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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. I've got

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Speaker 1: He was a long time I'm senator from the state

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Speaker 1: The idea that Washington is for sale is not controversial.

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Speaker 1: of the US media. I mean, take the take the

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Speaker 1: current situation at the Pentagon. So HAIG SATs successfully essentially

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Speaker 1: got rid of the professional journalists from covering the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: because they you know, forced some you know, frankly, something

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Speaker 1: that was against the First Amendment. I don't think was

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Speaker 1: constitutional what they did. I you know, I got to

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Speaker 1: think there's going to be a a I think having

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Speaker 1: to sign that sign that is unconstitutional, and I got

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Speaker 1: to think there's going to be a lawsuit that has

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Speaker 1: some success on this. I'm not active in the first

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Speaker 1: Amendment legal community. Because I'm not a lawyer, but if

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Speaker 1: I were, that certainly would be something I'd be advocating

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Speaker 1: and would be working on. But you know, so now

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Speaker 1: it's a whole bunch of you know influencers. Right, You've

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Speaker 1: got lawer Lumer, you got that white that sort of

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Speaker 1: want to be white superbat. There's a poor man's Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 1: what's his name, Jack pro probacyak or whatever, sort of

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Speaker 1: a truly sort of irrational clown. And you know they're

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Speaker 1: also kind of sicko fan tea. But it says, you know,

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Speaker 1: hag Seth hasn't had to face a barrage of questions.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We even have this new Inspector General report out that

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Speaker 1: says exactly what everybody said he did during Signal Gate,

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Speaker 1: which is he risked the lives of folks involved in

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Speaker 1: that mission. Yes, he technically had the power to declassify

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Speaker 1: those things, but apparently he could not come up with

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Speaker 1: the could not come up with paperwork or prove that

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Speaker 1: he had done anything to declassified other than I guess

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Speaker 1: magically thinking about it in his head. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like the Donald Trump defense during the during that investigation

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Speaker 1: of the classified documents that he had just said, I

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Speaker 1: just thought about declassifying it, so therefore they're declassified. But two,

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Speaker 1: but you look at the fact that there's no sort

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Speaker 1: of media pressure on hag Seth the way we would

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Speaker 1: have had twenty years ago, right where you've had. If

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Speaker 1: any of you remember Bobby ray Enman, who was a

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Speaker 1: nominee for Defense Secretary during Clinton, had some things in

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Speaker 1: his background, it became kind of a feeding frenzy and

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Speaker 1: he was ended up, uh pulling the nomination. We don't

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Speaker 1: have these moments because we have such a fragmented media.

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Speaker 1: I think if if part if, if if we had

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Speaker 1: the less splintered media and you had more of a

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Speaker 1: and everybody were focused on what's going on with pardons,

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Speaker 1: it would create I think national urgency. It would force

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Speaker 1: attention and there I think then you would have more

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Speaker 1: members of Congress, regardless of party, being forced to go

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Speaker 1: on the record on how they feel about these things.

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Speaker 1: But we don't have that right now. Because this is

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Speaker 1: another thing. In some ways Trump has accelerated this, but

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Speaker 1: his attacks on the mainstream press to delegitimize the mainstream press,

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Speaker 1: and he's done a terrific job of doing this, you know,

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Speaker 1: the help of a of a legacy entity like Fox

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Speaker 1: News Who's who who sort of character assassinated many a

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Speaker 1: journalist in their day. By doing all of this fragmenting,

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Speaker 1: it's it makes it so no one thing becomes the

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Speaker 1: focal point for the for the sort of entire political

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Speaker 1: press court. I would argue these pardons are among the

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Speaker 1: most criminal things we've had a president do. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna one of my tododcast time Machine is

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Speaker 1: going to uh stories as soon as the anniversaries come up,

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Speaker 1: is going to be about the story of Lamar Alexander

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Speaker 1: having to be sworn in early as governor of Tennessee

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Speaker 1: because the person he was replacing was literally selling pardons

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Speaker 1: as he was out the door. And it was such

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Speaker 1: that Democrats joined Republicans and and essentially impeach getting rid

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Speaker 1: of the guy. It It happened in the seventies. Will

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Speaker 1: I will have the more of the details, but the

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Speaker 1: basic story was the Tennessee Legislature, which was Democratic controlled,

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Speaker 1: essentially they accelerated the timeline to swear in Lamar Alexander

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Speaker 1: to stop the outgoing governor from selling pardons. It's actually

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Speaker 1: how Fred Thompson got his acting career because they did

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Speaker 1: a movie about this loosely, and the movie maker couldn't

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Speaker 1: find anybody to play Fred Thompson, who was the lawyer

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Speaker 1: at the time for Lamar Alexander during during this period.

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Speaker 1: So Fred Thompson played himself and lo and behold, it

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Speaker 1: started a career. But the point was there was a

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Speaker 1: time when selling pardons like Donald Trump is doing with

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Speaker 1: something that outraged left and right, that it was just

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Speaker 1: this isn't what you do in a free country. This

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Speaker 1: isn't what you do in a democracy, and if you

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Speaker 1: do do it, it's criminal.

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Speaker 2: And it should be stopped.

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Speaker 1: And I think the lack of focus, the frag mened media, right,

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Speaker 1: there isn't this one. And he does plenty of things

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Speaker 1: that que the outrage, right, the attack on Somali immigrants,

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Speaker 1: what he does to elin Omar all the time, how

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Speaker 1: he goes after personally goes after people that in some

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Speaker 1: ways there's distractions. Right, Venezuela story is a big story.

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Speaker 1: So maybe the pardon, you know, takes a back seat.

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Speaker 2: And it's not.

