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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Elizabeth, coming in hot man, So glad to see you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, good to see.

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Speaker 2: Why you got that big smile on your face. I

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Speaker 2: got a question for you. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Is there?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: I asked my six year old nephew the other day,

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Speaker 1: what's a la boo boo? Ah?

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Speaker 2: This must have been.

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Speaker 1: Interesting because I hear it. I don't know, yeah, and he,

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Speaker 1: you know, made a disgusted face because he doesn't like

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Speaker 1: labuo boo.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's over it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's sort of like when I was his age

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Speaker 1: and like Cabbage Patch kids for sure the thing, and

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Speaker 1: I was disgusted by them, you know, because I was

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Speaker 1: too cool for that. Yeah, Cabbage Pat I was so cool.

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Speaker 1: So I asked him what's the laboo boo? And he

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Speaker 1: was trying to explain it to me, and then we

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Speaker 1: looked up a picture and I said, all right, I

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Speaker 1: get it. It's like you know, manchi chi, Yeah, I thought,

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Speaker 1: I say, is mon chichi and so? But I then

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Speaker 1: rose on Instagram aka the Envious Moon, she sent us

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Speaker 1: a thing where people believe that la Boo Boo is

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Speaker 1: modeled on pazuzu Zu is an ancient Mesopotamian mythological figure.

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Speaker 1: That is, it's a demonic god and so he's represented

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Speaker 1: by like a dog face with huge bulging eyes, a

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Speaker 1: scaly body, a snake headed penis, the talons of a bird,

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Speaker 1: and wings and it's like an evil underworld demon. Somehow

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Speaker 1: that translates to le boo boo. And so people they're

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Speaker 1: people who are saying they're you know, they're they're dork sided,

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Speaker 1: they're gorgyles, they're psychic, don't don't get near them, they're

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Speaker 1: bad evil. Other people are trying to exorcize them, and

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Speaker 1: so they're hat there. Yeah, they're trying to use these

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Speaker 1: these rituals to cleanse the Pazuzu out of the Labooboo.

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Speaker 1: And I don't like any of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just grouding. This is not a mashup. You're like

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Speaker 2: sliding in at the well.

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Speaker 1: It's a mashup of the boo boos and the devil.

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Speaker 1: So uh, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That's that is mad ridiculous exercise.

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Speaker 1: And then and the Labuobu folks are like, look, we

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Speaker 1: were not inspired by Pazuzu. Of course, you can't tell

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Speaker 1: people nothing. They're saying, No, of course, it's it's the.

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Speaker 2: Devil Greatest, the Devil ever poll.

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Speaker 1: It's dork sided as they say. It's like corgo Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: excited stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's like you opened up a door to started saying

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Speaker 2: nonsense words at.

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Speaker 1: Means well, it's like when you see like you're driving

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco and you see all these billboards.

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Speaker 2: And it's yeah, it's bad companies.

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Speaker 1: Gibberish of like, you know, they make these what are

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Speaker 1: supposed to be probably clever wordplay about various coding platforms

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and the business names. They don't like vowels.

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Speaker 1: They usually kick the vowels.

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Speaker 2: Out, always get rid of the vowels.

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Speaker 1: And so if I if I saw a billboard that

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Speaker 1: said the Boo Boo is now free from Pazuzu, I'd

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Speaker 1: be like, that's got to be an app. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: a database system. So that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I know, thank you on that note.

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Speaker 2: I got something that's ridiculous for you.

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Speaker 1: I'd like that, please logistics, that's not ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I know you would say that because you are Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: As I would tell people a queen of logistics. I

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Speaker 2: love that's not the ridiculous part, okay, But oftentimes logistics

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Speaker 2: can be the difference between success and failure. As you

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Speaker 2: well know. That is so true, especially when it comes

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Speaker 2: to crime. Oh yeah, we say this all the time. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and especially like you know, if you're going to do

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Speaker 2: the crime, at least do the research for how you'll

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Speaker 2: get away with it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's part of the planning.

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Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about a third and

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Speaker 3: outrageous capers heist and cons It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 3: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Boo. Now you've mentioned casually to me many times

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Speaker 2: before that you're a woman who from time to time

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Speaker 2: has suffered through bouts of anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Yes, time to time, money now now.

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Speaker 2: But as far as I would describe it, like you

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Speaker 2: once bravely picked up sticks and moved to Scotland, a

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Speaker 2: whole new life for yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I certainly did.

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Speaker 2: Was that an anxious time for you? Or did the

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Speaker 2: excitement of all that newness and fresh potential booy you?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Though? You know, I think my anxiety is generalized

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Speaker 1: anxiety just about everything that I where you are. But

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Speaker 1: those kind of choices, I, you know, have had a

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Speaker 1: blessing in my life to be raised in part by

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Speaker 1: my grandmother, who looked at everything as an opportunity and

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Speaker 1: you have to take a big risk every now and then.

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Speaker 1: And so it was. I never thought i'd leave California.

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Speaker 1: It was huge. It was a huge thing, and it

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Speaker 1: felt like stepping off a cliff. And when I did it,

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Speaker 1: a cliff. And so I stepped off and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, and I'm actually now I'm somewhere cool, and

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Speaker 1: it was a great life lesson. Nice, you know, And

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Speaker 1: so I don't have anxiety about big life change stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oddly enough, I getting anxious over the little things.

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Speaker 2: Like well I find parking, Oh.

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Speaker 1: God, yeah, if I'm invited somewhere, you know, especially if

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Speaker 1: it's in like San Francisco, look and I find like,

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Speaker 1: where's the parking garage? Because I know I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to get street parking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You've asked me questions about that. I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. When you get there, you'll figure it out.

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Speaker 2: You're like, no, No, I need to know at least

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Speaker 2: three locations I can find public parking, private parking, and

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Speaker 2: then maybe on street parking that's readily available. What.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I have to know, Buppy, you have.

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Speaker 2: Good parking, Karmace. It kind of works out for you,

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Speaker 2: I do. I don't know why you were well today.

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Speaker 2: I would like to tell you a story of a

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Speaker 2: guy who wanted to find a new hymn and instead

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Speaker 2: he lost it all. Yeah, Elizabeth, meet Ryan Borgwart. He

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Speaker 2: was a forty five year old cabinet maker, a married

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Speaker 2: family man who lived in a small town in Wisconsin. Now,

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Speaker 2: I assume, like me, you're not familiar with Watertown, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Waterton, I have never heard of it, but I hear

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Speaker 1: it's beautiful. Well.

