1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Happy holidays everyone, and welcome inside with the Insider's Alongside 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Judy Batista, Andy and rapaport, I am Tom Pelaicero. A 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Monday podcast edition of the show, wrapping up the entire 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: weekend around the NFL, one that had a ton of 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: playoff implications. Let's just jump right into it here on 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: the NFC side of things, going all the way back, 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: of course, the Thursday night, it was the Seahawks that 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: wrapped up their spot in the playoffs. The Rams had 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: already clinched their spot with the Seahawks right now would 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: be the number one seed. The Bears got in by 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: virtue of their part owner Aaron Rodgers victory over the Lions, 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: as well as the Bears win over the Packers the 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Eagles right now, I find this fascinding. The only team 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: that is in first place that won their division a 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: year ago right now. The other seven did not win 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: their divisions. The Panthers took a step forward to the 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: win over the Bucks and then pending the results as 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: we record this of Monday night football tonight, we could 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: have some additional teams into the playoff field. But let's 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: back up here for a second. Judy, as you look 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: at this NFC playoff field right now. We've talked about 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: it over and over on this show on The Insiders 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Where there's not a true dominant team, 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: I still would kind of argue that's true. But you've 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: got a bunch of really good teams that seem to 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: be peaking at the right time. 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: You've got a bunch of really good teams just in 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: the NFC West. I mean, look at the like we're 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: still well in the case of the forty nine ers, 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: they still have three games to go, and you've already 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: got three three NFC West teams into the playoffs. You're right, 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: I think the teams that I'm certainly I'm impressed by Seattle, 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: no question, to take down the Rams the other day. 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: It was a crazy game. We can talk about the 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: d I mean, it was just nuts. Look, I was 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: impressed by the Bears. You know, that was as big 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: a game as they've played at Soldier Field in years, 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: years and years, and I thought that was you know, 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: I thought that was a big step forward for that 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: franchise and a big step forward for Caleb. So I'm 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: impressed by the Bears, and I'm curious to see how 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: far they can go, because the offense is still you know, 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: uneven and inconsistent, but they do seem to have they've 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: got it and they've got they're really clutch, like they 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: are not afraid when it comes down to the final minutes. 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: They just do not you know, quake in their boots. Then, 47 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: So I like the Bears. They're kind of fun. They're back. 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually an interesting playoff picture too. 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 4: I mean, the Bears have been awesome and the Seahawks 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 4: have been I mean, I know they were good last 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: year even though they didn't make the playoffs, but they're 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: have really taken a step forward. And you know, all 53 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: the people in Seattle were so optimistic about the kind 54 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: of leader that Mike McDonald is, and it's. 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: Like I thought so too, but you never quite can tell. 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: And then you see it this year and it's like 57 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 4: them and the Chargers have been the like quietest, really 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 4: good teams, just marching along beating everyone. The crazy thing 59 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: to me is how set everything seems right. It's like, 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: if you look at the picture, there's really probably really 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: only one team that's in doubt, right, it's really the 62 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 4: NFC South and everything else. 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: You're sort of like, all right, we probably am in. 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: The lines probably are out, and everyone else is probably in. 65 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 4: And then the NFC South, it's like who knows. But 66 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: it's weird because you know, we love drama. And then 67 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 4: you look at the games the last two weeks this season, 68 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: and there will be drama and we'll be exciting and 69 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: they'll be seating and everything, but you're kind of gonna know, 70 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 4: with the exception of maybe two teams total, who's in 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: and who's not. 72 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: Which one makes. 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: It like, all right, that's annoying you to get down 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: the stretch, but it means the playoffs are going to 75 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: be as high powered as we have seen playoffs in 76 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 4: a long time. Like, these are some excellent team The 77 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: bad teams are also bad. 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: But you know the. 79 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: Fact that these are like the really good teams is 80 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: pretty awesome. 