WEBVTT - Colin Cowherd Podcast - Nick Wright on Bill Belichick Coaching UNC, NBA Needs Two MAJOR Changes, “Noisy” Wide Receivers

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Wright, my buddy at FS one. We should say this.

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<v Speaker 1>This just broke before we did this twenty minutes before.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Belichick three years, thirty million dollars will now coach

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. I've said before he won forty four percent

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<v Speaker 1>of his games in the NFL on two different teams

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<v Speaker 1>franchises without Tom Brady. I mean, you know, four or

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<v Speaker 1>five in Cleveland losing records first year, Bledsoe losing record,

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<v Speaker 1>last two years, No Brady losing record. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the game culturally has changed. Players have more power. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more of an offensive league. I don't see him being

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<v Speaker 1>a huge hit in North Carolina the advantage. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible conference. It's just it's really bad. There's now if

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<v Speaker 1>he went to the big ten of the SEC, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he'd get crushed. Do you think he has any

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<v Speaker 1>success at Carolina so well?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, you obviously know the college game better

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<v Speaker 2>than I do. Uh And but I had a similar instinct,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the question is can you win the ACC

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<v Speaker 2>or hell, you know, can you come and just make

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<v Speaker 2>the ACC Championship game? Like the ACC got two teams

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<v Speaker 2>in the playoff this year, right, Clemson and SMU, so

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<v Speaker 2>like there's more than one. There's more than one path.

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<v Speaker 2>I my instant reaction was not really about how good

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be at North Carolina. It's about how

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<v Speaker 2>shocking this is. And this is like, to me, at least,

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<v Speaker 2>this is shocking. I Colin, eleven months ago, you and

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<v Speaker 2>I on TV and on the pod talked about should

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<v Speaker 2>the following playoff teams, double digit win teams fire their

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<v Speaker 2>head coach to bring in Bill Belichick? The Dallas Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 2>the Philadelphia Eagles, the Buffalo Bills. It was a if

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<v Speaker 2>they collapsed type of thing when it looked like the

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<v Speaker 2>season was going going to go wrong. That was eleven

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<v Speaker 2>months ago for it to be us to narratively be there,

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<v Speaker 2>and now because I think he's yes, he's taking this

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<v Speaker 2>because Legacy and his son and I get that. But

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<v Speaker 2>I also think he got the message, buddy, you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to be shut out of the NFL coaching church again.

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<v Speaker 2>I assumed last year there would be a fight for

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Belichick. Instead, he got one interview in Atlanta and

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<v Speaker 2>they passed on him for a different defensive head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>And so who had been fired? That to me is

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<v Speaker 1>who had been fired?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? That to me is shocking. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say enjoy conspiracy seat theories because

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<v Speaker 2>that's not it, but you enjoy kind of as I do,

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<v Speaker 2>like why thinking about why did this happen? What could

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<v Speaker 2>be going on behind the scenes. I do wonder how

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<v Speaker 2>much poison was put in the ear of other NFL

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<v Speaker 2>owners by Robert Krafft. Yeah, because for Belichick to truly

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<v Speaker 2>believe no one is going to hire me, that to

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<v Speaker 2>me is that is shocking, like truly truly shocking to

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<v Speaker 2>where he preemptively takes this North Carolina job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think the message for me in this Belichick

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of Bobby Knight is that Bobby Knight was

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<v Speaker 1>viewed in his prime as the best coach. He at

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<v Speaker 1>times could be gruff, you know, mean spirited. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>could not grasp the new culture. Bobby Knight the one

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<v Speaker 1>and done, you know Belichick player empowerment rule changes which

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Reid has seamlessly bounced through like multiple different cultural

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<v Speaker 1>changes in the NFL. And then at the end, basically

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Knight was just trying to get his son a

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<v Speaker 1>head coaching job, and nobody would offer this former genius

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<v Speaker 1>a job no legitimate school would. And that's Belichick, is

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<v Speaker 1>that now he's been reduced to now it's three years

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty million dollars, like Bobby Knight. Basically he's taking

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<v Speaker 1>this job to set his son up for a job

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<v Speaker 1>and can't get any legitimate offers. And I think it

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<v Speaker 1>here's the parallel, is that Bobby was all about retaining power,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was really at the heart of Bobby Knight's

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<v Speaker 1>strength as virtue and his hindrance late is that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to hire Bobby because you hadn't basically give total

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<v Speaker 1>control to him. And that's Bill's problem. His personnel decisions

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<v Speaker 1>are horrible. Now he's had a couple of defensive hits.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't drafted an offensive Pro Bowl level player probably

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<v Speaker 1>since Kronk. But it's it's the unwillingness of older successful

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<v Speaker 1>men to relinquish any power, the need for control.

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<v Speaker 2>So so let me so I do at some point

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<v Speaker 2>because you're interested in this like I am, want to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss how we think Belichick versus Andy is going to

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<v Speaker 2>play out over the next three, five, ten years. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we go to that, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I like doing when I'm on with you is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, I don't want to say straying from sports,

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<v Speaker 2>but which go a lot of places. Does that worry you?

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<v Speaker 2>For you? And by that, I mean because I think

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<v Speaker 2>about it, which is like, man, so many legends across

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<v Speaker 2>so many industries.

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<v Speaker 3>The ending sucks, like the the I the I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was kind of unfair, and I vocally defended him

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<v Speaker 3>on the show, But I think about broadcasting that there

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<v Speaker 3>was in you know, in October, you know, there was

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<v Speaker 3>a raining chorus on social media of you know who sucks?

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<v Speaker 2>Al Michaels and Bob Costas. Ye what are those guys doing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. These are

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<v Speaker 2>like the legends of the industry. But Al was getting

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<v Speaker 2>bad games, and people didn't like the way Bob called

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<v Speaker 2>baseball games, even though that's the way he called baseball

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<v Speaker 2>games forever. And I'm like, well, that's that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>great ending you brought up, Bobby Knight. I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't get or don't execute Johnny Carson, and

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<v Speaker 2>so when you see so many of these guys not

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out an exit, like what is I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>like you're not close to the end of your career.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, Like it's it bounced on my head, like why

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<v Speaker 2>does nobody be why are people not okay leaving? Like

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<v Speaker 2>He's accomplished everything, he's got all the money, he seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be happy socially, Like I don't, I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's concerning, Well, what did Johnny Carson have?

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<v Speaker 1>Who had a great exit that the others didn't? Johnny

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<v Speaker 1>Carson Productions. That's why I created the volume. I will

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<v Speaker 1>manage and be an executive, not a broadcast on your

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<v Speaker 1>own company. Yeah, so, and I enjoyed do that, so

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<v Speaker 1>I created the volume largely so when networks are not interested,

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<v Speaker 1>I will move into a management position. And I love

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<v Speaker 1>that in a production position, that's what I like to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So why do you? But so why do you think? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was not on the board for Bill

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<v Speaker 2>to be like when I'm done with the Patriots, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just done, Like I have six super Bowls, I've made

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<v Speaker 2>twenty plus million for the last however many years, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seventy years old. I evidently want to date incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>young women and travel Like why why is what that's

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating to me? Like why you wouldn't just call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He probably doesn't have a ton of hobbies, although

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<v Speaker 1>he does have a boat and he golfs, so he

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<v Speaker 1>has enough. It's a good question. If Tom Brady would

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<v Speaker 1>have left for Tampa and failed, I think he would

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<v Speaker 1>have been more comfortable just saying it's over. We were

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<v Speaker 1>great for each other and we were never quite the

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<v Speaker 1>same without each other. But Brady Jettison's the Patriots wins

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<v Speaker 1>a super Bowl first year with Tampa.

