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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets

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Speaker 1: and a Baller.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Ben.

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Speaker 3: It's Wednesday, July seventeenth, Fantas Footballer's Dynasty Podcast. I'm your

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Speaker 3: host Kabergnoni and I am joined by Matthew Betts and

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Speaker 3: Jason Moore.

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Speaker 4: We're back baby running backs on the show this week.

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Speaker 4: You know, the NFL has med away from runing back position,

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Speaker 4: but today is it's their day.

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Speaker 5: So you know, running backs for fantasy have always been

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Speaker 5: like the most important sortant thing to get right. But

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Speaker 5: getting that right is not always mean the same thing

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Speaker 5: across all leagues, especially if you're talking dynasty.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talk a lot on this show of like.

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Speaker 5: Startup drafts pretty much, are you know I would, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to speak for you too.

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Speaker 5: I know Mike and myself are pretty much like screw

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Speaker 5: them running backs, you know, in the in the.

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Speaker 2: Startup draft process.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, once you're in your league

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Speaker 5: and your league is going everyone is like, but I

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Speaker 5: need a running back now, and they're all going crazy

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Speaker 5: for him. You could never have enough, and so you

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Speaker 5: got to find you know, the value in the in

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Speaker 5: the right tiers.

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Speaker 3: If you have a couple of studs, then you get

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Speaker 3: to stare at your roster and go, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I have something that basically no one else has, because

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Speaker 3: there are people in most dynasty leagues that are scrapping

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Speaker 3: and clawing for anybody who could remotely be in RB two.

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Speaker 3: And then you have somebody like Jason who and our

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Speaker 3: main I mean, he's gonna be sniffing as far as

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Speaker 3: this entire episode because we're gonna be talking about the

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Speaker 3: elite tier of running backs and you've got a couple

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 2: Buddy, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: And yet is there some like feeling inside knowing like

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Speaker 3: this isn't gonna last forever. I know what running backs are,

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Speaker 3: and I look at other rosters and I noticed that, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: they have these other you have good wide receivers, but

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Speaker 3: you don't have the best in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if if you look at Mike and I's roster,

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Speaker 5: two of the powerhouses in our main dynasty league. I

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Speaker 5: have Bjeon and Brice, which is obviously really cool in

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Speaker 5: a dynasty league to have what is most people's running

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Speaker 5: back one and running back two on the same roster.

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Speaker 5: But he's got Jamar Chase at Ceedee Lamb, which are

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Speaker 5: a lot of people's wide receiver one and wide receiver

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Speaker 5: two on the roster, and I would of course much

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Speaker 5: rather have Ceedee Lamb and Jamar Chase. Then I would

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Speaker 5: rather have than Bjeon and Brece.

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Speaker 3: The way that you acquire running backs.

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Speaker 4: Two.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that when we get to some of

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Speaker 3: these players. It can be different. Prinston Jason kind of

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Speaker 3: lucked into getting Beijon. He traded for a first.

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Speaker 2: Oh how dare you lucky?

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Speaker 3: I am so lucky I did.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what it cost me to get that

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Speaker 2: one on one.

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Speaker 5: I knew there was a team that was so clearly awful,

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Speaker 5: and I traded a lot to get their their first

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Speaker 5: round or we didn't know what picker was going to be,

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Speaker 5: but it was pretty it was pretty much gonna be

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Speaker 5: their one or two. But then I don't know if

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Speaker 5: you remember, I traded way too much to get Travis

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Speaker 5: Etn from that same team because he was his only

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Speaker 5: became the one on one and it worked. And so yeah,

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Speaker 5: if you're listening, I also have Travis Etn.

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Speaker 3: I you know, we have taken that same strategy where

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Speaker 3: we have slowly but surely taken out this other team

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Speaker 3: where we have their first we traded for it a

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Speaker 3: could possibly have the one on one. So it's different

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Speaker 3: in each lee. And I know we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 3: McCaffrey today because he's not normal when you talk about

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Speaker 3: the life cycle of a dynasty running back and how

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Speaker 3: it works, We're gonna talk about saquon two bets, and

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Speaker 3: I want to get some of your thoughts on scheme

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Speaker 3: and how that works. I mean, we're we're in the

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Speaker 3: the rookies are. I mean, this is an exciting time.

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Speaker 3: So we got a lot of stuff. You guys have

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Speaker 3: actually had a lot of busy things. Jason, you've had

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Speaker 3: some own stuff with house stuff and bets. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: you've got nothing going on recently or coming up.

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Speaker 4: Nothing. Twenty twenty four has been so boring, and it

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Speaker 4: probably gonna be so really boring for the rest of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're probably not even gonna have You're probably not

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Speaker 5: even gonna have another baby here very very soon, probably not.

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Speaker 4: Imagine doing that in you know, early August with working

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Speaker 4: in football, Yeah, imagine we're.

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Speaker 5: Gonna talk to you as yeah, as your employer. I

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Speaker 5: really wanted to talk to you about your procreation cycle, Bets,

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Speaker 5: because we really need to make sure you know you're

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Speaker 5: you're timing this up where that baby comes around March

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Speaker 5: next time, if you want bets number four.

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Speaker 2: This was really difficult on us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, congratulations, pea kind the curtain for everyone. I think

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Speaker 4: we mentioned it either on I don't know if it

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Speaker 3: But a bunch of shows.

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Speaker 4: The bets is are we're rolling out starting five, you know,

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Speaker 4: in a couple of weeks here with three kids, our

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Speaker 4: third under three. Pray for us please while also enduring

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Speaker 4: you know, mid August and the NFL season. So this

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Speaker 4: year the show, I'm sure my takes will be just

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Speaker 4: on point. I'll have plenty of sleep, there will be

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Speaker 4: no shortage of that. But man, my caffeine addiction this

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Speaker 4: fall is going to be is going to be next level.

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Speaker 4: So exciting. Time is in the best house Bets household,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, also crazy times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So right now we're in mid July, but we're

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Speaker 3: about to head right into August and we're gonna get

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Speaker 3: some training camp, We're gonna get some preseason, get a

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Speaker 3: that you're up to date on stuff, the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: four Ultimate Draft Kit is always updating. We're getting depth

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Speaker 3: some brand and Iyuke information. Just trying to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 3: how is this going to get sorted out? How is

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Speaker 3: this team? What does it look like in Dynasty? So

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Speaker 3: through and when I create my spreadsheets. Everything I do

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Speaker 3: So some of the stats we talk about on the show,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting them straight from our website. But the consistency

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Speaker 3: score is something that we refer to a lot. Jason,

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Speaker 3: a quick question from Sean says you mentioned the consistency ratings,

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Speaker 3: how are those compiled and what are some takeaways from

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Speaker 5: Yeah, consistency is super important. I mean we talk a lot,

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Speaker 5: especially on the betting side, like the volatility, the massive

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Speaker 5: performances that happen and help in in best balls and

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Speaker 5: you know other formats where you've got to go crazy.

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Speaker 5: But in your dynasty leagues, in your redraft leagues, in

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Speaker 5: playing in, consistency is really really important. Like, for instance,

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Speaker 5: DJ Moore last year, Dj Moore had a great He

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Speaker 5: for a wide receiver in half PPR scoring, it's ten

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Speaker 5: all we're saying is how often are they giving you

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Speaker 5: How often are they an active you know, you roll

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Speaker 5: Moore was the wide receiver six and only forty seven

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Speaker 5: career length because otherwise younger guys would be skewed. They

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Speaker 5: also don't factor in games that are completely missed due

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Speaker 5: that that's gonna affect your consistency score, but it's your

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Speaker 3: If you analyze your dynasty team, which is something I

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Speaker 3: I have George Pickens. I'm excited about him, but you

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Speaker 3: weeks you want, so you can sort by top twelve weeks.

