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Speaker 1: The Michael Verie Show is on the air.

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Speaker 2: It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying

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Speaker 2: to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings

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Speaker 2: and beads. There are just things people keep trying to

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Speaker 2: bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a reminder as to

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Speaker 2: why we should not. We still don't have all the information.

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Speaker 2: We still have not revealed all the misinformation. We still

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Speaker 2: have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly, we

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Speaker 2: still have not punished those who deserve to be punished.

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Speaker 2: Mary Tally Boden has a new book out.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I did not realize.

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Speaker 2: Did you see the name of the book, How Michael

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Speaker 2: Barry Changed My Life?

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Speaker 1: Wow? That is really nice.

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Speaker 2: Mary Tally, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael.

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Speaker 2: She did threaten that I should probably read it before

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Speaker 2: she published it because I wouldn't like some of it,

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Speaker 2: and I said, that's okay, I just won't read it.

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Speaker 2: I'll just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say

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Speaker 2: it didn't get published. First of all, let's go back

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Speaker 2: to the first time.

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Speaker 1: You were on.

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Speaker 2: You told Ramon it was August of twenty one, It

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Speaker 2: was not. It was spring of twenty twenty. COVID was

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Speaker 2: not a big deal yet. And I had you on

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Speaker 2: because I saw a video of you that described self

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Speaker 2: described you as doctor snotsucker, and I said, any attractive woman,

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Speaker 2: doctor who can go by that name, that's that's I

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Speaker 2: like her already. And then I had you on and

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Speaker 2: we'd never met, and I kidded with you relentlessly, and

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Speaker 2: you told me afterwards that everybody said I was mean

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 1: Does any of that jog your memory?

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, don't take this the wrong way, but I well,

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Speaker 4: I I mean, I honestly had no idea who you were.

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Speaker 3: I don't I ever listened to No.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to the

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Speaker 4: fact that I was not political at all. Like I

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Speaker 4: had never turned on an AM radio talk show in

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Speaker 4: my life, and I did not realize what I was

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Speaker 4: getting myself into when I talked to you and then.

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Speaker 4: But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight.

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Speaker 4: It was quite traumatic that interview because it was on

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Speaker 3: I'd never done a live interview.

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Speaker 4: And I was not political, so I didn't know what

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Speaker 4: I was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael.

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Speaker 2: And we had dinner that night and my wife explained

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Speaker 2: to you, Oh no, no, he's that's he's jocular with people.

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Speaker 2: He really likes. That just means he really likes you.

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Speaker 2: And it is oh okay, if that's what that means,

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Speaker 2: all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey. So you

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Speaker 2: went from being a very successful doctor with your own

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Speaker 2: what was it oto laryn geology? Remember remember oto?

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Speaker 1: What is it called.

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Speaker 3: Total laryngology?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.

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Speaker 2: And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be

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Speaker 2: an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because

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Speaker 2: short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what

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Speaker 2: we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately zealously

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Speaker 4: So, I mean I had a very quiet practice Ranis

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Speaker 4: I was still able to keep people out of the

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Speaker 4: Never use the hospital, and I was actually collaborating with

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Speaker 4: me very publicly, very harshly. They suspended my privileges and

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Speaker 2: As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility

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Speaker 2: was attacked, as people who never met you, whenever your

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Speaker 1: What sustained you through that period.

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Speaker 3: Well the truth.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not

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Speaker 2: Yeah you say that, now, that was it was pretty nasty,

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Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about what we have learned

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Speaker 2: The book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and

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Speaker 2: the Lies.

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Speaker 1: the Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: It's Mary Tally, not Mary Janet.

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Speaker 1: It would be cooler if it was okay.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Mary Tally Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation,

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Speaker 2: The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now,

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Speaker 2: with the body of knowledge you have, you've there are

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Speaker 2: probably five people in the country who've treated the most

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Speaker 2: You've been on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere

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Speaker 2: Let's start with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies

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Speaker 2: which you were unable to get, which was an effective treatment.

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Speaker 2: You talked about ivermectin. Going back and knowing what we

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying

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Speaker 3: Breathing treatments that was a big one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the hospitals would not even allow patients to

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Speaker 2: There are so many things I want to uncover here.