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Speaker 2: It's located halfway between Milwaukee and Madison, Wisconsin. Town is

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Speaker 2: home to roughly twenty three thousand people. Sure it was

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Speaker 2: named Watertown because it's located in a horseshoe bend of

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Speaker 2: of the river to power industry and commerce. Like Originally,

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Speaker 2: the Rock River powered sawmills, which led to an early

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Speaker 2: our story, Ryan Borgwart. Now, as I said, Ryan was

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Speaker 2: a married family man, a father to three children. But

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Speaker 2: please note that they didn't say he was a happily

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Speaker 2: married man, because if you asked him, he was not.

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Speaker 2: That there were troubles in his marriage. That's why he

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Speaker 2: would step out from time to time, but not like

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Speaker 2: you might be thinking more to spend time on his own.

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Speaker 2: For instance, he was a fan of driving out to

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Speaker 2: the lake and going fishing by himself on his kayak.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. I think that I think

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Speaker 1: that all couples should be comfortable having their own time

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Speaker 2: I think that I would also advocate for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, this was his key escape the kayak, the fishing,

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Speaker 2: going out on the lake and one day.

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Speaker 1: August on me unless he was there with like a bodacious.

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Speaker 2: Babe, No, no, she wouldn't fit on the kayak.

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Speaker 1: It's just it was a one yeah, one hitter exactly.

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Speaker 2: They only seeded two cheeks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll allow that.

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Speaker 2: Now, one day, August eleven, twenty twenty four, to be exact,

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Speaker 2: he decided to go on one of his fishing trips alone,

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Speaker 2: and that night the Aurora borealis was popping off, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said he had kids.

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Speaker 2: Three of them teenage kids.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you totally should have taken the kids.

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Speaker 2: It depends if they like fishing or not, you know, fishing.

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Speaker 2: So he's out there, you know, getting ready to go

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Speaker 2: I do know, Elizabeth is he texted her at ten

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Speaker 2: his wife, Emily texted back, that would have been nice

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Speaker 2: to know. I was beginning to wonder why you weren't home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm with her now.

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Speaker 2: He texted her back and apologized for his absence, and

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Speaker 2: her response was somewhat terse Emily wrote back, nothing new,

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Speaker 2: I should be used to it by now, so many nights,

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Speaker 2: I have no idea where you are when it's late

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Speaker 2: their terse text exchange, he wrote to his wife that

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Speaker 2: and then he texted, I love you good night now.

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Speaker 2: That text seemed to thaw the cold between them somewhat,

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Speaker 2: because Emily texted back that she loved him too, and

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Speaker 2: she said she'd see him when he got home. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Ryan texted his wife back, reassuring her, I'll be heading

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Speaker 2: Emily asked her husband, where are you, and then when

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Speaker 2: he didn't respond, she sent the follow up text. It

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Speaker 2: was just one word, babe. Now. The text was also

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Speaker 2: unanswered you see, Elizabeth, her husband had officially gone missing.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, his wife went to the police, like what

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Speaker 2: she's going to do? So the local sheriff's deputies they

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Speaker 2: launched this search for the missing cabinet maker. At first

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Speaker 2: they found nothing, but then out of the lake deputies

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Speaker 2: discovered Ryan Borgwartz van and trailer. They were parked near

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Speaker 2: a boat launch. The next clue that the deputies found was, well,

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Speaker 2: they didn't discover instead of a local fisherman who found it.

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Speaker 2: He spotted a fishing rod who was found at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the lake.

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Speaker 1: How did he see a fishing round?

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Speaker 2: It was pretty clear waters? Oh, so it was then.

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Speaker 2: Also it was with his tackle box. Inside his tackle

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Speaker 2: box was his wallet. His driver's license was inside, which

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Speaker 2: is how the authorities knew it was his.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Once again, nobody. After fifty days of searching, there's no

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Speaker 2: The Canadian authorities, the customs officials from Border patrol had

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Speaker 2: That led the local sheriff to reach out to US

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Speaker 1: Oh but wait, there's more.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that he's like in a dingy apartment

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Speaker 2: Well, now that the missing man was no longer considered missing,

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Speaker 4: But first some delicious ass oh yum and rebeca.

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Speaker 1: We are.

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Speaker 2: So I got to ask you. Have you ever considered

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing no, I think everyone has you have.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't think of you as being like me yes,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean I don't think he

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, have I got answers for you? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 1: There's some logistics right there. Yes, the time has come,

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Speaker 2: There, and so on August eleventh, he woke up and

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Speaker 2: Then he dipped back to his family home. Guess he

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Speaker 2: Then he climbed into his van and drove away from

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Speaker 2: Now, one thing I wondered while reading the criminal complaint

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00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 2: when I got to this moment is did he have

440
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 2: a soundtrack for his faked out death?

441
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: Like?

442
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 2: Did he have a playlist ready to go for this drive?

443
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: Is he like a pregnant woman with a go back

444
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: in a playlist for the birth of birthing plan? This

445
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: rebirthing plan?

446
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 2: Oh wow? That this philosophical that's beautiful, beautiful Now personally

447
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 2: for me, since you didn't ask, I'll just tell you

448
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: I was thinking, like, what was he listening to so

449
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: I kind of imagined this guy. Did he have Limp

450
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 2: biscuit all cued up, maybe some slip not ready to go.

451
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: Based on his age, he seemed like a new metal

452
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: guy to me and the.

453
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: Pictures I saw the picture.

454
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, I thought this guy seems like he's

455
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 2: a new metal guy. You know, he's listening to the

456
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 2: music when he was seventeen.

457
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: Anyway, I think he was listening to Justin Timberlake.

458
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: Oh my God, bringing sexy back, and he's ready to

459
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: go into his beakistan what tour the world to world? Anyway,

460
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: he drives over toosh Wisconsin aka home of the Overalls.

461
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: Other than Overalls, why did he go over to oshkost

462
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: great question, Elizabeth, Wait to bring your gay game to

463
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 2: this one.

464
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: I can't stop. You're on you know what can't stop?

465
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: Won't stop. Now it turns out that's where the Walmart was,

466
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: so God bless me. At the big Walmart he purchased.

467
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't know the details of that, but the Walmart

468
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: didn't have any life jackets for sale. That's what he

469
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: wanted to get, and so he was out of luck

470
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 2: on that score. So instead he just bought himself a

471
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: hat a University of Wisconsin Oshkosh hat. He also grabbed

472
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: himself a new backpack.

473
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: They didn't have.

474
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: They didn't have, didn't surprise me. So I don't think

475
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: he's a superstitiar.

476
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he knew where to look.

477
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: And so after that, and after not going.

478
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: Back to the back where the tire.

479
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 2: Center, yeah, maybe as around with the pool supplies. So

480
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: he drives over to his friend's house, hoping like hell

481
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: that the friend wasn't home. He had every reason to

482
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: believe the friend wasn't home, and why he wanted to

483
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: go to his friend's house so he could steal some

484
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: pellets for a wood stove from his friend's garage. He

485
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: was fairly certain his friend was gone, apparently, so while

486
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: he was there, he's yoinking the wood pellets, and his

487
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 2: friend returned home.

