WEBVTT - The Tigers keep rolling & Tarik Skubal keeps believing 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.680 And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.920 the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tiger's podcast. I am Kieren 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.000 Steckley with me as always as a man who has 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.280 vinyl in his shoes because he's always on the record, 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:22.880 he is Cody Stavenhagen. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:24.520 How are we doing right, Kieren? 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:30.400 We're back at it, back at it and look, hey, man, 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.879 like I keep in my head, I keep trying to 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.919 come up with like new little phrases for this team, 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.280 like you know, to replace like gritty Tigs, you know, 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.239 and it's just like a fun little exercise and it 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.080 changes like game the game. And for Thursday night, the 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.040 one that I came up with was the the play 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.680 it out Tigs because that's really what we're talking about. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.520 Which was so much less exciting, even though it's spot. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:01:01.000 On fair enough, but that's really what everything that this team, 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.680 the conversation comes down to, is play it out or 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.160 potentially not play it out. But like today was a 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.399 game like play it out, like Meltain's on the mound, 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:12.959 doesn't have his best stuff, gives up the two running 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.600 home late and then it's like, man, are you really 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.720 about to put up a blank spot in this game, 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:24.000 and then James Autman Cody James Outman with a three 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.959 run bomb to give him the lead, game gets tied, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.440 and high a League gets a single, gets the second 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:31.360 Dingler delivers. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.119 It's a four to three win for the Tigers. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.840 Like five and two says the All Star Break twenty 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.920 seven and sixteen, since June one, play it. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.360 Out, Cody, like like, can we play it out? Can 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:44.040 we play it out? 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.400 Well, they're going to play it out. They're going to 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.720 play all the games like they will play them out. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.120 There were so many things that were typical Tigers. I 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.680 told someone before the game, like Randy Dobnak, this guy 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.360 who was in their system last year and it was 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.520 terrible and it seemed like he'd be out of baseball, 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.040 and now he resurfaced and he's doing all right. And 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.640 a few outings like this seems like someone who's just 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.120 gonna shut him down, And sure enough he did for 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.760 five innings, Randy Tomnack, and then they came alive. Then 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.680 it's James Outman popping a random three run home or 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.520 just like how you lead did the night before, And 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.400 I actually love Yeah, barely got out, but I actually 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.919 love when the contributions are coming from kind of all 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.960 over the place. That's what I think good teams do. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.560 That's what the Tigers for the good parts of last 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.840 year did. It was it was unexpected, guys, it was surprises. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.320 You haven't had any surprises this year. How you lead 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.120 is maybe becoming one of them, James Outman, the scoreboard 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.919 numbers aren't great, but man, he's done some productive things 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.639 for this ball club, and none bigger than tonight, of course. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.399 And then you hand the lead right back. Seemed very Tigers. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.840 You're both wild pitch, a guy's advancing to third, boom, 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.560 he scores off Drew Anderson and but kind of unlike 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.840 the Tigers of May, they're they're finding ways to win 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.600 some games too. Out it's two strike hits, those things 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.400 that I don't know if you can really explain, but 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.840 it just seems like more things are going their way, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.079 and suddenly they're becoming a fun team again, which is 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.000 which is good to say because it hasn't been like 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:15.880 that for so long. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.680 I understand what you're saying about, Like it's kind of 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.040 hard to explain, but like, at the same time, the 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.040 simple explanation is they are a good team right now, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.280 Like they just are a good team. They're not a 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.240 great team. You can argue about World Series contenders, whether 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:37.880 it's good enough to come out of the whole blah 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:38.720 blahlah blah. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:39.440 But this is. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.160 Certainly a large enough sample size with that June one 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.920 date and with all the stat metrics and where they 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.080 rank in Major League Baseball to say this is a 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.920 good team. And one step further, because I actually think 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.760 this is probably more crucial, is that this is a 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.880 well functioning team, which we did not see for a 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.360 good portion of this season prior to June one. It 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.160 just did just did not look like a well oiled machine. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.800 I think I used that phrase in different varieties a 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:13.000 lot on this podcast. And you're right about having contributions 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.840 from guys like Outman and then again even Lee like that, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.360 like that go ahead run does not happened without him 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.159 getting a single up the middle and then having you know, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.760 you know, it resulted in out, but just like the 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.400 right kind of out that Lee is able to advance 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.839 to second and it's not a double play type situation 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.160 when Riley Green grounds out the second base and it's 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.000 like all those little things you know, hell, even let's 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.560 go to the first inning. Well, the drop thirst stright. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.200 Have you ever seen this before? You've watched a lot 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.920 of baseball. I've watched a lot of baseball, even though 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:43.600 we're not old men. