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Speaker 1: Nick Wright, my buddy at FS one. We should say this.

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Speaker 1: This just broke before we did this twenty minutes before.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick three years, thirty million dollars will now coach

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. I've said before he won forty four percent

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you obviously know the college game better

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Speaker 2: I my instant reaction was not really about how good

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Speaker 2: shocking this is. And this is like, to me, at least,

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Speaker 2: this is shocking. I Colin, eleven months ago, you and

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Speaker 2: the following playoff teams, double digit win teams fire their

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Speaker 2: and now because I think he's yes, he's taking this

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Speaker 2: I assumed last year there would be a fight for

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Speaker 1: And so who had been fired? That to me is

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Speaker 2: Right? That to me is shocking. And you know, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the message for me in this Belichick

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Speaker 2: So so let me so I do at some point

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Speaker 3: The ending sucks, like the the I the I thought

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Speaker 2: great ending you brought up, Bobby Knight. I you know,

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Speaker 1: Carson Productions. That's why I created the volume. I will

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Speaker 2: I think it was not on the board for Bill

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's stunning. It's really stunning. And and I

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Speaker 2: Inside Carolina dot Com is just as wrong as they

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Speaker 2: at two ninety six, Shola is at three forty seven.

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Speaker 2: What you know? What I mean? Why does that matter

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Speaker 1: makes two changes both crush, defensive shift eliminated and at pitchclock. Okay, yep,

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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, the defensive shift more base hips. Well,

430
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Speaker 1: that's messing with the previous six eight years, right.

431
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Speaker 2: And the thing closest to the Golden at bad is

432
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: the ghost runner ghost runner thing which you know in

433
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: made baseball cooler for the regular season. You don't want

434
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: to put in the playoffs. That's fine.

435
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: So what are purest holding onto that are outraged by

436
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Speaker 1: a new concept? Well, I don't understand.

437
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Speaker 2: I'm not the the I mean, I understand them, I

438
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: don't agree with them because ultimately, what my one of

439
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: my fundamental beliefs that bothers I think purists. But it's

440
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: not even a belief, it's just a fact. Sports are

441
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: simply entertainment product. That's right, That's all it is. We

442
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: are part of the entertainment industry. We are in We

443
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: are fighting for attention and relevance in sports. And there

444
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: is nothing inherently more valuable, moral, ethical important to American

445
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: professional football than American Ultimate frisbee. But one is the

446
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: most valuable television property in the world and the other

447
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: is something the best in the world at almost assuredly

448
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: needs a real job because it doesn't pay the bills.

449
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: So why is that Because people like watching one and

450
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: don't care about the other. That's exclusively one. There is

451
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: no other reason. And the idea that you have a

452
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: birthright to people's attention. Go ask Corse racing, go ask boxing.

453
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: You don't and so all of these sorts. So here's

454
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: the real reason I love the Golden A bad idea.

455
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: I like baseball, I love basketball, and I'm worried about basketball.

456
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: I am legitimately worried about the NBA game because they

457
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: have two massive issues that everyone knows is a problem,

458
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: and I don't know that they have the stomach to

459
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: address them. For the change that's neat one is one

460
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: that's been talked about a ton historically, which is the

461
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: load management, superstars not playing whatever it is. I will

462
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Speaker 2: give a quick anecdote on why that's my thoughts on that,

463
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: then I'll get to the real thing. I was in

464
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: LA for seventy two hours over Thanksgiving because our son

465
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Speaker 2: lives there and he couldn't.

466
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Speaker 1: We brought thanks even to him essentially that Friday night.

467
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: Lakers thunder yep, And I'm like, you know what, My

468
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: wife's grandparents are with us. They're ninety one and ninety three.

469
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: They love love Lebron had never seen him play, and

470
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, what's the point of making money

471
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: if you don't spend it on stuff like this? So

472
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 2: I bought six tickets, not courtside, but first row behind

473
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: court side. Not cheap, right, But what it was like,

474
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: it's a I bought him at noon with full confidence. Well,

475
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: Lebron's gonna play because Lebron plays, you know what I mean?

476
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: Like Lebron did he get hurt last night? Then he's

477
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: playing like even though he's the oldest guy in the league.

478
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: And if it were any other superstar, I would have

479
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: when my wife mentioned to me, should we do it?

480
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: I would have said yes, But let's wait until like

481
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: five o'clock to find out. That's terrible for the business.

482
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Speaker 2: The other thing that is getting a lot of attention

483
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Speaker 2: is the NBA's at its core. The NBA's popularity is

484
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Speaker 2: based on is that dude flying? Holy shit? Liked not

485
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Speaker 2: here's another thirty five footer And strategically, just like the shift,

486
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: strategically was smart, but from a television product, it was

487
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Speaker 2: a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Everybody looks the same to every game, every possession, every.

489
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Speaker 2: Name looks the same. There's no different styles, there's no anything.

490
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Speaker 2: And we're minimizing athleticism. Yes, John Moriant goes on the record,

491
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Speaker 2: is like I'm done dunking Anthony Everwards, taking thirteen three

492
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: is a game. It's clearly a disasters a disaster. And

493
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Speaker 2: so when I say massive changes, what I mean is

494
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: have a real conversation about hey, dunks are also worth

495
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: three now?

496
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Speaker 1: Or care what it does for this two suggestions one

497
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Speaker 1: and I said this seven years ago on the air

498
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Speaker 1: and had a graphic take out the corner three. It's

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Speaker 1: impossible to defend.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay that that agreed. That should be done tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it goes right into the bench you put it,

502
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Speaker 1: you moved out of about six inches.