488
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: He gets caught in the act, So now.

489
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: Ryan has to rush out and close up the trailers.

490
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: His friend doesn't see his e bike. He managed to

491
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: do that in time. Then he greeted his buddy and

492
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: the two talk for a little while, like, Hey, how's work.

493
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 2: I was fishing, you know, I don't know what they

494
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: were talking about. I'm guessing they talked about fishing.

495
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: My friend just is like, hey, what's up, and then

496
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: grabbed his hand and said how's your heart.

497
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: Placed it on his chain.

498
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, oh, I'm good bro.

499
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: So after they did there like how's your heart talk,

500
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: he climbs back into his van and he heads over

501
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: to Green Lake, which is about fifty miles away. At

502
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: this point, it's nighttime, but since it's August, by the

503
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: time he reaches the lake, it's about almost ten pm,

504
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: which means it's only been dark for a couple hours,

505
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: so it's not like super dark yet, but it's again.

506
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: When he pulls off the country road to take the

507
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: little road to the boat launch, he sees a Sheriff's

508
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: deputy patrol car doing the loop. The deputy would have

509
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: had to have seen his van, which is automatically suspicious,

510
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, to us at least, but not to the

511
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: deputy in that area. It's like, oh, maybe he's setting

512
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: stuff up for fishing early in the morning. He's got

513
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: sleep in his van. That's true now, but I also

514
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: imagine that he had to give him Ryan a moment

515
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: of pause, like maybe he even reconsidered his plan for

516
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: a moment, like this is a bad omen, but he

517
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: did not turn back Elizabeth. Instead, he knew that the

518
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: deputy was on patrol and that meant he wouldn't be

519
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: back for around for a long time while he did

520
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: his patrol of the lake. Big Lake takes him a

521
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: long time to go around. So Ryan drives over to

522
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: a park that's right there on the banks of the lake.

523
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: That's where he parked his van and trailer. Next, he

524
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: texts his wife, telling her everything I told you about

525
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, where are you? I'm at the lake and

526
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: she's like, I wish I would have known. Then she

527
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: texts back so far they had their exchange. He tells

528
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: her he loves her. Then when the text exchange is done,

529
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: he pulls out his kayak and his fishing gear. Then

530
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: he wheels out his e bike and he walks out

531
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: a little ways away and he stashes it in the

532
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: woods along with a bike helmet and a backpack.

533
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: Then he hikes back Peter.

534
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Of course he got out of Peter Sitera. Then he

535
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: hikes back to his kayak and to his fishing gear.

536
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: He loads up the kayak with his fishing pole, a net,

537
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 2: his tackle box, also his his keys go and then

538
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: he loads up a duffel bag with an inflatable raft

539
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: stuffed inside the duffel bag. Then he climbed onto his

540
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: kayak paddled out into the darkened waters of this lonely

541
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: ass lake. He knows he needs to make his fake

542
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: death believable to law enforcement that will eventually investigate, so

543
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: he paddles all the way to the deepest section of

544
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: the lake. Once he gets there, he tosses his phone overboard.

545
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: Then he pulled out the inflatable raft and starts inflating it.

546
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: And then once that's all pumped up with air, he

547
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: slid that into the water, and then he climbed into

548
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: the inflatable raft. This is all working perfectly. Next he

549
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: flipped over the kayak with the life vest still attached

550
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: to sell the deal. And then he watched his fishing pole,

551
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: his net, and his tackle box and with his wallet

552
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: and driver's license inside go sinking down to the bottom

553
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: of the lake.

554
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: He must have put those in a shallower spot so

555
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: that they could be seen, because if he dumps it

556
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: all in the two hundred foot no one's going to

557
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: find that.

558
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's like Crystal Clare, like

559
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: Lake tahoe where you can actually look down.

560
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: That see down two hundred feet.

561
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm pretty close. I don't know close. Yeah, anyway, So

562
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 2: he carefully paddles the inflatable raft batistics zero. I'm telling

563
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: you you're already about it now. At this point, he

564
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: carefully paddles the inflatable raft back to shore. And I

565
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: say carefully because he has no life fest Now, well,

566
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: that's right, missus. Walmart didn't have any for sale, And

567
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: because he didn't want to actually die on the lake,

568
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: he's right, very carefully paddling his mistake prone person back

569
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: to the shore, because wouldn't that be ironic try to

570
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: fake your death and you actually driven.

571
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: And so he had the raft. I'm sorry, did you

572
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: say it was like self inflated.

573
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: With a pump, Yeah, but inflatable rout.

574
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: So he sat in the canoe and my guess.

575
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Like with a like bike pump. I don't know.

576
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: It takes a long time, not that long.

577
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: I've inflated things that, you know, sleeping pads. Rafts doesn't

578
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: take forever, right, he makes it safely back to shore.

579
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: Once there, he climbs out of the kayak and he

580
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: drops himself into the water at the shoreline and he

581
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 2: gets into like hip deep water and stuff that's all

582
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: covered slime, mud and muck.

583
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: Also a crystal clear lakey.

584
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: The shore so obscured. Also, it's this area is obscured

585
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: by cattails, so when he pulls himself out of the water,

586
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: exactly right. So those fuzzy plants to grow along the

587
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: stores of lakes. For those who don't know cattails, there's.

588
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of cats just poking.

589
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: Just drinking lap lap lap. So obviously this plan was

590
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 2: to obscure any footprints he made drag out. But unfortunately,

591
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: once he climbed through the cattails and out of the

592
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: water and he hiked back to where he stashedes e bike,

593
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: he looked back and he noticed he was leaving muddy footprints. Yeah,

594
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: and the muddy footprints crossed the country road and he's like, oh,

595
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: that's the problem. So the trail from the lake right

596
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: back to his van and then over to where he

597
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: hit in the e bike is now pretty much marked

598
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: with her. So that's no good. So he takes his

599
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: shoes off and his pants off, and he washes them

600
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: off in some water and then he you know, it's

601
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 2: like imagine like a gully or like a ditch that

602
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: runs along the road and has water, and so he's

603
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: doing that. Then he uses some of that water to

604
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: rinse off his muddy footprints. But this is taking too

605
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: much long time. There's way too much mud, so he

606
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: just rinses the ones that are on the country road. Okay,

607
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: So now then he decides to hell with it, I'm

608
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: out of here. He climbs on top of the seat

609
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: of his e bike and You'll never believe this, Elizabeth,

610
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: this master of planning and logistics. He forgot to buy

611
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: a spare line life jacket. This guy he had never

612
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: turned on his e bike, not once before. So he

613
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: pedals off into the dark and he's trying to figure

614
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: out how to turn it on.

