Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tiger's podcast. I am Kieren
Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always as a man who has
Speaker 1: vinyl in his shoes because he's always on the record,
Speaker 1: he is Cody Stavenhagen.
Speaker 2: How are we doing right, Kieren?
Speaker 1: We're back at it, back at it and look, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like I keep in my head, I keep trying to
Speaker 1: come up with like new little phrases for this team,
Speaker 1: like you know, to replace like gritty Tigs, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just like a fun little exercise and it
Speaker 1: changes like game the game. And for Thursday night, the
Speaker 1: one that I came up with was the the play
Speaker 1: it out Tigs because that's really what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Which was so much less exciting, even though it's spot.
Speaker 1: On fair enough, but that's really what everything that this team,
Speaker 1: the conversation comes down to, is play it out or
Speaker 1: potentially not play it out. But like today was a
Speaker 1: game like play it out, like Meltain's on the mound,
Speaker 1: doesn't have his best stuff, gives up the two running
Speaker 1: home late and then it's like, man, are you really
Speaker 1: about to put up a blank spot in this game,
Speaker 1: and then James Autman Cody James Outman with a three
Speaker 1: run bomb to give him the lead, game gets tied,
Speaker 1: and high a League gets a single, gets the second
Speaker 1: Dingler delivers.
Speaker 3: It's a four to three win for the Tigers.
Speaker 1: Like five and two says the All Star Break twenty
Speaker 1: seven and sixteen, since June one, play it.
Speaker 3: Out, Cody, like like, can we play it out? Can
Speaker 3: we play it out?
Speaker 2: Well, they're going to play it out. They're going to
Speaker 2: play all the games like they will play them out.
Speaker 2: There were so many things that were typical Tigers. I
Speaker 2: told someone before the game, like Randy Dobnak, this guy
Speaker 2: who was in their system last year and it was
Speaker 2: terrible and it seemed like he'd be out of baseball,
Speaker 2: and now he resurfaced and he's doing all right. And
Speaker 2: a few outings like this seems like someone who's just
Speaker 2: gonna shut him down, And sure enough he did for
Speaker 2: five innings, Randy Tomnack, and then they came alive. Then
Speaker 2: it's James Outman popping a random three run home or
Speaker 2: just like how you lead did the night before, And
Speaker 2: I actually love Yeah, barely got out, but I actually
Speaker 2: love when the contributions are coming from kind of all
Speaker 2: over the place. That's what I think good teams do.
Speaker 2: That's what the Tigers for the good parts of last
Speaker 2: year did. It was it was unexpected, guys, it was surprises.
Speaker 2: You haven't had any surprises this year. How you lead
Speaker 2: is maybe becoming one of them, James Outman, the scoreboard
Speaker 2: numbers aren't great, but man, he's done some productive things
Speaker 2: for this ball club, and none bigger than tonight, of course.
Speaker 2: And then you hand the lead right back. Seemed very Tigers.
Speaker 2: You're both wild pitch, a guy's advancing to third, boom,
Speaker 2: he scores off Drew Anderson and but kind of unlike
Speaker 2: the Tigers of May, they're they're finding ways to win
Speaker 2: some games too. Out it's two strike hits, those things
Speaker 2: that I don't know if you can really explain, but
Speaker 2: it just seems like more things are going their way,
Speaker 2: and suddenly they're becoming a fun team again, which is
Speaker 2: which is good to say because it hasn't been like
Speaker 2: that for so long.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying about, Like it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to explain, but like, at the same time, the
Speaker 1: simple explanation is they are a good team right now,
Speaker 1: Like they just are a good team. They're not a
Speaker 1: great team. You can argue about World Series contenders, whether
Speaker 1: it's good enough to come out of the whole blah
Speaker 1: blahlah blah.
Speaker 3: But this is.
Speaker 1: Certainly a large enough sample size with that June one
Speaker 1: date and with all the stat metrics and where they
Speaker 1: rank in Major League Baseball to say this is a
Speaker 1: good team. And one step further, because I actually think
Speaker 1: this is probably more crucial, is that this is a
Speaker 1: well functioning team, which we did not see for a
Speaker 1: good portion of this season prior to June one. It
Speaker 1: just did just did not look like a well oiled machine.
Speaker 1: I think I used that phrase in different varieties a
Speaker 1: lot on this podcast. And you're right about having contributions
Speaker 1: from guys like Outman and then again even Lee like that,
Speaker 1: like that go ahead run does not happened without him
Speaker 1: getting a single up the middle and then having you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it resulted in out, but just like the
Speaker 1: right kind of out that Lee is able to advance
Speaker 1: to second and it's not a double play type situation
Speaker 1: when Riley Green grounds out the second base and it's
Speaker 1: like all those little things you know, hell, even let's
Speaker 1: go to the first inning. Well, the drop thirst stright.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this before? You've watched a lot
Speaker 1: of baseball. I've watched a lot of baseball, even though
Speaker 1: we're not old men.