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Speaker 3: I know, for tight ends. Top twelve is fine, but

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Speaker 3: I want to I want a guy who's like top

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Speaker 5: So honestly, at the onesie position, even a quarterback top

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Speaker 2: But essentially, over the course of a year, if you're like.

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Speaker 5: You know, performance at a onesie position.

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Speaker 3: with you, boys, So let's play a game.

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Speaker 1: I want to play a game.

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Speaker 2: Oh you and your games.

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Speaker 4: Love them.

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Speaker 3: You guys are astute, smart people. I'm talking to the

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Speaker 3: that's nice. You know he's hitting that. But I'm looking

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Speaker 3: I want you guys to put these guys in order, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, and Justin Herbert. And the only

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Speaker 5: Oh man, let's see. This is this is not helpful.

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Speaker 5: This is just this is called you want to play

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Speaker 4: Yes, so Jason and I are seeing that clearly. I

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Speaker 3: exact same games? Okay, sixteen games between Brendan Ayuk, Chris Olave,

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me let me first ask this question.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think those are close. As far as consistency,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Among wide receivers, Chrystal Lobby gave you the threshold

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you went, you went. Dallas isn't really a doll.

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Speaker 3: There's no other I could have gone, Dalton, Dalton, Keene.

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Speaker 3: Guys got it right. Schultz got it Kinkaid. And I

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Speaker 5: Hmmm, I'm going to go Breese Saw, Jamiir Gibbs, Bijon.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you guys were a little off because Bijeon was

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Speaker 2: No way, yes you don't.

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Speaker 3: In our consistency. If you go to his player profile,

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Speaker 3: And if you throw out that game, the one you're

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Speaker 5: So I'm I so here's I remember the frustrations at

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Speaker 5: Well, the best part is they were you know, they

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Speaker 3: You should have had a team conference. I feel like

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Speaker 2: The bye week. I should have got the bye week.

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Speaker 5: ate a lot of burgers, just having.

437
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: A good time, you know, with the boys. He did

438
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 3: stay in the top ten for at least one more

439
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: year after that. But there are some names if you

440
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: look at this list, and I can put it out

441
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: there on socials, but one hit wonders. I mean, let

442
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 3: me we list some of these guys that if you remember,

443
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: like Okay, for a hot minute, it made sense that

444
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 3: they were a top ten Dynasty. Running Back tj yelled

445
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 3: in yep, Jaya Jai. Who is When I think of

446
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: Jaya Ji, I think of Brooks as like one of

447
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 3: Brooks's favorite players from those early days. Jordan Howard had

448
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: a moment in the Sun.

449
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean were those fourth round running

450
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 5: backs They get their moment, but they don't last forever.

451
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 3: Kareem Hunt's interesting because he had that rookie year and

452
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: then obviously.

453
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah he would have been he would have been outstanding.

454
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 5: I mean he what did he have nine touchdowns last season?

455
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 5: As you know, the old busted version of him. So

456
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 5: if he didn't have the off the field stuff, he belonged.

457
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: There a couple other names, former Eagles great Miles Sanders

458
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 3: had a moment in the sun, but he was the

459
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 3: top ten guy.

460
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: That might have been arguably the best chance we'll have

461
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 4: in dynasty over the no next like last ten years,

462
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 4: in the next ten years of like this dude is

463
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 4: probably the most screaming obvious cell candidate that exists. Those

464
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 4: come around once in a while. Running back that was

465
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 4: one of those.

466
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 3: And then you had a little brief moment of sun

467
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: for cam Akers. C h was on there for a

468
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: hot second. Javante is obviously one that is painful to

469
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: look at because he was a top five Dynasty running

470
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty two and then was never seen

471
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: from again. Same thing with DeAndre Swift, where was elevated

472
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: before we actually saw performance. But the reason I bring

473
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: up a lot of these names is that it's really

474
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: hard for guys to stay in a top ten value

475
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 3: status at running back in that Spansin is twenty fifteen,

476
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: an average of four point four running backs dropped out

477
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: of the top ten the next year, and that makes sense,

478
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: Like we talked about that with wide receivers, this is

479
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 3: gonna happen. It also makes sense when you see the

480
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: guys that are ranked at like the seven, eight, nine

481
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 3: starting to get a little older, and there's some years

482
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: where there's just not enough running backs to go around.

483
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: You have to break somebody there. So that's gonna be

484
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Speaker 3: the conversation I think we have today. I did want

485
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: to mention that Saquon Barkley, in terms of Dynasty values

486
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: and ADP startups, has been in the top ten for

487
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: seven straight years.

488
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 5: Well, we're going to talk about Saquon a little bit

489
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 5: more in depth when we get to him on the show.

490
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 5: But I'm really curious because I've kind of got a take,

491
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 5: and I'm curious where you guys are going to land

492
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 5: on him.

493
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he should be interested. CMC has done it for

494
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: six straight years. He was the RB eleven two years

495
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 3: before that, Gurley and Zeke were five straight and right

496
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: now Jonathan Taylor is going on four. So let's talk

497
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: about these.

498
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: Tears dynasty rankings.

499
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 3: Like we did with wide receivers. I went through the

500
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: Ballers Dynasty startup rankings, which you can find in the

501
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: Ultimate Draft Kit and kind of breaking him out in tiers.

502
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: And the reason why we talk about tiers with dynasties

503
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 3: because we don't have point projections. They are kind of

504
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: arbitrary values of where you look at certain players because

505
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: we're looking over a course of not just one year,

506
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: but two or three years. So if you want to

507
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 3: go back to the wide receiver episodes, we did that.

508
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: This is my opinion. So if you guys disagree with me,

509
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 3: feel free to tell them I'm wrong. But I only

510
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: have one player in Tier one.

511
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 2: I think you're wrong.

512
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: I agree, I think you're wrong.

513
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine.

514
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 5: But I did notice because yesterday you did not have

515
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 5: one player in Tier one, and I noticed you changed

516
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: it today when you were putting this together. And I

517
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 5: you know, I think part of that is you just

518
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: don't want me to have both of the Tier one

519
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 5: backs on my Dynasty.

520
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: Roster, Kyle, but I got him, and you can't take

521
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: it from me.

522
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: I do hate it, hate it very much, all right.

523
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: So I have Bejeon Robinson as he's ranked number one,

524
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: so I think we'd all agree he belongs here. Twenty

525
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: two and a half years old. I want to kind

526
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: of paint the picture that Bijon was better than what

527
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 3: we remember last year.

528
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 5: He was outstanding. But first I want to let the

529
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 5: listeners know how you broke that tier down. Name Wise,

530
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 5: it's the propheside one which is so good for Bijon.

531
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Bijon is the one that before Jason talked

532
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: up Bijon for a long time. If you played Dynasty

533
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 3: or Debbie like you knew about Bijeon, and then Jason

534
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: would bring it up every single day in the office

535
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: to the point.

536
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 5: Of, oh, we got to drop the Bijon minute.

537
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: It came to the point where if he did not

538
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: get drafted in a good spot, Jason would cease to exist.

539
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: So I remember that day when he got drafted. I

540
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 3: have that, you know, videotape because and it was my Falcons.

541
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: So I felt great in terms of like dynasty, but

542
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: also not great about team building. But anyway, that aside,

543
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: what do you think the overall feeling is for dynasty

544
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: managers after year one bets of Beijon, Just the feeling

545
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: this the vibes.

546
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: I mean, largely unchanged. It's obviously a very different conversation

547
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 4: in terms of redraft expectations that we had in twenty

548
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: twenty three, where we touched on it already a little bit.

