Speaker 1: In the moment, I actually didn't really uh think anything
Speaker 1: of it. I remember there were two torsos and they
Speaker 1: both had really big dicks, Like I was kind of
Speaker 1: into it. I didn't really think like, oh, I'm having
Speaker 1: sex with the demon. I'm just kind of like, damn,
Speaker 1: like this is really hot. Like these people like are
Speaker 1: not physically my type typically, but like, I'm really into
Speaker 1: this sounding.
Speaker 2: They're physically physically anything. Okay, So when you would you
Speaker 2: say that their dick close is Bobby?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: It sense.
Speaker 2: How were you doing, Bobby.
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty well.
Speaker 2: How I am doing good?
Speaker 4: Bobby.
Speaker 2: Bobby says here that you had sex with an incubus
Speaker 2: in a dream that you have. Says that you have
Speaker 2: always wanted to have sex with an incubus, and you
Speaker 2: feel like you no longer want to have sex with
Speaker 2: the incubus ever since you had that dream. And my
Speaker 2: first question about this, what is an incubus?
Speaker 1: You don't know what an incubus is.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what an incubus is.
Speaker 1: So it's a type of demon. There are two main
Speaker 1: types of sex demons. There's an incubus in a succubus.
Speaker 1: An incubus is a demon.
Speaker 4: That has a dick.
Speaker 1: They typically prey on women and will uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like fuck them. And then a succubis has a vagina
Speaker 1: and they will typically prey on men and you know,
Speaker 1: fuck them.
Speaker 2: Okay, and all right, So in incubus, it's a sex
Speaker 2: demon with a penis that typically goes after women. And
Speaker 2: what is it about the incubus that attracts you and
Speaker 2: makes you want to have sex with it?
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I'm a very submissive person and
Speaker 1: just something about this other worldly being just completely dominating me,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing I can do about it. It's just
Speaker 1: incredibly appealing. Not anymore, I wouldn't recommend having sex with ndpepis.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So so all right, so you consider yourself
Speaker 2: very submissive and the fantasy of a highly highly dominant
Speaker 2: sexual experience is very appealing to you. And then you
Speaker 2: went and you had this dream and tell about the
Speaker 2: events of the dream.
Speaker 1: So in the dream, in the moment, I actually didn't
Speaker 1: really think anything of it. I remember there were two
Speaker 1: there were like two torsos. I can only say that
Speaker 1: they're torsos, But in the moment, I just considered them
Speaker 1: as two different people. But one of them had a
Speaker 1: more masculine frame, like you know, very muscular, and the
Speaker 1: one had a more feminine frame, like you know, nice
Speaker 1: curves and tits. They were both very dark skinned and
Speaker 1: totally hairless. They had no hair on them. I also
Speaker 1: remember there's there was something off about their smile, like
Speaker 1: it was very it was freaky, and they both had
Speaker 1: really big dicks, and the dicks kind of looked weird.
Speaker 1: They didn't look like human dicks. But like I was
Speaker 1: kind of into it. I didn't really think like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm having sex with the demon. I'm just kind of like, damn,
Speaker 1: like this is really hot. Like these people like aren't
Speaker 1: physically my type typically, but like I'm really into this sounding.
Speaker 2: They're physically physically anything. Okay, So when you would you
Speaker 2: say that their dicks are not human, is there an
Speaker 2: animal that you could compare their dicks to or were
Speaker 2: their dicks just a completely new type of dick.
Speaker 1: It was like a completely new type of dick. It
Speaker 1: was it was almost human, but there was something I
Speaker 1: feel like there was something about the head and also
Speaker 1: the curvature of it. It was it was very curved
Speaker 1: and like it was like almost like lumpy, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense I don't know, but yeah, well I can't
Speaker 1: say for certain there was two of them. There was
Speaker 1: definitely two dix though, and two torsos, but in high
Speaker 1: and like, thinking about the dream further, I actually can't
Speaker 1: say for certain that these two torsos weren't connected. I
Speaker 1: feel like they may have been. Yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: don't really remember what exactly what sexual acts explicitly went down,
Speaker 1: but I know that I I was fucked and I
Speaker 1: had a really great time after that dream. That was
Speaker 1: the first dream I had. After the dream, I woke
Speaker 1: up and was just kind of like, huh, it was hot,
Speaker 1: and then I went back to sleep. M do you
Speaker 1: have any more questions about the about the sex?
Speaker 5: I do?
Speaker 2: I do have a question. So all right, So, so
Speaker 2: you have a dream, you meet the incubus. They've got
Speaker 2: the butt, they've got you know, more torsos and dicks
Speaker 2: and and just an anatomy of of that you really
Speaker 2: couldn't find in the conscious world, and you have sex
Speaker 2: with it and you have a great time. But you're
Speaker 2: telling me that after this dream you no longer had
Speaker 2: any desire to to ever again have sex with an incubus.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering why the switch of the brain. Is
Speaker 2: it because you're like, Okay, been there, done that, check,
Speaker 2: Time to move on, or you know, I was expecting
Speaker 2: you to said that you had a bad time. Go
Speaker 2: go ahead, I mean, tell me, tell me why, tell
Speaker 2: me why the the the switch of opinion.
Speaker 1: So, one of the things that I know about incubuses
Speaker 1: and succubises, just based off of my brief readings from
Speaker 1: the internet, is that reoccurring sex with uh, with these
Speaker 1: demons can lead to very poor mental and physical health.
Speaker 1: The day that ensued was one of the worst mental
Speaker 1: health days I had had in a really long time. Like, uh,
Speaker 1: there's some really dark shit. I'm not going to get into.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about that with my therapist tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was just it was a terrible day,
Speaker 1: and like I kept thinking back to that dream and
Speaker 1: I just remember, like that's when I started realizing one
Speaker 1: of the freakier aspects of it, like they're inhuman penises
Speaker 1: and the fact that the torses were probably connected and yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of like, I can totally see how
Speaker 1: having sex with these demons over a long period of
Speaker 1: time can drive somebody to become so not only mentally ill,
Speaker 1: but physically ill, because it was almost like almost like
Speaker 1: the after effects, you know, Like, yeah, like it was
Speaker 1: kind of like coming off of a drug.
Speaker 2: I mean, that makes a lot of sense to me, right,
Speaker 2: these demons, I don't know. Look, I don't know a
Speaker 2: whole lot about demons. I'm not going to pretend like
Speaker 2: I do. But anecdotally, it would make sense to me
Speaker 2: that the demon their greatest goal is to instill havoc
Speaker 2: and pain upon the mortals, and so they trick you
Speaker 2: with their hot bodies and dastardly sexual skill into uh,
Speaker 2: invading your body, invading your mind. And then once once
Speaker 2: you've given them the clear because they've hypnotized you with
Speaker 2: their their their sex appeal, they they go and they
Speaker 2: wreak their havoc.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, Because that's another thing about about this instance
Speaker 1: is that the sex was totally consensual. I I was,
Speaker 1: I was down with it. But yeah, there's there's actually
Speaker 1: another element to the story that I wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: So later in the day, like towards the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, I'd been pretty horny. I haven't
Speaker 1: been laid in a little while, and so it was
Speaker 1: the night after I had the Incubis interaction, I I
Speaker 1: decided to, you know, get out my buildo and you know,
Speaker 1: like use it. But I could not get it in.
Speaker 1: And after I kept trying and failing, I realize I
Speaker 1: was bleeding, like out my bussy. So it kind of
Speaker 1: reminded me of when I would have sex with somebody
Speaker 1: and then try to masturbate in the next day. It
Speaker 1: was very similar to that.
Speaker 2: Bobby. I'm glad to hear that you learned your lesson.
Speaker 2: It sounds as though you fulfilled a fantasy, sort of
Speaker 2: learned your lesson from it, and don't intend to dive
Speaker 2: back into that fantasy. Do you feel like we learned
Speaker 2: something from this? I feel like there is there's a
Speaker 2: few different angles here. I feel like the angle of,
Speaker 2: you know, be careful what you wish for. Fantasy is
Speaker 2: not as great as reality, although I guess they're I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess the fantasy is a fantasy because it's a dream.
Speaker 2: But I don't know do we learn anything. I feel
Speaker 2: like we learned something.
Speaker 1: I feel like the mind can be a powerful thing.
Speaker 2: I agree. Thank you very much for calling Bobby.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you forrabbing me.