81 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: Wilson shouldn't overlook the Panthers. All year. It's been, as 82 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: we've talked about, this roller coaster ride of they've beaten 83 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: good teams, they've suffered some really bad losses. Although based 84 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: upon what the Saints are doing again yesterday, i'll bee 85 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: it against the Jets, those losses getting swept there doesn't 86 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: look quite as bad. I just think that it speaks 87 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: to I mean, if you think about this, how many 88 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: young coaches are on that list right now or young's 89 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: probably not the right works. Mcveig has been around for 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: nine years, he's still one of the youngest guys. Mike 91 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: McDonald in year two, Ben Johnson year one, Dave Canalis 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: in year two as well, a bunch of teams that 93 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: have kind of undergone these quick turnarounds contrasted with the 94 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: longer builds of Green Bay and San Francisco, the Rams, 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: of course, the Eagles is the defending champs. Then obviously 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: even the Lions and the who have been in this 97 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: position before but right now have some their work cutout 98 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: and need some help to be able to get into 99 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: the playoff field. Over on the AFC side, you have 100 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: some similar types of dynamics. You've got the first year 101 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: of Mike Vrabel and Liam Cohen. You know, Sean Payton's 102 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: in year three now in Denver, but it still feels like, 103 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, that's been a really rapid turnaround from where 104 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: they were. And then of course Jim Harbaugh with the 105 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: Chargers and Demiko Ryans has had the Texans in playoff 106 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: position three years in a row. One thing in talking 107 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: to people with some of these teams you're seeing on 108 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: both these listening the AFC and NFC. If you're going 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: to be a wild carter, if you're going to be 110 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: one of the lower first round seeds, what are your 111 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: ideal matchups? Judy, There was a long debate, maybe the 112 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: most intense one that we've had back in the spring, 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: about the idea of reseting the playoffs, whether that was 114 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: in the wildcard round, whether that was after the wildcard round, 115 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: but the idea being, if you're, let's say a nine 116 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: to eight division winner, you shouldn't be hosting a twelve 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: and five wildcard team. Well, that's exactly what we're gonna have. 118 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna win the NFC South, somebody's gonna win the 119 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: AFC North, and they're probably gonna be underdogs in their 120 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: home building when we get around to that second weekend 121 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: in January. 122 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: Right, And part of that conversation about the idea of 123 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: receding was you would only receed in the second round. 124 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: You would recede for the divisional games, not in the 125 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: wildcard round, which presumably you know, the wildcard round would 126 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: probably weed out some of the weaker teams that are 127 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: in the field. Yeah, except you know, like I in 128 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: this case, what you're looking at is the AFC North, which, yeah, 129 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: the record is not good, not as good. Let's let's 130 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: just assume that it's going to be the Steelers that advance. 131 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: The record is not as good, but you know, but 132 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: they have played some really good games. Like I don't 133 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: view the Steelers as like the weak link of the 134 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: AFC because they have they seem to they're very uneven, 135 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: but they do have good games. They're often seems to 136 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: be getting a little bit more on track. And like 137 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: I'm reluctant to just right off Aaron Rodgers in the postseason, right, 138 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I just still sort of feel like Aaron 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Rodgers gives you a chance even if everything looks ugly 140 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: and the games are sort of muckety. But like it's 141 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: hard for me to just light off the steel Height 142 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: and yeah, weird, right, But you know, I struggle with 143 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: just writing them off, Like, I mean, they almost lost 144 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: the game in Detroit, obviously became very very close to 145 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: losing the game, but the fact that they did have 146 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: a big lead on the Lions in Detroit in a 147 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: must win game like they've basically been in must win territory. 148 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Steelers now. They've been in must 149 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: win territory for like the last three weeks, and they're winning. 150 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 2: It's not pretty, it's probably never going to be pretty, 151 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: but they are getting it done. And so to me, 152 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: that sort of suggests like a resilience and toughness that 153 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: you can't just write off in the playoffs. 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Can we stay? Can we spend a second though on 155 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: end of that game, because that was the longest delay 156 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: I can ever remember, and I understand I read the pool. 157 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: For something that was actually simple and straightforward, right, Like, 158 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: it was not that there's OPI on the play, that's 159 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: the end. The outcome of the play doesn't matter. Yes, 160 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: there was a lot of stuff going. 