1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: there's other Josh over there, the O J. You're the 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: O G. Yes, he's the O J. That's right. We 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: should probably come up with a different nickname for you, Josh. 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: That's tried. Um. So, oh, yeah, this is Stuff you 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Should Know the podcast Nazi Crankhead Edition. We've been doing 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: a lot on Nazis lately, have we. I guess we have. 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: We did the July twenty plot to assassinate Hitler this one. Yeah, 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot. Uh, yeah, this is 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: I thought this is interesting and I remember hearing a 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: lot about this when um, I mean there's been plenty 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: of people in books about Nazis doing lots of drugs. 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: The big one that came out called Blitzed from author 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: Nomen Ohler really made a lot of hey in the 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: news for sure. Um, it was a it was a 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: big deal when it came out just I think in 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: two thousands seventeen, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, and we're 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: endorsing that book is a good read. Have you read it? 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: I read a lot of it, Okay, I got I 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: heard it's a very exhaustive book. It's pretty exhaustive, so 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: it um. I have not read it, but it does 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: seem from from some of the stuff I've read about it. 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: Some of the book reviews are like, yeah, this, this 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: guy's got the goods. This guy, Norman Ohler um spent 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: like five years at least in the archives. So this 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: isn't just like conjecture. This is very well researched and 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: um fact based. Well, I guess there's a little conjecture 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: to it, because he's basically saying drugs drove the Third 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Reich initially and then just like you know, anybody becoming 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: strong out on a drug, it led to the deterioration 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: and ultimately downfall of the Third Reich. And that's a big, 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: big thing to say, Like there's there are very few 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: things in history, especially massive world changing things like the 36 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Third Reich and World War Two and the Holocaust, that 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: you can just pin one thing on. And I'm sure 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: he's not saying like that is it, there's nothing else 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: to it, But he's saying like this is a huge 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: contributor of it, and he's the first. He's not the 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: first person to say, yeah, the Nazis did a lot 42 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: of drugs, he seems to be the first author to 43 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: to really say, yeah, the Nazis did a lot of 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: drugs and this was the result. Yeah. And I think 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: from what I uh, the parts of the book that 46 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: I read and doing this research, it is it's not 47 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: much of a leap. So when you have facts and 48 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: like the number of pills, which we'll get into, and 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: what these pills were, there's just no disputing the physiological 50 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: effect that it has on people and what these drugs 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: do because that's why they were taking them. So it's 52 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: not much of a leap, even though it is some 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: conjecture to say, you know, the blitz creek was uh, 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: probably super effective because they were all on crank. Yeah, 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: it gives blitz creek bop like a new meaning, you know. 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: I I that was totally off the cuff, too off 57 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: the dome. Yeah. So should we talk about Old Germany 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: and sort of the seed of this whole thing. Yeah, 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: but first one more thing while we're kind of on 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: this particular riff. Um, I don't know, because again I 61 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: haven't read the book. I don't know that Ohler is saying, 62 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: and I don't think he is that like the Holocaust 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened if if Germany hadn't been hopped up 64 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: on drugs. Um He's something some people do say that. 65 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: There's some revisionist historians who say, yeah, it was it 66 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: was drugs that was that had gripped Hitler's mind, and 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: had he not been on drugs, the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. 68 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: That appears to be patently untrue. The earliest um, the 69 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: earliest deaths executions in the Holocaust that I found go 70 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: back to nineteen thirty three, and the Nazis had such 71 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: a tenuous grip on power that um that that they 72 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: had to basically make it look like these executions of 73 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: these four Jews at Dachau um were were for were 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: them trying to escape? Like they were shot trying to escape. 75 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: It was such a terrible obvious lie that three SS 76 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: officers and the camp commandant at Dachau were indicted for murder. 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: That's how new the Nazis were into power that they 78 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: these guys were indicted for murder. The indictments went away. 79 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: But again this was three, way early, way before anybody 80 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: was on drugs and UM, and the Holocaust was just 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: that was like the earliest beginnings of the Holocaust, and 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: it showed this mentality and this drive and desire to 83 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: carry out the Holocaust later on. So so anybody who 84 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: says that it was drugs that brought about the Holocaust 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: is wrong from what I understand. So you mentioned nineteen 86 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: thirty three, Uh, that is interesting that data is because 87 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: there were plenty of drugs. The Nazis weren't doing them yet, 88 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: but they started passing laws in nineteen thirty three as 89 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: one of the big first moves of the Nazis to um, 90 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: to clean up the land, to clean up the Weimar 91 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: Republic which is what Germany was basically known as from 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen to nineteen thirty three. Yeah, the Weimar Republic 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: was an experiment at democracy in Germany and it almost 94 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: took like the last five years of the republic showed 95 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: like economic growth. It was during the jazz Age, so 96 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: everybody was kind of partying, as we'll see. And UM, 97 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't until the Great Depression started in nineteen twenty 