Speaker 1: We like to welcome you to another episode the Gainst
Speaker 1: the Chronicles podcast where gangst the Rap Lives and it's
Speaker 1: your boy Big Steal along with my guy. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me cut my fucking phone off too. You gotta make
Speaker 1: sure mans motherfuckers be calling for real and shit man.
Speaker 1: And it's funny is my wife had text me every
Speaker 1: show and say, what are you busy now? And I
Speaker 1: say no, I'm just in the middle of recording.
Speaker 2: We had. Yeah, yeah, you know we.
Speaker 1: Got a special guest now. I don't even like seeing
Speaker 1: a special guest man because he my homeboy. He no
Speaker 1: longer an' been knowing.
Speaker 2: You now though too long. I need new friends. New friends?
Speaker 1: Is the ones you got definitely getting old? They pieces
Speaker 1: of shit too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know, to be honest, we got
Speaker 2: to be a decade at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah for real man. You know what's funny You was
Speaker 1: in podcasting so early? When was g o for in
Speaker 1: Signal Hill? When we got the studio Signal Hill? How
Speaker 1: long ago was that? That was two eleven? We was
Speaker 1: doing Homegrown before that? Yeah, for real and Chuck's Apartment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Homegrown radio, college radio. Yeah, I don't seen you go
Speaker 1: through all your progressions and this ship and you the
Speaker 1: motherfucker man. I see you on it early arguing with
Speaker 1: Elliott Wilson them.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't necessarily think it's arguing. I would
Speaker 2: say more like organized discourse. Here.
Speaker 1: You gonna come start, man. You know this this, this
Speaker 1: is the cheap rent section.
Speaker 2: You can't come over here arguing it is. It is debate, conversation,
Speaker 2: aggressively conversation.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, man, Some of them dudes,
Speaker 1: and this is no disrespect to Elliott or any of them.
Speaker 2: That's whenever whenever a niggas say no disrespect, the disrespect
Speaker 2: for to come in no.
Speaker 3: Because your opinion for to be different than what a
Speaker 3: motherfucker talking about. No disrespect. But it's always a butt.
Speaker 3: Probably what's the butt?
Speaker 1: Don't it seem like it's a lot of corn balls
Speaker 1: that's commentating and speaking on hip hop nowadays?
Speaker 2: Haven't it always been? No?
Speaker 1: Not really, man, because I think about the catt that
Speaker 1: I thought were corn balls. Actually, you know, looking back,
Speaker 1: they really wasn't corn balls. They was great compared to
Speaker 1: this crop of motherfuckers we got today.
Speaker 2: I mean who compared to who? Though?
Speaker 3: Like, what do you mean as far as who like,
Speaker 3: what's what's the comparisons?
Speaker 4: What would you say, like a person that you felt was.
Speaker 2: You know, a.
Speaker 3: Great uh commentator on hip hop opposed to somebody who
Speaker 3: was corny as I think, you know what.
Speaker 1: Man doctor Dre and they a lover your MTV reps.
Speaker 1: I think they was cool. Okay, I think they was cool,
Speaker 1: big Tigger. Back then, we really didn't have nobody that
Speaker 1: was corny. We had you know what we had, guys,
Speaker 1: No I said, no ticket was tight, big ticket was
Speaker 1: So who was corny? You know what? Back then, I
Speaker 1: thought the dude Joe Claire, they hosted Rap City.
Speaker 2: For Nigga, said Joe Claire.
Speaker 1: I think Joe Claire for a minute, but then compared
Speaker 1: to the people that compared to the people that we
Speaker 1: got today, bro, that motherfucker was amazing.
Speaker 2: But what what what constitutes somebody is being corny?
Speaker 1: Just somebody that's not really from the culture. So they
Speaker 1: have this really skewed opinion on how stuff should be.
Speaker 1: Like I hear people saying like just just off the
Speaker 1: wall ship Like, well I heard that, you know, Kendrick
Speaker 1: just drug up a bunch of shit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, oh, I don't think he did this.
Speaker 1: It's like, motherfucker, what record you've been listening to? You
Speaker 1: saying you feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: What record? Just well? I think that people people always
Speaker 2: convolute their opinion for facts. They always say they always
Speaker 2: like they have an opinion about something, and in the
Speaker 2: opinion they pass off as a fact instead of it
Speaker 2: being an opinion. It's all artists all up to your
Speaker 2: it's your opinion. Eight got an opinion, you got an opinion.
Speaker 2: I have an opinion. So it's like, I think what
Speaker 2: happens is you just disagree with their opinion. But then
Speaker 2: it'd be a lot of people who I think what
Speaker 2: you would say come off as corner. They try to
Speaker 2: pass their opinion off like it's law exactly.
Speaker 3: You know, the days of your opinion to a motherfucker
Speaker 3: self is is their fact?
Speaker 4: You get me. You try to tell.
Speaker 3: Motherfuckers today that you know, nigga, that's really your opinion.
Speaker 3: But a motherfucker are you to death if they feel
Speaker 3: like bullshit? Nigga, I heard and then so and so said,
Speaker 3: and like I told the motherfucker the other day, there
Speaker 3: is no fact. It's just nigga. I want to get
Speaker 3: the story out or whatever it is. First, there is
Speaker 3: no facts to this shit. So, motherfucker, if you could
Speaker 3: tell the motherfucking nigga really what you're saying. It's your
Speaker 3: person and there's nothing wrong with that. But people feel
Speaker 3: like their personal opinions are their true fact.
Speaker 4: Nigga.
Speaker 3: That's whatever, nigga, You get me. So that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Right there.
Speaker 1: You see all are arguing, right, and people really be
Speaker 1: invested in this stuff like it's like like it's a
Speaker 1: matter of life and death. And I told somebody the
Speaker 1: other day, I said, bro, there's nothing because he said, well,
Speaker 1: he wanted to get the last word, Drake Won, I said,
Speaker 1: if you feel that in your heart, my god, that's
Speaker 1: cool because this stuff is subjective. It is there's no
Speaker 1: truth right or wrong. It's just who wins the who
Speaker 1: wins the public opinion, belly, you feel what I mean?
Speaker 1: If more people in public opinion seem like they're saying
Speaker 1: you won, that's the winner.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all it's all the court of public opinion.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of crazy to say, Drake one. But
Speaker 2: you know what, But but here's the thing, like everybody, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is how I look at opinions, right, opinion. You know,
Speaker 2: they'd be like, oh, it's like assholes. I think an
Speaker 2: opinion is like an independent record label. Everybody got one
Speaker 2: these days, right, So so when you look at it like, oh,
Speaker 2: you have an opinion, I have an opinion, it's like
Speaker 2: what he said, when you pass your opinion off, like
Speaker 2: that's it. That's where people got it sucked up. And
Speaker 2: I think that's where they go wrong.
Speaker 1: They get it really misconstrued. And then you have all
Speaker 1: and then forget the dudes that's getting paid to commentate. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the fans for a minute. You would
Speaker 1: see some of these fans, man, they would like they
Speaker 1: were about to cry.
Speaker 2: Man, I did see a fan cry, Actually you did, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did see the I saw these academics get emotional
Speaker 2: on his stream. I don't know if he cried because
Speaker 2: crime has a definition, but it was as close to
Speaker 2: it as possible. Yeah, it's like, it's not this series,
Speaker 2: it's a rep.
Speaker 4: It's a bat.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, man, but.
Speaker 3: Hey, shit is just weird man. Just niggas is just
Speaker 3: weird man today, Man, just take me back to the ages, man,
Speaker 3: fuck man, these niggas is weird.
Speaker 4: Man, Like.
Speaker 3: Man, I came from hip hop and beefing and whatever
Speaker 3: and opinions in fact, whatever, man, but it's fucking music
Speaker 3: shit or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Man, like you're getting emotional because like Nigga was, it
Speaker 3: makes me think, like what you got something invested in
Speaker 3: the ship.
Speaker 1: Like exactly. And you know what I told somebody the
Speaker 1: other day, I said, man, save that type of energy
Speaker 1: for your family, for your friends, for stuff that really
Speaker 1: matters in life. You sitting up, you're worried about two dudes,
Speaker 1: two people that got way more money than you.
Speaker 3: I mean, but a lot of this shit is for
Speaker 3: show man, if you want to ask me. You know,
Speaker 3: niggas get on and be streaming live and then like
Speaker 3: just a lot.
Speaker 2: Of this shit is for show man.
Speaker 3: It gotta be like, come on, this shit gotta be
Speaker 3: for show because grown ass me and acting like like man,
Speaker 3: this shit is crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Like to your point, though, I think
Speaker 2: that they do have stuff invested. You got you got
Speaker 2: to But but I don't think it's money or nothing
Speaker 2: or like it ain't like the person's signed to their
Speaker 2: label or a nothing like that. I think they invest
Speaker 2: it because it's a distraction from like life like, for instance,
Speaker 2: if you you know how like some people go get high,
Speaker 2: some people go get drunk, some people have their advices.
Speaker 2: Other people just dive into other people's lives, like when
Speaker 2: you watch reality TV. I don't personally watch reality TV
Speaker 2: because I got enough drama in my own life to
Speaker 2: where exactly real. So I think when you when you're
Speaker 2: going through real shit, I don't think you can really
Speaker 2: invest that much into other people's shit like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, still you sit up and be emotional or
Speaker 3: if your favorite artist got this, sitting at home crying
Speaker 3: and shit, motherfucking bro, I.
Speaker 1: Don't lose a bit of sleep. And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you this too. Everybody up here really no K do right,
Speaker 1: and they ain't there one of us got emotionally, you
Speaker 1: know what I was telling somebody, I said, if I
Speaker 1: would have thought K got lost, I would have said
Speaker 1: it too. And it don't mean that I still love
Speaker 1: him to death. It don't mean you have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with that. But he just lost a rap battle, y'all. Man,
Speaker 1: Drake got him. Because I'm not gonna lie when if
Speaker 1: one record came out, the drop and give him fifty records.
Speaker 1: You know that ship, I said, man, this shit is hot,
Speaker 1: this shit is hard, Kate, Like we had the rap.
Speaker 1: That's why I knew it would be interesting because he
Speaker 1: came with such a strong first record. Then when Doc
Speaker 1: came back, you know, he countered back, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: we got a fight now. Yeah, it wasn't no clear
Speaker 1: winner yet, but I said, Doc got action.
Speaker 2: You feel what I mean? Well, I think. I mean.
Speaker 2: The thing is I didn't even intentionally get involved. They
Speaker 2: dragged me into that shit, like I didn't have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with it. But when when he dropped the
Speaker 2: Push Ups record, I expressed a sentiment that everybody shares,
Speaker 2: like why is academics the only person on earth with
Speaker 2: the record? Like if you if it's your record, on
Speaker 2: to claim the record? Like where we from? You can't
Speaker 2: false flag, you can't. You can't even get away with that,
Speaker 2: right because they either either they gonna deal with you
Speaker 2: or they gonna deal with you. Somebody gonna deal with you. Right,
Speaker 2: So if that's your record, claim your record, that's your
Speaker 2: that's your song. Right. Why that's like me putting the
Speaker 2: record out and you're the only one in the world
Speaker 2: with it. Why it is not out? Why is not
Speaker 2: on my YouTube? Why is not on my SoundCloud. That
Speaker 2: was the only thing that I brought up. So once
Speaker 2: he claimed the record and it became real, I had
Speaker 2: no doubt that the hommy was gonna mop him up
Speaker 2: like it was. It's not to be honest, you know
Speaker 2: how like when people say, oh, h that's not a
Speaker 2: fair fight, right, if you watch boxing or whatever. Like
Speaker 2: if me and me and you go outside right now
Speaker 2: and you're like, man, let's fight, people gonna look at
Speaker 2: me and be like, well, at least head went out
Speaker 2: there and took the fade. Only time you say that
Speaker 2: is when you have doubt that the person gonna win. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you be like, oh, at least at least he went
Speaker 2: and fought. Though, whenever you say at least he went
Speaker 2: and fought, that means you already know like he had
Speaker 2: a disadvantage. He could get it in his ass. That's
Speaker 2: all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get in his ass. You know what I think, man,
Speaker 1: I think Drake is a top tier artist.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the reason why he's selling all these
Speaker 1: records right probably the most successful hip hop artists in
Speaker 1: the game right now. I would say, as of a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, you know, Doc might have took that
Speaker 1: spot from him.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but this is a decade long yeah you know, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fair to say he's had a ring, man, and
Speaker 2: he's not trash.
Speaker 1: I told somebody, I said, man, you can't even have
Speaker 1: an opinion without somebody. This girl told me you just
Speaker 1: don't like him. I said, I don't have nothing in best.