161 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: On in terms of. 162 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: If there was let me ask you a dumb question, 163 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: because I'm pretty sure I'm right, But let's say there 164 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 4: was OPI and one second left, then it's a redo, right. 165 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 4: That's the issue was that the touchdown took the time off, 166 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 4: so therefore it wouldn't redo it. 167 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: That was It wasn't that what Dan Campbell's question was like, 168 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: he didn't know. 169 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 4: He thought they were going to replay which by the way, 170 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: the official said there's no replay, but I think what 171 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 4: he meant was no replay the down. 172 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: I think they I feel like the confusion and the 173 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: mayhem and even CBS seemed confused, was mostly about delivery, 174 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: how it was delivered, and and I don't want to 175 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: blame the officiating crew, but I feel like if you 176 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: lead with the the game is over. There is no touchdown. 177 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: There was an OPI instead of leading, it was a touchdown, 178 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 2: So then you're like. 179 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Yay, and then the turn off the mic, turn it 180 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: back on and though the touchdown doesn't count, just I 181 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: forgot the part of the most important part, no touchdown. 182 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: And then he says it's like even even I think 183 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: for us who like probably know the rules, you know, 184 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: you're really paying attention. Like even I was like for 185 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: a few seconds, I was like, well, who won the game? 186 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: Like wait, wait, so. 187 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: Good to hold on. We got Stacy coming on, so 188 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk more about that game with her. But let's 189 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: focus on the other side of that in the AFC North, 190 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: with the Steelers now very much in control that they 191 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: didn't even need to win that game. Even if the 192 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: Steelers were to have lost to and the Ravens won two, 193 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: it still would come down to Week eighteen. But now 194 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: there's a chance that the Steelers this week could end 195 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: up clinching. They either need a win or Ravens loss, 196 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: and they clinch, and Week eighteen becomes irrelevant, which the 197 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: NFL probably would not be big fans of, because that's 198 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: the obvious game two seventy two that I would like to 199 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: put primetouth. 200 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: Would probably be in primetime theoretically. 201 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: So, but two points on this one. Watching that Ravens 202 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: game last night, and I had this this sense of 203 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: deja vu sitting in my hotel room the Sunday of 204 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: Week one in Foxborough after watching the Patriots lose to 205 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: the Raiders, and there was that game between the Ravens 206 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: and the Bills where you're like, the Ravens are in 207 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: complete control, and all of a sudden Derrick Henry ball 208 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: security fumble that changes the entire game. You fast forward 209 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: fifteen weeks in the scene. As much as you don't 210 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: want to say like this is the story of the season, 211 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: like that gets cliched, This is literally the story of 212 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: the season. Again last night in a really big spot, 213 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: it's like just they're in control, they came out, it 214 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: was like, all right, here they go. He fumbles, it 215 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: flips the game. And then on top of it, you 216 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: have Lamar dropping out with a kind of nebulous, vague 217 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: back injury ian that now in perils him and his 218 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: availability on Saturday night against the Packers in a must 219 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: wing game. 220 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 4: So, first of all, the watching Derrick Henry fumble, he 221 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: is a he's a good dude. He is He stands 222 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 4: up when he makes a mistake and takes ownership of 223 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: what happened, and he treats things in such a good way. 224 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 4: And it's so frustrating to see him stand there and fumble, 225 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: and you know, God, like you can feel the game 226 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: completely change, and I think that sucks. I want to 227 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 4: so a couple of things like and then I have 228 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: to deal with an injury thing. 229 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: So excuse me for a second. 230 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: But the raven I feel like the Ravens and the 231 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: Bengals are in the same category of like, I wish 232 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 4: I knew what their season actually was, Like we're never 233 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: gonna know. I feel like what the Ravens season should 234 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: have been, and we're never gonna know what the Bengals season. 235 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: Should have been. 236 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: The Bengals looked like a freaking juggernaut yesterday, and they're 237 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: gonna miss the playoffs by a bunch. 238 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: And the Ravens missed the playoffs too, and Lamar. 239 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: Couldn't even finish because he got a stupid back bruise 240 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 4: on a play. I feel like we, not reporters, but 241 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: fans got cheated a little bit. 242 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 3: Because we didn't get the outcome we probably should. 