98 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: nine that this really fragile republic, this really fragile democracy 99 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: just could not handle that kind of economic hit, and 100 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: it gave Hitler in the National Socialism Party this per 101 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: ficct entree into power by saying, first of all, we 102 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: can we can turn things around economically. The Wymar Republic 103 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. And secondly, this all Wymar Republic thing, 104 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: everybody's on drugs, they're all degenerates. And then they used 105 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: that idea of degenerate art of people being on cocaine 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: and morphine, and and tied it in with Judaism. And 107 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: so anybody who was on drugs, anyone who was gay, 108 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: anyone who would say like a roma, Um, they were 109 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: all tied in with the Jews, and all of those 110 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: people were subject to the Holocaust um right out of 111 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: the gate. Yeah, so the stage is set. They're locking 112 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: up their imprisoning, their sterilizing addicts, UM, denouncing these users. Uh. 113 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: And then and these are, like we said, cocaine and morphine, 114 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: which Germany was like one of the leading or maybe 115 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: the leading producer of cocaine in the world at the time. Right, 116 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: you gotta tell them those statistics. Yeah, in the nineteen 117 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: twenties Germany, UH, companies in Germany generated of the world's 118 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: morphine and controlled eight of the global cocaine market. That is, 119 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties. Astounding, and so you can imagine 120 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: that the Weimar Republic is awash in this. And so 121 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: there really was like a lot of I mean, there 122 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: was tons of wow, almost just said something else. There 123 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: were tons of tons of horrible broken lives and addiction. 124 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: There was a lot of homelessness. There was a lot 125 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: of prostitution. There was a lot of um, a lot 126 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: of I mean issues and problems that the society had. 127 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: But there was also a lot of really interesting and 128 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: good things that was coming out of this combination of 129 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: a democracy of washing drugs. There were things like a 130 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: lot more gender equality than there had been before. There 131 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of androgyny going on, and kind of 132 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: like the art and social scene, there was some really 133 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: good art coming out. But again the Nazis came along 134 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: and denounced it as degenerate art and actually held an 135 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: exhibition chuck in a degenerate art exhibition where they showed 136 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: everybody in Germany, this is bad art, and we're going 137 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: to destroy a lot of this and replace it with um. 138 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: The three k's. It was kinder couch, I think couch, yeah, 139 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: k you with the new and Kirsch, which is family 140 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: home in church. And that is what our art, that 141 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: is what our culture is going to be about. So 142 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: the Weimar Republic provided this really great foil to what 143 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: the Nazis were kind of rousing Germany out of, like, hey, 144 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: let's all get off the cocaine, let's all get off 145 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: the morphine. And in fact, if you know an addict, 146 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: tell the cops, you neighbor, you co worker, you family member, 147 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: go and form on on the drug users in this country. 148 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: Let's let's clean Germany up. Let's clean Germany's bodies up, 149 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: and let's move forward with an emphasis on family home 150 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: in church. That's what the Nazis came to Germany with 151 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: in in right. And as this is going on literally, 152 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: as all this stuff is happening in the nineteen thirties, 153 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: early in mid nineteen thirties, they're denouncing these people, locking 154 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: them up um, talking about how toxic these drugs are. 155 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Germany and companies in Germany were switching over to synthesizing 156 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: drugs and making speed and all kinds of drugs synthetic, 157 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: like precursors to OxyContin and uh, meth basically. Uh. There 158 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: was a firm in Berlin called the Timbler Firm, and 159 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: they were headed up and this is a seven by 160 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: man named Fritz house Child, who uh later on was 161 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: the sort of leading dude in East Germany's sports doping program. 162 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: So he's he knows what he's doing. So they synthesized 163 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: basically crystal meth into something and you know, at least 164 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: as the same kind of active ingredients as a little 165 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: pill called purvitin V E R V I T I 166 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: N and um. It wasn't just the army that uses 167 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: and we'll get into all that, because the German military 168 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: was definitely hopped up on what we now know as 169 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: crystal meth. But this stuff was over the counter at first, 170 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of Germany was using this, housewives were 171 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: using it. And we should say that like the same 172 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: stuff was going on as benz adrine in the United States, 173 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: like they were. It seems like the whole world was 174 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: hopped up on speed in the nineteen thirties, not just 175 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: the thirties, like well into the sixties, well, I mean 176 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: starting in the nineteen thirties. Uh, And so purviton was 177 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: over the counter at first, eventually, uh, you know, some 178 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: alarm bell started going off, so they just like, we 179 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: might want to make this prescription. And then they said, well, 180 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: you know what, we don't know if the general public 181 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: should have this at all, but we totally want our 182 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: military to still have it. Yeah, it was called the 183 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: Stimulant Decree where the head of the German um physiology 184 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: department in the in the Defense ministry, his name was 185 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: Otto Ranki. He said, give me thirty five million of 186 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: those stimulant tabs because we're waging a war on exhaustion, 187 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: as we'll see. Let's let's before we hop into the military. 188 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: You want to take a break, Yes, okay, I'm ready. 