Speaker 1: I don't have nothing personal against this man. I don't
Speaker 1: even know him. There's nothing personal. I just feel like
Speaker 1: base from the music i've heard. This is a little
Speaker 1: bit strong gro over here. I didn't even say his
Speaker 1: stuff was whack. I said a little bit stronger. She
Speaker 1: got mad and told me I was an old ass hater.
Speaker 1: She told me, yeah, I know, older motherfucker already. But
Speaker 1: it was just like, you can't even have an opinion.
Speaker 3: Still you up in here clean tonight, man, I'm noticing
Speaker 3: you clean?
Speaker 2: Hum up?
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I got a jacket on, man, I got the beard clean,
Speaker 2: took the.
Speaker 1: Beard off dog. You know what it was, man, you
Speaker 1: know what it was. When I went to see my mama,
Speaker 1: she said, is you a Muslim now?
Speaker 3: And I said, you walking around? Yeah, you had the
Speaker 3: O G Muslim and ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, man, I don't have I said, mama, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not a Muslim now yeah, and then she said,
Speaker 1: well why do you have that? They just seemed like
Speaker 1: a bit much. Can you run a cam across it?
Speaker 1: I said, mam, I just got off the plane right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that scruffy look. Man, you're looking clean in this month.
Speaker 1: My mother in law was telling me I was looking
Speaker 1: like for deal Castro. They had all kinds of jokes man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. I bet your wife liked
Speaker 3: that type of ship. Nice and clean, shaven, now looking decent,
Speaker 3: looking at looking looking acceptable.
Speaker 2: You would just be the one to call it.
Speaker 3: I had to call it because I'm getting that. I'm
Speaker 3: about tired of the Drake and Kendrick stuff. That's why
Speaker 3: we talked about this ship for two weeks. Now it's
Speaker 3: time to move on. It's time to move on from
Speaker 3: Drake and Kendrick because it's over with. It's just it's done.
Speaker 3: We we keep we keep putting fire on motherfucking burning ashes.
Speaker 3: You get me, We keep trying the ashes is you know,
Speaker 3: when you get through barbecuing and they tell you to
Speaker 3: pour the water on the ship and the water is dead.
Speaker 3: That's where this ship is at right now.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Yeah, if Drake dropped
Speaker 1: another record righting down, what it even.
Speaker 3: Matter it's done with because it's done got upstairs, and
Speaker 3: we done talked about that.
Speaker 4: It's then went.
Speaker 3: Upstairs because like you said, they done told people you
Speaker 3: gotta cut this shit out. You're talking pedophiles and child
Speaker 3: molestations and all of that, and regardless, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, that don't sit well with the nigga
Speaker 3: sitting upstairs. You get me, the nigga who's sitting upstairs
Speaker 3: with the three P suit on and eighty years old
Speaker 3: and can barely walk and signing everybody checks. He like,
Speaker 3: nigga's bigger than that shit. We got big ass billion
Speaker 3: dollar companies ready to pull out because you niggas is
Speaker 3: calling each other names and all kind of crazy shit.
Speaker 3: Y'all fucking with the money, give me fuck the little
Speaker 3: rap money. Y'all collect the nigga you fucking with, You
Speaker 3: fucking with motherfucking president, your motherfucking persuades it, money and ship.
Speaker 3: You get me, So it's time to cut this ship
Speaker 3: out because you got big motherfuckers want to pull out
Speaker 3: a ship because first of all, we can't be dealing
Speaker 3: with motherfuckers who just just the just the just the
Speaker 3: whisper of that type of ship. What pedophile, what kids
Speaker 3: and child? Whoa you know that because that spook a
Speaker 3: motherfuck in a minute, spook a Nike a motherfucking you
Speaker 3: get me a nigger and big book, then please, nigga,
Speaker 3: we can't have no no kind of no kind of
Speaker 3: touching on that ship.
Speaker 2: Was that Was that like an issue like your when
Speaker 2: you was doing your thing? Like was that was that
Speaker 2: ever a worry about like endorsement deals?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, because we were still at the we were
Speaker 3: still at the point of where we were an afterthought
Speaker 3: to companies. You get me, I come from the era
Speaker 3: of before the aster PE's and cash moneys and quality
Speaker 3: controls and you know, like you said, everybody who got
Speaker 3: their own independent label.
Speaker 4: Now I come before that.
Speaker 2: I come.
Speaker 4: I come from the era of.
Speaker 3: You know, corporate ass motherfucking white men who was running labels,
Speaker 3: and we just happened to be a motherfucking staple on
Speaker 3: the back of the bigger picture. So it was we
Speaker 3: didn't have fucking investors and corporate sponsorships for motherfucker. That
Speaker 3: was that was niggas like Hammer and shit. You know,
Speaker 3: you had to be that big.
Speaker 2: I never even reached down to where y'all was at.
Speaker 3: For motherfucking you see how my nigga dre and them
Speaker 3: at the super Bowl with low riders and crip walking
Speaker 3: man pepsi coat and then please give them some money
Speaker 3: to these niggas, these niggas talking about shooting niggas and
Speaker 3: riding and riders and that bumpty bumpty bu hey. Now,
Speaker 3: so we didn't we didn't deal with that. You have
Speaker 3: to be on a different pa. You had to be
Speaker 3: a Vanilla Ice or mc hammer to get corporate sponsorship,
Speaker 3: Hammer had Taco bell Man.
Speaker 2: Come on, you know, I want to ask I got
Speaker 2: two questions I wanted to ask you personally. But the
Speaker 2: first one is about like the content and the music,
Speaker 2: like you're saying, they saying, they making all these accusations
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But then also when you look
Speaker 2: at you know, how like people be like, oh they
Speaker 2: they telling them themselves and the records. Now the kids,
Speaker 2: the kids, the young dudes is out here saying that
Speaker 2: they shot Johnny and they really didn't shoot Johnny definitely,
Speaker 2: but that was that was also kind of a thing
Speaker 2: like back in the day too, where our company what
Speaker 2: y'all was saying on the on the records.
Speaker 3: I mean because we were giving you well, you know
Speaker 3: you shot Johnny and really I'm basically telling you a
Speaker 3: story of tales from the hood.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's still, but it's based on a true story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because I'm not dumb.
Speaker 3: I'm not that dumb where I'm gonna be like me
Speaker 3: and motherfucking Chill went through so and so and the
Speaker 3: niggas was standing at Eddie's liquor store and Chill jumped
Speaker 3: out with the deuce. Dudes popped the nigga knowing, damn well,
Speaker 3: a week ago we pulled up at Eddie's Liquor and
Speaker 3: popped two niggas. I'm not gonna do that. What I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do is, I'm gonna tell you and everybody's hood,
Speaker 3: somebody finna get popped. I'm telling you, if you slang dope,
Speaker 3: you gonna probably go to jail. I'm telling you, niggas
Speaker 3: who gang bang did drive bys?
Speaker 2: You get me.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying little Tooty from my block nigga last
Speaker 3: week jumped out on the nigga at the Burger stand
Speaker 3: shot him with the thirty eight nigga blew his head off.
Speaker 2: Into his mama house on Carling.
Speaker 3: And Nigga, it's it's and the and I and I
Speaker 3: feel like the way that hip hop is, you know.
Speaker 2: As far as how that path is going.
Speaker 3: It's because, like you said, rap has turned into the
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, man, the new dope
Speaker 3: game to hustle whatever whatever you want to say it is.
Speaker 3: But it's a way for these the young homies now
Speaker 3: to glorify the aspect of their identity where they're from.
Speaker 3: You get me. We couldn't do that back then.
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get on the record and say try New
Speaker 3: Park so and so and so and so because the
Speaker 3: label would go, know, they knew the problems of that ship.
Speaker 3: Doing that wasn't making them money back then. It's making
Speaker 3: money now because niggas then depended with it, and then
Speaker 3: the niggas who get on it's like perfect. Look at him,
Speaker 3: be a young boy, nigga. I'm gonna talk nigga.
Speaker 4: Fuck you.
Speaker 3: We came through Woompy wom Look at the niggas in
Speaker 3: Shy Town and any little hard hood nigga from from
Speaker 3: Compton to motherfucking Georgia. You get me, nigga, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go in my kitchen and I'm gonna tell a nigga
Speaker 3: I'm from so and so on, I'm from this and that.
Speaker 3: We got to tou tou and womped because it's the
Speaker 3: it's to solidify their identity. Now, you get me back,
Speaker 3: then you had to rap. We had to rap to
Speaker 3: prove your identity. Now all you gotta do is say
Speaker 3: what nigga hit you bust? Or what nigga hit you
Speaker 3: beefing with? Or what nigga we shot a nigga and
Speaker 3: wompty wom that's the hip hop for that type of shit.
Speaker 3: We tried to be you know, we tried to explain
Speaker 3: the pitfalls of of gang life because the aspect was
Speaker 3: nobody understood what was going on. Dumb motherfuckers thought we
Speaker 3: banging just to wear red and blue bandanas.
Speaker 4: You get me, that's what we have.
Speaker 3: So it was more of us explaining what was going on.
Speaker 2: You get me.
Speaker 3: They know what the fuck is going on now they've
Speaker 3: been seeing it for thirty years now.
Speaker 1: It's profitable, Yeah, especially considering the fact like the King
Speaker 1: von Kid, right, I believe he sold more records after
Speaker 1: he died than when he was alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's usually how it goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tupaca, Yeah, you know the gang problem. I mean
Speaker 3: it's been around since the beginning, but it's so fascinating
Speaker 3: when I look up right now because I said niggas
Speaker 3: was hood niggas back then and whatever, but.
Speaker 2: It's a gang if you look.
Speaker 3: At the last five years, it's a a of these
Speaker 3: little niggas who just this week, this nigga got killed,
Speaker 3: this week, this nigga got and and it's fucked up
Speaker 3: because it's associated hip or hip hop. Man, you get me.
Speaker 3: Back then, that just would have been some gang killings
Speaker 3: and ship.
Speaker 2: Why you think that hip hop is so it's it's
Speaker 2: synonymous with violence that way, because I don't, because don't.
Speaker 2: I was just having this conversation on last week when
Speaker 2: everything was going on my on my on my thread,
Speaker 2: on my timeline. I was like, bro, people think hip
Speaker 2: hop is violent? Have you ever listened to Corrido's music
Speaker 2: like that met Domesican music?
Speaker 3: Oh no, man, please, They saying, wow, nigga, they talk
Speaker 3: about that Donk Diller and who run the town and
Speaker 3: the big narcos and man, please, why bang that ship?
Speaker 2: Why is hip hop the only way that it's looked
Speaker 2: at like that? Like because as opposed to like country,
Speaker 2: even some country songs and country songs. I heard a
Speaker 2: couple of country music records on.
Speaker 3: Music is Man. The Narco music is on point. But
Speaker 3: I think it's because and we've always got the negative
Speaker 3: spin the black man and that's man. Come on, man,
Speaker 3: we've always got the negatives. Just listen to what you
Speaker 3: just said. I mean, they got mother for the essays nigga,
Speaker 3: they got bands, nigga, so and so they.
Speaker 2: Came through it. Man.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes a difference, because nigga
Speaker 3: they treacherous. We talk about our gang life and ship.
Speaker 3: Narco's been treacherous.
Speaker 2: So maybe you could say it if it's in melody.
Speaker 3: I think just I think because it's the nature of
Speaker 3: the beasts. As far as the black man is concerned,
Speaker 3: we've always been looked at negatively when it comes to
Speaker 3: the situations like that, and people aren't reminded enough that,
Speaker 3: you know, gang culture.
Speaker 2: And all that shit. Nigga.
Speaker 3: I watched the mob been al Capone and fucking Lefty
Speaker 3: Luciano and all their motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: That's what was game.
Speaker 3: Even though they was calling themselves the mob, that was
Speaker 3: gang shit.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 3: It was money, it was drugs, protocol. It was niggas
Speaker 3: getting politics. You get me, just like a street gang today,
Speaker 3: you get me. We don't have a you know, some
Speaker 3: niggas some do some gangs out of tears of the
Speaker 3: leaders and the followers and the soldiers and all that.
Speaker 3: But it's still I just think because it was Black
Speaker 3: culture and we've always been looked at negatively when it
Speaker 3: came to the streets.
Speaker 2: Exactly was it like that? Though? Like was it like
Speaker 2: that when when hip hop first came from New York? Like?
Speaker 2: Cause I think the problem with that is we was
Speaker 2: already hood niggas, so the music just came later.
Speaker 3: It just came later, and then we still had niggas.
Speaker 3: Like That's why I say West Coast music was different.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, we had niggas like the
Speaker 3: Wrecking Crew, and we had Bobby Jimmy and the Critters
Speaker 3: and shit with you know, songs like that when but
Speaker 3: the gang problems were still there. Before I heard my rap,
Speaker 3: first rap record, it was niggas on the block, gang banging.
