WEBVTT - The Melt’s Employees Help Serve Up 400% AUV Jump

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Chopping It Up. I'm your host Michael Hanlon,

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<v Speaker 1>the senior restaurant and food service analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're joined by Ralph Bauer, CEO of The Melt.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for doing this, Ralph.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate getting a chance to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been looking forward to this one for our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>The two of us first cross pass about a decade

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<v Speaker 1>ago when Ralph was the CEO and president at Popeyes.

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<v Speaker 1>That was some run that you, Cheryl and the team had.

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<v Speaker 1>What really sticks out to you about that experience and

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<v Speaker 1>what were maybe some of the most important takeaways about

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<v Speaker 1>building a successful brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I grew up in New Orleans. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure if you knew that, but so for for a

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<v Speaker 3>guy who grew up in New Orleans, Popeyes is like

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<v Speaker 3>the pinnacle of fast food and so, uh, that was

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<v Speaker 3>really a truly exciting time. And to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>turn around an iconic brand like Popeyes was was really

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<v Speaker 3>pretty exciting. But the other thing that made that time

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<v Speaker 3>really meaningful to me is that we rebuilt that business

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<v Speaker 3>on the premise of focusing on franchisees first, and the

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<v Speaker 3>first half of my career in the restaurant industry was

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<v Speaker 3>spent working with franchisees and so working with a brand

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<v Speaker 3>that truly believed that, you know, our customer was the

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<v Speaker 3>franchise e, and that if you served the franchise ese,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be what builds the business. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that we I think that we proved that. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we went into a brand that didn't have a great

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<v Speaker 3>history of franchise or franchise relationship, and by building that relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>we were really able to build a business. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a it's just a totally different business today than

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<v Speaker 3>it was back in and you know, two thousand and

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<v Speaker 3>eight when when we started there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that, uh, that was awesome. Man. I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a client yesterday asking me about restaurant brands. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're following the story, but Patrick Doyle

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<v Speaker 1>is now the chairman of the board and he took

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<v Speaker 1>a stake in the company. And I actually told this

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<v Speaker 1>investor he should read Cheryl's book there to serve if

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<v Speaker 1>he wants a good you know, inside scoop of how

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's looking at things, because all they've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>since since he joined on was on all the investor

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<v Speaker 1>calls and on all the earnings calls, is UH store

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<v Speaker 1>level profitability and serving the franchisees. And you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, I think I think you and the team

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<v Speaker 1>really prove that out at Popeye's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're going to be a great franchise brand,

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<v Speaker 3>the way you do that is by serving the franchisees.

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<v Speaker 3>And if your franchisees are happy and making great money,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to build more restaurants. And that's what builds

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<v Speaker 3>your brand. When we started there, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>look back to two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 3>we were building about you know, twenty or thirty new restaurants.

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<v Speaker 2>A year, and and.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of those weren't very successful. And today, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're Before I left in uh, you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>and fourteen range, we were up to about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred plus and.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're even higher than that.

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<v Speaker 3>And and because of the franch if the franchise believe

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<v Speaker 3>in you and believe in the leadership and they trust you,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to build more restaurants.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how you build that's how you build.

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<v Speaker 4>A great brand.

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<v Speaker 3>And when franchises make more money, they build more restaurants

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<v Speaker 3>and and that that's what makes everybody successful for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So where have you worked since Popeyes? And

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<v Speaker 1>what attracted you to the Melt?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So after I left Popeyes, I went to UH

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<v Speaker 3>Payway And I'm not sure if you're familiar with pay Away,

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<v Speaker 3>but Payway is a fast casual brand about two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>units that was started by Rick Federico at PF.

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<v Speaker 2>Chang's and I went in there.

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<v Speaker 3>With the attention of splitting that off into a into

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<v Speaker 3>a standalone brand. Worked with that brand for for a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years, built there was there was actually no

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<v Speaker 3>dedicated UH employees to the brand when when I got there,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we built a whole standalone unit and UH.

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<v Speaker 2>And then.

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<v Speaker 3>I had family in the in the in the Bay Area.

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<v Speaker 3>My son was year and I got a I got

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<v Speaker 3>a call one day from a bunch of folks at

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<v Speaker 3>the Melt and I was, you know, the Melt was

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty pretty small brand.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I had had a I had a conversation with my

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<v Speaker 3>wife prior and I said, you know, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>about grilled cheese brands. I'm not sure if grilled cheese

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<v Speaker 3>is enough to sustain a restaurant brand. And then sure enough,

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<v Speaker 3>I get a call a couple of weeks later from

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<v Speaker 3>the investors at the Melt.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the time, they had they had.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighteen restaurants spread across three states, Texas, Colorado, and California,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were struggling, and they they asked me to

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<v Speaker 3>come in and take a look and see what I thought.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was really impressed with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Board and the group of investors was a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>really smart people. Ron Johnson who kind of created the Apple.

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<v Speaker 2>Store and was you know at J. C. Penny and Target, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Marx who was who's a venture a tech venture capital.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy, and I, you know, I talked.

