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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 1: hot pursuit.

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Speaker 2: All right, we have a fantastic guest for you today.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty excited, Hannah. You're the one who brought him

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Speaker 2: to us. And John Hennessy has really become a legend

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Speaker 2: alongside you know, Carol Shelby in America.

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Speaker 1: Completely and he's done the difficult task of running and

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Speaker 1: operating a car company and actually delivering cars. When they

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Speaker 1: say they're going to make them, they make them and

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Speaker 1: they actually do it. And he's got a few world

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Speaker 1: records too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So it's a ten year anniversary of the

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Speaker 2: world record that they set with the Venom GT, which

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Speaker 2: I think Steven Tyler famously had a one off version

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Speaker 2: built for himself as a spider. And now it looks

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Speaker 2: like they're going to try that again with their new car,

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Speaker 2: the Venom F five.

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Speaker 1: Which is super exciting. And John also shared some very

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Speaker 1: enticing little tidbit too, I have to say in our conversation.

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually going to be watching Hennessy pretty closely

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Speaker 1: these next few years.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it with John Hennessy. Let's

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Speaker 2: kick it off with the Venom F five and Coda.

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Speaker 3: Okay, sure, Venom F five went to the circumd America's

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Speaker 3: about a month ago, and we've been doing a little

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Speaker 3: bit of testing up there, just kind of dialing our

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Speaker 3: close to a lap record and we thought, well, golly,

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Speaker 3: be the fastest production series roadcar and street tis at CODA.

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Speaker 3: And we did just that. We beat the I think

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Speaker 3: the Seizinger guys there from LA. We beat them by

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Speaker 3: one by about seven seconds of lap and I still

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Speaker 3: don't think that we're anywhere near what the F five

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Speaker 3: is capable around Coda. But again, I think that what

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Speaker 3: Venom F five to be something that would be capable

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Speaker 3: of going and setting big numbers on racetracks like Coda,

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Speaker 3: like we have gone in the numbering yet, but it's

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Speaker 3: on our list. But but we always wanted that Venom

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Speaker 3: be the decathlete of hypercars. So it does, it stops,

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Speaker 3: it turns, it accelerates. Obviously, it's got tremendous power to

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Speaker 3: you know Bugatti obviously the very luxurious and very high

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Speaker 3: a big box for us to check. And we've got

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Speaker 3: a number of other performance records and speed records that

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Speaker 3: we're looking at down the road, but right now it's

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Speaker 3: nice to validate being the fastest production series roadcar and

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Speaker 1: John, I have to say a couple of things. Number One,

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Speaker 1: I love hearing you say golly, because that is so Texan.

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Speaker 1: And my dad says that he's the only other person

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Speaker 1: I really so that's that's a very texting thing. And

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Speaker 1: you know it's really interesting. You know, we've talked in

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Speaker 1: the past about You've said, hey, these type of records

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Speaker 1: and these really high speeds are kind of just the

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Speaker 1: a lot of your buyers are not looking necessarily to

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Speaker 1: own a world record car. Is that am I remembering?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Is that still accurate.

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Speaker 3: That is exactly right. You've got an excellent recollection and

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Speaker 3: exactly to your point, the lap record. Like, we didn't

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Speaker 3: We went there basically to develop our car, perfect our car,

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Speaker 3: to simulate our car under conditions that at some point

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Speaker 3: our customers are going to drive it again. Nobody. I

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Speaker 3: don't know that any but any of our We've sold

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Speaker 3: about forty cars. We've delivered twenty two F fives to day.

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Speaker 3: I've not had an F five client say well, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, look, I'll be really really excited if you

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Speaker 3: tell you what's interesting what our clients really resonates with

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Speaker 3: They tell us that buying the F five is much

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Speaker 3: That's as important to them the overall experience. It is

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Speaker 3: know the old saying of form follows function, form follows

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Speaker 3: that boxers are the things that we're looking at down

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Speaker 3: have a brading right to say, hey, my car is

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Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, just looking at the car,

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Speaker 2: it's gorgeous. I would be happy to own one for

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Speaker 2: just the design, the engineering, the power train. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: need a world record to buy this car. That doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean you're not going to try and set one. Right currently,

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Speaker 2: I think it's held by the Bugatti at three hundred

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a konig Seg that I think.