Speaker 3: I still got five years old, niggas was drive by shooting,
Speaker 3: you get me.
Speaker 4: So before I even picked up a.
Speaker 3: Microphone, I was gang banging. It was already in its existence.
Speaker 3: Hey had. And not to cut you off, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say this. We had niggas like Mixed, Master Spade and
Speaker 3: Toddy T who gave us that type of music of
Speaker 3: what was going on in the neighborhood. But I think
Speaker 3: because of the gang culture that we had already established
Speaker 3: on the West Coast is when when hip hop fell
Speaker 3: into it. Just you know what I'm saying, when they
Speaker 3: tell you to go from simmer to a boil, and
Speaker 3: that's just what That's just what the fuck happened, You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. We went from a light simmer
Speaker 3: and to once once motherfucking crack came in and then
Speaker 3: easy in them got to tell the niggas they were
Speaker 3: straight out of Compton and and and the whole image
Speaker 3: was getting broadcasted across the motherfucking world. Shit just got
Speaker 3: turned up, man, And it was just a different time.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine we didn't even have the internet back then.
Speaker 3: Oh that just came from kt AM radio station. Well
Speaker 3: it's the only station that played I remember we would
Speaker 3: play that station man from early in the morning to night.
Speaker 1: You would hear easy E, you would hear king t,
Speaker 1: you hear miss mess Fade all day.
Speaker 2: It was popping. Yeah, I couldn't imagine then.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just feeding us hip hop man,
Speaker 3: just like man fuck it. It was like, oh, now
Speaker 3: we really got an identity. I mean because we was
Speaker 3: already turned up banging Parliament and Atomic Dog and more
Speaker 3: Bounce and shit like that in the hood. So when
Speaker 3: you're throwing some now we got some Curtis Blow the Bang,
Speaker 3: and we got some motherfucking run DMC the Bang, and
Speaker 3: then some Beastie Boys the Bang. It just it just
Speaker 3: it made the notches go up higher because now niggas
Speaker 3: feeling like, oh, we got niggas speaking. And even though
Speaker 3: them niggas was on the hip to hop shit and stale,
Speaker 3: was like the way they was representing themselves, you get me,
Speaker 3: niggas was they was nigga, the Jerry Curls nigga jumping
Speaker 3: out of Cadillacs, Nigga with Dookie gold ropes on. It
Speaker 3: still gave niggas the image of them niggas from the streets.
Speaker 1: You get me, niggas wasn't the mother remember the damn
Speaker 1: right they played run DMC. But it was a lot
Speaker 1: of parody back then because you would hear both. You
Speaker 1: would hear like an EPMD record and for the because
Speaker 1: it was like EPMB was a West Coast group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a lot of that weird Al Yankovic
Speaker 3: shit going on, like you said, parody records and ship.
Speaker 1: It was like a lot of period like you would
Speaker 1: have Bobby Jimmy and the critters, like look at all
Speaker 1: these roaches. He would take a song and make it like.
Speaker 2: A Yeah, they would.
Speaker 4: They would flip rap a lot of stuff for.
Speaker 2: A minute, doog.
Speaker 1: West Coast hip hop was real embarrassing, But then it
Speaker 1: was a lot of hot shit too, Like King Tinam had.
Speaker 3: A cracking your T like I said, Tela had a
Speaker 3: cracking uh Spade, Toddy T, Nick Master Ken, they had
Speaker 3: it cracking on the aspect of we knew that hip
Speaker 3: hop wasn't just my Adidas and my Lee jeans and
Speaker 3: you know, push it and you get me, like we
Speaker 3: knew that it wasn't like friendly rap you get me.
Speaker 2: As an aggression to it.
Speaker 3: We were we knew that ship, but we still played
Speaker 3: motherfucking that type of shit because that's what what was
Speaker 3: floating around.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you something, man, it could be
Speaker 1: kind of controversial when you you were on a major
Speaker 1: radio station out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You know, everything at radio is about the bottom line,
Speaker 1: is with testing, what's calling out? You know, I think
Speaker 1: people searching records all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think people just think, oh man, they played the record. No,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of thought that goes in there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's saying it's protocols.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, like you just can't go up
Speaker 1: there and play any record that you're want to.
Speaker 2: Do. You think that system is flawed, yes, but it's
Speaker 2: not flow. So here's the thing about radio. And I
Speaker 2: was at iHeart for seven years and I just left
Speaker 2: what last year or two years ago? I've been going
Speaker 2: that damn. So yeah, I've been going two years now.
Speaker 2: I left. But the thing about radio that people misconstrued
Speaker 2: and they think radio is not no matter. Now this
Speaker 2: is gonna sound really bad, and I probably shouldn't say this,
Speaker 2: but radio is not what they mark get it to
Speaker 2: you as like oh this is the people station or
Speaker 2: oh this is for us by That's not what it is.
Speaker 2: The radio is just like any of the business. It's
Speaker 2: a business, and their job is to generate revenue. Right
Speaker 2: So in the and and their business motto is to
Speaker 2: sell advertising. So just like if you have a podcast
Speaker 2: or you have a YouTube and there's an ad that
Speaker 2: pops up, that's all the radio is there to do
Speaker 2: is to generate those ad those ad impressions. Right. So
Speaker 2: they want to they want you to hear that car dealership.
Speaker 2: They want you to hear that soft drink that they sell.
Speaker 3: Or whatever that that two pays, whatever they're selling, right.
Speaker 2: So the way the system is set up it is
Speaker 2: to incentivize people to hear as many advertisements as possible.
Speaker 2: With that being said, that's why they play the most
Speaker 2: popular songs in the world or in the country. Because
Speaker 2: if you are a bit if you if you have
Speaker 2: a podcast, if you own the Gangster Chronicles podcasts, and
Speaker 2: you know that there's going to be a million people
Speaker 2: listening to this Drake record, you want your podcast advertisement
Speaker 2: to come right after that drink record, not after an unknown,
Speaker 2: big steal record that nobody heard. Because you're gonna get
Speaker 2: you're gonna minimize the amount of people listening. That's all
Speaker 2: the radio is it's not really rocket science. And then
Speaker 2: when it comes to the DJs and the radio personalities
Speaker 2: playing what they want, it's not just protocols, but and
Speaker 2: the protocol is you can't just play whatever you want.
Speaker 2: It's not your shit. It's not that, it's that, it's
Speaker 2: not that, just like I don't know. That's how I
Speaker 2: know that a lot of people didn't. Wasn't raised right
Speaker 2: whenever I have conversations about radio, because I don't know
Speaker 2: how y'all grew up. I can just go in the
Speaker 2: kitchen and just take whatever I want. This is not
Speaker 2: your kitchen. My mom is. I pay the bills here,
Speaker 2: This is my refrigerator, This is my food. You come
Speaker 2: to me and you see and now I might let
Speaker 2: you get at this off a couple of times, but
Speaker 2: this ain't finna be every day you in here just
Speaker 2: taking whatever you want, the fruit snacks, the Graham crackers
Speaker 2: or whatever fruit snacks the first day.
Speaker 3: Goddamn right, So long story short, Always trying to explain
Speaker 3: to people like when you are talking to radio per
Speaker 3: personalities and DJs approach you from a standpoint of they
Speaker 3: have to check what they with whoever they superior is
Speaker 3: before they can.
Speaker 2: Play what they want to play, not only that you can't.
Speaker 2: I'm not I shouldn't say this, but I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: it anyway. Whenever a DJ, a lot of DJs, especially
Speaker 2: here in LA, I'm gonna say this here. I was
Speaker 2: gonna wait to say this publicly, but a lot of
Speaker 2: you DJ's in LA I got a problem with. And
Speaker 2: I got a problem with y'all because either one, you
Speaker 2: don't care about people, or to you ignorant. Either way,
Speaker 2: it's a problem. You don't care about people because you're
Speaker 2: not doing them a service by running and playing their
Speaker 2: record on the radio. And two you either ignorant because
Speaker 2: you don't know that that doesn't benefit them. There's a
Speaker 2: system called media Base. Media Base monitors all the radio stations,
Speaker 2: and you get credit whenever somebody plays your song on
Speaker 2: the radio. If Big Still make a record, or if
Speaker 2: Blasts make a record, or if Todd Alla sign give
Speaker 2: me a record right now, we in the studio and
Speaker 2: I run them to the rail station, I play it.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna benefit him because it's not registered in
Speaker 2: the system, so he gets credit for it, so he
Speaker 2: can't get paid for it. It's not monetized, right, So
Speaker 2: when a DJ. I'm not gonna say names, but when
Speaker 2: DJs be like, oh, this is the new so and so,
Speaker 2: it's hottest in the streets, you're not doing that person
Speaker 2: of service by playing that record on the radio. You're
Speaker 2: actually hurting them because they're not getting paid on that
Speaker 2: record number one and number two once you run it
Speaker 2: up a certain amount of spins. Let's say you get
Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty spins in LA. You're playing
Speaker 2: this record on the radio. Now, the record is supposed
Speaker 2: to go to research, and research means that they test
Speaker 2: the record in the market. They do various ways of
Speaker 2: testing the record. They go out and they test it
Speaker 2: amongst the people, and if you get a positive score,
Speaker 2: they keep it on the radio. If you get a
Speaker 2: negative score, they take it off the radio. I've been there.
Speaker 2: I've literally been at work doing my show and my
Speaker 2: boss came in and told me like, Hey, you know
Speaker 2: that song that we've been playing forty times a week,
Speaker 2: your Homeboy, that we've been playing forty times a week,
Speaker 2: this song not registered. I'm like, what you mean. It's
Speaker 2: nowhere to be found. It's not on Apple, it's not
Speaker 2: on Spotify, it's not on sound It's only exists on SoundCloud.
Speaker 2: Pull it out now, you don't get you don't get
Speaker 2: a second chance on that record, your shot, right. I've
Speaker 2: seen these people pull a Beyonce record after she did
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. Yeah that record not testing? Well, pull
Speaker 2: that out. It's Beyonce, So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So people be taking it personal like it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't fuck with me, and no, no, I actually
Speaker 2: do fuck with your Shout out to little dudes too
Speaker 2: from Inglewood because he actually called me a couple of
Speaker 2: years later and said that he appreciated me for giving
Speaker 2: him that game. But a lot of people ain't sharing
Speaker 2: that information. You know how many people are defended you
Speaker 2: from man. I can imagine people think I'm an asshole.
Speaker 2: I can be, but I don't do what you want
Speaker 2: me to do. I do what's best for you. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna tell you I like your song. If I
Speaker 2: think it's trash, I'm not gonna go advocate for your record.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go advocate for your record in these
Speaker 2: buildings with these white people because I know what they're
Speaker 2: looking for.
Speaker 3: So what do you call those people who do that?
Speaker 3: Because you got a lot of those that won't give
Speaker 3: that now. I'm just gonna be honest. Man, it's not
Speaker 3: a good record, it's not a good song.
Speaker 2: What do I call those people?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I'm me.
Speaker 3: I don't It's a lot of those though, you get me.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of records that shouldn't even see the
Speaker 3: light of day. But you got a lot of code
Speaker 3: signers and a lot of motherfuckers who go, oh no, man,
Speaker 3: that motherfucker hard at fuck.
Speaker 2: Let's roll with that. You know what I told the homie, Sorry,
Speaker 2: you know what I told the homie about that. The
Speaker 2: hommy was like, you know, man, you just be hating.
Speaker 2: I'm like really, He's like, yeah, you the problem. I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: let me paint a picture for you then, bro, Since
Speaker 2: I'm the problem, right, because I'm the gatekeeper and I'm
Speaker 2: the one that's stopping you from eating by not playing
Speaker 2: your song on the radio, not knowing that you get
Speaker 2: less than you get a third of a penny for
Speaker 2: every time you get played on the radio. But since
Speaker 2: I'm holding you back in life, let me give you
Speaker 2: some game. You went to the studio because you don't
Speaker 2: record in the house. You go to a studio, you
Speaker 2: went to the studio. At the studio, there was a producer,
Speaker 2: there was an engineer, there was four girls. That's six people,
Speaker 2: right there was that's six people. Then on top of
Speaker 2: that you had three of the homies there. That's nine people.
Speaker 2: After that you got the song mixed. That's another person.
Speaker 2: That's ten people. Then when it got mastered, that's eleven people.
Speaker 2: So you mean to tell me that this song was
Speaker 2: trashed through eleven other people, and because I told you
Speaker 2: it was trash, I'm the asshole. That's not crazy. You
Speaker 2: know what the problem is.
Speaker 3: All of me is them ten before you. It's telling
Speaker 3: the nigga that is whole.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say, that's the problem. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to tell I'm not the problem.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets honest. Now, I don't exactly just be an.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly an asshole all the time. If I
Speaker 1: hear a record and it's not a good record, I
Speaker 1: can steal somebody. You need to go back to the before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, I have no problem. Yeah, I've heard them.
