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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling revelry. No, no, sibling,

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Speaker 2: you don't do that with your mouth. Revelry. That's good. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome back to sibling revelry. And I say welcome

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Speaker 2: back because I'm alone again, and so I'm welcome you,

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Speaker 2: welcoming you back to sib revelry because the Ling is working.

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Speaker 2: You understee what I'm saying. I'm the sib and Kate

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Speaker 2: is the ling. The Ling is working. She's she's she's

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Speaker 2: doing a gig at Netflix. And I'm here to just

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Speaker 2: make this shit hot. I'm here to, you know, throw

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Speaker 2: coal into the into the fire so this train just

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Speaker 2: keeps moving. Would I like to be doing a Netflix

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Speaker 2: show with incredible actors and laughing and playing and making

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Speaker 2: a ton of money every day? No, I wouldn't. I'd

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Speaker 2: rather be here speaking to you everyone who's listening right now.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, there's a good chance that our

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Speaker 2: audience doubles right now. There's a good chance I have

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Speaker 2: a feeling and I don't mind going solo. You know why,

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Speaker 2: because I get to just speak what comes into my mind,

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Speaker 2: and if anyone could crawl into my head, it would

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Speaker 2: be a funny, a scared, an anxious, a dangerous place

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Speaker 2: because this brain just does not stop. We have some

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Speaker 2: fun guests on today. I do Klay, Ake and Ruben started. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is American Idol and its infancy. This is when

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Speaker 2: I was obsessed with American Idol. We have two unlikely

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Speaker 2: best friends. They're brothers from another mother, and that's how

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Speaker 2: we're tying this whole thing into the sibling aspect. They

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Speaker 2: are going to be on the mass singer. They have

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Speaker 2: got all kinds of shit going on, and I'm just

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Speaker 2: excited to hear about their friendship, how it all started,

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Speaker 2: what American Idol meant to them, and then also the

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Speaker 2: pitfalls of it. I hope that they are okay with

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Speaker 2: my line of questioning, because again, I don't have Kate

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Speaker 2: to sort of keep me on the rails. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go off the rails. Enough about me, Let's get

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Speaker 2: to Ruben and Clay bring him in. Let's see. Let's

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Speaker 2: see how they react to the solo Hudson ex Press. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: where's our Ruben. I'm here so I know my sister

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be here. There might be some disappointment,

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Speaker 2: you know, from you guys, But I promise that I'm

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Speaker 2: better looking than my sister. I'm cooler, how much funnier

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Speaker 2: than she is. She doesn't add what I add. You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. She doesn't do what I do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's just what I say about That's what I

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Speaker 1: say about Ruben. Every time together, you do you do.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear. I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: have you guys on. I mean, I really am. I've

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Speaker 1: watched you from the beginning, and that's that's no bullshit.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was a crazy, crazy.

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Speaker 2: American Idol fan, and it's really an honor to sort

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Speaker 2: of have you guys on and talk about your experience

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Speaker 2: and your friendship and your brotherhood. Honestly. So let's start

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Speaker 2: with Clay, shall we, you know, and then we'll bring

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Speaker 2: Reuben in and then we'll converge and meet and smash

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Speaker 2: in the middle. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: You have to you have to give.

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Speaker 4: You have to say, Dard, this.

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Speaker 2: Is your this is your issue. You're taking everything as

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Speaker 2: a sexual innuendo. Now you are you are, so you know,

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Speaker 2: just get that, get get that out of your head.

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Speaker 2: You know, he makes.

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Speaker 5: Himself very easy to pick on, but he's he's a

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Speaker 5: good guy. He makes it easy for men.

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Speaker 2: Mean smash can mean many things.

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Speaker 4: All right, I don't make myself he's the pick mothers

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Speaker 3: That's fine. I'll be.

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Speaker 5: So I usually lay off after a while.

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Speaker 2: So, uh yeah, Clay, just just give us your sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, your moment, your rise, your you know,

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Speaker 2: from childhood sort of up. You don't gotta we don't

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Speaker 2: got to get in of the entire into the weeds,

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Speaker 2: but just your story a little bit.

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Speaker 5: We both we both wrote Ruben and I grew up

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Speaker 5: in southern homes. We grew up in church. We grew

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Speaker 5: I mean the rise, I think it's it's kind of

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Speaker 5: crazy to think, Ruben, it's been twenty years and people,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's it's been so long that now we

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Speaker 5: are part of the Idol history, right. But you know,

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Speaker 5: I think for everyone they recognize us both from American

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Speaker 5: Idol twenty one years ago now since we did the show.