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Speaker 2: A real art.

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Speaker 1: Yep, make it a real art. Yes, And so that's

505
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: just much easier to defend it. You can be on

506
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Speaker 1: players or this would be my This is something I've

507
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: thought about as well, and I don't know. I think

508
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Speaker 1: you could do this is that you get fifteen a game.

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Speaker 2: That's what I said, Yeah, yes, okay, exactly right, whatever

510
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Speaker 2: the number is. That's the other thing I was the

511
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Speaker 2: fifteen game.

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Speaker 1: Offense.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you can still shoot them after that,

514
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: but they're worth two. There's Kurt Goldsberry had the idea

515
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: years ago that I thought was fascinating, which was, you

516
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: know how baseball stadiums everyone picks their own dimensions. You

517
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: got a green monster, you got the short portray. Yankee Stadium,

518
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: Royal Stadium is cavernous. Kurt Goldsberry says, each year, every

519
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Speaker 2: team draws their three point line, and if you like,

520
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: no and the I and I know that sounds ridiculous,

521
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: but his point was some teams will be like, we

522
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: don't have one. Well, that's not who we are. We're

523
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Speaker 2: building a old school beat you up. You know what

524
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean, big big man style. The the Blazers when

525
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: they had prime Dame Lillard might have been like ours

526
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 2: is from thirty seven feet out because we have the

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Speaker 2: one guy who can. And if that were the case,

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Speaker 2: you would have you would know, man, I'd better be

529
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Speaker 2: able to play a bunch of different ways, score a

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Speaker 2: bunch of different ways, because shit tonight we're in Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: City and there's no threes whatever. So I don't know

532
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: the exact right answer. What I know is this, if

533
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Speaker 2: the NBA does not make a massive change, it is

534
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: in huge troubles. Because they have they have still they're

535
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: still suckling off the teat of lebron Steph kd your

536
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Speaker 2: most pop John.

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Speaker 1: Moran and Aunt Edwards do not dunk the one of

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Speaker 1: the I mean the Jordan logo. If you really think

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Speaker 1: of even Doctor Jay's highlights today, Connie Hockins when I was.

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Speaker 2: A kid, of course joined it's and the here was

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Speaker 2: another question that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let me tell this that this was I said

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Speaker 1: this about the NFL. I said, can you imagine if

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Speaker 1: the NFL only allowed the tush push and bombs. There's

545
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: no intermediates, no bubble screens. It's just power running or bombs.

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Speaker 1: That's the NBA. It's not as a PA.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the NFL, one year into the

548
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Speaker 2: tush push, it was like, we're looking into banning. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't because of safety. It was because that's

550
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Speaker 2: terrible TV. That's bad for our products. It's not excite,

551
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: it's ugly, and ultimately we're a TV show. And so

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know the answer, but I do

553
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: know that continuing down this path is disastrous.

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00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: So I.

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00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: Would love it if baseball did something drastic, because then

556
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Speaker 2: I think there is the NBA would look at itself

557
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: hopefully and be like, well, the NFL every year, it's like, hey,

558
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: rule change, figure it out. Hip drop tackle. I'd never

559
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: heard that term three years ago. Last year it was

560
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: the most dangerous things ever happened in the sport. This

561
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: year it's gone like defenseless receiver to hit the quarterback low,

562
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: Tom Brady. Tom Brady blows out his knee. They're like,

563
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: massive rule change. You now no longer hit the quarterback low.

564
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. Aaron Rodgers breaks his collar bone. They're like, hey,

565
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: you can't fall on quarterbacks now either. Don't care if

566
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: you don't like it. Baseball's making changes. The NBA is

567
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: just like, can we interest you in in a new

568
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: All Star game format? And it's like, bro, that's not

569
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: the issue here. And here's one other NBA question. I

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00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: didn't I forgot who first posed this, but every since

571
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: I read it, I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Is there

572
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: a single NBA player under thirty that is more famous

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00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: than Caitlin Clark?

574
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: No, no, there's not. There's not.

575
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: That's a problem. That's a problem.

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00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Well, are the okay, so this is something that's a problem.

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00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: So Baseball. I believe I've said this on the air.

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00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I talked more baseball last year than I ever have,

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Speaker 1: and I believe baseball is going to have, let me

580
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: lay this out, is going to have a renaissance.

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00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: And I totally agree with this take.

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00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: By the way, case I totally number one, because the

583
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: regional sports networks died. The bottom of the sport is

584
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: now Triple A Baseball, and they cannot afford even even

585
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: good players. They can barely afford. So it's getting very

586
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: top think about that. It's getting very top heavy. That's great.

587
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Remember networks don't care. They only televise seven teams and

588
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: a thirty percent of the revenue comes from networks. And

589
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: you say, oh, it hurts attendant, But remember when you

590
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: bring in all star teams, did you see how old

591
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: Tawny Betson Freeman drove road attendance. So now you're going

592
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: to have Lindoor and Sodo driving road attendants, Machado tatists

593
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: in San Diego, Judge and Stanton. So you get a

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00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: series of five or six super teams. Well, when the

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00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: Yankees had Jeter and a Rod, they led the league

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00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: every year in road attendance and their own So my

597
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: take is the sport's getting insanely the gap now it's

598
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: like the inequity of wealth in America. It's just widening

599
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: and widening. So that's not a terrible thing because what's

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00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: happening now is the only cities that can afford the

601
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: big stars New York, La Philly and the richest of owners.