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Speaker 1: New, right, Donald Trump selling a pardon is no longer

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Speaker 1: a shock anymore. And look, Joe Biden didn't help the

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Speaker 1: pardon story when he did his versions of preemptive pardons

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Speaker 1: and gave all these pardons to his family members. It's

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Speaker 1: to me one of the just worst things he could

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Speaker 1: have done, because he essentially provided a provided cover and

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Speaker 1: a permission slip for Donald Trump to abuse the process

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Speaker 1: even further. And look, I'm no fan of what about ism,

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Speaker 1: but when you can give your opponent material that allows

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Speaker 1: them to say what about then you're not in the

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Speaker 1: best place on that front. But I do think we've

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Speaker 1: totally are under we're under angered by this pardon situation,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think we fully appreciate the long term

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Speaker 1: impact this is going to have on our ability to

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Speaker 1: convince another country to combat corruption, our ability to convince

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Speaker 1: another country to extradite bad actors that we want to

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Speaker 1: prosecute because our rule of law is so ironclad and

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Speaker 1: so well respected. He is totally damaged the perception of

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Speaker 1: America as an honest place for the rule of law,

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Speaker 1: and that has long that can have a long tail

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Speaker 1: effect that makes businesses less comfortable doing business in this country.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons why we're supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: safe haven to start a business or bring money into here.

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Speaker 1: Is is the strength of our rule of law? But

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Speaker 1: if it is now this manipulable And that's the thing, Like,

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Speaker 1: are the people that follow Donald Trump, if we we

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Speaker 1: are not outraged by the selling of pardons in this administration,

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Speaker 1: are we going to be outraged when the next president

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Speaker 1: decides to do it? So our inability collectively to enforce

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Speaker 1: some sort of guardrail on this, to seek to to

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Speaker 1: sort of I mean it is it has become so

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Speaker 1: normal for him to do this that it's being treated

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Speaker 1: like another plane landing safely at National Airport. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just here to tell you that, you know, to repeat

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Speaker 1: an old Bob doleism, where's the outrage? There should be

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Speaker 1: real outrage here. You know, I've spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time on pardons on this my podcast, but hey, I

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Speaker 1: know I'm part of the fragmentation now. But this is

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Speaker 1: an extraordinarily important story. And if you're somebody with some

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Speaker 1: influence listening to this, know, I don't. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any over selling the importance of what we're seeing

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Speaker 1: take place in the in the slow destruction of what

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Speaker 1: the United States of America is supposed to represent when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the rule of law, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to freedom, when it comes to honesty, what he is eroding,

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Speaker 1: you don't just automatically get it back when he walks

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Speaker 1: out the door. And certainly if JD. Vance is his

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Speaker 1: successor or somebody, they're going to see what he got

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Speaker 1: away with.

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Speaker 2: And we know this.

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Speaker 1: Every president sees what a previous president gets away with

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Speaker 1: and tries it a little bit more themselves. We've yet

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Speaker 1: to see a president voluntarily give up power voluntarily, like

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Speaker 1: give you know, hand power back that We've heard rhetoric

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Speaker 1: claiming they would, but they're never signing legislation that would.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to probably take a constantutiontional amendment. But

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Speaker 1: this what we're seeing with the pardon, with the use

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Speaker 1: of the pardons, this is dictatorial. This is the one

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Speaker 1: dictatorial power he actually has, and he is I don't

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Speaker 1: think every anybody realizes how much damage this is going

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Speaker 1: to do to us long term, to the rule of law.

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Speaker 1: To pay to play in this town, h it is,

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Speaker 1: it is. It is the you know, the next stop

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Speaker 1: on the road to losing this republic is going to

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Speaker 1: a full on kleptocracy.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: It's the Trump's Republican party. That's the kleptocracy where everything's

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Speaker 1: paid a play. But this will get contagious, and may

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Speaker 1: already have gotten contagious, very very quickly. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: Mike from the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio, South Bloomfield. Any

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Speaker 1: and perspective with regard to the National Guard soldiers shot

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. Is there any indication that the FBI

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Speaker 1: missed information in advance of this heinous act because they

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Speaker 1: were distracted by immigration enforcement? Well, Mike, I think it's

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Speaker 1: an excellent question. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that

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Speaker 1: simply moving. It's not just with the FBI, but it's

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Speaker 1: also been with DHS that shifting resources to the President's

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Speaker 1: deportation policy and focus on trying to essentially find anybody

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Speaker 1: they can to deport using any means necessary. It's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear that we know this that FBI resources from counter

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Speaker 1: terrorism has been sort of diverted into this. We know

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Speaker 1: that DHS resources that are focused on other things have

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Speaker 1: been diverted into all things ice and essentially tracking down

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Speaker 1: anybody that may be in this country that's undocumented. There's

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Speaker 1: been plenty of anecdotal that we you know, you'd have

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Speaker 1: to almost rely on more and more whistleblowers telling us

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Speaker 1: what's not being investigated versus what is being investigated. I

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Speaker 1: think over the next it's probably going to take us

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Speaker 1: a couple of years to know this for sure. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe this investigation on sort of okay, what was you

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Speaker 1: know what what did we know about this? Should there

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Speaker 1: have been a unit of the FBI and counter in

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Speaker 1: the counterintelligence unit that was sort of constantly keeping an

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Speaker 1: eye on some of these Afghan refugees, considering that we

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Speaker 1: were concerned that that Taliba or essentially enemies of of

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Speaker 1: of of the.

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Speaker 2: West, we're going to infiltrate.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that the vetting process fell down somewhere, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think it should get lost on anybody that

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Speaker 1: you know, we're you know, we do this with there's

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Speaker 1: not a shooting that happens now where we don't look

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Speaker 1: for another reason to not talk about the gun issue, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's in this case we want to talk about, oh,

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Speaker 1: vetting these Afghan nationals. We're not talking about mental health.

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Speaker 1: And yet it does seem as if this was a

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Speaker 1: huge mental health issue.

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Speaker 2: This guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is not easy going from the Afghan

656
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: culture to the American culture. It sounds like he was

657
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: having a lot of trouble. Sounds like people are you know,

658
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: and you know, how much help do some of these

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Speaker 1: refugee communities need.

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Speaker 2: In making sure they can.

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Speaker 1: Assimilate or if they're leaving a war torn area that

662
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Speaker 1: they're not experiencing PTSD and things like this.

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking for.