Speaker 4: Like nigga that don't sound good.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember eight I was a and R man.
Speaker 1: I actually had an a and r job And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. When I first took the position, it was
Speaker 1: hard telling somebody that they ship was trash. You know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be nicecause some of the people are
Speaker 1: actually cool people. What would you tell them?
Speaker 3: But after a while I would say, I know, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't say it was trash.
Speaker 1: I would try to tell them because I heard two
Speaker 1: types of trash. It was two types of trash, right,
Speaker 1: it was two types of trash. You would have a person, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you would have you would actually have a person.
Speaker 1: You would actually have an artist that may have had talent,
Speaker 1: but they just had bad production. The hook game might
Speaker 1: have been. You know, you could tell they still needed
Speaker 1: some more development, right, those people, I would kind of
Speaker 1: spend time and tell them, hey, you need to do this,
Speaker 1: and I would refirm like I would send people over
Speaker 1: the fingers moaning fingers hot at the time. I would say, man,
Speaker 1: you just need to beat your producer and good. You
Speaker 1: just need to go get you a producer, you know,
Speaker 1: go holler at fingers or you had the people that
Speaker 1: didn't have no talent, didn't have none. You would be
Speaker 1: looking at them like why would you go to and
Speaker 1: what was funny. You got those two different dynamics, right,
Speaker 1: You got the one person that got talent but can't
Speaker 1: afford in the studio time, and you got motherfucker is trash.
Speaker 1: And it seemed like he got unlimited resource. He got
Speaker 1: a thirty thousand dollars music video with it. He bought
Speaker 1: some tracks from Scott Storks. He on bought a verse
Speaker 1: from this person. And you hear the record, and what
Speaker 1: they make the mistake and do is they'll put the
Speaker 1: feature that they brought first. Right, So you hear this
Speaker 1: jam and ass beat, you hear feet like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is hard. Then he come on and it's like, broh,
Speaker 1: you just went on to waste all this money on
Speaker 1: this record. That's not good man, it's not a good record.
Speaker 1: I had no problem telling nobody shit. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a problem telling people that they shit was trash.
Speaker 2: Well, do you know what's interesting about that? I used
Speaker 2: to I've never had a problem with that. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know that like me and you have had that
Speaker 2: conversation before. But I've never had a problem telling people
Speaker 2: that their music was trash. What I have a problem
Speaker 2: with is them having a problem with me after they
Speaker 2: asked me, yeah, you can't ask me something and then
Speaker 2: be mad at my answer. You if you request information
Speaker 2: and I give you information, you then can't be mad
Speaker 2: at the information I gave you because I didn't walk
Speaker 2: in the studio and be like, you know't ate that
Speaker 2: that record trash bro. You Now, if you asked me
Speaker 2: and you say, hey, what's your nigga about this?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: That shit garbage, you can't be mad because you asked me, right,
Speaker 2: stuff that makes it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people are real sensitive when they kind.
Speaker 1: Of people needed to stop being so fucking sensitive though
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen, nah, especially doing music. H You
Speaker 1: you've had a successful music career. I ain't gonna say
Speaker 1: ad because that's pair you're still selling records. You had
Speaker 1: people that didn't like your music, right, oh all the time.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Music is so subjective, and that's
Speaker 1: what I would tell people at the end of the day. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't like it, man, but I've heard work ship
Speaker 1: going to you know, going to do it incredible shit.
Speaker 2: When I first heard them, I ain't even gonna do that.
Speaker 4: Man, put it out there.
Speaker 3: It is because listen, a gang of shit is trash
Speaker 3: today and you see motherfucker's selling a gang out of it, Like,
Speaker 3: come on, there's a lot of trash that's out right now,
Speaker 3: but it's pushed like it's the number one ship going.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm gonna tell you, man, is that just.
Speaker 4: Because mother I don't want to say this.
Speaker 3: Man, motherfuckers have the resources to force feed you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you there was a girl that was
Speaker 1: a singer. I'm not gonna say her name because she
Speaker 1: was huge, especially on the West coast.
Speaker 2: Because we're gonna figure that ship out in a minute.
Speaker 2: It's thing.
Speaker 1: You know, she wasn't the prettiest girl, and you know
Speaker 1: she wasn't. I ain't gonna say she was ugly. Well,
Speaker 1: she didn't.
Speaker 2: Look like a star.
Speaker 4: What she was about what a four?
Speaker 1: She was about a four or five and she had
Speaker 1: these big, huge records. Dog, And I would be like,
Speaker 1: I remember her name though, but I'm not gonna say it.
Speaker 2: Dog. But that ship was a truth. No, I say
Speaker 2: it's initials.
Speaker 4: It was the name of one of the songs.
Speaker 2: The initials.
Speaker 1: I said, like this first name begins with ah.
Speaker 4: You just did it right there. Somebody gonna figure that
Speaker 4: ship and.
Speaker 1: Their primary markt was like the Ox Gnar Baker's Field
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It played like because she was a Mexican girl.
Speaker 3: Okay, you just keep writing, put it out there, yeah,
Speaker 3: walk it down, but walk it down.
Speaker 1: It was pretty bad and people thought this ship was amazing.
Speaker 1: And you can't say that because you looked like a
Speaker 1: motherfucking hater saying something. She's selling out, Jen ughs And
Speaker 1: I be like, man, something must be wrong with me.
Speaker 2: I just don't see it.
Speaker 3: Think sometimes that be the culture of who the people are.
Speaker 3: When you just said she was a Spanish chick, they
Speaker 3: support they motherfucking people.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you I don't think race
Speaker 1: had nothing. I don't think race has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with talent because I've heard some Mexican girls that they're tight.
Speaker 1: They gotta hit records. You know the Homi beer shot.
Speaker 1: He don't send me shitting out? Why this shit is amazing?
Speaker 2: It was tight? Good is good? Bad?
Speaker 1: It is bad, bro. But I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 1: Nowadays it's well, you know what, and it's been that way.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say nowadays. Radio has always been about
Speaker 1: money for independent artists. If you've seen the independent artist
Speaker 1: that was getting the record paid five hundred and six
Speaker 1: hundred times a week. It was some money being paid
Speaker 1: for that dog. You have to after a while, I
Speaker 1: can say this not because I don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about no radio station playing my record. I remember I
Speaker 1: was promoting the record, right, and we went on a
Speaker 1: promo run, and I know I spent the gang of money.
Speaker 1: I spent like thirty thousand dollars a dog. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And I was about like up to
Speaker 1: like two hundred and fifty three hundred spins a week, right,
Speaker 1: And I kept noticing in the orders to sustain the
Speaker 1: record and keep them playing it, I kept having to
Speaker 1: paid pread dog. Kept had to pay fucking money.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: And then I learned the hard way because somebody told me,
Speaker 1: because to see at least in a rhythmic market that's
Speaker 1: the West Coast, you know what I mean, Like the
Speaker 1: c CHR stations, the rhythmic stations, right, they all have
Speaker 1: a mixed show format, you feel.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was collecting a lot of spins like that, right,
Speaker 1: I had somebody that was about to add my record,
Speaker 1: and instead of my dumb ass just being happy with
Speaker 1: the you know, mixed show action, I was getting I
Speaker 1: paid money and the PD got fired the next day.
Speaker 1: But I can say this is because this in their defense,
Speaker 1: I didn't physically give the program the record of the money.
Speaker 1: I gave it to the promoter that was with me,
Speaker 1: the laders of the promoter, and I got up and
Speaker 1: went to the bathroom. And that's I assume they did
Speaker 1: whatever they did, right. This shit really go down dog
Speaker 1: like that. So my record is playing, I'm added, man,
Speaker 1: I'm going on the way back to the crib. They
Speaker 1: played that motherfucker three or four times before I could
Speaker 1: get the motherfucking grapevine. Good right. So I get a
Speaker 1: call the next I'm not gonna say the man's name,
Speaker 1: but he tells me your days of getting played at
Speaker 1: my stations without going through me are over. Buddy, I
Speaker 1: don't know who you think you are. And it tripped
Speaker 1: me to fuss and who is this he wanted to cut?
Speaker 1: You don't go through nobody else without going through.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: keep it that way.
Speaker 4: You got damn right, dude.
Speaker 1: Was I'm not gonna say his name because he's a
Speaker 1: powerful motherfucker, right, And it let me know right there
Speaker 1: that this shit is rigged.
Speaker 3: Org Man, the homie was was expressing his, uh, his
Speaker 3: opinions about that to me.
Speaker 4: This morning.
Speaker 3: The craziness about because you know, he's one of those
Speaker 3: cats who you know, tried to get in back in
Speaker 3: the days, you know, when everybody was coming out, and
Speaker 3: and he was real offended to buy the fact that,
Speaker 3: like you said, it's supposed to be for the people,
Speaker 3: supposed to be for you. You supposed to be for
Speaker 3: the average motherfucker. You should be if motherfucker, if you
Speaker 3: win into the studio and cut you a motherfucker record,
Speaker 3: you should be able to get it played on the radio,
Speaker 3: because it's the station is supposed to be for the people.
Speaker 3: You give me, And so he was real upset about
Speaker 3: the payola shit you get me, I could get my
Speaker 3: radio record on the radio, or niggas want to disc
Speaker 3: It seems like you pay your motherfucker, you get on
Speaker 3: the mix show, and the next thing you know, motherfucker like, oh,
Speaker 3: you want to play next week or you want to
Speaker 3: play the week after. It's like you just keep forking money,
Speaker 3: keep forking money.
Speaker 1: Just to clarify some I want to clarify something, parl
Speaker 1: One on six played my record a lot. I never
Speaker 1: once gave him a dine. It wouldn't like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: What I noticed is the smaller stations, But those are
Speaker 1: the ones where you get expians from right. Because Power
Speaker 1: is only gonna play you. You gotta test good at
Speaker 1: the powers and at the you know, the big bigger
Speaker 1: radio stations, the k's now and stuff like that. It
Speaker 1: ain't just like they just up. They just in people's
Speaker 1: pockets off the rip like that. But it is a dirty.
Speaker 3: Game, no, I mean share. I guess that's why I
Speaker 3: never focused on radio. Uh my career, my label never
Speaker 3: took that route. They didn't have to get Nigga. I
Speaker 3: didn't get songs played on the radio.
Speaker 1: That's what they didn't have to. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you was going out selling the gold album. They
Speaker 1: look at it like this, this motherfucker go go go.
Speaker 1: We ain't gotta do shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't get radio play. They that was one
Speaker 3: thing that Epic did not do. We're not going for
Speaker 3: no radio with MC eight, So that was something I
Speaker 3: never even I It never pressured me either to go, I.
Speaker 2: Need to make a radio song.
Speaker 3: You get me because I already knew that they wasn't
Speaker 3: going to radio with my records.
Speaker 1: Bro it was cheap. It was cheap to make your album.
Speaker 1: It's not like they had to call in a band
Speaker 1: and you had tick and slipping them.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 1: You know, do your record and they go make eight
Speaker 1: nine million dollars. I'll be with that too. It's a
Speaker 1: perfect business model. Ship Man going to give them some
Speaker 1: more money and let him go do his thing. We
Speaker 1: could be profitable. It's profitable, you know. Yeah. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I never I never made music. I felt
Speaker 1: was gonna make radio anyway. So from the start of
Speaker 1: my career it never fucked with me. I never got
Speaker 1: in the studio and had the pressure from Epic to go.
Speaker 3: We need another radio single, we need another radio song,
Speaker 3: because that's pressure you get me. So, like a, I
Speaker 3: didn't have to deal with that. Ship Hey, Hey, let
Speaker 3: me ask you something. Bro Bear called me. Bears the
Speaker 3: program director the programs a lot of radio stations. To
Speaker 3: my god, he called me one day and said, Man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you who gonna be the man in
Speaker 3: l A. And he's a man. He has to be
Speaker 3: the one to move our culture forward. You have to
Speaker 3: DJ Head and I can start laughing. I said, Man,
Speaker 3: you gotta be fucking killing that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Ain't shit.
Speaker 1: I'm just playing. But he told me that. Man, And
Speaker 1: on top of that, I started getting a lot of
Speaker 1: the little rapper home. He's complaining, Man, Nigga Head is
Speaker 1: a hater. That nigga told me that. I said, well, man,
Speaker 1: if you asked him something, he can tell you the truth.
Speaker 1: You should respect that. Now I'm tell in the artists,
Speaker 1: you should respect the dude that tells.
Speaker 2: You the truth. The dude that just let you keep
Speaker 2: going making a fool out of yourself. It's not your friend.