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<v Speaker 3>To these guys and they were just, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty exciting group. And I decided decided to come out

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<v Speaker 3>to California and sell Girl cheese sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so, how many restaurants at the Melt as a

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<v Speaker 1>company owns as a franchise?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So, and can you talk about the service model a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So we're we're a fast casual brand. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>been an adventure really. So when I got here, we

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<v Speaker 3>had eighteen restaurants, as I mentioned in three States. But

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<v Speaker 3>one of the first things I did was closed everything

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<v Speaker 3>outside of California. And when we started, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>we got a little ahead of ourselves. We were founded

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eleven and with a lot of fanfare.

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 3>From day one, when we opened our first restaurant, we

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<v Speaker 3>said we were going to have five hundred restaurants in

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<v Speaker 3>five years, and before we really had a brand yet,

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<v Speaker 3>we were already planning the five hundred restaurants, and we

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<v Speaker 3>kind of put the cart before the horse. So when

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<v Speaker 3>I came in in twenty sixteen, what my idea was ist,

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<v Speaker 3>let's focus on California. Let's get California right, Let's build

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<v Speaker 3>a great brand, and then we'll start expanding again. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's what we're doing today. So we got down to

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<v Speaker 3>as low as seven restaurants. Today we have twelve, with

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<v Speaker 3>four more under construction and five more in the pipeline

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<v Speaker 3>for next year. And during the pandemic, we bought a

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<v Speaker 3>second brand, home Room, which is a macaroni and cheese

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<v Speaker 3>brand out of Oakland, and they had two restaurants a

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<v Speaker 3>block apart. One is a.

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<v Speaker 4>Full service.

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<v Speaker 3>Small, full service sit down restaurant and the other one

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<v Speaker 3>is a block away. It does sit down or rather

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<v Speaker 3>does carry out and delivery only. And carry out and

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<v Speaker 3>delivery only we did over four million dollars last year

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<v Speaker 3>and in macaroni and cheese, So it's a good good

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<v Speaker 3>business travels well, it travels well, and we have the

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<v Speaker 3>best mac and cheese you'll ever have in your life.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a it's a good it's a good brand.

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<v Speaker 3>We just built our third we opened up our third

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<v Speaker 3>home room in Berkeley a couple of months ago, and

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<v Speaker 3>so we're just starting to take a look at that

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<v Speaker 3>brand and its possibilities for expansion.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. And so all the new stores this year and

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<v Speaker 1>next are going to be in California as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Next year we will open our first restaurants outside of California,

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<v Speaker 3>which will be in uh which will be in Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll get we'll get one or two open in

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<v Speaker 3>Phoenix next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. And are are most of the new restaurants going

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<v Speaker 1>to be staffed by existing general managers or you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to go outside of the system maybe to

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<v Speaker 1>to hire some.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a great question. I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever a brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes outside of its its you know, traditional area, you

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<v Speaker 3>got to be very very careful, and I think the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing you can do is to convince folks who

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<v Speaker 3>are in your core group of restaurants to relocate. And

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<v Speaker 3>uh so that's that's our plan and is to get

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<v Speaker 3>folks to relocate. But I think we're also going to

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<v Speaker 3>be hiring people in the you know, in the Phoenix area.

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<v Speaker 3>We actually have one person in our system now who's

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<v Speaker 3>from the Phoenix Scottsdale area that we relocated to San

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<v Speaker 3>Diego and he's he's there now training and our intent

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<v Speaker 3>is once we open Phoenix that he'll, uh he'll move

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<v Speaker 3>back there. But I think, I think that's super important,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that, uh a lot of brands make

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<v Speaker 3>that mistake, is that when you start to expand outside

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<v Speaker 3>of your your core area, if you try to do

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<v Speaker 3>it with no new folks, a lot of times that

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<v Speaker 3>culture doesn't move with you. And a big part of

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<v Speaker 3>growing any any brand is being able to move that culture.

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<v Speaker 3>One example I like to give is, I remember when

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<v Speaker 3>Chick fil A was was just this little chicken brand

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<v Speaker 3>in the in the southeast, and being the very knowledgeable

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<v Speaker 3>person that I am, I told anybody who would listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure Chick fil A is ever going to

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<v Speaker 3>be more than a regional player, because it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be so hard for them to uh

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<v Speaker 3>they're so culture heavy, it's going to be so hard

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<v Speaker 3>for them to uh create that culture all across the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And kudos to them. Cheryl is on their board now

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<v Speaker 3>as a matter of fact. But kudos to them because

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<v Speaker 3>they showed, they showed it could be done.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that they have that same.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my pleasure culture in California, as they have in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what's allowed them to be successful every place

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<v Speaker 3>they've gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in New Jersey as well. I Uh, once my

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<v Speaker 1>son gets a little older, I'd love I'd love for

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<v Speaker 1>him to work for Chick fil A.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a it's a great brand with a great culture.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, you can't you can't go wrong there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So the melt is had an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>run since twenty twenty. You know, one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic success stories that I've heard of, maybe you know

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<v Speaker 1>the best out there. Can you talk about your experience

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<v Speaker 1>during the pandemic, you know, I'm sure it wasn't easy

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<v Speaker 1>at first, and maybe talk about the changes that enabled

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<v Speaker 1>the chain to survive and then kind of grow AUVs

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<v Speaker 1>the way it has.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>So I remember March fifteenth or so of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>we celebrated one hundred consecutive weeks of positive comp sales

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<v Speaker 3>and things were looking really good for our brand. On

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<v Speaker 3>March eighteenth, three days later, they announced a shelter in

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<v Speaker 3>place in San Francisco and then later in California. So

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<v Speaker 3>we went from one hundred consecutive weeks of positive comps

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<v Speaker 3>to negative eighty percent pretty much overnight, which goes to

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<v Speaker 3>prove one of my favorite sayings that when when things

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<v Speaker 3>are good, they're never.