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<v Speaker 2>And then almost wins an MVP and is also yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and is better than he was his last couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years in New England.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I think that put that, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Bill would acknowledge that, But they are linked forever. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Montana and Bill Walsh are linked forever, and Bird and

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<v Speaker 1>Magic on different teams are linked forever. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think when Tom left and succeeded it puts it.

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<v Speaker 1>It raises doubt about a guy that had five years

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland, four of them losing lost in his first

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<v Speaker 1>year with Drew Bledsoe starting and lost two years in

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<v Speaker 1>a row, and kind of I mean Matt Patricia to

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<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinator, it was a bit of a tone deaf

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<v Speaker 1>clown show. And so I think I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's I think that's part of it. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>tend to and this is incredibly unhealthy. We tend to

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<v Speaker 1>compare ourselves to others. And I think it's just my

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<v Speaker 1>journey is much more Johnny Carson his production company, and oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've told you this before. My idol is Oprah. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not a sportscaster, right, so her production company and Carson's

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<v Speaker 1>production company is much more attractive to me as an

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<v Speaker 1>ending than it is broadcasting when I'm seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I just I there's so many of and

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<v Speaker 2>you see it, I mean, you're seeing it, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like right now with Aaron Rogers. Yeah, in a different way.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see it with athletes more and it feels different,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess because we're more used to it. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, Okay, it's a young man's game. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>a young man. But it just I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's the fame, attention, money being all kind of addictive,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is. Bill Belichick is probably going to be

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<v Speaker 2>coaching in the fucking Pop Tarts Bowl next year, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's unbelievable. Like, that's really unbelievable. When this

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<v Speaker 2>time last year, I was discussing should the Eagles preemptively

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<v Speaker 2>fire Nick Sirianni to hire Bill Belichick? Should the Bills

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<v Speaker 2>fire Shown McDermott just to be the first market for

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Belichick? And I don't know, man, Like, now, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody will dig this clip up in thirty years when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, when I'm doing Fortnite play by play

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitch because nobody else will give me a job,

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<v Speaker 2>They'll be like time comes for us all.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's stunning. It's really stunning. And and I

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<v Speaker 2>just I when I first saw the report a week

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<v Speaker 2>ago and shout out to Inside Carolina dot Com, which

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<v Speaker 2>beat everyone on this story by days every time. But

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<v Speaker 2>when I first saw it, I was like, oh, so

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<v Speaker 2>Inside Carolina dot Com is just as wrong as they

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<v Speaker 2>can be and don't care. Yeah, and then it's like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>they're meeting in Manhattan for five hours. Wait he made

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<v Speaker 2>a four hundred page organizational bible, like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen, and now it's happening, which does bring me

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<v Speaker 2>so the the Andy Reid thing. I only some people

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<v Speaker 2>realize how close it is the Shula record. So Andy's

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<v Speaker 2>at two ninety six, Shola is at three forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Belichick's at three thirty three. So Andy is fifty one

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<v Speaker 2>wins away. He has. Prior to this year, he had

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<v Speaker 2>coached Mahomes for six years. They had ninety wins regular

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<v Speaker 2>season and playoffs those six years, that's exactly fifteen a year.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Andy coaches, you know, for three more years,

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<v Speaker 2>he should be right there. And if he coaches for four,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll have it. He's five playoff wins behind Bill. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>get that in the next Siy would have, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really remarkable when you consider you you'd think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be thirty behind. It's remarkable, it's and so that's so

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to unless he retires, and he just signed

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<v Speaker 2>a new five year, one hundred million dollar deal, he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna catch him in playoff wins and in regular season wins.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just say he doesn't catch him in super bowls.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be conservative and say the Chiefs only win two

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<v Speaker 2>of the next four and that and then he's done

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<v Speaker 2>and he retires with five. Man, I think what's more

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<v Speaker 2>compelling the one more super Bowl and that Belichick was

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<v Speaker 2>three to zero against Andy in the playoffs, which counts

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<v Speaker 2>including a super Bowl, or that Andy won divisions with

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<v Speaker 2>four different quarterbacks at double digit win seasons with four

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<v Speaker 2>different quarterbacks, made a super Bowl with a good but

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<v Speaker 2>not great quarterback, and Belichick one, as you put it,

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<v Speaker 2>forty five percent of his games across a decade of coaching. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>plus when he didn't have you know one, they both

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<v Speaker 2>had the two greatest quarterbacks ever one two two one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think history is going to look more fondly upon Andy. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>and You've saying this for a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been saying if the CTE lawsuit had happened ten

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier, Andy Reid would have a couple more Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowls and would be viewed as the best coach because

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<v Speaker 1>things that were not only allowed, but were promoted during

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<v Speaker 1>many of Belichick's years. Vicious head hunting hits, they were

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<v Speaker 1>promoted coming coming up Sunday, outlawed the minute the game

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<v Speaker 1>was the vicious violent hits were outlawed, which they should

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<v Speaker 1>have been. If you look at medical concerns twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier, that Belichick would have one or two or three,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Andy would have six or seven or eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I really believe that. So I think what it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to is a timing. Jeff Bezos would have been

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<v Speaker 1>really successful, but the Internet and the retail giant allows

0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:02.080
<v Speaker 1>him to be beyond the greatest bookstore owner ever, he

0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.560
<v Speaker 1>is the greatest global retailer ever. So I think the

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<v Speaker 1>timing is a big part of life. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>Belichick is the beneficiary of a league which allowed basically

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<v Speaker 1>the rules favor because years ago, thirty, forty, fifty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>what we considered great football was running backs and pounding

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<v Speaker 1>hits and vicious tackles, and then you realized over time, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a bad look. We're losing lawsuits. What people

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<v Speaker 1>really love is great quarterback play and offensive efficiency, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what drives the ratings. And so there's far more

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<v Speaker 1>on television today and the audience and the platforms are broader,

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<v Speaker 1>yet the ratings are greater than ever. How is that

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<v Speaker 1>possible because the game is more aesthetically pleasing than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. If you watch an old NFL game, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of boring. I mean it's like four sets, seven plays.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we have more options, it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>only sports for the ratings of skyrocketed over twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years and so the game now is it's purest and

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<v Speaker 1>most aesthetically perfect, and Andy dominates the league. In fact,

0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:15.399
<v Speaker 1>he not only dominates the league, but he often embarrasses

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<v Speaker 1>the league. I think the only other coach in the

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<v Speaker 1>league that has the ability to quickly make things great

0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Sean Payton. Now, Shanahan's great, but he gets very tied

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<v Speaker 1>to his play sheet. He can struggle lay in games.

0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.800
<v Speaker 1>What Sean Payton's doing in Denver is WHOA what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening here in that division? Like with a thin roster

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<v Speaker 1>that was picked to win five games? And remember he

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Saints. They were the Aints, they were

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<v Speaker 1>worse than the Jets, and first year I think they

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<v Speaker 1>got to the NFC Championship. So I mean Sean Payton

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<v Speaker 1>and Andy. The difference is one has Mahomes, one has Grease.