Speaker 2: You know what, I know that Bobby just told us
Speaker 2: that we shouldn't have sex with demons, But now that
Speaker 2: they put it in my head, I'm kind of like,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go out of my way. But if the
Speaker 2: opportunity presented itself for me to have sex with the demon,
Speaker 2: and all that was at stake was that I felt
Speaker 2: really shitty for like a day or two afterwards, I'd
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 6: Just for.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm constantly on the hunt for new
Speaker 2: and interesting life experiences, and I would add I would
Speaker 2: file sex with the demon under that category. So you know,
Speaker 2: people can warn me against things, but at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I have to touch the wall to
Speaker 2: see if the paint is dry.
Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, what's that get?
Speaker 2: What's up? Not a whole heck of a lot? What's
Speaker 2: going on with you?
Speaker 4: My current.
Speaker 7: Conflict is kind of intense, So I hope you're prepared.
Speaker 2: I can assure you I'm not, But I will, I will,
Speaker 2: I will, I will go through anyway.
Speaker 7: ALRIGHTY, well, I appreciate it. Currently, I am pregnant, and
Speaker 7: I just have a lot of not a lot, but
Speaker 7: a couple of people in my life who I'm close with.
Speaker 7: Four men just kind of like shoving their opinions down
Speaker 7: my throat. M. So it's a lot to handle, and
Speaker 7: I I don't know how to go about telling these
Speaker 7: people that I love that they just need to chill
Speaker 7: out a little.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. Okay, So you're pregnant and you have people in
Speaker 2: your life, yes, who are telling you their opinion on
Speaker 2: what you should or shouldn't do in terms of whether
Speaker 2: or not to keep it.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: And I mean it's it's easy for them to say that,
Speaker 5: you know, when they're not going through the current, you know,
Speaker 5: situation that I'm experiencing.
Speaker 2: Sure, So I mean, look for forget forgetting about these
Speaker 2: these other people for a second and sort of focusing
Speaker 2: more on you, right tell me? And I'm you know,
Speaker 2: throughout this call, I'm not going to add even slightly
Speaker 2: to the opinions of any of these people. But I'm
Speaker 2: happy to sort of talk with you about how you
Speaker 2: feel about everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that, because sometimes those people don't realize that
Speaker 7: that's not necessarily feedback in a sense.
Speaker 2: What are your feelings about this current situation?
Speaker 7: Well, being twenty two years old and not financially stable,
Speaker 7: and the father also being fairly young, it's definitely not
Speaker 7: going to be beneficial for all parties to keep it.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to terminate.
Speaker 8: It, which sucks and it's painful.
Speaker 5: At the same time, I have to think of my
Speaker 5: mental health and my mental wellness.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Absolutely. Okay, So when you say at the
Speaker 2: same time, I have to think of my health and
Speaker 2: my mental wellness, are you Are you having trouble coming
Speaker 2: to terms with the idea of putting yourself first in
Speaker 2: this situation?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess so. I I'm not often a person
Speaker 7: who really is, you know, choosing the most autonomous, autonomous
Speaker 7: path for myself.
Speaker 2: Sure, So.
Speaker 7: I don't know, it's difficult at the same time, like
Speaker 7: I can't have other people living through me and deciding
Speaker 7: things for me and just not be fulfilled with life
Speaker 7: due to that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're you're you've kind of made your decision.
Speaker 2: When when you're when you're circulating your thoughts around this
Speaker 2: in a way that's isolated from the opinions that are
Speaker 2: that are coming at you externally, you sound as though
Speaker 2: you've made your your decision, maybe not necessarily your piece,
Speaker 2: but at least your decision about how you want to
Speaker 2: move forward.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and to what degree that's okay, So now that
Speaker 2: you've made your decision, to what degree are the people
Speaker 2: around you making you second guess or reconsider your decision
Speaker 2: or is it merely it just the fact that they're
Speaker 2: giving you an opinion in and of itself is bothersome
Speaker 2: and annoying to you.
Speaker 7: I think, just like the opinion itself is they do.
Speaker 7: Like my father, for example, he does want me to
Speaker 7: terminate it, but he is just so forceful about it
Speaker 7: and making appointments for me. I'm an adult, I'm capable
Speaker 7: of doing that myself. Also, just like the criticism and
Speaker 7: backlash that comes with that, it's hurtful and it's been
Speaker 7: pretty consistent for all of my life.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was the thing. That was the other thing
Speaker 2: I was going to say is like, you know, this
Speaker 2: whole pregnancy aside, like, how's that relationship been with your
Speaker 2: your father?
Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, it's like pretty much daddy issues type
Speaker 7: of thing. It's really difficult, Like him having full custody
Speaker 7: of me at a as a child, I think there
Speaker 7: should have been some preparation for having to be a
Speaker 7: bit more emotional. So I don't know, it's just been
Speaker 7: difficult for a long time, and I've communicated with him
Speaker 7: that I do need emotional support right now, and he says,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm not capable of giving that to you.
Speaker 7: Although if I'm expected to make changes in my life,
Speaker 7: I'm currently in treatment at a program, and if I'm
Speaker 7: expected to make certain changes for him, I feel like
Speaker 7: I should be able to have some expectations as well.
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, let me ask you that have you have
Speaker 2: you spoken to a real therapist about these these things?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Here, there is a therapist at the program that
Speaker 7: are MATP currently.
Speaker 2: And what do they say when they when when you
Speaker 2: tell these things to them?
Speaker 7: Well, she offers suggestions, She offers a lot of validation.
Speaker 7: What suggestions she's offered me, suggestions of like maybe bringing
Speaker 7: to his attention doing some bonding like once a week
Speaker 7: or something like going out to dinner or seeing a movie,
Speaker 7: because we don't talk, we don't bond, and I think
Speaker 7: that would be beneficial, although he's always usually busy with
Speaker 7: my stepmom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, man, I mean, look, I get
Speaker 2: where you're coming from when you're like, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: you haven't been really all that present in all these
Speaker 2: other situations, So how come all of a sudden, now
Speaker 2: this is going on, You're trying to take charge, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. He's not obligated to really
Speaker 7: do anything for me. I'm an adult now, right, But
Speaker 7: making the excuse of you're an adult now, I kind
Speaker 7: of do bring to his attention that since I was
Speaker 7: a child, it's been like this and maybe there's just
Speaker 7: some things that I still deal with and some thoughts
Speaker 7: they still deal with regarding, you know, my past with him.
Speaker 7: So I think that could be healing if we could
Speaker 7: compromise in some sort of sense.
Speaker 2: Well, and and listen, I'll say this, it sounds like
Speaker 2: you have a very you know, God damn dude. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're in a very tough situation. And you know, of course,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you actually you know. I I
Speaker 2: the way that you're presenting yourself on this call, I
Speaker 2: don't know how authentic it is in presenting the way
Speaker 2: you actually feel about the situation. But I will say
Speaker 2: the way you've presented yourself from this call, you seem
Speaker 2: very like, seem very sort of you know, and I
Speaker 2: know you say you're dealing with a lot, but you
Speaker 2: do seem very like calm and collected in your sort
Speaker 2: of dealing with this situation. So you're you're obviously a
Speaker 2: very mature and collected person. I understand why your dad
Speaker 2: meddling in your affairs is bothers you to that point.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think it's great that you've been
Speaker 2: able to handle this with so much clarity. And yeah,
Speaker 2: good luck to you man. That's that's that's yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 7: I have a good night, Annon, he as well, thank
Speaker 7: you bye.
Speaker 2: Whatever armchair gecko therapy here. But she had this like
Speaker 2: when when when she's talking about her relationship with her father,
Speaker 2: she like kind of had this idea of what she wanted,
Speaker 2: a pretty confident idea of what she wanted down to
Speaker 2: down to these objective steps with her therapist of like
Speaker 2: I would like to bond with you once a week
Speaker 2: on Tuesdays at six pm. Like very definitive sort of
Speaker 2: way of going about it. That's smart. Hi is this.
Speaker 3: Jake, Yes, this is Jake Jick.
Speaker 2: Is there anything in particular you wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: this evening?
Speaker 9: That's right, I want to talk about me sleeping with
Speaker 9: my friend's sister.
Speaker 2: And what is your relationship like with your friends?
Speaker 9: He's actually my best friend. He's actually one of my
Speaker 9: closest friends of all times. And it's just a really
Speaker 9: awkward situation because of that.