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<v Speaker 2>As good as they seem.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh. But again, being very knowledgeable in these kind

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<v Speaker 3>of things, I said to myself, this can't last longer

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<v Speaker 3>than two or three weeks, and so I made some

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<v Speaker 3>really good decisions based on really bad knowledge. So because

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it would only last two or three weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to make sure that we didn't lose any

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<v Speaker 3>employees while we were shut for this short period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I uh, I remember I went to work

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<v Speaker 3>and a team member who'd been with us for a

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<v Speaker 3>number of years, who I was very close to was

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<v Speaker 3>really on the verge of tears and was worried about

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<v Speaker 3>losing her job and how she was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to feed her family. And I said, I said

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<v Speaker 3>to her, look, you don't have to worry. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>your your paycheck is safe while as long as this

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<v Speaker 3>thing lasts.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, then you know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was very fortunate that I had some investors who backed

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<v Speaker 3>me on this.

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<v Speaker 4>But I told all of my.

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<v Speaker 3>Folks, look, we're gonna pay you whether you come to

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<v Speaker 3>work or not. If you're not comfortable coming to work,

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<v Speaker 3>don't come to work. But uh, you know we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna pay you if you come in or don't

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<v Speaker 3>come in. Now, I will say that most of the

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<v Speaker 3>folks didn't believe me at first, and so they came

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<v Speaker 3>to work anyway. But but we didn't We didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>lose anybody. But the problem was, as I mentioned, our

0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.360
<v Speaker 3>sales were there was basically nobody, especially in downtown San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 3>And our office is above one of the restaurants on

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<v Speaker 3>Market Street in the heart of the financial district in

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco. And and uh, about three or four days

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<v Speaker 3>in to the shelter in place, I remember I looked

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<v Speaker 3>over the balcony and there was almost nobody in the restaurant,

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<v Speaker 3>and the only people in there were first responders, and

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<v Speaker 3>there was some police officers who were at the counter ordering,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just yelled over the railing I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>don't charge them for their food, you just give it

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<v Speaker 3>to them for free. Then I started thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 3>and one of the things that I knew is I

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<v Speaker 3>had people in every restaurant and they didn't really have

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<v Speaker 3>anything to do, and they they didn't really feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they were needed. And I thought, well, why

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<v Speaker 3>don't we give all first responders their meals for free?

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<v Speaker 3>And so within about twenty four hours, I told everybody, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have any first responders come in, just give.

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<v Speaker 2>Them their meals for free.

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<v Speaker 3>And the next thing, you know, that went viral. So

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<v Speaker 3>within about a week, I have a couple of restaurants,

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<v Speaker 3>one at Stanford in Palo Alto and one in La Jolla,

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<v Speaker 3>where we had hospitals within walking distance of our restaurants,

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<v Speaker 3>and so within about a week we started having people

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<v Speaker 3>lining up in the morning and we would have lines

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<v Speaker 3>out the door all day, open to close. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>at Stanford we were doing about thirteen thousand or so

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<v Speaker 3>a day, and twelve thousand of it it was free.

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<v Speaker 3>And still I kept on thinking, well, this is only

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<v Speaker 3>going to last a couple of weeks, and we're getting

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<v Speaker 3>all this exposure.

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<v Speaker 4>But as things started to.

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<v Speaker 3>Move on, first of all, I couldn't handle all that business,

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<v Speaker 3>especially at Stanford. It was I worked ended up working

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<v Speaker 3>a Thursday and Friday myself open to close on the

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<v Speaker 3>grill at Stanford because I had heard the crew was

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<v Speaker 3>ready to mute. And at the end of the Friday,

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<v Speaker 3>we actually ran out of food at about ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 3>on Friday, and people were just worn out, and I said, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't know if I can do this anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was really.

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<v Speaker 3>I was really worried because I knew I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to have to cut it off because it was so

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<v Speaker 3>hard on the team. But I couldn't figure out, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>where I was going to go from there and how

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<v Speaker 3>I would explain it to folks, And so I had

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<v Speaker 3>to make a decision. Do I go to a fifty

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<v Speaker 3>percent discount?

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<v Speaker 2>What do I do?

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<v Speaker 3>And so finally I just decided, you know, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>going to go cold Turkey and end it all together.

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<v Speaker 3>And to my surprise, no backlash whatsoever, and all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden we started to get a steady stream of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And another interesting story was La Joya. So Stanford had

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<v Speaker 3>always been our high volume restaurant, and at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they were, you know, you know, maybe a

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<v Speaker 3>two million dollar restaurant. I was just looking before the call.

