1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: back together here. Buck. How you doing man, Man, I'm good. 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: What's going on? How you doing the frenzy? Man? We've 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: got We've got free agency frenzy. So I laughed because 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: we kind of put together a rundown for what we 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: wanted to do on the show today. And then as 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: we start, it's just click, refresh, refresh, refresh, and we uh, 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: we see all these new moves that are taking place, 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: like literally from when I just started this to uh, 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: five seconds ago. On on Twitter, Rappaport just tweeted out 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: the Bears are expected to sign the Bengals DT Larry 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: ogen Job, who's a really really good player. Just one 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: of numerous moves that we're going to get into here today. 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: We're also speaking of defensive tackles. We're gonna have one 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: of the best in the in the business here. Cam 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: Heyward from the Pittsburgh Steelers is gonna join us. Looking 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: forward to chatting with him, and we can we can 19 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: always ask him about his new quarterback, Buck, because that 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: news just came down that Mitchell trip bisk Your tar 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: heel is headed of Pittsburgh. Wow, that's a little that's 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: a that's a very interesting move. Um, guys, so now 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: they have three guys in the room. Well, I mean 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the starter. I mean he's coming. He's 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: only he's going there to start. He's gonna be I mean, 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: I would think I would think he's there. That made 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: least some heard feelings. Mason Rudolph in the crew, Dwayne Haskins. Yeah, 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: but no, I think it's a good move. So here 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: here's why it's a good move. I've uh I felt 30 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: like this is and we've talked about it. This being 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: the ultimate reset for the Steelers. I think the Steelers 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: are going back to the original identity. Sometimes when you 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: have a franchise quarterback for so long, the team more 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: away from what the identity of the team is and 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: more into the identity of the quarterback. And what we saw, 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: particularly the last decade with the Steelers under Ben Roethlisberger, 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: it was more of an offensive centric type deal with 38 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: the passing game and those things. I think this is 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: a chance for Mike Thomlin to go back and kind 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: of re established how the still zone go for the 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: next five or so years. So defense being strong with 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: new ideas from Cheryl Austin and Brian Flores. Offense maybe 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: getting back to the ground attack, and maybe some creative 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: run game with um, you know, like Naji Harris and 45 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Mr Drobiski being able to do it and in Matt 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 1: Canada being able to kind of put his own identity 47 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: on this offense. I think it's a new era for 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh football. So I think this is kind of an 49 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: underrated point and you just you just brought it up. 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: I want to get to that because, um you talked 51 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: about some creativity with the run game and Trabinsky, you know, 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: for whatever you think of him as a pastor. First 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: of all, if you go back to that season, his 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: his second year in the league, they go he goes 55 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: eleven and three as a starter. Um, he has twenty 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: four touchdowns, twelve picks, but also ran the ball pretty well. 57 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: So this is somebody's very athletic. They talked about wanting 58 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: to get more athletic. I I kind of advocated at 59 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: the time that they should have used him more in 60 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: the run game in Chicago because he can really run. 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: And I think now if the Steelers wanted to get 62 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: more athletic. I think Dr Biski gives them that, and 63 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: I think it's not just his ability to extend and create. 64 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: I think you can make sense some design quarterback run 65 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: game there with naj you know, I think some of 66 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: it had to do with Mr Drabinski. Maybe sometimes we 67 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: can get our own head and how we think the 68 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: quarterback position should be played. I think the year in 69 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: Buffalo allowed him to see that the quarterback can can 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: be a few different things. He doesn't have to just 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: be this pocket pass that everyone talks about. He sat 72 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: and watched Josh Allen utilize his legs. Josh Allen was 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: basically their lead runner, and so maybe he steps into 74 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: that and becomes more of an instinctive player who takes 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: advantage of his legs and his athleticism and mobility to 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: add a dimension to the running game, to do some 77 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: of his own read and quarterback designed rus to make 78 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: the game easy for himself. Because we can talk about him, 79 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: I think now there's a great appreciation for Mr. Rbinski 80 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: after seeing what the Bears offense looked like without him. 81 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I think there's certainly some things that the Steelers can 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: do to enhance his skill set and allow him to 83 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: play winning football without having to be drastically different than 84 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: the ways he was when he entered the league. Yeah, 85 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be I mean, much different look to that offense, 86 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: just completely different. Um. I'm curious to see how much 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna put him under center, um versus you know, 88 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: Ben was so comfortable just setting back up there in 89 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: the shotgun and sitting in his rocking chair and throwing 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: the ball. I think not only is uh we talked 91 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: about the design quarterback brund game, it is going to 92 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: help out a offensive line that played a lot of 93 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: young guys that very uneven, little up and down. But man, 94 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier now when you know that quarterback 95 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: is not going to be in the exact same location 96 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: on every single snap. It makes your pass rush playing 97 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: a little more difficult from that standpoint, book, Yeah, it does. 98 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: And I think people have to understand mcannon has spent time. 99 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: Uh he was offensive coordinated at Wisconsin under Brent Bilma 100 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: years ago. I was at the big En Championship game 101 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: with Melvin Gordon ran four million yards running jet sweeps 102 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: and those things. And so he has the under center 103 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: game in his bag. He also has it with the 104 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: creativity that we've seen from the Rams and and those 105 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: things with the fly sweep motion and jet sweet motion 106 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: and that stuff. So it is about finding a way 107 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: to make the game really easy for the quarterback. And 108 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: the one way that you can do it is by 109 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: putting them on the move bootlegs uh from understanding design 110 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: quarterback run r PO type stuff UH in the shotgun, 111 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: utilizing all this stuff to really make sure that the 112 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: quarterback UM is playing the game in a in a 113 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: fashion that's really easy for him to flourish and throw. Yeah, 114 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: I want to I want to get to the theme 115 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: we've got here. By the way, Quandari Digs just resigned 116 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: with Seattle safety three years forty million. Um. You have 117 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: the Dolphins who have resigned one of their own, and 118 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: Emmanuel agba Um the Bears. You know we mentioned Larry 119 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: oken Job. You know what those teams have in common 120 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: now that Seattle has moved on from Russell Wilson as 121 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: they don't have expensive quarterbacks. So you're in these teams 122 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: with some with some space in some room be very aggressive. 