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Speaker 1: An excuse as to why this guy did it to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, he should be off the streets period. Right,

666
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Speaker 1: that's not the issue. But I hope we do a

667
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Speaker 1: real after action report here because I want to know

668
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: all of those things, right. I want to know, has

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Speaker 1: there been a unit of the FBI that was a

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Speaker 1: little a bit more aggressive about keeping track in some

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Speaker 1: of these refugee communities that have come from some of

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Speaker 1: these places where we've been conducting counter terrorism measures.

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Speaker 2: I want to know that. I want to know.

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Speaker 1: What resources when we do settle these settle folks in

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Speaker 1: these refugee communities, in these various communities that are willing

676
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Speaker 1: to take refugees, whether it's the Twin Cities with Somali,

677
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: this was Bellingham, Washington. What kind of resources are we

678
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Speaker 1: going back, are we checking in? Are we making sure

679
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Speaker 1: these folks are able to assimilate to our culture as

680
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Speaker 1: best they can, navigate our culture as best they can?

681
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Speaker 1: You know, how are we helping to integrate them?

682
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Speaker 2: What does that look like?

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Speaker 1: So I hope it's say, you know, I hope our

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Speaker 1: Congress looks at this in a sort of three hundred

685
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Speaker 1: and sixty degrees rather than just look looking for the

686
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Speaker 1: easiest path here, and the easiest path here is let's

687
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Speaker 1: go vetting Afghanis and kick all immigrants out of the country, right,

688
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Speaker 1: don't let anymore asylum seekers in.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: That that kind of obviously isn't it's sort of go.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if we want to live in

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Speaker 1: a free country, you know, living in a free country

693
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Speaker 1: means there's you know, if you want to live in

694
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Speaker 1: a less free country, we can have people constantly harassed, invented. Right,

695
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Speaker 1: what's the line that we want to have of having

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Speaker 1: our own freedom and privacy and having security. Right, you

697
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Speaker 1: can have you can guarantee security, but it takes away freedom.

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Speaker 1: So what's that line that you're willing to do?

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Speaker 2: And we don't.

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Speaker 1: We don't always have that whole conversation, you know, I

701
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Speaker 1: always say that's why, That's why God invented libertarians to

702
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Speaker 1: force us to have those conversations. Next question comes from

703
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Speaker 1: Chris C and he writes, love the longer podcast form.

704
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: It feels like I actually learned something. Oh, I appreciate it,

705
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: unlike the up and fire style of most news shows.

706
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Speaker 1: As a Washington State grad go Koog's, I can't help

707
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Speaker 1: but feel like college football is totally broken.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I think about you guys all the time. I think

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Speaker 1: it drives me nuts. Well, let me finish your question.

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00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: Between realignment and il chaos, coaching turnover, and players constantly transferring,

712
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Speaker 1: it's getting harder for fans to say connected. Maybe it's

713
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: just my Pacific Northwest perspective, but something feels like it

714
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Speaker 1: has to give before the sport loses its core appeal.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris, this is what frustrates me about. First

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Speaker 1: of all, they're obviously college football has to you know,

717
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: we need a commissioner, right There needs to be somebody

718
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: looking out for the sport, not entities looking out for

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Speaker 1: universities and conferences. Right in theory, that's what they president

720
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Speaker 1: of the NCAA could have been should have been that

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00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: ship sailed and that ship shalled decades ago. I think

722
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Speaker 1: Charlie Baker could be a terrific overseer of all this.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the NCAA has no power over FBS football.

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Speaker 1: They have some power over to Vision two and Division

725
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Speaker 1: one f FCS Division one Double A, they have no

726
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Speaker 1: power over over that. Now, imagine if Congress said conferences,

727
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Speaker 1: you know what that that you know, Congress intervenes, and

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Speaker 1: I do think your concerns. I do think this is

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Speaker 1: begging for congressional intervention. And that's the thing, right, the

730
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Speaker 1: beauty of a representative democracy is you have a Congressman

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Speaker 1: in Spokane who is seen that not you know, there

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Speaker 1: was you know, just willy nilly, the Big Ten, USC

733
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Speaker 1: and Oregon got into bed together, YadA, YadA, YadA. Suddenly

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Speaker 1: Washington State can't compete on the highest level for college football?

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Speaker 1: Why why is there burier entry suddenly higher because of

736
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Speaker 1: a decision that USC made, a decision that Oregon made,

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Speaker 1: and a decision that the Big Ten made. And I

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Speaker 1: guess we could say Oregon would have stayed had Washington stay, right,

739
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, I know a couple of versions of that backstory.

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Speaker 1: But the point is I've long thought that the strength

741
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Speaker 1: of college football and why college football was different, and

742
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: I always thought kind of better than the NFL. I mean,

743
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: trust me, the game itself is great in the NFL,

744
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. But what the beauty of college

745
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: football is. It felt like more people had more teams.

746
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Speaker 1: You know, there was sort of it just was it

747
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: was both more local and more accessible. And so yeah,

748
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand people would show up in Spokane to see

749
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Speaker 1: to see Washington State and Ryan Leaf play in a

750
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Speaker 1: game that gets into the Rose Bowl. You know, I'm

751
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Speaker 1: old enough to remember Mike Leach having a lot of

752
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: fun as the coach of Washington State. Spokane is a

753
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Speaker 1: great market for college football. The advantage of college football

754
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Speaker 1: over the NFL is the NFL probably couldn't support a

755
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: team and spoken, but college football can't. Right, The NFL

756
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: can't support a team in a team in is it

757
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Speaker 1: Beaverton or Corvallis. Excuse me, Corvallis, Oregon. But college football

758
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: can Tallahassee, Florida, Tuscaloose, Alabama, Oxford, Mississippi, Fayetteville, Arkansas, Champagne, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: You see where I'm going here. That's what's so great

760
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Speaker 1: about college football, and frankly, the advantage that college football has,

761
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: right they have more markets where they have more devoted

762
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Speaker 1: fans in a variety of ways. And instead the powers

763
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Speaker 1: that be and the and the greed that's there with

764
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: with with what the conference has done is that it's

765
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: every conference for themselves and they're trying to hoard the value.

766
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Speaker 1: They're hoarding players, they're holding hoarding TV money, and the

767
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: irony is what it doing is. And this is where

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Speaker 1: I love this guy. I think his name's Cody Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This is the.