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<v Speaker 1>Both great, one transformational, the best talent all time, but

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<v Speaker 1>both great. So I think I do consider you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like saying Picasso or Monet if art only appreciated

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<v Speaker 1>one for one time and another for another era. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think Andy's I think when I look at

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<v Speaker 1>Andy and contextualize both, I'm like his ability to win

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<v Speaker 1>more ways with more unique teams and coaches. Belichick, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, and always almost always went back to the

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<v Speaker 1>same coaches. He had a system and it worked with

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<v Speaker 1>one quarterback, well twofold one is.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I don't know how much people weigh what

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<v Speaker 2>was your coaching tree and their success, right, but Andy's

0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.840
<v Speaker 2>coaching tree is like that to me, is like when

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about great coaches historically and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how much do you weigh that Mike Shanahan ultimately like

0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:50.040
<v Speaker 2>his coaching tree is Kyle's, which is mcveigh's, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the whole league, like you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's got a way in his greatness Andy. So that

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<v Speaker 2>that part of Andy's thing where Bill obviously most of

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who had the most success of his coaching

0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.120
<v Speaker 2>tree as our friend Eric. And other than that, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like really dim l like the people

0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.480
<v Speaker 2>say Bill O'Brien, But Bill O'Brien wasn't really his coaching

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<v Speaker 2>tree as much or right. He went to college first,

0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I guess he was. Who's the person, oh, Vrabel, Bill

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.919
<v Speaker 2>O'Brien is his coaching tree. Verrabel people assigned to him,

0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.359
<v Speaker 2>but Rabel never coached for him ver Abel played for him,

0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.680
<v Speaker 2>went to Ohio State and it's now the coach there. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other point that I wanted to make was Andy,

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<v Speaker 2>did seem or does seem to guarantee you a floor

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<v Speaker 2>that's like eight wins?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And Bill we've seen on the front end, in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle with bloodsoe and on the back end, did not

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<v Speaker 2>like now I do. I think he's the greatest defensive

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<v Speaker 2>mind ever. And I'm not trying to like shit talk

0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 2>a guy who's, you know, clearly right now is the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest coaching resume ever. But when I do wonder, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the last thing I'll say on it, did

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<v Speaker 2>he have held out hope I'm going to get an

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<v Speaker 2>NFL job if he was more convinced if I get

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<v Speaker 2>Shula's record, I'm keeping it? Or did that not become

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<v Speaker 2>as important when he's like hold on him in?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So if I passed Shula in twenty twenty six and

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<v Speaker 2>then Andy laughs me in twenty twenty seven, what is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What you know? What I mean? Why does that matter

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<v Speaker 2>as much?

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't getting great offers like Harbaugh got a Bosa,

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<v Speaker 1>a left tackle and Herbert and a non medaling owner.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good job. Bill wasn't getting those orders. If

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia was offered, I think he'd stay for six years

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.879
<v Speaker 1>because Howie Roseman Jeffrey Lourie a great roster. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting bad offers, then he can look at it

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<v Speaker 1>and go. So I'll be a loser in Cleveland, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a loser in blank and.

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<v Speaker 2>I only want to New Orleans right right?

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<v Speaker 1>But think about this. What if here's I'll cap it

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<v Speaker 1>with this. Let's say Belichick and Andy Reader music producers.

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<v Speaker 1>One creates the greatest band ever, but in two or

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<v Speaker 1>three other bands he bombs. Andy Reid has a great band,

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<v Speaker 1>but several other memorable quality bands as a producer, and

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<v Speaker 1>you'd go, well, maybe maybe the reason the one guy

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<v Speaker 1>had the greatest band he had the greatest lead singer.

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<v Speaker 1>But this guy created multiple bands that are all time

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<v Speaker 1>memorable musical acts and no.

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<v Speaker 2>Flopslop, no flops matters to me about this today, and

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<v Speaker 2>Wilds got angry with you. Wild's like nobody cares about

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<v Speaker 2>how many losing seasons the guy had. I'm like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I was like, but they both coach for insane

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<v Speaker 2>length of period time. Andy has three losing seasons and

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<v Speaker 2>Bill has eight that is that's not nothing. It's not everything,

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<v Speaker 1>So let me throw this at you. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball topic. We don't talk a lot about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's fascinating to me. So I'm agnostic on many things.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of an agnostic personality, from religion to almost anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to be just sort of I weigh information

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<v Speaker 1>and I pick the side. I like, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of purity in me right Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of loyalty outside of my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>my children and friends. But so baseball comes out with

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<v Speaker 1>this golden bat concept where basically you could bryce Harper

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<v Speaker 1>gets an extra at bat every game, or an Aaron Judge.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to use it, but you can in

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<v Speaker 1>a critical situation. And purists are bothered by this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fascinated by what purists are holding on to. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard baseball people say, oh, I'll never watch another

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<v Speaker 1>baseball game, as if Sandy Kofax's historic run is deluded

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<v Speaker 1>by a new golden bat. At that concept in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, it's it's almost like saying it's not perfectly analogous,

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<v Speaker 1>but gay marriage ruins the sanctity of previous marriage. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had a great marriage for forty years, what

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<v Speaker 1>does it have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, I will also say anybody that like, we've

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<v Speaker 2>all come to terms with the guy that most people

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, probably correctly is the greatest baseball player ever

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<v Speaker 2>played at a time when a lot of the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>baseball players ever were not allowed to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>league because they were black or Hispanic. Yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, hey, we know that's part of the record book.

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<v Speaker 2>Try we know, like there's people have an ability. No

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<v Speaker 2>nobody with a brain looks back and it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I checked Terry Bradshaw's stats. Dude sucks. It's like no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I know that's what the record, but like

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<v Speaker 2>those what the numbers are. But we all understand intuitively, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a different era. So if we were to

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<v Speaker 2>have a golden at bat era and it's like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of three home run games out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh yeah, because they change the rules. People

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<v Speaker 2>are smarter than we, like, we give them crush.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I'm asking. We had the cattle steroid era,

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<v Speaker 1>so all the records are power records are meaning us

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody really knows who took it. I mean seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like trying to figure out which rich people chitted

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<v Speaker 1>on their taxes. How about we start with all of them? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like who knows? So my take is, what are purests

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<v Speaker 1>holding onto? Are these forty eight year old men who

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<v Speaker 1>still collect baseball cards? Like the idea? So the sport

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<v Speaker 1>makes two changes both crush, defensive shift eliminated and at pitchclock. Okay, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>So all of a sudden, the defensive shift more base hips. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's messing with the previous six eight years, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing closest to the Golden at bad is

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<v Speaker 2>the ghost runner ghost runner thing which you know in

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<v Speaker 2>made baseball cooler for the regular season. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to put in the playoffs. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are purest holding onto that are outraged by

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<v Speaker 1>a new concept? Well, I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the the I mean, I understand them, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree with them because ultimately, what my one of

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<v Speaker 2>my fundamental beliefs that bothers I think purists. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not even a belief, it's just a fact. Sports are

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<v Speaker 2>simply entertainment product. That's right, That's all it is. We

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<v Speaker 2>are part of the entertainment industry. We are in We

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<v Speaker 2>are fighting for attention and relevance in sports. And there

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<v Speaker 2>is nothing inherently more valuable, moral, ethical important to American

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<v Speaker 2>professional football than American Ultimate frisbee. But one is the

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<v Speaker 2>most valuable television property in the world and the other

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<v Speaker 2>is something the best in the world at almost assuredly

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<v Speaker 2>needs a real job because it doesn't pay the bills.

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<v Speaker 2>So why is that Because people like watching one and

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the other. That's exclusively one. There is

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 2>no other reason. And the idea that you have a

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>birthright to people's attention. Go ask Corse racing, go ask boxing.

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>You don't and so all of these sorts. So here's

0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 2>the real reason I love the Golden A bad idea.

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I like baseball, I love basketball, and I'm worried about basketball.

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I am legitimately worried about the NBA game because they

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>have two massive issues that everyone knows is a problem,

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know that they have the stomach to

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>address them. For the change that's neat one is one

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 2>that's been talked about a ton historically, which is the

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 2>load management, superstars not playing whatever it is. I will

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 2>give a quick anecdote on why that's my thoughts on that,

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 2>then I'll get to the real thing. I was in

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 2>LA for seventy two hours over Thanksgiving because our son

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>lives there and he couldn't.

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>We brought thanks even to him essentially that Friday night.

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Lakers thunder yep, And I'm like, you know what, My

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 2>wife's grandparents are with us. They're ninety one and ninety three.