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Speaker 2: Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at

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Speaker 2: That's the answer the vitamin The reason for the vitamin

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 4: I'm also you know I knew this before, but you

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you this and I guess this

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Speaker 2: I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the

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Speaker 1: Is? Does it still work?

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Speaker 1: But can you still do it?

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Speaker 4: But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel

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Speaker 4: like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.

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Speaker 2: But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.

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Speaker 1: I'm ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry.

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Speaker 2: of the new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment

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Speaker 2: and the Lies. Let's talk about what happened to you personally?

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Speaker 2: When did you first realize that simply practicing medicine to

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there

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Speaker 3: Over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe.

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Speaker 4: It's safer than antibiotics, it's safer than taylanal, and patients

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Speaker 4: We should not be going We should not have to

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Speaker 1: Mary Taly Boden is our guest.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is Mark Chestnut and Jar Bizar of

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Speaker 2: talk radio.

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Speaker 1: That's just weird.

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Speaker 2: You could have done doctor doctor. You could have done

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Speaker 2: all the doctor stuff. You could have done all sorts

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Speaker 2: of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the

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Speaker 2: first name and and derivations of the first name. That's weird,

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Speaker 2: very weird, Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: done that? You're feeling jealous? Dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment,

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Speaker 2: and the lies. Mary tally Boden, the doctor author, a

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Speaker 2: celebrity guest of huge programs. Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know,

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Speaker 2: tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell

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Speaker 2: you how many people they think we're like big buddies.

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Speaker 2: They send just oh my god, your girl Mary Telly

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Speaker 2: Bowden is on Tuger Carlson and she's doing great. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they thought you were gonna flop or what.

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Speaker 2: Talk about that. How was that experience?

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Speaker 4: Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication

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Speaker 4: it's given to my kids because people are now saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: your mom was on Joe Rogan, So that that has

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Speaker 4: been nice for the kids because they they had to

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Speaker 4: sort of hide who their mother was for a few years.

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Speaker 4: And I'll say, like, Tucker Carlson is very authentic and

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Speaker 4: very candid. He told me things I couldn't believe he

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Speaker 4: was telling.

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Speaker 3: Me off air. And Joe Rogan was also great.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting Joe Rogan, you would have no idea where

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Speaker 4: his studio is. It's in this like non descript sort

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Speaker 4: of warehouse looking thing. And Austen and yeah, I brought

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Speaker 4: I brought one kid to Tucker, and I brought another

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Speaker 4: kid to Rogan, and now I got to get two

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Speaker 4: more kids to two other shows.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the best part of it was.

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Speaker 4: The kids and having them have some pride in their

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Speaker 4: mother because what they're hearing from other people.

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Speaker 2: It also caused your social media presence where you talk

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Speaker 2: a lot about what you're going through, and you talk

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Speaker 2: a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the

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Speaker 2: regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really

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Speaker 2: amplified your message dramatically, I guess.

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Speaker 4: I mean I didn't see my follower count explode or

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Speaker 4: anything like that. I mean, it just, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort

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Speaker 4: of huge explosion.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I guess is there any regret you have

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Speaker 5: through all of this, going back to the day before

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Speaker 5: you got involved.

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Speaker 3: I mean it has taken as tall. I am exhausted,

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Speaker 3: and if.

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Speaker 4: You know, i'd been giving. If I had been given

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Speaker 4: a choice, I don't know that I would have chosen this,

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Speaker 4: But I mean I've learned a lot and I'm a

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Speaker 4: lot stronger. I mean, I used to hate public speaking,

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Speaker 4: and I was I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been

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Speaker 4: forced to use my voice, and yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 4: I can help people by speaking out. And so, you know,

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Speaker 4: it hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change it.

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Speaker 2: At this point, I think we all have purpose in life,

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Speaker 2: and some of us find it and some don't, and

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Speaker 2: sometimes that purpose changes with each season in life. But

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Speaker 2: I think you met your moment, and I think maybe

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Speaker 2: you never expected to be in the situations where you

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Speaker 2: ended up, and yet you rose to the occasion in

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Speaker 2: a way you probably never could have guessed you would

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Speaker 2: summon that level of strength, And that has to be

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Speaker 2: that has to be a pretty cool experience to look

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Speaker 2: back on.