Speaker 2: I'm always gonna tell you got some in your teeth,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you got a booger in your nose,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna tell you if your song is whack,
Speaker 2: it's not. It's no different to me than than when
Speaker 2: you're about to lead a house and your your you know,
Speaker 2: your your boxers is showing or you know. It's the
Speaker 2: same thing to me, and and it took to be
Speaker 2: honest with you. Where that comes from. Yeah, that's my personality.
Speaker 2: That's how I grew up. But it also comes from
Speaker 2: us not having at like nobody really helped us like that,
Speaker 2: not in that way. Either they didn't know and they
Speaker 2: didn't give us the information, or they had the information.
Speaker 2: And the game is to be sold and not to
Speaker 2: be the I don't subscribed to none of that shit,
Speaker 2: because that's how we our people stay ignorant, that's how
Speaker 2: people stay down. You can't find one person in the
Speaker 2: music business that ever gave me a check to do anything,
Speaker 2: play a play a record for consultations. I pull up
Speaker 2: the Nigga studios for free. I've never taken money. I've
Speaker 2: gotten co production on at least three hit records that
Speaker 2: that never took points on the album. That's a fact, right. So,
Speaker 2: but that's my contribution. And the only fee is for
Speaker 2: me to be myself and to be honest. That's my fee.
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to budget my fee. So if you
Speaker 2: want my assistance, Oh, we need to figure out how
Speaker 2: we're gonna get on this festival. Hey, can you help us?
Speaker 2: Oh we need to figure out how we gonna get
Speaker 2: on the radio head Can you help us? Yeah? What
Speaker 2: you need nothing. I just need the space to be honest.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's my feet and honesty is a rarity. Nowadays. Bro.
Speaker 2: So then when you look at people who take that offensively,
Speaker 2: I actually I don't even want to work with those
Speaker 2: people at all. I don't want to be around them
Speaker 2: out because that tells me that you're not even in
Speaker 2: the space to receive what you're asking for if you ask.
Speaker 2: I'm a spiritual person, So if you ask God to
Speaker 2: bless you, but you know you ain't in the space
Speaker 2: to receive, then you wasting God's time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a prime example of constructive criticism
Speaker 1: working in the positive manner.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I talk about top Dog here and there at my
Speaker 1: homie that you know run tde and here you know
Speaker 1: this you was around too early days. We go back
Speaker 1: with them dudes, like when they was back there record
Speaker 1: and when it wasn't no Kendrick Lamar being a top
Speaker 1: rapper in the world. They just some congree kids, right.
Speaker 1: I remember Man, so many people. Man would sleep on
Speaker 1: top and he would be mad at first, you know,
Speaker 1: Tom would be ready to destroy some shit, but after
Speaker 1: a while he started kind of just taking it to face, like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe this shit ain't what I thought it was. And
Speaker 1: they started actually making really like it left it was
Speaker 1: already cool but they leveled up to where the records
Speaker 1: was underniped.
Speaker 3: So what do you think that was? Was it the
Speaker 3: talent or they just wasn't ready or well.
Speaker 1: They were always talented, right, I just think they hadn't
Speaker 1: made the right records yet. You know, sometimes this level
Speaker 1: was to it. They were definitely dope enough to where
Speaker 1: that's when the bloggers started cracking a little bit where
Speaker 1: the bloggers took notice of them. But they didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: have no that big record. Like even though eight you
Speaker 1: ain't never had no top forty record, you was able
Speaker 1: to go in and produce a straight up minutes ain't
Speaker 1: going the road. They hadn't got to that point. Shit,
Speaker 1: it was still a lot. Jay Rock was hard as
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. Jay Rock was tight. Jay Rock, he was tight.
Speaker 1: Every last one of them dudes over at td ether
Speaker 1: rap can rap all of them dudes.
Speaker 2: Can school Boy C make pop music?
Speaker 1: Now that's because he's a professional recording or that's a
Speaker 1: laying he in, but he can rap. Ab Sol Lo
Speaker 1: My god, I knew I'd get murdered if I say it,
Speaker 1: but ab Sol might be the coldest motherfucker over there.
Speaker 1: They got dudes, they can really rap. You feel what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm talking about and it's not easy to
Speaker 1: impress me. Hey, you gotta remember the era we came
Speaker 1: up in. I came up on you, scarface nas. All
Speaker 1: of these just grade them seas Big Daddy Kane, Chuck
Speaker 1: d people that were one of the ones. We wasn't
Speaker 1: nobody to sounded like them before. They just came out
Speaker 1: that they were the first of they kind.
Speaker 2: You feel what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I've heard some incredible motherfuckers cool she rap. It's
Speaker 1: some motherfuckers that could spit Ray Kwan, the chef you know,
Speaker 1: on to the day to the Homi Black thought, there's
Speaker 1: some guys that can rap them. Dudes can really rap
Speaker 1: over there, And I really think they got to the
Speaker 1: place to where they had been getting slept on. Was
Speaker 1: so bad. Wasn't nothing going right for me. But this
Speaker 1: motherfucker said, we just gonna make undeniable records. Top used
Speaker 1: to be on them dudes' ass, man, I know it wasn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't allow them to play no games.
Speaker 2: I just talked to talk about that.
Speaker 1: He didn't allow them to play no games. Dog, And
Speaker 1: I saw the homie lose a lot of money on
Speaker 1: fake tours. You know, when you're trying to when you're
Speaker 1: trying to get something going, you're gonna do whatever you
Speaker 1: got to, right, And I saw that that he was
Speaker 1: with and I think Top was to the point one
Speaker 1: night man to where I think he was at that
Speaker 1: point where he was like, I'm tired of motherfucker's playing
Speaker 1: with me. But they did it though, Dog, That's why.
Speaker 1: So that's why I salute them, because I know what
Speaker 1: they went through. All of them dudes thugged it out, dog,
Speaker 1: and they stayed down with each other.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you. I know hell of stories,
Speaker 2: but I think that if so. I remember glads To
Speaker 2: said something to me one day we was driving and
Speaker 2: you know, like, you know how when you go y'all,
Speaker 2: I would notice. But you know how when you on
Speaker 2: your way to the west Side from the east Side,
Speaker 2: you on the one on one, one O five and
Speaker 2: you're about to get that go on that overpass where
Speaker 2: they film speed at going to the one ten or
Speaker 2: you know that big overpass, see the whole east side
Speaker 2: right there off Broadway. So we's on that overpass and
Speaker 2: we're going over there, and that was when that light
Speaker 2: was on right there, so we stopped at the light
Speaker 2: and he was like, listen ahead, caush. He's like, if
Speaker 2: you want something that's gonna change your life forever, why
Speaker 2: would it take anything less than a lifetime to get it?
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, that's that's set with me.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I've been thinking about that
Speaker 2: ship was twelve years now. He told me that twelve
Speaker 2: years ago. But I remember where I was. I was
Speaker 2: sitting in the passenger seat of the Bendley and I
Speaker 2: remember that. Like but I was like, Okay, so this
Speaker 2: is gonna this is a long play. This ain't a
Speaker 2: quick flip to go back to your point in what
Speaker 2: you said earlier. I think everybody coming up now, they're
Speaker 2: looking at it like a quick flip, like this a lit,
Speaker 2: like hip hop is to me, is not a lit,
Speaker 2: not at all. Rap music the music industry. It's not
Speaker 2: a lick. It's not a quick flip. Like so I
Speaker 2: take it personal sometimes when even when I shouldn't, when
Speaker 2: people play with it.
Speaker 4: Like that, oh definitely does.
Speaker 2: Hip hop saved a lot of our lives. Hip Hop
Speaker 2: and changed a lot of our families, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: just different things like that where when people play with it.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're not respecting it. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: some head. It was a time a long time ago, dog.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. I just lost
Speaker 1: my I lost, but I had been lost my job
Speaker 1: of mind of music, and I was refusing to go
Speaker 1: get my assma the job.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: I got used to having that cush music industry job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was broke then. The motherfucker remember me and
Speaker 1: you was standing on the corner about Lake will Boulevard, dog,
Speaker 1: trying to piece up to go get some fucking cheeseburgers,
Speaker 1: A real fucking story, and I look at his dog.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing in this motherfucker no overnight. I do remember that.
Speaker 2: Ain't. Don't nothing happen overnight, man. And I definitely think
Speaker 2: that we split the chili cheese frog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think in today's era, man, people don't
Speaker 1: want to grind for shit. But I want to get
Speaker 1: back to this rap shit a little bit.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: This is one thing I will say. I believe Kendrick
Speaker 1: were all way out, but I'm gonna leave it alone.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to something. But I didn't think that
Speaker 1: was necessarily no battle in the specific sense you know what.
Speaker 1: I went back and listened to just to make sure
Speaker 1: I wasn't tripping. I went back and listened to What's
Speaker 1: Old what's the motherfucker's name? Kars One? When he was
Speaker 1: dis and meally mailed and.
Speaker 2: All of them.
Speaker 4: It was just straight rap. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It was just rap.
Speaker 1: It's like, now, man, you gotta get so personal with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I necessarily like the whole this
Speaker 1: and shit, dog, because you just got to get too personal.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking to both of y'all, but it just
Speaker 1: got and I think that that ship was a part
Speaker 1: of it. Dog, I think the whole thing motherfucker's teaming
Speaker 1: up to write some shit about a nigga. You feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, like, what is this ship becoming?
Speaker 1: I think all that shit started back back during over times.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna let him so what I think.
Speaker 2: I just talked shop to my dude, Wayno. I was
Speaker 2: talking to Wayno and he called me. He called me
Speaker 2: when everything was going down and I was in the middle.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, you know what ahead He's like, I
Speaker 2: just realized something. As I'm getting older, I'm no longer
Speaker 2: arguing with niggas who ain't never been punched in their mouth.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that made perfect sense to me
Speaker 2: because like, I've been punched in my mouth. So but
Speaker 2: it's a different type of it's a different when you
Speaker 2: move different when you've been confronted about something you have said.
Speaker 2: Just like just like when you you say something and
Speaker 2: I think to what you just said, Like, I think
Speaker 2: that's the point. A lot of people ain't never had
Speaker 2: to deal with the ship that they say, Like, if
Speaker 2: somebody diss your hood, they gotta deal with that either
Speaker 2: they running to you, they running homies, or they might
Speaker 2: or they might violate to the point where they own homies. Like, man,
Speaker 2: you're talking to eight like them and come to the hood.
Speaker 4: Exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't have don't don't have to
Speaker 2: deal with that. You you specifically you g like all
Speaker 2: these different people who I know if I tweet some
Speaker 2: wild ship and I just tweeted I posted on my Instagram,
Speaker 2: either you gonna call me, g gonna call somebody, gonna
Speaker 2: call my phone like you, That's what the difference is
Speaker 2: is checks and balances to this ship. And I don't
Speaker 2: think that that exists no more, which is why you
Speaker 2: could just say whatever you want to say about somebody.
Speaker 2: And because you ain't got to see him. I'm in
Speaker 2: I'm in New Jersey, in a house, in a random
Speaker 2: house in New Jersey, and I go on the internet, man,
Speaker 2: man eight is this and that, and he, you know,
Speaker 2: just disrespecting you. And now you ain't never gonna see
Speaker 2: me because I ain't never go out. I don't go outside,
Speaker 2: I don't go to the I don't go to the functions,
Speaker 2: I don't go to no podcast stuff. So you ain't
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta deal with that, so you can say
Speaker 2: whatever you want to say.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, Yeah, that's a lot of that goes on.
Speaker 3: Now you got you got, you got interstate this, and
Speaker 3: right now interste Beef and niggas ain't never seen each
Speaker 3: other before. Just get on the fucking fuck that nigga. Man,
Speaker 3: my shit is more harder than them and we are,
Speaker 3: so we just gonna start dissing the nigga and whatever
Speaker 3: it's become out of the context of.
Speaker 4: Nigga.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm dissing you because my lyrical skills.
Speaker 4: Are superior, top notch.
Speaker 2: You give me I ain't disrespecting.
Speaker 3: I'm not dissing you because you from New Jersey or
Speaker 3: South Carolina. I ain't dissing you because you said, nigga,
Speaker 3: you you you took five fifteen shots out of nigger y'all.
Speaker 3: That that's the I'm dissing you because my lyrics are hard. Nigga,
Speaker 3: I'm the hard. Yeah, yeah, that that's not it.
Speaker 1: I heard about the money these niggas was spending on
Speaker 1: that ship to get information.
Speaker 2: Dog, Well yeah, it's crazy. You might for run to
Speaker 2: spend a couple hundred thousand ricks.
Speaker 3: Brax, it's become a become a criminal investigation.
Speaker 4: You might well be on try.
Speaker 3: I need to go to hire me a couple of
Speaker 3: motherfucking investigators and have a nigga jump on the plane.
Speaker 4: I need to know what I need to know.