Speaker 2: I think i've Yeah, I've seen it in high school.
Speaker 2: Certainly not in the major leagues. I've not seen that.
Speaker 2: I think it's happened twice in the last five years.
Speaker 2: We looked it up after the game, and I think
Speaker 2: the okay, the other one was like there was something
Speaker 2: very some variation where it still wasn't quite the same play.
Speaker 2: So no, pretty rare to have a drop third strike,
Speaker 2: two to one put out at the plate to end
Speaker 2: an inning. Dylan Dingler, by the way, did not even
Speaker 2: know the batter swung, so he didn't know what happened.
Speaker 2: He goes to get the ball through at home, sees
Speaker 2: Melton not tag him and is like wow, and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, he was out. Okay, So that actually explains
Speaker 2: why why the play went down the way it did.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, because even Bobby Scales on the radio was
Speaker 1: was saying like, why don't you just throw.
Speaker 2: The first Melton like I should have been yelling one.
Speaker 2: I don't really know why I wasn't that was a
Speaker 2: mistake even though he made this great like athletic play.
Speaker 1: Yeah first, yeah, and you know, and and potentially dangerous
Speaker 1: play for a lot of people involved him with the
Speaker 1: jump and the you know come down and then obviously
Speaker 1: with the runner there like that, you know things right.
Speaker 2: I don't want to speak this into existence, but if
Speaker 2: it were may Trey Meltan probably his ankle taken out
Speaker 2: on that play or something, but it's things are going much.
Speaker 3: Better, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And then and I should note like in terms of
Speaker 1: like the small things and the well functioning things that
Speaker 1: are going on with his team is also like the
Speaker 1: last you know play of the game. And I'll quote
Speaker 1: Bobby Scales again a level listening to Bobby on the radio,
Speaker 1: the slowest six three one double play I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's.
Speaker 3: How you get out of a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of you know, that wasn't great theory either. Good things
Speaker 2: sell these Uh. He's on the Victor Martinez program here,
Speaker 2: just trying to squeak by for a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which and and and like you combine, like we
Speaker 1: know where the royals are at and obviously they're they're down.
Speaker 1: You know, Bobby what Junior on the I l for
Speaker 1: the first time in his career. Like we we understand
Speaker 1: all of this, but this is coming off the heels
Speaker 1: of a victory in Chicago against the Cups. So like
Speaker 1: we combine everything here. That's why I say, like this
Speaker 1: is a good team. The Cubs have won three straight
Speaker 1: series Cody to that, prior to that Tiger series and
Speaker 1: you know prime Time like all these like elements here,
Speaker 1: Torquet's a bomb, Like these are the elements of good teams.
Speaker 3: And that and that.
Speaker 1: Thought percolating around my mind is what probably gives me
Speaker 1: like the greatest level of angst regarding the next whatever
Speaker 1: two weeks or whatever is because like I do believe
Speaker 1: this is a good team. I do believe that this
Speaker 1: is a team that you can throw in the mix
Speaker 1: and kind of see what happens with anybody in the
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Speaker 3: That's uh.
Speaker 1: That would be the lead in a lot of and
Speaker 1: a lot of other days, Cody, but today was not
Speaker 1: every other day. And of course it has to do
Speaker 1: with Tarek Schoogl. And of course it has to do
Speaker 1: with Trek Schoogle trying to like explain what his life
Speaker 1: has been like. And I think we've done a good
Speaker 1: job of going in depth. I think you have done
Speaker 1: a good job of writing about it. It was your
Speaker 1: story that was percolating around the baseball world today and
Speaker 1: then and then Trek Schoogle came out and addressed I
Speaker 1: guess I would say misnomers that came about by people
Speaker 1: who didn't feel the need to fully grasp the situation.
Speaker 1: I think that'd be the nice way of me putting it,
Speaker 1: So I guess if you could just kind of take
Speaker 1: us through the reaction that you got from the story,
Speaker 1: which obviously had a lot of good information in it,
Speaker 1: and then sort of like watching Schoogle in the clubhouse
Speaker 1: kind of explain further things that I guess didn't, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, need to be explained all that much further,
Speaker 1: but apparently they did, so like take us in that
Speaker 1: scene because it's it's polarizing either way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, I don't know. Trek Schoogle said a
Speaker 2: lot today, Trek school has said a lot in recent times.