243 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: And the playoffs are going to be awesome, especially if 244 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: the Steelers are in at Rogers with one more go 245 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: and Tom win with so much on the line. 246 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: Like it's going to be great. But I do feel 247 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 3: a little bit like we're gonna get cheated, which kind 248 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: of sucks. 249 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: But you know what, here, I just want to go 250 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: back to Derrick Henry because yes, that was it was 251 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: like got wrenching to watch him fumble again. Having said that, 252 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: he ended up having a really productive game and then 253 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't on the field, I know, in the last 254 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: two drives, and the explanation and the explanation from Harbag 255 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 2: was like, well, we're trying to rotate them to keep 256 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: them fresh, and but looking back on it, yeah, you 257 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: would want Dereck Henry on the field, But why wasn't 258 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: Derrick Henry on the field? Like he was running well, 259 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: he'd scored two touchdowns, Like, why wasn't Derrick Henry on 260 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: the field with the game and basically your season on 261 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: the line like that, I thought was very curious coaching. 262 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: Not to take anything away from the Patriots, because Drake 263 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: may was also awesome down the stretch, but that was, like, 264 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: I feel like there were a lot of things that 265 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: are just off about the Ravens this year, and that 266 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: little piece at the end of the game made me 267 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: wonder too. 268 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 5: We'll be right back with more on the inside. 269 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: Let's welcome in our Stacey Dales to the conversation. Who 270 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: is at one of I can't even call it the 271 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: wildest game of the weekend, but one of the wildest 272 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: games of the weekend. It was the Packers and the Bears. Stacy, 273 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: thinking back on it after the game, it almost gave 274 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: me twenty fourteen NFC Championship vibes, where the Packers have 275 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: what seems like an insurmountable lead that somehow crumbles at 276 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: the end, in part based on not recover an on 277 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: side kick. The fallout of it is it's the biggest 278 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: win that the Bears have had in I don't know 279 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: how many years you were there. Just take me through 280 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: the entire flow of that game on a night where 281 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure the Chicago's celebrated like they haven't in quite 282 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: a while. 283 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 6: Well as an absolute stunner. I mean, it was unlike 284 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 6: anything I've seen in quite a while. I think about 285 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 6: the twenty eighteen playoff kind of picture for the Bears, 286 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 6: and they had that great defense, but there's so much 287 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 6: faith right now in Caleb Williams. I mean they were 288 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 6: down sixteen to six basically towards the end of this 289 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 6: thing and rattled off all these points against a defense 290 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 6: that I thought was really good. Jeff Haffley had such 291 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 6: a good plan going into it. They blitzed a heck 292 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 6: of a lot more without Micah. But Caleb is just 293 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 6: doing this crazy thing this year. He's got six comeback victories. 294 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 6: When he needs a big play, he gets a big play. 295 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: Comeback victories. 296 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's wild links all quarterbacks actually, but it was. 297 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 6: I can't explain postgame, guys, you know how it is 298 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 6: when you're down there. It felt like almost like an 299 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 6: NFC championship. 300 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: To your point, Tom No, can you explain it? I 301 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: have almost never done it. Ian doesn't go to games. No, seriously, 302 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: he really wants to know what it's like I do. 303 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: It seems chaotic and crazy. 304 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, it is chaotic and crazy. It's like when you're 305 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 6: at an AFC or NFC championship situation and it's utter 306 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 6: chaos on the field. You don't know who you're interviewing, 307 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 6: you don't know who you're getting, you have not assembled 308 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 6: with the team. I was over on the Packers sideline 309 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 6: and I'm standing there at the end of regulation. I 310 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 6: am like ten feet for Matt Lafleur with eyeballs on him. 311 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 6: Shep Our producer will appreciate that. Whose family was there? 312 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 6: Shout out to Shep's fam. I'm standing ten feet for 313 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 6: Matt Lafleur and he's in constant communication with the official. 314 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 6: I mean, this guy is dialed in. And then the 315 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 6: walker touchdown happens and he does hit the celebration on air, 316 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 6: and Matt Lafleur had no expression and it was like, okay, 317 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 6: here we go to overtime, and then the onside kick happens, 318 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 6: and I could have sworn something popped in the universe 319 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 6: around Chicago, like it was that wild and then postgame, guys, 320 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 6: it was just a free for all. I mean, I 321 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 6: was thrown Colston Lovelin's coming towards me, he brings in 322 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 6: Tremaine Envins, and then DJ Moore's coming in, and then 323 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 6: Caleb's trying to come in, and then Caleb goes to Fox. 324 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 6: It was wild. It was an absolutely wild night. 