615
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: You're kidding, Yes, he didn't test run.

616
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: Not a single one. He eventually figures out how to

617
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: turn on his e bikes somewhere down the country road.

618
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: Now he's on his way.

619
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: It's flat and he's in like one of those crazy years.

620
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: Going, well, those bikes are heavy. I've done this, like

621
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: where like you suddenly accidentally turn off the power. You

622
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: have an e bike and they're really heavy. So like

623
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're like, oh my goodness, this thing.

624
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: He's just struggling exactly now.

625
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: Eventually he turns it on, as he said, and now

626
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: he's riding along the side of a country road. But

627
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: this is like he gets to a main road, like

628
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: imagine like a country highway that runs through the woods.

629
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: So now he's praying, like hell that that sheriff's depe

630
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: He doesn't come back around on patrol too soon and

631
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: spots him riding away on the e bike. Ryan borg

632
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: Work gets lucky. He's able to make it to the

633
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: back roads, the ones that are like not this main highway,

634
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: and now at this point he's able to like smooth sailing.

635
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: He rides bike until he needs to change batteries. Okay,

636
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: he brought a spare.

637
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: Fun how much would be a battery's worth.

638
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: Of it depends on like conditions, but like easily fifty

639
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: probably fifty miles, you know, depending what gear, like, how

640
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: much power If he's doing like they have like you know,

641
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: different power ratings, say one, two, three, four, five, he's

642
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: doing it in three, he's gonna get far more than

643
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: if he's riding at five. So I'm guessing like maybe

644
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: forty fifty miles. So he changes and then because Master

645
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: Logistics did bring the spare all right, he thought of that,

646
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: Ye swaps out the batteries. He stops a second time

647
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: to change out his wet shoes and pants because he

648
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: was freezing in the cold night air at this point.

649
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I got to say, brother, I've been there.

650
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like I thought, I think I told you

651
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: this last time. I rode over to San Francisco from

652
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Oakland on my e bike. It was super hot in Oakland,

653
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: so I just took off and I didn't make sure

654
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: I had a jacket in my backpack to get over

655
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: the Bay Area. And you know how the micro climates are, yeah,

656
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: almost sen it's super foggy, and then it gets really cold.

657
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: It was so cold. I rode to hate Ashbury and

658
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: I went to the good Will there and I tried

659
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: to like buy clothing, but they didn't to have me like, wait,

660
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: men's jackets because I think all the homeless guys have

661
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: bought up all the jackets because it's so cold there.

662
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: So I had to go to the women's section and

663
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: I bought this really stupid puppy coat. I had like

664
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: skulls on it. And then I bought this pullover fleece

665
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: pull over, and that's the only things I could find

666
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: that were warm. I spent like thirty dollars to be warm,

667
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: to ride the West of the Way across San Francisco,

668
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: and I honestly, I did not care how I looked

669
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: as long as I was warm.

670
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: About one of those tourists Alcatraz sweatshirts, I didn't know.

671
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: I couldn't think of where to go. I was like,

672
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: where am I gonna go? And I needed more than

673
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: a sweatshirts. I was like, oh, the Goodwill on eighte.

674
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: So I went there, and then when I went through

675
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: Golden Gate Park, all these teams were like pointing and laughing.

676
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: I was like, I must have looked like just a menace.

677
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Wait it was a lady's jacket. Oh yeah, skulls.

678
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like these crazy and like silver riding and like

679
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: sword through like as a tea. It was. I don't

680
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: even know what it was wearing it right now, it

681
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: should be right anyway, Back to Ryan, I mean, I

682
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: got to see the jacket someday, this is me. I'll

683
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: show it to you someday. So back to Ryan and

684
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: his bike ride through the Wisconsin Woods. At night. He

685
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: continues riding through the dark in the cold for seventy

686
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: miles until he reaches Madison, Wisconsin. It was five am

687
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: when he pulls into Madison. That meant it would be

688
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: light out soon, but also it meant that his wife

689
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: would be getting up around this time, and she discovered

690
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: he was and he'd never came home that night. He

691
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: also knew he'd pass the point of no return. There

692
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: was no turning back now, Elizabeth. He was dead, or

693
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: at least fake dead.

694
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Sure.

695
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: So when he arrived in Madison, he rode to a

696
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: park and that's where he ditches his e bike. I assumed.

697
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: He assumed that some homeless guy or some teenagers would

698
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: find it and then steal it, and that would take

699
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: care of that clue. So at that same spot he

700
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: found a dumpster and he ditched the duffel bag with

701
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: the inflatable raft and all of his wet clothes. Now

702
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: he's on foot, and he walked over to a Greyhound

703
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: bus station and he bought a ticket to Detroit by

704
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: way of Milwaukee and Chicago. At this point, it's around

705
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: nine to fifteen in the morning. The bus ride was uneventful,

706
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: carried him all the way to Detroit. No problems there.

707
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: He gets a second bus. They would take him over

708
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: the Canadian border to Toronto. The bus was headed to

709
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: the Toronto Airport. That was all fine and good. He

710
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: made it safely over the Canadian border on the board

711
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: the bus. However, when he got out at the Toronto Airport,

712
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: he got off the bus and he then had to

713
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: go through customs. That's where they had customs arranged for

714
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: the bus. That's where he's up against his first real challenge.

715
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: Rather than me tell you about that, Elizabeth, I'd like

716
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: you to close your eyes and I'd like you to

717
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: picture it. It's another day at the office for you.

718
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: In this case, the office is the customs line at

719
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: the Canadian border, and you are a Canadian customs official

720
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: working at the Toronto Airport. Eh, the lines have been

721
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: slow and steady most of the morning. Now you're eyeing

722
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: the relief that comes with the end of the workday

723
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: against the din of people waiting for their turn in line.

724
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: And just after you led a newly married couple through

725
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: headed off for their honeymoon that they told you all about,

726
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: the next traveler line steps up to your kiosk. He's

727
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 2: a middle aged man, an American. He gives you an

728
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: overly friendly smile, which you seems a bit suspicious. Who

729
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: smiles like that at a customs official only someone is

730
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: trying to use arm to cover something that deserves inspection

731
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: or at least a second look, is what you're thinking.

732
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: The man reaches into his jacket pocket and his hand

733
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: comes back out with his passport booklet. He hands it over.

734
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: You leaf through the passport booklet. It's crisp. You take

735
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: your time. You note there are absolutely no stamps. He's

736
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: never used this passport before, since he's an American. You

737
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: ask the man for his driver's license. The smile disappears.

738
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 2: The man says, uh, he doesn't have his driver's license.

