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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to the newest

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Speaker 1: edition of The Giants Huttle podcast and the Giants Podcast Network,

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Speaker 1: presented by Investors Bank. Today's guest is Ian Rappaport from

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Speaker 1: NFL Network. You can find them on Twitter at rap

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Speaker 1: sheet and of course, The Free Agent Frenzy begins Sunday

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Speaker 1: at one pm on NFL Network. Ian, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for being with us, man. How are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm bracing for which should be a pretty busy

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Speaker 1: week or so, but it's gonna be a little fun too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. You're one of the busiest guys

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Speaker 1: out there. Right now, let's get right to it with

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Speaker 1: the Giants. They put the franchise tag on Leonard Williams.

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Speaker 1: What's the urgency in your opinion for them trying to

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Speaker 1: get a long term deal done with him by the

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Speaker 1: start of the league year, which would obviously help their

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Speaker 1: salary cap situation. Yeah, I mean, I think there is urgency,

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Speaker 1: um And you know, these are tough deals to do

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Speaker 1: because you're talking a lot of millions of hours, and

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Speaker 1: of course he's got the franchise tag more than nineteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars, so the the salary is gonna be high.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of times the franchise tag is sort

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Speaker 1: of a benchmark for where you end up on a

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Speaker 1: long term deal. And you know, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of times these deals you tagg a guy with Lennard Williams,

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Speaker 1: you said, we'll worry about it in July, like it'll

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Speaker 1: we'll probably be fine, but worry about it in July

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Speaker 1: because of the way the salary cap is now that's

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Speaker 1: not really reality. So you tag someone, uh, the the

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Speaker 1: cap hit comes immediately, and then it gives you some

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Speaker 1: or getting a good financial spot whatever the team ends

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Speaker 1: up being. I think for the Giants, you know, they'd

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Speaker 1: like it to be potentially hopefully by Wednesday, um. And

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Speaker 1: when two sides want to do a deal and Leonard

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Speaker 1: Williams wants to be with the Giants, the Giants want

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Speaker 1: Leonard Williams. A lot of times, especially when you have

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Speaker 1: a fairly good barometer for where the deal is going

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Speaker 1: to come in because the franchise tag, usually these deals

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Speaker 1: can happen um just a lot of work to make

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Speaker 1: it happen as of right now. And this is kind

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Speaker 1: of an inside baseball thing. Do you know the status

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Speaker 1: of of the Williams grievance from last year trying to

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Speaker 1: get tagged as a defensive end giantes that is a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle? Uh, as of right now, I believe it

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Speaker 1: is still pending. And you know, so if there's no resolution,

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Speaker 1: then you know, you can do two things. You can

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Speaker 1: have either side argue that all right, my side is

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Speaker 1: definitely going to win, or you could have a really

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Speaker 1: should happen And what almost always happens is like, all right,

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Speaker 1: like let's just meet in the middle. And you know

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Speaker 1: that's and so really all it does is for last

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Speaker 1: year's salary this year's salary too, because I assume whatever

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Speaker 1: grievance was found last year, would you know, would theoretically

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Speaker 1: in the middle. It maybe gives the two sides a

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Speaker 1: little more to negotiate, but I don't think it's anything

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Speaker 1: that would stop a deal from happening. How about Dalvin Thomlinson.

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Speaker 1: He's the other big member of the Giants defense and

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Speaker 1: defensive line that's hitting free agency. Obviously, whether or not

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Speaker 1: they can come to that contract essential with Williams will

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Speaker 1: affect their ability to bring Tomlin to back. But how

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Speaker 1: big of a priority is he for the Giants to

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Speaker 1: is a priority now. I know he's gonna be coveted. Um.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, if you're a team like the Giants,

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Speaker 1: he is a very good player. But that's not just it.

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Speaker 1: He is also a leader. And you rarely have leaders

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Speaker 1: times to people who call the plays, Dalin Tomlinson is

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Speaker 1: a few things he loves more than defensive lineman. Maybe

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Speaker 1: one spot where I think you could over allocate or whatever, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna drastically lower his cap hit this year, actually

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible. Um like everything else. I mean,

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Speaker 1: recording this, by the way, on Thursday Morning Kids News

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Speaker 1: brace like Thursday attend. This is why we haven't mention did.

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Speaker 1: But the most recently the Giants that he was, they

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Speaker 1: decided to let go of Kevin Zeisler. That's to try

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Speaker 1: to get the cap in order save some money under

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Speaker 1: the cap. Anything else coming down the pike, you think

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Speaker 1: that could further assist the Giants in that endeavor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the first of all, you know, this was

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Speaker 1: not anyone's fault, but the way the cap is now,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like you have to mean, we're seeing it

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Speaker 1: for agency. Dave got him and talked to this pressure

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Speaker 1: mean you can definitely find that guy. Now, the Giants,

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Speaker 1: I think there's just a lot of really really good players. Um,

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Speaker 1: here right now. I'm just not gonna rush to anything

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Speaker 1: being great stuff, my friend, get back to the phone

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Speaker 1: and get back to breaking some news. We appreciate the time,

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks for having men. Take care. He's on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at a rap she getting the free agent Frenzy.

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