We know from what police 273 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: released in twenty eleven that after shooting Matt several times, 274 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: his killer began stabbing him in a frenzy. The medical 275 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: examiner's report states that Matt had multiple defensive wounds that 276 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: indicated he did try to fight while he was being attacked. 277 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: Matt was shot multiple times in the face, chest, arm, 278 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: and back. He was also stabbed several times in the face, neck, 279 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: and shoulder. In addition to shooting and stabbing him, Matt's 280 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: killer beat him with a heavy object. This caused blunt 281 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: force trauma wounds and defensive wounds on his hands. Police 282 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: said that the crime scene was covered in blood and 283 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: that it appeared as though the fight had traveled into 284 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: the bathroom. What can we learn from this? Matt fought 285 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: hard for his life. That's obvious. It's also striking. The 286 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: killer didn't just incapacitate Matt. They made a point to 287 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: finish him off. To police, this was appearing less and 288 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: less like a random shooting and more and more like 289 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: Matt had been specifically targeted. It seemed clear from police 290 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: statements there were several oddities at Matt Stewart's crime scene. 291 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: Matt was shot several times with two different types of ammunition, 292 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: but there were reportedly no shell casings found at the scene. 293 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: This appeared to be a bedroom ambush homicide, because otherwise 294 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: it would be very unusual for a robber to come 295 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: into a home late at night, not steal anything, and 296 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: then go straight to the bedroom and then to attack 297 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: one person with several different weapons. Most home invaders who 298 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: are targeting someone's stuff will just leave when they realize 299 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: there are people home. Angel didn't say anything about the killers, 300 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: telling them they wanted money or giving them any kind 301 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: of verbal demands. Whoever it was, came into the house 302 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: and just in her words, opened fire immediately. Then once 303 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: they brutally killed Matt, they let Angel escape. If the 304 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 2: killer or killers were so worried about having witnesses, they 305 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: made sure to eliminate Matt by using two or potentially 306 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: three different weapons. Why let Angel leave, of course, any 307 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: time that a spouse has murdered and there's no immediate motive. 308 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: The wife is always questioned and police did talk to Angel, 309 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 2: but it's unclear what happened during those interviews. In twenty eighteen, 310 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: before he released the Unforgotten podcast, Freddie did speak to 311 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: Matt's sister, but for the most part, Angel's family has 312 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: largely avoided speaking to any media outlet so far. In fact, 313 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: they made it clear to Freddy they did not appreciate 314 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: him making the podcast. But Angel has spoken out in 315 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: recent years, in an episode of Dave Ramsey's podcast and 316 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: also in a video posted on YouTube. She has also 317 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: talked to people at her church about the attack, and 318 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: when she spoke to the congregation, she said that she 319 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: had been questioned by police and given a lie detector test. 320 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: Angel has never been charged with any wrongdoing and there's 321 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: no suggestion she has ever been considered a suspect. 322 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: She gave a public talk at a church. She mentioned 323 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: being polygraphed in that talk, so that would give some 324 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: further evidence that she was questioned. 325 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 4: But from what I heard, yes, she was questioned, and 326 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 4: you know, there had always been an underlying presumption that 327 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 4: this was someone that. 328 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 3: Was close to Matt. 329 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 4: Not quoting police or any came, but from what I've gleaned, 330 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 4: you can hear in some of the episodes people talking 331 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: that it was if not a crime of passion, just 332 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: a crime of real emotions someone that knew and was 333 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 4: familiar with Matt. 334 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: In the music video for a band called Big Daddy 335 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: Weave on YouTube, Angel talks about her faith and how 336 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: it got her through the dark days of her husband's murder. 337 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: She also gives more details about the night Matt was killed. 338 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: She said that they were together in bed and that 339 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: he went to ten to their son. Then she said 340 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: he brought their son into. 341 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: The bed with them. 342 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: Angel made a comment about how she believed that he 343 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: was a better and more attentive parent than her, But 344 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: she said after Matt brought their son into the bedroom 345 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: that night that Matt said their son just needed as mommy. 