325 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 326 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: I mean, the the one thing I would sort of 327 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: wonder and when and why I like having you on 328 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: and other people who go to games and are there, 329 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: is like the onside kick happens? Yeah, and did the 330 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 4: I mean it felt like watching TV like this thing 331 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: is over. 332 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: Did it feel like that in the stadium, Yes, it did. 333 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 6: It was as big a moment as when you remember, guys, 334 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 6: when Chicago went into Wildcat with Manungai early in the 335 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 6: game and goes way over his head, which was None 336 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 6: of Ben Johnson's plays are gimmick, because I want to 337 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 6: make that very clear. When he does something like that, 338 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 6: he does it probably forty times in practice that week, 339 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 6: like that throw to DJ Moore. They put that in 340 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 6: on Thursday to win to win that football game in overtime, 341 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 6: and they were hursted it perfectly in practice on Thursday 342 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 6: and DJ told me that's what we drew up, and 343 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 6: I knew as soon as Caleb looked at me that 344 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 6: was the play that was coming, and it did. It happened. 345 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 6: That's how strategic Ben is. So when that thing happened 346 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 6: with Manungai in the first half, it deflated the Bears. 347 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 6: They were a different team after it. But this play, 348 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 6: this play was like, Okay, they're going to win. It 349 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 6: was like a foregone conclusion they're going to win the game. 350 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 6: I mean, you just knew it. You could feel it. 351 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 6: And you could feel it because I was standing on 352 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 6: the Packers' sideline and I just looked down their bench 353 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 6: and I'm looking at some of the players and I'm 354 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 6: getting the eye rolls. I'm like, like, it was so 355 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 6: deflating on their sideline and so uplifting on the Bears sideline. 356 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 6: It really was a signature game. I mean, Caleb was asked, 357 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 6: after you guys, is this a signature win? And he 358 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 6: deflected it. He said, it's a big moment for us, 359 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 6: but it was such a signature win. 360 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: I think, well, I mean, I think if the real 361 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 4: problem for the Bears is like you're excited, but then 362 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 4: it's like this is starting to look like a team 363 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 4: that could be in it for I mean, it feels 364 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 4: to me like the Commander's team from last year, and 365 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 4: it looks a little bit like the Commander's team from 366 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: last year, which, you know, the Commander's team didn't get 367 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 4: to the super Bowl, but certainly they could have. Like 368 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: I don't know what the ceiling for this Bears team is, 369 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: especially if they're going to like be as physical running 370 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 4: the ball as they are and have the takeaways they have, 371 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: Like like, you know, this game is cool to celebrate, 372 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 4: but they could do so knowing that, like there is 373 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 4: a real possibility they're celebrating a lot better things later 374 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 4: in the season, which, like, you know, the other funny 375 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 4: thing is like and I know, Tom, you get this 376 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 4: as well, is like, you know, it's coaching season coming up, 377 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 4: and we talked for years about Ben Johnson being like 378 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 4: the can't miss guy and the guy everyone wants, and like, 379 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 4: I know, Ben is an awesome coach. Even I kind 380 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 4: of rolled my eyes a little bit because it's like, 381 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 4: how good can he be? 382 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 6: Pretty good? 383 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: How good can he be pretty good? 384 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: Well, let's take it over to the Packer's side of this, too, Stacy, 385 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: because There's a lot of things that happens around in 386 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: that game. One Josh Jacobs plays, but it is plainly 387 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: not himself. In that game, he has the fumble, he 388 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: doesn't touch the ball again, although I think he was 389 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: on the field on the hands team for the on 390 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: side kick. He got Christian Watson gutting it out. Then 391 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: Jordan Love gets hurt and Malik Willis is banged up, 392 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: finishes out the game. They've got It's not a short week, 393 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: but they play on Saturday again. The only way that 394 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: the Packers don't make the playoffs is if they lose 395 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: these last two and the Lions win their last two. 396 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: Where do you envision Green Bay goes from here. It's 397 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: going to depend a lot on who's available. But I 398 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: mean to your point, I mean that that was a 399 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: gut punch type of a loss. They'd be sitting pretty 400 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: right now and instead, you know, they got to find 401 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: a way in these next couple of weeks and try 402 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: to heal up. 403 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was wild because they go for 404 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 6: a season high one to ninety two on