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Speaker 5: And uh, and I don't know if it's because our

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Speaker 5: didn't have the stakes going into it that that I

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Speaker 5: think other people in later seasons had. We didn't realize

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Speaker 5: how big it was going to be and how big

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Speaker 5: it would become. But for that reason, we all kind

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Speaker 5: of went into it thinking it'd be a great summer

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Speaker 5: camp experience, and and we didn't go in with this

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Speaker 5: competitive edge against each other. And so Ruben I just

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Speaker 5: became really good friends, in large part because of our

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Speaker 5: kind of shared similarities loving music and our backgrounds in

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Speaker 5: our home states that we both loved and we stayed

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Speaker 5: friends since. And so, you know, at least for me,

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Speaker 5: Ruben's been performing himself solo for the past twenty one years.

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Speaker 5: For me, I stepped away for a long time and

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Speaker 5: the only way I was willing to come back was

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Speaker 5: to perform alongside him. Oh really, we've spent we've spent

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Speaker 5: the last he's finally been free of me for how

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Speaker 5: many months two months now, But prior to.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Ruben, that's a lot of that's a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 2: Clay's like, I have the voice of an angel, but

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Speaker 2: I've sort of put it on the shelf, and the

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Speaker 2: only way that I'm coming back is if you do

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Speaker 2: it with me. You know, well't no, don't go there again, bro, I.

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Speaker 5: Had to say, I could only sting with someone who

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Speaker 5: was as good, That's why.

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Speaker 2: And when did you guys sort of meet on Idol? How?

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Speaker 2: How soon in the process?

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Speaker 3: Pretty pretty pretty early on?

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Speaker 4: Like, I mean we were well, we we hadn't made

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Speaker 5: I don't know we had made the top anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we were in that hotel and Ruben so I was

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Speaker 5: surrounded by I was surrounded by ladies. Uh for different

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Speaker 5: reasons than Ruben likes to be surrounded by ladies. But

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Speaker 5: he saw he saw me with a group of girls,

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Speaker 5: and he was and he thought I had game, so

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Speaker 5: he was gonna come over and flirt with him.

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Speaker 2: Also, you thought he had game? Is that where you were?

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Speaker 3: I really did? I didn't like, I mean we because

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Speaker 3: you don't. We don't.

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Speaker 4: None of us really knew one another, so you know,

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Speaker 3: And for some reason, this particular.

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Speaker 4: Guy had like a room full of women talking to him.

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, let me go see what this crag?

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Speaker 4: What's going on over here?

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Speaker 2: That is funny? That is funny, And then boom, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And to be and to be.

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Speaker 4: Clear, like I think everybody that was on our our season,

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Speaker 4: that was on the season proper, we all for some

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Speaker 4: reason like had a relationship with each other before the

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Speaker 4: before they chose us. Like it was a weird kind

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Speaker 4: of like gluing together of the people that made the

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Speaker 4: top ten on our season, Like we we had each

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Speaker 4: other because they gave us cell phones we made and

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Speaker 4: we and everybody that was on the top ten I

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Speaker 4: had their number before we were in the house together,

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Speaker 4: and it was it's just with it.

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Speaker 3: I think I might even had Josh's number, Clay.

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Speaker 5: I think we all. I mean it was really it was.

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Speaker 5: It's really interesting to kind of we both gone back

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Speaker 5: to the show in recent years and to see the

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Speaker 5: dynamic between the contestants now that they don't get along.

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Speaker 5: They do, but there's just not there's not this sense

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Speaker 5: of camaraderie. I mean, it's a machine, right, It's this

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Speaker 5: huge machine now and it runs smoothly like a machine.

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Speaker 5: But for that reason, the contestants. They don't have the

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Speaker 5: family atmosphere that we did. I mean, we actually ate

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Speaker 2: At this point, I think you're probably there's probably you know,

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Speaker 2: more of a societal technological sort of just you know,

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Speaker 2: as well, you know what I mean, Like when you're

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Speaker 2: thinking about twenty years ago, you know that's a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. I mean, things were much different than they

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Speaker 6: Right, we didn't have cell phones to occupy our time, right,

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Speaker 6: there was no And not only that, but I think

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Speaker 2: That's how we get our dopamine, by actual human interconnections,

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Speaker 2: you know, rather than worrying about TikTok or how I

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Speaker 2: that machine, you kind of lose yourself in that rather

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Speaker 4: And I think I think it was really genius too,

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Speaker 4: like we were really jacked up when somebody would leave,

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Speaker 4: have sit here or go to the Beverly Center. No,

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Speaker 3: That was a rule.