549
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: It's just the frustrations of getting pulled up the goal

550
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 4: line or just games where he would randomly disappear or

551
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 4: stuff like that. But just from a talent level perspective

552
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: of what you saw, you know, all the stuff that

553
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 4: we were annoyed by was not his fault. So everyone

554
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 4: is still equally as excited, if not more excited for

555
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 4: your two. Obviously with the coaching change of what is

556
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: going to come this year for the Falcons offense, and

557
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: for Bijon, So I think largely unchanged in terms of

558
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: dynasty value. Almost every site you look at or rankings

559
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: list you look at is going to have number one

560
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: or number two, so value of sky high, expectations are

561
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: sky high. I think it's it's mostly the same.

562
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: He had three hundred opportunities last year and only five

563
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: other running backs had more total yards, but he did

564
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 3: it on fifty one percent of the backfield touches. If

565
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: you look at all the other guys that were ahead

566
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: of him in total yards, I mean they had seventy percent,

567
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: seventy two percent, sixty two, seventy six, seventy six percent

568
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: of the backfield touches. We all expect that to go

569
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: up this year to be around that seventy percent mark.

570
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: And so I think we're not really arguing about this

571
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: player talented. We know that he ran a ton of

572
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: routes and we know this is going to be a

573
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: new offense. So last year, I think based on what

574
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: his touches were, he was awesome with the opportunity. It

575
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: just we wanted more touches. But he's one of eight

576
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: rookie running backs with two hundred and seventy touches over

577
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: the last decade. That doesn't happen that. I think we

578
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: just need to realize, like he got the treatment. But

579
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: I feel like we were asking for a little bit more,

580
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: but he was he was great last year.

581
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 5: We were asking for more because you know, he had

582
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 5: if you look at his red zone work, I mean

583
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: carries inside the ten, he had twelve total attempts inside

584
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: the five. He had three on the season. And this

585
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: is kind of a combination. On one hand, you've got

586
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 5: the ingenuity of Arthur Smith, who would come in and

587
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: get Cardero Patterson the ball or bring in the Hammer

588
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 5: and Algier and you know, and waste the opportunity at

589
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 5: the goal line oftentimes. But also you didn't have that

590
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: many trips to the goal line, you know, comparatively, this

591
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 5: wasn't a high powered offense that was you know, scoring

592
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: the top ten in the NFL. And I do think

593
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 5: with the quarterback change, you're going to have way more

594
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: opportunities for those to go up and you're going to

595
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 5: have more consolidation of the percentage going in. So Bijon

596
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 5: to me, he's the only one, if if every single

597
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 5: running back in the league plays seventeen games Bijon is

598
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 5: the only person this year that could outscore Christian McCaffrey,

599
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: and that.

600
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: To me says that there's no one else. I'd rather

601
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: have it one. But also I think he I think

602
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: it would cost you the most to try to acquire him,

603
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: and exponentially more than even Breeze.

604
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: Hall I have.

605
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 5: You're right, so maybe the tier break is correct, because like,

606
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 5: I have both of them on my team, and if

607
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 5: you wanted to come trade for one of them, I

608
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 5: mean I would be open to taking any Which.

609
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: One did you try start?

610
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: Did you think about trading this offseason?

611
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: Uh? Travis et But yeah, I mean it would certainly

612
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 5: go where I would rather lose Travis etn then I

613
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 5: would rather lose Brese And then and only then.

614
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: Would I give up Bjon. Bison's mine.

615
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 5: And the thing is is most people that have him

616
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 5: you're not going to get him. So he's He's really

617
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 5: mostly a lot. You could argue it is just an

618
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: irrelevant conversation piece. He's going to be great. His value

619
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 5: is awesome. If you have him, congratulations. If you don't,

620
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: don't worry about it. You're not you don't get him.

621
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the scheme change. Though, because I think

622
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: that's the biggest arrow up for me in terms of

623
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: just overall ceiling, because I think you mentioned it. Who

624
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: could have a Christian McCaffrey a all timer type season.

625
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: I think that it's in the books for him with

626
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: this offense and transitioning, so bets, how do you see

627
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: this team changing from not only just running the ball

628
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: at will, but also running the ball with only two

629
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: wide receivers on the field.

630
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was the Arthur Smith thing right, like,

631
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: allergic to three out receivers on the field just didn't

632
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: do it. They were dead last in that rate. The

633
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 4: Rams come over, they're gonna run a lot more three

634
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: out receiver sets. And the rhetoric out of Atlanta is

635
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: it's so funny because my league mates are sending me

636
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: this type of stuff too, like did you guys see this?

637
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: They're going to use them like Christian McCaffrey, Like that's

638
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: kind of the quote right now. But I do think,

639
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 4: like you guys said, his workload will be more than

640
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: what it was a year ago. And I think and

641
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: the data will show that the biggest jump that we

642
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: tend to see from a touch per game standpoint is

643
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: from year one to year two, so sky high ceiling

644
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: for the touch count. But also I think there's a

645
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: chance that he could be more efficient on his touches,

646
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: just based off the fact that if they do have

647
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: three ode receivers on the field, you're not running into,

648
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: you know, a load of boxes as much. It could

649
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: be more efficient. Now, I will also say, like Arthur

650
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: Smith gets a bad rap from Fantasy and all that

651
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: sort of stuff, his rushing attacks have been pretty good,

652
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 4: like going back to his time with Derrek Henry and

653
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: that kind of thing.

654
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: So Derrick Henry, yeah, And I.

655
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: Mean Algier was efficient, like you know, as a rookie, like,

656
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: so his rushing attacks are efficient. I just think in

657
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: general the scoring expectation should be higher. I think we

658
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: get a lot more receiving work, which is kind of

659
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: hard to do. He was already really good as a receiver,

660
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: but Desmond Ritter was like annoyingly decent at scrambling, not

661
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: obviously crazy good, but decently enough. And Kirk Cousins is

662
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: literally giving you a zero in that department, especially coming

663
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: off the Achilles. So the amount of dumpoffs he could receive,

664
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: the amount of light boxes wholl receive. If there's a

665
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 4: pass game threat could really boost his efficiency to go

666
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: along with the workload.

667
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just to give you some numbers, five point

668
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: eight yards per carry when three wide receivers were on

669
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: the field last year, only Christian McCaffrey was better. And

670
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: the league average is just better across the board when

671
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: there's three wide receivers. There was four point six per

672
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: carry with three wide receivers, three point seven with two.

673
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: So I think you should see a boost for him.

674
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna get double digit touchdowns and yeah,

675
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: so that's what that was my vote for Why he's

676
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: in his tier of his own, it's going to cost

677
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: you way more, and so in terms of value.

678
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: Any isn't.

679
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 5: It's because you look at you expect everything to be

680
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 5: better going into year two. Everything, the scheme, the offense,

681
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 5: the opportunity, everything should be better. Whereas with Breece, there's

682
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 5: easy ways to paint the picture that some things could

683
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 5: get worse. Obviously, the offense is going to be normously better,

684
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: the offensive line is better. The quarterback, if he's healthy,

685
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: should be better. But also that he became their offense

686
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: last year. With all the little screens on THEFS, you

687
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 5: could see his receiving work come down significantly, still very

688
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 5: involved as a receiver, but yeah, I mean I get that,

689
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 5: I get that, I get that break all right.

690
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: Tier two I'm calling young, wild and free because these guys,

691
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: their range of outcomes is week to week, just like Okay,

692
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: it's running back one, it's I don't know, ten receptions

693
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 3: on the week, which is just crazy to find. That's

694
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: the only McCaffrey's the only other one. So it's Breece Hall,

695
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: it's Jamiir Gibbs, Jason. Do you see a big difference

696
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: between these two knowing you have Breee on your main team,

697
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: but like, is there a big gap between these two guys?