739
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: You ask why that is. Does he not drive? He

740
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: says he left his license in his tackle box, but

741
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: he does have his passport. You're holding it. Isn't that

742
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: good enough? He asks? You don't respond. Instead, your hand

743
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 2: goes up and two men from the Canadian Border Patrol

744
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: walk over. They ask the man to follow them. Step

745
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: to the side. His eyes now grow concerned. You've seen

746
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: that look before, but rarely on the face of someone

747
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: who's innocent. Just past your kiosk. The two Canadian border

748
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: patrol agents ask the man a few questions. You stand

749
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: there watching, waiting for it all to be sorted out.

750
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: The Canadian border patrol agents ask the now nervous American

751
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: to hand over his cell phone. You hear him say

752
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a working phone on him. You see,

753
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: his phone died somewhere around Madison, that's where he's coming from.

754
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: In Wisconsin. He sent a message to the woman waiting

755
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: for him at the end of his travels, and then

756
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: his phone died. You see. The Canadian border patrol agents

757
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: they're just as suspicious as you are. They ask him

758
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: to turn on the phone and hand it over. He

759
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: nervously stammers at the phone. It'll probably turn on, but

760
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: it won't function, not properly. The agents tell him to

761
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: turn on the phone and hand it over. The American

762
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: reaches into his pocket, fishes out the phone. He turns

763
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 2: it on. It chimes to life, and he hands it over.

764
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: As one agent checks the phone, the other agent asks

765
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: why he's coming over the border. What business does he

766
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: have in Canada. You eye him, waiting for his answer.

767
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: Curious Again, he stammers and says he's merely just traveling

768
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: through he has a flight to catch. The agent asked

769
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: to see his flight itinerary. He says he doesn't have

770
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: his flight itinerary on him because you see, kedn't purchased

771
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: his tickets yet. One of the agents laughs, like it's

772
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: a joke, but it's not a joke. The other agent

773
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: exhales his frustrations with this American traveler. Or would you

774
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: absent mindedly tap your pencil against the tabletop of your

775
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: kiosk because you wait to see what the agents will

776
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: do next. The American says he's not planning on staying

777
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: in Canada long. He's flying to Europe, to Paris. Yeah,

778
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: that's it, Paris. Now it's your turn to laugh. The

779
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: man waits for the agent's response, and you wait too. Finally,

780
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: one of the Canadian Border patrol agents speaks up and

781
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: he says, well, sir, enjoy Paris, eh, And with that

782
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: they let him go. He nods thanks the two agents.

783
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: He turns and nods to you. You nod back. The

784
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: man turns back again, takes his phone from the agent,

785
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: and then walks off to join the other travelers headed

786
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: for their gates and flights to somewhere else and just

787
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: like that. He's gone. Wow, that Elizabeth is how Ryan

788
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: Borgort slipped through customs of the Canadian boy, the now

789
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 2: fake dead married father III was on his merry way

790
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: to wherever he planned to go live out the rest

791
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: of his life. So where does he go? Great question, Elizabeth?

792
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: Thank you?

793
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: After these messages, I will tell you where he went.

794
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: And uh, I'm betting it'll surprise you. I hope does,

795
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Saron, you ready for some answers.

796
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: That's all I ever want.

797
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: I know, That's why I'm here to give you what

798
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: exactly what you want. And they are surprising.

799
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: Oh. Yes.

800
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: So, once Ryan Borgwart was able to set foot inside

801
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: the Toronto Airport, you know, technically legally, he sauntered over

802
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: to the Air Canada ticket counter and he attempted to

803
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: buy a ticket overseas for his funds. He offered a

804
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: bunch of Air Canada gift cards and then when he

805
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: attempted to use them to buy a ticket, he was told, sir,

806
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: you cannot do that. Yeah, we can't take Air Canada

807
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: gift cards for a ticket. I guess he hadn't researched

808
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: that part of to use them for, like buying stuff

809
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: on I think on the plane.

810
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Air Canada merch.

811
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: In the storm. No, he doesn't give up, so you

812
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: know he can't because he's fake dead. Now he's trying

813
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: to just keep moving. So he's past the point of

814
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: no return. So what does he do. He managed to

815
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: get a Western Union card and he was able to

816
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: use that to buy a ticket, but instead of on

817
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Air Canada, he went up to Air France. Their ticket

818
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: counters they're like, oh, we he's like one ticket to

819
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: Paris please, And that's how he bought a ticket on

820
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: Air France. Now he buys his one way ticket to Paris,

821
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: no looking back. Now. Meanwhile, as he's.

822
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: Waited for no luggage by the backpack, he's got the backpack. Yeah,

823
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: Basically it's.

824
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I'm just going for the weekend. Oh yeah,

825
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: one way ticket. I'm not a terrorist. So meanwhile he

826
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: waits for his flight, He buys some food and contemplates,

827
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: well what will come next for old Ryan? And you

828
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: know how you get bored at the airport waiting for

829
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: a flight, especially if you show up hell earlier the

830
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: way you might. He decided to crack open this laptop

831
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: that he had with him in his backpack and He

832
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: checked the news, mainly to see if there was any

833
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: news about his disappearance, and wouldn't you know it, Elizabeth,

834
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: there was a news story about a missing kayaker who

835
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: dissapp appeared on Green Lake. That was his confirmation his

836
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: plan had worked so far. The authorities believe the kayaker

837
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: had flipped over and quite possibly had drowned. He was

838
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: free of his old life and believed to be likely dead,

839
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: So he waited for his flight to Paris, dreaming of

840
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: his new life.

841
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh God, yes, Now at.

842
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: This point he's checked the news, he's seeing that he's

843
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: officially missing, and all that's left for him to do

844
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: is to escape North America. When his flight number gets called,

845
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 2: Ryan casually hands over his ticket, walks onto the jetway

846
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: to his flight. Soon the plane taxi down the runway

847
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: takes off into the skies. He's made it, Elizabeth. But

848
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: what must he have been thinking at this point. It's

849
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: not often you get to be dead and still be

850
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: alive at the same time. Well, his plane eventually landed

851
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 2: in Paris without incident. When he walks off the plane,

852
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: there are no authorities waiting for him, nor rest worn

853
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: in hand. Instead, he just calmly buys a ticket to

854
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 2: a nation in deep eastern Europe where the continent meets Asia,

855
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: specifically the nation of Georgia. Oh yes, the plane touchdown

856
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: into Blisi, the capital of Georgia, and in this holy new,

857
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: unfamiliar land, Ryan Borgwart steps off the plane. He made

858
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: it through customs, said without incident, like super easy, like

859
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: welcome to Georgia. And then he walked through the airport,

860
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: where he found a quiet place to sit. Then he

861
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: sent to the little email. He waited an hour, and

862
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: then he stepped out of the airport to meet the

863
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: mystery woman he'd emailed, the one he'd come to meet.