602
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: The San Diego Group has has been able to monetize

603
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: some retail outlets and the stadium, and so what's happening is, yes,

604
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: it'll be dominated by six teams. TV networks don't care.

605
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: They're almost overwhelmingly either the richest owners or the bigger cities.

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00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the Dodgers and I'm like, do

607
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: I really want the Joey Vado model or the Joe Mauer?

608
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: Will you go to Seattle? And nobody can. They can't

609
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: afford anybody beyond Robinson Cano. It's a bad product.

610
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: So at least the.

611
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: Stars now are joining other stars, and people forget this.

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00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, when Jordan dominated the NBA, there were no

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00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: other great teams. There were teams that could tackle them

614
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: for several years. But when the Celtics and the Piston's age,

615
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: it was a bunch of Portland's Utahs.

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00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: They were just.

617
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: There was run team. But that team was so enlightening

618
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: and so it was such a star studded team. It

619
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: drove attendance everywhere they went. Every night it was just

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00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: it was Sports Center, it was the lead and so

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Speaker 1: my kak is baseball and let me fish. Baseball has

622
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: this now, they have like all star teams the NBA

623
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Speaker 1: Wemby San Antonio, SJA, Oklahoma, Jokic, Denver, Jannis, Milwaukee, and Minnesota.

624
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Unlike baseball, they're in the wrong markets.

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00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: Well, and the NBA just just last year massively changed

626
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: the rules proactively to make sure super teams can't exist anymore,

627
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: which mistake. Theoretically right, theoretically you understand it, but ultimately

628
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: probably a mistake. It gives cheap owners and out like, oh,

629
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: what do you want me to do? Like Dent, what

630
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: Denver has done to Jokicic's prime is they win a

631
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: title and then each year they're like, let's lose this

632
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: key player. Let's lose that key player, and what do

633
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: you want from us? Poor guy had one hundred and

634
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: two points, thirty rebounds, sixteen assists over two games. They

635
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: only won one of them. Guy average fifty fifteen and

636
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: eight over two games, one of their losses to the Wizards.

637
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: So that and here's the other reason why I don't

638
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: think it's bad for baseball because even with everything, you

639
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: just said, Baseball still is just random enough that a

640
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: team like the Royals this year got made the playoffs

641
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: one around, stole a game from the Yankees, and it's like,

642
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Speaker 2: there's not going to be You're not gonna feel like,

643
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: oh you you're oh my season, I can't compete, like

644
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: because the baseball kind of adding variants to the playoffs.

645
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: I went into that Royals Yankees series like, Okay, we

646
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: have two players who would play for them, but we

647
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: got like a forty percent chance of flipping them. Yeah,

648
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. The takes one good

649
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: starting pitching night one night and we could win. So

650
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like we were dead. And so yeah,

651
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: I found baseball this year. We talked more baseball on

652
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 2: the show than ever before. Now that was a very

653
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: low bar because our previous high was zero. However, still

654
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: but still like it was. It's not like it was

655
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Speaker 2: forced on us. It was exciting. It's like, yo, we

656
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: have judged Verstani and the damn World Series like this

657
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: is dope. And so I agree with you. And that's

658
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Speaker 2: another reason the NBA should be worried, Like and I

659
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I have my concerns about whether

660
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 2: or not Adam Silver is a wartime consuliari or even

661
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: knows there's a war going on. And I think he's

662
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: super sharp and a lot of things and the right

663
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: man for a lot of jobs. But right now, I

664
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Speaker 2: think you have to be willing to say we actively

665
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Speaker 2: don't care about the record book because the other if

666
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Speaker 2: they wanted to one other thing. And I've said this

667
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: for literally I said it for the first time at

668
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference seven years ago because I

669
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: saw the strength coming down the tracks. Because I'm like

670
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: my buddy Daryl Morey, I think is the smartest guy

671
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: in the league, and he clearly believes we should only

672
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: shoot threes, free throws and layups. So eventually everyone's gonna

673
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: think this, and then what's it going to do? And

674
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: my solution then, in my solution now is if you

675
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: want to change nothing about the rules of the sport,

676
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: then all you have to do is say it's not

677
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: threes and twos, it's fours and threes because now it's

678
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: only a thirty three percent premium. Now you know what

679
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: I mean? All those things. But there's two reasons they

680
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: won't do that. One is people can't do math. People

681
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: were like what the fuck like AD four And the

682
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: other reason is it would ruin the record books. But

683
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: you can't be worried about the record books and paralyzed

684
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Speaker 2: by them.

685
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Speaker 1: And it's insane.

686
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: It's insane, especially when like, hey man, if your Hall

687
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: of Fame doesn't have Barry Bonds in it, like, what's

688
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: the museum you're protecting anyway? Does it?

689
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Speaker 3: Like?

690
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: the construction and deconstruction of part some sports. So for

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Speaker 1: years and years and for years and years, you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody howled that we needed to pay the college football players,

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00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: and because their careers are shorter than baseball and basketball

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Speaker 1: and hockey players. I agree, like, let's pay these guys,

706
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Speaker 1: and we have, and a lot of people don't like it.

707
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Speaker 1: I'm never watching the game again, but the ratings go up.