698
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 5: So there is, and there isn't. I think when it

699
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: comes to Fantasy points scored this year, I see them

700
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: very similarly. And I know that bree is coming off

701
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 5: of an injury, but I also know that it takes

702
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: a lot, It takes a certain style, a certain body

703
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 5: to withstand large amounts of volume. You don't usually see

704
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: the smaller guys succeed forever without injury. So I have

705
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 5: a little bit more confidence in Brice Hall than in Gibbs.

706
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 5: But you know, if you look at my redraft projections.

707
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 5: They're right with each other. They're right there, and obviously

708
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 5: both are very young, and Gibbs is on the better offense,

709
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 5: so I you know, to me, the question in dynasty

710
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 5: leagues at running back is always where's Christian McCaffrey. Because

711
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 5: Christian McCaffrey, you could argue, I mean, not an argument,

712
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 5: not an argument, but it could be said a couple

713
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 5: of years from now that this year, if you were

714
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 5: doing a startup the best pick you could have made

715
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 5: it running back is Christian McCaffrey if he does it

716
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 5: for another two or three years, which you just got

717
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 5: the contract extension. You know, we just talked about like, oh,

718
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 5: Bijon's the only one that could if everyone plays, you know,

719
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 5: a full season outscore Christian McCaffrey. But at the same time,

720
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 5: when I'm looking at my startup draft, I couldn't take

721
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 5: Christian McCaffrey over Gibbs because of the age.

722
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: They are just that pick a gap.

723
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that, and I think think, you know,

724
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 4: speaking to Breese specifically, like last year, the conversation all

725
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 4: summer was like how does he perform off the ACL

726
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: and what does his start look like? And how does

727
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: he perform down the stretch and we saw everything we

728
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: wanted to. What's crazy is and if you're in the

729
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 4: Ultimate Draftkit you have access to this article is with

730
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: how good he was. Even still, all that considered, his

731
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 4: efficiency was worse than when he was a rookie on

732
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 4: like a per touch basis, your arts, per care, your

733
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: arts up for contact, that kind of stuff. So now

734
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: it's just like, man, this guy is actually fully healthy,

735
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 4: and he's talked about that, like you know, this off season,

736
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: I'm focused on football. I'm not focused on my knee.

737
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: You get Aaron Rodgers, you get the offensive line investments

738
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: like Breece could just explode and he kind of already

739
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 4: exploded last year. So I am so so excited for

740
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: Breese to be finally fully healthy and see it for

741
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: a full year that if anyone wanted to put him

742
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: into your one, which we kind of said to Kyle,

743
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: maybe he should be there, That's where would I would

744
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: put him. But I agree with the rankings and I

745
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: agree with that assessment.

746
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just this is just mean, but Dalvin Cook

747
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: had over one hundred opportunities of just pure did he

748
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: really diaper gravy? It was terrible? It was not good.

749
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: It was super inefficient. So there's just little things like that.

750
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: And then the offensive line. I will say this team

751
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: feels very fragile on a couple of different levels. Like

752
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: I just I keep coming back to the Jets all

753
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: off seasons, like, oh gosh, I wanted to work for

754
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: like NFL fun standards, but I just I worry a

755
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: little bit about this team. Where you look the lines,

756
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: you go, Okay, I know what this team's gonna be.

757
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be good a year from now.

758
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: Do you think you could want Gibbs more if Montgomery,

759
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: you know, regresses or you know eventually they cut Montgomery.

760
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: Isn't a pending fore agent after this year was a

761
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 4: three year deal.

762
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 5: H I think he's under one more year. We can

763
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 5: we can vet that there are ways that Gibbs could

764
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 5: be more valuable than Briece. I think it's centers around

765
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers more than anything. But Brice is so talented

766
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 5: it's hard for me to remember. You know, I do

767
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 5: all my scouting and evaluations, and those two guys, Brice

768
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 5: and Bejeon. I just was in love. Within the process.

769
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 5: Everyone was with Bijeon, but I actually had Brice as

770
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 5: a prospect rated higher in migrating than I did Bijon.

771
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: As a prospect.

772
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: Another thing to mention about.

773
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: Real quick, Yep, it is three years, you guys, are right.

774
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: The dead cap after the season is just two point

775
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: two million, so whatever they want to do.

776
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, he's just on that fringe. Brice. The reception

777
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 3: work isn't going to be the same. I mean, forty

778
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: eight percent of his Fantasy points through the year. It's

779
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: the highest of any top five running back of the

780
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: last five years. So that's gonna come down. But I

781
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: did find the stat that when they did have the lead,

782
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean they just didn't have it a ton last year,

783
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: But when they had the lead, they had the third

784
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: highest run rate in the league. So they're still gonna

785
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: run the ball. It's not like Rogers comes back and

786
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: all of a sudden. I mean, they threw the ball

787
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: a ton last year, and let's see, they're a fifth

788
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: and pass rate, So I think that's gonna come down.

789
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: I think the efficiency's gonna go up for Breese. Totally

790
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: fine with that, But a year from now, I think

791
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: Gibbs I still love the scene. I love his longevity.

792
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 3: It's a good offense, a good offensive line, They're gonna

793
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: be fine, all right. Tier three, I have McCaffrey and

794
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor in this and maybe McCaffrey needs to be

795
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: in his own tier. He needs to be in his

796
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: own universe because he doesn't really make sense. But I'm

797
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: calling it, don't overthink older. And really, I think a

798
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: lot of times we're preaching to people like, Okay, you

799
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: know you want to trade that guy a year early,

800
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: and I feel like I'm just throwing out that advice

801
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 3: about these two guys, like I just I want these

802
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: guys on my team. And you can make the argument

803
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: that they're about to hit the age cliff or that

804
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: you don't want to be on the wrong side if

805
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: I'm competing, I'm not trying to overthink that I want

806
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: these players. So McCaffrey and Taylor, what do you guys

807
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: think about this tier I have?

808
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: I think it makes complete sense.

809
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 5: They're both both guys that are scoring a ton on

810
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 5: a per game basis that you have extreme confidence in

811
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 5: them being valuable, but you start to worry a little

812
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 5: bit about the age. It's so funny as time has

813
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: gone on and on in dynasty leagues, you know, fifteen

814
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: years ago, it was like, oh, you know, his twenty

815
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 5: nine year old running back, you got to start to

816
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 5: worry because he's going to hit that age thirty, you know,

817
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: age cliff. But as the NFL has changed and caught

818
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: on with these age cliffs, now you got a twenty

819
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 5: five year old Jonathan Taylor and you're going, okay, he's

820
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 5: got the new contract. You're fine, right now, you are fine,

821
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 5: and he should be okay for a couple but man,

822
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: you hit twenty seven, it's get out. Christian mccafferrey's just

823
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 5: he doesn't count like any other back.

824
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: He's a totally different thing. He's an outlier.

825
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: He doesn't need to be valuated on any spectrum outside

826
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 5: of himself.

827
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Taylor's he's so interesting, right because it wasn't that

828
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 4: long ago that we were like, this is the RB

829
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: one in dynasty and then we had the complete, i

830
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: mean crazy season what two years ago wh Jeff Saturday

831
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: was coaching games for that for that team, and then

832
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, this next year, which was twenty twenty three,

833
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: we're getting Jonathan Taylor. And then we had the contract saga,

834
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: and then we had the ankle injury saga and he

835
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: misses time and goes on pup and then he doesn't

836
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: even play with Anthony Richardson. So like, I still feel

837
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: like there's so many moving parts with Jonathan Taylor's season

838
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: outlook that I think will affect his Dynasty value to

839
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 4: some degree. Like I don't know how the Russian touchdowns

840
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 4: are going to shake out between Richardson and Taylor, right

841
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: Like if Richardson has this unreal season and he runs

842
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: for you know, Agillen Hurts esque thirteen touchdowns, like that

843
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: hurts Taylor a little bit. But also Shane Stiken's team

844
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: is gonna be up in pace and they're gonna run

845
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 4: a lot. So I could see Taylor breaking fantasy again

846
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 4: this year because he just did it a couple years ago.