189 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: We need to starting now, George, okay, Chuck. So in 190 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: Germany before before there's a really important point that I 191 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: don't want to gloss over. Germany went from this. As 192 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: far as the Nazis were concerned, it's kind of shiftless um, 193 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: high unemployment, fragile economic state where a lot of people 194 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: were selling and doing cocaine and morphine recreationally and to 195 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: stave off depression. I mean, they were in a pretty 196 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: bad spot as a country weight or like you know, well, 197 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: well no not yet, not yet that was not the 198 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: point of it. Yet. It was strictly to get high, 199 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: is what they were doing in the Ymar Republic was 200 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: just a perk when the well, no, that was a 201 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: Nazi thing. So then the Nazis come along and they say, 202 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: we're not doing cocaine and morphine anymore. Let's try these 203 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: other synthetic stimulants that can be produced strictly in Germany. 204 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: And one of the things that is a benefit is 205 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: weight loss or I saw first date jitters or um 206 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: just self confidence, depression, anything you could think of that 207 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: you might need a little boost for. Purvitin was was 208 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: advertised for, I almost prescribed, but like you said, it 209 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: was over the counter. And so it's really interesting that 210 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: that um Norman Ohler makes this point. Around the time 211 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: the perviting came out and started to become into widespread use, 212 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: the German economy started cranking into full gear. So one 213 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: of the first points that Owlder makes is without this speed, 214 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: Germany probably wouldn't have been able to get onto wartime 215 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: footing as fast as it did because it happened overnight 216 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: in terms of like huge social social change, and that 217 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: was a big part of it. Was this pervitin the 218 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: speed that everyone in Germany was on. And now thinking 219 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: about you know, the German the health of the German 220 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: country in Germany itself. Yeah, and you know, if you 221 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: think about a military being hopped up on speed um, 222 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: it has a lot of initially may have a lot 223 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: of advantages and that not only are you feeling euphoric 224 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: and confident and you're super focused, but you can also 225 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: battle it up and wore it up for two days 226 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: straight without sleeping and still feel good. So they were 227 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: passing them out literally in chocolates. Uh some of them 228 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: were called uh ponza chocolata tank chocolate for the tank 229 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: drivers and tank crews. And then they would give them 230 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: to the Air Force. They would give them to pilots 231 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: and they called it either pilot salt or pilots chocolate. 232 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: And between, dude, between April and July, just what is that? 233 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: Four months? Yes, in nineteen forty more than thirty five 234 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: million doses of purbiton were manufactured for the army. In 235 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: the Air Force alone over three three and a half 236 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: four months, thirty five million doses. And I mean there 237 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: are plenty of accounts um like on record. This is 238 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: not speculation at all. There was a Nobel Prize winner 239 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: named Einrich Bowl who won the Nobel Prize in nineteen 240 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: seventy two for literature, and he was he was in 241 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: the army back before he was an author, and like 242 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: the our letters home where he's like, perhaps you could 243 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: obtain some more purbaton for my supplies and just send 244 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: it on over. So they love the stuff, yeah, oh yeah, 245 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: they loved it, um, not not just like the the 246 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: actual like soldiers loved it, which they very much did 247 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: from all from all appearances, but also the people running 248 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: the show, um of the military, the Wehrmacht loved it 249 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: too well. They were on it themselves, sure, but they 250 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: also loved like the effects, like they it turned German 251 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: soldiers into like super soldiers. Basically they didn't need sleep. 252 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: They could they could hike through forests for days on end, 253 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: and they did. Actually, the blitz creak into France was 254 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: carried out over about three three plus days and um 255 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Norman Ohler says in his book that in in less 256 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: than a hundred hours, Germany gained more land in France 257 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: than it did throughout the entirety of World War One, 258 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: and it was because it was one big push all 259 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: the way into France that took place over three days, NonStop. 260 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: There wasn't like let's let's move like twenty miles and 261 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: then camp for the night and then pick up the 262 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: next morning. It was a NonStop move into France. And 263 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: from what I understand, no one in in the modern 264 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: world had ever seen anything like that from a military. 265 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense. And that was it for France. 266 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like, this was May of nineteen forty France. 267 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: France fell like almost immediately just in the face of this. 268 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: And they used the same tactic in Poland the year before, 269 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: and all of this was they think, it's not like, oh, 270 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: this coincides with the time that you know, the military 271 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: was was ordering pervitin. It's documented that pervitin was the 272 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: reason that this these pushes were able to happen and 273 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: why Germany looked like they really were going to take 274 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: over the world in the early stages of World War two. Yeah, 275 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: and this stuff was, I mean, it was it was 276 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: from the top down. And we'll we'll get to Hitler's 277 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: drug use in the third act of this podcast because 278 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: that stuff is super interesting. Um, but it was definitely 279 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: top down, like the head of the Research Institute of 280 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: Defense Physiology, basically the the lead physiologist for the German military. 