Speaker 2: How does your friend? Does your friend know that you
Speaker 2: slept with his sister?
Speaker 10: He does?
Speaker 2: And how did he find out? Did you tell him?
Speaker 2: Did she tell him? Did he find out some other way?
Speaker 9: It's it's it's actually a little bit worse than that.
Speaker 9: My friend. So so he had thrown a little bit,
Speaker 9: he had thrown a little bit of a party and
Speaker 9: I tended and and what made it weird is that
Speaker 9: the night after we were going to a tailgate and
Speaker 9: he walked into his sister's crew and I was in
Speaker 9: there getting dressed and made the connection right in and
Speaker 9: there of.
Speaker 2: What so he he walked on you?
Speaker 9: Essentially, he basically did walk in on me. Made it
Speaker 9: really weird.
Speaker 2: M And what was his reaction? I assume that you
Speaker 2: talked to him about this after the fact.
Speaker 9: Oh no, no, it was it was even worse than that.
Speaker 11: I had.
Speaker 9: We had gone to the tailgate, right which I and
Speaker 9: we had gone to the tailgate and we didn't say
Speaker 9: a worried about it because he had drove me there
Speaker 9: or I drove him there, and at the tailgate.
Speaker 1: What ends up happening is.
Speaker 9: That, uh, you know, at some point, you know, weoking
Speaker 9: and stuff like guy, and I ended up mentioning it
Speaker 9: to another friend, which I do regret and stuff like that,
Speaker 9: but I didn't end up telling you how to friend.
Speaker 9: And it's a large friend group of like like twenty
Speaker 9: to a little over twenty people. So what's happening is
Speaker 9: that everyone in the friend out really terrible for him,
Speaker 9: because you know, everyone's just like that, and it's just
Speaker 9: a really ochestation now.
Speaker 2: And so this relationship that you have with your friend's
Speaker 2: sister is it Is it a purely sexual relationship or
Speaker 2: or is there legitimate romance and their legitimate feelings that
Speaker 2: you wish to pursue further.
Speaker 9: It's actually like it is more relationship, but it's not Pierce.
Speaker 9: I have not So when I say I suck with her,
Speaker 9: I think I've not had sex with her or anything
Speaker 9: like that. It is way more than that. I truly
Speaker 9: feel like I think she does as well, and I
Speaker 9: think he also knows that I haven't had sex and
Speaker 9: stuff like that. But at the same time, I feel
Speaker 9: like to him it doesn't really matter too much because
Speaker 9: you know, the fact that I did super the sister
Speaker 9: just makes it really weird, and I feel like makes
Speaker 9: him so so weird for him because I am his
Speaker 9: best friend and two of social the sister. I don't
Speaker 9: know if he finds it worse that I suffer her
Speaker 9: or that I might date her, and that that part
Speaker 9: is the most conflicting.
Speaker 2: Fur Look, I think how old is your friend? You
Speaker 2: said you're you're nineteen, right?
Speaker 9: Uh huh, he's about twenty one.
Speaker 2: He's twenty one, Yeah, twenty one years old, old enough
Speaker 2: to be mature. I think your friend. Look, look, I
Speaker 2: think your friend needs to grow up a little bit,
Speaker 2: a little bit right when you're a how old? How
Speaker 2: old is his sister?
Speaker 9: It's sisters also nineteen, Okay.
Speaker 2: He needs to grow up a little bit. His sister
Speaker 2: is his sister, but a person of her own, independent agency.
Speaker 2: You know, she's free to do what she wants with
Speaker 2: who she wants. Right. This idea that you have some
Speaker 2: form of ownership over your family and what they can
Speaker 2: and can't do, who they can and cannot see, it's
Speaker 2: kind of ridiculous, I think. So I think that that
Speaker 2: go ahead?
Speaker 9: Not go ahead? Sorry, No, I don't want to hear
Speaker 9: it to two against.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, well I was. I sort of said what
Speaker 2: I had to say about that. I feel like it's
Speaker 2: on your friend to kind of grow up and be like,
Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't own his sister, he doesn't own you,
Speaker 2: And there's nothing to me I inherently wrong about you
Speaker 2: having a relationship with his sister. If his sister likes you,
Speaker 2: wants to be around you all that, it's of her
Speaker 2: to do so, and it only becomes weird. What I
Speaker 2: think is weird about it is this way in which
Speaker 2: it sounds like your friend is trying to control or
Speaker 2: have some kind of ownership over his sister. That's what
Speaker 2: I think is the concerning part to me, So I.
Speaker 9: Entirely agreely in a lot of ways. One of the
Speaker 9: worst parts for me is like, how do I bring
Speaker 9: it up to him about that? How do I have
Speaker 9: the conversation with him about that? Because it seems like
Speaker 9: he's really trying to avoid it in any way possible,
Speaker 9: and it just makes it so awkward and it feels
Speaker 9: like samping relationship.
Speaker 2: He's avoiding the conversation. Have you have you attempted to
Speaker 2: initiate the conversation about this?
Speaker 9: I actually really haven't.
Speaker 2: Well, then that's got to be on you to initiate
Speaker 2: this conversation.
Speaker 9: So if you don't mind, how should I like, what's
Speaker 9: the most appropriate way that I could bring it? If
Speaker 9: you don't mind me asking.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the truth? Tell me the truth?
Speaker 9: I like her a lot and I want him, and
Speaker 9: I'm honestly worried that he's not okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, you like her a lot, you want to be
Speaker 2: with her, you want him to be okay with it,
Speaker 2: but you're worried he's not okay with it. That's your truth, right,
Speaker 2: that's how you feel.
Speaker 4: That is how I feel.
Speaker 2: Yes, say that to him. That's how you do it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you might write to be honest with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just be honest with him. It's not going to
Speaker 2: kill you. It's not going to kill him, it's not
Speaker 2: going to kill her. Just collect the truth and then
Speaker 2: present it to him. And that's the smoothest way that
Speaker 2: I believe you will have this conversation.
Speaker 10: Okay.
Speaker 9: And so this is just me being a little bit paranoid.
Speaker 10: Okay, but I just gotta ask.
Speaker 9: I don't really have too many other people ask, but
Speaker 9: what if he's.
Speaker 4: Not okay with it?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 9: And like it almost became a scenario where I had
Speaker 9: to choose between him and his sister.
Speaker 4: What do I do?
Speaker 2: Then, Well, that's up to you. But if you're asking
Speaker 2: my subjective opinion, I think him not being okay with
Speaker 2: it is a Hymn problem because, again, as I said,
Speaker 2: it's on him. He has to do the growing up
Speaker 2: of understanding that his sister is an independent person, that
Speaker 2: he does not have control over who she dates or
Speaker 2: what she does with her life. And I think that
Speaker 2: maturing into understanding that is on him more than it
Speaker 2: is on.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you so much. I actually really appreciate this
Speaker 9: a lot.
Speaker 2: Good good, good, well, good luck to you in addressing this.
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't get too uncomfortable for you, and
Speaker 2: I appreciate your calling.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: Oh sorry, my friend. Sorry, Can I ask you one
Speaker 9: more questions?
Speaker 10: This isn't me or anything like that?
Speaker 4: Is it cool?
Speaker 9: I ask you one more questions?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 9: So my friends asking me?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 10: But what's your favorite color?
Speaker 2: Blue?
Speaker 11: Blue?
Speaker 10: All right, thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Have a good night.
Speaker 10: All right, have a good one.
Speaker 2: Karina.
Speaker 6: Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Korena? Koreana? Krena, Koreana, Korea. We've we've I feel like
Speaker 2: we've talked to a lot of people this evening, who
Speaker 2: how do I about this? They they're wondering if they're
Speaker 2: doing the correct thing with their lives. It's a hard
Speaker 2: thing to to to to figure out. I wonder that
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, I I I'm growing more
Speaker 2: and more, more and more aware of my own mortality
Speaker 2: and the fact that you know, you think that the
Speaker 2: days you think you have time, but you don't. The
Speaker 2: days they they go by right, And you know, how
Speaker 2: do you how do you? How do you? How do
Speaker 2: you know? How do you know? How do you know? Korena?
Speaker 2: How do you know? Korea? How do you know that
Speaker 2: you're doing the right thing? Koreina?