847
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 4: So I think this tier is right for him. I

848
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 4: think the valuation on him is correct. But I guess

849
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: what I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised one way

850
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: or the other how he's valued in Dynasty League's a

851
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: year from now.

852
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: Basically, can he finish his RB one overall this next year?

853
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor?

854
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I don't think so.

855
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: They can't.

856
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: The pass catching work that he's unlikely to get with Richardson.

857
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe because of Anthony Richardson. It's the lack

858
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: of the dump puffs and the vulturing of some of

859
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 5: those touchdowns. I believe he is a lock for a

860
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 5: top twelve running back, but his upside is like that

861
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 5: top three the real game breaker. I think Anthony Richardson

862
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 5: takes that away. That doesn't scare me off from him

863
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 5: being exceptionally important for fantasy, but it does it caps

864
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: his extreme upside to me, I think.

865
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: We all three of us are big fans of Shane Steichen,

866
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: like I think this team overall I'm very high on

867
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four and beyond. It is just they're innovative.

868
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: They run a lot of no huddle and they last

869
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: year they just said, hey, I mean this didn't go

870
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: the way we wanted to, and yet they were competitive

871
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: team right to the very very end. So this year

872
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: you're gonna get the stuff that you wanted to see,

873
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: the RPOs, the Jalen Hurst s offense. So I'm excited

874
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: for this team, and I agree. I think Jonathan Taylor

875
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: is one of those guys that a year from now

876
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: is just gonna hold value. You're not like so many people,

877
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: I get questions that are just like, oh, I just

878
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: need to get out now. I don't want to get

879
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: on the wrong side of stuff. It's like, you need points,

880
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: you need points this year. What are you gonna trade

881
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor away for like a first and a young

882
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: wide receiver that could hit maybe, Like I just feel like,

883
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, do you want to

884
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: stay with these players? And we keep moving that age curve,

885
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: but these human beings are not normal. He's not normal.

886
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: Jonathan something too. If you've held Taylor through the craziness

887
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: of the last couple of years and you are at

888
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: least the top half in your league team, you're not

889
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 4: trading them away now like you finally could get what

890
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: you traded him for, which you know we're hoping to

891
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: get the last couple of seasons. So I think his

892
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 4: trade value, if you have him, is very, very high,

893
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 4: And I think he's gonna be a guy that's difficult

894
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: to get from someone who's stuck with him through the

895
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: last couple of years.

896
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't be scared of the Anthony Richardson's going to

897
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: take all of the touchdowns. Like, yes, there's gonna be

898
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: a lot there, But there's more than enough to be

899
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: able to go around for him to get eight, nine,

900
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: ten touchdowns and the total yardage to be able to

901
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: get there. So, uh, let's take a quick break and

902
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: we have a couple more tiers.

903
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: To get to.

904
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: All right, we're moving on calling it Tier four studs

905
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: with some variables because I like all these players. I

906
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: wish I had them on my dynasty roster, and yet

907
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: a year from now, I'm terrified that they could drop

908
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: out of the top ten. And it's Travis Etn, Saquon Barkley,

909
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: and Kyen Williams running back six, seven, and eight in

910
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: our rankings. Do you guys agree of just like this

911
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: is gonna work? And yet I am terrified one.

912
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: Percent?

913
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 5: They all have enormous yellow flags that could get in

914
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: their way. You know, Travis Etn is really he had

915
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 5: He had a he had a very impressive workhorse season

916
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: last year. He was a first round draft pick, and

917
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 5: so you could say he's done a lot in his career.

918
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: You can also make an argument that he pretty much

919
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: has only had one stretch, one super stretch of double

920
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 5: digit touchdowns, you know, every week for like a month

921
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 5: where he was great for fantasy last year, and then

922
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 5: outside of that, he hasn't done much in his career.

923
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: So if he comes back to that like baseline where

924
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: he's not just getting a ton of touchdowns every game,

925
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 5: he could fall out. Uh, Kien Williams, I mean, this

926
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 5: is the guy that scares me the most for falling

927
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 5: out because he doesn't have the draft capital to stay there.

928
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: He's got up a decent draft capital guy behind him now.

929
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 5: But I super believe in Kien Williams. I super duper

930
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 5: believe that he's gonna be great this year. Even if

931
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 5: he is, he could fall out. But Saguon Barkley, the

932
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: elder statesman of this group, the range of outcomes on

933
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: him is enormous, cause I don't think we're going to

934
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 5: see him be DeAndre Swift this year for the Eagles.

935
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 5: I don't think you're gonna come and see a decent season.

936
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 5: I believe you're gonna look back and say he's just

937
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 5: he doesn't really have it anymore. He's a good running

938
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 5: back two for fantasy, is on a decent offense or

939
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 5: and this is what I really wanted to bring up.

940
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: My take.

941
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 5: It feels like one of those players that at the

942
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 5: end you say, oh, we should have seen this coming.

943
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: We should have seen.

944
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 5: I'm right, I get that, but we should have seen

945
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 5: that Saquon Barkley, who's an exceptional athlete, is not aged out,

946
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 5: has been a superstar in the NFL. That when he

947
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 5: gets off of an inept broken offense with no other

948
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 5: weapons on it and a terrible offensive line and goes

949
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 5: across division to one of the best offensive lines in

950
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 5: the league with great pass catchers and a quarterback to

951
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 5: take pressure off you, and he gets to run through giant,

952
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 5: gaping holes. Like I think, this is the type of

953
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 5: player you could look back and say, we should have

954
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: just seen he was gonna have an unbelievably awesome season

955
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 5: and stopped worrying about, you know, the vultured touchdowns and

956
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 5: instead start taking advantage of the great offense. It's not

957
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 5: like he had the opportunities for touchdowns to be vultured,

958
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 5: you know, over the last couple of years.

959
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I agree. I mean there's warning signs that

960
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 4: you're like.

961
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: But you don't count because you're an Eagles fan. I mean,

962
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: you're an Eagles you know what I mean. Well, you

963
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: don't count.

964
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, buddy, No, The biggest conversation around Saquon largely

965
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 4: has been like, are the Eagle's gonna touch poster or not?

966
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: Without Kelsey? That's what like a lot of people are

967
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 4: trying to figure out. My take is that they will

968
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: still do it unless they get four or five weeks

969
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: in and it's not working. But it's worked at a

970
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: ninety five percent clip. If you're any sort of analytically

971
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 4: minded organization, why would you say I'm not doing that

972
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: anymore because we lost one guy, and yes he's a

973
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame center, I'm not saying that. But they're

974
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 4: gonna try it and if it works, they're gonna keep

975
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 4: doing it, and if not, they will stop. But the

976
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 4: thing is about Johndrey Swift. He said he still got

977
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: work inside the ten yard line, like they're not touch

978
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: pushing from the eight yard line, right, and he just

979
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: didn't convert those. He wasn't able to get those and

980
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: was Swift. Almost all of his yards last year came

981
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: before contact. So you get a better runner who's more talented,

982
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: and you're gonna give him those yards before contact and

983
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 4: also the ability to maybe break more tackles and create

984
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 4: more explosive plays. I see how this is like, oh,

985
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: Saewon finishes the RB two, How could we have not

986
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 4: seen that coming. I also see a situation where he

987
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: doesn't get you know, an elite workload as far as

988
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: the pass catcher, which he has gotten previously with the Giants,

989
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: that you're like, okay, he was the RB nine, Like

990
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: that was good, but wasn't great. I definitely see both

991
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: sides of it. So yeah, his evaluation both were redrafted

992
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 4: in Dynasty is wild.