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: So we're kind of I'm curious to see how this 124 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: all fits together because we just had Matthew Stafford, you know, 125 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: making a good chunk of money. He's gonna make a 126 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: lot more money with this new deal. It's gonna come 127 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: down pretty soon. Um. But you still see and that 128 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: that kind of change in avery. Well, you don't have 129 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: to have a rookie rookie deal in order to go 130 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. You can do it with a 131 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: high paid veteran. But this is a great example today. Man, 132 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: when you do have that quarterback who's not eating up 133 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: any space, You've got a lot of space to operate. Man, 134 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: you built up the team, You built up a team 135 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: like it should be a gradual transition, right. So, DJ 136 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: we talked about it, and that's one of the reasons 137 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: why I have advocated for a man played the young 138 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: guy early so you get all full or five years 139 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: to do it, because ultimately what you want to do 140 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: is you want to go five years under the rookie 141 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: deal where we got the All Star team, and then 142 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: if we have the right quarterback, the shift happens where 143 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: he begins to take more ownership of the team in 144 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: terms of playing style, and then we auction off some 145 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: of those other parts because we know we have to 146 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: pay him a ton of money. And when we pay 147 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: him a ton of money, that the dynamics of the 148 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: team changes. Um, this is what teams are doing. So 149 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: that's why you want to have the ricky quarterback, and 150 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: you want to have the ricky quarterback on the field 151 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: so we can figure out if he's good enough to 152 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: do it, because ultimately we got a hand up a 153 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: time to him and see if he can carry us 154 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: over the threshold while we have all these other beasts. Um, 155 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: all right, I want to get to another thought on that, 156 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: because you're talking about these young players and being able 157 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: to surround the young rickey quarterbacks. Um, oh gosh, who 158 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: was I just looking at now? There's so much stuff 159 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: happening so fast here. Buckets just go on and go 160 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: on and go on. Um, as I sit down here 161 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: and look at it, I totally lost it. Toy lost it. 162 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: I'll get back to it. I'll figure out. I'll figure 163 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: out where I was going on that. Um. We just 164 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: had Alex Cappa, by the way, signed four years, forty 165 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: million with the Bengals, so we knew, uh, they were 166 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: gonna aggressively address the offensive line. The first step in 167 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: that process has been done. There, so, um all, eventually 168 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: that that point will come back to me, Buck is 169 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: my brain resettles. But what do you think about the 170 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: Capital Well, I think Capita movies is what we talked about. 171 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: We knew that the Beings were not going to run 172 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: it back as is as presently constructed. They were not 173 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: going to do that, and so we talked about this 174 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: is an area of the team where you have to 175 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: address it in free agency and then you come back 176 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: and readdress it again in the draft. And so Kappa 177 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: gives them a guard, which they needed, and we saw 178 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: in big moments their guards had a tough time being firm, 179 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: and they gave up sex. And so now the Beings 180 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: are able to get a veteran, They're probably trying to 181 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: come back and get another one, maybe a center, and 182 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: then they will probably devote a couple of draft resources 183 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: to fortifying that offensive line. But they're not going to 184 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: go back and let the offensive line continue to be 185 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: an issue. Um So that's that's what I think. I 186 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: think it's also interesting, did you what we're seeing is 187 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: quick resigning of some of these guys on being the 188 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Emmanuel ODDA thing to me is really interesting because of 189 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: how much money. They're paying him sixty five million on 190 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: it for me and all the notice tremendous. We'll wait 191 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: and see what um job yet Yeah, like because that's 192 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: that's that's the big one. He said, to have sex 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: and just want the premier interior. Guys. I was told 194 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: by the way that I think it's d J. Jones 195 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: from the Niners is gonna get paid. Well. Um so again, 196 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: this is kind of fun. It's we're just literally updating 197 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: this as we go along, and it's just fun to follow. 198 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: I remembered my point by the way. It came back 199 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: to me after I got sidetracked by us. Wanted some 200 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: of this uh breaking news with the signings. Okay, so 201 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: we most quarterbacks. Man, go get as many talented people 202 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: as you can help me out, support me, maybe save 203 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: one because remember this, this whole storyline about Kyler Murray 204 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray wanting to get a deal done and 205 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals saying we're gonna be patient on this. 206 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: You know, maybe this is something that takes place later 207 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: in the summer. Uh you know, maybe this kind of 208 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: you know gets into training camper. Maybe they want to 209 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: push it out even a full year. The reason why 210 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: I think that there was a push to get that 211 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: done Buck is because now, look, they just paid James 212 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: Conner a bunch of money. They just paid they just 213 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: paid Zach Ertz a bunch of money. I wouldn't be 214 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: surprised to do one or two more of the things 215 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: than guess what. You go to Kyler Murray and say, man, 216 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: we're trying to help you out. Man, we're trying to 217 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: get all these players for you. But side note, we 218 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: don't have the money to pay you right now. We 219 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: gotta kicked that can down the road a little bit 220 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: and then we'll see how much hardball he wants