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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up? Straight I am, It's me Jason MacIntire,

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Wednesday, June the eighteenth. Ooh boy, we

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Speaker 2: got some bad news on the NBA Finals, folks. If

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Speaker 2: you didn't think it was over already, we just got

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Speaker 2: word a couple hours ago. As we record this on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: late afternoon, Tyrese Haliburton's calf it ain't good and he's

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Speaker 2: getting an MRI to determine the severity of it. They

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Speaker 2: will probably know the results sometime today or Thursday, and

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Speaker 2: the fact that Tyrese Haliburton has to get an MRI

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Speaker 2: tells me it ain't good and he's not gonna play.

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Speaker 2: That would be my guest. Why force it. The last

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Speaker 2: time we had a high profile player who had a

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Speaker 2: calf issue in the NBA Finals, his name was Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: He sat out I believe game one, and then I

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Speaker 2: think it was game two. Yeah, Warriors lost Game one.

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Speaker 2: He kemes in Game two and he's like lighting it up.

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Speaker 2: I believe he was five for five and it was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Warriors got this series, and pop it was over. I

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Speaker 2: believe it was twelve minutes in one minute in the

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Speaker 2: I was just like devastated, like, oh my gosh. And

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Speaker 2: the ramifications for that Kevin Durant injury in the finals

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Speaker 2: were massive. The Warriors lose the Finals, Kevin Durant leaves,

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Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard leaves the Raptors. I mean, does he stay

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Speaker 2: if the Raptors lose? I have no idea, but the

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Speaker 2: Warriors were not the same. Then Klay Thompson gets hurt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kevin Durant has not been the same since

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Speaker 2: that Achilles. He's been very, very good. The numbers are great,

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Speaker 2: he's still a bucket, but he's not been an MVP

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Speaker 2: caliber player. He's not done anything in the playoffs. I

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Speaker 2: know they lost a close end to the Bucks, but

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Speaker 2: he just never covered. And then this postseason we see

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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum go down with the Achilles, and now it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton is a calf. It's the middle of June.

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Speaker 2: If he plays and something happens, he's out all next year.

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Speaker 2: My guess as of now is it Tyrese Haliburton sits

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Speaker 2: out Game six and the thunder win. I would guess

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Speaker 2: sort of feels over rob G with Tyreese Halliburton's calf

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Speaker 2: being the end of the line for India.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really sucks. And unfortunately that's been the story

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Speaker 3: now for five, six, seven years. When it comes to

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Speaker 3: NBA playoff runs, somebody somewhere is gonna deal with some

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Speaker 3: team and some player, usually a star player who gets hurt.

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Speaker 3: And a few of the Twitter doctors I follow on

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Speaker 3: social media, one of them, doctor Evan Jefferies, has been

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Speaker 3: on several of the shows that I've produced. He actually

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Speaker 3: called this amazingly after Game two when they saw him

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Speaker 3: limping I believe into the post game and they were

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Speaker 3: calling it reportedly at the time, calf tightness. And he

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Speaker 3: does a little postgame podcast of his own I think

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Speaker 3: he does, like a live YouTube show, and then he

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Speaker 3: publishes later and he said at the time, I would

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Speaker 3: not be surprised. In fact, I would almost predict that

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Speaker 3: this calf tightness quote unquote tightness is gonna lead to

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Speaker 3: a strain at some point. Oh and lo and behold,

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Speaker 3: after Game five, we get the report that he has

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Speaker 3: a strain. Doctor Evan Jeffries again tweets out his video

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Speaker 3: follows it up with some more tweets. Typically, if it's

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Speaker 3: a Grade one, it's about one to two weeks. And

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Speaker 3: the problem with these is it's not like you can rehabit.

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Speaker 3: It's not like you can strengthen it. It's really stem

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Speaker 3: you know, electro therapy and rest you can't. Just the

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Speaker 3: point is, don't do anything. That's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 3: One to two weeks for grade one, Grade two three

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Speaker 3: to six weeks. And here's what follows another tweet. Here's

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Speaker 3: the the biggest risk of him playing. You went from

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Speaker 3: tightness to strain. Strain makes your calf weak, weak calf.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned it leads to achilles issue. Now, I don't

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Speaker 3: think he's gonna go all the way out and say that, yes,

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Speaker 3: if he plays, he's gonna ad your his achilles. But

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Speaker 3: that is the progression that you're running yourself into in

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Speaker 3: these situations. It's why as recently as last year, football

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Speaker 3: fans will know there was a big nationwide conversation about

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Speaker 3: whether or not Joe Burrow should play on that calf

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Speaker 3: If he keeps playing and it's as bad as they're saying,

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Speaker 3: it is one wrong step, one wrong push off to

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Speaker 3: avoid a sack, he's popping his achilles. Now, thankfully for

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, that never came to be. We'll see what

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Speaker 3: happens with the Tyres Halliburn. Unfortunately for him or for

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Speaker 3: sports fans, I disagree with you. I think he's gonna play.