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Speaker 2: John tell me I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: The Bugatti is a prototype the konig Seg has.

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Speaker 2: In any case, you you've set a world record before.

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Speaker 2: John tell us about this whole the whole history, because

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Speaker 2: you set a world record with the with the VENOMGT

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Speaker 2: ten years ago basically, and that was beating a Bugatti

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of a funny story. So way back

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Speaker 3: So you typically to for Guinness or for FIA, or

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Speaker 3: you didn't run both directions. Yeah. Oh hey, Look, we're

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Speaker 3: I saw him maybe a couple of years later. I

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Speaker 3: make sure next time you run a top streeed run

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Speaker 3: I think it was in twenty nineteen. Amazing number. They

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Speaker 3: you've left the door open now, Hannah. You were mentioning

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Speaker 3: earlier the Conaset guys have run a two average. I

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Speaker 3: maybe twenty seventeen. So again we feel like, again for

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Speaker 3: to take any knocks against them. If they had a

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Speaker 3: make that run, it's still an astonishing record. It still

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Speaker 3: sets a high bar Look, we love competition. We want

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Speaker 2: Let me just ask, is it true that the theoretic

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh yeah, So we've got a team of aridon

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Speaker 3: amesis internally and externally from the company. Uh the CFD.

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Speaker 3: The aero analysis says, with the power that our car

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty eight miles per hour theoretical top speed.

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Speaker 3: We're not trying to go anywhere near that. But look,

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Speaker 3: if we could do that in one direction, I think

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Speaker 3: you know, so where do we run the car? That's

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Speaker 3: any of the bigger OEMs that are operating obviously on

430
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 3: a much much larger scale. But you know, we, as

431
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 3: my friend Joe Jacuzzi from works a GM now pulled

432
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 3: me many years ago, don't believe your own bs, don't

433
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: believe your own press. We all have egos that we

434
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 3: all have to put in check. And I'm I'm definitely,

435
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 3: you know, one of those people. But I guess, as

436
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 3: I've gotten older and hopeful a little bit wiser, try

437
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Speaker 3: to keep that going.

438
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Speaker 2: Check.

439
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 3: Did Joe really just have great people and trust her people?

440
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: Did Joe somehow? Did Joe help you start up your business?

441
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: Because I've heard you talk about kind of your origin story,

442
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: and Jacuzzie always plays into it.

443
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 3: I'll tell put Jacuzzi stories. So I me at Bonnable

444
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one with my three thousand GTVR four

445
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 3: and the very nice people at Mitsubishi Motors in California

446
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: decided to send Joe, who was in their PR department,

447
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 3: out with a freelancer, a guy named see Van Tune.

448
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: Van still a very close friend. Van rose up to

449
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: be the editor in chief at motorcrim back in the

450
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: mid to late nineties, and so Joe and Van showed

451
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: up when I was just about to get into a

452
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: fist fight with one of the with one of the

453
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: marshals in the pits who said you can't drive your

454
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: car under his own power. I'm like, well I drove here.

455
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: I didn't trailer my car. And the guy's like, what,

456
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 3: nobody drives their car to bonnible By I did. I

457
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: had my luggage on my floor, Jack and my suitcase

458
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: and helmet in the back. Anyway, so Van and Joe

459
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: pull up just as I was getting really to really

460
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: get into it with this guy, and they were like, oh,

461
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: we've got a minivan. We can toe John around. So

462
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: we became friends at Bonnable. I set a class record

463
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: at Bottable and then Joe was so kind. Joe said, Hey, look,

464
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 3: I really like your story. I really like what you're doing.

465
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 3: If you come down to LA after Bonnible. I'll take

466
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 3: you around all the introduce you to some of the

467
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: automotive Back then, it was just car magazines, right, So

468
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: the car magazine guys. And I've read car magazines ever

469
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: since I could read. And I'm like, oh, that'll be

470
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: so much fun. So I go down and do that.

471
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: Meet guys from Jeff Carr at Motorcron and guys from

472
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: hot Rod and car Craft and Car and Driver. I've

473
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: been gone from home now for like three weeks. I'm like,

474
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go home. Joe said, hey, look, trust me,

475
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: if these guys like you and they like your car

476
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: and they write something nice about you, your phone will ring.

