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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Network's Cubs podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sahai of Charma with my partner Patrick Moody.

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Speaker 1: We are your Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick.

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Speaker 1: It is late January and we are still talking movement

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Speaker 1: here in baseball. A lot of trades still happening. You know,

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Speaker 1: if people were wondering if there would be action, It

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Speaker 1: kind of heated up here in the last month where

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Speaker 1: teams that we thought hadn't done much or what's going

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Speaker 1: on these teams? The Cubs probably fall into that category.

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Speaker 1: We're like, man, they really haven't made the big moves,

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Speaker 1: and then January comes and they make a pair of

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Speaker 1: big moves. The Mets fall into that category now as well.

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Speaker 1: They've made significant moves over the last month and completely

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Speaker 1: reshaped their team, the biggest one perhaps being acquiring Freddy

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Speaker 1: Peralta from the Milwaukee Brewers. Obviously big implications for the

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Speaker 1: Cubs there. Mackenzie Gore just got traded to the Rangers.

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Speaker 1: We could talk a little bit about that as well,

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Speaker 1: because I think I think fans may wonder, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: should the Cubs have paid up for Mackenzie Gore?

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Speaker 2: Instead of Edward Cabrera.

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Speaker 1: I mean, quickly for me on that this is not

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Speaker 1: like after the fact thing. I don't think we wrote

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Speaker 1: much about interest in McKenzie Gore, and that's because we

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Speaker 1: weren't hearing much about interest in mackenzie Gore from the Cubs.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there was interest, but I don't believe it

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Speaker 1: was like, this is a guy we need to get.

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Speaker 1: While that was kind of the feeling about Edward Cabrera,

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Speaker 1: Freddy Peralta being moved, obviously the Cubs weren't going.

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Speaker 2: To be in on that Brewer. They don't want a

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Speaker 2: one year rental anyways, I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should waste our time saying like,

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Speaker 1: well the Brewer is still, can.

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Speaker 3: No just say it. I thought you're gonna say they're

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Speaker 3: toast Write them off, dude. January twenty third, Sharma, brewers

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Speaker 3: are toast.

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Speaker 2: Brewers are no chance.

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Speaker 1: We know Jet Williams will somehow like crush the Cubs

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Speaker 1: in various ways. Brandon Sprout will strike out twelve guys

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Speaker 1: and seven innings against the Cubs, all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is just inevitable. But losing Freddy Peralta moving him

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Speaker 1: to the Mets. That changes some things, and then El Central.

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Speaker 1: I think, on paper, we're going to go into the

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Speaker 1: season saying the Cubs are the favorite.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that they'll win the division.

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Speaker 1: And we all know, we all have to kind of

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Speaker 1: accept the Brewers will find a way to compete and

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Speaker 1: maybe win this division. But it seems like I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the betting odds are. I don't pay enough

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Speaker 1: attention to that, but my assumption is the Cubs are

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Speaker 1: the favorite right now, and this kind of solidifies it.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, the betting favorite. The assumption here

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Speaker 3: is that Jet Williams will be the National League Rookie

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Speaker 3: of the Year and MVP, while Brandon Sprote will be

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Speaker 3: the National League's Young Award winner. I think that is

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Speaker 3: the only conclusion one can draw from whatever magic brew

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Speaker 3: or whatever they were calling it up in Milwaukee during

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Speaker 3: the playoff run. They had all those signs up at

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Speaker 3: American Family Fields. Yeah, I mean, it's funny this broke.

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Speaker 3: We were out to dinner the other night with a

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Speaker 3: bunch of colleagues and we were, you know, making those

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Speaker 3: jokes about you know, the Brewers just keep doing this.

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Speaker 3: You know, whether it's Andrew Vaughan Quinn Priester, and now

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Speaker 3: you get two pretty talented guys. Having said that, I

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Speaker 3: still think you can't pat a thousand on these deals

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Speaker 3: all the time. Certainly not every year, you know, they've

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Speaker 3: acquired an enormous amount of club control. Not every year

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Speaker 3: it's going to click and maybe next year it is

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Speaker 3: that just some period they step back, you know. But

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Speaker 3: it's not like the rest of the NL Central has

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Speaker 3: gotten a whole lot better. I mean, the Cardinals clearly

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Speaker 3: are in retreat.

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Speaker 2: The Reds, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, the Reds and Pirates made a big show about,

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Speaker 3: you know, their offers to Kyle Schwarber, and they've been

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Speaker 3: to respect the Reds like they always have, like you know,

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Speaker 3: but it's hard to see them, you know, winning ninety games.

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Speaker 3: And you know, with Pirates, I think like when you

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Speaker 3: Like I know, they had to do different things, but

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Speaker 3: like you know, if the Pirates don't have the pitching,

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Speaker 3: then like where do they go. It's it's hard enough

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Speaker 3: still certainly have enough to compete. I think if you're

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we spent a lot more than the rest

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Speaker 2: of you in all Central.