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:02.479
<v Speaker 2>They love love Lebron had never seen him play, and

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you know, what's the point of making money

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 2>if you don't spend it on stuff like this? So

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:12.719
<v Speaker 2>I bought six tickets, not courtside, but first row behind

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>court side. Not cheap, right, But what it was like,

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a I bought him at noon with full confidence. Well,

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Lebron's gonna play because Lebron plays, you know what I mean?

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Like Lebron did he get hurt last night? Then he's

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>playing like even though he's the oldest guy in the league.

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 2>And if it were any other superstar, I would have

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>when my wife mentioned to me, should we do it?

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I would have said yes, But let's wait until like

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>five o'clock to find out. That's terrible for the business.

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that is getting a lot of attention

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 2>is the NBA's at its core. The NBA's popularity is

0:29:55.240 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>based on is that dude flying? Holy shit? Liked not

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>here's another thirty five footer And strategically, just like the shift,

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>strategically was smart, but from a television product, it was

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>a disaster.

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Everybody looks the same to every game, every possession, every.

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Name looks the same. There's no different styles, there's no anything.

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>And we're minimizing athleticism. Yes, John Moriant goes on the record,

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 2>is like I'm done dunking Anthony Everwards, taking thirteen three

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>is a game. It's clearly a disasters a disaster. And

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 2>so when I say massive changes, what I mean is

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>have a real conversation about hey, dunks are also worth

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>three now?

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Or care what it does for this two suggestions one

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and I said this seven years ago on the air

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and had a graphic take out the corner three. It's

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>impossible to defend.

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay that that agreed. That should be done tomorrow.

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it goes right into the bench you put it,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you moved out of about six inches.

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>A real art.

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Yep, make it a real art. Yes, And so that's

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>just much easier to defend it. You can be on

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>players or this would be my This is something I've

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>thought about as well, and I don't know. I think

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>you could do this is that you get fifteen a game.

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what I said, Yeah, yes, okay, exactly right, whatever

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the number is. That's the other thing I was the

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>fifteen game.

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Offense.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, you can still shoot them after that,

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>but they're worth two. There's Kurt Goldsberry had the idea

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>years ago that I thought was fascinating, which was, you

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>know how baseball stadiums everyone picks their own dimensions. You

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>got a green monster, you got the short portray. Yankee Stadium,

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Royal Stadium is cavernous. Kurt Goldsberry says, each year, every

0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>team draws their three point line, and if you like,

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 2>no and the I and I know that sounds ridiculous,

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>but his point was some teams will be like, we

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>don't have one. Well, that's not who we are. We're

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>building a old school beat you up. You know what

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, big big man style. The the Blazers when

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>they had prime Dame Lillard might have been like ours

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.479
<v Speaker 2>is from thirty seven feet out because we have the

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>one guy who can. And if that were the case,

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 2>you would have you would know, man, I'd better be

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 2>able to play a bunch of different ways, score a

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>bunch of different ways, because shit tonight we're in Oklahoma

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>City and there's no threes whatever. So I don't know

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 2>the exact right answer. What I know is this, if

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the NBA does not make a massive change, it is

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>in huge troubles. Because they have they have still they're

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>still suckling off the teat of lebron Steph kd your

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 2>most pop John.

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Moran and Aunt Edwards do not dunk the one of

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the I mean the Jordan logo. If you really think

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>of even Doctor Jay's highlights today, Connie Hockins when I was.

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>A kid, of course joined it's and the here was

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 2>another question that.

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, let me tell this that this was I said

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>this about the NFL. I said, can you imagine if

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the NFL only allowed the tush push and bombs. There's

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>no intermediates, no bubble screens. It's just power running or bombs.

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>That's the NBA. It's not as a PA.

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the NFL, one year into the

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 2>tush push, it was like, we're looking into banning. Yes,

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't because of safety. It was because that's

0:33:55.800 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>terrible TV. That's bad for our products. It's not excite,

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>it's ugly, and ultimately we're a TV show. And so

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know the answer, but I do

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>know that continuing down this path is disastrous.

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 3>So I.

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Would love it if baseball did something drastic, because then

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I think there is the NBA would look at itself

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 2>hopefully and be like, well, the NFL every year, it's like, hey,

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 2>rule change, figure it out. Hip drop tackle. I'd never

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>heard that term three years ago. Last year it was

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the most dangerous things ever happened in the sport. This

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>year it's gone like defenseless receiver to hit the quarterback low,

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady. Tom Brady blows out his knee. They're like,

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>massive rule change. You now no longer hit the quarterback low.

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't matter. Aaron Rodgers breaks his collar bone. They're like, hey,

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you can't fall on quarterbacks now either. Don't care if

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>you don't like it. Baseball's making changes. The NBA is

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 2>just like, can we interest you in in a new

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>All Star game format? And it's like, bro, that's not

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 2>the issue here. And here's one other NBA question. I

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't I forgot who first posed this, but every since

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I read it, I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Is there

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 2>a single NBA player under thirty that is more famous

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 2>than Caitlin Clark?

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>No, no, there's not. There's not.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 2>That's a problem. That's a problem.

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, are the okay, so this is something that's a problem.

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>So Baseball. I believe I've said this on the air.

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I talked more baseball last year than I ever have,

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and I believe baseball is going to have, let me

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 1>lay this out, is going to have a renaissance.

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And I totally agree with this take.

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>By the way, case I totally number one, because the

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 1>regional sports networks died. The bottom of the sport is

0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>now Triple A Baseball, and they cannot afford even even

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>good players. They can barely afford. So it's getting very

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>top think about that. It's getting very top heavy. That's great.

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Remember networks don't care. They only televise seven teams and

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a thirty percent of the revenue comes from networks. And

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you say, oh, it hurts attendant, But remember when you

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>bring in all star teams, did you see how old

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Tawny Betson Freeman drove road attendance. So now you're going

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to have Lindoor and Sodo driving road attendants, Machado tatists

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>in San Diego, Judge and Stanton. So you get a

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>series of five or six super teams. Well, when the

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Yankees had Jeter and a Rod, they led the league

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>every year in road attendance and their own So my

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>take is the sport's getting insanely the gap now it's

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.280
<v Speaker 1>like the inequity of wealth in America. It's just widening

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 1>and widening. So that's not a terrible thing because what's

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>happening now is the only cities that can afford the

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>big stars New York, La Philly and the richest of owners.

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 1>The San Diego Group has has been able to monetize

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:06.439
<v Speaker 1>some retail outlets and the stadium, and so what's happening is, yes,

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>it'll be dominated by six teams. TV networks don't care.

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>They're almost overwhelmingly either the richest owners or the bigger cities.

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>So I'm looking at the Dodgers and I'm like, do

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I really want the Joey Vado model or the Joe Mauer?

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Will you go to Seattle? And nobody can. They can't

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>afford anybody beyond Robinson Cano. It's a bad product.

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>So at least the.

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Stars now are joining other stars, and people forget this.

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, when Jordan dominated the NBA, there were no

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>other great teams. There were teams that could tackle them

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 1>for several years. But when the Celtics and the Piston's age,

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it was a bunch of Portland's Utahs.

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 2>They were just.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>There was run team. But that team was so enlightening

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and so it was such a star studded team. It

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>drove attendance everywhere they went. Every night it was just

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>it was Sports Center, it was the lead and so

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>my kak is baseball and let me fish. Baseball has

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>this now, they have like all star teams the NBA

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Wemby San Antonio, SJA, Oklahoma, Jokic, Denver, Jannis, Milwaukee, and Minnesota.

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Unlike baseball, they're in the wrong markets.