770
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Speaker 1: Gentleman that's won the Sugar Daddy for the Texas Tech

771
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: football team. But too he's the one that's been running

772
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: these ads about about the old broadcast media rate. He's

773
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Speaker 1: basically trying to get the TV negotiate to have all

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Speaker 1: college football programs in Division one and FBS pool their

775
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Speaker 1: TV rights together and it be negotiated as one right,

776
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Speaker 1: just like the NFL negotiates as one and NBC gets

777
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Speaker 1: a piece of the NFL, CBS gets a piece, Fox

778
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: gets a piece, Amazon gets a piece, Netflix gets a piece, etc.

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Speaker 1: And if college football did it that way, well, the

780
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Washington State could get more TV revenue if it was

781
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Speaker 1: in the same negotiation pool of money as Oregon, Ohio

782
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Speaker 1: State and Alabama and Notre Dame, and it's one entity,

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00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: and certainly yes and all these different media entities would

784
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: get a piece of the action. But what you would

785
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: have is you would actually have more revenue coming in.

786
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Speaker 1: You'd probably get collectively more money the more you spliced

787
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: it up. And instead, the SEC negotiates and then ESPN

788
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: plays them off of and then of course they're willing

789
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: to pay a premium for the SEC. So they're going

790
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: to try to cheap out on what they'll pay the

791
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Speaker 1: American Conference or what they'll pay the ACC, or they'll

792
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: lock the ACC into this long term deal because they

793
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: realize because you know, they pulled one over on the

794
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: ACC commissioner who didn't realize how quickly the valuation of

795
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: these media rights were going to grow, and ESPN was

796
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: going to be sitting with a bargain while they spent

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00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: the money they saved from paying the ACC to go

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00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: ahead and pay the SEC. So look, I hate this.

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Speaker 1: What really frustrates me is that there's a simple solution.

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Speaker 1: Pull all the TV money together, and I promise you

801
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: everybody would have more money. Every program would have more

802
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: money than they have right now coming from TV revenue,

803
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: every single one, And that would and then I think

804
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: you would have the best of both worlds. You'd get

805
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: relevant college football back and Spokane and Greg Sanktye and

806
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: the SEC would has still have a whole bunch of

807
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: cash to jump into, like Donald Duck jumping into his

808
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: vat of money back in the old cartoon days. All right,

809
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: Next question, it's anonymous, but from a Notre Dame fan.

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00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: With Trump's approval ratings continuing to slip and the midterms

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Speaker 1: looking more and more bleak for Republicans, do you think

812
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: we will start to see some justices of the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court announced their retirement. Thanks and go Irish. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those who thinks Notre Dame in Miami

815
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: both should be in the playoff Oklahoma and Alabama should

816
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: be the ones fighting for the last stop. But I will,

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Speaker 1: I will, I will digress. I one hundred percent believe this.

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Speaker 1: I think that I will be shocked if Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 1: is a Supreme Court justice in twenty twenty seven. I

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00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: think given the current political environment, and frankly, if I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be you know, I'm going to play political

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00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: strategists for Republicans in the White House. I would love

823
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: nothing more to fire up the Republican base than to

824
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: have a open, have a Supreme Court justice debate and

825
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: to be able to sort of soak up sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially if this is going to be not

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Speaker 1: the best economic environment, not the best foreign policy environment,

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Speaker 1: not the best moral and ethical environment, having you know,

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Speaker 1: to go back to a sort of a core, having

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Speaker 1: a fighting for somebody to be a Supreme Court justice,

831
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: hoping that it, you know, bates the laft into going,

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00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, sort of picking a fight that showcases parts

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Speaker 1: of the left that are less popular with swing voters.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons. Oh, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: age of Thomas. But do you want to risk a

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Speaker 1: Democratic Senate coming in in twenty seven, right? You know,

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Speaker 1: the chances of that are about if you believe the

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00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: political markets, the prediction market's about one and three chance

839
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Speaker 1: that that's going to happen. So if you want to

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00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: guarantee this advantage that you currently have in the Supreme Court,

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00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: this you know, this is the calendar year twenty twenty six,

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00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: particularly the first essentially six months, so I think this

843
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: is a really smart question. I wish you'd put your

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Speaker 1: name in there. I'm going to give you extra credit

845
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Speaker 1: because I think you have your spot on and you know,

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00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: both Thomas and Alito are in the in the in

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Speaker 1: the retirement zone. I think Thomas is more likely to

848
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: do this. Alito, I think, really enjoys the job, so

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00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be harder to pry to

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Speaker 1: convince to do this.

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Speaker 2: I think Clarence Thomas will be.

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Speaker 1: Perfectly happy getting into his RV and driving around the

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Speaker 1: country to be if he thinks he can be semi anonymous,

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Speaker 1: which I think you might enjoy that. So now I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry I haven't thought about this, but I think you're

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00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: onto something. And again you're remaining nameless, but extra credit.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the great nugget.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Chase Carmichael Little Rock, Arkansas. Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: you and Sarah Essker recently said that dismantling political parties

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Speaker 1: has actually increased partisanship, which sounds backwards from here in

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Speaker 1: Red state country, where everything still feels very party driven.

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Speaker 1: Can you walk us through how weaker parties lead to

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Speaker 1: stronger partisans If you take this one, I'm declaring myself

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Speaker 1: the charter member of the ash Chuck five Timers Club.

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Speaker 2: And yes I'm buying a jacket.

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Speaker 1: I love it. And yes we've taken this question. So congratulations,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Ashchuck five Timers Club. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till my friend Sarah Esker.

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Speaker 2: Becomes in five timer.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm go back to I Meet the Press

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Speaker 1: podcasting days. I think we're up to She's been on

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Speaker 1: three times, so I appreciate you asking this so that

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Speaker 1: we could clarify. So here's what we mean by weaker parties.