281 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: His name was Otto Runk. Yeah I mentioned him. Yeah, Yeah, 282 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: he was. He was. He was hopped up on it himself. 283 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: He's the one that endorses from the beginning. And basically 284 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: it's like medically documented that he he essentially at a 285 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: certain point was living in a constant state of speed 286 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: meth overdose. So uh, all right, so the army, the 287 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: Air Force, everyone's all hopped up on this drug. Um, 288 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: they are literally like prescribing this as like these young 289 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: like seventeen eighteen year old German soldiers or are signing 290 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: up for the army or did they sign up or 291 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: did they just get absorbed. It depends on when in 292 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: the in the war you're talking about. Towards the end 293 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: of the war, they had no choice. They were just drafted. 294 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Well any rate, they would say like here's your outfit. Um, 295 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: it's very sharp, I think you must admit, and you 296 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: go boss yeah, And the soldier would say thinks a lot. 297 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: And they would say here's your weapon, and here's your speed, 298 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: like put this under your tongue starting now. Yeah, And 299 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: then here's all the rest of your speed to carry 300 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: around with you. Just come back when you need some more. Yeah, 301 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: and the short term, you know, it's it's like we've 302 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: done plenty of episodes on drugs and on crystal meth, 303 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: and the short term we've been on crystal meth while 304 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: we've done the episodes that the short term effect was 305 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: was great and like you said, they made so many 306 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: gains so much more quickly, to the point where Churchill 307 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: was apparently dumbfounded by how fast they operated. But like, 308 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: over time, it's gonna have the effect of any other drug. 309 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: Just because it comes packaged and marketed as a prescription 310 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it wasn't crystal meth. And over time what 311 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: happens is sleep deprivation and very poor decision making, not 312 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: sharp focus, and soldiers who would die of heart failure 313 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: or who would take their own lives during psychotic breakdowns, 314 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: and you know, withdrawal when they couldn't get their hands 315 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: on the purvitend. So this very much ended up biting 316 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: them on their German highnees. Uh, even after their initial successes. Right. Yeah, 317 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: And and um, I mean you can point to the 318 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: places where the where the war started to turn that 319 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: that coincide with um. You know, points where it had 320 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: been years that the German army had been on stimulants 321 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: and speed for basically every day since then, and like, 322 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't even have to You could be 323 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: the most drug naive person in the world and you 324 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: still know that space staying on speed for three years, 325 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: there's eventually going to be a bottoming out. And that's 326 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: not a place where you want to be as a military, 327 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: especially when you're deep into Russia in the winter. If 328 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: your whole army is bottoming out after Matthews, yes, that's 329 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: not good. And that seems to be what happened. Like 330 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why the Russia offensive was was 331 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: um was not was not successful. It is because there 332 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: was a lot of um, A lot of UM. I 333 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: keep using the word followed or bottoming out what's it 334 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: called when like you oh, crashing from speed sure and 335 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: like and and suffering from psychosis and all sorts of 336 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: other problems. And then even if it wasn't directly like 337 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: their their decision making wasn't affected or even if you 338 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: take all that out, being in Russia, caught in Russia 339 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: in the winter, um while being addicted to speed for 340 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: three years. That is not a good place. Your body 341 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: is not in the kind of place where it can 342 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: fight off pneumonia easily or stay warm easily. It's severely compromised. 343 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: Just on like say, a first dose of speed in 344 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: that situation, but after being on speed every day for 345 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: three years, that's a really bad situation. So in that sense, 346 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: at the very least, speed would have contributed to a 347 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: really huge um set back for the German Army that 348 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people point to is one of the 349 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: at least the real nail in the coffin for Germany, 350 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: which was um Russia not being successful in Russia turning 351 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: the tides and pushing Germany back or the German army 352 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: back into Germany and then chasing it into it. That 353 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: was that was a big deal, and it's possible that 354 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: speed played a really big factor in it. Well for sure. 355 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we we talked about older speculation about some 356 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: of this stuff, but again it's it's sort of a 357 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: numbers game. I mean, there there are studies that show 358 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: that if you take crystal meth a lot for three years, 359 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: that two thirds of the people who use that drug 360 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: in that way are going to suffer from serious psychosis. 