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the NBA just just last year massively changed

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the rules proactively to make sure super teams can't exist anymore,

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>which mistake. Theoretically right, theoretically you understand it, but ultimately

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>probably a mistake. It gives cheap owners and out like, oh,

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 2>what do you want me to do? Like Dent, what

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Denver has done to Jokicic's prime is they win a

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 2>title and then each year they're like, let's lose this

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>key player. Let's lose that key player, and what do

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 2>you want from us? Poor guy had one hundred and

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>two points, thirty rebounds, sixteen assists over two games. They

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 2>only won one of them. Guy average fifty fifteen and

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 2>eight over two games, one of their losses to the Wizards.

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 2>So that and here's the other reason why I don't

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 2>think it's bad for baseball because even with everything, you

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 2>just said, Baseball still is just random enough that a

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 2>team like the Royals this year got made the playoffs

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 2>one around, stole a game from the Yankees, and it's like,

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 2>there's not going to be You're not gonna feel like,

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>oh you you're oh my season, I can't compete, like

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 2>because the baseball kind of adding variants to the playoffs.

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I went into that Royals Yankees series like, Okay, we

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>have two players who would play for them, but we

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 2>got like a forty percent chance of flipping them. Yeah,

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 2>like you know what I mean. The takes one good

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 2>starting pitching night one night and we could win. So

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't feel like we were dead. And so yeah,

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I found baseball this year. We talked more baseball on

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.399
<v Speaker 2>the show than ever before. Now that was a very

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>low bar because our previous high was zero. However, still

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 2>but still like it was. It's not like it was

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 2>forced on us. It was exciting. It's like, yo, we

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>have judged Verstani and the damn World Series like this

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>is dope. And so I agree with you. And that's

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:30.240
<v Speaker 2>another reason the NBA should be worried, Like and I

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, I have my concerns about whether

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:39.479
<v Speaker 2>or not Adam Silver is a wartime consuliari or even

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.359
<v Speaker 2>knows there's a war going on. And I think he's

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>super sharp and a lot of things and the right

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>man for a lot of jobs. But right now, I

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 2>think you have to be willing to say we actively

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the record book because the other if

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to one other thing. And I've said this

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 2>for literally I said it for the first time at

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 2>the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference seven years ago because I

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 2>saw the strength coming down the tracks. Because I'm like

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>my buddy Daryl Morey, I think is the smartest guy

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.879
<v Speaker 2>in the league, and he clearly believes we should only

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 2>shoot threes, free throws and layups. So eventually everyone's gonna

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>think this, and then what's it going to do? And

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.400
<v Speaker 2>my solution then, in my solution now is if you

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 2>want to change nothing about the rules of the sport,

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:32.799
<v Speaker 2>then all you have to do is say it's not

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 2>threes and twos, it's fours and threes because now it's

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>only a thirty three percent premium. Now you know what

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean? All those things. But there's two reasons they

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 2>won't do that. One is people can't do math. People

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 2>were like what the fuck like AD four And the

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 2>other reason is it would ruin the record books. But

0:41:54.880 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 2>you can't be worried about the record books and paralyzed

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>by them.

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And it's insane.

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 2>It's insane, especially when like, hey man, if your Hall

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 2>of Fame doesn't have Barry Bonds in it, like, what's

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 2>the museum you're protecting anyway? Does it?

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, I agree with you.

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0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>years and years and for years and years, you know,

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.720
<v Speaker 1>everybody howled that we needed to pay the college football players,

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and because their careers are shorter than baseball and basketball

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and hockey players. I agree, like, let's pay these guys,

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and we have, and a lot of people don't like it.

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm never watching the game again, but the ratings go up.

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Protesters by and large have very little influence and are

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 1>just throwing temper tantrums. Right. So, but I was going

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to throw this out there the other day. It is

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of remarkable now that college football. Pro football has

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>a salary cap, right. Pro football has times that you

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 1>can lead transfer slash go to free agency. College has neither.

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 1>So the trains completely got off the tracks. So with

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the nil, my take is, listen, Texas can spend thirty,

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Purdue can spend two. Let's say that the cap and

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Purdue will never get to it, but make the cap seventeen.

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise it's gonna become baseball in HGH, like you're not

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>even Produe's gonna have no elite players. Texas will have

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight. And there's always been an imbalance in college football.

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 1>But let's put up some guard rail so all the

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>kids get paid, but the but the you know, let's

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 1>just say eighteen because some schools now have broken through

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the twenty they're getting close to twenty eight and thirty and.

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.720
<v Speaker 2>And well, hell BYU basketball just paid a kid seven

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 2>million bucks. It's I mean, so, here's so I have

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 2>a different Here's the question I have. Are we approaching

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 2>a time where none, where there is? What's the good

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.320
<v Speaker 2>example for this? Not Ashton genty he's gonna be a

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 2>top ten pick. If you are, you're like, hey, I'm

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 2>the second best running back in college football. Stay there,

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I've checked my draft profile. Question they say I'm a

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 2>second third round pick. Well, let me check those contracts.

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 2>That's six hundred grand a year. Well that's crazy because

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 2>nil at Michigan will pay me three million for real,

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Because running back in college football, you're still a star,

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 2>like you're the like, so are there going to be?

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>It won't happen with quarterbacks that are you know, and

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I obviously like, but where guys that aren't. And by

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.399
<v Speaker 2>the way, I don't know that that's bad. That might

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 2>be really good saying. It'll be a fascinating thing. I

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 2>think where guys who are like, wait, I can make

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 2>more money staying in college.

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 1>It will fortify college football because it's already happening now.

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Because I've talked to coaches who have said, this is

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a discussion point for running backs. We can pay a

0:45:55.640 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>three forty, you can make two eighty and you and

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 1>you're not by the way, you're not a twelve year

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>NFL player, but you can be a legend at Blank University.

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And so it's happen. It's happening right now, and I

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>think it actually benefits college football. You're gonna keep more players.

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 1>It may be two players a roster, but if you're

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 1>like a top receiver to school at Tulsa and you're

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a six round pick and Tulsa's like, we'll pay you

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred thousand dollars, well, you're ye making your in

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 1>pro football.

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 2>And not guaranteed and they're not cares, not guaranteed contracts.

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I do think there's going to be real. I

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 2>think it'll be fascinating when a player who is considered like,

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 2>oh wait, that guy, he's the number one safety in

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.760
<v Speaker 2>the draft, and the people are like, okay, he's gonna

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.040
<v Speaker 2>go late first, early second, and he's like, all right,

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.239
<v Speaker 2>well I can wait on that. I'm you know what

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm gonna here. And again, I don't think

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 2>that's bad. To be very clear, I just think it's

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:10.719
<v Speaker 2>a fascinating dynamic. I also so I I wish I

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 2>had the the kid's name, but I did see a video.

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 2>There was the first time I started to feel actually

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 2>like uneasy about the nil stuff was there was a

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 2>kid in this latest signing class who I'm gonna get it.

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get the proper nowns wrong, but just follow

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.240
<v Speaker 2>me on it. Let's for the sake of argument, say

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 2>he signed with Georgia and at the announcement he made

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:43.919
<v Speaker 2>it very clear he was sad, and he was like, yeah,

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I never thought I'd go be going here

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.800
<v Speaker 2>my whole life. You know, I dreamed of playing at LSU.

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 2>What And again I might have the George LSU part wrong,

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>but school a school beat. And then when I looked

0:47:55.000 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 2>it up LSU and this offered him a scholarship. It

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 2>is a five star kid, but it was purely like

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 2>And what made me feel bad was I was like,

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was he making this decision or were like the adults

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and his family pressuring him? But it was clearly this

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 2>place offered more money, So I felt like I had

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.399
<v Speaker 2>to go there. And I was like, oh, that kind

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>of sucks, you know what I mean, Like you always

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 2>dreamt of playing for this college. You're seventeen years old,

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, well, this place is offering me two million,

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 2>and this place offering me three million, and my family

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>is probably right, Like I can't turn down a million dollars,

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 2>so I guess I'll go here. And that part of

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.919
<v Speaker 2>it did make it feel like, uh, that's not perfect. No,

0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Like this isn't the this isn't perfect. It's better than

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 2>to me than it was. This is better than the

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.440
<v Speaker 2>kids getting no money and everyone else getting rich. But

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 2>we haven't quite found homeostasis here yet. Not the right

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>way to do it.