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Speaker 1: So when McCain fine Gold passed, this was the Bipartisan

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Speaker 1: Campaign finance Reform. It's the biggest reform it made was

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Speaker 1: limiting the amount of money political parties could raise in

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Speaker 1: large chunks. Okay, it was called soft money. Back then

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Speaker 1: you'll hear references to soft money and hard money. And

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Speaker 1: hard money means you can essentially coordinate with campaigns and candidates.

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Speaker 1: Soft money you can't spend directly on candidate advocacy, but

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Speaker 1: you can spend it on like operations. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can spend it on get out the vote.

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Speaker 2: Costs. You can spend it on office supply.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, I mean early, you know, anything other than direct

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Speaker 1: advocacy for the candidate. And so when the when the

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Speaker 1: parties were so here's here's why it turned out to

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Speaker 1: weaken the parties when you were when you're a candidate

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Speaker 1: running for office, and look, I understand what you're saying

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Speaker 1: in Arkansas and that if you're in this, look, parties have.

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Speaker 1: The more local a political party is, there are places

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Speaker 1: where it is still strong because you've got to go

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Speaker 1: through the party if you want to maybe get ballot access,

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Speaker 1: or you've got to go through the local party if

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Speaker 1: you want to you know, get make sure you're getting

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Speaker 1: invited to all the key you know, because some of

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Speaker 1: these are you know, you've got to talk to the

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Speaker 1: super advocates, activists and the super voters in a local community.

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Speaker 1: So parties certainly have. I mean, I think about the county.

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Speaker 1: I live in Arlington County. The Arlington County Democrats, UH

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Speaker 1: are are a pretty powerful local entity, sometimes behaving a

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Speaker 1: little small, d undemocratic and some of their aggressive tactics.

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Speaker 1: But the point is the party is if you want

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Speaker 1: to run for local office and you want to be

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Speaker 1: on the county board, you try to go around the party,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a hard time. Well, the national parties

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Speaker 1: had that kind of hold for a long time before

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Speaker 1: the passage of McCain. Fine, Goald, this is one of

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Speaker 1: those where good intentions. So when you're a Senate Canader,

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Speaker 1: a presidential candidate and you needed money, you had to

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Speaker 1: go through the party. So what does that mean, Well,

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Speaker 1: that gives the party leverage over you. So take Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's attack on John McCain and writes previous at the

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Speaker 1: time was chairman of the RNC, and he denounced Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump for that, and he said that republic you know,

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Speaker 1: John McCain's a publicly in good standing. You know, if

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump knew he had to go through the party

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Speaker 1: in order to get, you know, access to donors and

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Speaker 1: get these things, the party could say, you know, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to fund your candidacy. And if you

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Speaker 1: could get funded and you had to your reliance was

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Speaker 1: unfunding or volunteers was through the party, and the party

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Speaker 1: was not going to help you, then you've essentially been

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Speaker 1: purged by the party. Right, Yes, you can go around,

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Speaker 1: but it's much harder to run third party. It's much

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Speaker 1: harder to get on a ballot in a place where

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Speaker 1: the party controls access to the ballot and things like that.

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Speaker 1: And when they took away the biggest thing that the

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Speaker 1: parties had to offer candidates money and access to it,

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Speaker 1: when it became where the candidates themselves, where essentially could

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Speaker 1: go find their own essentially build their own political parties, right,

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Speaker 1: find their own sugar daddy. We call them super PACs now.

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Speaker 1: But that's essentially what happened. So it doesn't change like

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Speaker 1: we you know, it's still the red versus the blue,

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Speaker 1: but it weakened parties. I mean, it is the strangest

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Speaker 1: conundrum to me. Right, we've were more polarized today, right,

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Speaker 1: And as part of it is because our politics is

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Speaker 1: very negative, meaning you're constantly being told who you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: vote for. Nobody's being nobody really is running for officing

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Speaker 1: what they want to do for you. Instead they're running

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Speaker 1: for office telling you what that other person's going to

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Speaker 1: you know, screw how that other person's going to screw you.

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Speaker 1: So it created you know, we're sort of negative. We

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Speaker 1: have negative partisanship where people don't like the two parties

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Speaker 1: but they but they're really devoted.

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Speaker 2: To not liking one of the two parties, right, and

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Speaker 2: that's there there.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like bizarro Superman, right, you have Superman, Bizarro Superman.

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Speaker 1: You're on the bizarro You're a bizarro Democrat. You're not

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Speaker 1: pro Democrat, you're just anti Republican. You're a bizarro Republican.

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Speaker 1: You're not pro Republican, you're just anti Democrat.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we've become.

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Speaker 1: But taking money away from the party as an institution

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Speaker 1: or as an organization where you had to go through

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Speaker 1: the party to get access to ballot and it gave

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Speaker 1: the party the ability to essentially keep the David Dukes

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Speaker 1: out or keep the the Lindon Laruschi's out right. And

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Speaker 1: every once in a while those those people did sneak in,

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Speaker 1: But for the most part, that is what's allowed party,

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Speaker 1: what it allowed parties to do that, and that's what

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Speaker 1: I love that my college football rants have have have

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Speaker 1: seeped into enough of my little ecosystem here that I

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Speaker 1: feel like almost every question that we get has I'm

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00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: reference to college football these days. So obviously I expressed

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Speaker 1: before my frustration and anger at the ACC because ultimately

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe the position that the ACC finds them in,

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Speaker 1: and as a is somebody who's a supporter, a donor,

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Speaker 1: a booster of the University of Miami Athletic department. I am, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting all my cards out there.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 1: I've loved them since I was a kid. I've my

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00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: daughter is going to be a graduating scene, so I yeah,

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Speaker 1: I am, and.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I write checks. Okay, I I am. I am

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Speaker 2: a booster.

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Speaker 1: I am not a I'm for those of you that

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Speaker 1: know Miami football, I'm not Nevian Shapiro level booster.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 1: A middle class booster. Uh in the in that world

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Speaker 1: so I consider myself though a shareholder.

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Speaker 2: This is the way I would look at it.

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00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: I feel that kind of I feel like I have

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Speaker 1: some and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm sure other

1013
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: people who support their support college, their favorite college football

1014
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: program may feel the same way. And I'm just appalled

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Speaker 1: at the treatment the ACC has given its members. It

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Speaker 1: is I think the ACC's lack of you know, they

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Speaker 1: didn't just not support Florida State when Florida State got

1018
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Speaker 1: jobbed by ESPN two years ago, and.