864
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: The mystery woman drove to the airport. I don't know

865
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: about you, but I like to imagine she pulled up

866
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: to the curb and some like Soviet era sedan.

867
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh totally. This is just like if it bumps up

868
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: against everything, everything falls apart.

869
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: I just like a little short, squat thing.

870
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: But it was actually not a woman. It's like a

871
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: big dude named Bertram.

872
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, it's just me. No, but I doubt it

873
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: was as cool as all that. I'm sure it was

874
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: actually some random like Turkish car, maybe a Japanese car.

875
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what else, like a Ford but they

876
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: have weird names. Yeah, count so it was like a

877
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: Ford burst.

878
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, He tosses what little luggage he had, probably just

879
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: his backpack since he didn't buy any luggage, into the

880
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 2: back sheet and they pull away from the airport. Where

881
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: do they go to start his new life? Great? You

882
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: know you're still gonna love this answer. They went to

883
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: a hotel and by then it was Wednesday evening, so

884
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: I imagine they went to bed and there they stayed

885
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: for a few days. Not in bed, I mean in

886
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 2: the hotel room.

887
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

888
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: So who is this mystery.

889
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: Woman, Angela Lansbury?

890
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: Good guess not Angela Lansberry. She would have solved this

891
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: crime by now. Well. As they said earlier, she was

892
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: from Uzbekistan. Ryan had met her online some unnamed dating website.

893
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but I do know.

894
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: This was back in December of twenty twenty three that

895
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: they first met. Within a few months, by February of

896
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, they were regularly in contact, and by April,

897
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: Ryan was researching how to fake his death. Oh yeah,

898
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: he read about how others had done it. He investigated

899
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: how you know they did it. The problem with that

900
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: is it's rarely is it? Because they got away with.

901
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: It, That's what I'm saying when you find out. Yeah,

902
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: otherwise it's just they're dead.

903
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: It's just stories exactly their disappeared it. So mostly it

904
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: must have been stories that all the folks that got caught.

905
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: So he's learning like, Okay, don't do this, don't do that,

906
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: don't He's not learning what to do, he's learning what

907
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: not to do. So at this point later, as he

908
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: would put it, everything hinged on me dying in the lake.

909
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: The whole idea was to sell the death. Now he'd

910
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: done it, though he was fake dead, and he's with

911
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: his mystery. It was beck woman whose name was Katya.

912
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Katya? So what katcha the drag queen?

913
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: Oh? I wouldn't that be fun?

914
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: Love her? I know you do.

915
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 2: So now Ryan and Katya they are together. What comes

916
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: next with this crazy couple. Well, for one, he didn't

917
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: have much money with him. He had about fifty five

918
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: hundred dollars in cash. That was about it. That's all

919
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: the money he brought to start their new life together.

920
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: And I think she was kind of bald when she

921
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: found out that he only only fifty five hundred three.

922
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: That's not going to get you.

923
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: No, that'll take off maybe around every few days. He

924
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: kept checking the news online about his disappearance. He checked

925
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 2: in on the hunt for his missing body. He mostly

926
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: just read the headlines. You didn't have time to read

927
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: the whole story.

928
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: Oh, he's got busy life.

929
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 2: She's got to get back the cuts.

930
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: You gotta be sitting in the hotel room.

931
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: They gotta take Wendy walks and thought about what they're

932
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: gonna do. That wasn't the problem for him about him

933
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: being missing. It was unless they figured out where he

934
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 2: was really he was looking to see. Have they figured

935
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: out that I'm in Georgia. It would be a problem

936
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: because turns out in Georgia they do have an extradition

937
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: treaty with America. Yeah, maybe gets caught, they will happily

938
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: send him back.

939
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: Sure, he didn't do a lot of investigation on that front.

940
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: Now, bad news for him was that he had no

941
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: idea that Bruce's legacy existed, that there was this team

942
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: of volunteer divers who'd spend not just days looking for

943
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: him like the authorities was. But we keep looking for

944
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: him for weeks and weeks up till fifty days because

945
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: it was a cause for them, and he expected the

946
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: cops so they'd get bored, they move on. You know,

947
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: other crimes happened. He forgot about these do good volunteers.

948
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: This legacy. Well because also it's like this guy, you know,

949
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: he's this he's a local workers, family man. He's a

950
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: family who's got three kids. How traumatic for these more

951
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: children and then his wife, and it's like so they're like.

952
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: You know, we got closure.

953
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Taylor Brack find their deaddy.

954
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: Eventually he saw that as those do good divers kept

955
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: looking for him, the deputies, they kept the case hot. Right,

956
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: they find his laptop. They discovered that he's most likely

957
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: not dead and that he'd faked his disappearance. And one

958
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: day he saw a news story that included a picture

959
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: of Katya the mystery. That's when he knew he'd made

960
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: a huge mistake. Yeah, somehow on his laptop he'd left

961
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: a trail of crumbs that led to Katya.

962
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: Well, he probably thought he deleted stuff, but no, not but.

963
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: For some forensic digital analysts. So in October, the local

964
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: sheriff's department learned from their Canadian counterparts that Ryan Borgwart's

965
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: name had been run through their database a few days

966
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: after he disappeared. That told the local deputies that he

967
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: definitely wasn't dead and likely had faked it all. So

968
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: they keep after him. Then they find the other passport,

969
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: then they check his laptop that his wife had handed over.

970
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: That's what it leads to Katia. So now her photo

971
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: is in the news, and he's like, hopefully she doesn't

972
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: check the local news. But not only that, the authorities

973
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: also stayed on the trail of the missing man, so

974
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: they tried every phone number and email address in his

975
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: contacts until they eventually got in contact with a Russian

976
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: speaking woman. No, yes, it was most likely or we

977
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: don't know if he's certain that it was Katya. But

978
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: the deputy suspect that was Katya. Either way, this mystery woman.

979
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: They reached out to the Russian speaking woman. She told

980
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: Ryan that the sheriff's deputies back in Wisconsin had contacted her.

981
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: They knew that he wasn't really dead and they wanted

982
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: to speak with him, and he's like, oh man, liberty

983
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: Gibbet Now. November eighth, twenty twenty four, Ryan received an

984
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: email from Chief Deputy Van Kolk and Elizabeth. That's when,

985
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: as he put it, his heart hit the floor. Three

986
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: days later, Ryan Borgwart sent a video he'd recorded on

987
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: his phone to the Green Lake County Sheriff, Mark Podol,

988
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: dressed in an orange shirt, looking directly at the camera,

989
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: no smile present on the man's face. He spoke directly

990
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: to the law enforcement officers that had been hunting him down.