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Speaker 4: We couldn't have sail phones at the dinner table like

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Speaker 4: they were. They called us kids everywhere we went. Come on, kids,

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Speaker 4: Come on, guys, like I'm freaking twenty four years old,

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Speaker 4: Like stop calling me that, you.

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Speaker 5: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: What they were doing was programming us to, uh act

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Speaker 4: like family. So when they got us on camera, all

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Speaker 4: those responses the people leaving were real. And that's why

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Speaker 4: I think that was the genius part of the production.

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Speaker 2: So you think that there was actually psychology behind that,

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Speaker 2: there was science.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's just and that's me and my

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Speaker 5: But I mean, they don't they could get that done now,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think they, you know, they don't necessarily

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Speaker 5: that they did not want They didn't know what they

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Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, they didn't know what they were doing

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Speaker 5: when we were on the show reader they were still

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Speaker 5: figuring it out. The show had become enough of a

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Speaker 5: and they were figuring it out. Actually, after our season

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Speaker 3: With Bert Backrack, Ye is you can't pay for that,

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Speaker 4: There's no amount of money that you could offer somebody

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Speaker 3: We didn't have to pay anything. All we had to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.

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Speaker 5: Everybody was big time everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. So when going back just to your friendship

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Speaker 2: You know, no, I don't think I was play out

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Speaker 5: he'll ask me for recommendations. But we don't necessarily expect

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00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 5: the other to agree with us on anything. Even still,

439
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 5: and I think that there is a there's a great

440
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 5: benefit and a strength to not having unreasonable expectations for

441
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 5: the people who you are friends with or family with,

442
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 5: because it tends to be when you know, if I

443
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 5: expected Ruben to agree with me, or to want to

444
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 5: do our show a certain way, or to have the

445
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 5: same opinion of me, then when he didn't, I'd be disappointed.

446
00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 5: But because we are different enough, we know, okay, he

447
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 5: knows that I'm probably going to come out at something

448
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 5: a different way than he does, and it doesn't upset

449
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 5: him when I do. He just goes, well, that's playing.

450
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: So where do you guys, where would you say your

451
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: deep connection stems from? And then you know, the flip

452
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: side of that question is where do you guys sort

453
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: of butt heads? And has it gotten to a point,

454
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: especially when you're working together, you know what I mean,

455
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: Like when you're in close proximity like that, it can

456
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: go two ways. You know, it can be bang bang

457
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: or you can be all love or what I.

458
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: Think our deep connection stems.

459
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: Just like for me with any of my friends, there

460
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 4: are shared experiences like you know, like my best friend

461
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: and from childhood is our shared experience is church, so

462
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: that is you know, we like we uh everything our

463
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 4: friendship is based on happen in my home church. For

464
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 4: our deep connection is the experience that we nobody in

465
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 4: the world other than the other maybe twenty people that

466
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: have gone through the experience that we have and made

467
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: it to the end of that show together like the

468
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 4: way that we did.

469
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: But I'm just like with my own brother got rest

470
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: in peace.

471
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 4: He and I bumped hands on all kinds of stuff

472
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: and he's still my brother like that, Like us, having

473
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 4: differences of opinion doesn't change.

474
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: The familiar feeling that we have for one another.

475
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 4: Like I'm you know, I'm sure you and your siblings

476
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: have blowouts all the time and we will still go

477
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 4: to bat for them regardless.

478
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: Like that's just you know, like and and.

479
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 5: I am.

480
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: And this is one thing that I will say that

481
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: Clay and I are different in like I am a

482
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 4: I am a musician's artist.

483
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: Clay is a production artist.

484
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 4: Right, so most of the things that I care about

485
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: happen on the level of musician, and the things that

486
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: Clay cares about happen on the production level of show.

487
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: So whenever we are bumping heads about a show is

488
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: usually always how to deal with music or music or

489
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 4: how to deal with production or something of that.