993
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: Let me just contrast the two teams, the Giants and

994
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: Eagles from last year. Last year, the Giants thirtieth in

995
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: red zone plays per game. The Eagles were tenth running

996
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: back carries inside the ten, So talking about Swift last year,

997
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: the Giants were thirtieth, the Eagles were four. That's running

998
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: back carries. It's not even talking about hurts. And then

999
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: of course the O line stuff. So I think, yes,

1000
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: we're gonna get an upgrade. The biggest thing, also for me,

1001
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: is looking at the scheme change of what the Eagles

1002
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 3: are gonna do. It's it's so funny when you start

1003
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 3: projecting teams and you go, okay, what is Saquon gonna

1004
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: do in the Eagles, But then you can't really use

1005
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 3: the Eagles plays last year because they had a different

1006
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: of coordinator and now they're bringing Kellen Moore. So then

1007
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: do you look at the Chargers. It's like you're using

1008
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: about three or four different things to try to hone

1009
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: in on this. And my biggest thing I found is

1010
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: that seventy four percent of the Eagles rush attempts were

1011
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: in shotgun last year. That's where they live. They were

1012
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: number one in the league in shotgun. I think with

1013
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: Kellen Moore, you're gonna see a little bit more under center.

1014
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: You're gonna see a little bit more pistol formations where

1015
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: Saquan has been more comfortable in the past. And the

1016
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: problem last year is just super predictable, Like you kind

1017
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: of knew what they were gonna do if they were

1018
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: under center. Uh, it was very clear. They had twenty

1019
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: three total pass attempts under center last year. It was

1020
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: just dreadfully low. So I mean, he had as many

1021
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: completions under center as Daniel Jones did. Dan Jones only

1022
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: played in six games, so I think hurts. They're gonna

1023
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: get him out in a couple different formations. I think

1024
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: it's gonna be good for Saquon He's still a good

1025
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: pass catcher, and Hurts has been better than you think

1026
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: throwing the ball of running backs not as bad as

1027
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. But I did find this

1028
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: that too, because Jason you brought it up. Saquon is

1029
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 3: a different human being in terms of physically different. He's

1030
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 3: been in the top ten for so long since twenty thirteen.

1031
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: Only two running backs inside the top ten stayed there

1032
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: if they were twenty seven years old going to the

1033
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: next year, Adrian Peterson and Christian McCaffrey. And Saquon Barkley

1034
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: is on that cusp this year where he could stay

1035
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: in and I think he's of the different ill So

1036
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's gonna gain value, but I think

1037
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 3: looking at this group, I feel most comfortable with Saquon

1038
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: over Etan and Kiren.

1039
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: Kien.

1040
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 5: Kiren could have an unbelievable phenomenal season better than Saquon's

1041
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 5: good season and still lose value in the offseason narratives

1042
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 5: and you know, the the Blake Korum hype or any anything.

1043
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's avenues where that could happen. He

1044
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 5: is just not as famous, he's not as paid, he's

1045
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 5: not as invested in the draft. He's just been really

1046
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 5: good for them in a short period of time.

1047
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: I haven't been touching Kyen in any format this offseason.

1048
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: It's terrified. I'm not saying it's a great, thoughtful decision,

1049
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: but it just terrifies me so much. So have you

1050
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: guys in your leagues seen Kyen being moved because I've

1051
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: seen that in a couple of my dynastagues where it's

1052
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: like one person thinks they know and the other person's like,

1053
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: I think I want out, and it's like, I don't

1054
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: think both of those guys are correct, and so it

1055
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: feels very polarizing because there is a chance for just

1056
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: a median outcome. He's good but not great, or he's

1057
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: not just like thrown to the curb. So, Betts, what

1058
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: have you seen in your leagues?

1059
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I mean famously was lucky enough to join

1060
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: Dinah Junior this offseason and inherited a Karen Williams team.

1061
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: And the context of the team is important. It's super

1062
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 4: top heavy. There was like no depth at the running

1063
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: back position. There was no picks. So I was like, Okay,

1064
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: I see the downside case for Karen Williams value. I

1065
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 4: think I traded him for James Cook and a second

1066
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 4: and I also sent a third I think was the deal.

1067
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: So it was like, let me get a little bit

1068
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 4: better rookie pick, maybe get a running back who could

1069
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: come close to him in production, and I feel good

1070
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 4: about James Cook's value beyond this year, whereas Karen hangs

1071
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 4: in the balance now for redraft, Like, I still think

1072
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 4: Karen is going to be so good. So I kind

1073
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 4: of am talking out of both sides of my mouth

1074
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 4: with how you value him in certain league formats, and

1075
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: like in basketball, I'm taking Kyen. So I have seen

1076
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: different managers in different dynasty leagues value him differently. Where

1077
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 4: people do think he's the guy and they're not scared

1078
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 4: by Blake Corum. I've seen other people that are terrified

1079
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: of Blake Coorum. So I think it's league dependent.

1080
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: I think it's a perfect example of how in dynasty

1081
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: value is arbitrary. It is kind of up in the

1082
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: air when you're at this point of the season because

1083
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: you're projecting or you're just taking what he did last year,

1084
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: which was incredible and yet also super touchdown heavy, where

1085
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, Cooper Cup didn't get as many as you

1086
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: would think you're gonna get Blake Krum, get some more competition.

1087
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I've been mostly out, but I don't.

1088
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's a super educated take. It's just

1089
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 3: my own emotional and someone who's not a Kiren manager

1090
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: at all.

1091
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hate touchdowns, so no, why.

1092
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: Would you want those? James Cook he's He's definitely the

1093
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 3: running back you need if you want to touchdown.

1094
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 4: Well, what's funny is on our Best Ball conversations all summer,

1095
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: Kyle's been like, I'm out of Brandon Ayuk, I'm out

1096
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 4: of Karen Williams. So he just he just hates the

1097
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 4: good players, which is which is always funny.

1098
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: I like math, and math tells me that should not

1099
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: work again, Sair enough, all right? Last year here, I'm

1100
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: calling it tier five youthful question marks. And we haven't

1101
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: mentioned him yet, but Devon h Chan is a player

1102
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: that on keep Trade cut Guys, what if I told

1103
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: you he's the RB.

1104
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: Five, I would one believe it.

1105
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 4: Yep, it's that makes sense.

1106
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: I could not in a startup draft take him at

1107
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: RB five, Like, there's no way I could do that

1108
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: and feel good about my teams.

1109
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 5: So when I am looking at him in redraft, I

1110
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 5: am terrified and I take him often where he right now.

1111
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 5: I think he's the running back eight in redraft leagues

1112
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 5: because I want that extreme upside that very few assets have.

1113
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 5: Devon h Chan has it. I mean, you saw every

1114
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: single time he touched the ball. If he takes over

1115
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: and becomes, you know, a sixty five percent of the

1116
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 5: backfield type of guy and he's still as efficient, he's

1117
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 5: going to be able to help break fantasy And I

1118
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 5: am terrified in a redraft format of grabbing him because

1119
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 5: of his size and the committee nature of the backfield.

1120
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 5: He's in the volume that you expect him to not receive,

1121
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 5: and so in a dynasty league where you could lose

1122
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 5: value and you're undersized, it's really hard to push him up.