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just the duality of everything with more money, more money,

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 1>more problems. You're this idea that there was this ball halla,

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 1>there was this perfect landing spot. It does not exist.

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you something that's fascinating. Here's something I talked.

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I led my show with us today and unfortunately, I'm

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 1>sure you probably didn't have time for it. You used

0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 1>to listen religiously, but those days are over. But the

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.239
<v Speaker 1>point being, no, I that's true. So I led with

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:22.720
<v Speaker 1>this today. Deebo Samuel Brock pretty comes out and says

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I love Debo and we'll get in the

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>ball more. And I thought, oh, okay, so a year ago,

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:32.720
<v Speaker 1>nine months ago, running backs are dead in this league.

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.880
<v Speaker 1>The top five running teams now in the league are

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>all playoff teams. The top six receivers receiving yards, six

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>of the top ten round losing teams. And so it's

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 1>it's DeVante Adams cryptic messages. Jamar Chase is noisy, it's

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 1>elite neighbors. It's Deebo Samuel, it's Deontay Johnson, it's George Pickens.

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.759
<v Speaker 2>So it's even Aj Brown, by the way, on a

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:01.360
<v Speaker 2>good team. Everything was fine, and then he's like, I'm.

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Pissed, and I said it's not fine, And I said,

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 1>we gave receivers for about two years the keys to

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the kingdom. But they are sports cars. They don't work

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>well in the winner. You can't really drive them seven

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>days a week. And running back this is you've loved

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>this take and running backs no, no, no, they're the suv

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>year round, grocery, soccer practice date all weather. Actually always

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>elevate the quarterback, always young quarterback, old quarterback. They're also great.

0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 1>They help you take leads and eat the clock and

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:40.280
<v Speaker 1>help you protect them. The receivers, don't they all block

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>or they don't play. They're the grinders. They're the most

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:47.319
<v Speaker 1>running back Saquon Barkley, I want the ball more, but

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm sacrificing for the team. They never you never hear

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a running back complaining we're throwing it too much to

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the star receiver. And it's a classic example is that

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>we gave it's the NBA position of NFL wide receiver

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 1>rakes the huddle first, he's on his own. We gave

0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.239
<v Speaker 1>you the keys for like two years. We immediately had

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.759
<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver Bubble Chiefs win without Tyreek Hill. You

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>can argue they can spend money on defense. They're just

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a much better team now, more complete team. And in

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the end, it goes back nine months ago we lamented

0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the future of running backs. It is now in one

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 1>season Baltimore, Detroit, Green Bay, Washington. Here comes Isaiah Pacheco,

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:28.879
<v Speaker 1>the Rams, Kiren wioms it is a running back quarterback

0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:30.919
<v Speaker 1>league again in nine months.

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>So so that was and I didn't see it coming

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 2>this quickly up. But what I did wonder was I

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.880
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, one of the things that happened to

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:48.439
<v Speaker 2>running backs was yes, the game changed, but the other

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just that the game changed. It wasn't just

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>your position isn't as valuable. It was there's too many

0:51:55.680 --> 0:52:01.120
<v Speaker 2>B minuses, meaning like there you could seemingly find a

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 2>not great but a good running back anywhere, practice squad,

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 2>seventh round, undrafted free agent like. And the reason for

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 2>that was very obvious, which is our whole lives the

0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>best athlete at seven years old? Where'd they put them?

0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Running back?

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 2>If it wasn't the quarter like it was like, oh,

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.759
<v Speaker 2>you're the best player on the team. We're gonna if

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.239
<v Speaker 2>we're if you're either gonna be a dual threat quarterback

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 2>or the running back, because we're going to hand you

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the ball a bunch. So in high school and college

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:37.320
<v Speaker 2>there were just too many good ones, which means seems like, okay,

0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I could pay X for a great one or basically

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:44.239
<v Speaker 2>nothing for a good one, so I'll do that. And

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:50.120
<v Speaker 2>what I wondered aloud was are we about to see

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:54.359
<v Speaker 2>in a few years the same thing happened to receivers,

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 2>because now if you're a great athlete as a kid,

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:01.720
<v Speaker 2>they're putting you at receiving It is seven on seven

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.680
<v Speaker 2>every damn year in the draft. This year there were

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 2>ten receivers taken in the first forty picks. And then

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 2>when we're like hold on that, everybody thinks there are

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:18.879
<v Speaker 2>twenty five top ten receivers, Like if you really put

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 2>pencil to paper and it's like, okay, is he a

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 2>top ten receiver? Well, I don't know, man, because the

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Garrett Wilson thinks he is, DeVante Adams thinks he is,

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Tyreek Hill thinks he is, Jayleen Waddle thinks he is.

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:33.239
<v Speaker 2>There's four just in the AFC East, and you keep

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>going is Terry mclaurins, Nico Collins Is, Deebo Samuels, Brandon

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 2>ayuk Is and I've mentioned Tyreek Hill, Jamar Chase AJ Brown,

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 2>CD lamb a Mon Like there's all of these, it's like,

0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 2>well they're thirty million a person. But Brian Thomas Junior

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:53.399
<v Speaker 2>was the fourth receiver taken, So like, is there going

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:58.400
<v Speaker 2>to be the same type of correction where teams are like, no,

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm not paying thirty million for RECEI there's six more

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 2>great ones coming out in the draft, Like I'm just

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 2>not doing it right. So I saw that, I wondered

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.959
<v Speaker 2>if that was happening. I still think that's probably going

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:15.320
<v Speaker 2>to happen. The other thing that has happened this season

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 2>is and maybe I'm maybe this is just because I

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:24.480
<v Speaker 2>turned forty and I instantly developed old man opinions. But

0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Malik Neighbors being a diva receiver as a rookie, yea infuriated. Yeah, no,

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 2>it's too much, and like in a way, it's too much, man,

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>say like, listen, I get that's there's been a we're

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.000
<v Speaker 2>allowed to be divas, so we kind of lean into

0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:44.280
<v Speaker 2>it from the position. Got it, so be it no problem.

0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 2>But t O and o Jo Sinko were not pains

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<v Speaker 2>in the ass their first year in the league. We're

0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.680
<v Speaker 2>gat they weren't like they were great, and then they

0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:58.600
<v Speaker 2>and then they developed over three or four or five years. Yes,

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 2>once they had else on the wall, I see, I'm like, man, everywhere,

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:07.120
<v Speaker 2>I look like George Pickens, an awesome player, huge pain

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:12.320
<v Speaker 2>in the ass from day one. Pick Malik Neighbors. It

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:15.800
<v Speaker 2>took him eight games before he's like, why didn't I

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.320
<v Speaker 2>get the ball to or down thirty? Nothing? It's like, buddy,

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 2>you're the best player on the team. I get it,

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 2>but you it's too early for this, it's too early,

0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 2>and so the and then the AJ Brown thing really

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 2>irritated me on a just a team level. It's like, man,

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 2>there there was nothing wrong. Everything. You guys are on

0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:45.439
<v Speaker 2>a ten game winning streak, you're you guys are undefeated

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 2>when you playing there Seemingly everything's all good. The only

0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 2>public narrative should be, man, Sakuon Barkley's gonna spreak, Eric

0:55:57.000 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Dickerson's record, and our defense is better than you idiots

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.439
<v Speaker 2>thought it would be. And then privately, if you want

0:56:03.440 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 2>to be like god, damn it, so be it. But

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:13.720
<v Speaker 2>it's that was like AJ Brown, you're on your third contract, Yeah,

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 2>you just got paid again. What are we doing?