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<v Speaker 3>This same week in twenty eighteen, the week that we

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<v Speaker 3>just finished, Stanford did was our highest volume restaurant, and

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<v Speaker 3>they did a little bit under forty thousand, thirty eight thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Last week they did ninety five. And La Joya was

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<v Speaker 3>the other restaurant. La Joya I had had opened for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years and it wasn't a great performer,

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<v Speaker 3>but they also had hospitals close by, and we were

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<v Speaker 3>having people lining up, and you know, our our awareness

0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.800
<v Speaker 3>in southern California wasn't as good as it was in

0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.119
<v Speaker 3>Northern California where we were founded. So La Joya is

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<v Speaker 3>a fascinating story. For two years, we had done about

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand a week, plus or minus one thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>every single week for two years, you know, nineteen to

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one. It was pretty mediocre, and then overnight we

0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:13.280
<v Speaker 3>went down to four or five thousand. But by April,

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 3>so you know, Shelter Place was in March. By April

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<v Speaker 3>things were starting to come back, and we went from

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<v Speaker 3>four or five thousand to ten or fifteen thousand, and

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<v Speaker 3>by the end of April we were back to the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand that we were doing pre COVID. In May

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<v Speaker 3>we started doing record weeks and in June we did

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<v Speaker 3>forty thousand, and in July we did fifty thousand and

0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.960
<v Speaker 3>fifty thousand. We average fifty thousand a week, and I

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<v Speaker 3>remember my manager saying, well, we want to beat Stanford.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to do we want to do sixty thousand,

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<v Speaker 3>and in August we did sixty thousand a week. In

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<v Speaker 3>September we did seventy thousand a week. And last year

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<v Speaker 3>that restaurant did four point three million, and so there

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.040
<v Speaker 3>was a couple of things at play. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>first thing is is that we did get some We

0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.160
<v Speaker 3>did build awareness with this free meals for first responders.

0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.959
<v Speaker 3>We won a Jefferson Award for public service in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it kind of went viral that we were

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<v Speaker 3>doing this, So that was a piece of it. But

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<v Speaker 3>a bigger piece of it is when people came, we

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<v Speaker 3>had really really good food and really really good service.

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<v Speaker 3>And because we didn't lose any team members because we

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 3>paid them whether they came to work or not. We

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<v Speaker 3>actually had two months after the Shelter and Place started,

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<v Speaker 3>So in June of twenty we had more employees than

0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 3>we had in March of twenty And so when folks came,

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<v Speaker 3>we have never we have never really struggled to handle

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<v Speaker 3>the business that came in. So when the business came,

0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.560
<v Speaker 3>we were ready. The other thing is is that, you know,

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.440
<v Speaker 3>we were founded by tech entrepreneurs. Our founder, John Kaplan,

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<v Speaker 3>who interestingly enough is the Ambassador to Singapore today, was

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<v Speaker 3>the founder of the flip video phone that he sold

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<v Speaker 3>to Cisco and so, and all of our investors were

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.439
<v Speaker 3>tech folks. And so we had a very good technology

0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 3>platform that we were able to build on. And when

0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:41.440
<v Speaker 3>third party delivery became so prevalent during during COVID, no

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<v Speaker 3>we went from you know, pre COVID we were eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>to twenty percent delivery and during COVID we got up

0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:54.119
<v Speaker 3>as high as eighty percent eighty percent delivery. But it

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.879
<v Speaker 3>didn't it wasn't it wasn't difficult to ramp up because

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<v Speaker 3>we had the systems and I used to handle it.

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<v Speaker 3>So so two things that were very important. We had

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<v Speaker 3>the tech platforms in place to handle the business when

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<v Speaker 3>it came, and we also had you know, the food

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<v Speaker 3>and the service models where we deliver what we call

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<v Speaker 3>and I love it here experience. And so when people

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<v Speaker 3>came and had that I love it here experience, they

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<v Speaker 3>told their friends and things, and things just snowballed. So

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<v Speaker 3>actually twenty twenty, even with you know, horrible marches and

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<v Speaker 3>March and April that were down. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>March was down fifty percent and April was down sixty

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<v Speaker 3>or seventy percent, twenty twenty ended up being a record

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<v Speaker 3>year because of the amount of sales we did in

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<v Speaker 3>the back half of the year. But the interesting thing

0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:54.360
<v Speaker 3>is that our average unit volumes actually doubled during COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mentioned that Stanford was our highest volume restaurant.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, pre.

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<v Speaker 3>COVID, they were doing you know, thirty or forty a.

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<v Speaker 2>Week, and you know, now they.

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<v Speaker 3>Last year they did four point five and this year

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<v Speaker 3>they're on pace to do over five million. Every restaurant

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 3>we have has doubled their volume since the beginning of COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it's one thing you have to have.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the not very complicated beliefs that I have

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:28.879
<v Speaker 3>is if you're going to be a great restaurant company,

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 3>you need to run great restaurants. And you know that

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<v Speaker 3>is the operator in me. But if people come to

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<v Speaker 3>your restaurant and you don't run a great restaurant, it

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.320
<v Speaker 3>doesn't do you any good. Some of my team gets

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 3>frustrated with me sometimes because I don't get excited about

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 3>great sales. What I get excited about is great guest feedback.

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Because great sales are about what you did yesterday. Great

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<v Speaker 3>guest feedback is the best indicator you have of what

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to do tomorrow. And so I'm fanatical about

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 3>guest feedback and tracking guest feedback and following guest feedback.