to 221 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: play and if he wants to exercise some leverage. I 222 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: don't know that he has any. And you use baseball 223 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: if you want. But I think that this is can 224 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: you kind of see it. It kind of follow this 225 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: thing down that path. Hey, it's not it's not it's 226 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: not trying to help you not. I just need a 227 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: little time to kind of figure out what's going on 228 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: and this and that. Yeah, they're trying to kick the 229 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: can down the street. Because look, man, it was the 230 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: weirdest setiment events and incidents that we saw, Like Kyla 231 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Murry like he scrubbed his Instagram account. Then then his 232 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: agent comes out and talks about like I'm trying to 233 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: hold him hostage in terms of the deal, all caps 234 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: with the letter and those things, and so now what 235 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: you have. Oh, by the way, Steve Kim and Cliff 236 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: Kingsbury get extensions, So now they're firmly entrance to So 237 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: now everyone's not goingwhere. Oh on, let's wait a minute 238 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: for him, and let let's see what this looks like. 239 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think it kind of flips it 240 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: back and they will maybe play a little horriball with 241 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: Caylin murraya and they'll see, Okay, if you say you 242 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: don't want to sign this and you're, you know, so 243 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: frustrated with all the stuff that's going on, we'll keep 244 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: building up the team. And he's just got to see 245 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: what it looks like. I want to go back real quick, 246 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: and uh let me just look at this contract terms here. 247 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: Uh so with true bisky circling back real quick, Um, 248 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: we'll see it looks like it's a two year deal. 249 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: We don't have the money yet, right, but I think 250 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: the assumption is this takes them out of the quarterback 251 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: in the draft right, even though we had heard them 252 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: connected to Uhlikillis. So everything's if everything, if you believe, 253 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: everything kind of works in circles and comes back around 254 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: once upon a time, the Chicago Bears in the off 255 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: season and free agency, signed Mike Glennon to a three year, 256 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: forty five million dollar contract. The Bears are out of 257 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback market until they weren't until Mike Glennon showed 258 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: up at the draft party for the Bears and he 259 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: had to usher him out because they just took Mitch Robinski. 260 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: So Trubisky gets a two year commitment. I'm just saying, 261 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: like I hope for his sake that that they cleared 262 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: the run way for him and and he goes off 263 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: and has a great time and plays well for the Steelers. 264 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: But I would not rule out drafting a quarterback. And 265 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: it would be, man, you talk about ironic. Everything would 266 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: becoming full circle in Robinski's career because it could be 267 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: a blinking light right there, particularly to me, Elite, will 268 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: this thing. I'm gonna say this DJ. Maybe maybe I'm wrong. 269 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know like I thought the quarterback of the 270 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: comment I worked out well. Um, but I'll tell you 271 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: all of the quarterback activity from the Monday at the return, 272 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: maybe maybe my feeling and optimism about the class was 273 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: not met by executives because there's been a ton of 274 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: activity activity where people are really shoring up that position 275 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: that I don't know. We always talked about the quarterbacks 276 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: getting the bump in the draft. I mean, I don't 277 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: know if it's gonna happen this year. I don't know 278 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: if it's you know, because we always talked about like 279 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: it moves I men, it seems like people are just 280 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: really settling in and then then maybe they'll let the 281 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: just draft war fall to them as as as it breaks. 282 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: But the same field as they took. At least you 283 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: took the You took the urgency away from them, right. 284 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: You don't want to be in a position where you're like, man, 285 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: we only like one of these quarterbacks, and I don't 286 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: want to go into the draft pinning all my hopes 287 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: that that guy is gonna get there when I pick. 288 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 1: So you don't have Now you've got a guy, you 289 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: got a veteran you can play there. But maybe if 290 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: it's your one guy that falls there may maybe that 291 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: doesn't proud you from doing that. But um, I do 292 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: think it does tell you for the most part, these 293 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: teams aren't in love with this with this quarterback class 294 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: at all. L Larryogenjob by the way, three years forty 295 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: point five million, So that's a good number for him. 296 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: If you can get after pass, you can get paid. 297 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah that one year gamble daddy. He um bettered himself 298 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: with the Bengles paid off handsomely. Good. Yeah, yeah, good 299 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: for him. Um, all right, we are going to uh, 300 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna visit here with Cam Heyward on the other 301 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: side of that interview. We will update anything that happened 302 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: in terms of the signings while we're recording. This will 303 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: hit on the Tom Brady situation coming back to the Bucks. 304 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: But what we're gonna do right now, we're gonna take 305 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: a quick break and we're gonna come back with one 306 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: of the best defensive lineman in the entire league and 307 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: uh and chat and visit with Cam Heyward or the 308 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. All right, Buck sited to have Cam with 309 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: us right now. Cam, first of all, man, thank you 310 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: for taking some time for us. I know this is 311 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: a crazy day in the league. I'm just curious, like 312 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: what as a player, Um and you're looking at your 313 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: team and you're looking at your position. I would imagine 314 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: you're curious kind of what everybody's getting around the league. 315 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: What's a day like this like for you? Man? I 316 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: don't want to look at what people are getting. I'm 317 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: looking at what my team is getting, uh, and if 318 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: they can add to our team and hope the things 319 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: what we already have. Um, you know, it's crazy. You know, 320 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: every time you look down your front something is changing. 