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Speaker 1: Protesters by and large have very little influence and are

709
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: just throwing temper tantrums. Right. So, but I was going

710
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: to throw this out there the other day. It is

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00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: kind of remarkable now that college football. Pro football has

712
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: a salary cap, right. Pro football has times that you

713
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: can lead transfer slash go to free agency. College has neither.

714
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: So the trains completely got off the tracks. So with

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Speaker 1: the nil, my take is, listen, Texas can spend thirty,

716
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Speaker 1: Purdue can spend two. Let's say that the cap and

717
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Purdue will never get to it, but make the cap seventeen.

718
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's gonna become baseball in HGH, like you're not

719
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: even Produe's gonna have no elite players. Texas will have

720
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Speaker 1: thirty eight. And there's always been an imbalance in college football.

721
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Speaker 1: But let's put up some guard rail so all the

722
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Speaker 1: kids get paid, but the but the you know, let's

723
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Speaker 1: just say eighteen because some schools now have broken through

724
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Speaker 1: the twenty they're getting close to twenty eight and thirty and.

725
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Speaker 2: And well, hell BYU basketball just paid a kid seven

726
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: million bucks. It's I mean, so, here's so I have

727
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Speaker 2: a different Here's the question I have. Are we approaching

728
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Speaker 2: a time where none, where there is? What's the good

729
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: example for this? Not Ashton genty he's gonna be a

730
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: top ten pick. If you are, you're like, hey, I'm

731
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: the second best running back in college football. Stay there,

732
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: I've checked my draft profile. Question they say I'm a

733
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: second third round pick. Well, let me check those contracts.

734
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Speaker 2: That's six hundred grand a year. Well that's crazy because

735
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: nil at Michigan will pay me three million for real,

736
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Speaker 2: Because running back in college football, you're still a star,

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00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: like you're the like, so are there going to be?

738
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Speaker 2: It won't happen with quarterbacks that are you know, and

739
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: I obviously like, but where guys that aren't. And by

740
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: the way, I don't know that that's bad. That might

741
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: be really good saying. It'll be a fascinating thing. I

742
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: think where guys who are like, wait, I can make

743
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: more money staying in college.

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00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: It will fortify college football because it's already happening now.

745
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Because I've talked to coaches who have said, this is

746
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: a discussion point for running backs. We can pay a

747
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: three forty, you can make two eighty and you and

748
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: you're not by the way, you're not a twelve year

749
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: NFL player, but you can be a legend at Blank University.

750
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: And so it's happen. It's happening right now, and I

751
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: think it actually benefits college football. You're gonna keep more players.

752
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: It may be two players a roster, but if you're

753
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: like a top receiver to school at Tulsa and you're

754
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: a six round pick and Tulsa's like, we'll pay you

755
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars, well, you're ye making your in

756
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: pro football.

757
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: And not guaranteed and they're not cares, not guaranteed contracts.

758
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: Like I do think there's going to be real. I

759
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: think it'll be fascinating when a player who is considered like,

760
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: oh wait, that guy, he's the number one safety in

761
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: the draft, and the people are like, okay, he's gonna

762
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: go late first, early second, and he's like, all right,

763
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: well I can wait on that. I'm you know what

764
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna here. And again, I don't think

765
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: that's bad. To be very clear, I just think it's

766
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: a fascinating dynamic. I also so I I wish I

767
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: had the the kid's name, but I did see a video.

768
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: There was the first time I started to feel actually

769
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: like uneasy about the nil stuff was there was a

770
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Speaker 2: kid in this latest signing class who I'm gonna get it.

771
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get the proper nowns wrong, but just follow

772
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: me on it. Let's for the sake of argument, say

773
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: he signed with Georgia and at the announcement he made

774
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 2: it very clear he was sad, and he was like, yeah,

775
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: you know, I never thought I'd go be going here

776
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: my whole life. You know, I dreamed of playing at LSU.

777
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: What And again I might have the George LSU part wrong,

778
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: but school a school beat. And then when I looked

779
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: it up LSU and this offered him a scholarship. It

780
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: is a five star kid, but it was purely like

781
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: And what made me feel bad was I was like,

782
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: was he making this decision or were like the adults

783
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: and his family pressuring him? But it was clearly this

784
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: place offered more money, So I felt like I had

785
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: to go there. And I was like, oh, that kind

786
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: of sucks, you know what I mean, Like you always

787
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: dreamt of playing for this college. You're seventeen years old,

788
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, this place is offering me two million,

789
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: and this place offering me three million, and my family

790
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: is probably right, Like I can't turn down a million dollars,

791
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: so I guess I'll go here. And that part of

792
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 2: it did make it feel like, uh, that's not perfect. No,

793
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: Like this isn't the this isn't perfect. It's better than

794
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: to me than it was. This is better than the

795
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: kids getting no money and everyone else getting rich. But

796
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: we haven't quite found homeostasis here yet. Not the right

797
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: way to do it.

798
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Speaker 1: It's just the duality of everything with more money, more money,

799
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: more problems. You're this idea that there was this ball halla,

800
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: there was this perfect landing spot. It does not exist.

801
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something that's fascinating. Here's something I talked.

802
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: I led my show with us today and unfortunately, I'm

803
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: sure you probably didn't have time for it. You used

804
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: to listen religiously, but those days are over. But the

805
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: point being, no, I that's true. So I led with

806
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: this today. Deebo Samuel Brock pretty comes out and says

807
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, I love Debo and we'll get in the

808
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: ball more. And I thought, oh, okay, so a year ago,

809
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: nine months ago, running backs are dead in this league.