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 3>And you know, if we have a great sales day

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 3>and I don't feel like we delivered that, I love

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<v Speaker 3>it here experience.

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:17.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm not happy.

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 3>I really don't care if it was a record day,

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 3>if we didn't deliver, I love it here, and but

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 3>our number one goal is to deliver, and I love

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 3>it here experienced every guest. And that's all about great

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 3>restaurant operations. And I think, I really think in the

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 3>restaurant people, in the restaurant business, people underestimate how important

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:38.479
<v Speaker 3>that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that love it.

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I love it here.

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<v Speaker 3>Right after I came on board in twenty sixteen, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the volumes of our average our volumes have grown from

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 3>seven hundred thousand dollars annual, you know, average unit volumes

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 3>to over three million dollar genid volume since twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know another restaurant story. I'm not sure

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 3>that's ever happened before in the restaurant business.

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't know of a story.

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I haven't I haven't heard of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, we really did a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 3>The first one is I was I was sitting in

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<v Speaker 3>my office and about the end of my first year,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got a review in from our Stanford restaurant

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 3>where the guests started off and they said, I love

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.880
<v Speaker 3>it here, and they went on to explain why they

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:43.360
<v Speaker 3>loved it at the Stanford restaurant. And I asked myself, God,

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.200
<v Speaker 3>what would happen if every guest when they walked out

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 3>the door could say I love it here. And so

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 3>then I asked my restaurant support center team the same question.

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 3>I said, read this review, what would happen if every

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 3>guest said I love it here when they walked out

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.199
<v Speaker 3>the door. And I have a weekly call with my GMS,

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 3>and I asked them the same thing as I said, Hey,

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 3>look at this. What do you think would happen if

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 3>every guest said I love it here when they walked

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 3>out the door. And within a week, we had torn

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 3>up every mission and vision statement we had in the company,

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 3>and we had changed our mission to delivering and I

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.679
<v Speaker 3>love it here experienced every guest. And the thing I

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 3>love about that is that our team members understand what

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 3>it means to have an experience so good that you

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 3>can say I love it here. And twice a day

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 3>we do rallies, you know, before our lunch shift and

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:46.400
<v Speaker 3>our dinner shift, twice a day in every single restaurant,

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 3>and the only purpose of the rally is everybody says,

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 3>what's our number one goal?

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 4>To deliver?

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 3>And I love it here experience and them and they

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 3>say what does that mean? And that's how we start

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:00.200
<v Speaker 3>the shift. And I don't actually tell people how to liver.

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 4>And I love it to hear experience.

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.679
<v Speaker 3>I say Michael, what does it mean to you to

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 3>have an I love it here experience? Deliver that to

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 3>the guest.

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's been that's.

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 3>Been tremendously successful, which is kind of nuts and bolts

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 3>of running great restaurants. But the other thing is one

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 3>of the things I learned at Popeyes was that you

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 3>don't always have all the answers. And in the case

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 3>of Popeyes, where we are a franchise organization, there isn't

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 3>a problem that we have the franchisees don't already know

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 3>the answer to. And in our case at MELT, there

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 3>wasn't a problem that we had that our team members

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:51.199
<v Speaker 3>and our guests didn't know the answer to. And so

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:55.119
<v Speaker 3>when I came to MELT, I sent out a letter

0:27:55.520 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 3>to everyone in our database that asked two questions. I said,

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm the new guy. I have two questions for you.

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 3>What do you hope I change? And what do you

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 3>hope I don't change? And I got eleven hundred responses back.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>And then I met with all of my.

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Internal team and my GMS, and I asked them the

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<v Speaker 3>same two questions. We put all those answers into a

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<v Speaker 3>spreadsheet grouped.

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 4>Together by category.

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Then I did what they said to do, and our

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>sales have quadrupled. So it hasn't been it hasn't been

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 3>all that complicated. Do what your guests and your team

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 3>tells you is smart and you can have great results.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome, man, and the mission statement, the simplicity of

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>it is great. I'd imagine the employees really appreciate the

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>freedom that you're giving them to provide a great experience. No,

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>all really smart stuff. I'd imagine your turnover levels are

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty low compared to the industry, right.

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<v Speaker 4>They're pretty low.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you look at management in the past four years,

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 3>I've lost one GM and they went on to be

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 3>a multi unit manager at another brand, and my team

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 3>member turnover is under one hundred percent. So I think

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 3>I think that's I think that's important. You know, we

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 3>we try to listen to, we try to have, we

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 3>try to be and I love it here place to work.

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 3>So part of delivering and I love it here experience

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 3>is being and I love it here place to work.

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 3>I like to say that the guest experience is never

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 3>going to exceed the team members experience. So if you

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 3>want to deliver I love it here, you better have

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.239
<v Speaker 3>an I love it here place to work, and so

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 3>we do our best.

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 4>We do our best to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool. Is there any other unit economic data that you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to share?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, as you can expect, when average unit volumes

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 3>go from you know, seven or eight hundred thousand to

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 3>three million, that unit economics.

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<v Speaker 2>Improve improve greatly.

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 3>One of the things I was worried about when I

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 3>came here is that our you know, our rents were

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 3>so our rents were so high being California. But once

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 3>you quadruple your average UNDT volumes, all of a sudden,

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 3>your rents tend to get in line on a percentage basis.