Speaker 6: I feel like the end of the day, I will
Speaker 6: reflect upon the things that I've done and to see
Speaker 6: how I feel that I've been doing. I don't always
Speaker 6: know that I'm doing the right thing all the time,
Speaker 6: but I feel like as long as I genuinely try
Speaker 6: to make good decisions, at least I can learn from
Speaker 6: them if it wasn't the right.
Speaker 2: Choice, tell me, tell me, I mean, are there decisions
Speaker 2: that you've made in the past that you are You
Speaker 2: look back and you wish you had not made.
Speaker 6: I normally am not a person to say that I
Speaker 6: regret anything. The only thing I would say I wish
Speaker 6: I did sooner was start investing at a younger age.
Speaker 2: What would you have invested in.
Speaker 6: Bitcoin in twenty ten? For sure? Perhaps the buying a
Speaker 6: house during the recession in the twenty eight to twenty
Speaker 6: ten times when the housing price is tanked.
Speaker 2: See wish you had made more investments. But I mean,
Speaker 2: what would you have done with the money now? Is
Speaker 2: is is money? If you had a lot of money,
Speaker 2: how would you use it to improve your life?
Speaker 6: I would buy so many wigs. I like love dressing
Speaker 6: up and doing costumes and stuff. And I recently shaved
Speaker 6: my head and I've been loving it. But I'm like
Speaker 6: wearing all these crazy wigs, and I would just get
Speaker 6: all these different colors and styles and like be a
Speaker 6: different person every day.
Speaker 2: Koreina. It says here that you are feeling really good
Speaker 2: about life today. You want to share good things you
Speaker 2: have going on. Says you're in a polyamorous relationship that
Speaker 2: you feel is notable. Says you've been married for ten
Speaker 2: years and that you're a flight attendant now. Of all
Speaker 2: those things that you've discussed is which what do you
Speaker 2: what do you feel would be the best one to
Speaker 2: talk about this evening.
Speaker 6: I have really been enjoying that I'm in a polyamorous
Speaker 6: relationship lately. So my husband and I we've been seeing
Speaker 6: this couple and we've been dating for about four months now.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I have a husband and a boyfriend. And
Speaker 6: then he has a joyfriend because the person that he's
Speaker 6: seeing their non binary, so they prefer joyfriend over a girlfriend.
Speaker 6: And yeah, it's a lot of fun because yes, he
Speaker 6: gets to like hang out and like do the things
Speaker 6: that I'm not. Like they smoke weed, and then my
Speaker 6: boyfriend and I like to drink, so we can like
Speaker 6: share each other's passions and interests that like maybe my
Speaker 6: husband doesn't always want to do.
Speaker 2: And and are you are you good friends with your
Speaker 2: husband's joyfriend?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we get along really well. Yeah I really like them.
Speaker 6: We yeah, we all we're all dating each Other's quite
Speaker 6: the experience actually.
Speaker 2: And have you always been in a polyamorous relationship.
Speaker 6: I've always wanted to be. We've we've had a girlfriend
Speaker 6: in the past. So I guess whatever you call a
Speaker 6: three person I guess it still would be polyamorous. We've
Speaker 6: had a girlfriend in the past, and it's always been
Speaker 6: my idea, which is why I think we've been in
Speaker 6: a had good luck initiating like threesomes and having a
Speaker 6: girlfriend and having another partner is like I will kind
Speaker 6: of like start that process of seeking another person or
Speaker 6: another couple, and we've had a lot of good luck
Speaker 6: that way.
Speaker 2: Hmm. So is is this a a lifestyle that you
Speaker 2: have always wanted to pursue or interesting? Interesting? M hmm.
Speaker 2: And has it been difficult to find other people who
Speaker 2: are who are matched up with you in the desire
Speaker 2: to pursue this lifestyle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, huh, it's very I believe unique lifestyle. I feel
Speaker 6: like the percentage of people that can get on board
Speaker 6: with it, we've had, like we've had a couple other
Speaker 6: couples approach us but either like we weren't ready as
Speaker 6: a couple, or like only one person, like the guy
Speaker 6: would come on to me, but not both of us
Speaker 6: or his girlfriends. So it's weird and imbalanced. So it
Speaker 6: took us quite a long time before we actually found
Speaker 6: someone like another couple that like we really clicked with.
Speaker 2: M And and would you consider all of you all
Speaker 2: all of yourselves to all be I guess, I guess
Speaker 2: you would say pan sexual.
Speaker 6: Oh I wouldn't necessarily say so. I would say the
Speaker 6: joyfriend and I are bisexual. And then both of them
Speaker 6: men are definitely straight, so they're not like doing anything
Speaker 6: with each other.
Speaker 2: And has it been difficult too, because it sounds like
Speaker 2: the relationships are not are not purely sexual, they're also
Speaker 2: are also romantic and emotional relationships.
Speaker 6: That is, you're absolutely right, it's a whole other level
Speaker 6: because there's a physical attraction. I feel like initially with
Speaker 6: all that like new partner, new person in the bedroom,
Speaker 6: but there is all these extra layers like we're learning
Speaker 6: how maybe one person is a little bit more emotionally
Speaker 6: available than the other, maybe someone else is like better
Speaker 6: at giving advice or seeing things a different perspective. And yeah,
Speaker 6: you're right, there's this whole like emotional like physical, mental,
Speaker 6: spiritual levels and different perspective. I think that's probably my
Speaker 6: favorite part about it is you get different perspectives about
Speaker 6: life or opinions or situations that maybe you don't get
Speaker 6: from what I like to call your main your main partner.
Speaker 2: Your main partner. Okay, so there are there are you
Speaker 2: would say ranking within the system mm hmm. And now
Speaker 2: does that ever get difficult with people being unhappy with
Speaker 2: how they rank.
Speaker 6: I think communication is definitely the best thing for that,
Speaker 6: and maybe it could be challenging for like a new
Speaker 6: poly couple that like maybe hasn't been dating for it
Speaker 6: for very long. But it's like because my husband and
Speaker 6: I like were married and we've been like established for
Speaker 6: so long, Like he's just my main Like there's no distinguishable,
Speaker 6: Like I never felt like competitive or where anyone's going
Speaker 6: to take anyone away from each other. I just think
Speaker 6: it's laughable because you just know who your main person
Speaker 6: is and as long as you're like taking care of them,
Speaker 6: then other people can come along for the ride.
Speaker 2: It's true, it does.
Speaker 11: It requires a a a strong amount of trust between
Speaker 11: the two of you that you are are emotionally committed
Speaker 11: to one another.
Speaker 2: While still being able to pursue external emotional connections.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, you're so right about that. It's actually
Speaker 6: really really good to talk to someone about this because
Speaker 6: I've only told like a few people in my friend group,
Speaker 6: but we're kind of private about it because it's not
Speaker 6: the most accepted lifestyle in the whole world. So you're
Speaker 6: making me realize some things that, Yeah, the emotional stability
Speaker 6: is very strong.
Speaker 2: Why do you feel as though you cannot tell your
Speaker 2: friends that you are polyamorous?
Speaker 6: It's challenging to explain, and I feel like a lot
Speaker 6: of people wouldn't be interested or choose in that lifestyle.
Speaker 6: And I'm fortunately I live in the part of the world.
Speaker 6: I'm in Portland, organ where people are a little bit
Speaker 6: more open minded and liberal, But I feel like some
Speaker 6: of it, like depending on where you live, it can
Speaker 6: be hard to come out as Pauli like let alone,
Speaker 6: you know, in the LGBT community or gay like Unfortunately,
Speaker 6: I wish it wasn't the type of world that we
Speaker 6: live in. But I kind of see it more as
Speaker 6: like my personal life that I'm Paulie and I just
Speaker 6: kind of tell my very close friends, but I don't
Speaker 6: like advertise it on like my social media or anything
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 2: Do you feel any sort of internal internal shame about
Speaker 2: it or is it merely an issue of you like
Speaker 2: having your personal life private and that's just a simple
Speaker 2: preference of yours.
Speaker 6: I'd see it's a preference. I just like to keep something,
Speaker 6: you know, to some things on the down load some
Speaker 6: some secretive but I'm I'm proud to be by and
Speaker 6: have another couple that's in our lives and someone that
Speaker 6: do we just get like sure experiences with.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm actually I have a question about about about this lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself content with your current your current
Speaker 2: partnerships that you have in your life or does the
Speaker 2: fact that your all of your agreement with other with
Speaker 2: with each other leaves you able to pursue even more
Speaker 2: relationships and connections outside of your existing ones. Does does
Speaker 2: that ever create any any kind of disease of more
Speaker 2: for you where where you desire even even further, even
Speaker 2: further partners or are you very fully content with the
Speaker 2: amount of relationships that you currently have.