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Speaker 2: I love there was this y're in.

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Speaker 1: The there's a question about whether Old miss should be

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Speaker 1: dropped out of the playoffs since they lost their head

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Speaker 1: coach and Lane Kiffin, and the chairman of the committee said, well,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a data point. We can't see how

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Speaker 1: they play. Yeah, because they're not going to play another

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Speaker 1: GA unless they play in the playoff. Well, Florida State

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Speaker 1: played two games one both of their games without their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But they said, well even though they won, and we

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Speaker 1: still don't think they can be competitive. It was look,

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Speaker 1: I know what they were worried about. They were worried

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Speaker 1: that Florida State was actually going to beat Michigan in

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Speaker 1: a game that was nine to seven because the Florida

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01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: State defense was so good and the Michigan defense was

1033
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: so good that it wasn't gonna be very entertaining, and

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Speaker 1: that if they ended up winning, they probably wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: able to keep up with the Georgia or keep up

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Speaker 1: with And I think that was the other the other

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Speaker 1: team in that one. Oh they did, they took Alabama

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Speaker 1: in Texas instead of Florida State. But you know it

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Speaker 1: is the ACC did really barely lifted a finger in

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Speaker 1: defending that with Florida State. And remember, everybody in the

1041
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: conference gets a piece of this postseason Bowl money. So

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Speaker 1: the ACC really this is why I hold the leadership

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Speaker 1: so account. I mean, look, no offense to do by

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Speaker 1: the way, I love man ideas, I know him a

1045
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: little bit, I think the way that I hate the

1046
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: way he was a show the door down in Miami.

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Speaker 1: He basically, you know, and so I know he is

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Speaker 1: you know, he loves the karma that he got to

1049
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Speaker 1: the ACC title game before Crystal Ball did. But basically,

1050
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Speaker 1: all these donors said they weren't going to donate money

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Speaker 1: if many Diaz was a coach, but they would donate

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Speaker 1: money if Mario Cristo Baal was the coach. So it's

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Speaker 1: just I hated the way that that happened. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to see that there's real money now being invested in

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Speaker 1: this football program.

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Speaker 2: There hasn't been for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: So but I've been torn about it because I think

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Speaker 1: many Diaz is a good dude. I think he loves

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Speaker 1: that university. I know he loves you know, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I felt I felt my own little connection. You know,

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Speaker 1: I are about the same age we both grew up,

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Speaker 1: you know. Our our love for the nursery of Miami

1063
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: was sort of kate because we were we were of

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01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: that age when we were kids growing up in Miami.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know him growing up, but I did. I

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Speaker 1: always felt a bit of a bond with him. So

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm personally really happy for Manidaz And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm small ailing for him because I know

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Speaker 1: he's you know, there's a there's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: you know, how do you like me now? Type of

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Speaker 1: mindset there. So I don't want to denigrate Duke's football program,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to denigrate.

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Speaker 2: Duke's football program. They have no they have.

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Speaker 1: No business being in this game. And I think deep

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Speaker 1: down inside manadiez No's they have no business being in

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Speaker 1: this game. Now, look, the rules are the rules, and

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Speaker 1: the ridiculous tiebreakers that the conference decided to create to

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Speaker 1: deal with their seventeen teams and their conference is.

1079
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: What it was. Well, what are you thinking?

1080
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: You had an opportunity to have your two ten and

1081
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: two teams face off in here, but you created a

1082
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: convoluted system where your overall strength of schedule, your non

1083
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: conference schedule, has no impact over in a tiebreaker situation.

1084
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: That's just stupid. It really is stupid. And I have

1085
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: to tell you if the ACC ends up getting completely

1086
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: shut out of the college Football Playoff because Duke wins

1087
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: this game and then James Madison and Tulane both end

1088
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: up in the playoff, because it's the five highest ranked

1089
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: conference champions, there's no guarantee for the Power four conferences.

1090
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: The assumption was all the Power four conferences would have

1091
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: somebody that would be in that top five. Remember last year,

1092
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: Clemson didn't get the buy the five conference champions. The

1093
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: buys went to the four highest ranked conference champions in

1094
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: Boise State, I believe got the buy, not Clemson, right

1095
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: because Clemson shouldn't have been in there. That's another one

1096
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: for they're weird tiebreaker situation. Last year's the two highest

1097
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: ranked ACC teams were Miami and SMU. They should have

1098
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: faced off, but they created a system that a lot.

1099
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: And what I want to say to the ACC is,

1100
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: do you want to make your members any money? Do

1101
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: you want to have to stop ESPN screwing you all

1102
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: the time with its coverage of the SEC versus how

1103
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: they treat you as a business partner. And that's what

1104
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't get and I have to tell you. I

1105
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: think there's a strong argument to be made that Miami,

1106
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: Florida State, SMU, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech to

1107
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: say we're out. Maybe I'd bring a Georgia Tech in

1108
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: Atlanta and Callen Stanford. I go and just get out

1109
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: of the s ACC. Form your own sort of negotiate

1110
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: your own TV contract. There's other TV contracts out there.

1111
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: I think you can get a.

1112
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: Better deal.

1113
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: Each Each school would get more money than what they're

1114
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: getting out of there because you wouldn't have to have

1115
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: the the you know, the the weaker football programs that

1116
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: don't generate much revenue from the for the ACC and

1117
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: just get out of the ACC because the ACC is

1118
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: not looking. Miami can't sustain being a major power in

1119
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: football stuck in the ACC. They either have to get

1120
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: out and become an independent again, go join one of

1121
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: the two major conferences, or see if there's a third

1122
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: way here. Because it's clear and less you know that

1123
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: unless nless the university asency ACC realize that they have

1124
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: that this has been a catastrophic failure of leadership by

1125
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: the conference. Just catastrophic costing every school millions of dollars.

1126
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: That's the thing here. This is not just angry fan

1127
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: Chuck Todd here, I'm looking. This is a financial thing.