Speaker 2: I guess I guess we'll just kind of go in
Speaker 2: order here. One of the first things he said, someone
Speaker 2: just asked him point blank, like would you prefer to
Speaker 2: be traded or not? And he said no. He said,
Speaker 2: I think we have a chance to win the World Series.
Speaker 2: I've said that since spring training. That's never changed. That
Speaker 2: belief in this team has never changed throughout the whole season.
Speaker 2: He seemed to make sure to include going into bring
Speaker 2: training the whole off season. I've never been more motivated
Speaker 2: to try to win a World Series for this city,
Speaker 2: the team that drafted me in twenty eighteen and helped
Speaker 2: develop me. Of course, all this was coming off the story.
Speaker 2: For anyone who didn't listen to our last episode, I
Speaker 2: wrote a long story about Trek school and kind of
Speaker 2: this juncture in his life and what it is like
Speaker 2: when you kind of achieve what you've always dreamed of
Speaker 2: and worked very hard for, which is being at the
Speaker 2: top of air craft, the top of your sport. Everyone's
Speaker 2: talking about you. You're the center of attention, and kind
Speaker 2: of the costs and the drawbacks that come with that.
Speaker 2: Over the course of the conversation I had with Trek
Speaker 2: for that story, he mentioned the fact that he probably
Speaker 2: would have gotten an MRI in January when he knew
Speaker 2: something was wrong with his arm. But Trek said there
Speaker 2: were also other factors in play. I was going through arbitration,
Speaker 2: the decision by the organization to take me to court.
Speaker 2: I think that probably had some impact subcontinent, so as
Speaker 2: we kind of knew, that quote took on a life
Speaker 2: of its own, which is really funny because if you
Speaker 2: read the story, I kind of went to great links
Speaker 2: to frame it a certain way, and all this firestorm
Speaker 2: did was reinforce the point of the whole story, which
Speaker 2: is that everything Google says or does becomes this huge thing,
Speaker 2: and that's got to be a weird thing as a
Speaker 2: human being to navigate. I would assume a lot of
Speaker 2: people who probably just saw the quotes and didn't actually
Speaker 2: read the whole story. But of course, when ninety seven
Speaker 2: one gets a hold of it, and then social media
Speaker 2: gets ahold of it, these things happen. I wasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: surprised by that, so of course, you know, the reaction
Speaker 2: was not good. It seemed like the tone I saw
Speaker 2: the most was people kind of saying, well, that was
Speaker 2: greedy or selfish of Scooble to withhold information from the
Speaker 2: team that he was hurt just so he could make
Speaker 2: more money in arbitration. And I think Scooble definitely took
Speaker 2: exception to that based on some of his quotes Thursday,
Speaker 2: he referred to the thing being blown up, blown out proportion.
Speaker 2: He said, things people say about me just aren't true.
Speaker 2: To be clear, I did talk to Terrek a little
Speaker 2: bit one on one, and I'm going to keep most
Speaker 2: of that between us, but he wasn't really upset with
Speaker 2: me or the story. It was definitely more toward the
Speaker 2: public reaction. I think the idea that he was being
Speaker 2: self interested. This is another thing he did kind of
Speaker 2: want to clarify the reason he didn't get an MRI.
Speaker 2: He thought he was trending in the right direction, which
Speaker 2: makes sense, like he was still throwing, he was starting
Speaker 2: games in spring training. He went through with the WBC.
Speaker 2: As much of a fiasco as that was, he still
Speaker 2: pitched in it. He pitched games in the regular season,
Speaker 2: so he didn't, you know, he thought things were getting
Speaker 2: better up until the point that they weren't. So that's
Speaker 2: kind of what happened there. And this is another one
Speaker 2: that kind of baffles me. Like again, I wasn't really
Speaker 2: surprised that people reacted strongly to the quote, but I
Speaker 2: think everyone might benefit a little more by putting yourself
Speaker 2: in Trek Scooble's shoes. It's it's January. You're up for
Speaker 2: a big promotion at work. You're up for a big
Speaker 2: raise you really like. I don't know if someone told me, hey,
Speaker 2: you might not be able to write for six weeks,
Speaker 2: you know, if something's wrong with your wrist, and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't really like that. You know, you're working on a
Speaker 2: big project with your company, your teammates that you care
Speaker 2: about and you love and some feels a little bit
Speaker 2: wrong in your body, but you think you can probably
Speaker 2: push through it. You think you're gonna be okay. That's
Speaker 2: basically what Trek Scoogle did, and I think that's personally
Speaker 2: probably what I would have done in a situation with
Speaker 2: his stakes. Sure, the money is a part of it.
Speaker 2: I do think the Tigers are part of it too.