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Here's what his issue is. He was overshadowed by a

0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 1>star running back in Tennessee, Derrick Henry, and he's overshadowed

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.439
<v Speaker 1>again with a star running back. No great receiver has

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 1>been overshadowed in his prime by the two best receivers

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 1>over the last six years in the league. He's the guy.

0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:40.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's interesting. I didn't even think about that.

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:44.360
<v Speaker 1>He's so he keeps going to places going timeout. I

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.360
<v Speaker 1>get a good quarterback, not a great one. Tannehill Jalen,

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm the best player on the team and both become

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.600
<v Speaker 1>run centric. What are you doing to my career?

0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 2>You right, but the but the but here's the here's

0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 2>the thing about that. But you keep getting paid any like,

0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you keep getting top of the market.

0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Deal well, and but money every time. You know, I'm

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:10.640
<v Speaker 1>not gonna speak for anybody, but when people get raises,

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it's good for about three checks and then you're like,

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I want the respect. Guys are driven much more more

0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>respect than they are money.

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I know that part. I totally agree with I the

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and I agree with you the whenever, like somebody loses

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:29.200
<v Speaker 2>a job or whatever and the reaction on Twitter is

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 2>either still getting paid or whatever. I disagree with that

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 2>because for someone who has been a j in it,

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.760
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna sound like I'm contradicting myself. But I'll come around.

0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>He's been He's not newly rich. He's been rich long

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 2>enough that that's his normal. Yeah, so the money doesn't

0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 2>really solve things. The point I'm making is I would

0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>understand it a little bit more if you were in

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a contract year. If it's like, yo, you're costing me

0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 2>much because but the Eagles preemptively paid him this offseason early.

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And one of the reasons I would think you do

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 2>that is to stave this all right, Like, hey, no

0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:13.120
<v Speaker 2>matter how we have to run the team, you're gonna

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:15.800
<v Speaker 2>know you've been taken care of. So even if this

0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:19.000
<v Speaker 2>year your numbers are down, it's not costing you anything

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 2>because we just paid you. So that's the reason I

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.760
<v Speaker 2>brought it up, Like I do get why guys who

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 2>are in contract years are like yo, no.

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean aj bra number is being selfish. Because also

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the NFL record book nobody cares. It's not like baseball.

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 1>It really isn't. Nobody cares about the NFL record but

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 1>we know Brady and Jerry, Rice and Montana and Mahomes

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:39.880
<v Speaker 1>are all over it, like and Breeze. So like a

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver, like, listen, we know you're great. If you

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>get paid and you win a ring, it kind of

0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 1>solves everything.

0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Well that's and also like if there's anyone on the like,

0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 2>could you imagine and this is to your point if

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:57.080
<v Speaker 2>after this last game, Saquan out of nowhere in the

0:58:57.080 --> 0:59:01.439
<v Speaker 2>locker room was like, yeah, I mean, listen, everything's great,

0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>but I'm really sick of jail and sniping my touchdown,

0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I should have ten more Like, how about we call

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:13.280
<v Speaker 2>a handoff at the one instead of the Toushbush people

0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>would be like that, you laugh because it's laughable to

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:19.400
<v Speaker 2>think of him doing it.

0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:22.160
<v Speaker 1>But it's but we're used to receivers being ridiculous.

0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 2>We're totally used to it, one hundred percent used to it,

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:30.400
<v Speaker 2>like the yeah, I mean, I don't, I can't. I

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 2>can't even bad ones Kadarius Tony, this dope, he's bounced.

0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 2>He just wants to He barely got on the field

0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:42.919
<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland Fair caught a punt and taunted a guy.

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:46.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like you just have it in your DNA, like

0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 2>you just have It's it's unbelievable.

0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 1>So this is we got into a point. This was

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a topic on the show that was fascinating and and

0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I've always said in the in my industry I work in,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to use all the levers in

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<v Speaker 1>the control room, but I do know the words I

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<v Speaker 1>can't say on the air. I understand the bible of

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<v Speaker 1>my business. And I also have an understanding, having worked

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<v Speaker 1>for ESPN and Fox, not to go after commissioners personally,

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<v Speaker 1>although I can criticize them and have criticized all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certain things I know. I don't expect football

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<v Speaker 1>players to know all the rules, but I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>three that drive me crazy. So the Cowboys block upon

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<v Speaker 1>against Cincinnati. And when a punt is blocked and goes

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<v Speaker 1>past the line of scrimmage, it's a punt. You treat

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<v Speaker 1>it like a punt. Do you blame the player or

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<v Speaker 1>the special teams coach? Because special teams players are often

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<v Speaker 1>guys who are inserted late. They actually play.

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<v Speaker 2>That guy who was that guy who did it? It was

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<v Speaker 2>his first NFL game?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. You often are like a backup corner. You just

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<v Speaker 1>got off the field. Now you're special teams. You're worrying

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<v Speaker 1>about your assignments here, not your assignment's there. So the

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<v Speaker 1>other things that drive me crazy are Tyreek Hill. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen this a few times when you do the often

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<v Speaker 1>used dolphin backwards pass like the bubble screen, and they

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<v Speaker 1>and the ball skips and they don't pounce on it.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't understand it's a live ball. The other one

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<v Speaker 1>is when a receiver catches a ball downfield and the

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<v Speaker 1>dB moves past him, doesn't touch him, and people forget

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<v Speaker 1>you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Touch Okay, yeah, well that's a college football relic.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, yeah, So there's those are men, so all

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<v Speaker 1>three of these and I'm not a rule breaker, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm more of a rule follower. It drives me

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<v Speaker 1>crazy when you don't know the basics of the game. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Shanahan apparently forgot or didn't advise his team on

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl overtime rule, which Andy Reid did. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a coaching gaff. But let me ask you, do you

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<v Speaker 1>blame the coach or the player when a rule that

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<v Speaker 1>can change possessions outcomes so players don't know it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll go through each of your examples. The backwards

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<v Speaker 2>pass thing, I I think that play being such a

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<v Speaker 2>prominent piece of so many teams playbook is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the dumbest things that exists in sports. Like if if

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<v Speaker 2>it's there because you're playing as a trick play double pass, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so be it. But if that is just a swing

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<v Speaker 2>pass to not coach your guys, Hey guys, this must

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<v Speaker 2>be executed forward is baffling because it's you're gaining that

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<v Speaker 2>you gain nothing strategically from it. That the yard difference

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<v Speaker 2>between it being lateral or backwards versus forward, but the

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<v Speaker 2>risk is, oh, you could just pick it up an

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<v Speaker 2>run for a touchdown versus it being an incomplete pass.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, guys should pounce on it, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>think it's crazy when they don't. Also, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why so many teams love that stupid you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>for pre wheel route backwards pass, like what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>That can end in disaster? I hate it. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of the little shovel pass in front of you,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, oh, even if you drop it, it looks like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Fumble, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the opposite of that, right, So that's first one.

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<v Speaker 2>The not touching guys when they're down is to me

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<v Speaker 2>not a coaching thing. That is purely on the players.

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<v Speaker 2>Like everyone knows once you get to the NFL you

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<v Speaker 2>got to touch them. Sometimes guys, it almost seems like

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<v Speaker 2>a void, like try to avoid hitting the guy, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's bizarre. The Cowboys thing on.

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<v Speaker 1>The punt special teams are queer, they're quirky, they're different.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's where I will blame the coach I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if you member the Cowboys, who were they playing?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the it was one of the games they won.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the insane game. They almost blew and they

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<v Speaker 2>they it went back and forth. Is that was it Washing?