the ground, 405 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 6: running the football. I thought Malik Willias Willis was fantastic 406 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 6: and he has been fantastic under Matt Lafleur. It was 407 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 6: such an emotional week. I mean spending time talking to 408 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 6: the Packers leading up to that game. Frankly, Jeff Hathley 409 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 6: was probably tired of answering questions about how are we 410 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 6: going to replace Micah Parsons. But now the Jordan Love 411 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 6: comes in, and you know, I thought he was you know, 412 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 6: he wasn't great before the concussion, but the concussion obviously 413 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 6: is concerning. I mean, he was down and out cold 414 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 6: for a second, like it was a big deal. You 415 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 6: could feel it when you saw it, almost and they 416 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 6: obviously they need to finish these last two games out 417 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 6: with a bang. But Chicago's in control right now, I 418 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 6: mean in this division. Now they have to go play 419 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 6: San Francisco this week, so that'll be interesting. But the Packers, 420 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 6: you know, you brought up Josh Jacobs. I watched him 421 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 6: extensively in pregame warm up. He just didn't look right, 422 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 6: you know, he just didn't look right. And if he's 423 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 6: banged up, Emmanuel Wilson's been great, but you know, there 424 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 6: was a little something off with Josh Jacobs. He's so tough, 425 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 6: He's going to play through everything and I probably will 426 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 6: for the remainder of the season. But I think it's 427 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 6: concerning because quarterbacks now in concussion protocol and we'll see 428 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 6: how Jordan comes out of it this week. 429 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 4: And so the Packers have they have Ravens and then Vikings. 430 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 4: I was just thinking in my head, like, could you 431 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: sit Josh Jacobs a week? 432 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't know that you even could. 433 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if he could either, because I 434 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 6: think it's just too tight in the division And while 435 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 6: they're sitting there, are they not sitting in the seventh 436 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 6: spot right now? And obviously Detroit has to count on 437 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 6: them to lose. So I mean, we're going to see 438 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 6: this quite a bit all week this board in front 439 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 6: of us. But yeah, I mean in the hunt, you 440 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 6: have Detroit there. Detroit can't afford to lose another game. 441 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 6: Maybe green Bay has a little wiggle room, But do 442 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 6: you not play him against Baltimore? I don't think so. 443 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 6: I think I think he goes. I think Jacobs goes. 444 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 6: But the quarterback's more concerning. Good news is Malik Willis is. 445 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 6: He is. He's a cool cucumber back. 446 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: There making themselves some money. Come march to there. 447 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 6: Stacy, Yep, yeah, he is. He's you know, you look 448 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 6: at his numbers and he goes nine for eleven, one 449 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 6: hundred and twenty one pass yards, a passing touchdown. He 450 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 6: had a one forty three passer rating. He doesn't turn 451 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 6: it over, which is really good, and forty four rush 452 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 6: yards to complement it. So I feel like they'll be okay. 453 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 6: But you want Jordan Love in there, the way he's 454 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 6: been playing, how efficiently he's been playing. But going back 455 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 6: to the Bears, you guys, I haven't seen a team 456 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 6: quite like this in my time, and I've covered it 457 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 6: for a while, covering the Bears specifically, I haven't seen 458 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 6: a team this united, this together. The twenty eighteen team 459 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 6: had it, but there's a different vibe at quarterback from 460 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 6: trupis Key to Caleb Williams. 461 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: There just is so Katy. 462 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: I actually did not. I mean, look, it's a gut 463 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: punch that the Packers lost the game, but I actually 464 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: did not feel I thought the defense played better than 465 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: I expected given that they had just lost Micah. They 466 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: were playing they played most of the game without I 467 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: mean they obviously played without Michael Parsons. Josh Jacobs for 468 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: a lot of the game was not in there. Then 469 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: Jordan Love gets concussed, Christian Watson again was gutting it out. 470 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: He's clearly so I thought, like for a team that 471 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 2: is as injury depleted as they were, I thought that 472 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: was a pretty good showing. Yeah. Now, I mean if 473 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 2: Jordan Love misses the game next week or missus two games, 474 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you just don't know how a concussion is 475 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: going to go. That is very concerning. I don't think 476 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 2: you can have or to sit Josh Jacobs because the 477 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: Ravens presumably are still going to have something to play for, 478 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: so they are going to be laying all out whether 479 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: the Lamar is in there or not. I think, I mean, 480 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: the Packers have to do everything they can to just 481 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: win the games. 