Speaker 3: If a nigga shitted his pants in the third grade,
Speaker 3: it's so cool, like what I I need the dog,
Speaker 3: if a nigga was pissing in the bed when he
Speaker 3: was seven years old, and some ship.
Speaker 2: Like that, so I would go, I would go fire.
Speaker 3: The long distance hater cousin that the nigga old fuck with.
Speaker 3: Now pay that nigga a couple of grand What that
Speaker 3: nigga do used to do when he was five. He
Speaker 3: used to take boggers out his nose and put a bit.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go at all.
Speaker 3: It's it's criminal investigations now motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers is being really facetious with shit too. Man.
Speaker 1: When I heard him say that Dave Free was the man,
Speaker 1: I said, Man, this niggas just reached. But that was
Speaker 1: a reach. But it was a line that was more
Speaker 1: than real. Was a motherfucker line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's him.
Speaker 3: He don't have no But I see, I seen a
Speaker 3: nigga say today and it was a It was a
Speaker 3: hip hop dude.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I read it today or who
Speaker 2: was that thing?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 3: When he said the dissing or something is just taking
Speaker 3: me out of it because now it's it's more about
Speaker 3: That was quess love quis love quis yeo exactly? It
Speaker 3: was Big Daddy. Big Daddy said, it's like motherfuckers want
Speaker 3: to know if your facts are true or they want
Speaker 3: to very He said, Nigga, when I was dissing niggas
Speaker 3: back in my days coming up, I lied and said ship, nigga,
Speaker 3: I fucked your mama in the back seat of my Cadillac. Nigga,
Speaker 3: won't he wom I ain't never seen a nigga mama in.
Speaker 2: My life, even though even when jay Z said, you know,
Speaker 2: condoms in the baby seat, I'm sure there was no
Speaker 2: condoms in the baby seat, right, no baby mama. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna exaggerate a little bit. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: but that's part of.
Speaker 4: It because basically.
Speaker 3: That's the same thing like when we used to bag
Speaker 3: against each other. You get me with the bagger, your
Speaker 3: mom so fat, nigga, I slapped your mom on the ale,
Speaker 3: or your mom's fed me dinner after I came through
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 2: You give me.
Speaker 4: We all did that shit.
Speaker 3: It was just it was just we were just bagging
Speaker 3: comic through on each other.
Speaker 2: Nobody took that serious at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Well, it might have been one nigga who couldn't handle
Speaker 3: it and then you end up scrapping.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: But you know what, though, Bro, I'm kind of with
Speaker 1: and this sound because I love the bat, you know,
Speaker 1: I like that messy shit, right, But I think I'm
Speaker 1: kind of with questlove and Big Daddy came and all
Speaker 1: of them shit can go to a point to where
Speaker 1: it goes too far. Because I got thick skin. I
Speaker 1: could take any motherfucker talking about me because I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck you feel what I'm saying. But when
Speaker 1: you start involving my mama, my wife, my kids, some
Speaker 1: probably can happen.
Speaker 2: Dog some probably that off limits though? Is it off limits? Oh?
Speaker 2: Here's the thing right to your point. It depends on
Speaker 2: if you It depends on your enemy, bro, It depends
Speaker 2: on who you serve. It depends on who you battling.
Speaker 2: If you go and I don't want to make this
Speaker 2: hell dramatic, but if you look at somebody like if
Speaker 2: you look at World War two, how do you fight
Speaker 2: a Kamakze pilot? You shoot him down? It's a comic
Speaker 2: coze pilot. His whole game plan is to fly his
Speaker 2: plane into your into your ship. How do you fight
Speaker 2: a nigga like that? Right? If you fighting, if you're
Speaker 2: fighting a crash dummy, how do you fight? How do
Speaker 2: you fight a dude? Are they't afraid to die? You
Speaker 2: know what? We're gonna have to piece this up because
Speaker 2: ain't no no point in us doing this because I
Speaker 2: got I got you to do tomorrow. Like, just because
Speaker 2: you ain't afraid to die, don't I got shit I
Speaker 2: gotta do tomorrow, you know what I mean. So when
Speaker 2: you when you're looking at the battle situation, it can
Speaker 2: go too far. But it depends on who you're battling,
Speaker 2: because just because you got limits don't mean I got limits. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what dude, definitely stir first, but you can't first if
Speaker 2: if you get into a hip hop into a rap
Speaker 2: beef right and eighties like it's all everything goes no
Speaker 2: hose barred falls count anywhere. He on that type of time,
Speaker 2: you like, look, we're gonna battle, but just don't mention
Speaker 2: my wife, my kids, my mom, and my grandma. You
Speaker 2: give him a whole syllabus on what he can't talk about, bro,
Speaker 2: and he just man, fuck that he teared up in
Speaker 2: the video. Fucked the syllabus. Fuck you your mama.
Speaker 4: Man, that's what.
Speaker 3: It's the same situation, Like I said, with the beef
Speaker 3: I had with me and with me and Homie, that's
Speaker 3: a fact. It's the same. And then we didn't even
Speaker 3: go there. You get me quick. Didn't say your mama.
Speaker 3: I didn't say your mama or your family or your kids,
Speaker 3: and nothing we didn't even go that route.
Speaker 4: We kept it on fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 3: Our ship came behind the affiliations with the gang ship.
Speaker 3: That's what made our ship so fired up because it
Speaker 3: could have stayed on some nigga fuck you, fuck you,
Speaker 3: fuck you fuck you because we didn't even like you said,
Speaker 3: we didn't do this. We didn't do no crossing of paths,
Speaker 3: you get me, So it could have stayed on the
Speaker 3: fuck you fuck you rap suit until one day it'd
Speaker 3: have been like, yeah, I'm cool, I'm cool. But for
Speaker 3: the fact that outside of us, you got correct niggas
Speaker 3: over here and blood niggas over here.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: I think what really happened, how it really got heated,
Speaker 3: was when the calling of the sets came into it.
Speaker 3: That's what took it to the next level. Because I
Speaker 3: tried to keep it because I was true hip hop nigga,
Speaker 3: even though I'm trying to gang bang and shit, I
Speaker 3: had real hip hop respect for hip hop. Thus I
Speaker 3: knew that dissing came aim to play in hip hop.
Speaker 3: I saw fucking Big Daddy Kane and whatever I saw
Speaker 3: LL and koom O D. I saw motherfucking k r
Speaker 3: S and mc shan and you know, I saw the distance.
Speaker 3: But my thing was when I ain't gonna talk about
Speaker 3: a nigga mama or his kids, or his family or
Speaker 3: the set, I'm just gonna keep it on nigga, mean
Speaker 3: you on some rap shit, but then you get me.
Speaker 4: It came to play.
Speaker 3: With that situation because then trag New Park was mentioned.
Speaker 3: So now it's taking it out of the element of
Speaker 3: back and forth dissing each other, and now it's beefing
Speaker 3: now because now niggas are niggas are like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that the affiliation was tagged
Speaker 3: on to it. So like you said, I can't control
Speaker 3: old niggas. You give me I'm at home. I mean
Speaker 3: he spoke about it on a song. Niggas was at
Speaker 3: the club with them. I wasn't nowhere near around. I'm
Speaker 3: one hundred miles away. But now other niggas are implementing
Speaker 3: themselves into it because oh, you spoke on us.
Speaker 2: Now, if that ship between you and.
Speaker 3: Eight, that's y'all, But now you're on us, So now
Speaker 3: we feel like we have to step in and represent
Speaker 3: you get me. So that's the differences of it. That's
Speaker 3: what came to play and all because I never thought
Speaker 3: of going, Hmmm, I'm gonna rap about this nigga baby
Speaker 3: mama and his kid, or I'm gonna say something about
Speaker 3: his motherfucking mama or some shit like that. I've never
Speaker 3: once thought of doing some shit like that. I wanted
Speaker 3: to keep it hip hop, even though it was on
Speaker 3: some gangs.
Speaker 1: Shit, I think if you did a shit back like
Speaker 1: that back then, I think motherfuckers might have died.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you you, like I said, we used to bag,
Speaker 3: but we knew we was doing friendly bantering, playing with
Speaker 3: each other, and nigga, you could bag against a nigga
Speaker 3: you didn't even know.
Speaker 4: But it's on the aspect of like at.
Speaker 3: A rap battle, we gonna battle, battle, battle, and then
Speaker 3: at the end of the battle, all right, my nigga
Speaker 3: whatever whatever. That's just like if you bagging against somebody nigga,
Speaker 3: your mama this or your mama that, niggas know it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But even with bagging, you always get somebody to take off.
Speaker 1: You already get that one dude to get mad and
Speaker 1: take off.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's why I said, you have to know who
Speaker 2: you You gotta know you exactly got know you bagging
Speaker 2: against you gonna get That's what I was trying to
Speaker 2: explain to Elliott Wilson. Everybody ain't playing about this. You're
Speaker 2: not playing about your wife, your kids or whatever. His
Speaker 2: homies ain't playing about the hood. Everybody not playing about
Speaker 2: certain things. So you have to know who you dealing
Speaker 2: with before.
Speaker 3: You start, got it. You gotta keep it in that.
Speaker 3: You gotta keep it to sparring and don't let it
Speaker 3: turn into an actual boxing match. You get me, keep
Speaker 3: it on spark, hey man, you know telling it to
Speaker 3: hold up? Hold up, We ain't gonna go there. You
Speaker 3: get me. But once, like I said, once you start
Speaker 3: going to personal shit depending on who you dealing with.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to play with you no more.
Speaker 3: Now I want to.
Speaker 2: Fight or now it's gonna go to somewhere else. Got
Speaker 2: my mama, What the.
Speaker 3: Fuck my mama got to do with the fucking even
Speaker 3: when you look at the n W the fuck my
Speaker 3: mama got to there with some hip hop songs and ship.
Speaker 1: You remember when Easy and Trey and them was going
Speaker 1: back and forth. You never heard the niggas say nothing
Speaker 1: nobody's mama nigga.
Speaker 3: You ain't seen your kid in ten in two years
Speaker 3: and I heard you wasn't paying child support and ship
Speaker 3: like they wasn't doing shit like that. Nigga was like, nigga,
Speaker 3: fuck you. Okay, yeah, nigga, fuck you nigga. And then
Speaker 3: niggas wasn't like I'm living in a girl heels or Nigga,
Speaker 3: I'm over here and Calabasas Nigga, Nigga, I'm pulling up
Speaker 3: in the in the eight fifty.
Speaker 2: Nigga.
Speaker 3: Well, Nigga, I got the motherfucking Nigga was no, it
Speaker 3: was just nigga. It was rap, fuck you, fuck you,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna leave it at then.
Speaker 1: Before we get up out of it. I gotta talk
Speaker 1: about this, right. I know Height probably don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about this ship, but I got to. You know,
Speaker 1: Game took off on Ross.
Speaker 2: Right oh, with the he put he put the record
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: He put the record out Ross didn't even respond back
Speaker 1: to him. I told Glass, I said, Ross not gonna
Speaker 1: respond back to him. I don't think he is either.
Speaker 1: Why should he Why shouldn't.
Speaker 3: You think he's not gonna respond because he don't want
Speaker 3: no street beef no? Or do you think he just
Speaker 3: feel like he's too superior to respond, I think he
Speaker 3: feels like he's above that.
Speaker 2: He above that because you think about it, and he
Speaker 2: was just going at Drake. So why did all this
Speaker 2: shit happen? Why did all of it? They were all
Speaker 2: they had the whole little.
Speaker 3: Click though, Oh, Ross, Drake, Game, Ross, Lil Wayne. They
Speaker 3: were all getting on each other's records break even with
Speaker 3: Drake and and Ross and Drake and Future. They just
Speaker 3: get They just did a big record together, Drake in
Speaker 3: Future with the with the with the African girls sing.
Speaker 2: But what I've heard, I mean, I can't speak on
Speaker 2: these men. I don't know all. The only person I
Speaker 2: know personally is Game, and I know I know Ross too,
Speaker 2: But everybody else I don't really know them.
Speaker 3: Why Why do you think Game just jumped on Ross?
Speaker 3: Can I tell you?
Speaker 2: Game been trying to catch a catch a fade and
Speaker 2: rapped for years though, even when he put out the
Speaker 2: documentary and not the documentary, uh the recent most recent
Speaker 2: album he just put out with Hippoy, he was he
Speaker 2: was trying to rap against eminem The game Game is
Speaker 2: a game is is Game is really like a really
Speaker 2: dope MC and Game is definitely and he's crazy, so
Speaker 2: he so he'd be looking for a sparing partner, like
Speaker 2: I think he look at it just like he really
Speaker 2: want to rap.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you one thing, he definitely. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you one thing I.
Speaker 1: Do like about Game now is that he's not going
Speaker 1: there talking about you. He's the throwback to.