Speaker 2: You're trying to pitch, you're trying to make your maybe
Speaker 2: it's your last hurrah in Detroit, whatever. You have a
Speaker 2: good team trying to win the World Series. For some reason,
Speaker 2: that point is lost, and I do think, you know,
Speaker 2: Trek felt like that. It's kind of common sense that
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons he didn't get the MRI,
Speaker 2: mostly because he didn't feel like he had to, And
Speaker 2: of course there were all these other factors swirling in
Speaker 2: the background. So we can talk about that a little
Speaker 2: more if you have any questions, Kieran. But the other thing,
Speaker 2: of course, he said, because it is Derek in every interview,
Speaker 2: is interesting. Someone asked, you know, did that arbitration hearing
Speaker 2: change your relationship with the front office for better for worse?
Speaker 2: Derek said, of course, when you take a player to arbitration.
Speaker 2: There's not a ton of positive things that come out
Speaker 2: of that process. Relationship wise, that's pretty obvious. He said.
Speaker 2: His relationship with the coaching staff, the players, his teammates,
Speaker 2: that didn't really change. He says, as far as going
Speaker 2: through that process and sitting in that room, you guys
Speaker 2: should go experience that for yourselves. So again, kind of
Speaker 2: common sense, kind of obvious. Players don't like to be
Speaker 2: taken to arbitration. That can cause some hard feelings. However,
Speaker 2: most players don't say that out out loud. School Bole
Speaker 2: finally said that out loud, seems like obviously there is
Speaker 2: still some weird feelings regarding the Tiger's front office.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in regards to the arbitration piece of this, uh,
Speaker 1: that one did stick out to me partially because the
Speaker 1: Tigers really tried to frame the entire thing as them
Speaker 1: just kind of going through the like essentially riding.
Speaker 3: The company line.
Speaker 1: They portrayed it as we, you know, we we we
Speaker 1: did not argue against school bl We just argued with
Speaker 1: precedent like that was. That was the public position that
Speaker 1: they maintained and agree with it, disagree with it whatever.
Speaker 1: If school Bol feels the need to say that then
Speaker 1: that means that that whole thing was not portray to
Speaker 1: the extent that it could have been in order to
Speaker 1: uh have the whole like no real hard feelings aspect
Speaker 1: of it, especially when.
Speaker 2: To be clear, that was a weird one too, because
Speaker 2: it seemed like neither side was very interested in negotiating,
Speaker 2: including Schooble side. Yeah, so like I.
Speaker 1: Like school, they were acting. Both sides were acting their
Speaker 1: own interests, which is what arbitration is. And like obviously
Speaker 1: schoogl and Boris Code knew that this was a you know,
Speaker 1: literally a big ass literally the biggest ask of like
Speaker 1: all time, right, so like like this, like I feel
Speaker 1: disappointed that that is still lingering in general because I
Speaker 1: was under the impression that that was just kind of
Speaker 1: like kind of business as usual type deal. But having
Speaker 1: said that, I understand where he's talking talking about with
Speaker 1: arbitration feeling, because like that whole thing is we love you,
Speaker 1: but we don't love you this much.
Speaker 2: Like that's that's that have to pay you more than
Speaker 2: David Price eleven years ago or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like like the very nature of it and
Speaker 1: and it's it's literally a it's not public but like
Speaker 1: a more like more parties involved, setting of here's why
Speaker 1: you're not worth what you think you're worth like that, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, normally this is just happens between agent and
Speaker 1: front office and not really a whole lot kind of
Speaker 1: percolates out of that. But because it goes to arbitration,
Speaker 1: because more people are involved, because you're Trek schoobl and
Speaker 1: you're the you know, best picture in baseball, Like this
Speaker 1: thing gets blown up really high, more so than it
Speaker 1: normally would be. So like I empathize and like obviously
Speaker 1: agree with his logic there, but I just wish that
Speaker 1: tells me that there was a error in communication about
Speaker 1: how this went down. If the fact that this is
Speaker 1: lingering now and it's you know, late July. But regardless, uh,
Speaker 1: I understand it affecting him. I understand him wanting to
Speaker 1: push through because look, like I don't know, like tak
Speaker 1: School has very recently been criticized for not pushing through enough, right,
Speaker 1: not demanding to stay in the game.
Speaker 3: When aj Hinch comes to the mound, you know, like
Speaker 3: he's not pushing hard enough.
Speaker 1: And this whole elbow thing was literally an example of
Speaker 1: him trying to push through, right, and and and and
Speaker 1: then and and and and kind of figure it out
Speaker 1: on the fly, because like he just had an experience,
Speaker 1: he says it all the time. I just hadn't experienced
Speaker 1: anything like that. He No one thought there was anything
Speaker 1: largely wrong with him prior to the MRI, prior to
Speaker 1: the diagnosis and all this stuff, right, So like that
Speaker 1: like there's no there's no malice here, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he wasn't like, oh, it'd be better
Speaker 1: for me to like miss time in my contract year.