477
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: It's sure enough. Two months later, magazine comes out, my

478
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: phone started ringing. People wanted to buyer stuff. So Joe

479
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: taught me a very very important lesson. I didn't even

480
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: know what that concept of earned media was back then,

481
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: but at that point once I learned that lesson, pretty

482
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: much every time for when somebody from a major car

483
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 3: magazine would call me up and said, hey, we need

484
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: a car to go do something stupid crazy like me

485
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: driving two hundre miles an hour and in a viper

486
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: around the hand a proving grounds in Capnia City. That

487
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 3: was that was a scary moment, but anyway, I would

488
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: just say yes. And so that's I think how we

489
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: began the process of building a brand, going back on,

490
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: you know, almost thirty years ago. So I credit my

491
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 3: friend Joe Jacuzzi to that. We still talk. I'll probably

492
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: see him in Detroit in a couple of weeks. He's

493
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: a dear friend and been a very very kind to

494
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: kind of help guide me along the way.

495
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Speaker 1: So I have to ask, it's two hundred miles an

496
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Speaker 1: hour the fastest you've driven?

497
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: John personally?

498
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: What ye personally?

499
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: Gone? Yeah, so venom GT I hit two forty three

500
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: and F five I think I'm around two twenty without.

501
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: You know, again, when we're out at NASA, we're testing

502
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: the car. We've got a pro in the car. They're

503
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: not going to just let me just jump in it

504
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: and go yeehaw, but I'm going to do that at

505
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: some point.

506
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Speaker 1: What does that feel like?

507
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: What is that speed? You know? I mean, so we

508
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: have a little drag strip out behind our factory here,

509
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: So in the F five, even at one seventy five,

510
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: it's very axhilarating. But I mean in the case of

511
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 3: you have five accelerating even in the into the two twenties.

512
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 3: The faster it goes, the faster it wants to go.

513
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: It's very surreal. And you know you're not just feeling that.

514
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 3: You're not just feeling the G force and the speed.

515
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: It's a it's a complete sensory overload of sound, of vibration,

516
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: even site, even even like where you're looking to you

517
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 3: get there quicker than you thought you would, so so

518
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: your whole body has this whole sensory download of every

519
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: sense that Again, we're talking about EVS, and I don't know.

520
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: I could talk about the EVS plenty, but you know, I've

521
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: got to test the plat. It's my it's currently my

522
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: daily driver. It gives you all the g's, but that's

523
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: all that's all you get. You know, it's somewhat antiseptic,

524
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: as my doctor friend says about luck of cars.

525
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: So why do you job? Why do you drive that

526
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: as a daily driver instead something that sounds good?

527
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: Well that's a long list, but the reason I'm have

528
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: been driving it up till now is I paid a

529
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: hund forty grand for it, and I think it's words

530
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: forty so like I lost my shirt on resale value,

531
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 3: some might as well just wear it out. Also at

532
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 3: the time when I about the time I bought that

533
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: and I best bought that car because I wanted to

534
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: experience it to analyze, like, don't want to get into

535
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: that market. And we've sent our customers and dealers have

536
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: since told us they don't want evs. And now obviously

537
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: you're hearing that from a lot of the rest of

538
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: the market. But I had bought I had ordered an

539
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: Audi RS six of aunt Wagon for my daily driver.

540
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 3: It came in around the same time when and when

541
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Speaker 3: my wife. And when my wife saw it, she said,

542
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: is that my new car? So that car's three years

543
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: old and has seven thousand miles on it. So anyway,

544
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: so maybe maybe at some point, out of the goodness

545
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: of her heart, she'll let me drive that. But I

546
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: think I'm just about done with the Tesla. I have

547
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: no I have no issues with the Tesla. It's a

548
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: it's otherwise a very good car. It has horrible resale value,

549
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: and it destroys retires. I go through a pair of

550
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: retires every five thousand miles. But that it's been a

551
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: good car.

552
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: Now, does this mean that the project Deep Space is

553
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: not happening. And this is the six wheel three million

554
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: dollar Yes, this design idea that I remember writing about

555
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: a few years ago, is that is that done?

556
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: No, it's it's on hold. So if we go back

557
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: three four years ago, we felt like, okay, you know,

558
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: the OEMs and the government's all talking about, oh, we're

559
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 3: going to be all electric twenty thirty twenty thirty five.