1123
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 5: I know he's obviously young coming into his second season,

1124
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 5: but uh yeah, he is. He is terrifying you. I

1125
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 5: just hope that I already had him.

1126
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1127
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, I got a value on him in

1128
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 5: my rookie drafts last year, and we because I can't.

1129
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna pay up to trade for him, and

1130
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: I would. I mean, if someone wants to trade him

1131
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 5: as the running back five, I would be willing to

1132
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 5: unload him. And that's coming as a devon h Chan truther,

1133
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 5: Like I believe in him. When he landed in Miami,

1134
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 5: I was, I was, I was all in. I got

1135
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 5: him on a lot of teams, but his you know,

1136
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 5: it's like we I talk about Gibbs. Gibbs' size scares.

1137
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: Me a little bit.

1138
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 5: You know, Gibbs is Gibbs is not as small as

1139
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 5: a chan e Chan is very petite.

1140
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: I have a Chan on a team and I draft

1141
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: him the second round last year in a rookie draft,

1142
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: and so it's one of those things. I was like, sweet,

1143
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: I have gold. I found it. Now what do I

1144
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: do with him? Do I cash in now? But when

1145
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: I look at the roster, I'm like everyone else, I

1146
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 3: need running backs. So right now he's my RB one

1147
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: on my roster, and I can't really feel like I'm

1148
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 3: getting the value I need where this team has tons

1149
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 3: of wide receivers and no running backs, So I don't know, bets,

1150
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: where do you see him a year from now? Like

1151
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: what's his because his range of outcomes is he's Jamal

1152
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: Charles and you're missing out on a guy who's like

1153
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: top three or top four a year from now.

1154
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when someone flashes that much as a rookie,

1155
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 4: like we should largely believe that he's capable of those things. Again, now,

1156
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 4: because he's a video game character eight yards per carry,

1157
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 4: maybe he will or probably not, right, but at the

1158
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 4: same time, you tell yourself a story where it's like, Okay,

1159
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 4: Devon HM was arguably the most explosive player, not just

1160
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 4: running back period in the NFL raheem moster. It's been

1161
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 4: defying the age cliff for a while. He's coming off

1162
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 4: an insane career season in touchdowns. If those regress a

1163
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 4: little bit and go more towards h N with the

1164
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 4: explosiveness he has, like this dude could break fantasy this year,

1165
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: and I don't want to miss out on that, right,

1166
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: So I'm keeping him, especially if I'm a top half

1167
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 4: of the league type of team where you know we're

1168
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 4: trying to shoot for like the top range of outcomes. Anyway,

1169
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: there's only one winner in your league, like play for first.

1170
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 4: I'm keeping eight chan. Now, if someone wants to come

1171
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 4: with me and say, like I value him as a

1172
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: top three, top four guy, okay, we can talk, but

1173
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 4: I don't think he's valued there in a lot of

1174
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 4: leagues where you know, like you said, Keith Trey Cut

1175
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 4: has him as a top five guy. It's probably league dependent,

1176
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 4: but it would take a lot for me to move

1177
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: him right now because the ceiling, as we all know,

1178
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: is just insane.

1179
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's so good, so good. He's so good. I'm

1180
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 5: just being sizest like that's it. He's one hundred and

1181
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 5: eighty eight pounds. If it was two oh eight, i'd

1182
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 5: be I mean everyone, everyone in the world will be in.

1183
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 5: But it's like, ah, he dealt with three injuries, but

1184
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 5: he's so good. He's he's like my favorite guy to

1185
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 5: root for in the entire league. Who terrifies the crap

1186
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 5: out of me.

1187
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: All right, let me put this to the testing. Because

1188
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: you're contender. Would you rather have Devan a chan as

1189
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 3: your RB one or Saquon Barkley.

1190
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 2: A Chan?

1191
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: I would rather have a chan.

1192
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: I. If you're competing this year, I just wonder who's

1193
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: gonna make you feel better as a start at RB one.

1194
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I think your confidence going into week one

1195
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 5: would be Saquon. I think you'd be like, I know

1196
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: he's gonna get more work. But at the same time, man, I.

1197
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 3: Just need to ride dirty. That's the thing. I need

1198
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: to just throw a caution in the wind. He's my

1199
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: RB one. I'm not proud of it, but it's fun

1200
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: like that. I wouldn't have constructed my team this way.

1201
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 5: He worked every time he touched the ball, every time.

1202
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 5: The NFL could not handle him. You know that four

1203
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: three two speed is a different level. They're just not

1204
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 5: they're not. They're used to seeing fast running backs, but

1205
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 5: they're not used to seeing four to three to two

1206
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 5: from from a running back with vision and balance, And like,

1207
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 5: you know, he isn't just some track star who isn't

1208
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 5: a good running back. He is a track star who

1209
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 5: is a good running back. And that's that's a rare breed.

1210
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, on a team that knows how to use it.

1211
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 3: I mean sixty percent of the run of their runs

1212
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: were outside, like meaning like around the end. The league

1213
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: average is around thirty six percent, So sixty percent of

1214
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: the time when they're running the ball, they're saying, let's

1215
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: give it to the fastest studentes in the league. And

1216
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: they have the personnel.

1217
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: Now.

1218
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: They did lose a couple of offensive lineman Robert Hunt

1219
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: is now in the Panthers, but They're just gonna keep

1220
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: doing the same thing, man, and people can't figure it

1221
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: out because you can't really tackle speed. I also realized

1222
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: that I never mentioned the other running backs in this tier.

1223
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: We just started talking about eight Chan, and I kind

1224
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: of got distracted because that's what he does. So I

1225
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: have eight Chan, Kenneth Walker, who I have no idea

1226
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: what to do with him, Isaamha Cheka, who've talked up

1227
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: a lot, James Cook We've also talked a lot, and

1228
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: then Jonathan Brooks has been a player We've said, hey,

1229
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: a year from now, he's probably gonna be more valuable.

1230
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: So the biggest problem with Cook is bets like how

1231
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: many touchdowns are getting Do you see what his line

1232
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 3: is on the season?

1233
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 4: Yes, I did. I think it's three and a half and.

1234
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: A half first starting running back is so sad.

1235
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 4: I mean, this team was subbing in Latavius Murray as

1236
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 4: the oldest NFL player in the league last or not

1237
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: in the league, running back in the league last year

1238
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: at the goal line, so I get it. But his

1239
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: his usage as far as receiving profile, of course, with

1240
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator change was awesome. And there was an author,

1241
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 4: a scholar, you know, someone who writes novels that was

1242
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 4: just telling us for years that vacated targets go to

1243
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 4: running backs. I don't remember which site that was from.

1244
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know who that was, but

1245
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: a smart mans. This team just lost Steph Diggs and

1246
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 4: Gabe Davis, and I think they're gonna be a lot

1247
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 4: lot of receiving work for James Cook, so it might

1248
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 4: balance out with the lack of elite touchdown upside.

1249
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 5: I mean, this is the guy that finishes the running

1250
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 5: back eleven last year with two rushing touchdowns, and you're

1251
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 5: drafting him right now in redraft past that at ADP.

1252
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 5: I do think he is undervalued right now. He's on

1253
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 5: a great offense, and I expect his passing work to

1254
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 5: be there. He's probably not gonna get more than four

1255
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 5: or five touchdowns. Five touchdowns is like peak, but he

1256
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 5: could also he could end up adding four more through

1257
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 5: the air. And if he were to get four or

1258
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 5: five on the ground, four or five through the air

1259
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 5: and end up with nine touchdowns, he'll be a really,

1260
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 5: really huge win.