1128
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: This is hurting the bottom line. This is costing every

1129
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: member of the conference money and that trickles down. It's

1130
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: going to hurt in your ability to compete for players.

1131
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: It's going to hurt your ability to convince players to

1132
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: come if they be getting into the college football playoff matters.

1133
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: None of it is helpful, and I'd like to see

1134
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: a little little bit more urgency from the university presidents

1135
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: of the of the football programs that care in the ACEC.

1136
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem. It's only about half

1137
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: the conference that does the other half doesn't give a shit,

1138
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: which is why you know there isn't more anger at

1139
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: at the leader of the at the commissioner of the ACEC.

1140
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: But that's got to change. Now let's go to the rankings.

1141
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: I you know, the perception of the SEC versus the

1142
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: reality the SEC really frustrates me. Oklahoma, I mean, oklahw

1143
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: and Alabama are just being automatically assumed to be you know,

1144
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: there they are their locks, but Notre Dame in Miami less,

1145
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: So what's the what? Where where is Alabama? They've played

1146
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: one good half of football, the first half against Georgia.

1147
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: They almost pissed that game away. I think they scored

1148
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: three points the entire second half of that game, or

1149
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: maybe zero if memory serves. Let's just say I'm I'm

1150
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: hoping for a two or three score Georgia win on

1151
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: this one. If I think, if they expose Alabama for

1152
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: being who they've mostly been, which is kind of a

1153
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: more like they were last year. You know, they've shown

1154
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: flashes of being a good playoff caliber team, but not

1155
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: that many. But again, they carry a brand name Oklahoma.

1156
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: My god, all right, look, they've got some good wins,

1157
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: right it? But who wants to watch that putrid offense,

1158
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of like Miami last year, the

1159
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, the best on the field. You know, the

1160
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: best argument against Miami was, yeah, they have a great offense,

1161
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: they don't have a championship defense. So if they're on

1162
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: the bubble, no, well, that to me is Oklahoma. They

1163
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: have a championship defense, but they don't have a championship offense.

1164
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: And it's not even close, and they're you know there

1165
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: may might win a game, but you know, depending on

1166
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: a matchup, that's it. So if you're gonna hold Miami

1167
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: to account like that, that's the way Oklahoma should be

1168
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: held to account. But they've got their magical victory against Alabama,

1169
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: and it's like pay no attention, you know, you know,

1170
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: it's like a Jedi mind trick, right, just like Alabama

1171
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: has this victor over Georgia and it's like never mind

1172
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: the Jedi mind trick. And then there's this total like

1173
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: perception that the ACC is garbage. Well this garbage conference.

1174
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech was one score game, had a chance to

1175
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: win that game. Last five minutes of the fourth quarter

1176
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: against Georgia, Louisville blows out Kentucky a team that took

1177
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: Texas to overtime, you had Clemson whipping South Carolina. You've

1178
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: had If you compare Miami in Alabama, they have one

1179
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: common opponent, Florida State. Miami b Florida State. Alabama lost

1180
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: Florida State. So it is frustrating to me that it

1181
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: is Miami and Notre Dame that are in this sort

1182
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: of shootout with each other when realistically they both probably belong.

1183
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: And in fact, you want to know the single highest

1184
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: rated first round game you would have in the playoff.

1185
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if this truly is a TV show and

1186
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: ESPN executives are just thinking about ratings, how about an

1187
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: eight to nine matchup of Notre Dame at Miami at

1188
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,799
Speaker 1: South Bend and let's settle it. Let's settle this debate

1189
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: right here and there. Now, the possibility of that, I

1190
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: think is very very low. It does appear that. Look,

1191
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: if Alabama and BYU get blown out, you know, both

1192
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: lose by two or more scores. I think there's a

1193
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: scenario that both Miami and Notre Dame get in.

1194
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 2: But that's in.

1195
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: That's I think that's that's a long shot. Now, if

1196
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: you tell me that Notre Dame and Miami are ranked

1197
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: right next to each other. Let's say Alabama gets blown

1198
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: out and it's it's Notre Dame at ten Miami at eleven,

1199
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: or they're back to back, and.

1200
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 2: Let's say Duke does win.

1201
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: That game and they're not going to make the playoff,

1202
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: and and ACC is going to get shut out, and

1203
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: and they're leaving Miami on the cutting room floor and

1204
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: taking Notre Dame. I think that's going I actually think

1205
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: that won't happen, right. I think that there's a So

1206
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm optimistic Mimai's go to make the playoff,

1207
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: but I think the chances are about one. I saw

1208
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: the odds are sort of five to one. I think

1209
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: the odd should be about three to one because I

1210
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: think under you know, shoot, if I'm not I'm not

1211
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: convinced that if BYU beats Texas Tech, that Texas Tech

1212
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: is a playoff team. I know some people are, so

1213
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: I think regardless, I think if the loser of the

1214
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: Big twelve game has a shot at not making it

1215
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: the playoff at all, it all depends, I think, on

1216
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: the margin of Georgia and Alabama. So I'm I am

1217
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated. I don't know what these what this committee

1218
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: is watching. I think if you set the precedent that

1219
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: that head to head doesn't matter, then what the hell

1220
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: are we doing? It will make scheduling interconference games that

1221
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: much harder if you make these head to heads not

1222
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: only not matter as a positive, but end up like

1223
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: it feels like it's a negative. Right, you risk a

1224
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: loss where the loss could punish you, but the wind

1225
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: doesn't get you anything. I mean, this is the logic

1226
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: of the college Football Playoff Committee just drives me nuts.

1227
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: The idea that a loss matters more than a win,

1228
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: because basically, in all of these scenarios, when they're differentiating

1229
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: these teams, they're trying to make the case, well, this

1230
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: is a better loss. Your losses are crappier than their losses. Well,

1231
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: you know this is like I rolled my eyes when

1232
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: the rationale the guy gave for Alabama for Alabama getting

1233
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: moved ahead of Notre Dame was boy, they were in

1234
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: a tough rivalry game on the road against Auburn. Well,

1235
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: you know what frustrates me is Mimi just gets you know,

1236
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: their two losses are just getting well, they just lost

1237
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: to a couple of medio gracc teams. Well, maybe what

1238
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: you don't know is that the Louisville game is a

1239
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: freaking trophy game, all right. And it's a trophy because

1240
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: Louisville wanted to make a trophy game. It's for the

1241
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: Howard Schnellenberger Trophy because Howard Snellenberger coach both teams. Well, look,

1242
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: Miami doesn't, Miami does not see Louisville's arrival.