560
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I hope that isn't true. Hopefully the market

561
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: gets to decide. Hopefully the consumer gets to decide. But if,

562
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: by chance, the OEMs and the governments do get away

563
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: with what I hope they won't do, we have to

564
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 3: be prepared to pivot. So we thought of, okay, if

565
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: we're going to get into ev we have to do

566
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: something radically different. And so that's where the six wheel drive,

567
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: long wheelbase, big battery you know, six motors came from.

568
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: And then we introduced that. We talked to our customers

569
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 3: and dealers about it for the I don't know, six

570
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: nine months afterwards, and everybody gave it a big thumbs down,

571
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, for at least our customers, they

572
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: still want combustion. So we didn't kill d space is

573
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: not not dead, but it's on pause and we can

574
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: always circle back to it when there's interest. But right

575
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: now we're looking forward to the next car after F

576
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: five will be in one hundred percent of the turn combustion,

577
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: and we'll kind of see what's after that. You know,

578
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: when we put it was a big bet on that

579
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: F five. I literally bet the family fortune what little

580
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: we've got on developing that car. And so basically what

581
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm saying is, you guys are referring to others that

582
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: have not you know, not made it financially. I can't

583
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: afford to make a bad bet and bet on a

584
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: car that doesn't go, that doesn't sell where the market

585
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: turns in the wrong direction. So we're always trying to

586
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: listen to our customers, listen to the market, and hopefully

587
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: kind of deal wing Gritzky saying, we want to be

588
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: skating towards where the puck is going, not where it

589
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: is right now.

590
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: To that point, I wanted to ask you about your kids.

591
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you have five kids. You always talk about

592
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: your family in every interview, you know, so you're obviously

593
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: focused on them. Are they focused on you? Are they

594
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: focused on the business? Is this going to be the

595
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: kind of thing where they either get into it or

596
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: do they influence you heavily in terms of what you're

597
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: what you're doing in the future.

598
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: All the above. I mean, we just we're three point

599
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: one million Instagram followers. That was me yielding to my

600
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: oldest daughter and listen to my kids three or four

601
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: years ago when we had three hundred thousand Instagram followers.

602
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: They've grown it, you know, they've grown it ten x

603
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: since then. And so yeah, I think I think the

604
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: older I get and the better that the overall team

605
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: that surrounds them. But look, we want our brand to

606
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: be relevant from age ages and demographics from eight years

607
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: old to eighty years old. We don't ever want to

608
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: go the way of you know, hopefully nobody gets mad

609
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: at Harley Davison, but I kind of feel like some

610
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: Harley Davis and buyers have aged out and now they're

611
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: getting older, so we want to make sure that we're relevant.

612
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, So again I think listening and yielding to

613
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: our kids that are ranged from age from twenty three

614
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: to twenty nine, and it's very much we arm rustle

615
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: a lot, and we argue a little bit about future product,

616
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: but I generally, again on future product and kind of

617
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: certain directions of the company go. I'll give them some

618
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: leeway to to try different things, but ultimately we want

619
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: to see very focused, but we also want to be

620
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: open minded to certain pivot points of other you know,

621
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: we're talking a lot about rest of mods. We don't

622
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: really want to do portions. I mean, obviously there's a

623
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: number of other companies doing that type of stuff. So

624
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: what kind of rest a mod would we do? We

625
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: don't really know, but that's a that's an active, almost

626
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: daily topic of discussion within the family, within the company,

627
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: so possibly yeah. I mean, look with muscle cars, I mean,

628
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things we can do. I think

629
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: Broncos Blazers. Again, there's a lot of demand for those

630
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: cars that were the cars that were special to us. Again,

631
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm sixty one, so the cars I grew up with

632
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: there and those are our customers. They have the money

633
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: to spend on those type of vehicles kind of going forward.

634
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: So it's fun having that. It's fun to be able

635
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: to experience the business with our family.

636
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: What your kids think about electric cars, especially electric hypercars,

637
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, is there an argument that there's a younger

638
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: generation that's a lot more open to an electric hypercar

639
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: than the older people.

640
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: So I've got Sun along drives a Model three to

641
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: work just because he can just wear it out back

642
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: and forth. But he also owns a C seven Corvette

643
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: for a track car. He's got a fifteen hundred Ardstar

644
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: of Super sitting in his garage. He's probably a little

645
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: bit like me that the EV kind of becomes the

646
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: appliance that gets us kind of where we want to go.