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 3>So now now our rents are you know, our rents

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:39.959
<v Speaker 3>are doing doing a lot better. So yeah, you know,

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 3>we're in the We're in the high teens.

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that.

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 3>With the supply chain issues the past couple of years,

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 3>our food costs have gone up a bit. I've been

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 3>fairly reluctant to take too many price increases.

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I tend to be pretty.

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Conservative when it comes to pricing. I have taken some

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 3>probably not a probably I could take more, but that's

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 3>a lever you can't push back. So I've been I've

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 3>been pretty slow in that Yeah, are are We're in

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 3>the high teens, which in California with the uh, you know,

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 3>with the high costs, I'm I'm pretty pleased with cool.

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Are there any opportunities there for you to expand that margin?

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that there is. I Like I said,

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that we do have some some pricing flexibility

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.239
<v Speaker 3>that that, you know, I think you could be aware of.

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean, one of the things, one of the things.

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 3>That I think brands have to be careful with is

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 3>their unit economics of delivery. Delivery is an interesting story

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 3>for us. So this is another case where my team

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of proved that I don't know anything and they

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 3>know everything. Is that my IT folks came to me

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 3>in twenty seventeen and said, hey, you know, I think

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 3>we should try a third party delivery And I said,

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 3>no way. I have no interest in delivering.

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Bad food and.

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Charging and not making any money for it.

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 4>Right is that? Why do I want?

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Why do I want people to have bad food and

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 3>us not make any money.

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 4>It makes no sense to me.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 3>And my IT folks said, you know, I really think

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 3>that we had to put our toe in the water.

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 2>On this, and.

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 4>And so we did it in a couple.

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 3>I said, all right, fine, you know, we'll do one

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 3>delivery platform. I think we started off with with Uber

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Eats and and in two restaurants, and pretty quickly we

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 3>got we were in high single digits and mix and

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 3>I said, well, you know, high single digits and mixes.

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty good. Let's do it some more places. And

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 3>then pretty quickly that went to well, I guess we

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 3>ought to think about having more than one delivery service,

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, let's bring another one on. And by the

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 3>time COVID hit, we had gradually grown from you know,

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 3>zero percent delivery to you know, the first year we

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 3>did delivery, we were probably eight or nine percent. Going

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 3>into COVID, we were eighteen to twenty percent, and then,

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 3>as I mentioned during COVID, we get up as high

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 3>as eighty. But if I had had my way, we

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 3>would have never done delivery and we wouldn't be the

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 3>company that we are today.

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>But luckily I have.

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Smarter people working for me than I am, and they

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 3>told me that they thought this delivery.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Would be a thing, and they were right.

0:33:57.880 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 3>But one of the things I said from the very

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 3>begetting is that if we're going to do delivery, we

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 3>got to make money. I'm not going to have my

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 3>people working their butts off, and so I charged a

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.839
<v Speaker 3>premium for delivery in order to make up for that

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 3>margin loss that you have to pay to the third

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 3>party providers. And I have found I get zer literally,

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 3>I get virtually zero complaints from guests on pricing on delivery.

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 3>I can remember going to some conventions and things and

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 3>the biggest, the biggest groups of folks were meeting talking

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 3>about how do you make money at delivery? And I

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.720
<v Speaker 3>was always standing in the back of the room, going, well,

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 3>you gotta charge more, you know, if you want to

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 3>make money. And that's worked for us. We we charge

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 3>about a twenty percent our menu prices for delivery about

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 3>twenty percent higher. There's way more price flexibility on delivery

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 3>than there is dine in, and people are looking for

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 3>the convenience. They're willing to pay for that convenience, and

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 3>that's worked for us. So I would not do delivery

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.399
<v Speaker 3>if I couldn't charge a premium for it. There's one

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 3>there's one third party service and I won't I won't

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 3>say who it is, But for for a couple of years,

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 3>they said we couldn't have different pricing on their platform

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 3>than we had on our menus, and so I didn't

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 3>use that. I didn't use that platform. And because it

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 3>just doesn't make sense to do delivery unless.

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>You're making money at it.

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 3>And folks will make theoretical arguments about incremental profit and

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 3>those incremental sales and how that's labored. In my experience,

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:50.879
<v Speaker 3>that's all blowning. You you got to make as much

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.799
<v Speaker 3>money on that third party delivery as you make on

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 3>your instore transactions, or it just doesn't make sense to me.

0:35:57.840 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's only good way it's going to work for

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>both parts. Yeah, I completely agree. You know, obviously if

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>top line has grown a ton over the last few years,

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 1>but do you still see some some opportunities for growth there.