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that

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Speaker 4: made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems

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Speaker 4: sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.

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Speaker 3: It just kind of happened.

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Speaker 4: Uh, And yeah, it's like I said, it's strengthened me

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Speaker 4: in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I would just

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Speaker 4: encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you speak the

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Speaker 4: truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing, it's it's difficult.

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Speaker 4: But after going through a very low point, I feel

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Speaker 4: like I'm going, you know, I'm rising now. I'm still

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Speaker 4: in survival mode, but I do have I have one win.

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Speaker 4: I did, I sue the FDA in one but we

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Speaker 4: have we still have so much more fighting to do.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I want I want my story to be

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Speaker 4: a triumph, not just survival.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that brings us to the next thing in

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Speaker 2: what your life looks like and where you see that

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Speaker 2: going forward in the near and long term. Obviously you've

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Speaker 2: moved your your clinic, you have they change. I get

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Speaker 2: emails from folks who say they can't get an appointment

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Speaker 2: with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients.

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Speaker 2: She has her political side and she has her medical side.

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Speaker 2: What does that look like for you in the near

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Speaker 2: and long term?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I

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Speaker 4: was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to, you know, take on more than

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Speaker 4: I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean continues to practice. I think that's key because

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Speaker 4: it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's going on.

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Speaker 4: I am going to do a weekly podcast. I'm collaborating

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Speaker 4: with a an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming on

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Speaker 4: after her show, and it's going to be called on

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Speaker 4: Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus

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Speaker 4: on answering questions because I'm sure you can relate my

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Speaker 4: DMS on social media are just flooded with people with

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Speaker 4: questions and requests and I just can't keep up with it.

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Speaker 4: So I see this as a way, okay.

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Speaker 3: I can.

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Speaker 4: I can answer the questions that the most people have

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Speaker 4: and get it all done once a week and give

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Speaker 4: people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people on

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Speaker 4: this other podcast platform called America out Loud News, and

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Speaker 4: I find it very gratifying because, like you, you gave

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Speaker 4: me a voice and it really was helpful. And so

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Speaker 4: I like giving other people a voice when they've been

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Speaker 4: you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them a

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Speaker 4: chance to share their story.

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Speaker 3: I find that very gratifying.

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Speaker 1: And when will that begin.

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Speaker 3: It'll be on Wednesdays?

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Speaker 1: Is it on call?

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Speaker 2: See all or c a w L because that's the

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Speaker 2: national dish of Wales.

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Speaker 1: It's a thick, it's like a stew.

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Speaker 2: I think it would be awesome if you did it

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Speaker 2: as on call and people tune in and they think

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Speaker 2: they're going to get COVID talk and instead you talked

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Speaker 2: about how to make the best Welsh stew. Now, that

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Speaker 2: would be very normal.

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Speaker 3: Donald, That is the first I've heard of that.

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Speaker 1: So give it some thought. Give it some thought.

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Speaker 2: I could see you being big in Cardiff and it's

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Speaker 2: a whole new audience for you. Yes, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: Have you been to Wales? It's really beautiful.

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't Wales.

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Speaker 2: It's like parts of Colorado that have no industry and

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Speaker 2: no business, no hardly anything. Just a little resort shop

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Speaker 2: there where you hire some guide to go for a hike.

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Speaker 2: And I could see that being I could see that

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Speaker 2: being really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others.

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Speaker 2: There's all these different guys out there doing the medical thing.

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Speaker 2: You could do the Welsh stew thing I run but

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Speaker 2: never never acknowledge it's that would be the memory of

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Speaker 2: Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Boden. I am so

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Speaker 2: proud to call you my friend. You are really and

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Speaker 2: I know you don't take well to compliments you like

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Speaker 2: Chad Knakanishi, but you really are a hero. What you

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Speaker 2: have done, the people you have saved, and the voice

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Speaker 2: you have found, and your willingness to continue to fight

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Speaker 2: and show people to fight the way Trump did after

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Speaker 2: he got shot in the head, it's incredibly inspiring. The

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Speaker 2: book is dangerous misinformation by it today the virus, the

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Speaker 2: treatment and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for spending an hour with us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael Raymon.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what that would cost if we had

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Speaker 2: gone into her clinic? Did have been on our show

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Speaker 1: And they would have been needles involved,