810
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: The top five running teams now in the league are

811
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: all playoff teams. The top six receivers receiving yards, six

812
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: of the top ten round losing teams. And so it's

813
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: it's DeVante Adams cryptic messages. Jamar Chase is noisy, it's

814
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: elite neighbors. It's Deebo Samuel, it's Deontay Johnson, it's George Pickens.

815
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: So it's even Aj Brown, by the way, on a

816
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: good team. Everything was fine, and then he's like, I'm.

817
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: Pissed, and I said it's not fine, And I said,

818
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: we gave receivers for about two years the keys to

819
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: the kingdom. But they are sports cars. They don't work

820
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: well in the winner. You can't really drive them seven

821
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: days a week. And running back this is you've loved

822
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: this take and running backs no, no, no, they're the suv

823
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: year round, grocery, soccer practice date all weather. Actually always

824
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: elevate the quarterback, always young quarterback, old quarterback. They're also great.

825
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: They help you take leads and eat the clock and

826
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Speaker 1: help you protect them. The receivers, don't they all block

827
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: or they don't play. They're the grinders. They're the most

828
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: running back Saquon Barkley, I want the ball more, but

829
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm sacrificing for the team. They never you never hear

830
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: a running back complaining we're throwing it too much to

831
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: the star receiver. And it's a classic example is that

832
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: we gave it's the NBA position of NFL wide receiver

833
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: rakes the huddle first, he's on his own. We gave

834
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: you the keys for like two years. We immediately had

835
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: a wide receiver Bubble Chiefs win without Tyreek Hill. You

836
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: can argue they can spend money on defense. They're just

837
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: a much better team now, more complete team. And in

838
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: the end, it goes back nine months ago we lamented

839
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: the future of running backs. It is now in one

840
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: season Baltimore, Detroit, Green Bay, Washington. Here comes Isaiah Pacheco,

841
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: the Rams, Kiren wioms it is a running back quarterback

842
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: league again in nine months.

843
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: So so that was and I didn't see it coming

844
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: this quickly up. But what I did wonder was I

845
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, one of the things that happened to

846
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 2: running backs was yes, the game changed, but the other

847
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't just that the game changed. It wasn't just

848
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: your position isn't as valuable. It was there's too many

849
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: B minuses, meaning like there you could seemingly find a

850
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: not great but a good running back anywhere, practice squad,

851
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: seventh round, undrafted free agent like. And the reason for

852
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: that was very obvious, which is our whole lives the

853
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: best athlete at seven years old? Where'd they put them?

854
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: Running back?

855
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: Like?

856
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: If it wasn't the quarter like it was like, oh,

857
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: you're the best player on the team. We're gonna if

858
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: we're if you're either gonna be a dual threat quarterback

859
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: or the running back, because we're going to hand you

860
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: the ball a bunch. So in high school and college

861
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: there were just too many good ones, which means seems like, okay,

862
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: I could pay X for a great one or basically

863
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: nothing for a good one, so I'll do that. And

864
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: what I wondered aloud was are we about to see

865
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: in a few years the same thing happened to receivers,

866
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: because now if you're a great athlete as a kid,

867
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 2: they're putting you at receiving It is seven on seven

868
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: every damn year in the draft. This year there were

869
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: ten receivers taken in the first forty picks. And then

870
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: when we're like hold on that, everybody thinks there are

871
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: twenty five top ten receivers, Like if you really put

872
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: pencil to paper and it's like, okay, is he a

873
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: top ten receiver? Well, I don't know, man, because the

874
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson thinks he is, DeVante Adams thinks he is,

875
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill thinks he is, Jayleen Waddle thinks he is.

876
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: There's four just in the AFC East, and you keep

877
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: going is Terry mclaurins, Nico Collins Is, Deebo Samuels, Brandon

878
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: ayuk Is and I've mentioned Tyreek Hill, Jamar Chase AJ Brown,

879
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: CD lamb a Mon Like there's all of these, it's like,

880
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: well they're thirty million a person. But Brian Thomas Junior

881
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: was the fourth receiver taken, So like, is there going

882
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: to be the same type of correction where teams are like, no,

883
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm not paying thirty million for RECEI there's six more

884
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: great ones coming out in the draft, Like I'm just

885
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: not doing it right. So I saw that, I wondered

886
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 2: if that was happening. I still think that's probably going

887
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: to happen. The other thing that has happened this season

888
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: is and maybe I'm maybe this is just because I

889
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: turned forty and I instantly developed old man opinions. But

890
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors being a diva receiver as a rookie, yea infuriated. Yeah, no,

891
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: it's too much, and like in a way, it's too much, man,

892
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: say like, listen, I get that's there's been a we're

893
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: allowed to be divas, so we kind of lean into

894
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 2: it from the position. Got it, so be it no problem.