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 3>So we've done very little menu expansion. One of the

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 3>things that I really want to do is develop a

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 3>great fried chicken sandwich. As you know, I have a

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 3>pretty big fried chicken background and have a lot of

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 3>passion for fried chicken and uh, and so we're working

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 3>on a fried chicken sandwich, and I think that's the

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 3>next logical extension. I've been very reluctant to our to

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 3>expand our menu because I think that being great at

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 3>a few things is better than being mediocre at many,

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 3>and so I've, you know, I've tried to really focus on,

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, having I love it here food. You know,

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 3>I love it here burgers, and I love it here

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 3>grilled cheese sandwiches. And one of the things I didn't

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 3>mention is that the other thing that has happened since

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.919
<v Speaker 3>twenty sixteen is that burgers have become the biggest part

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 3>of our menu. And today we're about a sixty forty

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 3>sixty forty mix of burgers, and we have a really

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 3>super unique burger that's different from a burger that you

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.760
<v Speaker 3>get anywhere else. First, we use a blend of Angus

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 3>and Wygo, and everybody who sells burgers is in love

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 3>with their blend, but we're the only ones I know

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 3>that uses Wygu in their blend, and so it makes

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 3>that burger really juicy. But the other, the other cool

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 3>thing that we do, there's a couple of things. One

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 3>is we chop our burgers.

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 2>So after we.

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 4>Smash the burger.

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 3>We chop it, and we do that so that cheese

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 3>can get into every nook and cranny of the burger

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 3>and make it kind of a unique burger.

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 4>And with a brand like the.

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Melt, you want cheese to be a big part of

0:37:55.080 --> 0:38:00.240
<v Speaker 3>the product. So I was actually touring restaurants in New York,

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 3>and the bodegas in New York have a product called

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 3>a chopped cheese, and a chopped cheese is kind of

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 3>like a Philly cheese steak, but they make it with

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 3>ground beef instead of cheese steak. And I thought, maybe

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 3>this is what the Melt Melt burger should be. Maybe

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 3>it should be a chopped cheese. This feels like something

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 3>that we would serve at the Melt. And you know,

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 3>I worked on it, and at the last minute I

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of chickened out, and I said, you know what,

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.399
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of hard to eat a chopped cheese every

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.879
<v Speaker 3>day of the week, but people eat burgers multiple times

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 3>a week. Let me make it sort of like a

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 3>chopped cheese, but more like a burger. And so instead

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 3>of two standard deviations away from a burger, I went

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 3>one standard.

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 4>Deviation away from a burger.

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 3>And so what we do is we take that burger,

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:51.919
<v Speaker 3>we chop it, and then we have a pickle jalapeno mix.

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like chopped pickles and jalapenos.

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 4>And we put that on.

0:38:56.000 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Then we use two slices of cheddar on top, and

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 3>when you melt that cheddar, it gets into the nooks

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.399
<v Speaker 3>and crannies of the burger. That picklehallapino mix gets into

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 3>the nooks and crannies of the burger.

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:10.760
<v Speaker 4>We have a super unique burger.

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 3>I think that the key to any successful restaurant is

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 3>your food has to be differentiated. And there's nobody who

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 3>has a burger that's anything like our meltburger. And so

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.760
<v Speaker 3>today we sell more meltburgers than we sell grilled cheeses.

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Our grilled cheeses are fantastic and the best grilled cheeses

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 3>you can get anywhere. But I'm pretty proud of our meltburger.

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 3>It's something that we developed from scratch and is a

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 3>is a pretty cool product.

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 2>And today on all.

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Of our new restaurants, you know, seinage says the melt

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 3>and then underneath our tagline is World's Meltiest Burger, and

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.399
<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a dang good burger. I have one

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 3>for lunch just about every day.

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It sounds fantastic. You're making me hungry. So when I

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>was in college in DC, there was a deli right

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>near school called Wise Miller's and they did kind of

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>a chopped burger thing called the Burger Madness. It was

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>absolutely fantastic. So I'm going to have to get out

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>to California and try a melt burger. Speaking of California,

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>outside of you know, the high real estate costs, what

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 1>are some of the other largest obstacles that you have

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>to do in business there.

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Look, it's no secret to anybody that California is

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 3>a challenging place to run a restaurant company. And you

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:41.879
<v Speaker 3>have the legislative challenges, you have the team members challenges,

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 3>you have our minimum wage challenges, you know, are my

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 3>minimum wage at my minimum hourly wage at West Hollywood,

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 3>which is one of my newest restaurants, is now nineteen

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:05.760
<v Speaker 3>oh six and so and every place that I operate

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 3>today as a minimum wage is fifteen dollars or fifteen

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 3>seventy five, I think are higher. So that's a challenge.

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 3>But the other thing that California brings is, you know,

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 3>it is a it is a huge economy, and there

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 3>is the opportunity to still make money, and every everybody

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 3>you compete against has the same challenges as you do.

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:38.879
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't find myself worrying too much about

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.799
<v Speaker 3>minimum wage, for example, because if everybody has to pay

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 3>that same minimum wage, you're kind of on an on

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 3>an even field.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that it does.

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<v Speaker 3>It does mean that the prices you have to charge

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<v Speaker 3>in California have to be a little bit higher. That's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things that we'll have to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>as we go to Arizona is does our pricing models

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<v Speaker 3>stay the same or or are is that pricing in

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Arizona going to be different than it is in California.