490
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: Next, right, so you on, you wan like a beautiful

491
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: stand up based solo, and then Clay wants pyrotechnics, it

492
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: would be something along.

493
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 5: Those lines, or or for example the last tour, you know,

494
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: just budgeting. I'm very nitpicky on those types of things,

495
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 5: and Ruben is very extra generous, and I'm like n

496
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 5: sot me. We have had some arguments that have been

497
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 5: heated over those types of things usually, but again I

498
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 5: go back to the fact that because Ruben's expertise is

499
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 5: in music, if it's musical, nine times out of ten,

500
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 5: I will eventually just say, you know what, that's his department.

501
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 5: And nine times out of ten he'll look at me

502
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 5: and say, well, you know what Clay handles, you know,

503
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 5: will handle the budget stuff or whatever that is the technically,

504
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 5: you know, the logistical stuff, and we'll eventually just agree

505
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: to disagree at some point, you know. I mean, it

506
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 5: comes to down to it comes down to the fact

507
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 5: that you can I mean, you can't make old friends. Right.

508
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 5: We're getting to an age now where we are seeing

509
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 5: some people who we care about pass away. We are

510
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 5: we're watching as family and friends who we've had for

511
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 5: years moved to another place or or whatnot, and it

512
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 5: just it becomes so much more important, I think, to

513
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 5: all of us as humans. I mean, I think we

514
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 5: all have sort of a homing device in us. At

515
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: some point, we want to get to an age where

516
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, we care about going to our

517
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 5: high school reunions which we never cared about going to before.

518
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 5: We care about finding out talking catching up with that

519
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 5: person from church when we were a kid who we

520
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 5: haven't spoken to in thirty years. And I think for

521
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 5: Reuben and I it's just and not just a but

522
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 5: so many other people. I think when you get to

523
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 5: a place, you realize they're only, like you said, so

524
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: many folks who remember what it was like twenty one

525
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 5: years ago to experience what we experienced, to go through

526
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 5: those things. And I have neither one of us have

527
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: any interest in losing the ability to reminisce about those things. Right,

528
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: So we'll call each other up sometimes because we have

529
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: it and I just remembered such and such, or I

530
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 5: just talked to so and so from twenty years ago,

531
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 5: can you believe this? And after a while, there are

532
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 5: few people in your life who you can go for

533
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 5: I mean, Reuben and I haven't gone for that long

534
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: a time without speaking to each other. But there are

535
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: people who you can go for weeks without talking to,

536
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 5: but when you pick up the phone it's like you

537
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: hadn't been away out.

538
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: Those are like all my friends.

539
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 5: We are at that point. You know.

540
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: What about vulnerability? You know what I mean? Like, are

541
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: you guys able to like be very vulnerable with each

542
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: other and emotional and talk about those kinds of like

543
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: deeper feelings or issues that are going on in your

544
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: lives or your wives or your husbands or whatever it is.

545
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because you know I deal

546
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: with that. Just to preface that question. As a male,

547
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: vulnerability has always been difficult for me, especially with females,

548
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: Interestingly with my mother, with my sister, with my wife,

549
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: It's been difficult for me to just talk about how

550
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: much I love them and how I feel about them.

551
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: If I had to say, hey, you know, I just

552
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: want to tell you how much you mean to me

553
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: and how grateful I am for you and all of

554
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: these things, I feel like I want to go away

555
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: hide under a rock. Now that goes into my own psychology,

556
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: you know, which if we had another podcast episode I

557
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: could get into. But you know, learning to be vulnerable

558
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: and opening up was dea only something difficult, you know

559
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: for me as a man.

560
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever had an issue with telling

561
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: the people that I care about how much I care

562
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: about them. And I say this because I was around

563
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: very masculine men that were cool with being that way.

564
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: My grandfather.

565
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: When he loved you, he loved you like I mean

566
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: like and I mean he wanted to hug you, you know,

567
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: shake your hand like. My grandfather was, you know, that way,

568
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 4: and subsequently it made all of his sons that way.

569
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: So like my uncles will.

570
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: They will beat your tail period. But if the love you,

571
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: you will know it, you know what I mean, Like,

572
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: if my uncles would love you like, you're going to know.

573
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: And I feel like all of us boys that have

574
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: grown up around that have have benefited from being able

575
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: to tell our friends and family members, everybody that is

576
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: close to us how much because you know, like I

577
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: remember a moment before my brother passed away, he.