Speaker 1: That would that would be that would be good for
Speaker 1: my reputation and you know, my asking price here in
Speaker 1: a couple months or in free agency. So I hate
Speaker 1: the fact that anything that even remotely goes in that
Speaker 1: direction is characterized by Terrek Schouble because, as I've said repeatedly,
Speaker 1: it just seems like a separation from reality that it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to even get to that bridge. And
Speaker 1: no matter how many times he explains it, and no
Speaker 1: matter how many times you and your fellow media members
Speaker 1: articulate it, well, it just kind of seems like there
Speaker 1: are people that are kind of predisposed right now to
Speaker 1: look at Terrek Schooble through a lesser light, and that.
Speaker 2: Is I think there are a lot of people kind
Speaker 2: of looking for confirmation, bias, right whatever. For some reason,
Speaker 2: they've got an idea of Schooble in their head, and
Speaker 2: so when they see something that can confirm the picture
Speaker 2: they have in their head, they take it and they
Speaker 2: run with it. As I kind of tried to write about,
Speaker 2: that's a weird part of modern fame and modern existence
Speaker 2: and not something I'm sure it really existed before the
Speaker 2: social media era. So like that's where we're at now.
Speaker 2: It is interesting now, it's one thing after another. How
Speaker 2: to credit he keeps he keeps showing up, he keeps
Speaker 2: answering the questions, he keeps answering them quite honestly, probably
Speaker 2: to a fault. So we want honesty and we want transparency,
Speaker 2: but then when people get it, it gets used against them,
Speaker 2: which is why a lot of athletes, a lot of celebrities,
Speaker 2: a lot of public figures aren't honest and aren't accessible
Speaker 2: and just stay boring stuff all the time. So I
Speaker 2: obviously appreciate Scoobl's interactions, but it does seem like he's
Speaker 2: twisted himself in some knots, Like maybe he's just trying
Speaker 2: to explain things and think if he keeps explaining it,
Speaker 2: it will get people on his side. At this point
Speaker 2: in Detroit because he's likely leaving the Tigers either via
Speaker 2: trade or eventually via free agency. I don't think people
Speaker 2: want to hear it anymore. And I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of get that from the perspective of a fan,
Speaker 2: but I think there's a very strange thing in sports
Speaker 2: where people lose all empathy and humanity, like when when
Speaker 2: they when they are sports fans, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on with this whole situation.
Speaker 1: I want I want athletes to be authentic. I want
Speaker 1: athletes to to to to be able to talk to
Speaker 1: you guys in the clubhouse and you know, come on
Speaker 1: podcasts and you know all these things. I want them
Speaker 1: to not be cookie cutter. And Trek Skoogle is not
Speaker 1: cookie cutter, and so I hope that that that he
Speaker 1: never changes in that regard because that in so many
Speaker 1: ways he is refreshing his story, his style, and then
Speaker 1: just kind of the way he carries himself is the
Speaker 1: embodiment of really what is probably like kind of the
Speaker 1: best type of high profile athlete that we have in
Speaker 1: maybe an old sports certainly in baseball and I don't
Speaker 1: want I don't want I don't want to lose that.
Speaker 1: So so it's kind of parlay at Fuward. You mentioned
Speaker 1: that at the top about how you know he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be traded, and we've talked.
Speaker 3: About this before. He believes they can win the World
Speaker 3: Series and you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: He do you believe him when he says that he
Speaker 1: believes they can win the World Series because that if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about consistency, that has been a
Speaker 1: consistent message throughout And again he's not saying this when
Speaker 1: the Tigers are sixteen and twenty seven since the June
Speaker 1: one date. There are twenty seven and sixteen and five
Speaker 1: and two since the All Star Game. So these are
Speaker 1: actual tangible things that like, I believe, I believe him
Speaker 1: when he says that because of A how he is
Speaker 1: and B how the team is playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does remind me of you know, Nick, another
Speaker 2: athletes who was probably honest to a fault, Nick Cassianos,
Speaker 2: And in twenty nineteen someone asked Nick a similar question,
Speaker 2: and Nick being Nick, basically said, well, like, what do
Speaker 2: you want me to say? I say anything other than no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be traded and the headline is
Speaker 2: going to be Castianos wants to trade, so like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's Trek school is supposed to say? But I do know,
Speaker 2: I do think he believes that to some degree, because hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: this team is pretty good, and especially with Trek Scooble
Speaker 2: and this pitching staff, they have a rotation capable of
Speaker 2: giving teams real fits. Now, it's obviously a long shot.