Speaker 2: What I like.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna going in and talk about your mama,
Speaker 1: your kids. He's gonna say you fed and tripped over
Speaker 1: trying to chase it.
Speaker 3: She's he gonna go my Nigga is a lyricist.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He not gonna do no ship though I didn't understand it,
Speaker 1: but this is what I said, and I told you this.
Speaker 1: I said, Ross not gonna respond. But Ross is way
Speaker 1: more capable of what motherfucker's given credit for us as
Speaker 1: a hip hop head.
Speaker 3: Why why would he just drake in that game? Why
Speaker 3: he don't feel it's significant enough?
Speaker 2: No, I think that he just with everything going on
Speaker 2: with with with Ka, he just he added on to
Speaker 2: that like he was like, Oh, we're finally going at this, dude.
Speaker 2: Let's go at this dude. Because I think they've always
Speaker 2: had they little you know, stuff back and forth, and
Speaker 2: I don't know these things personally, I've always I just
Speaker 2: heard the stories about how you know, Drake get down
Speaker 2: and how he'll double cross people what they like. He'll
Speaker 2: high at you like he'll come and meet through a
Speaker 2: nice to meet you, a legend O G, you know whatever,
Speaker 2: and then you take a picture, Oh this is my wife,
Speaker 2: and he take a picture, and then you know he'll
Speaker 2: d M your wife type ship, Like that's the type
Speaker 2: ship I've heard about him. I don't I can't verify.
Speaker 4: That he's a playboy nigga.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he slapped him or not. But
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I've heard that that's how he get down,
Speaker 2: that's how he moved.
Speaker 1: Being politically correctcause you I don't know that well, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: So why do you think Ross won't go back at Game.
Speaker 2: I don't think he. I don't think he looks at
Speaker 2: it as not. He think he's scared of a street fight.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a street fight. You know what, though,
Speaker 1: I don't think my nigga Game will will he will.
Speaker 2: He will.
Speaker 4: He will want to fade. Like you said, he will fight.
Speaker 2: You and rap you. He'll do either or he cool cool.
Speaker 2: Why do you think Game?
Speaker 3: I mean Ross won't take that that that line that
Speaker 3: game and tossed in the lake.
Speaker 2: I don't think he tripping like that.
Speaker 1: But you gotta remember Ross went again fifty when fifty
Speaker 1: was in his prime and survived just with sheer music.
Speaker 3: What you call that a pick and choose battle, like
Speaker 3: you know Nigga's pick and choose who they fight. I
Speaker 3: fight this nigga, but I ain't gonna fight this nigga,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 1: You know what I have found to be odd though,
Speaker 1: And again I don't know they do it because I
Speaker 1: don't want the mother for getting mad at making no
Speaker 1: song about me shit, you know, But I just find
Speaker 1: it odd man, that Games one of That's biggest supporters.
Speaker 1: You know, that was on a lot of Games albums
Speaker 1: early on. You know, the game was popping, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I just found it odd that it's
Speaker 1: like he went at one of Ross's that you know,
Speaker 1: Drake's detractors. He didn't get in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: Don't you think it was kind of weird he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't get a mellow up that, you know, like
Speaker 1: him going at Ross. What you mean, just out the
Speaker 1: blue like for notugh of no reason.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's just in the spirit of him.
Speaker 2: He you gotta you gotta remember Game is an mc bro. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is for ship but White Ross though, because Ross
Speaker 2: is a Rosses in the middle of that stuff. And
Speaker 2: he's like, oh well this is over now tag me in.
Speaker 2: Let's I want to get cracking with homie.
Speaker 3: But like you said, a lot of people, just like
Speaker 3: you said, he nigga. I'm looking for any nigga who
Speaker 3: want to give him up or sparing with as far.
Speaker 2: As he might rap. Bro, he willing to rap against
Speaker 2: whoever he want to rap, fade with whoever. He don't
Speaker 2: care who it is. He just want to rap fade
Speaker 2: and that I really don't think it's personal. I think
Speaker 2: he said it actually when he was when I seen
Speaker 2: him on an interview, he actually said He's like, Bro,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to beat up beat up nobody. I
Speaker 2: don't want to fight. I don't want nobody this rap.
Speaker 2: He's like, I want to rap. I think he just
Speaker 2: really want to. I ain't man that he just I
Speaker 2: guess he just shot and shut then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just shut.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Mean, like I said, is.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you know, there's no rules in hip hop. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's no there's no code to follow or whatever, like
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's just, it is what it is.
Speaker 4: You could do business with a nigga. That's just in
Speaker 4: the regular world.
Speaker 3: You do business with a nigga today and everything is
Speaker 3: all good six months from now. You like nigga, I
Speaker 3: don't never fuck with you again. You get me, It's real,
Speaker 3: it's just business. You get me. What you think about
Speaker 3: quest Love saying that the Tupacc hit him up.
Speaker 2: He said it. You know, I saw, I saw a
Speaker 2: quest said. I've seen I seen when he wrote and
Speaker 2: then also watchington. I also watched the video what he
Speaker 2: said to read to respond to what everybody was saying
Speaker 2: to him. And I understand where he's coming from. But
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think it's a I think
Speaker 2: it's kind of an archaic way to look at things.
Speaker 2: And you have nuanced once you age. Y'all haven't been
Speaker 2: through a lot of shit in this in hip hop.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You just talked about your
Speaker 2: whole thing with that. That's that for us. I was legendary,
Speaker 2: you know, I was a kid like I don't you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, that's what I'm say the stuff, yo,
Speaker 2: the stuff you was saying, the stuff y'all was saying
Speaker 2: on records that was real to us. We didn't even
Speaker 2: know that. It was like you was embellishing or you
Speaker 2: was exaggerating. We didn't know. Like I'm thinking, like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's really up, Like, oh, they see each other, they finish,
Speaker 2: kill each other, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 2: and then hold on and then like when it comes
Speaker 2: to the other side of it, as being elder Statesman
Speaker 2: and OG's you still have to have perspective and know
Speaker 2: like if Ad is sitting down talking to somebody, and
Speaker 2: he talking to this person from this set, this hood
Speaker 2: and this person from this hood, and and they low
Speaker 2: key and a rap beef, but it's starting to translate
Speaker 2: into some street ship. He can speak to them because
Speaker 2: he been through that before. It'd be like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: I know y'all, y'all finna do y'all thing. Let me
Speaker 2: just give you this game. I think that's the proper
Speaker 2: way to approach it from an OG's perspective, and just saying,
Speaker 2: y'all stoopid motherfuckers, you know you dumb. Not that quest
Speaker 2: said that, but that's the that's the energy that they
Speaker 2: were receiving it, like when Bill cosbying Oprah Winfrey with
Speaker 2: go against hip hop or pull up your pants and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Yeah, that's cool, but you were once
Speaker 2: young yourself, right, And so if you were once young
Speaker 2: and you are authentically of the culture, then you should
Speaker 2: be able to relate to where they at in their
Speaker 2: life and be able to translate that and be like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: I know that you want to go get your get back. Bro,
Speaker 2: let me show you how to do it in a
Speaker 2: different way as opposed to just going on a public
Speaker 2: platform and you know, bashing how they doing it. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's an effective way to communicate, you know, respectfully.
Speaker 1: You know what though, too, We are in the era
Speaker 1: man and where people don't really listen to what people say, right,
Speaker 1: they'd take a small portion of what you say it's
Speaker 1: all clips and lead with that and say, well, man
Speaker 1: eight went on there and dismantle them.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like they kind of twist your words up. I
Speaker 1: think what he was saying, and I kind of like,
Speaker 1: once I looked at it, I kind of had to
Speaker 1: agree with him a little bit. It wasn't he was
Speaker 1: saying the track was kind of R and B ish.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. He didn't say nothing derogatory
Speaker 1: about the music. He could say he thought the track
Speaker 1: was soft.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know that, but I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 2: I'm talking I know what he said. I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that he bashed young young people or hip hop.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that's what they got from it. That's what
Speaker 2: they received from it, right exactly. They didn't hear. He
Speaker 2: was just talking about the music. He a request Love
Speaker 2: is a real musicians and shit like he really is
Speaker 2: a genius for real, so he understands, Like I just
Speaker 2: don't understand. Why would you dis somebody with a R
Speaker 2: and B record, you know underneath that or whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. What he said, I understand
Speaker 2: that how people received it though it's old. It's this
Speaker 2: old dude hating.
Speaker 4: On the way you all washed.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is I'm learning this too. I
Speaker 2: don't go in the studio and say this record trash
Speaker 2: no more. I don't even volunteer my opinion. I wait
Speaker 2: for somebody to ask me my opinion, and then I
Speaker 2: give you my opinion. But that's something I had to
Speaker 2: learn as I've gotten older. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I understand. I know what he was saying. He was
Speaker 2: just like, bro, why would you put this? Why would
Speaker 2: you make that kind of record over this music like this?
Speaker 2: There's records for.
Speaker 4: That, right.
Speaker 2: I get what he's saying, because he's a real musician.
Speaker 2: He really like is for real? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Quits Love's next level. Yeah, he's a real musician. I
Speaker 2: get what he's saying. That's not what people took though,
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying. The message gets misconstrued when
Speaker 2: you don't say it properly, or when you don't say
Speaker 2: it in a way that people receive it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because sometimes it's just the fact that some of
Speaker 3: these people, in this newer generation of that we have,
Speaker 3: you have to really dumb down shit for them to
Speaker 3: all the shit. Because you could say a word to
Speaker 3: a motherfucker they looking like what and it's just as
Speaker 3: simple as plain as day.
Speaker 2: But are.
Speaker 3: Our youth sometimes, you know, don't want to be educated
Speaker 3: to the simple fact of shit, you know. And like
Speaker 3: I tell someone, I say it all the time. I
Speaker 3: was once eighteen nineteen, I once had that head of nigga.
Speaker 2: You old as monthful.
Speaker 3: You can't tell me nothing, not that I did that
Speaker 3: towards any of my OG's or anybody that I respected before.
Speaker 2: Me as far as hip hop is concerned.
Speaker 3: I never told a motherfuck, but I had that mind
Speaker 3: state of nigga. I'm young, nineteen, got a record nigga
Speaker 3: from the hood. You can't tell me a motherfucking.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. That's just the youthful you bris,
Speaker 2: you know, I think, But I also think to what
Speaker 2: you just said.
Speaker 3: You think you know it all definitely until you don't,
Speaker 3: until you know you don't, or you mature enough to know.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: I thought I knew a gang of shit, and I
Speaker 3: really don't know a lot. So you start being able
Speaker 3: to accept and starting to be able to appreciate, being
Speaker 3: able to get mature and learn the right shit, like
Speaker 3: I said, because those critical years man for some.
Speaker 4: For us youth, it.
Speaker 2: Just be hard.
Speaker 3: Niggas just be hard headed. I mean that's all. We
Speaker 3: just be hard headed, especially if you come from the
Speaker 3: sides that we've come from. We be a little hard
Speaker 3: headed until we can mature enough to be like, you
Speaker 3: know something, it is what it is? You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, i'm'a give it to you raw and none cut,
Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to disrespect you or whatever. But
Speaker 3: the knowledge that I've learned by now that I gotta
Speaker 3: be able to talk to you straight up, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So sure that only comes with maturity.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think as you get older, man, you just
Speaker 2: have less time for the bullshit until motherfucker's what it is.
Speaker 2: I'm with that. I I don't. I'm with that one.
Speaker 2: Less time for it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sing that song and dance and the sugar coat shit.
Speaker 3: It's just really a lot of wasted time, man's time,
Speaker 3: real talk.
Speaker 2: Waste the time, man. Well we about to se what
Speaker 2: do y'all.
Speaker 1: Say, the perception that there's a West Coast bias that
Speaker 1: we support everybody from the West even if there's tight
Speaker 1: and does that say thing apply to me?
Speaker 2: I want to want to recapt it, say the question again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say. Use you know when you
Speaker 1: come in like that, Brian, you just sound like a
Speaker 1: nigga on the podcast Out of Nowhere. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: be question he said, is there a bias because niggas
Speaker 1: feel like we support everything even if it's trash on
Speaker 1: the West Coast as far as to on the East Coast.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna say, but I'm so there's nuanced to it, though,
Speaker 2: And I don't want to get into a science class
Speaker 2: or a social studies class. But there's a reason why
Speaker 2: things are set up the way they are. And that's
Speaker 2: a great question, by the way. But for the people
Speaker 2: who listen to this show when it comes to West
Speaker 2: Coast from a music standpoint, it's not just music, it's culture.