578
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: Said, you know it's it. Uh.

579
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: It was always refreshing to to know, like always know

580
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: how we felt about one another, you know what I mean.

581
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 4: And the great thing about having a sibling like him

582
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: is because you know, I'm my mama's baby, and so

583
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: I always had everything I wanted, never really forced to share.

584
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: And my brother was like, oh, no, like you gonna

585
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: you're going to share with me. You're going to like,

586
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to make you do the thing. And he

587
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 4: and I told him this before. I said, you made

588
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: me better like he made me in every aspect because

589
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: even like in football, having him as my older brother

590
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: made me more competitive because I was always trying to

591
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: beat him, so nobody around me like like that was playing.

592
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: I never felt like I would lose to them because

593
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: I was always not competing with them.

594
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: I was really trying to beat my brother.

595
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: Honestly, what made me want to beat Clay even more

596
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: is what my brother said, ain't no way.

597
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: You beating that white boy. That's exactly what my brother said.

598
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: He thought he Kevin was definitely my biggest fan. I

599
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: appreciate it.

600
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so funny.

601
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 4: And it was like and I could and now that

602
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: I look back on it, maybe that was like my

603
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: brother like little brother psyching me out.

604
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: M h.

605
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: He knows like he knows your competitives. You have a competitors.

606
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: How you're a baller, right, you've played football?

607
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything he ever told me, I wasn't gonna do.

608
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: I ended up doing when you lost. Was it even

609
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: a thing?

610
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 3: You know a little bit.

611
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: I had seen the card before we walked out on stage,

612
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 5: so I knew you did. Yeah. Ryan had turned around

613
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: and I had seen the name. Was I mean, Ruben stuttered.

614
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 5: It's a lot longer than Clay.

615
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 3: I can.

616
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 5: But if you go back and look, I'm actually staring

617
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 5: at Ruben so intently in that moment. But I know

618
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: he was like, what the hell is wrong with you?

619
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: Because I wanted to see his reaction. I knew that

620
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: he had won, and I wanted to see it.

621
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: And so no, no, no, you said it's you and

622
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: I said shut up.

623
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: Oh I did tell you. Yeah, I ruined.

624
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: And I said shut up.

625
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 5: I ruined these.

626
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: He couldn't hold it in anything you don't want no, no, no, Well,

627
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: let me get into the masked singer and then I'm

628
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: gonna let you guys go. But before we get into that,

629
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: I just want to get into that. How the living

630
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: situation more like, were you guys and where were you living?

631
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: Was it close quarters? Was it you know house? He

632
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: did a big house and so and everyone got along.

633
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean did you just as as siblings would.

634
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 5: I mean we simply bickered. I mean once in a while,

635
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 5: but no, everyone not only didn't. I wouldn't say they

636
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: were clicks.

637
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: No.

638
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 5: There was a hallway of dressing rooms that had three

639
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 5: dressing rooms on it, and they tended to just we

640
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: tended to kind of group together. Reuben and Ricky and

641
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 5: Charlie would hang out in the and would hang out

642
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 5: in the front when some of the girls would hang

643
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 5: out in the middle, and me and kim Lock would

644
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 5: sit in the back and we'd all watch Young and

645
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: the Restless being taped on the others on the other set.

646
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 5: But they were never they were there. Really weren't any

647
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 5: clicks at all. I mean we we all kind of

648
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 5: shelled together. Obviously. There were some people Ruben and I

649
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 5: stayed in touch completely. Kim Berley Locke and I where roommates,

650
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 5: became roommates after the show was over, and there were

651
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 5: some people who probably had a stronger bond, But there

652
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 5: was no one who didn't get along or and I

653
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 5: would tell you because I ain't got trouble spilling spilling tea.

654
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 5: But so nobody didn't get along. We got along and

655
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: and and we really were I think it was just

656
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 5: like drinking from a fire.

657
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: Hose, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

658
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 5: We didn't have tom to get into fights with each other.

659
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: Look, you can't. It's hard to seeing what Idle has

660
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: given you, guys, you know what I mean, just as

661
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: far as experience, as far as situations to work with

662
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: some of the greatest legends of all time, you know,

663
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: advancing your careers, bringing your friendships close. You know, you

664
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: can't really knock Idle for anything. But I mean, was

665
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: there any dark side to it in the sense of like, man,

666
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: they're they're running us ragged, or like this, you know

667
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: this is too much? Or you know, was there anything

668
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: like that? We didn't know to know that it was

669
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: too much, Right, You're like this, I guess this is

670
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: just how it's done.