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.279 I think i've Yeah, I've seen it in high school. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.479 Certainly not in the major leagues. I've not seen that. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.240 I think it's happened twice in the last five years. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.920 We looked it up after the game, and I think 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.320 the okay, the other one was like there was something 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.360 very some variation where it still wasn't quite the same play. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.400 So no, pretty rare to have a drop third strike, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.360 two to one put out at the plate to end 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.960 an inning. Dylan Dingler, by the way, did not even 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.440 know the batter swung, so he didn't know what happened. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.679 He goes to get the ball through at home, sees 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.240 Melton not tag him and is like wow, and he's like, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.159 oh no, he was out. Okay, So that actually explains 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.080 why why the play went down the way it did. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.880 Okay, Yeah, because even Bobby Scales on the radio was 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.720 was saying like, why don't you just throw. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.600 The first Melton like I should have been yelling one. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.880 I don't really know why I wasn't that was a 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.200 mistake even though he made this great like athletic play. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:45.160 Yeah first, yeah, and you know, and and potentially dangerous 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:46.960 play for a lot of people involved him with the 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.480 jump and the you know come down and then obviously 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.640 with the runner there like that, you know things right. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.640 I don't want to speak this into existence, but if 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.480 it were may Trey Meltan probably his ankle taken out 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.279 on that play or something, but it's things are going much. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.200 Better, yeah, exactly. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.400 And then and I should note like in terms of 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.840 like the small things and the well functioning things that 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.520 are going on with his team is also like the 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.040 last you know play of the game. And I'll quote 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.599 Bobby Scales again a level listening to Bobby on the radio, 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.320 the slowest six three one double play I've ever seen. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:23.640 And that's and that's. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:24.920 How you get out of a little bit. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:29.000 Of you know, that wasn't great theory either. Good things 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.680 sell these Uh. He's on the Victor Martinez program here, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.080 just trying to squeak by for a little bit longer. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:41.560 Yeah, which and and and like you combine, like we 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.719 know where the royals are at and obviously they're they're down. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.560 You know, Bobby what Junior on the I l for 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.200 the first time in his career. Like we we understand 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.520 all of this, but this is coming off the heels 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.320 of a victory in Chicago against the Cups. So like 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.080 we combine everything here. That's why I say, like this 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:58.839 is a good team. The Cubs have won three straight 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.760 series Cody to that, prior to that Tiger series and 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.360 you know prime Time like all these like elements here, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.760 Torquet's a bomb, Like these are the elements of good teams. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:10.800 And that and that. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:17.680 Thought percolating around my mind is what probably gives me 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.920 like the greatest level of angst regarding the next whatever 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.920 two weeks or whatever is because like I do believe 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.560 this is a good team. 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I think you have done 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.280 a good job of writing about it. It was your 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.800 story that was percolating around the baseball world today and 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:50.320 then and then Trek Schoogle came out and addressed I 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.080 guess I would say misnomers that came about by people 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:59.000 who didn't feel the need to fully grasp the situation. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.200 I think that'd be the nice way of me putting it, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.120 So I guess if you could just kind of take 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:09.480 us through the reaction that you got from the story, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.880 which obviously had a lot of good information in it, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.880 and then sort of like watching Schoogle in the clubhouse 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:21.760 kind of explain further things that I guess didn't, in 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.640 my opinion, need to be explained all that much further, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.720 but apparently they did, so like take us in that 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.800 scene because it's it's polarizing either way. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:33.440 Yeah, oh man, I don't know. Trek Schoogle said a 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:37.520 lot today, Trek school has said a lot in recent times. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.280 I guess I guess we'll just kind of go in 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.880 order here. One of the first things he said, someone 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.360 just asked him point blank, like would you prefer to 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.400 be traded or not? And he said no. He said, 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.240 I think we have a chance to win the World Series. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.200 I've said that since spring training. That's never changed. That 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.080 belief in this team has never changed throughout the whole season. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.200 He seemed to make sure to include going into bring 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.559 training the whole off season. I've never been more motivated 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.720 to try to win a World Series for this city, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.440 the team that drafted me in twenty eighteen and helped 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:14.560 develop me. Of course, all this was coming off the story. 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.679 For anyone who didn't listen to our last episode, I 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.880 wrote a long story about Trek school and kind of 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.720 this juncture in his life and what it is like 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.040 when you kind of achieve what you've always dreamed of 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.320 and worked very hard for, which is being at the 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.800 top of air craft, the top of your sport. Everyone's 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.280 talking about you. You're the center of attention, and kind 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.680 of the costs and the drawbacks that come with that. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.040 Over the course of the conversation I had with Trek 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:45.319 for that story, he mentioned the fact that he probably 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.080 would have gotten an MRI in January when he knew 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.760 something was wrong with his arm. But Trek said there 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.720 were also other factors in play. I was going through arbitration, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.600 the decision by the organization to take me to court. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:02.400 I think that probably had some impact subcontinent, so as 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.160 we kind of knew, that quote took on a life 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.160 of its own, which is really funny because if you 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.760 read the story, I kind of went to great links 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.920 to frame it a certain way, and all this firestorm 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.120 did was reinforce the point of the whole story, which 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.520 is that everything Google says or does becomes this huge thing, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.599 and that's got to be a weird thing as a 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.240 human being to navigate. I would assume a lot of 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.000 people who probably just saw the quotes and didn't actually 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.080 read the whole story. But of course, when ninety seven 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.120 one gets a hold of it, and then social media 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.839 gets ahold of it, these things happen. I wasn't necessarily 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:45.600 surprised by that, so of course, you know, the reaction 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.839 was not good. It seemed like the tone I saw 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.760 the most was people kind of saying, well, that was 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:56.680 greedy or selfish of Scooble to withhold information from the 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.679 team that he was hurt just so he could make 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:04.120 more money in arbitration. And I think Scooble definitely took 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.320 exception to that based on some of his quotes Thursday, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.040 he referred to the thing being blown up, blown out proportion. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.120 He said, things people say about me just aren't true. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.040 To be clear, I did talk to Terrek a little 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.040 bit one on one, and I'm going to keep most 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.160 of that between us, but he wasn't really upset with 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.520 me or the story. It was definitely more toward the 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.320 public reaction. I think the idea that he was being 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.600 self interested. This is another thing he did kind of 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.440 want to clarify the reason he didn't get an MRI. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.640 He thought he was trending in the right direction, which 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.840 makes sense, like he was still throwing, he was starting 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.480 games in spring training. He went through with the WBC. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.600 As much of a fiasco as that was, he still 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.600 pitched in it. He pitched games in the regular season, 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.480 so he didn't, you know, he thought things were getting 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.080 better up until the point that they weren't. So that's 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.080 kind of what happened there. And this is another one 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.000 that kind of baffles me. Like again, I wasn't really 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.920 surprised that people reacted strongly to the quote, but I 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.400 think everyone might benefit a little more by putting yourself 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:14.200 in Trek Scooble's shoes. It's it's January. You're up for 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.640 a big promotion at work. You're up for a big 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.960 raise you really like. I don't know if someone told me, hey, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.880 you might not be able to write for six weeks, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.280 you know, if something's wrong with your wrist, and I 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.720 wouldn't really like that. You know, you're working on a 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.840 big project with your company, your teammates that you care 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.760 about and you love and some feels a little bit 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.600 wrong in your body, but you think you can probably 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.240 push through it. You think you're gonna be okay. That's 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.280 basically what Trek Scoogle did, and I think that's personally 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.360 probably what I would have done in a situation with 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.080 his stakes. Sure, the money is a part of it. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.080 I do think the Tigers are part of it too. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.640 You're trying to pitch, you're trying to make your maybe 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.200 it's your last hurrah in Detroit, whatever. You have a 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.200 good team trying to win the World Series. For some reason, 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.240 that point is lost, and I do think, you know, 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.040 Trek felt like that. It's kind of common sense that 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.720 that's one of the reasons he didn't get the MRI, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.680 mostly because he didn't feel like he had to, And 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.200 of course there were all these other factors swirling in 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.200 the background. So we can talk about that a little 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.200 more if you have any questions, Kieran. But the other thing, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.760 of course, he said, because it is Derek in every interview, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.480 is interesting. Someone asked, you know, did that arbitration hearing 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:37.320 change your relationship with the front office for better for worse? 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.400 Derek said, of course, when you take a player to arbitration. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.840 There's not a ton of positive things that come out 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:47.520 of that process. Relationship wise, that's pretty obvious. He said. 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.720 His relationship with the coaching staff, the players, his teammates, 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.840 that didn't really change. He says, as far as going 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.400 through that process and sitting in that room, you guys 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.640 should go experience that for yourselves. So again, kind of 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.200 common sense, kind of obvious. Players don't like to be 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.240 taken to arbitration. That can cause some hard feelings. However, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.800 most players don't say that out out loud. School Bole 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.600 finally said that out loud, seems like obviously there is 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:17.160 still some weird feelings regarding the Tiger's front office. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:20.720 Yeah. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.920 So in regards to the arbitration piece of this, uh, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.120 that one did stick out to me partially because the 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.720 Tigers really tried to frame the entire thing as them 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.960 just kind of going through the like essentially riding. 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.600 The company line. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.920 They portrayed it as we, you know, we we we 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.640 did not argue against school bl We just argued with 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.560 precedent like that was. That was the public position that 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:53.080 they maintained and agree with it, disagree with it whatever. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.320 If school Bol feels the need to say that then 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.320 that means that that whole thing was not portray to 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.280 the extent that it could have been in order to 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.480 uh have the whole like no real hard feelings aspect 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.399 of it, especially when. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.600 To be clear, that was a weird one too, because 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.800 it seemed like neither side was very interested in negotiating, 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.080 including Schooble side. Yeah, so like I. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.239 Like school, they were acting. Both sides were acting their 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.800 own interests, which is what arbitration is. And like obviously 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.439 schoogl and Boris Code knew that this was a you know, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.479 literally a big ass literally the biggest ask of like 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.639 all time, right, so like like this, like I feel 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:39.040 disappointed that that is still lingering in general because I 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.800 was under the impression that that was just kind of 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.879 like kind of business as usual type deal. But having 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.000 said that, I understand where he's talking talking about with 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:57.160 arbitration feeling, because like that whole thing is we love you, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.520 but we don't love you this much. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.439 Like that's that's that have to pay you more than 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.199 David Price eleven years ago or whatever it was. 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.200 Yeah, So like like the very nature of it and 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.760 and it's it's literally a it's not public but like 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:18.160 a more like more parties involved, setting of here's why 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.479 you're not worth what you think you're worth like that, Like, 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.399 you know, normally this is just happens between agent and 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.560 front office and not really a whole lot kind of 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.400 percolates out of that. But because it goes to arbitration, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:34.359 because more people are involved, because you're Trek schoobl and 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.639 you're the you know, best picture in baseball, Like this 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.720 thing gets blown up really high, more so than it 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:45.040 normally would be. So like I empathize and like obviously 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.159 agree with his logic there, but I just wish that 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.600 tells me that there was a error in communication about 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.840 how this went down. If the fact that this is 0:18:54.119 --> 0:19:00.359 lingering now and it's you know, late July. But regardless, uh, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.800 I understand it affecting him. I understand him wanting to 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:08.680 push through because look, like I don't know, like tak 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:14.000 School has very recently been criticized for not pushing through enough, right, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.400 not demanding to stay in the game. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.560 When aj Hinch comes to the mound, you know, like 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:19.920 he's not pushing hard enough. 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:24.280 And this whole elbow thing was literally an example of 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:29.240 him trying to push through, right, and and and and 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.520 then and and and and kind of figure it out 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.000 on the fly, because like he just had an experience, 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.120 he says it all the time. I just hadn't experienced 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.520 anything like that. He No one thought there was anything 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.600 largely wrong with him prior to the MRI, prior to 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.960 the diagnosis and all this stuff, right, So like that 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.760 like there's no there's no malice here, you know what 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.200 I mean, Like he wasn't like, oh, it'd be better 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.440 for me to like miss time in my contract year. 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:58.840 That would that would be that would be good for 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.560 my reputation and you know, my asking price here in 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.920 a couple months or in free agency. So I hate 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.679 the fact that anything that even remotely goes in that 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:13.840 direction is characterized by Terrek Schouble because, as I've said repeatedly, 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.040 it just seems like a separation from reality that it's 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.040 hard for me to even get to that bridge. And 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.600 no matter how many times he explains it, and no 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.960 matter how many times you and your fellow media members 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.480 articulate it, well, it just kind of seems like there 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:34.159 are people that are kind of predisposed right now to 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.000 look at Terrek Schooble through a lesser light, and that. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.240 Is I think there are a lot of people kind 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.480 of looking for confirmation, bias, right whatever. For some reason, 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.359 they've got an idea of Schooble in their head, and 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.480 so when they see something that can confirm the picture 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.720 they have in their head, they take it and they 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.440 run with it. As I kind of tried to write about, 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.639 that's a weird part of modern fame and modern existence 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.639 and not something I'm sure it really existed before the 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.800 social media era. So like that's where we're at now. 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.280 It is interesting now, it's one thing after another. How 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.000 to credit he keeps he keeps showing up, he keeps 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.960 answering the questions, he keeps answering them quite honestly, probably 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.560 to a fault. So we want honesty and we want transparency, 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.199 but then when people get it, it gets used against them, 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.160