361 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: So it's just a math problem. If that many pills 362 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: were literally being handed out in the army and they 363 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: were all using it for that amount of time, then 364 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: that means, according to studies, that two thirds of the 365 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: German army at some point we're suffering from psychosis drug 366 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: induced psychosis. That's not good. And apparently towards the end 367 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: of the war UM German chemists were trying to come 368 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: up with new drugs. There was one that didn't get 369 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: deployed UM, but that was tested or I think it 370 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: might have been deployed, I can't remember UM called Drug 371 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: nine or d I X Roman Numeral nine, and it 372 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: was basically like cocaine and morphine and then another kind 373 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: of morphine, and it was it was meant to combat 374 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: the to get the German army back on its feet, UM. 375 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: But it was just so over the top that it 376 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: was never never issued in like any kind of wide 377 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: supply because it was just it was basically like here, addicts, 378 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: here's a brand new super drug that's going to keep 379 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: you going. But it didn't quite work. But they found 380 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: I saw that in tests on on concentration camp inmates. 381 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: They would they would hike in a colaw in a 382 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: circle like ninety kilometers in a day without rest, so 383 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: it would work. But I think they also tried it 384 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: on some some one man subs and it didn't work 385 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: out very well. D nine So sounds like like the 386 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: dude in college that's like, dude, I got some D nine. Man. 387 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: It was this like this German drug back in World 388 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: War Two that was a combination. It's the ultimate super 389 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: drug and some guy in uh Indiana is making it now. Yep, yep, 390 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: that's where they would make it, when in fact it 391 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: was just you know, white Crosses smashed up right and 392 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: mixed with um, you know, Pillsberry sugar cookie dough. Alright, 393 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: so I think we should take another break. We're going 394 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: to finish up with what I think is the most 395 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: interesting part of this whole thing, which is Adolf Hitler's 396 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: rampant drug use in his his own Michael Jackson esque 397 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: personal doctor who injected up on a daily basis right 398 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: after this ge alright, so there's this doctor. His name 399 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: was doctor Morrel, Dr Theodore Morrel, and he kind of 400 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: wormed his way into He was not a highly um 401 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: thought of doctor. He was not highly credited. To begin with, 402 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: he was sort of known as a quack. He was 403 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: a dermatologist though, and I think that's how he first 404 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: curried favor with Hitler was in curing is his long 405 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: time exema, right, And he also just uh he worked 406 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: on venereal diseases and stuff like that, and starting in 407 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: ninety six, he managed to worm his way in there 408 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: such that Hitler made him his private physician. And it's 409 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: like you always hear about these private physicians, whether it's 410 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or Elvis or anyone in this high position 411 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: of power or world leader who has their own doctor 412 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: Field Good essentially, and that's what happened with Hitler. He uh, 413 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean, should we just go ahead and talk about 414 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: the daily routine? Sure, there's so many interesting things here. 415 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: Hitler would. First of all, Hitler had bad um. I mean, 416 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it ib s um notoriously flatulent 417 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: and diarrhea and just had a bad bad stomach problems 418 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: and intestinal issues like gas that Dr Morrell once noted 419 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: in his journals, because he kept extensive journals untreating Hitler, 420 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: who he called patient A, he referred to it as 421 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: colossal gas. The likes of which he's never seen before. 422 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: Like that was the kind of gas that Hitler was 423 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: dealing with. Of course, Hitler had the worst farts of 424 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: all time, of all times, worst farts in history. So, uh, 425 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: he goes vegetarian, and he did not help things. It 426 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: did not help things because he basically subsisted on a 427 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: diet of baby food. Um they didn't call it baby 428 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: food or serve it to him with a plastic spoon 429 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: from a little tiny jar, but he ate purade, watery 430 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: vegetables basically, which is not going to cure your flatulence. Uh, 431 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: and he was he started to get uh, doped up 432 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: a little bit from Morrel, and he's like, hey, I 433 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: feel a little bit better with this stuff. And it 434 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: got to the point where he didn't care what he 435 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: was getting as long as the result was that it 436 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: made him feel better. And so eventually Morrel got up 437 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: to the point where he was injecting him daily, multiple 438 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: times a day, with anywhere from I've seen twenty five 439 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: to dy different drugs over the course of about nine years. Yeah, 440 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: and so and all of this it started in ninety 441 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: six and like you said, ran for nine years, and 442 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: at first it was you know, doctor Morrell was one 443 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: of the first doctors in Germany to espouse the healing 444 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: and health benefits of vitamins. Before that, vitamins weren't really 445 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: thought of as healthy, and he was like, no, they're 446 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: super healthy. Watch, I'll show you under fear. And remember 447 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: one of the things about Nazi Germany was that like, 448 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: you kept your body pure to help the German state. 449 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: It was like a component of fascism was was like 450 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: being pure and drug free. But if they were vitamins 451 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: and they were injected by a doctor, that's fine, we 452 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: can do all those. So um, this idea of keeping 453 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: Hitler seeming like fit and active and like full of 454 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: um spit and vinegar, you know. Um, that was supposedly 455 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: from Morrel's vitamin injections. But then as time went off 456 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: and Hitler started to suffer more ill health again, some 457 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: of these vitamins were supplemented by just straight up, straight 458 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: up drugs that were produced by Germany, like Purveton and 459 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: like you could all, yeah, so Hitler's getting injected um 460 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: with and like you said, he like Hitler notoriously was 461 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: thought of as a teetotler. He didn't even drink coffee. 