647
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: But we don't want to rock chip and wear out

648
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: our special cars. Right. The rest of the kids are

649
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: all driving internal combustion, So again there's there's pros and

650
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: cons to that program. But to your question on you know, look,

651
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: you've got you've got Pinaprina and you've got Remonks with

652
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: these two thousand horsefar hypercars. I think the Pinafrina is

653
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: better looking than the Remonks, but technologically they're both I'm

654
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: sure amazing cars and ridiculous fast. But most again, most

655
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: of our F five customers don't want them. I've got

656
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: one customer that just bought a Penafrina, but they don't

657
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: have the emotion and they know that. So again it

658
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: fits a certain part of the niche part of the market.

659
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: That's not where we're going to be going if other

660
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: people want to get into the You know, it seems

661
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: like there's always some ev HyperCard that kind of pops

662
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: up out of the woodwork and makes a big splash,

663
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: and then you don't hear. At least Geneva Motor Show,

664
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: there'd be some Chinese company with some new you know,

665
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: one thousand words part of shoe box. It would show up,

666
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: and the next year at Geneva you didn't see them anymore.

667
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: We don't want to be those guys. We want to

668
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: be again. We want to make relevant, smart decisions on

669
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: future product and I think so much of that is

670
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: driven is the combination of what I like, what our

671
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: family likes, but really it's all about what our customers

672
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: and dealers want. It's about what the public wants.

673
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: I just want to talk a little bit about the

674
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: cars that you like and where your taste is now

675
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: versus where it was. I think of you as synonymous

676
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: with muscle cars, but you know, you started out with

677
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: the Mitsubishi, and you did a lot of g ADM cars,

678
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: and I know that you also were into like the

679
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: super B rally cars. So what do you like right now,

680
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: Like if you could put together a garage of like

681
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: two or three cars, what would you what would you

682
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: pick for that garage?

683
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 3: So like right now, I really want to ven mgt

684
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: in the stable. We built about a dozen of those.

685
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: There's a client that might take one on trade. I

686
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: might build my own VENMGT twelve and a horse power

687
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: twelve and Arkilo's a very light weight. I definitely want

688
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: to repuill my wife's Audi or a sixth on at

689
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: some point that's that will be my daily At some

690
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: point we might end up with his and hers. We'll see, gosh,

691
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: what will be the third one? So the car that

692
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: the car that my wife and kids gave me for

693
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: my sixtieth birthday a year and a half ago, nineteen

694
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: sixty nine olds four four to two convertible, which is

695
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: very similar to the very first car that I bought.

696
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: So if I had to have three cars right now

697
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: and plus and half five, so that'd be four cars.

698
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: So those those would be my four cars.

699
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good list. Did you come from

700
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: a car family? John rolling Up?

701
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: My dad was definitely a car guy. I was always

702
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: in the cars and always had something new, and so

703
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: I think I inherited the car bug from my dad, definitely,

704
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: but he was the only one in the family. My

705
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 3: grandfather was in the planes and he was a pilot

706
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: during World War One, so I guess there's that side

707
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 3: of the business. But yeah, my dad, you.

708
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: Know, I wanted to ask you brought the olds, and

709
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: I've seen it on YouTube, and as far as I understand,

710
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: it's not like a resto mod it's still original, right,

711
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: So it is original, which is interesting because you're you're

712
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: a guy who mods everything. That's your business. So I wonder,

713
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: aside from the olds, because you have that and I

714
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: know how it's meaningful to you, are there cars that

715
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: you would like to have that you wouldn't modify.

716
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: That's a great question. I mean, in the case of

717
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: my fourth four two it you know, it seemed like

718
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: it was fast back when I had mine in the seventies,

719
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: but it doesn't feel very fastness. I've been thinking about

720
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: putting an LT four in it and tune that up

721
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 3: to you know, eight hundred horsepower, eight fifty horsepower. Yeah, no, Look,

722
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: there are other cars. I can tell you a great car.

723
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: Lexus was very kind of about ten years ago. Let

724
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: me drive an LFA for two weeks. That's a car.

725
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: If I own LFA would be LFA would be on

726
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: my extended list of like vehicles I'd love to own.