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<v Speaker 2>It was Washington. They give up the hail Mary short

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<v Speaker 2>hail Mary, but then set whatever it is if you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>on sidekick, they recover it and instead of going down,

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<v Speaker 2>run thirty yards for a touchdown, which then gave Washington

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<v Speaker 2>the ball down eight and a chance to actually beat them.

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<v Speaker 2>When that happened, the coaches were celebrating, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, are that guy who God love him? That

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<v Speaker 2>was the wrong play. You were up one, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>minute left. When you recover that on sidekick, you go

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<v Speaker 2>down and the the game is over. You recovered it, scored.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we got to go back on defense. And Washington

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<v Speaker 2>almost beat him because of it. But the coach is

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<v Speaker 2>all celebrated. You saw it on the sideline, So what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell do you expect. Two weeks later, a different

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<v Speaker 2>special teams guy sees a bouncing ball and seemingly open air,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna scoop this and go score. That's coaching. That

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<v Speaker 2>to me is coaching like. And so I don't blame

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<v Speaker 2>that kid nearly as much as I blame the coaches

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<v Speaker 2>in that spot, especially because this is an old man

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<v Speaker 2>genie line. Don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't ignore

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<v Speaker 2>in defeat. Like I don't believe that the kid who

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<v Speaker 2>recovered the on side kick and scored instead of going

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<v Speaker 2>down got, you know, in trouble for it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he got out of boys for it, which then it

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<v Speaker 2>signals to the team, Hey, even if it's the wrong play,

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<v Speaker 2>if I make it right, it's fine. And that's like

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite the Belichick thing of guys who if they

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<v Speaker 2>reached for the pylon, even if it was successful, got

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble, yeah, because it was like the risk reward

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<v Speaker 2>here is not right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of football axioms and truths are

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<v Speaker 1>parenting that if my kids does something dangerous and survives,

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<v Speaker 1>I still I still offer wisdom and will punish him.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you could have been really hurt. Many of the

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<v Speaker 1>truths and parenting are truths and coaching, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>treat you know, that's right, right, Be respectful, right right,

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<v Speaker 1>Be nice to others. Treat others like you'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>be treated, Be coachable, don't cheat.

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<v Speaker 2>Try to learn wherever you can, like, respect people who've

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<v Speaker 2>been there before, and see what wisdom they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I use sports. I bet I once a day.

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<v Speaker 1>I will use sports athletes as examples in my business

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<v Speaker 1>life and my broadcasting career. I use it all the

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<v Speaker 1>time with my kids. One of the things I've always said,

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<v Speaker 1>I told my daughter this once. I said, Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>was the best player, had the best marketing commissioner loved him,

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<v Speaker 1>had the best coach, was the best looking, was the

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<v Speaker 1>most stylish, And watched the documentary. It was hard. It

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<v Speaker 1>was incredibly difficult. That's for the most gifted, with a

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<v Speaker 1>commissioner that loved him, Nike one hundred years ahead of everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>the best agent. He still had an owner, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a GM, he had Goofy, Dennis Rodman, he had teammates

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<v Speaker 1>that were did not play to his liking. And I

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<v Speaker 1>use this all the time in life. There's a reason

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<v Speaker 1>there's like one Elon Musk and there's a reason, like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason for Trump success. He's just a goddamn fighter.

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<v Speaker 2>Like him or not.

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<v Speaker 1>He just doesn't sleep, he doesn't make it. He's never vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never had a vacation day Like life is hard

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the great maybe the greatest asset any

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<v Speaker 1>of us can have. It's not education. It's relentlessness. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that it is not linear for Jordan, it's not it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't linear for Brady. Maybe you look at Brady and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like the best coach, the best own. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's and we're seeing now some pushback on how much

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<v Speaker 1>academics matter. They obviously matter, and they can separate people,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is a relentlessness. A lot of people from

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<v Speaker 1>Harbord don't succeed, and a lot of people from eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Washington have great lives, right, And I and I and

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<v Speaker 1>I so I think, I use, I use I think

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<v Speaker 1>about how much of parenting is sports and how much

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<v Speaker 1>of sports is life. And I use them and I

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<v Speaker 1>use the Jordan documentary with my kids multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and the other thing with the Jordan documentary is

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<v Speaker 2>like it no matter no matter how much success money fame.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan was at peak success money fame, and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three was so seemingly kind of lost, sad and

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<v Speaker 2>miserable that he quit his sport to go do something insane,

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<v Speaker 2>which was like the lesson for me on that is

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<v Speaker 2>like and now he had dealt with a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his father was murdered and he was dealing with a

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<v Speaker 2>personal tragedy, real stuff, and I think there were. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you in that documentary, a modern Shad tells us

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking about doing that before his dad got murdered,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he was already. So the one of the

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<v Speaker 2>lessons for me on that is, like, man, this some

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<v Speaker 2>some of the professional stuff or other stuff. If you

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<v Speaker 2>have a hole in you or are missing something or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not gonna fill it. Like the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>fix your issues or to you know, feel joy or

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<v Speaker 2>good about things, whatever, is to really look at why

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to do it. And so the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that you can achieve your way out of your own stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you just can't. Because how many of like the use

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<v Speaker 2>the Jordan documentary like he is and he I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think ever got there like that. People look at that

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Hall of Fame speech, it's like the ultimate Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan thing, and I look at it as one of

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<v Speaker 2>the saddest things in sports, Like this is the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who at the time was universally, unambiguously accepted as the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest ever maybe the most famous person in the world

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<v Speaker 2>at the times, like him, the Pope whoever the press

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<v Speaker 2>like the very very short list, infinite, endless money, and

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<v Speaker 2>at his final real public appearance as a basketball player,

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<v Speaker 2>he just was a vindictive asshole because whatever whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>was in him that fueled him, but that also was

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<v Speaker 2>real hurt or pain he never addressed. Yeah, right or

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<v Speaker 2>I and I don't even know if I agree it's

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<v Speaker 2>not solvable. I don't think he ever tried to solve it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like the and then like so you see

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<v Speaker 2>these things and you're like, man, like that ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do it for you, like if Michael Jordan ain't doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have it, Like that's not gonna And so I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned you mentioned Trump. Trump wealthy beyond anyone's wildest imaginations,

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<v Speaker 2>did everything that you know, he was always wanted to,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, kind of prove his dad wrong, did all that,

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<v Speaker 2>then became president and just pissed all the time, just

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<v Speaker 2>just like nobody's got it worse than me, everyone's else.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be seeming like legit seemingly miserable, like it

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<v Speaker 2>just like and so whatever, like some of it's if

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<v Speaker 2>you got if you need to deal with something and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't like it, and still it doesn't go away. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what you achieve, it's still sitting there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>still sitting there waiting for you at the end of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, like that is that? That is? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>The Jordan doc really crystallized that. When you saw it,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, man, I don't think this dude's happy. He's rich,

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<v Speaker 2>he's famous, he's Michael Jordan doesn't seem happy and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't during the process.

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<v Speaker 1>So or whatever that's worth Nick, right, perfect. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like to great exhaust every idea because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get you more regularly. But your your career is bit

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<v Speaker 1>between poker and your career and your podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of poker, going to the Atlantis Resort and Casino

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<v Speaker 2>in the Bahamas for thirty six hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's no vacation, it's they're the biggest poker turn

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<v Speaker 2>in the world's going on down there. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>there Friday or Saturday morning, coming back Sunday. Take Oh

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<v Speaker 2>it's not you know, I'll share this with you and

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<v Speaker 2>the audience not actually playing. It's you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a potential partnership meeting that I'm having down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So so doing that for you. Yes, but uh but

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah. So the poker stuff's going good, show's going good.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss you and we'll do this more often, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure of it. I'll talk to you soon, brother.

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<v Speaker 1>The Volume