Speaker 6: I feel fairly content with where we are. I'm we're
Speaker 6: fairly exclusive to just this one couple, But it wouldn't
Speaker 6: be completely like out of the ordinary if like maybe
Speaker 6: we wanted to go off and do like a threesome
Speaker 6: thing or like have another girl with us, But at
Speaker 6: this time, like it's already pretty involved involved. I just
Speaker 6: don't have time for that. I guess I already, you know,
Speaker 6: like dating one person is pretty involved, let alone you know,
Speaker 6: three and it's not just sex, like we're here for
Speaker 6: each other like emotionally and mentally too.
Speaker 2: See. It's it's interesting that you're describing all this because
Speaker 2: I think to myself, I'm like, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: even having one partner, having one I mean, because here's
Speaker 2: the thing, your own emotions, feelings, desires, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to manage like yourself, right, your feelings, emotions,
Speaker 2: and then you bring up and then if you want
Speaker 2: to have a partner, you know, you plug in the
Speaker 2: second controller. Now you're dealing with a whole other set
Speaker 2: of emotions and feelings in your life. And then if
Speaker 2: you add a to add to add a third and
Speaker 2: a fourth set of I mean, that's like a high.
Speaker 2: Why are juggling act?
Speaker 6: I'm impressed by it. It's a lot of emotions. And
Speaker 6: I like to joke that I save all my crappy,
Speaker 6: really bad shit for my main because he's already married
Speaker 6: and he has to put up with me. And then
Speaker 6: I had I save my most fun, best self for
Speaker 6: my boyfriend. Not that we're not excuse me, not that
Speaker 6: we're not like I'm not emotionally available to my boyfriend,
Speaker 6: but my main kind of does more of the heavy stuff,
Speaker 6: if you will.
Speaker 2: This sounds like when you like when people who have
Speaker 2: been with one cell phone company for a long time
Speaker 2: get upset that the new customers get a better.
Speaker 3: Deal one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: Oh my god. Yeah, we just keep adding extra lines.
Speaker 6: That's when my relationship life is.
Speaker 2: What is your name again?
Speaker 6: Karina?
Speaker 2: Karina?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling. Is there any other thoughts, feelings, sentiments,
Speaker 2: anything and all that you wish to share with the
Speaker 2: people before we go?
Speaker 6: Yeah, anyone that's interested in poly lifestyle is just just
Speaker 6: communicate a lot with each other and have a good time.
Speaker 2: Thank you keep for calling Karina. Have a good rest
Speaker 2: of the night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks le.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, how are you.
Speaker 3: Doing here?
Speaker 10: He about yourself?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. I'm a gecko on the computer underwater.
Speaker 2: How can I get you this evening? Eli?
Speaker 10: Really just need advice. I know, you know you're not
Speaker 10: a doctor or therapist. Find a means, but really have
Speaker 10: this problem about you know, the proper timing of going
Speaker 10: to the restroom. Sure, sometimes it happens on a toilet,
Speaker 10: sometimes it happens in my pants, And don't really know
Speaker 10: how to go about it.
Speaker 2: How often are you going to the bathroom? In your pants.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 10: I would say about every every three months, ever since
Speaker 10: I was about seven years old.
Speaker 2: Every three mounds to you? About seven years old? How
Speaker 2: old are you now?
Speaker 10: Twenty two?
Speaker 2: Chat? Someone do that math? Do you know the math?
Speaker 2: What's the math on this? Every three months?
Speaker 7: Ah?
Speaker 2: Hey, we can do the math right now. Okay, twenty
Speaker 2: two minus seven? What's that?
Speaker 10: Fifteen?
Speaker 2: Fifteen? Okay? Fifteen times?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Four? Every quarter? All right, so that's sixty times you've
Speaker 2: you've gone to the bathroom hands sixty times? Start your
Speaker 2: whole life.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's thinking about that with that big of a number.
Speaker 10: It happened pretty often.
Speaker 2: I feel like sixty two. I genuinely I feel like
Speaker 2: sixty times. It's not that much. That's not that bad.
Speaker 2: It's once a quarter.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's really not bad.
Speaker 2: Okay, well look, don't let me tell you it's not bad.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about you going to the bathroom
Speaker 2: your pants? What is that experience like for you? Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it severely unpleasant? Uh?
Speaker 10: I would just say the amount of stress that it causes,
Speaker 10: like the build up to the poop. It just stresses
Speaker 10: me out. It happens, you know, when I'm out partying.
Speaker 10: It happens to me when I'm driving, and it's an
Speaker 10: uncomfortable feeling. Eventually, you know, the poop gets cold and
Speaker 10: I have to throw away a good pair of underwear,
Speaker 10: you know, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So let's break down that stress. What like, like
Speaker 2: to the bare bones, What aspects of pooping your pants
Speaker 2: stress you out the most, because there's several there's several of.
Speaker 3: Them, right.
Speaker 2: There's uh, the the physical uncomfortable sensation of being in
Speaker 2: that situation. There's a little bit of embarrassment there, there's
Speaker 2: a financial thing you might have to throw out those
Speaker 2: underwer and buy new ones. Of all the different variables
Speaker 2: of what happens to you when you have shot your pants.
Speaker 2: What stresses you out the most? Or is it or
Speaker 2: is it a symphony of those things?
Speaker 10: I believe it's a symphony. But the main thing that
Speaker 10: gets under my skin is, you know, thinking that I
Speaker 10: have a good chance of reaching a toilet when in reality,
Speaker 10: you know, I wasn't even close to the toilet.
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, So maybe this is an issue of acceptance,
Speaker 12: right because you're anticipating that you will be able to
Speaker 12: get to the bathroom in time for you to.
Speaker 2: Not share your pants, and that gets your helps up,
Speaker 2: which leaves you vulnerable and unprepared to emotionally deal with
Speaker 2: this situation that has been inevitable all along.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's kind of kind of like a cat chasing
Speaker 10: a laser when I think of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, you said you were deployed in Iran when
Speaker 2: this happened.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it. Uh happened to me a couple of
Speaker 10: times there and now one time it was with p
Speaker 10: and it was not good. We were on mission, and uh,
Speaker 10: there's really nothing I could do about it, you know,
Speaker 10: just twelve hours, you know, poopy pants and what underwear?
Speaker 2: Wow? So you were walking around for twelve hours with
Speaker 2: poopy pants in uh? On a mission? What was the
Speaker 2: what was the mission?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 10: We were escorting some British generals around him, and uh,
Speaker 10: you know when we're driving, we drove like four hours
Speaker 10: straight and you know you can't stop. And with the
Speaker 10: level amount of security of my mission I required, you know,
Speaker 10: I couldn't couldn't leave my post, couldn't go anywhere. So
Speaker 10: I just had to deal with it.
Speaker 2: And did anybody else in your squad know that you
Speaker 2: had pooved your pants or were you able to keep
Speaker 2: it a secret for twelve hours.
Speaker 10: One person knew about it. It was my platoon leader.
Speaker 10: He was an officer. He mentioned that in our vehicle
Speaker 10: smelled mike poop, and I told him, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 10: you actually you know, poot my pants at the beginning
Speaker 10: of the mission, and he just said, you know, you'd
Speaker 10: sit tight. It happens.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so he was understanding about it. He didn't
Speaker 2: give you a hard.
Speaker 10: Time, No, he didn't. But when we got back to
Speaker 10: our outpost, he he told everybody, and from then on
Speaker 10: out for the rest of the deployment, everyone called me
Speaker 10: poopy Pans or a variation of that name.
Speaker 2: He told everybody. Why did he tell everybody?
