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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past.

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Speaker 2: Tune in is Matt Smith and Paul Perillo offer in

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Speaker 2: depth interviews with some of the greatest players and coaches

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Speaker 2: in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 3: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 3: Mike Raybold.

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Speaker 2: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 2: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 4: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 4: Hoyer're joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but

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Speaker 4: number one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Good to be home, Good to see you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Search for Pats in the past anywhere you get your podcast,

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Speaker 2: even learn.

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Speaker 5: On him and he just wants to make the playoffs

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Speaker 5: like that that's been there and knows that feeling.

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Speaker 6: What a good part on guys that you go about

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Speaker 6: this final week. We're also into the offseason.

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Speaker 4: Those kind of feelings.

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Speaker 6: To hold on to those fieldings throughout the off season

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Speaker 6: and make sure that you trained to the highest ability.

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Speaker 6: Train every day, reflect on your thought process during the season,

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Speaker 6: reflect on how you played during the season, so then

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Speaker 6: when we come back next year, you're ready to to

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Speaker 6: be ten times better than than you were last.

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Speaker 3: Time you tri Truchter Huntern just kind of showered Alex

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Speaker 3: them health and priss when he's brought us a first

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Speaker 3: year coordinator, I'm curious on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 6: Feel that Covington has me?

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Speaker 4: Who do you feel that he's brought to the defense

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Speaker 4: and how has he helped you use player?

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Speaker 6: Most definitely what coach been with me, I think my

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Speaker 6: whole career. He his love of understanding of the game

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Speaker 6: able to grasp the entire spectrum of what a defense

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Speaker 6: intelligent coach. Every time I talk to him, he's able

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Speaker 6: to lay out while we're doing certain calls, while we're

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Speaker 6: to that Rich, So he's very very intelligent, so looking

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Speaker 6: to see how his feature continues to grow. Petrich. Here

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Speaker 6: we are, final week of the season. Any reflections on

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Speaker 6: the season.

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Speaker 7: Getting to this point now being find it finally the final.

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Speaker 6: Week in the season. Yeah, I don't. I don't have

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Speaker 6: any finalized reflections yet. I'll probably hold all mine until

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Speaker 6: after the everything's done. Yeah, your contract is up though soon?

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Speaker 6: Would you would you like to return? Yeah? Yeah, I

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Speaker 6: if and if not, then it was a wonderful time here.

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Speaker 8: Those already said the Josh Allen will start the game

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Speaker 4: What's that dynamic like of going up against the team

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Speaker 6: Just going up again?

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Speaker 4: It's a team that you know isn't going all in

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Speaker 6: To win a game. Uh. Really, we don't really care

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Speaker 9: Culturally, you've been part of culture prior to this first

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Speaker 9: the culture this year in terms of what you.

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Speaker 6: See that gives you hope that things could get better. Yes, Really,

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Speaker 6: it's the understanding of the game. We have a lot

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Speaker 6: It's really easy when everything's going good to continue to jail.

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Speaker 3: I think we saw you talking about room or with

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Speaker 6: I'd like to keep those contations between us. If you're mine,

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Speaker 6: thank you.

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Speaker 8: Coming back Dan's perspection with the reference in say who

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Speaker 6: Type of questions.

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Speaker 8: You see, you gotta take a mentality with the offseason.

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Speaker 8: You have a similar message for the other guys in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the message is still the same. Whatever you did

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Speaker 6: to That's how I always approached all season to be

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Speaker 5: Just feels like the young players are really learning mental

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Speaker 6: we can't continue to as old saying goes, cry over

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Speaker 5: Guys you know physically hanging how do you recognize it

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Speaker 4: Did you Manufacturing pressure was a pretty big talking point

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Speaker 6: Those struggles, the struggles for manufacturing pressure like games and whatnot. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: So the main focus for us was keeping them in

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Speaker 10: Yanks, thank you, it's up, guys.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, guys. Five that's rock. I did not.

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Speaker 6: And your resolutions for twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I have a few. We'll keep those to myself, but

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Speaker 9: How would you describe the twin around the team and

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean obviously everybody's disappointed, everybody is nobody's happy

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Speaker 10: see that this is not what we want in for

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Speaker 10: But we are where we are, and we have another

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Speaker 10: So we're going to attack this week just like any

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Speaker 1: For that opportunity.

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Speaker 6: Has to change this team to.

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Speaker 10: I mean, obviously we've had some bad games, but we've

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Speaker 10: also been right there too in in a handful of games.

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Speaker 10: I mean, you know, if we I think we need

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Speaker 10: a lot of aspects. And you know, if we flip

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Speaker 10: half of those close games, I mean maybe the season

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: Obviously, we all got to look ourselves in the mirror

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Speaker 10: through this offseason and I think that's that should be

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Speaker 10: the main focus. I don't I can't talk on you know, personnel,

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Speaker 6: Depends on who's in the locker room next year.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious what you think, babyp is that the system

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Speaker 10: I mean, you're you're learning that scheme and trying to

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Speaker 10: Let's just I'm I can speak personally like on routes

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Speaker 6: You've been here a player for nine years, You've seen

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Speaker 8: Eyes enough things in place here as a foundation to

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Speaker 10: I mean, obviously we've got a pretty good quarterback there.

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