991
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: He said, flatly, I'm safe and secure. Help this work works.

992
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: Then he went on and explained how he had fled

993
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: the United States because personal matters. But he didn't say

994
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: where he was, but the apartment did lookd gesus case

995
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: you want to know. He also didn't mention anything about

996
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: coming home. It was literally literally just a proof of

997
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: life video, like, yep, I'm alive, and it's like he

998
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: kidnapped himself. I've got the body. One other thing he

999
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: did muse about ifs, and that's a big if he

1000
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: returned home to Watertown and to his community, what would

1001
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: everyone think, Wow, my man, that ship is sailed and

1002
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: that ship has sunk. People are gonna think whatever you fear,

1003
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: they will think. That's so, the sheriff explains to the

1004
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: press at that November eleventh press conference where he talks

1005
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: directly to the camera and I quote the sheriff, he

1006
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: thought his plan was gonna pan out, but he didn't

1007
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: go the way he had planned, and so now we're

1008
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: trying to give him a different plan to come back.

1009
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: Oh he was he crafted that stag.

1010
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this guy, you know, he was having fun.

1011
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 2: After months.

1012
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: He had these note cards. He's like, how about this?

1013
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: I think you need more repetition of plan and.

1014
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: Point Deputy Ox, what you're talking about. So to get

1015
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: him to consider self extraditing himself back home, the sheriff said,

1016
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: he tried to keep pulling at his heart strings. So

1017
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: what does that mean exactly to a fake dead man

1018
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: who doesn't have much of a.

1019
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: Heart apparently, way, what does he care about?

1020
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: I do love the curiosity about his emotional state, like

1021
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: how do I get to his art strengths. So the

1022
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: sheriff considered the calendar and being a good miss Westerner,

1023
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: he told the fake dead former married family man that

1024
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: Christmas is coming. Man, and Sheriffdall said, what better gift

1025
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: could your kids get than to be there for Christmas?

1026
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he obviously doesn't care no exactly, Come on, Sheriff,

1027
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: should have workshop that one exactly those a bit.

1028
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I can think of

1029
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: a few better gifts to give those kids for Christmas

1030
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: and their deadbeat fake dead dead like I don't know,

1031
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: PlayStation five would probably do better anyway. What about this

1032
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 2: guy's biggest fears? What would the community think? Well, Keith

1033
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: kormickin from Bruce's Legacy to the team of volunteer divers

1034
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: who'd spent fifty days looking for him, he said it

1035
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: was all disheartening. He added that you meet all kinds

1036
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: in the world, and I guess this guy went to

1037
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: the extremes faking his disappearance, so it's a first. He

1038
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: definitely costs us a lot of grief, a lot of money,

1039
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: repairs and equipment. I just hope he comes forward sooner

1040
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: rather than later so the family can move on.

1041
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: Like this guy is selfless, totally so much heart think

1042
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: about it too, is like they're diving down into the

1043
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: deep and they're looking for a body. Yes, so it's

1044
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: not like, oh, I'm just gonna go and I'm gonna

1045
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: find your missing pristwatch bloated Corps. So yeah, they're they're

1046
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: like tense, they're ready They're like they're stealing themselves every day.

1047
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: They think, you know, they've let the family down. They

1048
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: haven't yet.

1049
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those are bringing memories of his brother, you know, like, oh, yeah,

1050
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: that's the grief he's going through.

1051
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: I imagine, I mean the whole in my mind, the

1052
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: montage going on right now, Yeah, with the heart of

1053
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: the heart totally tugging music.

1054
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 2: The actual heart strings being pulled.

1055
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: That it is pulling my heart strings right now, imagining

1056
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: that montage in my head.

1057
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: But I like that about you, Thank you, Elizabeth. Eventually

1058
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: this all became too much for Ryan over in Georgia,

1059
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: or perhaps in my opinion, things didn't work out with

1060
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 2: his mystery. It was beck woman, oh fifty five hundred, yeah, exactly.

1061
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: He did not bring enough. So eventually he got on

1062
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: a plane and flew home to Wisconsin, where he was

1063
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: promptly arrested and booked in jail. That's where he gave

1064
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: a three hour interview and he told the deputies why

1065
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: he'd faked his death and tried and failed to start

1066
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: a new life. He told the deputies he'd done it

1067
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: because he felt like a failure. He had one hundred

1068
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: and thirty grand in debt at his cabinet making shop.

1069
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 2: He also had seventy five thousand dollars in credit card

1070
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 2: debt at home. Plus he and his wife had grown

1071
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: apart as the kids got older, they didn't have a

1072
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: good relationship anymore. And also he said his children didn't

1073
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: like him, or is he put it, they didn't want

1074
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: anything to do with me anymore. When you're feeling sorry

1075
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: for himself, right father, He told the investigators, quote, I

1076
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: think just the inability to feel like you could talk

1077
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: to your wife about some of this stuff, and maybe

1078
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: the complete hopelessness that you have in the situation that

1079
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: you're in. And you end up meeting a friend somewhere

1080
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: on the other side of the world who sort of

1081
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: has a somewhat similar story. You just end up becoming

1082
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Speaker 2: friends and the friend thing ends up turning into more.

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Speaker 2: But you didn't really plan on that. It wasn't your intention.

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Speaker 2: So a door kind of opens up for you in

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Speaker 2: a way that possibly make things work like that what

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Speaker 2: a self deluding church.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Gotia's like, no, come over with more money than this,

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Speaker 6: the matter can please and not to be I don't

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Speaker 6: mean stereotypical about it, but imagining if she's trying to

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Speaker 6: ply this guy away from his wife and kids.

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Speaker 2: She may not have the highest morals, and she's looking

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Speaker 2: at him as a score. And this is also rife

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Speaker 2: with scammers. Yes, Elizabeth, when he had stepped through that

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Speaker 2: door and ruined his whole damn life, he'd wanted to

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Speaker 2: apply for citizenship in Georgia, but he couldn't figure out

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Speaker 2: how to do it since he'd been declared dead or

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Speaker 2: was about to be declared dead. I guess he hadn't

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Speaker 2: researched that part of faking his death how to stay

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Speaker 2: alive legally. At the end of his three hour interview

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Speaker 2: with the deputies, Ryan asked if he could hop on

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Speaker 2: the Wi Fi and contact Katya.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just.

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Speaker 2: To let her know he'd made it home safely.

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Speaker 1: And I'm shocked that Katya was actually a woman. I honestly,

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Speaker 1: it was like, it's like a six creepy guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who's just gonna take advantage and take some door.

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Speaker 2: The warehouse knocks him out from there. Now he's homeless

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Speaker 2: in Georgia. Yes, So one of the deputies told Ryan

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Speaker 2: that he'd email Kachia on his behalf. We can't let

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Speaker 2: you be in contact.