895
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 2: But t O and o Jo Sinko were not pains

896
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: in the ass their first year in the league. We're

897
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: gat they weren't like they were great, and then they

898
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: and then they developed over three or four or five years. Yes,

899
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: once they had else on the wall, I see, I'm like, man, everywhere,

900
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: I look like George Pickens, an awesome player, huge pain

901
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: in the ass from day one. Pick Malik Neighbors. It

902
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: took him eight games before he's like, why didn't I

903
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: get the ball to or down thirty? Nothing? It's like, buddy,

904
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: you're the best player on the team. I get it,

905
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: but you it's too early for this, it's too early,

906
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: and so the and then the AJ Brown thing really

907
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: irritated me on a just a team level. It's like, man,

908
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: there there was nothing wrong. Everything. You guys are on

909
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 2: a ten game winning streak, you're you guys are undefeated

910
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: when you playing there Seemingly everything's all good. The only

911
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: public narrative should be, man, Sakuon Barkley's gonna spreak, Eric

912
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: Dickerson's record, and our defense is better than you idiots

913
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: thought it would be. And then privately, if you want

914
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: to be like god, damn it, so be it. But

915
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 2: it's that was like AJ Brown, you're on your third contract, Yeah,

916
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: you just got paid again. What are we doing?

917
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: Here's what his issue is. He was overshadowed by a

918
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: star running back in Tennessee, Derrick Henry, and he's overshadowed

919
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: again with a star running back. No great receiver has

920
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: been overshadowed in his prime by the two best receivers

921
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: over the last six years in the league. He's the guy.

922
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. I didn't even think about that.

923
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: He's so he keeps going to places going timeout. I

924
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: get a good quarterback, not a great one. Tannehill Jalen,

925
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm the best player on the team and both become

926
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: run centric. What are you doing to my career?

927
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: You right, but the but the but here's the here's

928
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: the thing about that. But you keep getting paid any like,

929
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: you keep getting top of the market.

930
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Deal well, and but money every time. You know, I'm

931
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: not gonna speak for anybody, but when people get raises,

932
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: it's good for about three checks and then you're like,

933
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: I want the respect. Guys are driven much more more

934
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: respect than they are money.

935
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: I know that part. I totally agree with I the

936
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: and I agree with you the whenever, like somebody loses

937
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: a job or whatever and the reaction on Twitter is

938
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: either still getting paid or whatever. I disagree with that

939
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: because for someone who has been a j in it,

940
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna sound like I'm contradicting myself. But I'll come around.

941
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: He's been He's not newly rich. He's been rich long

942
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: enough that that's his normal. Yeah, so the money doesn't

943
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: really solve things. The point I'm making is I would

944
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: understand it a little bit more if you were in

945
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: a contract year. If it's like, yo, you're costing me

946
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: much because but the Eagles preemptively paid him this offseason early.

947
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons I would think you do

948
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: that is to stave this all right, Like, hey, no

949
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: matter how we have to run the team, you're gonna

950
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: know you've been taken care of. So even if this

951
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: year your numbers are down, it's not costing you anything

952
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: because we just paid you. So that's the reason I

953
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: brought it up, Like I do get why guys who

954
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: are in contract years are like yo, no.

955
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean aj bra number is being selfish. Because also

956
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: the NFL record book nobody cares. It's not like baseball.

957
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: It really isn't. Nobody cares about the NFL record but

958
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: we know Brady and Jerry, Rice and Montana and Mahomes

959
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: are all over it, like and Breeze. So like a

960
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver, like, listen, we know you're great. If you

961
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: get paid and you win a ring, it kind of

962
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: solves everything.

963
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: Well that's and also like if there's anyone on the like,

964
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: could you imagine and this is to your point if

965
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: after this last game, Saquan out of nowhere in the

966
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 2: locker room was like, yeah, I mean, listen, everything's great,

967
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: but I'm really sick of jail and sniping my touchdown,

968
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: I should have ten more Like, how about we call

969
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: a handoff at the one instead of the Toushbush people

970
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: would be like that, you laugh because it's laughable to

971
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: think of him doing it.

972
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: But it's but we're used to receivers being ridiculous.

973
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: We're totally used to it, one hundred percent used to it,

974
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: like the yeah, I mean, I don't, I can't. I

975
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: can't even bad ones Kadarius Tony, this dope, he's bounced.

976
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: He just wants to He barely got on the field

977
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 2: in Cleveland Fair caught a punt and taunted a guy.

978
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: It's like you just have it in your DNA, like

979
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: you just have It's it's unbelievable.

980
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: So this is we got into a point. This was

981
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: a topic on the show that was fascinating and and

982
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: I've always said in the in my industry I work in,

983
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how to use all the levers in

984
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: the control room, but I do know the words I

985
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: can't say on the air. I understand the bible of

986
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: my business. And I also have an understanding, having worked

987
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: for ESPN and Fox, not to go after commissioners personally,

988
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: although I can criticize them and have criticized all of them.

989
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: There are certain things I know. I don't expect football

990
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: players to know all the rules, but I'll give you

991
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: three that drive me crazy. So the Cowboys block upon

992
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati. And when a punt is blocked and goes

993
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: past the line of scrimmage, it's a punt. You treat

994
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: it like a punt. Do you blame the player or

995
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: the special teams coach? Because special teams players are often

996
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: guys who are inserted late. They actually play.

997
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: That guy who was that guy who did it? It was

998
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: his first NFL game?

999
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: Okay. You often are like a backup corner. You just

1000
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: got off the field. Now you're special teams. You're worrying

1001
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: about your assignments here, not your assignment's there. So the

1002
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: other things that drive me crazy are Tyreek Hill. I've

1003
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: seen this a few times when you do the often

1004
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: used dolphin backwards pass like the bubble screen, and they

1005
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: and the ball skips and they don't pounce on it.

1006
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: They don't understand it's a live ball. The other one

1007
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: is when a receiver catches a ball downfield and the

1008
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: dB moves past him, doesn't touch him, and people forget

1009
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: you have to.