462 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: He quit smoking and he was supposed to be this 463 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: picture of health. All the while he's getting injected with 464 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: everything from literal cocaine to morphine, to precursors to OxyContin 465 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: two uh extractions of bull semen because Hitler very notoriously 466 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: had um issues in the in the E. D department testosterone. 467 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy the amount of drugs that he 468 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: was getting injected with multiple times daily. I saw a 469 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: d was the high estimate on with one source. I 470 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: saw ninety elsewhere. But a cocktail and not just like 471 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: here's one drug and then the next day, here's a 472 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: different drug, a cocktail of up to combinations of up 473 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: to ninety different drugs, you know, during during the course 474 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: of this this time repeatedly getting injected like daily injections. 475 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Apparently towards the end of the war, Hitler's veins had 476 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: started collapsing. But UM to Hitler, or at least the 477 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: way that Hitler pretended was that this was his doctor, 478 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, shooting him up with vitamins UM when he 479 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: when he got I when he got a cocaine, it 480 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: was given in the form of eye drops. Yeah, well 481 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: that was that was early on, Like this was before 482 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: they started shooting him up. They would give it to 483 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: him and I drive, I dropped it ten times the 484 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: concentration that because cocaine was used in medicine a little 485 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: bit um but at very low doses, so he would 486 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: ramp it up by ten times, squirt it in his eye, 487 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: and eventually, like anything else, you have to ramp it 488 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: up to get that same high. So that's when the 489 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: injection started. Well, he also started snorting it. I saw 490 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: to um to clear his to clear his sinuses and 491 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: keep his throat clean, or throat um to ease a 492 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: sore throat. Just stupid stuff like that. But it was 493 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: through that Elvis paradigm, which was if a doctor's giving 494 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: it to me, it's legal, it's a it's not it's 495 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: not a drug. Drug. It would have been scandalous if 496 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: it had gotten out that that Hitler was snort in 497 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: cocaine because again like the Nazis had associated that with 498 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, degenerates in the Weimar Republic, so no one 499 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: did cocaine. If Hitler had been caught doing cocaine, that 500 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: would have been a big deal. Yeah, and you know, 501 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: by all accounts, by the end of the war, you know, 502 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: those final dark dark days of Hitler the Bunker, and 503 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: and this we know the stuff because Dr Morrell left 504 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: behind a treasure trove of documentation to kind of cover 505 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: his own but just in case anything ever happened. So 506 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: we have all this documentation. But from what everyone has 507 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: written in history, in the final days, hit Or was 508 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: just a straight up junkie. Yeah, that's that's that's certainly 509 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: how Older characterizes the whole thing. Um, And it's not 510 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: just him, like a lot of people are like, no, 511 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: Hitler's health decline tremendously, Like he didn't go into the 512 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: war with too many health problems aside from eczema and 513 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: something called spina bifida occulta, which they think was responsible 514 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: for his um his problematic um bowels and gas. But 515 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: like he didn't have massive problems, he didn't have Parkinson's. 516 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: By the end of the war, he seemed to have 517 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: developed Parkinson's he um, he had trouble walking. He uh, 518 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: he was very much emaciated and sallow and so um. 519 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: Older for the first time really lays this at the 520 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: feet of Dr Morrell and his injections, because not only again, 521 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: not only is it like cocaine and morphine and oxycoxycontin 522 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: and um uh speed that he's giving Hitler. Some of 523 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: these other can coxin's are like really not good. There 524 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: was an anti gas pill called Dr Couster's Anti gas Pills. 525 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: They had had Strict nine in it. Yeah, Hitler took 526 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: a lot of those. And you know, if you take 527 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Strict nine every day over the course 528 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: of years, it's going to have some really negative impacts 529 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: on you. So not only was it that Hitler was 530 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: addicted to drugs, he was also being given some very 531 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: poisonous toxic materials by his doctor in other ways too, 532 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: and that was it accumulatively had this effect. But I 533 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: think the big money thing, Chuck is like, how did 534 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: it impact Hitler's judgment? How does that correlate towards the 535 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: end of the war, And that's where Ohler is really 536 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: going into town. He's like, dude, Hitler was, like you said, 537 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: just totally addicted to drugs morphine, OxyContin, um speed, cocaine 538 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: by the end of the war, and it had clouded 539 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: his judgment. And even though no call off, he's still 540 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: I think it might have been Himmler or Spear, one 541 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: of his close advisors had said like man when when 542 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: the war started Hitler, Hitler could make a decision in 543 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: a snap. By the by the towards the end of 544 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: the war, bye, he it was just like a nightmare 545 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: watching him like go back and forth and try to 546 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: come to a conclusion in a decision, and that that 547 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: was directly related to the drugs he was on well 548 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: and increasingly sequestered and paranoid. Like the whole thing was 549 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. Uh, you know, you've talked about Morrel. 