Speaker 2: It's against the odds. And someone even said, you know,
Speaker 2: the odds say if you were traded somewhere else, you'd
Speaker 2: probably have a better chance to win the World Series?
Speaker 2: Is that alluring to you? And Schoogle said, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I believe the odds. And you know,
Speaker 2: I was on a team that had zero zero point
Speaker 2: two percent playoff odds and we made the playoffs. But
Speaker 2: YadA YadA. Like no, I think I mostly believe him.
Speaker 2: I think he's kind of kind of mostly saying the
Speaker 2: correct things to say here. But I don't think it's
Speaker 2: completely unfounded. Like I've said before, I don't think he's
Speaker 2: like going home and telling his wife and kids, Hey, like,
Speaker 2: I really hope I get traded so that you guys
Speaker 2: can have to move and we'll live out of a
Speaker 2: hotel for a couple of months, or that I won't
Speaker 2: see you guys for a couple of months, or that
Speaker 2: you know, I won't get to finish this, this kind
Speaker 2: of journey I've been on with these teammates that we
Speaker 2: came into the year, you know, thinking we were going
Speaker 2: to see it through. So they yeah, that's how I
Speaker 2: feel about that. I mostly believe it.
Speaker 1: I'll summarize it this way. If there's anybody on the
Speaker 1: team that has seen the way that they've played since
Speaker 1: June one and looks around in the clubhouse and.
Speaker 3: Sees Schoolble or if you're school bl.
Speaker 1: You see mys, you see Melton, you see the way Montero,
Speaker 1: especially the way he pitched on Wednesday. Wis not going
Speaker 1: to give him enough credit just because we don't have
Speaker 1: enough time, but he was excellent. And you see Dylan Dingler,
Speaker 1: and you see Kevin McGonagall, you see Riley Green and
Speaker 1: you and you believe in a J.
Speaker 3: Hinch. It's like, if you don't like leave.
Speaker 1: That, then then then then then then I don't really
Speaker 1: think you belong in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2: So that's actually a good point, Kieran, And maybe especially
Speaker 2: for someone with a story like Derek scouble one d
Speaker 2: one offer ninth round pick. The best athletes I've been
Speaker 2: around have delusional degrees of confidence. You pretty much have
Speaker 2: to to make it at that level. You have to
Speaker 2: actually think you're capable of doing something that other people
Speaker 2: didn't think you were capable of. And most of these
Speaker 2: guys are wired like that. They really are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so and again there's a lot.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that can happen between now and the
Speaker 1: trade deadline, but also not a lot because the games
Speaker 1: are getting fewer and fewer, but the Tigers keep winning,
Speaker 1: so we will see how that plays out. All right,
Speaker 1: we are going to get to a quick break and
Speaker 1: then afterward, did aj Hinch tell us who his core
Speaker 1: bullpen guys are these past two days? That next, But
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Speaker 3: All right, coming back here real quick about the confidence thing? Uh, Like, are.
Speaker 1: You able to gauge like Yu Lee and like his
Speaker 1: like kind of like does he feel like a more
Speaker 1: confident guy bouncing around?
Speaker 3: Because? Uh, he should? Like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Should for sure. He's basically said to his mont right,
Speaker 2: he's a little intimidated early on in the big leagues
Speaker 2: and now he's now he's not He's he's certainly playing
Speaker 2: like he belongs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, like and I and I we've
Speaker 1: talked about Lee, you know, a couple of times now,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to be too repetitive, but I
Speaker 1: will say, I do you talk about guys being themselves?
Speaker 1: I do like how his style of play has been
Speaker 1: the same throughout and you know, if you watch him
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues and and even when he was struggling,
Speaker 1: like he's played the game hard the same way consistently
Speaker 1: that that's an attractive style of play.
Speaker 3: And uh, I don't have the.
Speaker 1: Stat cast for this, Cody, but I imagine he has the
Speaker 1: highest exit ve low on the team in terms of
Speaker 1: tossing the bat after you make contact. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they I don't know if they tracked that, but
Speaker 1: it has to be has to be best on the team.
Speaker 1: So good on, Good on Lee, and good on the
Speaker 1: Tigers for for you know, for staying with him and
Speaker 1: knowing that it's in there and being rewarded. He seems
Speaker 1: like he comes up with multiple big plays every game
Speaker 1: whenever he's in there.
Speaker 3: So good on lead.
Speaker 1: All right, uh five to one win on Wednesday and
Speaker 1: a four to three win on Thursday. Things that were
Speaker 1: in common, Cody, is that on back to back days,
Speaker 1: AJ Hinch went with some combination, now not exclusively, but
Speaker 1: some combination of Drew some Drew Anderson and Kyle Finn.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: Now there's other guys in each two games. Jansen on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: wax Back and and uh Holton sorry on Thursday. But
Speaker 1: those three guys he's using each time. And AJ is
Speaker 1: the king of what do you want me to say? Like,
Speaker 1: look what I do?