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Speaker 1: I mean because you know that Katya was like like

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Speaker 1: saying that she was like a bikini model.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, wearing like a white fur coat.

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Speaker 1: But if you reverse searched, it's like from you know,

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Speaker 1: yeah she's also website.

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Speaker 2: Yeah she's also Sasha and she's also the next he

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Speaker 2: gets sent to court to be arraigned, and since he'd

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Speaker 2: already made plenty of terrible decisions, he told the judge

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Speaker 2: in his case that he planned to represent himself as

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Speaker 2: his own lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Great idea, but.

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Speaker 2: There, Elizabeth, there's the reason for that was quite simple.

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Speaker 2: All he had left to his name was twenty dollars.

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Speaker 2: This is why I thought Katya sent him home. So

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Speaker 2: the judge entered and not guilty plea on his behalf,

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Speaker 2: and he was released on bail. But Ryan switched his

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Speaker 2: please eventually to no contest, and the in court, the

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Speaker 2: judge Mark T. Slay told Ryan from the defendant, anyone

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Speaker 2: else was thinking about fake on their death. If you

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Speaker 2: persist in your deception, the longer you obstruct, the longer

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Speaker 2: you are duplicitous instead of coming forward and admitting your mistake,

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Speaker 2: the longer the penalty should be. So Ryan Borgward addressed

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Speaker 2: the court and he said, I deeply regret the actions

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Speaker 2: that I did that night and all the pain that

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Speaker 2: I caused my family and friends. The prosecutor asked for

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Speaker 2: guess how long in jail?

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Speaker 1: Ooh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Forty five days.

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Speaker 1: Forty five days, days, day.

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Speaker 2: Days, Elizabeth. But the judge was like, no, you were

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Speaker 2: gone for how long? Eighty nine days? You get eighty

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Speaker 2: nine days in jail.

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Speaker 1: Oh, really, that's it.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: As for his wife and the family he had left behind,

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Speaker 2: in December, his wife, Emily, filed for divorce. In her petition,

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Speaker 2: she said that her marriage was quote irretrievably broken. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so at least she got free her deadbeat husband. And

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Speaker 2: there you go the strange and pathetic tale of Ryan Borgward,

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00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: the wanna be ghost of Green Laked. So what's our

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Speaker 2: ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, my ridiculous takeaways? Do not run from problems

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Speaker 1: like I was saying. I was taught everything's an opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and particularly when you feel like everything's falling apart, you

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00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: have this opportunity, this window for change and like positive movement.

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Speaker 1: So he could have been really vulnerable and transparent with

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Speaker 1: his wife about what the issues were and they could

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Speaker 1: have worked together to figure out how are we going

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Speaker 1: to settle up these debts, restructure, move forward, or if

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Speaker 1: she still wasn't willing to discuss that with him, but

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Speaker 1: he would have to really suppress the ego and like

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Speaker 1: be open and vulnerable about it. If she's not well,

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00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: then now, okay, you realize this isn't your partner, so

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Speaker 1: we'll move forward from that. But this notion, and I

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00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: get the impression that made be like he got locked

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Speaker 1: into his life earlier than he anticipated, and so he

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Speaker 1: didn't have like a younger time.

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Speaker 2: No, think about it, his teenage kids, right, so he's

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Speaker 2: forty five. It means that he had the kids and

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Speaker 2: he's like at most his late twenties, so he had a.

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Speaker 1: Wild Okay, well then no, there's no excuse that way.

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Speaker 1: But I just I can't take that cowardice. I can't

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Speaker 1: take that that that fear, the selfishness, and it's oh,

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Speaker 1: the selfishness is insane. The number of people he impacted

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Speaker 1: eighty nine days.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's all I got. I couldn't live. But I

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Speaker 2: guess there weren't a lot of crimes ultimately that he.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be like passport fraud. That's gonna be like

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Speaker 1: a federal thing, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because he didn't really do any fraudulent stuff.

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Speaker 2: He just asked when your passport? Then he used it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing illegal about that.

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Speaker 1: Well he said he lost it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mostly about, like, you know, the faking the

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Speaker 2: death part. That's really the crimes he did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I'll just tell you my takeaway.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth. Please, if you.

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Speaker 2: Don't know how to turn on your e bike, you

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Speaker 2: have not fogged through anything, and therefore you're not ready

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Speaker 2: to tank your whole life now.

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Speaker 1: You have not reached criminal mastermind now or.

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Speaker 2: Even just really thought about what you're doing. You haven't

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Speaker 2: even gotten to that level of like planning. And then

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Speaker 2: it also optude, there's the emotional work that would be

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Speaker 2: necessary that I think he probably should have done first

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Speaker 2: before he got to the bike.

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad he knew how to ride a bike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, So are you ready for a talkback to

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Speaker 2: watch us all down? Can you hit us up in one?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Oh my god, because she.

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Speaker 1: Super I led.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Saron and Elizabeth. My name is Deanna. I recently

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Speaker 5: started listening to your show and I love it. I

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Speaker 5: just finished the episode about plant crimes, and it reminded

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Speaker 5: me of a plant crime that I had heard from

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Speaker 5: some coworkers. So there was a kid in their neighborhood

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Speaker 5: that would go around to each people's vegetable gardens and

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Speaker 5: steal all their vegetables. And not only that, though, he

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Speaker 5: would go afterwards and try and sell the vegetables back

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Speaker 5: to the people in their doors. He didn't wear shoes

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Speaker 5: when he was doing all this, so he was colloquially

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Speaker 5: known as the barefoot Bandit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's inventive.

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Speaker 1: It's very inventive. It just so happens my garden got robbed.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you showed.

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Speaker 2: Up very similar to what you might like. I can

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Speaker 2: tell you look like somebody who would like these lemon cucumbers. Well,

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. That's a beautiful talk pack. And

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Speaker 2: uh please, if you guys would like to hear your

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Speaker 2: voice and provide us a talk back like that, we'd

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Speaker 2: love to hear it. So go to the iHeart app downloaded,

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Speaker 2: leave a talkback and you might hear your voice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: or you can email us if you like. We'd love

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Speaker 2: to hear your stories. Write to ridiculous Crime at gmail

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Speaker 2: crime suggestions, so please reach out. You can also find

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Speaker 2: us online at Ridiculous Crime on Instagram and blue Sky,

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Speaker 2: That's where you can watch the videos and you can

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Speaker 2: go and like and subscribe and do all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And we have our website ridiculous Crime dot com. That's

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Speaker 2: out the beautiful design work that's there. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: So you know fingers crossed, Haron, I know, right, big news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's all we got for you, so thanks for

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Speaker 2: listening and we will catch you next crime. Ridiculous Crime

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