321 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: And I want to be president in this, but they're 322 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: probably some big things that you know, So can you 323 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: mentioned looking at what what is going on and what 324 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: people are getting in those things? To me, it seems 325 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: like there's been an explosion and the amount of money 326 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: that people are paying the guys up front on the 327 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, defensive tackles, edge rushers. Why 328 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: do you think we're seeing more teams commit more money 329 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: to those positions? Why is it so important to have 330 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: a solid front line? My think, first of all, you're 331 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: paying your quarterbacks so much money, right, You've got to 332 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: be able to stop them. And the best way to 333 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: stop them is either a corner who can you know, 334 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: defend every wide receiver or defensive lineman or a time 335 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: line after that is kicking by up front. Yeah, when 336 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: you when you speak of the quarterback position. One of 337 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: the big news uh stories, it just came down at 338 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: literally a few minutes before you popped on, is that 339 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Your team has a new quarterback. Mitchell 340 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: Drabinsky signed uh spent some time there with the Buffalo 341 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: Bills after his career got going with the Chicago Bears. 342 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: I'd love to get just your immediate thoughts about somebody 343 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: new joined the quarterback room here in Drabinsky exciting. Um. 344 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what the song entails, but 345 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, if we're gonna have a healthy competition at 346 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. You know you had a down hasson too. 347 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: You know Patties Dues last year. Um, Mason's been waiting. 348 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: Got to play one game as well. But then you 349 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: wear another guy in the mix, um that has had 350 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: a winning record at you know, Chicago Beggars, and then 351 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: have a year in Buffalo. You didn't play much, but 352 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: all three guys are capable of boy uh and made 353 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: one games in the NFL. So we're gonna have ourselves 354 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: a really good competition going forward. And we'll see who 355 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: comes out to be the best. You know, you guys 356 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: are having a ton of change. And on the defense 357 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: of the ball, you have a new difference coordinator who 358 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: has been there, Terrell Austin, and then you have Brian 359 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: Flores who comes over as a senior defensive assistant. Do 360 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: you expect it to be major changes to what you 361 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: guys have traditionally been or do you think those guys 362 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: will bring new ideas and add to what the foundation 363 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: has been established? Well, I think the foundation stays the same. Um, 364 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: we have a lot of returning players and I don't 365 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: think you will mess that up too much because there 366 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: has been a success there. But you know, having the 367 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: dirt a and a dialetic quote, both of them greatly 368 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: different ideas. Whether it's back there up front of and 369 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: um they both other experience being deefenpive coordinators. I had 370 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: a lot of success, So I think it's just only 371 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: hints is what we have. I know they're very excited 372 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: to get the work. Keith but Butler has been an 373 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: awesome for us over the years and look different ports 374 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: that he's creator. But it doesn't have to have a 375 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: part spacing it. You never got two of them. Um, 376 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: he has been around, but you know he's driving us up. 377 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm curious about, you know, what you think it means 378 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: to be a Steeler because when I was working with Baltimore, 379 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: we had guys that we always kind of thought were 380 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: raven type players. And then there wasn't much difference between 381 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: what we what we valued and what Pittsburgh value. And 382 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reason why it's been 383 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: such a great rivalry over the years. But you know, 384 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: when when you look at guys that have come in 385 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: there and have been that have fit culturally into what 386 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: you guys do, Like, how would you describe that? What 387 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: is what is kind of that ideal Pittsburgh Steeler? You know, 388 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: I think it's more substance over just look. Um. You know, 389 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: you can make a case that their social media is 390 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: taken over every locking room. But production has become the 391 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: big thing with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Um, they look for 392 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: complete players and look for character players. But I think 393 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: the big thing that stands out is UM, there's a 394 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: great and the toughness that goes along every position, and 395 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: I feel like, for the most part, the Pittsburgh Steelers 396 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: are very part of that Um, you know, whether it's 397 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: Ben Rods for breaking his news and continue to keep playing, 398 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: or you know, telor being uh, you know, not a 399 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: great catcher, but a great tackler and being able to 400 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: stop the run. Um, you know, having a guy a 401 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: Casey's hand that he's able to take on two to 402 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: three blocks and he's able to you know, not only 403 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: have a big not a big stat line, but you know, 404 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: able to affect the game and make sure those two 405 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: A gaps are sure enough. Um, there's all these different 406 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: things that are occagible like that you can't really just 407 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: measure just looking at a kind of just stats out there. 408 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: It's funny because now I wonder when you talk about 409 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: like the toughness of the Steelers, um, camp, if I 410 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: come to your team, can I can that be taught? 411 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Can I be taught how to be tough like a Steeler? 412 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: Or do I kind of have to have some of 413 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: that already in me? Um? You know I know that 414 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: some of it it's aren't already, but it can be 415 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: taught or we can break you into it. I think, Um, 416 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: that's one thing we really do you do, UM, we 417 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: will make you fit the mold there, make some guys 418 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: ever years that have done things differently, and especially on 419 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: the people of the side where I've tried to make 420 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: sure there's place series by the end of the season, 421 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: I say that I absolutely love that. Man. Hey, your 422 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: brother got a chance to see your brother at the combine, Um, 423 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: and he's one of the more He really is a 424 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: unique player because of all the different uses that they 425 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: showed with him in college. And you see him in 426 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: the backfield, you see him as a wing, you see 427 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: him in line, does all these different things. Um. But 428 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: I want to get to your thoughts on some of 429 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: these other defensive players this draft. But first of all, 430 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: I need your scattered report on your brother. Man. You're 431 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: gonna say I love it. I want your sales pitch man, 432 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: I love him. By the way, melt Tucker is a 433 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: good friend of both Bucky and ore So. And you 434 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: can't get a higher recommendation than than what he gave us, well, 435 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, than some for my brother. Um. I think 436 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: he helped transform Kynor in a more complete player. Um. 437 