Speaker 3: And and Somers came in there in a safe situation.
Speaker 3: Now he only got one out.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he was in there, I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you know on a back to back day, right, So like,
Speaker 1: is this is this kind of the core?
Speaker 3: Now? Do we have like a core three for Tiger's
Speaker 3: bullpen options?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Is that what AJ's telling us?
Speaker 2: I think if I were a J. Hinch, I would
Speaker 2: really be hoping you have a different core bullpen in
Speaker 2: about ten days. Yeah, to answer the question, kind of yes,
Speaker 2: it's worth noting Tyler Holton has seemed to rediscover something
Speaker 2: and has been very good as of late. But these
Speaker 2: are the guys he's going to because these are the
Speaker 2: guys he has. Some people like Summers have done some
Speaker 2: things to earn it, and again it's still been pretty
Speaker 2: hit or miss. So I know, I just take that
Speaker 2: immediately to I don't know, man, if the Tigers are
Speaker 2: going to be for real, if they're gonna win the
Speaker 2: World Series or make the playoffs or even stay afloat,
Speaker 2: it's bullpen still needs some patching, and that gets really interesting.
Speaker 2: Maybe the most insightful thing I've seen all week was
Speaker 2: the MLB trade rumor story that mentioned if the Tigers
Speaker 2: exceed the luxury tax, which literally they're so close to
Speaker 2: the luxury tax right now, we're not sure if they're
Speaker 2: over it or under it, because it depends what projection
Speaker 2: you go by, and none of them are perfect. Any
Speaker 2: comp pick from a qualifying offer would move from after
Speaker 2: the first round, too, is it after the fourth round.
Speaker 2: So basically that means let's say you keep every and
Speaker 2: you add a couple of relievers and you go over
Speaker 2: the luxury tax, and then Scooble walks at the end
Speaker 2: of the year and Myz walks at the end of
Speaker 2: the year. Instead of gain two comp picks after the
Speaker 2: first round, you get much less valuable draft picks. So
Speaker 2: even if you want to do the I guess if
Speaker 2: you do the thread the needle thing and you move Scooble,
Speaker 2: you'd probably be okay. But if you were at all
Speaker 2: keep Schooble and really make a run for this, I
Speaker 2: think you have to add, which I think means you
Speaker 2: might have to take away salary from elsewhere. Jack Flaherty
Speaker 2: making twenty million could certainly be a candidate there, So
Speaker 2: that could get really interesting. Is that the more I
Speaker 2: watch this, I mean, it doesn't change like you have
Speaker 2: a lot of things going for you, but to really
Speaker 2: pull this off. I think you're gonna have to feel
Speaker 2: better navigating the last three ish innings of games, and
Speaker 2: I just don't know that you have the horses to
Speaker 2: do that on a sustained basis right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the confidence meter, it's not great A lot with
Speaker 1: with the calls to the pen, I will I will
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of.
Speaker 1: You know, ads at the deadline or later in the season,
Speaker 1: this segment is called ideas that I had that got
Speaker 1: scratched because of what happened in the game. I was
Speaker 1: prepared to do a whole thing about like James Outman,
Speaker 1: is it just kind of time to.
Speaker 3: Start the Max Clark cluck.
Speaker 1: You know, he's batting, He's on a good stretch right
Speaker 1: now in July and he had a base it again today.
Speaker 3: He's hitting lefties at a good clip.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't have all the metrics in front of
Speaker 1: me in terms of velocity and like you know, and
Speaker 1: bat speed and like all this stuff, but like the
Speaker 1: counting numbers are good for Max Clark. The athlete profile
Speaker 1: is obviously there. You would believe he could play adequate
Speaker 1: center feel at the major league level. And I was like,
Speaker 1: should they just kind of replace Clark with Outman real
Speaker 1: quick and just kind of to get a spark that way.
Speaker 1: Not gonna do that conversation on data. Outman hits a
Speaker 1: go ahead home run. But the point remains is is
Speaker 1: there any thought to like a Clark being an ad
Speaker 1: to this team if they're kind of going for it,
Speaker 1: you know, in a way, because I do believe there
Speaker 1: is merit to that discussion, especially considering with a CBA up.
Speaker 3: In the air.
Speaker 1: You just just don't really know how these things are
Speaker 1: gonna play out, and maybe maybe Max could give you something,
Speaker 1: and with the team not being deep as we've seen
Speaker 1: this year, I want guys that can give me something,
Speaker 1: So like I just kind of wanted to just kind
Speaker 1: of like introduce that topic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as Max Court continues to really heat up,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting thing to talk about. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen like next week. You're gonna have Hobby
Speaker 2: Baias back shortly, and that may be you I'll be interested.