727
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: I don't think I would touch a thing about the LFA,

728
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: you know, I really wouldn't. Every car is different. I'm

729
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: trying to think other cars that I really wouldn't want

730
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: to touch. Nothing really comes to mind. I mean, again,

731
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 3: the cars that we want to modify for our clients,

732
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: we have to have some upside where we can make

733
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: them more fun, more unique. But they also have to

734
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 3: be reliable, they have to pass smog, they we offer

735
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: a warranty, so so we have to check all those boxes.

736
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: But again, for what I would want to do for myself,

737
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: I level muscle cars, but look, the carbureter are having

738
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: to pull off the air box and force some fuel

739
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: and the batteries go dead. So again, if at some

740
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: point we pivot towards restaurants, I would want to make

741
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: it to where like you could sit in your garage

742
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: for six months and you can just go out and

743
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: just hit the key and it starts the first time.

744
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: That I think would be a nice thing to have.

745
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: Would you pivot towards restomods because it seems like a

746
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: market that isn't going away.

747
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, again, we will likely do it at some point.

748
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: I just don't know what vehicle it is. I mean,

749
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: right now we from design engineering standpoint, I probably have

750
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: the bandwidth to develop one or two restaurants in the

751
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: next year or two. But again, I don't want I

752
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: don't want to. I really don't want to do what's

753
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: already been done unless I feel like I can, I

754
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 3: can differentiate our product and our brand in a significant way.

755
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not going to throw out any

756
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: names of vehicles, but anybody listen to podcasts if you

757
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: want to comment or email us and what kind of

758
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: a rest am id you would like to see come

759
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: from Hennessy. But I think it leans towards American muscle

760
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's just a muscle car, a sports car,

761
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: or a trucker issue, I don't know. But uh, you know,

762
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 3: I just don't I just generally don't like doing products

763
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: where it's kind of already been done. Like again, I'll

764
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: use the I love nine eleven's and there's a particular

765
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: genre of nine to eleven that's not been done before

766
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: that I'd love to do, but I feel like Singer

767
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: and others do such a nice job of it. I

768
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: don't know if I want to jump into that sandbox necessarily.

769
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: Well, if you, if anyone listening has a recommendation for John,

770
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: that email is hot pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. Email

771
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: us with your recommendations and we'll get them to John.

772
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: And sounds like there's room for some Porsche activity maybe

773
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: or or not right? I mean, I know you said

774
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Singer does it great? But didn't you just say there's

775
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: does it?

776
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: Does it?

777
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

778
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: Look, I mean put it this way, there's a certain

779
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: type of a nine to eleven that I would like

780
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: to build for myself that does not really exist in

781
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: the marketplace.

782
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: Which type is?

783
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I want to give it away.

784
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: Good we end up doing that. I like they like

785
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: to keep it a surprise.

786
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: I take that as a good sign that you're serious

787
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: about it, whatever it is.

788
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, we talk. We talk about it a lot internally,

789
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: but we'll see.

790
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: I want to finally ask you about the powertrains that

791
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: you love, John, because that's, you know, been your focus

792
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: for so long. And I guess i'll leave out we

793
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: can leave out the flat sixes. But are there power

794
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: trains that you prefer, like big naturally aspirated motors. Do

795
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: you like superchargers vetter than turbos or are you Does

796
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: it depend completely on the car? Are there some that

797
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: really stick out for you?

798
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: Look, I meet a opportunity. I love it all. So

799
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: if it's rowdy and fast and fun, makes the right sounds,

800
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: makes the car go feel right, I'm a fan. So

801
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: I love NA Again. Going back to our days with

802
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: the Viper, we were we had big war kits for

803
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: the Viper. We did a nine liters package and we

804
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 3: could get eight hundred horse power of the Viper normally

805
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: asked right, I love that again. When it comes to boost,

806
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: I can make an argument for supercharger or turbo. I

807
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: love this feeling and the sound of turbos. But in

808
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: terms of our business, it's hard to scale big powerful

809
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: turbo kits. So predominantly of the six hundred vehicles that

810
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: we're building a year, like we have our we have

811
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 3: our our Venom seven seventy five horsepower F one fifty

812
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: pickup truck. It's super charged because we can scale that

813
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: and it's got great reliability to it. Obviously, the F