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna he's gonna tour it all or

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Speaker 3: shouldn't have been playing in game five, and I think

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Speaker 3: he's gonna do the same thing here in game six.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, you know it's interesting that that doctor had

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Speaker 2: it after game two because game three, with an extra

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Speaker 2: day of rest in between two and three, Haliburton had

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Speaker 2: twenty two, eleven and nine. He was electric. Perhaps telling

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Speaker 2: is that he has seven free throw attempts through five games.

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Speaker 2: He was averaging three a game in the last round

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Speaker 2: against the Knicks. Is the calf making him afraid to drive?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a decent conclusion one could draw.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't want to. I mean, you need to push off,

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Speaker 2: don't know, Rob, I don't love I don't love anything

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Speaker 2: about this. It just stinks. And you know, I mean, Now,

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Speaker 2: you got guys saying, oh, Haliburton's got if he said

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Speaker 2: if he could walk, he could play, he's walking, He's

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Speaker 2: gotta play. Then you got guys blasting Miles Turner. I'll

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Speaker 2: defend Myles Turner for a moment. Everybody's saying he's having

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Speaker 2: an awful series. He's a little down for the regular season,

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Speaker 2: shooting forty one percent not great, twenty two percent from

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Speaker 2: three definitely not great. And he's at thirteen and four. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a guy in Oklahoma City who people

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Speaker 2: believe is the number potential, number two on a title winner.

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Speaker 2: He's shooting thirty seven percent for the field, worse than

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Speaker 2: Miles Turner, fourteen percent from three, way worse than Miles Turner.

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Speaker 2: And he's averaging twelve but nine boards. And that's Chet Holmgrend.

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Speaker 2: So Chet Holmgren's having a weaker series than Miles Turner

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Speaker 2: yet because Indy's down three two, And it's not because

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Speaker 2: fully blame the refs. SGA obviously made some plays. He's

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Speaker 2: been tremendous, but like this killing Miles Turner, My instant

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Speaker 2: thought rob was, oh, maybe the Lakers can get him

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Speaker 2: at a bargain basement discount if the Pacers are ticked now.

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Speaker 2: The interesting note is, again, just before we started recording,

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Speaker 2: are trading the number twenty three pick in this draft

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Speaker 2: also frees up three point two million in cap space

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Speaker 2: for the Pacers and they now have their own first

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Speaker 2: gonna have be about twenty million below the luxury tax

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Speaker 2: according to Bobby mark C at ESPN, and well below

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Speaker 2: both Aprons, which means I don't think the Lakers can

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Speaker 2: count Miles Turner at a bargain basement deal, and the

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Speaker 2: Pacers are probably going to overpay to keep him, and

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Speaker 2: assuming Haliburton doesn't get suffer a serious injury, I think

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Speaker 2: the Pacers will probably enter next season as the favorites

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Speaker 2: in the East. Rob Is that fair unless there's a

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Speaker 2: big trade involving Giannis.

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Speaker 3: Definitely. I mean, because you know Boston to be determined,

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Speaker 3: we're probably we're gonna call this a gap year for them. Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: I would say for the regular season at least Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: sixty win type season. But when you get to the postseason,

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Speaker 3: rolling like their style of play causes a problem for

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Speaker 3: reading some tweets as you were going that last round there.

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Speaker 3: I really hope that this Halliburn injury does not lead

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Speaker 3: calling out this OKAC run as you know, a fraudulent

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Speaker 3: Now they're saying Halliburn's calf and it's.

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Speaker 2: Like, ooh, you just gave me a take run.

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Speaker 3: You're not entertaining, because like, if we went through history,

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Speaker 3: I just hope that doesn't become a narrative now moving forward.

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Speaker 2: You might have just made it one I forgot. So

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Speaker 2: remember they were down in game three, like twenty five

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Speaker 2: believe Aaron Gordon had the ankle it was immobile hamstring.