550 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: What he had to gain was obviously the prestige of 551 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: being Hitler's personal physician. But he had a lot of 552 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: money in the in the game here because he was 553 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: cranking out this preparation that he called Vita Molton that 554 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: was marketed across Europe, and he was essentially in the 555 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: drug business, like he was making it tons of money, 556 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: and he could try out Hitler as his star patient 557 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: and even went so far as to basically he wrote 558 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: a letter to the Reich Health Office because you know, 559 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: eventually doctors and people started coming out and saying, hey, 560 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: like this stuff is not good. We need to outlaw this. 561 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: This is having a bad effect. And so he wrote 562 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: the Reich Health Office and said, the fewer has authorized 563 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: me to do the following. If I bring out in 564 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: test a remedy and then applied in the fureer's headquarters 565 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: and applied successfully that it could be applied elsewhere in 566 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: Germany and no longer needs authorization. So so yeah, it's 567 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: like you just try to try to come back with 568 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: a response to that. Yeah. And in the meantime and 569 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: building a factory and getting rich, uh making speed for 570 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: all of Germany. Yeah, this Vita Molton, there was like 571 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: a billion packets ordered by just you know, the um, 572 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: the Hrmacht alone, let alone like all of the German people. 573 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: UM that he sold a lot and made a lot 574 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: of money off of it. Um. But from from what 575 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: seems to be UM, I guess Older Owler's research has 576 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: kind of shown that UM, that Morrell was very much 577 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: dedicated not just as a doctor, but like personally to 578 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: Hitler too, and that he most likely over the years 579 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: historians have accused Morrel of purposefully trying to harm Hitler 580 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,479 Speaker 1: or um something along those lines. But the apparently Older 581 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: is like, no, this guy really was a true believer 582 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: and was really like very much proud that he was 583 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: Hitler's physician. He didn't know what he was doing. He 584 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: definitely turned Hitler into an addict of multiple drugs, a 585 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: super I think a super addict is how um Owlder 586 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: puts it. But he he was still devoted to him. 587 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: He wasn't doing it to cause deliberate harm, right. Um, 588 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: It's just so interesting this this same thing with like 589 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and Elvis. It's like there's this weird thing 590 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: that happens where these doctors completely so their souls to 591 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: work alongside these people in positions of power and essentially 592 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: kill them eventually, uh, by just feeding them whatever drug 593 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: they needed. Like he was not only on speed obviously 594 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: to counteract that. You need something to bring you down. 595 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: So then he would get injected with something called you 596 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: could all that's the OxyContin uh relative. Yeah, so he 597 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't know which way it was up 598 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: at a certain point. Um, eventually, like he would he 599 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: fired Morrel on April seventeen. Two weeks later, Hitler put 600 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: a bullet in his brain. Morrell gets tried for war 601 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: crimes and goes to jail and then I believe died 602 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: of a stroke in nine. Yeah, he he was not 603 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: tried for war crimes, but he was interrogated, No, he wasn't. Um, 604 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: he was interrogated in prison for two years by the 605 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: Allies who just pumped him for all the information they 606 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: could get about Hitler. He was just in prison being questioned. Yes, interesting, 607 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: And he ended up producing or contributing to like a 608 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: forty seven page report about Hitler and Hitler's health that 609 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: the Allies had that didn't come out until I think 610 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: the nineties in the US. But um, he was a 611 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: huge trove of information. But more than that, and the 612 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: fact that he got Hitler addicted to OxyContin that led 613 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: to Hitler making some terrible decisions, to becoming increasingly paranoid, 614 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: to stop listening to his generals, to becoming embarrassed for 615 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: these defeats, and like withdrawing even further and then ultimately 616 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: losing the war, and um taking his own life. In 617 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: that sense, the world owes a tremendous debt to Theodore Morrell. 618 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny when you think about it, like 619 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: we owe that dude. And imagine this also another way 620 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: to look at this, Chuck, Imagine that you had gotten 621 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: behind this, this cult of personality, this leader, this charismatic 622 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 1: leader who said we are going to take over the world, 623 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: and you decided that you were on board with that. 624 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: You're a German who was going along with it. Maybe 625 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: you were pepped up on a little bit of speed um. 626 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: And then over time, right in the middle of this 627 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: taking over the world thing that's actually starting to seem 628 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: like it might work, that leader decides that he's going 629 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: to go and get hooked on like five different extraordinarily 630 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: addictive drugs right in the middle of taking over the world, 631 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: and that that would be the thing that brought about 632 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: the downfall, which you which Older makes the cases like, yes, 633 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: you can lay a lot of this the downfall of 634 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: of the Third Reich, at the feet of drugs. Well, 635 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's certainly you can't fault Older for for 636 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: going there, because is such a juicy thing to take 637 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: all these facts about all this drug use, rampant drug use, 638 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: and then years later go back and say, like what 639 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: if this hadn't happened, or what was the overall effect 640 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: not just that they did these drugs, but what how 641 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: did it affect history? Super interesting? Yeah, it's extraordinarily interesting. 