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, the expectation is to go with the

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Speaker 2: That's still not.

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Speaker 3: Maybe where you ideally would want it to be, but

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Speaker 3: it's a more reasonable marker for a team with legitimate

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Speaker 3: where how it shakes out in the NL East. I

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Speaker 3: think it's it's gonna be a fascinating division. Obviously, the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers are the Dodgers, They're going to be there. But

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Speaker 3: the National League continues, even if in the flyover states,

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Speaker 3: you know, these the hot stove it's kind of mad

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Speaker 3: like the the National League is loading up again, and

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Speaker 3: you know, the Cubs, clearly, I think are gonna be

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Speaker 3: very vocal about winning the division. You saw there's a

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Speaker 3: clear advantage in that. I think in that five game series,

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you're looking.

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Speaker 3: At you know, the Cubs after if they had somehow

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Speaker 3: won that game five count Creig Council acknowledge like they're

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Speaker 3: pitching was not in good shape like that. You know,

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Speaker 3: Brewers had that first round buy and they still got

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Speaker 3: swept and they didn't obviously did not have enough and

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Speaker 3: that you know, there's a lot of value in winning

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree that when when talking about the division,

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Speaker 1: free agency with trades. I mean the Pirates made a

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Speaker 1: because you're gonna go to Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: How are we losing to.

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Speaker 1: This team that's barely five hundred whatever it may be, right,

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Speaker 1: would not be shocked if they if either team does well,

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Speaker 1: because you have seasons like that when you have pitching

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Speaker 1: have kind of proven year over year, well, the Brewers

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Speaker 1: to be the class of this division.

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Speaker 2: Ah. It like the Cubs have set themselves up nicely.

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Speaker 1: They have They've they've done They've had a really good

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Speaker 1: It's not perfect, it's not Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Philly spending,

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Speaker 1: Than than we've seen in a while before we get

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Speaker 1: to like some smaller moves the Cubs are making.

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Speaker 2: Just one of the touch on Hall of Fame stuff.

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Speaker 1: I voted for the second time, and this was the

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Speaker 2: I guess of our generation.

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Speaker 1: That like pitching is so different now, starting pitching is

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Speaker 1: completely different. I put Mark Burley, Felix Hernandez, and Cole

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Speaker 1: and I've said this two people before.

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Speaker 2: I said, my son will ask me, are.

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Speaker 1: There any Hall of Famers on the twenty sixteen Cubs,

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Speaker 1: And I'd say, like, I don't think so. And now

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Speaker 2: And I think they like, we.

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Speaker 1: Just had he's you know, he's in the Cubs Hall

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Speaker 2: Cole Hamil's got a lot of love for that. I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I haven't dug in on Lester yet, so I'm not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll probably sound like a Homer here, but I

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Speaker 3: think think Lester has, you know, a stronger case than

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Speaker 3: I didn't quite get there on Felix Hernandez or Cole Hammil's,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have to sort of reassess because to me,

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Speaker 3: maybe Lester is not a slam dunk candidate, but I

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Speaker 3: think he's going to get it really strong support right

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Speaker 3: I just think his his volume, his world series rings,

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Speaker 3: and just to you know, I'm I'm someone everyone has

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Speaker 3: to year, it sort of changes, like you're constantly, you know,

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Speaker 3: thinking about it. But I I like not thinking about

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 1: A lot of our memories are created because of postseason success.

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Speaker 3: how they're operating right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely with McCormick, a couple injuries over the past

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Speaker 1: couple of years, so maybe I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: oblique hamstring. So those are the types of things that

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Speaker 1: can really derail a season. But even last year was

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Speaker 1: much better against lefties. Not not above average last year

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Speaker 1: against lefties, but the numbers against lefties were much better

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Speaker 1: was healthy in twenty three twenty two, he destroyed lefties,

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Speaker 1: Like this is the if he's healthy and if he

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Speaker 1: can get find that twenty twenty three type performance, a

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Speaker 1: perfect bench bat, put him in there, like he's going

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Speaker 1: to be playing against the lefties probably regularly if he

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Speaker 1: has the numbers that I saw, like one seventy five

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Speaker 1: way to runs created plus in twenty three, one ninety

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Speaker 1: against lefties, like just crushing them.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see, we'll see if there's value there.

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Speaker 1: But these are the types of moves that you may

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Speaker 1: see going forward, and like you said, we'll see if

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Speaker 1: they have another big one waiting for them, you know,

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Speaker 1: out there for I'm not guaranteeing anything, but like you said,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think they're they're ready to just like

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Speaker 1: shut it down.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. Everyone, take.

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Speaker 4: The game and the day.

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