Speaker 2: We are in Mexico, it is what it is. This
Speaker 2: land was stolen from Mexicans. That's a fact. Go back
Speaker 2: and do your Google's right. So when you start, when
Speaker 2: you start to when you start to look at old
Speaker 2: West Coast music, don't get we support everybody else Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: This is not I'm not making these numbers up because
Speaker 2: I was in broad I'm in broadcasting Los Angeles specifically.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go La County, San Fernando, Orange County, and
Speaker 2: San Bernard and Riverside County. Eighty percent Mexican, eighty percent Latino.
Speaker 2: Those are real numbers, seven percent black. So when you're
Speaker 2: making music, you're not making music for the homies in
Speaker 2: your neighborhood. You're not making music for people who even
Speaker 2: look like you. You're making music for what's for what's urban
Speaker 2: to us. Urban to us is not black because we
Speaker 2: make up seven percent of the entire black population that
Speaker 2: consumes music and media in this market, right, seven percent.
Speaker 2: That's infants to senior citizens and everybody in between. But
Speaker 2: then geographically, for people who want to visualize it, or
Speaker 2: go look at your Google maps and y'all could picture
Speaker 2: this in your mind because you're from here. If you
Speaker 2: go Dackwaller Beach and you go east to the seventeen freeway,
Speaker 2: picture that. Then you go to the ten Freeway, and
Speaker 2: then you go south to the to the South Bay
Speaker 2: to Torrence. That's where all the black people is. And
Speaker 2: writing down the little box tell me I'm lying, no, yeah, right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So that being said, LA is way bigger than that box.
Speaker 2: I just like La County and everything I just named
Speaker 2: is way bigger than that box. So when you think
Speaker 2: about just driving down Wilmington, you'll go through two hundred
Speaker 2: hoods mm hmm in real life, Like you gee, what
Speaker 2: I'm saying going down Central Like it's just so these
Speaker 2: things I'm trying to explain to people about the stigma
Speaker 2: of West Coast music or LA music specific California. Our
Speaker 2: demographic is so skewed and specific that it's more white
Speaker 2: people and Asians and Mexicans than us. So when you
Speaker 2: make a song, it not only has to be relatable
Speaker 2: to Black people, but it has to be relatable to Latinos,
Speaker 2: it has to be relatable to Asians and white people.
Speaker 2: And then you have the difficulty of going across the
Speaker 2: country to the other side, so you're not just a
Speaker 2: regional act, and then your music has to be translatable
Speaker 2: to black people in the South who don't have the
Speaker 2: same experience as we do. There are two, No, they
Speaker 2: just added one. There are three. There's some more game
Speaker 2: for y'all. There are three urban radio stations on this
Speaker 2: side of the Mississippi River. Three urban meaning, I mean
Speaker 2: you're looking to how the way stuff music is formatted.
Speaker 2: There's rhythm rhythmic, which still just brought up, and there's
Speaker 2: urban and there's top forty chr formats. Right, So from
Speaker 2: a demographic standpoint, the reason why television and radio are
Speaker 2: great barometers is because they do real metrics based on
Speaker 2: the census and stuff like that. So when Black people
Speaker 2: get them in forms in the mal you don't fill
Speaker 2: them out, or you don't vote, or the census they
Speaker 2: come in, they come every year or every couple of
Speaker 2: years to your house, and you don't fill that out.
Speaker 2: That means that now you don't count when they doing
Speaker 2: them numbers, when they passing out them programs, when they're
Speaker 2: doing when they doing them zip codes. And I'm sorry
Speaker 2: when schools get their funding based on the zip codes
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Or media standpoint, when it comes
Speaker 2: to music, you make your song. There are three stations
Speaker 2: on this side of the Mississippi River that cater to
Speaker 2: black people. Three radio stations total. Okay, So if you
Speaker 2: go Texas and you go straight up the middle and
Speaker 2: you divide the United States in half, just look at
Speaker 2: it like basketball conferences. You got the Western Conference and
Speaker 2: you got the Eastern Conference. Right, It's crazy that Cleveland
Speaker 2: is in the Western Conference because that's the Midwest exact. Okay,
Speaker 2: So if you look at it from a basketball standpoint,
Speaker 2: I'll give you another piece. The Mississippi River divides the
Speaker 2: United States in half. When it comes to broadcasting, everything
Speaker 2: east of the Mississippi River is our w stations, w
Speaker 2: k R, z WP like they're all W every W
Speaker 2: up N. Everything west of the Mississippi River are K stations,
Speaker 2: K T e L A kPr kt L. I went
Speaker 2: to school for this ship for radio. So look so
Speaker 2: and then if you go in San Diego and you
Speaker 2: see stations like Z ninety, the reason why it's a
Speaker 2: Z is because their actual broadcast antenna is not in
Speaker 2: the United States. It's in Mexico. That's why when you
Speaker 2: go north to like you ride that Canada border, or
Speaker 2: you go south and you ride that Mexico border. If
Speaker 2: a station begins with Z, that means that they antenna
Speaker 2: that they broadcast on is actually over the border and
Speaker 2: it just come over here because it's cheaper, and you
Speaker 2: know whatever the case may be. Long story short, every
Speaker 2: case station, with the exception of three radio stations are
Speaker 2: rhythmic stations. Rhythm. They cater to up tempo party Latino girls.
Speaker 2: That's it. So when you and then so then the
Speaker 2: urban stations music, it's not fast, it's just it's tempo music.
Speaker 2: So when you're talking about urban music. NBA young Boy.
Speaker 2: You ever heard the NBA Young Boy song on the
Speaker 2: radio in La No, you won't hear that. You don't
Speaker 2: really see GZ young Boy. You don't see Boosy Webber.
Speaker 2: You don't see none of them dudes out here doing
Speaker 2: shows like that. They make urban music. They make music
Speaker 2: for black people. There's not enough black people to sustain
Speaker 2: the ecosystem. If you did a show, whether it was
Speaker 2: in nineties or today, and it was all black people,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't sell out right or on true. Okay, that
Speaker 2: being said, we don't have an ecosystem to sustain from
Speaker 2: a music standpoint. So when you start to go in
Speaker 2: across the country and you translate your music to the
Speaker 2: other side. There are six urban radio stations just in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: There are six radio stations that cater just to hip
Speaker 2: hop just in Atlanta. There's one urban radio station in California.
Speaker 2: So think about that, right, So there's one urb and
Speaker 2: that's because of Doc Winner, and shout out to him.
Speaker 2: He always wanted to empower, you know, the black person
Speaker 2: or the black people who have a stake in the culture.
Speaker 2: So we controlled the culture. We don't dictate the metrics
Speaker 2: of it. We set the cools, but we don't control
Speaker 2: the money. We don't control the numbers. YG sold out
Speaker 2: the form I was there. If it was only black
Speaker 2: people wouldn't have sold out, definitely, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But you can do. They have a Chiplin circuit in
Speaker 2: the South webby boozygz Ross. They all do the chilling
Speaker 2: circuit out there. They go thirty thousand a night, they
Speaker 2: go from club to club, it be twenty five hundred.
Speaker 2: So then hold on. Look. So then when you start
Speaker 2: looking at the music to your times. It's a long explanation.
Speaker 2: That's why I said it's deeper. But the long explanation
Speaker 2: is when you look at the music, the music has
Speaker 2: to line up so perfectly culturally, sonically, the tempo, the samples,
Speaker 2: the everything has to line up so perfectly at one
Speaker 2: time in order for it to translate. That that's why
Speaker 2: we get that bias. That's why it's like if any song,
Speaker 2: any song that's ninety five to one hundred and five bpm,
Speaker 2: everybody assumed, oh, that's West Coast, that's a West Coast sound.
Speaker 2: I heard Officer say that when he went on the radio,
Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, Rick Flair drip, that's a
Speaker 2: West Coast sound. To beat every song that one hundred
Speaker 2: bpm is not a West Coast song. I'm a DJ
Speaker 2: by Tray, I mean d Jensen's Forever right. So if
Speaker 2: you got Blow the Whistle Too Short, that's one hundred bpm.
Speaker 2: Rihanna with Drake What's My Name? Oh Na Na, that's
Speaker 2: one hundred bpm. You got Drake Passion Fruit, the disco
Speaker 2: song that he did, that's one hundred bpm. You got
Speaker 2: Lil John Get out of your Mind the techno get
Speaker 2: out of Here. That's one hundred bpm. I just gave
Speaker 2: you four songs that's one hundred bpm. So I hate
Speaker 2: that bias when people say, oh, that's a West Coast
Speaker 2: song because it's because it got tempo and it's moving. No,
Speaker 2: that's not true. It's just that you people don't understand
Speaker 2: and and and they shrunk the dance floor and got
Speaker 2: rid of the dance floor and created sections to sell
Speaker 2: more bottles. It's like a whole cultural overhaul that went
Speaker 2: that we went through from a music standpoint, that made
Speaker 2: things of what they are now. That's kind of like people.
Speaker 3: Don't dance in the club no more man, And honestly,
Speaker 3: I don't think that.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think.
Speaker 3: We're the one motherfucking coast that don't really support their artists.
Speaker 4: As much as they should.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was about to say.
Speaker 3: I think, I think, I think, I think down South
Speaker 3: and East Coast support which still are like they just
Speaker 3: don't support us here. Who is day though, I'm talking
Speaker 3: about people period are.
Speaker 2: Look at look at also too from not and I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not copying. I'm not caping for these for
Speaker 2: any infrastructure or any people. But LA is also the
Speaker 2: number two market in the country. So this is another stigma, right,
Speaker 2: So the top five media markets in the country. Number
Speaker 2: one is New York. This is per capita based on
Speaker 2: population and people who consume media and music and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Number one is New York, Number two is LA,
Speaker 2: Number three is Chicago, number four is Dallas, and number
Speaker 2: five is the Bay. That's those are the top five
Speaker 2: media markets in the country, right. So that's why if
Speaker 2: you get a song going in the Bay in LA
Speaker 2: and it becomes huge, you got the biggest, biggest movement
Speaker 2: going because two of the top five markets are in
Speaker 2: California right now. Now, the other part about that is
Speaker 2: when it comes to support in theory, you're right, but
Speaker 2: this being the number two market in the country, the
Speaker 2: majority people who consume media here aren't from here. This
Speaker 2: is number one transplant city in the United States. There
Speaker 2: is a number one transplant city in the United States
Speaker 2: of America. So not to say not to take away
Speaker 2: from New York, because New York is the number one
Speaker 2: market based on population, but out here, this is where
Speaker 2: everybody comes, actors, actresses, publicists, music artists, entertainers, dancers, songwriters, showrunners,
Speaker 2: people who write TV, people who already this is the
Speaker 2: number one transplant place to come. So it's not that
Speaker 2: we don't support our people, it's not really enough of
Speaker 2: us in position and the infrastructure to move the needle.
Speaker 1: Well, what I was going to say was this when
Speaker 1: we was down South, ain't getting way more love down
Speaker 1: here than me get out here. And it sounds crazy
Speaker 1: as it sounds. So we at this spot. It's a
Speaker 1: girl from South Carolina that come up to him rapping
Speaker 1: his shit word for word. I just thinking, I think
Speaker 1: the thing about la is La is just too cool too.
Speaker 1: Everybody out here is a actor. Everybody out here is
Speaker 1: a actors. Everybody out here as a rapper. Every one
Speaker 1: you meet is a DJ. This is the me too
Speaker 1: state for real. You feel what I'm saying, Oh you
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: Me too. I do that too. Yeah. I actually went
Speaker 2: went to a party BT weekend. It was more people
Speaker 2: in the VIP line and it wasn't the regular line.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like, Nope, like your addicts,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be regular.
Speaker 2: You could have got in faster by going in general
Speaker 2: mession and get in in the VP line. That was
Speaker 2: a true story, but it was. But that's what it is.
Speaker 2: And I think the Me and Glasses talked about this.
Speaker 2: The one mistake I think a lot of us made,
Speaker 2: which I'm not making that mistake anymore, is running away
Speaker 2: from Hollywood. That's what this place is. So when you
Speaker 2: when you when you shun it and go against it,
Speaker 2: it's more like now you're putting yourself on the outside
Speaker 2: of the business instead of just using it for what
Speaker 2: it is. What it's there for. Right, Hollywood has become
Speaker 2: a negative connotation. Oh you in Hollywood. Well no, I'm
Speaker 2: actually going Westwood or Brentwood, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, here we around be here all night man.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, we missed around be here all night man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming down to sit with us. Man.
Speaker 2: What night This homegrown radio come on, what day? We
Speaker 2: don't have a specially to day. We just drop episodes.
Speaker 2: But I do have another Shoulders coming probably for the
Speaker 2: next two weeks. That's I'm gonna be announcing it. Just
Speaker 2: keep it locking my stay on my socials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whish wish your Instagram, man, I don't just assume
Speaker 1: everybody know who the hell you is.
Speaker 2: At dj H E D on everything at dj H
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