Speaker 10: I just from his point of view, I think it
Speaker 10: would be funny, and I kind of laughed a little
Speaker 10: bit too. But you know, it got old pretty easy.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it like this. It got old for you,
Speaker 2: befriend else for everyone else on the platoon. It was
Speaker 2: probably pretty funny for at least a solid amount of
Speaker 2: time after it stopped being funny for you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I can I think I know where you're
Speaker 10: going with this. You know, it provided someone else, you know,
Speaker 10: a joyful experience to gain that laughter, to show that
Speaker 10: son trying to the clousea or whatever. But yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: What, I wasn't even thinking about it like that. But
Speaker 2: now that you bring it up, that is a very
Speaker 2: nice positive spin on things. You were able to actually
Speaker 2: provide value to your fellow Americans by pooping your pants,
Speaker 2: and in a way it is your job being in
Speaker 2: the military. Two. I suppose what the ethos of it
Speaker 2: is to protect and serve, right, and by pooping your pants,
Speaker 2: you were in a way serving.
Speaker 10: Yeah I didn't. I didn't see it that way, but
Speaker 10: you know, in a bigger picture, you know, did something good.
Speaker 2: What did you say? Your name was.
Speaker 10: Eli?
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling Eli.
Speaker 10: You have a good night.
Speaker 1: Get hello, Kelsey, Hi, gek, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm a gecko on the computer? Kelsey. It says here
Speaker 2: you have a story about a lumberjack incident that happened
Speaker 2: eleventh grade. What is what is this incidence? Yeah?
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's really haunted me since and if any of
Speaker 13: my classmates for are watching from way back when, you
Speaker 13: know what I'm talking about. But basically what happened was
Speaker 13: our teachers. This was a year where we had I
Speaker 13: guess like career exploration. So they decided let's go and
Speaker 13: take them on a vocational exploration field trip. And so
Speaker 13: we were privileged enough we got to go on a
Speaker 13: field trip to the woods in Arkansas, that's where I
Speaker 13: grew up. And we went to this restreet area and
Speaker 13: they were it was like this cool place where I guess,
Speaker 13: you know, the bunch of lumberjacks go out and business
Speaker 13: people and they sell lumber to like all these other
Speaker 13: countries and to representatives who come out. We learned about
Speaker 13: the trade, and unbeknownst to us, there was a lumberjack
Speaker 13: competition that was going on in international Lumberjack Competition. I
Speaker 13: was like, holy crap, this is pretty cool. So we
Speaker 13: ride on up to the lag rolling event and there
Speaker 13: were two lumberjacks right, and they're all decked out. They
Speaker 13: get at it, so they do a couple of rounds
Speaker 13: of log rolling until one of them he racks himself
Speaker 13: on a log right, but valiantly he gets back up
Speaker 13: and he starts spinning on the log again. They resume
Speaker 13: the competition, but like you know, I'm I'm a seventh
Speaker 13: grade girl, and I'm just I was really sheltered as
Speaker 13: a kid. I didn't know what was happening. I saw
Speaker 13: a little pink thing dangling in the wind, and his
Speaker 13: penis was out like he had split his pants, and
Speaker 13: just like in front of my seventh grade class, he
Speaker 13: was just like rolling along and like bounce a little.
Speaker 13: There was like this little mulerat looking thing. And I
Speaker 13: didn't know about growers versus showers. I didn't know any
Speaker 13: of that. And anyway, next week we had sex education
Speaker 13: and they can't force that on us. And you know,
Speaker 13: now I look at like an axe or a beard
Speaker 13: or like plaid even and I just can't think of
Speaker 13: anything else. And by expansion, trees, piles of wood, pbr,
Speaker 13: you know, Lumberjackson, that all.
Speaker 2: Make you think specifically of that lumberjacks penis.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: So did this lumberjack when his pants split and his
Speaker 2: penis was exposed to bunch of seventh graders, did he know?
Speaker 13: I honestly kind of think he did. And that's the
Speaker 13: that's the thing, really. I he kind of had like
Speaker 13: a look, like a little twinkle in his eye to
Speaker 13: this day, yeah, I mean to this day, I just
Speaker 13: don't know, Like I can't confirm it. Obviously. If I
Speaker 13: could speak to the guy, which I still I don't
Speaker 13: think I would ever. But I mean, he's gonna be
Speaker 13: like this creepy old man in a bar, you know,
Speaker 13: drinking away his sorrows. And one day he confesses to
Speaker 13: a guy, He's like, you know what I did? I
Speaker 13: log my penis was out from a bunch of seventh graders.
Speaker 13: You know what.
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 13: That's what he's gonna say.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling, what how did how did your school?
Speaker 2: Where'd your school find this guy?
Speaker 13: Honestly, I don't know. I think it was one of
Speaker 13: the newer teachers that set this whole thing up. She
Speaker 13: was kind of.
Speaker 2: Horrified, Yeah, what what happened? So what happens after this?
Speaker 2: Does the guy? Does anyone be like, hey man that
Speaker 2: you're like when your fly is down, people at least
Speaker 2: have the common courtesy to tell you. No one told
Speaker 2: this man, what what what has going on?
Speaker 1: I think we.
Speaker 13: Were all in shock. I didn't really see a whole
Speaker 13: lot of what happened after that, because they kind of like, like, okay, kids,
Speaker 13: let's go, it's it's time to go home, you know,
Speaker 13: But I always like to wonder what happened.
Speaker 2: I can't get you say, whenever you look at an
Speaker 2: axe or a piece of what anything. Let me check
Speaker 2: you think about specifically that guy's pianists? Does that? Does
Speaker 2: that bother you to you wish that you could uh
Speaker 2: look at trees without thinking about that?
Speaker 13: Honestly?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 13: I mean like when I look at trees and stuff,
Speaker 13: I want to like envision, you know, like oh, cool treehouses.
Speaker 13: We were like, oh nature, but no instead penis mm hmm.
Speaker 2: There's gotta be some sort of replacement. This is like
Speaker 2: another weird This is like a real therapist thing, Like
Speaker 2: you can probably do some sort of mental hack to
Speaker 2: like rewire your brain to associate trees with like something else,
Speaker 2: but you gotta you gotta replace it with something. There's
Speaker 2: definitely something here would go wrong you can do. What
Speaker 2: would you want?
Speaker 3: What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you? What do you want to think of
Speaker 2: when you what do you? What do you want to
Speaker 2: think of when you see trees? You want to think
Speaker 2: of like life and all that dumb stuff.
Speaker 13: Probably probably like birds and ship okay, like cool birds,
Speaker 13: not not like the weird ones.
Speaker 2: Even give classical conditioning, like all right, every time you
Speaker 2: see a bird and every time you see a tree
Speaker 2: and you think of penis you like you ever make
Speaker 2: an effort you're like, Oh, I'm gonna start thinking about
Speaker 2: birds now, like you try to like shove that in there.
Speaker 13: You know, honestly I've never tried, but I think now
Speaker 13: kind of equipped with something else. So I'll I'll try
Speaker 13: to think of like owls or hawks or like cool
Speaker 13: little eagles or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, now you got like something to replace the
Speaker 2: penis with other way, that's a good start.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I think I'll try that.
Speaker 2: Oh, is there anything else you want to talk about
Speaker 2: before we go? Casey?
Speaker 13: No, I think I'm good. Geck, I think you've helped
Speaker 13: me and uh and yeah, I wish you a really
Speaker 13: good night, and I hope you never have that happened ever.
Speaker 2: Oh what a lumberjack exposes penis to me?
Speaker 13: Just any kind of like penis exposure that's unwanted, were unwelcome.
Speaker 2: I I appreciate you wishing that upon.
Speaker 13: Me, just looking out for you.
Speaker 2: Get have a good night, Casey, he can Hello. Hello,
Speaker 2: This is interesting, Jeremy. It says here that you were
Speaker 2: dealing with quote a lot of idiots end quote, and
Speaker 2: quote people pushing your buttons lately end quote.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so I gotta I got an interesting story
Speaker 3: about that. So you know, uh, I'm in college right now,
Speaker 3: you know, getting my degree, you know, wasting my money
Speaker 3: a little bit here and there. And I just wanted
Speaker 3: your overall advice because there's this one fucko that like,
Speaker 3: I like the word fucko, so I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm in this bioclass you know,
Speaker 3: Jenna suck, but I have to finishing them.
Speaker 10: Up this year.
Speaker 3: And I like walking with my sunglasses because you know,
Speaker 3: I like seeing outside, and he's like shaming me for
Speaker 3: in sunglasses. I'm like, bro, I don't even know you.
Speaker 3: I like seeing when it's uh right outside.
Speaker 2: And then like you you said, he started shaming you
Speaker 2: for your sunglasses. What is that in practice?