346 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: Angel went on to say what a wonderful father Matt was. 347 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: In that video, there were a couple of details that 348 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: I had not heard publicly before. In the incident report, 349 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: Angel said that she woke up to a shadowy figure 350 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: who opened fire, But then in this YouTube video, she 351 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: said she heard a sound and woke up before seeing 352 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 2: the mysterious figure in the doorway. It's a tiny difference, 353 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 2: but who knows. There may be more details that could 354 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: help lead to the killer. Police have said they have 355 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: no usable physical evidence, which seems odd as well because 356 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: this was a pretty large crime scene. Maybe they collected 357 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: no DNA, or there's another possibility that police did collect DNA, 358 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: but that the foreign DNA if it wasn't either Matt's 359 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: or Angels, could have been someone who had a connection 360 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: with Matt or Angel. Maybe it was someone the couple knew, 361 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: someone close to them, maybe someone who would have a 362 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: reason for their DNA to be inside the home. Could 363 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: this have been a contract killing, and if so, who 364 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: would have wanted to hurt Matt. There were some very 365 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 2: early rumors of drug involvement, but there has been absolutely 366 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: no reason to believe that Matt was in any way 367 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: involved with drugs since high school. What we know for 368 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: sure is that once the killer got inside that house, 369 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: they seemed determined to finish the job. Whoever attacked Matt 370 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: brutally beat and shot and stabbed him. He was the target. 371 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: There have been other brutal home invasions, some that have 372 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: happened under bizarre circumstances and remain unsolved. We're going to 373 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: be covering another home invasion murder in an upcoming episode, 374 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: the killing of twenty five year old Josh Shulman on 375 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: outer Bridge Lane in South Carolina. His father, Larry Shulman, 376 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: was also pistol whipped and shot in the attack, but 377 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: Larry survived. Larry told reporters that the police considered him 378 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: a suspect due to the fact that Larry's mother was 379 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: dying and left some money to Josh, which brings up 380 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: a natural question in Matt's case. Is there any indication 381 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: that Angel or anyone else could have gained financially from 382 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 2: Matt's death. There have been rumors that Matt was having 383 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: financial problems. A former colleague of Matt posted on Facebook 384 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: that he remembered Matt Ann had worked with him at 385 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: the hospital where Matt was on the day shift. This 386 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 2: person said they were on the night shift. This person 387 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: claimed about a week before his death that Matt was 388 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: taking extra ships at the hospital due to what this 389 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: person had been told by a charge nurse was money issues. 390 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: But it's important to note this is only third hand information. 391 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 2: There's nothing available publicly that I've found that indicates that 392 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: Angel and Matt's debts were anything more than what any 393 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 2: normal young couple with a family was facing. Brenda told 394 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 2: reporters that Matt and Angel had just paid off their 395 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: student loans and that they both had good jobs. Angel 396 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: stated in the YouTube video that she had remarried. She 397 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: was introduced to her husband through a friend who thought 398 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: they should meet because they had both suffered tragedy. He 399 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: had also lost his wife. Reportedly, she died of cancer. 400 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: Angel said she credits her new husband and her Christian 401 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: faith with getting her through the darkest times after the murder. 402 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: I completely respect Matt and Angel's families desire to move 403 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: on with their lives, even though I have no desire 404 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: to retraumatize a family. It's terrifying to me that this 405 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: killer is probably still out there and they could do 406 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: this to someone else. We need to know why did 407 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: this killer target Matt? Why take the time to brutally 408 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: eliminate him using three different weapons? Could this be someone 409 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: close to Matt and if so, are they still living 410 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: in the community. 411 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 4: Understandably, the public is very interested in this. It's a 412 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 4: notable person and it's a horrible crime and they're not 413 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 4: telling the public everything. Of course they can and shouldn't, 414 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 4: but that kind of feedback and communication typically happens in 415 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: cases like this. Even if you're not getting a lot 416 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: of information, none of those things are happening. 417 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: So it seems I think to many of the people 418 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 3: that I talk to in the community, especially people. 419 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 4: That really cared about Matt, that they're not doing anything, 420 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 4: and fears start to set in. 421 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: Is there something that went wrong with the investigation. 422 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 4: There's been some real political upheaval in Morrisville, particularly in 423 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 4: the last couple of years, and allegations of corruption has 424 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: played the department for. 425 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 3: A long time. 426 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 4: But I think most people have a lot of grace 427 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 4: and respect for what law enforcement do and that they 428 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 4: can't come and tell everybody everything all the time. 429 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: But I think that trust kind of erodes year after. 430 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 4: Year, as especially as there's silence and what has happened 431 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 4: locally to people in the community getting not only the 432 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 4: cold shoulder, but feeling like they're doing something wrong. 433 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: I'm Catherine Townsend. 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