482 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: Stacey, you cover that whole NFC North closely. What did 483 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: you make of the Lions, the way that that game ended, 484 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: the way the entire thing played out, And now the 485 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: fact that a team that we've talked about for what 486 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: two three years now is being a favorite, if not 487 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: the favorite, in the NFC to go to the Super 488 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: Bowl is on the verge again barring two wins and 489 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: two Packers losses from missing the playoffs entirely. In twenty 490 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: twenty five. 491 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 492 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 6: I just felt like the Steelers were in control for 493 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 6: the entirety. I really did. I mean, the time of 494 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 6: possession was in their favor. They ran Oh my god, 495 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 6: they had two hundred and thirty on the ground. Every 496 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 6: time I turned around, there was a big gain, whether 497 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 6: it was gain well or it was somebody that was. 498 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Warren. 499 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 6: Warren had an unreal career, Like it was crazy. Every 500 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 6: time they were offensively, but Aaron still threw it a ton. 501 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 6: I mean, Aaron played. Aaron is playing really well. I 502 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 6: think that's a conversation that you know, they've won three 503 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 6: in a row and Aaron Rodgers is playing as efficiently 504 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 6: as he has in recent years. I mean, what he 505 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 6: you know, what do you have? Three passing touchdowns? Was that? 506 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 6: Am I correct on that? Or two or three? I 507 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 6: wrote it down earlier. 508 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: He's playing very efficient. I mean, it's the most efficient 509 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: football we've seen him. You're you're absolutely right yeah on that. 510 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: And it seems like down the stretch of these games too, 511 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: if you watch them at the line of scrimmage, it's 512 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: old school Aaron making checks and moving people around and 513 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: kind of playing the chess match a little bit at 514 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: the line too. 515 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: They're also getting chunk plays like which they had they 516 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: weren't earlier in the season when the offense was stagnant. 517 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: They're starting to get twenty yard plays, twenty five yard 518 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: runs like bigger chunk plays and that you know, that 519 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: gives the offense some momentum. The offense has looked as 520 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: good in the last few weeks as it has at 521 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 2: any point this season. For sure. 522 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, Judy, I mean each of their touchdowns was like 523 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 6: forty five yards or something like that. It was. It 524 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 6: was a really impressive. 525 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: Running back touchdowns. That is the weirdest stat that I 526 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: can remember, exactly forty five. 527 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 6: I agree. Aaron hasn't turned it over in five games. 528 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 6: I mean, he hasn't thrown a pick in the last 529 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 6: five games. Yeah, it was, uh, you know, I'm and 530 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 6: raw for him to have it that that weird closing 531 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 6: to have two opis. It just was, it was this 532 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 6: is just not a Detroit team. I mean, Dan Campbell 533 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 6: said at one point this season like this is the 534 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 6: year We're just going to have to grid everything out, 535 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 6: and they have nothing has come easy again. They're just 536 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 6: completely ravaged by injuries to their defense. So it's not 537 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 6: their years it Unfortunately for them, it just hasn't been now. 538 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 6: They can't afford to lose and they have to have 539 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 6: somebody help them out. They have to the Packers lose 540 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 6: in order to get into this thing. But I give 541 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 6: a lot of credit to Mike Tomlin, by the way, 542 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 6: shout out to Mike Tomlin. It was Did you guys 543 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 6: notice him coming off the field with Ron? 544 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 3: That was great? 545 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah he does that every game. Yeah, yeah, that's every game, 546 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: said Judy. 547 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 6: Thank you, because like that was such a cool moment 548 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 6: for him to be kind of celebrated by these two 549 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 6: future Hall of Famers and two hundred career wins. Hitting me, 550 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 6: He's not going to Penn State anybody, Like, what. 551 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: Are we doing? 552 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: Stacy? Yeah, thank you very much for being here. Appreciate 553 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: your perspective. As always, you have a lot of NFC 554 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: NORS teams to cover in the playoffs over these next 555 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: several weeks. 556 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 6: But for Jim next this week ago, I'm Indy Jacksonville. 557 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 6: I think so. 558 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: Another potentially very interesting one with one of the hottest 559 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 1: teams in the NFL right now in the Jaguars. All right, 560 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: we got part two. If you're watching this on the podcast. 561 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: Go over to part two if you're on YouTube, if 562 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: you're watching on the NFL channel on fast streaming platforms, 563 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: just stay right here. A lot more insiders to come 564 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: for Stacey and Judy and Ian. I'm Tom, will see 565 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: you there.