814
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 3: five is twin turbo, but again, we're only doing eleven

815
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: of those a year typically, so I love them all. Again,

816
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, if there's one common denominator,

817
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of American muscle. It's it's V eight

818
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: in the case of the Viper obviously V ten. But look,

819
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: I have no issue with you know, you can get

820
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: a GTR to make three thousand horse power out of

821
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: a V six, so there's no I'm not in particular,

822
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: you know, I don't have anything against the Inline six

823
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: like the two jay Z and the Super those are

824
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: wonderful motors. But again, there I guess it just kind

825
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: of comes down to the V eight and the V

826
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: ten are kind of special to us, and they've been

827
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 3: our kind of our specialty going back for almost thirty

828
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: three years, so we'll probably continue to continue to go

829
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: down that path.

830
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: Good.

831
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for taking the time to share all this stuff.

832
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: We're watching.

833
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: Thank you all.

834
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: Eagerlly loving watching your work, and I'll be watching with

835
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: even more focus from now on. Thanks so much for

836
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: joining us. All Right, so awesome interview with John Hennessy.

837
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: He loved listening to him, It loved his answers, I've

838
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: been looking deeper and deeper into his work recently. So

839
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: very cool that they're gonna it looks like they're gonna

840
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: attempt a world record. Yeah.

841
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: I think it's exciting. And I just love the Texas connection.

842
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: As you know, he's just a guy down in Texas

843
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: doing his thing, and he's he's earned a lot of

844
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: respect over the years, so I think that's very cool.

845
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: He just like went racing a few times and was

846
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: very successful, and he was like, I'm gonna start this

847
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: doing business.

848
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: I know, he's so casual about doing these things that

849
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: are incredibly complicated and difficult, and he's just you know,

850
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: very ho hum about it.

851
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Kind of cool, very cool. And he talks about the

852
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: potential of resto modeling a few cars, which I think

853
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: is so tantalizing. I wonder what they could be.

854
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: I think we need our listeners to email us at

855
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot.

856
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: Net, Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net, and.

857
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: We're thinking, you know, Porsche, Corvette, Bronco, maybe something along

858
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: those lines.

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Speaker 2: I wonder I wonder if he'll go the four by

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Speaker 2: four route. I wonder if that market has come substantially

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Speaker 2: down like I look on bring a trailer, and the

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Speaker 2: prices seem to it.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's peaked a bit. I honestly do

864
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Speaker 1: think it's peaked.

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Speaker 2: But he could do something that we haven't even thought about, so.

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Speaker 1: That'd be cool.

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear suggestions, and we'll send him

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00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: along to John Hennessy next week. Have you got anything

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Speaker 2: special coming up?

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Speaker 1: You know, Mercedes is finally unveiling their electric g Wagon.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I drove a prototype of this vehicle last year, and

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Speaker 1: now they're of course having the official launch. I'll have

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Speaker 1: something to report about that next week.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I am expecting to try out the

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Speaker 2: Lamborghini the off road Lamborghini Strato. The Strato cool. They're

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Speaker 2: supposed to bring it over tomorrow and a buddy of

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00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: mine he sent me a suggestion that I thought was

879
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: pretty amazing. And I've never even thought about it before.

880
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: You could even do a story. The old Albany Post Road.

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00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Never heard of it.

882
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: It's about, I don't know, fifteen miles north of me.

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00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: It's not that far away. It is the oldest dirt

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Speaker 2: road in America.

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Speaker 1: How do you even know that it's I mean, how

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Speaker 1: would you claim that.

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00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. The Old Albany post Road is apparently

888
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: one of the oldest unpaved roads in America, or the

889
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: oldest everywhere I look. It says it's the oldest. It's

890
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Speaker 2: about ten kilometers long, six point six miles long. And

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this because they told me not to

892
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: take it off road, right the off road Lamborghini in

893
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: the press religion in the lone agreement, it says it's

894
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: not fair. It says, by the way, don't take it

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Speaker 2: off road. So I wanted to find a road that

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Speaker 2: wasn't paved.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's fine, fair game, it's still ally ho and

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Speaker 1: carry on.

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Speaker 2: Well, that does it for this week. That's all we

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Speaker 2: got time for. I'll see you here, same time, same place, next.

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Speaker 1: Week, the time, same place. Email us hot Pursuit at

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