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Speaker 2: But that that is an interesting take. Huh, this is

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Speaker 2: kind of Oh, that's good ammunition for that. I don't like. Okay,

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Speaker 2: se Krap, thank you very much. By the way, Selfishly,

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Speaker 2: you know, Danny Green is on that Mecca League team

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Speaker 2: for what you know, he's doing stuff with the networks,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, go go thunder go win it

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Speaker 2: at six so we can get our guy back selflessly

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Speaker 2: for the league, Rob, I don't know if you saw this.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we're big Lebron fans out here, and Lebron was

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Speaker 2: talking about the rings culture and how he thinks it's

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Speaker 2: stupid and I a thousand percent agree with them, and

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Speaker 2: I think everybody does. You know Charles Barkley didn't win

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Speaker 2: a ring? Does that mean he's not one of like

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Speaker 2: the twenty five best players ever? Like, I love James Worthy,

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Speaker 2: Big Game James Finals MVP had a triple double in

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Speaker 2: Game seven, So like, because James Worthy has multiple rings,

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Speaker 2: is he better than Charles Barkley? I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: best scorers the league has ever seen. How many scoring

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Speaker 2: titles is you have? And Lebron kind of bashes this

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Speaker 2: whole rings culture. Carl Malone went to the finals twice,

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Speaker 2: didn't win. Is he a bum? No, He's still a

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Speaker 2: Lebron is right now. I do think he's doing it

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Speaker 2: selfishly because he knows. Man, it's gonna be tough for

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Speaker 2: me to get another ring with the Lakers. I do

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Speaker 2: already have one with the Heat, two with the Heat,

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Speaker 3: Jason Leviticus, Bartholomew McIntyre Junior. I cannot believe that you

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Speaker 3: Right, Right, Charles Barkley, if you asked him, if you

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Speaker 3: I agree with that one thousand. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: It was Terrell Davis helping him over the top. But

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Speaker 3: me the greatest player of all time. That's verbatim, That

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Speaker 3: in the latest episode of Mine the Game. We just

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Speaker 3: what guys have been able to do because the ring

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Speaker 3: when you came back, that made you the greatest player,

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Speaker 3: not that that made the Cleveland Cavaliers the greatest team

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Speaker 2: Bro Well, hold on, hold on, so Lebron, First of all,

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Speaker 2: nobody had ever come back in the finals down three

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Barkley, and I'm gonna give you a guy.

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Speaker 2: You tell me who had the better career, Charles Barkley

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Speaker 3: Dirk.

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Speaker 3: He was perennially fifty plus win seasons in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Let's just be clear, never better than Kevin Garnett.

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Speaker 2: Never better than Kevin Garnett. And he played, you know

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Speaker 2: these discussions are tough. Like I would ask you Carmelo

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Speaker 2: or dirt, but I'm sure you'd say Dirt because he

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Speaker 2: won the ring and Carmelo didn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean that would be I don't think again, ring

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Speaker 3: culture is just because you have a ring does automatically

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Speaker 3: make you a better player. But when you're comparing guys

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Speaker 3: who I think are close and and you know, I

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Speaker 3: think Dirk and Chuck is what minus the ring, I

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Speaker 3: would say Chuck. But when it's that close, I think

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Speaker 3: you have to consider number one that he has a ring,

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Speaker 3: of number two the path that he took to get there.

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Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think of one for SGA, like

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Speaker 2: who's a good cop? Like okay, okay, okay, Damian Lillard,

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Speaker 2: Now he's older, but you can't tell me right now

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Speaker 2: SGA is better than Damian Lillard. No way, at least

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Speaker 2: not now. And I know Damian Lillard doesn't have an MVP,

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Speaker 2: right but like he was the alpha on the Blazers

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Speaker 2: got to the conference finals, and I know SGA. SGA

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Speaker 2: has a way better team than Dame ever had. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure SGA by the time he's like thirty two

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Speaker 2: will probably be better. But as of now, I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's a lot that SGA is better. I mean,

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Speaker 2: people are saying SGA automatically is like Hall of Fame back.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna have to do a lot of work to overtake,

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Speaker 2: for instance, Chris Paul who does never rein it.

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Speaker 3: But jam you know about the Basketball Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 3: They'll let you in if you had a good enough

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Speaker 3: record game, if I had a good mental league, Like

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, it's no disrespect everybody.