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, I guess bullying is probably the
Speaker 3: like right term, but I couldn't really care. But it's
Speaker 3: like this guy.
Speaker 2: Boil it down to me for like, uh, boil it
Speaker 2: down to me as some sort of uh uh physical
Speaker 2: or verbal action like to shame someone. It's not it's
Speaker 2: not a real action. What did he actually do or say?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I see what you mean. I see what
Speaker 3: you mean. All right. So this guy, basically he he
Speaker 3: just makes comments about anything I'm wearing or things that
Speaker 3: I'm doing, or like if I'm like late to class
Speaker 3: or whatever. And it's more so like I really shouldn't
Speaker 3: let it bother me at all because it's stupid. But
Speaker 3: he just like lives in my head rent free, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like it's a one.
Speaker 2: Person Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy, You're going on this long thing,
Speaker 2: and I get you. There's a lot of emotion here
Speaker 2: and you're selling.
Speaker 3: Me the oh yeah, so much emotion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're upset at this guy. You don't like this guy.
Speaker 2: But lost in all this emotion, have we really you
Speaker 2: haven't said anything what he actually say.
Speaker 3: It's more so than from what he was actually saying,
Speaker 3: because he's not necessarily being an asshole as any of it.
Speaker 2: It's just like, how let you do this again? Okay okay, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So you get the emotion, You get the emotion, right, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: I get it that you don't like this guy. But Jeremy,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah did he say so?
Speaker 3: He will be like I come in the clouds and
Speaker 3: he'll be like, oh you're with the sunglasses again, or
Speaker 3: it's really nothing like that bad if that makes any sense.
Speaker 3: But it gets under my skin, you know, like you
Speaker 3: can feel that emotion, you know, that anger. It's like
Speaker 3: he's just paying attention to like every little thing I'm
Speaker 3: doing and making, like some really tiny common like oh youth,
Speaker 3: the sunglasses, and like I don't know why it bothers me,
Speaker 3: but he lives in my head rent free, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's all right, all right. I feel like I
Speaker 2: get you now. I feel like I get you now.
Speaker 2: He's referring to you.
Speaker 3: Like it's hard to like give this is referring.
Speaker 2: To you by your clothes, and and he's making okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I get this now. The reason why we're not singling
Speaker 2: out any particular remark he made is because, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's not about the remark. It's
Speaker 2: about the general sentiment that he is giving off through
Speaker 2: multiple strings of things that he's saying and doing in
Speaker 2: a way he's acting. So Okay, I understand now, so
Speaker 2: this guy's but who this guy's in one of your classes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's and one of my classes, And yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree, I think. Yeah, the overall sentiment, it's like
Speaker 3: it really shouldn't be that big of a deal. But
Speaker 3: it's just like, and it's not really necessarily like disrespectful either.
Speaker 3: It's just like and I don't want to be an
Speaker 3: asshleton and be like, bro, like shut the fuck up, right,
Speaker 3: because I'm not trying to start issues.
Speaker 2: M question? Can I say that question? Because yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: are you upset that you are upset by this?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it really shouldn't be something. I'm upset well,
Speaker 3: and I don't even know if upset right word. I'm
Speaker 3: just like so like annoyed by it that it's like
Speaker 3: upsetting me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh, I have. I got a couple of
Speaker 2: things here. Maybe let's see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see it.
Speaker 2: So okay, well okay, but so when you brought up
Speaker 2: you okay, the idea I can hear this from from
Speaker 2: what you're saying, the idea of saying something to him,
Speaker 2: of going back to him is boiling in your head.
Speaker 2: But typically that's I mean, that's true because you told
Speaker 2: me you were like I think about saying that. But
Speaker 2: when that idea boils in your head, it boils in
Speaker 2: your head in the form of hey, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: Fuck you don't dare talk about me, Go fuck yourself,
Speaker 2: you know. But it boils in your head. It boils
Speaker 2: in your head in the form of let's go back aggressive.
Speaker 2: I ask you, have you considered other angles of of
Speaker 2: of going back to him aside from just the the
Speaker 2: aggressive angle? I you know, an angle of hey, you know, look,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're meaning to do this. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell is going on here? But
Speaker 2: why do you keep you know, and in a an
Speaker 2: appeal and inquisitive and why are you talking to me
Speaker 2: like this? It's it's bothering me, Like can we get
Speaker 2: down to the to the bottom of this here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I thought of any other angle,
Speaker 3: Like I said, when I meant like I've been doing
Speaker 3: with a lot of idiots. There's just a lot of
Speaker 3: people that are like under my skin, good or bad reasons.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's like he's like one of those
Speaker 3: last straws, Like I've had more serious things go on,
Speaker 3: and so I think him being like that last straw
Speaker 3: is why I'm like thinking that angle, like I hate
Speaker 3: this guy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Mhm, h Okay, this guy, this guy in particular, have
Speaker 2: you had any interactions with him outside of him just
Speaker 2: calling you sunglasses?
Speaker 3: Boy. Nah, Nah, it's weird. It's weird. Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 3: had like any interaction with him before. It's likely That's
Speaker 3: why I'm like, hmmm, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like, you gotta you gotta appeal to him in
Speaker 2: some way, you gotta have a further if this guy
Speaker 2: is really living in your head, rent Free, I feel
Speaker 2: like something and this timeline is healing moments where you
Speaker 2: actually get to know this guy because you're you hate
Speaker 2: him because he's you know, kind of fucking with you
Speaker 2: and and putting off this antagonistic sentiment. But you two
Speaker 2: don't really know each other at all. Yeah, how could
Speaker 2: you get to know him more? And how would that
Speaker 2: change the way he acts towards you? And how would
Speaker 2: that change the way you act towards him? I don't know,
Speaker 2: because I don't know, sort.
Speaker 3: Of, you know, I don't know. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: that's not that's not a terrible idea, but I feel
Speaker 3: like it that's a lot of work because I look
Speaker 3: at it. The class like had like five weeks left
Speaker 3: to it, and you know, once the class is over,
Speaker 3: I probably won't see him again, right, Okay? Well, and
Speaker 3: I like, like I said, I.
Speaker 2: Know where you're getting at and I have a response
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'm here and I'm listening.
Speaker 2: You don't want to Okay, you don't want to put
Speaker 2: in the work. You don't want to put in the
Speaker 2: work because Okay, great, I have this healing moment with
Speaker 2: this guy. But then it's over right. You only have
Speaker 2: five weeks left. So what's the point of Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not about this particular iteration. It's about the inner
Speaker 2: personal skills you develop as a result of this iteration
Speaker 2: that you can then take with you the next time
Speaker 2: you encounter a situation like this, so that I would
Speaker 2: argue it is worth the work if you think about
Speaker 2: it like that.
Speaker 3: Jo that actually that's you know, that's a really positive
Speaker 3: way of looking at it. I'm not gonna lie. That's
Speaker 3: an interesting you know, that's a I don't really know
Speaker 3: uh what to say to that, but you know, I
Speaker 3: may need to take advantage of that.
Speaker 2: That's the one thing you could do, because look, I
Speaker 2: want you to get some out of this, because this
Speaker 2: is clearly fucking bothering you. And I'm yeah, because I'm
Speaker 2: a human being and I have lots of things that
Speaker 2: happened to me in my life that pissed me up
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to deal with better. Right, you could
Speaker 2: go out word with it, try to learn from this guy,
Speaker 2: try to get to know him better, and then maybe
Speaker 2: you have this weird healing moment where you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: all I had to do was talk to this guy
Speaker 2: for five minutes, and then now I know what he's about,
Speaker 2: and now I've learned. Hey, maybe the next time someone
Speaker 2: just pisses me off or I'm getting a bad vibe
Speaker 2: from them, or I think they're fucking idiot, it's just
Speaker 2: like the last time. All I gotta do is talk
Speaker 2: to them for five minutes and my my perspective will change.
Speaker 2: Or you can go inward with it and just decide
Speaker 2: not to let it bother you. I can do both.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think about that?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And you know, I thought it was a whole.
Speaker 2: What do you think about everything that we've talked about
Speaker 2: right now? And do you feel like you do you
Speaker 2: feel inclined to action upon it?