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: You know over his four years or shut a five 438 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: years now. But uh, he's played so many different positions 439 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: that he never saw it as an added plus. Now 440 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: looking at it now, it was the best thing for 441 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: um for being able to play running back, Um, and 442 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: play running back well to fullback, to tighten and to slot. 443 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: That is a mixture that doesn't come around offen. Um. 444 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: You know, in in high school Knda was a quarterback 445 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: as well, so you know it's just start too. He's 446 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: been prepared for everything. UM. But I think the thing 447 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: I love about Kyner Um, you know, he's he can 448 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: catch what he's at the best hands I think. But 449 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: I think about Yn't that really stands out, Um, it's 450 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: how fluid he is in his position. UM. I didn't 451 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: realize it until I got to see enough close. I 452 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: was on the sign when I'm during the combine and 453 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: he was I saw for a second he was like, man, 454 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: I had a bad forty times, which was a fourth seven. 455 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: I can think that was that at all. But you 456 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: came up to me and I'm I was like, just 457 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: followed in the in the position gerals. And then I 458 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: watched him through the position gerals and I get can 459 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: see how fluid and how he's able to catch on 460 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: the top of his head, and you know, it just 461 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: looks so natural for him. Um. And being able to 462 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: put him as a football player on that field. I 463 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: don't think there's gonna be many that are like him 464 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna be able to Um, you can essentially hide 465 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: him in different positions. Um. You know everybody's always that 466 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: third time then that pullback. So it saves you a 467 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: roster spot man that plays a big spot in the NFL. 468 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: But he really talks about that. But to be able 469 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: to have a bat who plays multiple positions goes along 470 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: like and I think Connor is gonna really ex seed 471 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: and sell at that level where he's able to just 472 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: play some of the different positions. Um, it's really going 473 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: to help the team that wants to go for you know, 474 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: twelve personnel to one or you know, five receivers, um, 475 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: and then slide him into a running that position. You know, 476 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: you can't do that a lot of guys. And you're 477 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: not gonna want to hear it, but I said it 478 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: on the air when he was working out. I said, 479 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: just mark it down. He'll be a Patriot like because 480 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: because because the Patriots, the Patriots will use they're exactly 481 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: like you said, they'll look at that as such an 482 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: advantage and as a team that morphs more than anybody 483 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: from one week to the next. He gives you that 484 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: flexibility to do all that stuff like they're they're gonna 485 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: appreciate that more than most teams, which is gonna piss 486 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: you off because he's gonna be a patriot man. Well, 487 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: but like for me as a player, I always look 488 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: at tendencies and I was the personnel and when you're 489 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: able to statize and different positions, that is the most 490 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: annoying thing as a as a guy who knows what 491 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: he's doing. Um, you know, because you can't just play, 492 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: you know the favorite place. They're able to do so much. Um, 493 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: it really makes you, you know, can It was funny 494 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: because you had an opportunity to watch all these guys 495 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: work out at the combine And so I'm gonna gonna 496 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: be honest with you, it seems like there's been an 497 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: evolution at the defensive line positions because these guys are 498 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. You just don't see 499 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: guys move around like that. So when you look at 500 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: the next generation of guys that are about to come 501 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: through the draft, what are your initial thoughts when you 502 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: saw them work out up in Indianapolis. Well, when I 503 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: saw them run. I was like, I need to think 504 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: that that whatever that is, and bring it back to 505 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: everybody's way too fast, you know, we Jordan Davis running 506 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: the court. I was like, man, now you're just making 507 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: slow old I didn't know what, but you know, these 508 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: guys just evolved so much from when I played, and 509 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: or I think I would say when I played, But 510 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: it's just it's cool to see, um, you know, the 511 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: difference in you know, and the real cool thing I 512 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: would say is, you know, I don't know, it's very 513 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: cyplical and what we go through and you get to 514 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: see guys involved and you can see try and start 515 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: to come back in m I know, anybody's going to 516 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: the smaller linebackers or the smaller offensive linemen and you 517 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: get these big tree trumps that really hit out. So 518 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: when Jordan d wind up against you know, two pans, 519 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: that's not going to be fair, but that's level. But 520 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: now it's so true. I want to ask you about 521 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: some of the other Georgia guys because it was one 522 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: of the one of the best groups from one school 523 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: that I've seen that I can't remember coming through Um 524 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: and gosh, you had you had dudes on your on 525 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: your team coming out as well. But when you look 526 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: at at somebody like a walker right to me, he 527 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: can do so many different things. They play him, playhim 528 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: on the edge, they kick him inside and let him rush. 529 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: She's got thirty five inch arms if you saw the 530 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: field workout. But he's so fluid and so smooth. But 531 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: what kind of what what kind of again? I guess 532 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to this theme of being 533 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: able to be more to pull in versatile. But having 534 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: somebody at two eighty pounds with that type of versatility, 535 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: what can that do for your defense? You know, I 536 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I've seen people saying he could play 537 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: end in the three four, and I'm like, the way 538 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: kind of scares me. I know, there's all the measurables 539 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,239 Speaker 1: of you know, third, but you know, to do that 540 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: for seventeen weeks, it's tough. But you know, you know 541 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: four Creek seeing he could play all the way down 542 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: a line. He's that versatil And you know, you look 543 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: at that Clemsing game. I thought he was the best 544 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: player out there. You know. Yeah, But one of the 545 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 1: other things I want to ask you about two is, uh, 546 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're the talk with Jordan Davis going back 547 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: to him real quick, keep the Georgia thing going. He's 548 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: a he came, he came off the field. He came 549 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: off the field on third downs. And my my answer 550 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: to that was, well, when you when you have Whyatt Davis, 551 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: who was the only other defensive lineman who tested better 552 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: than he did at the combine, shows you what a 553 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: freaky is. And then they've got a kid in Jalen 554 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: carr Or who's not eligible for the draft, who is 555 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: better than all these dudes. He's the top five pick 556 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: next year, already telling me that's the one. He's the dude. 557 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: He is the dude. But but my question then is 558 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: have you seen this in your experience? Just because somebody 559 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: might not be asked to do something doesn't mean they 560 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: can't do something. Yeah, you know, I think that's the commander. 