1010
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: Touch Okay, yeah, well that's a college football relic.

1011
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, So there's those are men, so all

1012
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: three of these and I'm not a rule breaker, so

1013
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: maybe I'm more of a rule follower. It drives me

1014
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: crazy when you don't know the basics of the game. Now,

1015
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan apparently forgot or didn't advise his team on

1016
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl overtime rule, which Andy Reid did. That's

1017
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: a coaching gaff. But let me ask you, do you

1018
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: blame the coach or the player when a rule that

1019
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: can change possessions outcomes so players don't know it.

1020
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: So I'll go through each of your examples. The backwards

1021
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: pass thing, I I think that play being such a

1022
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: prominent piece of so many teams playbook is one of

1023
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: the dumbest things that exists in sports. Like if if

1024
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: it's there because you're playing as a trick play double pass, right,

1025
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: so be it. But if that is just a swing

1026
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: pass to not coach your guys, Hey guys, this must

1027
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: be executed forward is baffling because it's you're gaining that

1028
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: you gain nothing strategically from it. That the yard difference

1029
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: between it being lateral or backwards versus forward, but the

1030
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: risk is, oh, you could just pick it up an

1031
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: run for a touchdown versus it being an incomplete pass.

1032
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: So yes, guys should pounce on it, and I always

1033
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: think it's crazy when they don't. Also, I don't know

1034
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: why so many teams love that stupid you know, like

1035
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: for pre wheel route backwards pass, like what are you doing?

1036
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: That can end in disaster? I hate it. It's the

1037
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: opposite of the little shovel pass in front of you,

1038
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: which is, oh, even if you drop it, it looks like a.

1039
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: Fumble, but it's not.

1040
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: That's the opposite of that, right, So that's first one.

1041
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: The not touching guys when they're down is to me

1042
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: not a coaching thing. That is purely on the players.

1043
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: Like everyone knows once you get to the NFL you

1044
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: got to touch them. Sometimes guys, it almost seems like

1045
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: a void, like try to avoid hitting the guy, Like

1046
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 2: it's bizarre. The Cowboys thing on.

1047
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: The punt special teams are queer, they're quirky, they're different.

1048
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: And here's where I will blame the coach I did.

1049
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you member the Cowboys, who were they playing?

1050
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: It was the it was one of the games they won.

1051
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: It was the insane game. They almost blew and they

1052
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: they it went back and forth. Is that was it Washing?

1053
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: It was Washington. They give up the hail Mary short

1054
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: hail Mary, but then set whatever it is if you remember,

1055
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: on sidekick, they recover it and instead of going down,

1056
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: run thirty yards for a touchdown, which then gave Washington

1057
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 2: the ball down eight and a chance to actually beat them.

1058
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: When that happened, the coaches were celebrating, and I'm like, oh,

1059
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: you guys, are that guy who God love him? That

1060
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: was the wrong play. You were up one, there's a

1061
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: minute left. When you recover that on sidekick, you go

1062
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: down and the the game is over. You recovered it, scored.

1063
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: Now we got to go back on defense. And Washington

1064
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: almost beat him because of it. But the coach is

1065
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: all celebrated. You saw it on the sideline, So what

1066
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: the hell do you expect. Two weeks later, a different

1067
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: special teams guy sees a bouncing ball and seemingly open air,

1068
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna scoop this and go score. That's coaching. That

1069
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: to me is coaching like. And so I don't blame

1070
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: that kid nearly as much as I blame the coaches

1071
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: in that spot, especially because this is an old man

1072
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: genie line. Don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't ignore

1073
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: in defeat. Like I don't believe that the kid who

1074
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: recovered the on side kick and scored instead of going

1075
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: down got, you know, in trouble for it. I think

1076
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: he got out of boys for it, which then it

1077
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: signals to the team, Hey, even if it's the wrong play,

1078
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 2: if I make it right, it's fine. And that's like

1079
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: the opposite the Belichick thing of guys who if they

1080
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: reached for the pylon, even if it was successful, got

1081
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: in trouble, yeah, because it was like the risk reward

1082
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: here is not right.

1083
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of football axioms and truths are

1084
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: parenting that if my kids does something dangerous and survives,

1085
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: I still I still offer wisdom and will punish him.

1086
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes you could have been really hurt. Many of the

1087
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: truths and parenting are truths and coaching, and that is

1088
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: treat you know, that's right, right, Be respectful, right right,

1089
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: Be nice to others. Treat others like you'd like to

1090
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: be treated, Be coachable, don't cheat.

1091
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: Try to learn wherever you can, like, respect people who've

1092
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: been there before, and see what wisdom they have.

1093
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: Of course, I use sports. I bet I once a day.

1094
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: I will use sports athletes as examples in my business

1095
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: life and my broadcasting career. I use it all the

1096
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: time with my kids. One of the things I've always said,

1097
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: I told my daughter this once. I said, Michael Jordan

1098
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: was the best player, had the best marketing commissioner loved him,

1099
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: had the best coach, was the best looking, was the

1100
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: most stylish, And watched the documentary. It was hard. It

1101
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: was incredibly difficult. That's for the most gifted, with a

1102
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: commissioner that loved him, Nike one hundred years ahead of everywhere,

1103
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: the best agent. He still had an owner, he had

1104
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: a GM, he had Goofy, Dennis Rodman, he had teammates

1105
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: that were did not play to his liking. And I

1106
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: use this all the time in life. There's a reason

1107
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: there's like one Elon Musk and there's a reason, like

1108
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: there's a reason for Trump success. He's just a goddamn fighter.