Speaker 3: I think he's bring up. I actually do feel some action,
Speaker 3: you know. I'm not why before this I would like,
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, may as well, I have
Speaker 3: nothing to do tonight, and I you were streaming, and
Speaker 3: I was like, may as well get another perspective into it,
Speaker 3: because you already know, you know, I'm ranked into like
Speaker 3: my friends or whatever, and they're all like, yo, this
Speaker 3: guy sounds like, you know, annoying whatever, so and so forth.
Speaker 3: And I kind of find another perspective, like, you know,
Speaker 3: a non biased perspective, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: I definitely you know, course of action, you know, whatever
Speaker 3: that is. I got to figure that out. But like
Speaker 3: I said, I I have no clue why I even
Speaker 3: like let it bother you.
Speaker 2: Hm, well, listen, Jeremy, thank you for calling, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, hit us back, hit us back, let us
Speaker 2: know if you do decide to I don't want to
Speaker 2: use the word confront, but let's know, if you just
Speaker 2: have to talk to this guy and sort of see
Speaker 2: what's going on, yeah, okay, matter from a curious perspective,
Speaker 2: not a perspective of anger, and see what happens.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, of course, thank you for calling. Jeremy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a good one.
Speaker 2: Hello, Matt, Hello, what's going on with you?
Speaker 4: Not much? Gek with the much?
Speaker 10: What's going on with you?
Speaker 2: I can't think of a fifth way to answer that question.
Speaker 2: It says here, you want to know my thoughts on circumcision,
Speaker 2: and that's not true. You want to tell me your
Speaker 2: thoughts on circumcision. That's what a lot of people do
Speaker 2: is they'll say what do you think about this? So
Speaker 2: that after they're done talking, they can say what they think.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Skip to that, all right, That's that's a fair.
Speaker 4: Way to go.
Speaker 2: Am I was I correct? Or Am I being a dick?
Speaker 4: I mean, i'd say you.
Speaker 2: Can say if I'm being if I'm being a dick,
Speaker 2: I want you to say, lie, well, you're being kind
Speaker 2: of a dick right now, and you need to calm down.
Speaker 4: All right lyle, you do need to calm down just
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Am I being a dick?
Speaker 6: To say?
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me I'm being a dick
Speaker 2: if you think I'm being a dick?
Speaker 4: When you tell me, well, if I'm going to be specific,
Speaker 4: you're being a You're being an uncircumcised dick.
Speaker 2: Says here, you have regular conversations with your friends about this,
Speaker 2: and you think it's very odd that people decide to
Speaker 2: do this. Why do you think it is odd that
Speaker 2: people get circumcised, and I don't.
Speaker 4: Think it's odd that people get circumcised, per se. I
Speaker 4: think it's odd that people look at infant's penis and
Speaker 4: decide to go ahead and snip it.
Speaker 1: Up a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know that people circumcised.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly?
Speaker 2: Are you Jewish?
Speaker 3: No? I am not.
Speaker 2: Well I'm Jewish and I have been circumcised. And you
Speaker 2: know what, Matt, I completely and utterly agree with you.
Speaker 2: I have no idea why people do this.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you get I think you might be
Speaker 4: the first person who I mean, not even the like
Speaker 4: religion aside. I think you're the first person to agree
Speaker 4: with me in in general.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, your other friends, what do they tell you
Speaker 2: when they tell you that you're wrong? What are their arguments?
Speaker 4: They're like, have you it's dirty, it's gross, it's this,
Speaker 4: that and the other. And I'm like, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 4: not talking about that. You know. I like I like
Speaker 4: my penis. I'm comfortable with that, you know, but I
Speaker 4: don't like that I didn't get to decide on out
Speaker 4: it ended up looking, you know, like I never got to.
Speaker 4: If my penis was uncircumcised, I would keep it clean,
Speaker 4: you know, if if you've seen an uncircumcised penis, that's thirty.
Speaker 4: That's their fault for not keeping it clean.
Speaker 2: You know, I should really do No. I agree, if
Speaker 2: I had to make any amendment to the Jewish religion,
Speaker 2: I would perform the circumcision on the same day as
Speaker 2: the bar mitzvah, because when you're thirteen, you have a
Speaker 2: little bit more conscious conscious of a choice there. But
Speaker 2: then again, if they did that, I think if they
Speaker 2: did that and they told every bar mitzvah bar mitzvah,
Speaker 2: the thirteen year old boy whether or not they want
Speaker 2: to chop off the diaper the penis, I have to
Speaker 2: gander that about one hundred percent would say no.
Speaker 4: I would also agree with that. I'm sure that the
Speaker 4: surgery itself is probably a lot more painful as the
Speaker 4: older you get, you know, I definitely wouldn't get it
Speaker 4: as a as a twenty five year old. Now, you
Speaker 4: know it's that would be painful, you know. So I
Speaker 4: don't know, it's it's just a weird concept to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I always think about this. You know, what
Speaker 2: a moil is?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: What a what's that?
Speaker 2: A moil is a guy his only that's his job,
Speaker 2: all right, His profession. His life's work is to chop
Speaker 2: off the tip of baby's penises.
Speaker 4: Wow, specifically baby penises, not adult to adolescent penises.
Speaker 2: I actually, dude, I've never thought about that. Have there
Speaker 2: been guys who get circumcised in adulthood? Do people have? Absolutely? Really?
Speaker 4: People are, Yeah, people would be. I mean, like, I
Speaker 4: don't personally know, but I'm I can only imagine that
Speaker 4: there are some self conscious people out there that would
Speaker 4: go to the lengths of circumcising at a later date,
Speaker 4: you know, because they're not they're self conscious or whatever
Speaker 4: the case may be. May maybe it's uncomfortable, maybe it's
Speaker 4: a surgical Maybe maybe it's a medical thing and they
Speaker 4: have to do it, which is also a whole other
Speaker 4: thing too. I haven't even looked into that. Whether or
Speaker 4: not that's like a it's a probably. I don't know
Speaker 4: whether it's probably.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I'll tell you this though. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you this. I'm pretty sure that circumcision does make your
Speaker 2: penis look bigger. Maybe that is part of the the
Speaker 2: the Jewish thing. Maybe I didn't I didn't pay a
Speaker 2: lot of attention in Hebrews school. But maybe we value
Speaker 2: large penises in the tower or something.
Speaker 4: You see. That's what I think is, that's what That's
Speaker 4: what the image that's going on in my head right
Speaker 4: is that the whoever is in charge of all right,
Speaker 4: I'm you got to you gotta snip that baby's penis.
Speaker 4: Why why did they have to see that baby's penis?
Speaker 4: You know who gave to get that guy.
Speaker 2: The key to.
Speaker 4: Who put him in charge?
Speaker 2: I always thought when I first started watching porn, when
Speaker 2: I was like, uh, what, maybe there was a lot
Speaker 2: of fourteen or something like that. It wasn't until then
Speaker 2: I had never seen guy. I had never all the
Speaker 2: like guy's dicks that I had seen up until then
Speaker 2: were like, you know, my dad and like I went
Speaker 2: to Jewish summer camp, so all all those you know,
Speaker 2: we would all see each other's dicks, like in the
Speaker 2: showers or whatever, and all those guys dicks were circumcised.
Speaker 2: So when I was so all the dicks I ever
Speaker 2: saw growing up before porn were circumcised dicks. And then
Speaker 2: at fourteen, I saw a guy on the internet, a
Speaker 2: guy who's fucking foreskin covered the entirety of his penis,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's God? And I thought he
Speaker 2: had some sort of disease. I was like, what's going
Speaker 2: on with this guy? So I always thought that circumcision
Speaker 2: was the default. I didn't know that, like there was
Speaker 2: something missing from all the penises that I have seen
Speaker 2: and including my own.
Speaker 4: On the contrary to that, I will say, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking of this now. I've never really growing up,
Speaker 4: I never really experienced seeing other people's penises. I only
Speaker 4: saw my own penus, you know, So maybe that has
Speaker 4: something to do with maybe they're like, oh, you're gonna
Speaker 4: see other people's penises. Yeah, they wanted to look better,
Speaker 4: you know, to thinking ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt, I hope that we find an answer to
Speaker 2: this question. I mean we could probably google this. If
Speaker 2: you're listening to this, google it and then send an
Speaker 2: email to Lyle Forever and Never at gmail dot com
Speaker 2: with the answer as to why people get circumcised, and
Speaker 2: for the love of God, do not include any pictures. Matt.
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling, have a good rest of the night.
Speaker 4: Thank you for answering gag you too. Thank you for
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