561 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: You know, what have you done in college versus what 562 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna do in the pros? Um? I think with him, 563 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think it was like thirty percent you played, 564 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: But um, can he played? Until you know, Kenny played 565 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: the two? I shay, if he can do that, he 566 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: can be uh three player. Um, you know, I think 567 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: he might not be the starter in sub packages, but 568 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: he can provide a big big and hands it to 569 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: any team. I'm a guy like a team like Buffalo, 570 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: who you know, struggling to run to extent, but you 571 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: could bring that, Guys, there's no way that Waylands running 572 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: that ball like they did in that game where it 573 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: was the soball of Geradings so camp. So I need 574 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: to lean on your experience, um, just to help me 575 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: when I'm evaluating guys. So when you're evaluating defensive linemen, 576 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: what are two or three things that you're looking for 577 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: in that evaluation, Like, what are the traits that we 578 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: should be looking at when we're trying to determine the 579 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: good ones in the great ones? We're trying to separate 580 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: those guys at the top. Well, I think the first 581 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: thing for me is a short shuttle. Um. It's a 582 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a hidden thing. But if you can 583 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: really see if someone can move loudly and you can 584 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: see how well they track well, um, and then being 585 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: able to put their hips along with that broad up 586 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: is huge because I want to see you explode out 587 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: of your hips. Um. If you just sit back um 588 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: too much, you really don't get to see you know 589 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: that explosure out and you don't get to see a 590 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: guy really um, you know, set the line extreene and 591 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: that's what you're looking forth to defensive line. And then 592 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: the last thing for me a positions, um, and I 593 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: want to see what you get in college. You know 594 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: those two things, positions and what you get in college. 595 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: So in a game, um, you can be a workout warrior, 596 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: you can literally look like a Greek guy. But if 597 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: you don't, you know, dominate and make sure your pregnance 598 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: is known as a defensive alignment. I can't I can't 599 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: ride with you. You know, you know you see some 600 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: of these guys and I love it because a guy 601 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: like Jordan Davis, Mike and I held all the sets, 602 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: but you knew he was dominating games and a brief 603 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: single time he was on the field. And when you 604 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: can get that type of compliment, you know you're writing 605 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: for the next level. I want to ask you about 606 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: somebody we were just talking about the top of the 607 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: show who just got a good chunk of money, and 608 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: that's Larry Ogan Joby who you know I've watched him 609 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: and they played I do the Charger games, they played 610 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: them this year. So getting ready for that game, and 611 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: he's I don't think he really gets a whole lot 612 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: of love, a whole lot of attention. But what's your 613 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: take on him as a player. You know, I think 614 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: he got hurt that actually with Cincinnati at the end. 615 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: But I thought he was more one of the more 616 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: consistent guys. Even when he was with Cleveland, I thought 617 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: he was you know, I wouldn't say Batman in the 618 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: routine with Scarrett, but you know, they were like the 619 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: super Press. They worked together and they were very uh 620 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, uh, they pomp with each other very well, 621 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: very well. And you know he's got a good hands extension, 622 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: is able to be uh not only a player in 623 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: the run game, but you cant quarterback as well. I 624 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: want to ask you about another guy here because I'm 625 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, you guys see so much crossover tape. I'm 626 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: curious by the way. First of all, do you do 627 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: you uh when you guys vote for for Pro Bowl stuff? 628 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: How how seriously do you guys take that? And how 629 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: much do you guys really watch? I know in crossover 630 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: tape you're gonna see guys, but how much do you 631 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: really pay attention? You know, either in season or out 632 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: of season to what's going on around the lead your position, 633 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: I have to watch everybody say, um, you know, for me, 634 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: I like to only any like what they're doing. But 635 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: see how I can probably tots line. Um. You know, 636 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: voting on Pro Bowl is weird. You want to be recognized. 637 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: But the thing about it is some guys don't play 638 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: for so long that they're trying to not to get hurt, 639 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: so it kind of message up the game. Yeah. Yeah, 640 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of that where it's like, you know, 641 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: this player, he hasn't played since December. Now let's throw 642 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: him after in February to worry about. So it's like, 643 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: but I will say it was a guy that on 644 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: the old line who was talking a little bit of 645 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: jump because some of our outside linebackers at the ends. Um, 646 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: he had a long day that day. That was the 647 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: worst time to think a bottle and you know it 648 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: did not going to say a bit. Let me let 649 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: me ask you that real real quick then. So in 650 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: your opinion, i'd be curious your your career, maybe currently 651 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: or maybe all time, who who's the best offensive lineman 652 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: that you went up against that you go up against. 