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Speaker 2: Let's go Yannis or Patrick Ewing Jannis interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just look at Jannis as Defensive Player of

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Speaker 3: the Year. I think he's like six time All NBA

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Speaker 3: First Team Like, Jannis's resume is kind of wild, and

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Speaker 3: even SGA, it might seem like this year is like

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Speaker 3: his breakout season because of the MVP and they're on

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Speaker 3: the cuss of the championship. He's been All NBA First

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Speaker 3: Team now three straight years. He was a runner up

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Speaker 3: MVP last year. He's been averaging thirty plus points on

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Speaker 3: fifty plus percent shooting for three trades.

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Speaker 2: Like sounds like James Harden.

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Speaker 3: He has been really really good, but his team is

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Speaker 3: winning on top of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that kind of puts it over the interesting.

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Speaker 2: So you think, I guess it's like a case by

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Speaker 2: case basis. I mean, we could sit here and do

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Speaker 2: this all day, Vince Carter or I don't know, Vince

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Speaker 2: Carter or Clydedrexler, Oh my well, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean Clyde Jack Drexler. And it's only because Vince Carter. Sure,

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Speaker 3: Vince Carter gets propped up because of the dunking. There

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Speaker 3: are people that he was on.

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Speaker 2: He was on some bad Raptors teams that he took far.

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Speaker 3: I think the furthest he went was when they went

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Speaker 3: against Diverson in two thousand and one Clyde Drexler.

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Speaker 2: Vince Carter scored way more points in it, but he

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Speaker 2: did play a lot longer.

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Speaker 3: And so I don't want to I don't want to

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Speaker 3: dis Vince Carter. But there are people that I know

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Speaker 3: who are around the league who have said that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Vince Carter in terms of raw athleticism and ability was

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest of his era and one of

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Speaker 3: the greatest period. And what did he ever do with it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go, Here we go. He was the

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, and then the next in year

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Speaker 2: two he was third team All NBA. Then he was

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Speaker 2: second team All NBA, and then just a bunch of

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Speaker 2: All Star Games. So I don't know. Maybe, actually, maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm maybe Vince Carter's overrated. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's because he is arguably the greatest

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Speaker 3: dunkle of all time and the way he makes you

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Speaker 3: feel makes you feel good. I'll tell you what, if

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Speaker 3: we were out of content for the summer, we should

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Speaker 3: just do episodes of this. Well, we're like, hey, here's

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Speaker 3: ten guys, this guy or this guy, and when we

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Speaker 3: go all the way down the list and we end

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Speaker 3: up with definitively who's the greatest player ever?

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Speaker 2: Oh so Dwight Howard has a ring with the Lakers

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Speaker 2: Dwight Howard or Patrick.

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Speaker 3: Ewing that does not count. Oh god, wait, well, what do.

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Speaker 2: You mean he doesn't count?

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Speaker 3: He was a hugle player on the end of the year,

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Speaker 3: end of the Role Championship. He was a veteran minimum

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Speaker 3: player at that point.

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Speaker 2: All right, I thought he was really good.

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Speaker 3: He his peak in Orlando is up there with some

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Speaker 3: of the greatest peaks of all time.

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Speaker 2: Isn't he the one who kind of bodied Yokic in

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Speaker 2: the bubble? Yes, he had a great defense against Yoki,

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Speaker 2: who was like I was still prime Jokich but you

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Speaker 2: would say Patrick Ewing for sure, right, probably yeah, okay, yeah, now,

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Speaker 2: but you're right, Howard's Orlando resume is impressive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his falloff was just so precipitous.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's got a lot of nonsense going and off

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Speaker 2: the court. All right, Wow, that was easy, Rob and

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Speaker 2: I do like discussing NBA. So there's a new Caitlin

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Speaker 2: Clark book out. We're gonna have the author of that on.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to get my guy, fran Frachella on to

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Speaker 2: do NBA draft stuff, picks being moved, his guy Desmond Bane.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys remember when fran Fracchilla came on the

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Speaker 2: pod years ago and was like, Desmond Bane is the man?

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Speaker 2: Just wait and then you know he nailed a Frank

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Speaker 2: Facilla is great. So hopefully we'll do that later in

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Speaker 2: the week. USA Soccer's coming up, big, big week ahead.

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Speaker 2: We're back tomorrow. See then,