642 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's good stuff. Oh, I found I 643 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: found one other thing too. I want to mention. There's 644 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: something called Muda floor or Muta floor m U t 645 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: A f l o R. It's still available. It was 646 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: Hitler's go to probiotic, and it was isolated in nineteen 647 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: seventeen from a stool sample taken from a World War 648 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: One soldier who, while everybody else in his troop was 649 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: like getting dysentery left and right, he was healthy. And 650 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: this doctor noticed and and isolated a particular kind of 651 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 1: bacteria in this guy's stool. And you can buy um 652 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: pills made from that line of bacteria to this day, 653 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: except it's illegal in the US for some reason, which 654 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: makes me really want to see what it's all about. 655 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: But you're eating World War One poop bacteria when you 656 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: take this Muta floor. But it was given to Hitler 657 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: and apparently it worked, so Hitler's probiotic, which I'm I'm 658 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: sure Muta floor is like, please don't call it Hitler's probiotic. 659 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: We're still trying to sell that stuff. Uh. Well, do 660 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: you want to know more about Hitler and drugs, Just 661 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: go read um Blitzed The Third Reich and Drugs by 662 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: Norman Ohler, or you can go read all the book 663 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: reviews about it, Uh like I did. And since I 664 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: said that, it's time for a listener mail, I'm gonna 665 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: call this uh epic pants story in the Science of Breakups? Um, 666 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: you were talking about getting pants? Oh yes, I remember. 667 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: So this is from anonymous. Hey guys, it happened in 668 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: high school. I was gathering up the nerve to ask 669 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: a girl out on a date that I had a 670 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: crush on, to set the scene and highlight the level 671 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: of embarrassment I'm setting myself for. It's worth noting that 672 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: at this point in my life I had never actually 673 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: asked a girl out this boldly. I was going to 674 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: do it face to face in the classroom in front 675 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: of her friends and my friends. Geez, it's not a 676 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: good idea. Can't you like Catcher by her locker? And 677 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: she's not surrounded by people. He was hopped up on 678 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: purvet and feeling really confident. Maybe, Uh, this out of 679 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: character for me, But I couldn't find the courage on 680 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: my own, so I confided in a close friend who 681 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: agreed to be my wingman. He was very supportive, Plus 682 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: he had inside her info. They actually heard her say 683 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: that she liked me. Man, Remember those days? How sweet 684 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: that was yes, does she like me? Yes? Or maybe? Uh? 685 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: The teacher left the classroom for a minute. My trusty 686 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: mate said I should go for it and do it 687 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: right now. So with the encouragement from him, I needed uh, 688 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: and I was nervous as h I walked over to 689 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: her table of friends, interrupted them, had her full attention, 690 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: and started asking her out on the date I was 691 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: actually doing it. Guys, I felt amazing, and then bam, 692 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: super supportive mate had set me up and pants to 693 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: me in front of her and the whole class. Now 694 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: it gets worse, he think, Huh, I'm not gonna say. 695 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: I think you know what's coming. The execution was perfect, guys. 696 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: One pantst full monty before the whole class and for 697 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,479 Speaker 1: a whole second before I could halt the process. Dude, 698 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: could you imagine I would never recover? Hey, No, I'd move. 699 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: I'd go home and be like, we have to move 700 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: to a new school in a new state, maybe a 701 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: new country, wasn't It's funny you mentioned that, because I 702 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: think every school also had some kid who didn't show 703 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: up after summer the next fall and when in fact 704 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: his dad got a transfer, but there would be some 705 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: story cooked up on why I saw him on a 706 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: milk carton. Wait, that was a kid at our school 707 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: who supposedly moved because he masturbated in class and got caught. 708 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: And I don't think any of it was true. Oh 709 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: my gosh, Oh my gosh. But is there like a 710 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: kernel of truth to that, you know what I mean? 711 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: Last years later the playground say it, actually, don't say, 712 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: but it's funny. I haven't thought about that since the 713 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: ninth grade. I'm gonna totally look him up and see 714 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: if he's out there. Um. Anyway, guys, the betrayal was set. 715 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: Gainst was second to Judas and the wave of embarrassment 716 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: so Gargantelin that all I could do was just take 717 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: a seat and die inside. We were an art class, 718 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: but if the subject was advanced pantsing, my mate would 719 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: have gotten an A plus. He's like, I was so embarrassed. 720 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't even pull my pants up when I took 721 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: a seat. I just sat down with my bare butt 722 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: and fruit basket right on the lunch room bench. I 723 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: just gave into it, guys, and went dong out for 724 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: the rest of the semester. Um what no, no, no, 725 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: he did. I was like, Wow, good for this. I 726 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: was just riffing on your bit, like I feel like 727 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm about to throw up. I must I love green 728 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: right now right. So he keeps saying mate. It turns 729 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: out he is Australian because he says ps in Australia 730 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: instead of saying pants. Do we say dacked d A 731 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,720 Speaker 1: c K E D. I saw that somewhere dacks refer 732 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: to pants like tracky decks are track pants. To put 733 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: it in a sentence, my mate is such a dog. 734 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: He full dacked me in front of this chick. I 735 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: like h And that's from anonymous. Thanks a lot of 736 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,399 Speaker 1: anymous appreciate you sharing that, even though it was anonymously. 737 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,720 Speaker 1: That's right. 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