653 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: I would say the best officive linement is probably martial wrong. Yeah, 654 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: you know he was. He was just solid in every 655 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, every position. Um. You know, they never got 656 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: out of character, never over extending them stuff as a whole, 657 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: which is huge. If you get over extending yourself at all, 658 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: you've done you know, very even killed. I think they 659 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: have some player regard to senatory tackle. Um to have 660 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: the type of flexibility as a player is pretty plent um. 661 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: And I just thought he had a meeting straight when 662 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: you know they wanted to run the ball. They were 663 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: run about it there. Yeah. I remember when I was 664 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: in Baltimore, we drafted him and it was a situation 665 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: where we had already taken I believe we had taken 666 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: Ben Grubs in the first round, and it was like, man, 667 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: do we double down on interior line, Like this guy 668 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: is so good, Like I can't believe he's still here. 669 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: So so we took him. But there was a play 670 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: in college cam against their rival at Iowa State. You 671 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: can you can it on YouTube if you haven't seen already, 672 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: but it's like a it's like a reverse and appeal back. 673 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: It's one of the best kill shots that you'll ever see. 674 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: But like he was a killer on the field. Man. Yeah, 675 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: and then now you look at him now he was like, yeah, 676 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: a whole lot of tale. And now people are just 677 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: seeing the aplithect of what he is. Man. So I 678 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: gotta astually just before you let you go. Um, all 679 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback movement and all the quarterbacks we now are 680 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: seeing in the a f C, from Josh Allen to 681 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: then in the West, like in your division you talk 682 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow, you have Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, we 683 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: have all the guys in the West and Herbert Mahomes 684 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: and those things. When you're thinking about what the Steelers 685 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: have to do to get through it, how challenging is 686 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: it to deal with so many different A level quarterbacks 687 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: in the conference. I don't look at it, you know, 688 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: I look as a challenge that I get excited for 689 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: that challenge. Um. But it's not arter um. You know. 690 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: I think, Um, when you have a sean defense, you're 691 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: able to overcome some of that um, you know, towards them. 692 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: We starggled a little bit and top of the run. 693 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: But you know, as a the finger you have to 694 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: look for a lassos moments um, you know, having you know, 695 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: make un and t j um and then hopefully get 696 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: some guys back off the injury. I think that you know, 697 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: only prepares us for you know, the you gotta run. 698 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about the NFC North. You know, 699 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: the ANFC is full of really good quarterbacks. Um. But 700 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you want to get through 701 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,479 Speaker 1: the time, you're gonna have to go through them. Dude, 702 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: You've been You've been awesome. It's been fun to kind 703 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: of go on this little journey journey with you. Last 704 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: question from me because I won't go back to your 705 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: your college STUF Ohio State. Did you watch the Rose 706 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: Bowl this year? And have you ever seen anything like 707 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: jig but when he did in that game? Yeah, I 708 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: think our Rowell end twenty six to like seventeen. Ye, 709 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: but there's it's like, you know, the first half, I 710 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: don't even think I watched. I think I was seen 711 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: when you Spider making right. So I got out of 712 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: the theater and I saw the store and I'm like, 713 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: what is going on? How are we giving up this 714 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: many points? The defense? I don't have to stay. We 715 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: we take that very personally when we're giving that point, um, 716 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: And you know the first half they always think back 717 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: to that that Instagram video where he's like they got 718 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: us in the first half. The second half we were 719 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: ready and you know, I just love them magic. By 720 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: that game, I felt like he made every catch. Um 721 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: Stroud was putting on the money and like I was like, 722 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: once you got to leave, I was like, oh no, 723 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't starting to work and uh, you know it's 724 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: one of those classics for the mobile Rose goal. Um. 725 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the you know chwardsmen or 726 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: Big Young versus USC classic, but you know it's it's 727 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: pretty speccial. No, that's awesome, dude. This has been a 728 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: lot of fun. We gotta do this again. You have 729 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: absolutely a career in broadcasting after you're done, man, because 730 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: you just do this stuff. You do this stuff easily. 731 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: So I want to be I want to be on 732 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: that train. I want to be on the cam train 733 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: once once your once, your career is over. But you 734 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: got a long get a long time before then. You're 735 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: the best. You're the best, man. It's uh, it's been 736 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: great to catch up with there. We'll do it again 737 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: soon and good luck to to your Steelers as you 738 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: go through the rest of the off season. Thank you 739 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure, all right, Buck. How awesome is cam Man? What? 740 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: What a great dude and great insight from him today? 741 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: Is awesome to have him on there. Great insight. So DJ, 742 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: what you missed? Um doing the combine coverage. Cam had 743 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: to issue me a family apology for what his dad 744 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: did to me as a player. So like you don't 745 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: see this, but like if you come close to the thing, 746 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: there's a cut right on my lip. Yeah, that stitches. Well. 747 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: Back in nineteen nine, we're playing the NFL with the 748 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. Um, we're playing them in the game to 749 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: go to the postseason. We had to win to go in. 750 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: And so late in the game, I'm playing Nickel and 751 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: they sent me off the edge on a blitz and 752 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: instead of and instead of them throwing the ball as 753 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: we expected, they give it to iron Head on a draw. 754 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: And so if you can imagine me coming, I come 755 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: in and I see it and I had to take 756 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: him out. And so when I took him out, he 757 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: split my lip. And there's a picture that I can 758 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: post think of my lip completely bloody, where I had 759 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: to go get stisted up, had to shame my mustask 760 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: get st up come back in the game, and so 761 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: I haven't had a mustache since. So I had him 762 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: issue an apology from his family to me about how 763 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: he disfigured my face. What did he say? He had 764 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: he had to have he had to have had a 765 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: good laugh about that. Then he had to enjoyed that, 766 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: like the iron head Hayward literally his iron head you 767 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: don't want to hit. I had to show him the picture. 