1109
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: Like him or not.

1110
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: He just doesn't sleep, he doesn't make it. He's never vacation.

1111
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: He's never had a vacation day Like life is hard

1112
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: and one of the great maybe the greatest asset any

1113
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: of us can have. It's not education. It's relentlessness. Is

1114
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: that it is not linear for Jordan, it's not it

1115
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: wasn't linear for Brady. Maybe you look at Brady and

1116
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: you're like the best coach, the best own. So it's

1117
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: it's and we're seeing now some pushback on how much

1118
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: academics matter. They obviously matter, and they can separate people,

1119
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 1: but it is a relentlessness. A lot of people from

1120
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: Harbord don't succeed, and a lot of people from eastern

1121
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: Washington have great lives, right, And I and I and

1122
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: I so I think, I use, I use I think

1123
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: about how much of parenting is sports and how much

1124
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: of sports is life. And I use them and I

1125
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: use the Jordan documentary with my kids multiple times.

1126
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing with the Jordan documentary is

1127
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: like it no matter no matter how much success money fame.

1128
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: Jordan was at peak success money fame, and in nineteen

1129
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: ninety three was so seemingly kind of lost, sad and

1130
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: miserable that he quit his sport to go do something insane,

1131
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 2: which was like the lesson for me on that is

1132
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: like and now he had dealt with a you know,

1133
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: his father was murdered and he was dealing with a

1134
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: personal tragedy, real stuff, and I think there were. But

1135
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: if you in that documentary, a modern Shad tells us

1136
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: he was talking about doing that before his dad got murdered,

1137
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: and so he was already. So the one of the

1138
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 2: lessons for me on that is, like, man, this some

1139
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: some of the professional stuff or other stuff. If you

1140
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: have a hole in you or are missing something or whatever,

1141
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: it's not gonna fill it. Like the only way to

1142
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 2: fix your issues or to you know, feel joy or

1143
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 2: good about things, whatever, is to really look at why

1144
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: you're not going to do it. And so the idea

1145
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,839
Speaker 2: that you can achieve your way out of your own stuff,

1146
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: you just can't. Because how many of like the use

1147
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: the Jordan documentary like he is and he I don't

1148
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: think ever got there like that. People look at that

1149
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: Jordan Hall of Fame speech, it's like the ultimate Michael

1150
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: Jordan thing, and I look at it as one of

1151
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: the saddest things in sports, Like this is the guy

1152
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 2: who at the time was universally, unambiguously accepted as the

1153
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 2: greatest ever maybe the most famous person in the world

1154
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 2: at the times, like him, the Pope whoever the press

1155
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: like the very very short list, infinite, endless money, and

1156
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,839
Speaker 2: at his final real public appearance as a basketball player,

1157
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: he just was a vindictive asshole because whatever whatever it

1158
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: was in him that fueled him, but that also was

1159
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: real hurt or pain he never addressed. Yeah, right or

1160
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: I and I don't even know if I agree it's

1161
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 2: not solvable. I don't think he ever tried to solve it,

1162
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 2: and so like the and then like so you see

1163
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 2: these things and you're like, man, like that ain't gonna

1164
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,799
Speaker 2: do it for you, like if Michael Jordan ain't doesn't

1165
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: have it, Like that's not gonna And so I mean

1166
01:11:54,280 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned you mentioned Trump. Trump wealthy beyond anyone's wildest imaginations,

1167
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: did everything that you know, he was always wanted to,

1168
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 2: I think, kind of prove his dad wrong, did all that,

1169
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 2: then became president and just pissed all the time, just

1170
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 2: just like nobody's got it worse than me, everyone's else.

1171
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: It can be seeming like legit seemingly miserable, like it

1172
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 2: just like and so whatever, like some of it's if

1173
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: you got if you need to deal with something and

1174
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 2: you don't like it, and still it doesn't go away. Like,

1175
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 2: no matter what you achieve, it's still sitting there. It's

1176
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: still sitting there waiting for you at the end of it.

1177
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 2: And so yeah, like that is that? That is? Uh?

1178
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 2: The Jordan doc really crystallized that. When you saw it,

1179
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 2: You're like, man, I don't think this dude's happy. He's rich,

1180
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 2: he's famous, he's Michael Jordan doesn't seem happy and certainly

1181
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,440
Speaker 2: wasn't during the process.

1182
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: So or whatever that's worth Nick, right, perfect. I don't

1183
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: like to great exhaust every idea because I want to

1184
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: get you more regularly. But your your career is bit

1185
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: between poker and your career and your podcast.

1186
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: Speaking of poker, going to the Atlantis Resort and Casino

1187
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: in the Bahamas for thirty six hours.

1188
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: Oh good for you.

1189
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's no vacation, it's they're the biggest poker turn

1190
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: in the world's going on down there. So I'm going

1191
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: there Friday or Saturday morning, coming back Sunday. Take Oh

1192
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: it's not you know, I'll share this with you and

1193
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: the audience not actually playing. It's you know, it's a

1194
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: it's a potential partnership meeting that I'm having down there.

1195
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: Good for you.

1196
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: So so doing that for you. Yes, but uh but

1197
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 2: I yeah. So the poker stuff's going good, show's going good.

1198
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: I miss you and we'll do this more often, I'm

1199
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: sure of it. I'll talk to you soon, brother.

1200
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: The Volume