1243
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 2: Louisville.

1244
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: Literally, Miami is the second most important football program they

1245
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: play after Kentucky. And I would bet that the Louisville

1246
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: football partisans would say the Miami game means more to them.

1247
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: They lobbied the ACC to make Miami one.

1248
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 2: Of their every year opponents.

1249
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: That's how important Miami is this to Louisville's status. So

1250
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: sorry if you don't think much of the ACC. But

1251
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,560
Speaker 1: Louisville cared so much about that game. They put everything.

1252
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: You know, half their season was devoted to trying to

1253
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: win the Miami game. Did it with SMU, So you know,

1254
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna look, Miami should have won

1255
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: both games. They blew it, Okay, they absolutely blew it.

1256
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: But if you're going to sit here and rationalize all

1257
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: these other you know, oh boy, the SEC and these

1258
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: tough games, and boy boy Texas A and m good

1259
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: for them for pulling out a game against South Carolina

1260
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: team that loses to Clemson, who's one of you know,

1261
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: a mid level sort of you know, wasn't even good

1262
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: enough to tie Duke in the conference in the conference standings.

1263
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: That it's this is because we have created this perception

1264
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: that whatever happens in the SEC is amazing, and if

1265
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: the same things happen in other conferences is proof that

1266
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 1: that conference is weak. But when it happens in the SEC,

1267
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: it's proof that the SEC is tough. It's just a

1268
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: bunch of nonsense. And when you're not a member of

1269
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: the and every one of my friends who are SEC people,

1270
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: they all drink this SEC kool aid, and you're just like, Okay,

1271
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: you know what, Miami just went on the road beat

1272
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: Pitt in cold weather. Yeah, often Miami's done that. I

1273
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: can't remember them ever playing a game that well in

1274
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: that cold weather.

1275
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: But did this.

1276
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: Committee think that was an impressive showing.

1277
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: Anyway?

1278
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a bunch of bias bullshit. This

1279
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: committee is not using metrics. They're they're sort of And

1280
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: that's another thing. Right, if they didn't rank any of

1281
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: these teams at all all year long, and the first

1282
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: ranking they put together was the one going into this week,

1283
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: I promise you Oklahoma is not in the top ten

1284
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: because when you look at Oklahoma into totality and you

1285
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: compare them. But the problem is they release these rankings

1286
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: every week, and in some ways they're stuck with the

1287
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: ranking that they initially give. When you realize the body

1288
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: of work, the longer you go, you're like, Oklahoma's not

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: a top ten team. They have a record, good for them,

1290
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: but they're not a top ten team, and it's you.

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01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: It's just this whole thing sucks, and it sucks. And

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: the only thing the reason I complain about it so

1293
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 1: much is there is a pattern that win in doubt,

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: this committee screws the acc They did it in twenty three,

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01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: they did it in twenty four, and it looks like

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01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: they're going to do it again in twenty five. And

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01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to see somebody, whether it's university presidents or

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: somebody else, stand up and demand some accountability from.

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01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: The leadership of the ACCI.

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01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: Now should be a fun weekend of college football champions Championships.

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01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: I can't.

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: I actually think Friday is going to be amazing. I

1303
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch Tulane in North Texas get ready

1304
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: to be fully entertained.

1305
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm pulling.

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01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: I got more of my son's friends are at Tulane

1307
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: and my daughter's friends are Tulane, so we're Toulane advocates

1308
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: in this house. I couldn't be a bigger Georgia Bulldog fan,

1309
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: so let's go Georgia Bulldogs over Alabama. I think I'm

1310
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: rooting for Texas Tech. I don't or it may not

1311
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: matter if it's if b YU or Texas Tech wins,

1312
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: as long as whoever wins wins by margin. I don't

1313
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: think what Mimy could afford as a close game, and

1314
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: considering what this committee is doing and the big disappointment

1315
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: for me, and by the way, there's a part of

1316
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: me that is pulling for Duke to win this championship game.

1317
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 1: At this point, I know it's better for the conference

1318
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: if to guarantee a spot in the playoff for UVA

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: to win, And I got friends that love their who's

1320
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but I kind of want the

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: leadership of the ACC to have to eat this shit sandwich.

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: So and you know there's something like I said, I'm

1323
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: happy for Manny Das that he gets this, that he's

1324
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: having this moment considering the uncomfortable way that I think

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01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: and the kind of shoddy way that I think the

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01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: University of Miami forced him out the door. So the

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01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: big thing I wish the Ohio State Indiana game meant

1328
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: something like, we should be more excited about this game

1329
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: than any game all season long. It's one versus two,

1330
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: undefeated versus undefeated, But honestly, do you put everything you

1331
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: need to in that game knowing that you have the

1332
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: playoff coming up? So this is a reminder. I have

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01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: a new idea. I think these conference championship games shouldn't

1334
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: go to the top if you're going to be in

1335
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: the playoff. We should instead go ahead and keep the

1336
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: conference titles, but match up your bubble teams, right, So

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01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: let's put Alabama and Oklahoma and the SEC title game.

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01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: Let's put Miami and UVA and the ACC title game.

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01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 1: Let's put USC and I guess you would say Oregon

1340
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten title game, right, like you do

1341
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: it so that it is the bubble teams, you get

1342
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: to either play your way in, and winning the conference

1343
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: means you don't have to play that.

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01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: Extra conference championship game. Just a thought. We certainly got

1345
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: to do something about those championship games. All right.

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the weekend. I really want to

1347
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: enjoy the game on the field. I am petrified of

1348
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: noon on Sunday when we hear what the ESPN Invitational

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01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: Committee decides to do. But with that, have a great weekend.