768 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: So there's this picture um on the Internet of my 769 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: face kind of bloody where literally I hit his I 770 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: hit his dad, and I get up and I take 771 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: my helmet off because I'm like, what it looks like 772 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: being a fight. I taste him all blood like Bruce Lee. Yeah. 773 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: By the way, Lake and Thomlinson just signed with the 774 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: New York Jet, so they needed a guard. And thereon 775 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: he's played and he's played in the Okay, so now 776 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: look true. Last week I think maybe he was on 777 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: the show that Yeah, I talked about him potentially going 778 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: to Miami to join Michael Dannie. You're like, hold on, 779 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: hold on, just might have something to say because they 780 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: as the Coats San Francisco. It might have a little 781 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: intel on him. So now it's so good signing there. 782 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: All right, we we need to hit get real quick. 783 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: Here your thoughts on tom Brady coming back. I guess 784 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be totally surprised, are we? Uh? DJ just 785 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: can't stay awaiting. Look, man, this game is a drug 786 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: that just brings people in and it's hard to just 787 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: shake it. And I give him credit he realized in 788 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: two months, Yeah, this ain't gonna get better. I gonna 789 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: get better. Because for Tom Brady to think that Tom Brady, 790 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: we hadn't got to o t a s. Tom Brady missed, 791 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: he missed offseason workouts, he missed getting ready. He didn't 792 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,439 Speaker 1: know what to do with him. Saif he's all over 793 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: and he's at the house and he's taking kids in school, 794 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'm ready, I'm ready to go back. 795 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm ready to go back. Um. I think look, I 796 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: think I think this is great. I think he also 797 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: is very calculated because when we look at the NFC, 798 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: the path is so clear for them. The path is 799 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: clear if they can just build up a decent roster. 800 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: You're talking about being able to kind of pencil them 801 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: the path ers, the l A Rams and maybe the 802 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: Niners into the tournament and then it's about, as you know, 803 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: with him. If they get in and if he has 804 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: a healthy squad with him, they gotta punch his chance 805 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: on anybody. And he's still the Boogeyman and Rodgers and 806 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: those guys up north and the Rams had to have 807 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: a miraculous comeback to beat them. So I think he 808 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: feels good about his chances of being able to do it, um, 809 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: you know. And then he got open in time to 810 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: get those creators to come back. You know, we should 811 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: have known by the way the second that they because 812 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: we said at the time, right, wow, they tagged god One, 813 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: who I love. He's a great player, but a receiver 814 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: coming off of an a c L. And they're gonna 815 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: let a twenty five year old corner who's really talented 816 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: in Carlton Davis walk, And then we should have been 817 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: able to figure it out, like yeah, no, blank Sherlock, 818 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: like that. Tom Brady is gonna want to come back. 819 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: He doesn't care. I mean, Carlton Dave was a good player. 820 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: You can sign all the corners you want. He doesn't care. 821 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: You mean, he loved Chris Godwin, Like you bring Chris 822 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: Godwin back and you let the corner walk and then 823 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: you got a better chance of getting Tom Brady to 824 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: come back. So that should have been the sign. I 825 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: guess we should have perked up and said, Okay, yeah, no, 826 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: this is all about Brady. They're they're kind of clearing 827 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: the clearing everything out to be uh, to make it 828 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: the most attractive situation they could possibly make it for 829 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: him to come back, and and they absolutely did it. 830 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: And so it's, uh, it's a really good thing for him. 831 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: It's a good thing for him to come back. It's 832 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: a good thing for us to be able to see 833 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: him continue to do his deal. And we won't see it, 834 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: like I know, people get tired of it, but I 835 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: have an appreciation for excellence. So we get a chance 836 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: to see him do it. And it would have been 837 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: the rare thing where you see a player go out 838 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: on top individually, not his team, having the confetti fall 839 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: on them. But the guy was still playing maybe the 840 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: best football of his career, like let it leading pass it. 841 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean, just you don't see that. I mean you 842 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: don't see that. So now right into the wheels fall off. 843 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he has the rest of his life to 844 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: do all that other stuff. No, no doubt, um, all right, 845 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: anything else you want to add before we jump out 846 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: of here. This stuff is coming fast and furious. Hopefully 847 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: you guys actually listen to this is we're just kind 848 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: of reacting real time to all this stuff going down. 849 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: So crazy. So good look, free agency the NFL continues 850 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: to do again like free agency is crazy. But now 851 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: that we're seeing some of these creators, um sign No, 852 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: it's time for other modrafts. It's time. Well, I mean 853 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: everything we've said, everything, everything we said with the Jags 854 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: when they signed when they franchise tag Cam Robinson was 855 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: this is pointing towards Aidan Hutchinson. Now they go out 856 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: and they signed Brandon Schurf. So there doing the offensive 857 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 1: thing in in kind of the veteran way to help 858 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: their quarterback. And what's going to free them up with 859 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: the first overall pick the park that right the park 860 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: that drive right in the middle of the fairway with 861 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson right coming right off to the weekend of 862 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: the TPC. Yeah, you're gonna hit up there on to 863 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: go popy right right on the island seventeen and just 864 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: make it happen. Now, So this this is what you 865 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: typically do. We talked about what young quarterbacks. You go 866 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: get veteran people around them that know how to play, 867 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: so they have certainty and stability that gives them the 868 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: opportunity for the quarterback to develop really quickly. And Doug 869 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: Peterson and Trent Barky, they're putting that plan in place 870 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: so they have an opportunity to kind of hit the 871 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: ground running when they started this year. The first you're 872 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson's a tenure, no doubt. Fun. It's fun day 873 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: in the National Football They hope you guys have enjoyed 874 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: this as much as we have, and we'll catch you 875 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: right back here on moving the sticks. Ye