671
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we didn't. We didn't know, Like we just

672
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 3: thought it was par for the course.

673
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: Honestly, like having other experiences on other shows, I was like,

674
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: oh man, they chilling over here, right, I did?

675
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: We did?

676
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 7: We now look at people complain about things and I'm like, wait,

677
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 7: we didn't even have an union then.

678
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so this I've had friends who've been on it.

679
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: It looks fun as hell. I've actually asked. I've been

680
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: asked to do it and I said yes, But then

681
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: I was doing a show. I was doing a series,

682
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: and they couldn't clear COVID protocols at the time. But

683
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: I was very excited because if you guys don't know,

684
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: I have an incredible.

685
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 5: Voice, we can tell.

686
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah it's you know, I could I could like let

687
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: me just let me, let me, let me break something

688
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: out like ooh yeah, oh baby, paper baby. Yeah, Okay, ready.

689
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 5: He does have a voice.

690
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: Lately, I've had the strangest feeling.

691
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 5: Having a strange feeling right now.

692
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: When I asked you all the thoughts you're keeping, you.

693
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: Probably would you probably would win math Finger because they

694
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: have no idea.

695
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be able to guess, right, no, exactly.

696
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: So you know, it's an instrument that I just keep

697
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: quiet because honestly, no one wants to hear it. But listen,

698
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: masked singer.

699
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: What was that like?

700
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: You guys get to do your ship together, which is

701
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm probably super fun, and then more importantly putting on

702
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: those outfits, like, holy shit.

703
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 5: It was cool.

704
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: I will say that it was cool other than you know,

705
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: somebody I know, getting on everybody's nerves.

706
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 5: How in the world did I get on anybody's nerves?

707
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: I mean, we're getting cut, that they are were.

708
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: That's because I have experience getting cut and you don't.

709
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 5: If you had experience getting cut, you would have known it,

710
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: you would have sensed.

711
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: It like me.

712
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: But I'm were you were you being the negative Nelly

713
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, we're done, we're never going we're

714
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: not getting well.

715
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 5: It wasn't negative. I knew exactly when we were going home.

716
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: I could tell. I just smelled it on that end,

717
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 5: and it was that day. I know, I drove him

718
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 5: up the wall. But I was just trying to prepare

719
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: you because I was an expert. I knew I did

720
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 5: you know. I just I could just I could smell.

721
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: I could feel it in the air. There's something you know,

722
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 5: like when it's about the rain and your ankle starts hurting.

723
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 5: I could feel it.

724
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: It was like that.

725
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 7: Although I will say we both were probably tired of

726
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 7: those costumes, it was it was It's a very weird experience, right,

727
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 7: And like I mean every other TV activity, anytime anything

728
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 7: else you film, there's a community, right, But with this

729
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 7: you have your You have one producer that is yours,

730
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 7: You have a vocal.

731
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 5: Coach type you know, helper to that is yours, and

732
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 5: you have dressers that are yours. And you don't see

733
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 5: nor do anyone else see you the entire time you're there. You,

734
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 5: I mean, it is, it is sort of I'm I'm

735
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 5: so happy that we did it together because otherwise it'd

736
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 5: be very lonely. I would imagine anyone else at all.

737
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: I have a friend was completely Yeah, I have a

738
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: friend who did it. I guess. The dressing rooms was

739
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: there's a curtains and shit right like where you can

740
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: kind of hear. And this person made it and the

741
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: other person kind of didn't. Who's a singer, an actual singer.

742
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: And she went off like crazy about my my friend

743
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: making it and she and he can hear the whole thing.

744
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: You know, it's very very very well.

745
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 5: They've changed those rules now now now those stress rooms

746
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 5: are stared up apart. You don't even get to hear

747
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 5: or see anybody. Oh really, yeah, who's around you?

748
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

749
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 5: We couldn't hear anything at all.

750
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: Oh good, Okay, I still don't know, but I could

751
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: kind of feel that though, because, like you, I got

752
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: a little tight when I.

753
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: Heard like some of the singing.

754
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, we got cut. Yeah, well so

755
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: so I'm.