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<v Speaker 3>But there are challenges, but you just you just have

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<v Speaker 3>to understand the understand the rules of the game, and

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 3>and everybody's playing by the same set of rules. So

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:26.359
<v Speaker 3>that's you just got to make sure that again, if

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<v Speaker 3>you can deliver I love it here food and I

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<v Speaker 3>Love it here service, you're going to do well. It

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter what state.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. So you know, speaking to California, it's some

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<v Speaker 1>of the companies that I cover that have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of exposure to California. Jack in the Box and Chipotle

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:46.839
<v Speaker 1>are two of them. They're they're testing automation technology, uh

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in their kitchens, right, so they're they're further along that

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>technology curve than a lot of chains that are maybe

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<v Speaker 1>based in the South, where labor and real estate come

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<v Speaker 1>a little cheaper. So are there any tech upgrades or

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<v Speaker 1>automation or anything that you're implementing or testing or thinking

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>about installing in your restaurants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've always had really good technology. We've had Kios

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 3>in our restaurant since we were founded in twenty eleven. Today,

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 3>about twenty five percent of our orders are taken at

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<v Speaker 3>the kiosk, and I I'm not I have to I

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<v Speaker 3>have to tell you, I'm not sure that that necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>leads to a labor savings though. The way I look

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 3>at kios is everybody comes to your restaurant with a

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 3>different expectation level of service. Some people like kios, some people.

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Want more one on one.

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 3>In person service. Some people would rather use an app.

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<v Speaker 4>And so.

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<v Speaker 3>What I do is I have a really good app.

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:58.320
<v Speaker 3>And again we've had an app since twenty eleven.

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Also, we when I when I first when I.

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 3>First got to Melt, we had you know, eighteen restaurants

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 3>and sixteen I people and we were doing you know,

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:13.240
<v Speaker 3>so we had our own.

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 4>App and our own kios and and uh.

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 3>But so we have a great great apps, great kios

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 3>great online and so I think that that does take

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<v Speaker 3>some of the pressure off front, off the front. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always looking at how technology. I look at how

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<v Speaker 3>technology can make the experience better, both for team members

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 3>and for guests. I haven't really looked at technology so

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 3>much as decreasing the costs and uh, you know, we're

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 3>a small brand and other people may be working working

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 3>on that. But I think a big part of I

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 3>love it here as team members who can deliver I

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 3>love it here, and so I think that's always going

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 3>to be a big, a big piece of our model.

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 3>But I do think you need to have the technology

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 3>that the guests want. I see some brands who are

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Kiosk only or some brands that are app only. What

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<v Speaker 3>I believe is you need to have the option of Kiosk,

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.439
<v Speaker 3>app or front Counter and whatever the guest is most

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 3>comfortable with, that's.

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Going to be I love it here.

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 3>There's one one national burger chain that I know I

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.280
<v Speaker 3>won't mention any names, but started in New York where

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, you go into their restaurants today and they

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 3>try to push people to the Kiosk and I just

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 3>don't think that that's the right way to do it.

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I think if you want to use the kiosk, to

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<v Speaker 3>use the kiosk, if you want to if you want.

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 4>To talk to a person, talk to a person.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, all right, So what are your biggest concerns?

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>What worries you most?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think right now we're really ramping up our

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 3>unit growth, so attracting enough folks to especially management level

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:09.920
<v Speaker 3>folks who can deliver.

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:10.760
<v Speaker 4>I love it here.

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 3>That's really important. I think with the supply chain chain

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 3>challenges right now, it's taken a lot longer to build

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 3>new restaurants. Equipment's harder to get and it's more expensive.

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 3>I seem to be two steps behind the rabbit all

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.320
<v Speaker 3>the time on how much costs are you know, costs

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:36.280
<v Speaker 3>are increasing, and how it's how it's delaying the the

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 3>are builds. You know, we used to be able to

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:42.319
<v Speaker 3>say we could build a restaurant in ninety days, and

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 3>you just can't build a restaurant in ninety days anymore.

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:49.399
<v Speaker 3>There's just too many supply chain issues and too many

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 3>labor issues to get that done. So I think that

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 3>those are the you know that those are the big

0:46:55.160 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 3>challenges but you know, we have four restaurants that are

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 3>going to open, four new restaurants that are going to

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:03.879
<v Speaker 3>open before the end of the year. Our next new

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 3>restaurant is going to be in del Mar just north

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 3>of La Joya in San Francisco. And then we have

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 3>three they're going to be opening in in the South

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Bay in San Francisco, one in Mountain View, one in

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Sunny Vale, and one in Santa Clara. And then we

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:27.240
<v Speaker 3>have five restaurants, five plus restaurants in the pipeline, including

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 3>two in Arizona next year. So making sure that you

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.239
<v Speaker 3>don't grow faster than you have. I love it here

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 3>teams in place for is the is the number one is.

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 2>The number one priority for me.

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 3>You can't get too far out ahead of your skis.

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 3>I love it here is a big reason why we're

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 3>where we are today. And if we start opening new

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 3>restaurants that can't deliver I love it here, then uh,

0:47:57.840 --> 0:47:59.839
<v Speaker 3>then we're not gonna We're not going to be able

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:02.320
<v Speaker 3>to sustain the things that we've been able to build

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 3>for the past few years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, man, Listen, this is fun, you know. Congratulations

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>on your success, good luck moving forward. Thanks again for doing.

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.760
<v Speaker 4>This all right. Thank you Michael. It's been a blast.

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:18.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's good. Good to catch up, it's been a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to thank the listeners for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep an eye out for our next episode, airing in

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks. We'll be interviewing Howard Penny, Managing Director

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 1>and senior restaurant analyst at Hedge Eye. Have a good day, everybody,