Speaker 2: Would they get rid of Outman then and have Hobby
Speaker 2: play center every day or would they value Outman enough
Speaker 2: to where they sought another solution. I'm not sure. The
Speaker 2: Clerk thing, it is funny We've talked a lot about
Speaker 2: Max Clark and kind of the imperfections, and someone had said, like,
Speaker 2: is Max Clark almost become underrated? And I kind of
Speaker 2: think that's actually pretty fair. I think we've kind of
Speaker 2: obsessed over his game so much that we forget he's
Speaker 2: a top ten Keith Lock actually just dropped him to thirteen,
Speaker 2: but he's a top thirteen prospect in the sport. This
Speaker 2: is a really good elite tier prospect who will see
Speaker 2: what the future holds. But you know, you can't ask
Speaker 2: for much more in a promising young player. His year
Speaker 2: has been a little bit up and down. He's still
Speaker 2: really young. I don't I have a hard time seeing
Speaker 2: the Tigers calling him up before, you know, the very
Speaker 2: end of August. I just don't think they're going to
Speaker 2: burn his rookie eligibility. If they're really in it and
Speaker 2: really going for it, maybe they'll bring him up. And
Speaker 2: if they're really not, maybe they'll bring them up just
Speaker 2: to let some young kids play. But it's still hard
Speaker 2: for me to see them punching that button. You know.
Speaker 2: But before then, especially given you have hobby, maybe there's
Speaker 2: a world that you could get Parker Meadows back. We
Speaker 2: don't know a ton about his status, but I think
Speaker 2: especially the presence of Hobby Bias is another option in
Speaker 2: center field, gives them incentive to continue to take things
Speaker 2: slow with mcclark.
Speaker 1: I think it's one hundred percent accurate that the Detroit
Speaker 1: fan base says like he is now underrated in terms
Speaker 1: of how he's just how he's discussed locally, and part
Speaker 1: of that is just how great Ken McGonagall has been
Speaker 1: this year and then and then you know, just having
Speaker 1: Clark and Triple A, all the injuries the center field
Speaker 1: and the Tiger's never really given that the light of
Speaker 1: day that they will call him up nationally. He is
Speaker 1: not underrated. I believe he is properly rated nationally. And
Speaker 1: I have the numbers up right now, three sixteen in
Speaker 1: the month of July with a nine to seven nine
Speaker 1: ops against lefties this year Cody two seventy nine with
Speaker 1: a seven seven seven ops. So again there's obviously more
Speaker 1: in depth numbers. I would explain things further, but you
Speaker 1: have to kind of say that he has done his
Speaker 1: job and he deserves credit for state, you know, being
Speaker 1: at stabilizing presence in Toledo and kind of like giving
Speaker 1: everybody like the idea of like what he potentially could
Speaker 1: be as he you know, probably not easy to see
Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall. Have happy for him, obviously, but not easy
Speaker 1: to see someone who's trying to get like your peer
Speaker 1: in your entire professional career and one of your good friends,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's here and you're still
Speaker 1: trying to get there.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, I just don't think it's the craziest idea.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna if we're gonna go nuts this year,
Speaker 1: that would be in the category of why not. And
Speaker 1: then also I would I would say in regards to
Speaker 1: the luxury tax threshold.
Speaker 3: Kind of sounds like a cap.
Speaker 1: So like baseball already already kind of has a cap
Speaker 1: that you know. I'm just just saying, just saying kind
Speaker 1: of already has a cap if you have that of
Speaker 1: those kind of penalties. So just wanted to just wanted
Speaker 1: to put that out there. All right, that's about it all.
Speaker 1: I have Cody, but I haven't given my trade percentage,
Speaker 1: So I'll wrap up this twenty seven percent chance has traded.
Speaker 2: It's gone down. You're wow, dramatic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's he like, look, he wants he wants
Speaker 1: to be in Detroit, so he says, and the team
Speaker 1: keeps winning. Uh, we didn't just come off a was
Speaker 1: it eleven to two or whatever loss with two position
Speaker 1: player pitchers.
Speaker 3: So I'm feeling a little bit better.
Speaker 2: You don't. You don't think Scott Harris read his comments
Speaker 2: about the arbitration thing and was filled with so much
Speaker 2: personal rage that he's just now looking to trade him
Speaker 2: for anything he can.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: If there is a personal rage version of Scott Harris
Speaker 1: and there's video available, I will pay for said video
Speaker 1: because I would love to see it. No comment, and
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