756
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 5: Going to tell you. I mean, since this is airing aftwards,

757
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 5: I know exactly. I know why we got cut. I

758
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: knew why. I could see it coming. We were beats, right,

759
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 5: we were the beats. We had these huge beats over us.

760
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: And these costumes were cumbersome, to say the very least.

761
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 5: They were. They were not the easiest things to get

762
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: around in. And and we had done We've done very

763
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 5: well as vocalists. I would argue Reuben that we might

764
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: have been the better singers of everyone. However, that last

765
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 5: that last showdown at the end was so much about performance,

766
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 5: and we couldn't see where we were going. We had

767
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: no I couldn't. We couldn't see our feet. And even

768
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 5: if we could see our feet, you can't dance when

769
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 5: your entire body is a beat, just orbs. There was nothing.

770
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 5: We could move our hands a little bit and nothing more.

771
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 5: The other the other person who who made it past

772
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 5: us in that round, you know, had this pop and

773
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: lock thing going on, I would have voted for him too,

774
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: because they were you know, we just got we got

775
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 5: screwed into our into our big old beat.

776
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Well because its voices, right, it's not all about voices.

777
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: It's about the whole performance. And you're right, see here here,

778
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: here's the thing. If I was choreographing you, I'd play

779
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: into that, meaning I wouldn't try it. I'd be bumping

780
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: into each other on purpose. You know, we get that

781
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: even on accident. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

782
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: Like the cost and we need.

783
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 5: To put him in a beat and see how much

784
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 5: he could choreograph. You couldn't move around this feat. Then

785
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 5: you couldn't move at all.

786
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying.

787
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 5: Our eyeballs, the eye holes for the beats were down

788
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 5: at our stomachs, so we couldn't see out. It was.

789
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 5: It was. It was a brilliant experience and I don't

790
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 5: don't think either one of us would complain. It was

791
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 5: fun to do.

792
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: But uh, but well the other thing. The other thing too,

793
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: though is you know you get paid as you move on, right,

794
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: so so there's a monetary you know, reason why you

795
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: want to keep going. And that's where the competitive nature

796
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: comes in as well, you know where it's like, well

797
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: fuck man, if I if we move on, we get

798
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: we get a little more cash.

799
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 5: Well, fortunately for Reuben and I, we left that show

800
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 5: the night we got cut, and we flew directly to

801
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 5: our back to our tour. So we were we went

802
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 5: right back to work. We were all the whole time

803
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: we were. It didn't it didn't hurt us too much,

804
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 5: but it would have been been fun. And and poor Ruben,

805
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: I've dragged him down because, like I said, I'm I've

806
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 5: lost two shows now three now, but I lost Idle

807
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 5: and I lost came in second on Apprentice also, and

808
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 5: it was just a matter of who's whose luck is

809
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: going to rub off on the other? Is my bad

810
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: luck going to rub off on Ruben? Or is his

811
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: good luck? You guys stronger, I'm sorry.

812
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: You one life, You one life, buddy.

813
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: You know.

814
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: Look, I'm I'm uh look, I'm an actor and approser

815
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: I need a job, all right, this this acting world,

816
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: in this world after the strikes and everything else. Man,

817
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'm hustling money. We're gonna get out of here.

818
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you guys, go I appreciate you, and

819
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: you know, keep it rolling. Are you guys done with

820
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: your tour?

821
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 5: By the way, we are, Ruben's promoting an album. Tell

822
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 5: him the album named Ruben?

823
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, give me what you got going the

824
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: way I remember it, he wrote some life. Oh really,

825
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: baby girl. Congratulations, congratulations. All right, guys, I appreciate you.

826
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Maybe we'll hang out down the road.

827
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 5: Thank you.

828
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Well there we have it.

829
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Solo interview by Oliver Hudson. Kate, what do you think

830
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: about that? Oh my god, I thought it was so funny,

831
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: Like Ruben was so great.

832
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

833
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing? How you know, how they became friends

834
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: and how you know, Clay came out the room and

835
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: he wasn't even know I know. I mean, oh my god,

836
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: like in the room and I winter, I wonder what

837
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: that must have been like. It's like probably so crazy.

838
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Like anyway, Oliver, that was so fun I know. Good

839
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: to see you, Kate, Yeah, good to see you too, Oliver.

840
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just changed characters in the middle

841
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: of my boys