1261
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: The only variable I want to throw out is I

1262
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 3: think Joe Brady is not a good offensive coordinator. I

1263
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: think he's fine, and I think he's kind of lived

1264
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: off of who else he's been around with other teams,

1265
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: So I just worry that a lot of other people

1266
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 3: figure him out over time. That's kind of been the

1267
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 3: theme throughout his career as a play caller, and I

1268
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: just I'm a little worried about this team taking a

1269
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: step back overall in terms of overall like touchdowns, yards

1270
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 3: and everything we expect from the Bills. But I mean

1271
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: the list of running backs with four or fewer touchdowns

1272
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: in their first two years over the last decade. Guys,

1273
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 3: it's Devin Singletary, Alfred Blue, tj Yeldon, and James Cook.

1274
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 4: Those are the blue I have not heard that name

1275
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: in so long.

1276
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, people with a lot of work and no rushing touchdowns.

1277
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 3: So last little question here, tell me what to do

1278
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: with Kenneth Walker, because I feel like he should be

1279
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: ranked here, and yet I don't really want him on

1280
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: my teams, and I haven't been trading for him, and

1281
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: I would not feel confident at all if he was

1282
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: my RB one for my team, and yet we have

1283
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 3: him ranked as a basically fringe top ten running back.

1284
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 4: I think it tells you a lot about the state

1285
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 4: to running back.

1286
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 3: I feel like everybody feels the same way about Kenneth Walker.

1287
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like if I got him, sure that's fine,

1288
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 4: but no one's excited to go trade for him.

1289
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1290
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 5: He's kind of the reason that I believe Karen Williams

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01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 5: can lose value because Kenneth Walker was you know, it

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Speaker 5: was people are scared about him. When sharbon A came,

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Speaker 5: I was scared. I was scared Sharbona was going to

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Speaker 5: come in and make this time share. And then Kenneth

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Speaker 5: Walker was just great, and he was the lead guy

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Speaker 5: when he was healthy. He was the clear leader. He

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 5: was the better fantasy essay. He did everything you wanted

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 5: to see. And the rookie Charboney did not really make

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Speaker 5: a huge impact, did not have a gigantic detriment to him.

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Speaker 5: And still going into the next year, Kenneth Walker has

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Speaker 5: lost value, perceived value, And you know, it's like, uh yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean he's he is important because you need running backs.

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 5: He is not exciting, and I don't think people believe

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01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 5: that it's arrow up even though he still very young.

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Speaker 2: And I am very.

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Speaker 5: Excited for the Seattle Seahawks offensive system bringing over, you know,

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 5: the system from Washington. I think it works for their

1308
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 5: personnel quite a bit. But I mean, I literally am

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 5: super excited for the Seahawks offense, probably more than any offense,

1310
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 5: for the change at the coordinator and don't care about Walker.

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01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 5: How is that true?

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: It feels like it's like a friend that you're inviting

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01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 3: to a dinner party that you're like, I mean, you're

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01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: you're invited, You're part of my friends, but I don't

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01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 3: really want to hang out with you there. Like it's

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01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: like I'm going to your or you're going to their

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 3: lake house, but you don't really want to hang out

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01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 3: with them there. It's like, I just can't fathom thinking

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01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna trade for Kenneth Walker if he's on your team, great,

1320
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: and trading him away I feel like you won't get

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: the value deserve. So he just feels like a hold

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01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 3: and players that you hold in dynasty end up losing value.

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: Like a year from now, is he worth as much?

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01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 4: Probably not, I don't think so, I will say too.

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: One thing with Seattle, that's you know, it's one of

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01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 4: those questions you have to ask yourself on these backs.

1327
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 4: You know, he had the loyalty of Pete Carroll Obviously,

1328
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 4: you get a new system coming in, you get new coordinators,

1329
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 4: new coaches. Like Ken Walker's calling card has always been

1330
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 4: this boom bust type of guy. If this new coaching

1331
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 4: staff perhaps doesn't love that and they like the consistency

1332
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 4: of Chara daymore, could it be more of a thirty

1333
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 4: five forty five split, fifty to fifty split possible? So, like,

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01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 4: I see a lot of downside cases relatively speaking, and

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01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 4: not a huge ceiling upside case, which is kind of

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Speaker 4: why I think Walker probably loses value.

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Speaker 3: All Right, one more segment, take it or leave it.

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Speaker 3: Taking everything that we have said today, let's give a

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: parting thought of who you are afraid of dropping most

1340
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: in value in twenty twenty four into twenty twenty five,

1341
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 3: and then who will gain the most value over the

1342
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 3: next year. So, Jason, give me your takes.

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll start with who I think is going to

1344
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 5: gain because he's in Tier five, we didn't really talk

1345
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 5: about him. It's Jonathan Brooks, the rookie for the Carolina Panthers,

1346
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 5: who I think is very very good. I believe Jonathan Johnathan.

1347
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 5: I think he will have a way, way better rookie

1348
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 5: year than what his current redraft rankings are and that's

1349
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 5: filtering into dynasty where people assume it's not gonna be

1350
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 5: a good rookie year. I believe the second half of

1351
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 5: the rookie yar is going to be great, and if

1352
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 5: that happens, he'll not just like vault up a few

1353
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 5: spots if he ends up showing out at the second

1354
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 5: half of his rookie year, He's going to go into

1355
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 5: year two being one of those top ten Dynasty running

1356
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 5: back ADP guys. So I see him skyrocketing. And then

1357
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 5: of course the guy that I mean we've been talking

1358
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 5: about that we're afraid of, even though I love him,

1359
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 5: I believe in him. I think he's gonna have a

1360
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 5: great season is Karen Williams. There's just too many ways

1361
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 5: that it can go wrong, and they aren't invested in

1362
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 5: him long term, and should he get an another injury,

1363
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 5: which he's dealt with the majority of his career, even

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01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 5: this last excellent season, then it's like, you know, you're

1365
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 5: I feel like you're blowing out the candle.

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 4: Bet' see makes a lot of sense. I'm with Jason.

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01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 4: I think Jonathan Brooks gains value. We talked about that

1368
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 4: with the rookie Range of out Comes episode Kyle and

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 4: I did. I think where it was just like he

1370
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 4: doesn't really have to do that much this year, like

1371
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 4: even if he's just average to above average, the conversation is, oh,

1372
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 4: he's super young. The other running backs are getting older,

1373
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 4: and it's your two off the acl It's all right there.

1374
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 4: Like the story tells itself. There's been a direct quote

1375
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 4: from Canalis that says, I'm excited to see and show

1376
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 4: you guys how stubborn I can be with running the football.

1377
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 4: This is the guy who just literally said, you know what,

1378
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 4: Rashad White three and a half yards per carry, do

1379
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 4: it again. Just keep going, buddy. So no matter what,

1380
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks is getting a massive workload whenever he's healthy,

1381
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 4: whenever that time comes. But yeah, next year. I think

1382
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 4: his values in his Hi Rocket the guy that I'm

1383
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 4: worried about, and we talked about it with you know,

1384
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 4: the conversation with Saquan is just so many variables with

1385
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 4: how he looks with the new team and the age

1386
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 4: thing and all that sort of stuf. So I think

1387
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 4: Saekwon's the guy mostly based off of his age that

1388
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 4: I think he was his value and.

1389
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 3: I agree with Jason. Kyra Williams terrifies me. And then

1390
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 3: I just want to give people the vote of confidence

1391
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 3: that Jonathan Taylor, I think is going to be a

1392
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: player that holds steady, that you don't have to worry

1393
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 3: a year from now. Is he just gonna fall off

1394
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 3: the map and it's not gonna be great. That's gonna

1395
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 3: do it for us. Next week we're gonna be talking

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: about the next tier of dynasty running backs, some dirty

1397
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: your names, So we'll talk to you again next.

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01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 4: Week, nasty boys. Goodbye.

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