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Speaker 1: of months. Garbage and defecation. Yes, well, the whole chaos,

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Speaker 1: an anarchy. Who'll call them feral human beings? It was

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Speaker 1: a moistline caller. What a wisdom, that's what they are.

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Speaker 1: They've become feral human beings. I do believe when you're

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Speaker 1: out in the wild like that long enough, it makes

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Speaker 1: you even crazier and you start it, does you start

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Speaker 1: living the way wild animals live. Yes, And some of

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Speaker 1: these people are probably too far gone. You can't put

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Speaker 1: them in a house now. It's like Lord of the Flies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that kind of idea. So you know that that that

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Speaker 1: this this housing first crowd is completely discredited. It's and

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Speaker 1: that's the best campaign. That's what she's doing. Well, so

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Speaker 1: she wins. This is not going to change. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think Caruso would take a more measured approach trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out what to do. Meanwhile, on the subject of

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Speaker 1: the vagrance, Oh here's a goodie, they've arrested a transient.

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Speaker 1: Jack Stanley Seprisch, forty three years old, on suspicion of

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Speaker 1: setting nearly a dozen fires in Sonoma County. Nice, of course.

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Speaker 1: The only thing you know, if you listen to our

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Speaker 1: trafficers trunkfi morning, midday, and afternoon, there's a homeless encampment

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Speaker 1: fire somewhere. But what this guy did, and we're talking

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Speaker 1: about up in the woods where these fires can really

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Speaker 1: take off. You should see his booking photo. Holy mackerel,

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00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: talk about disheveled. That's what I'm saying. You could spot

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Speaker 1: these guys on the street. You know when when when

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Speaker 1: I take over, I'm just gonna take all the weirdo

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Speaker 1: guys and take them off the street before they start

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Speaker 1: the fires. You look at him, you know they're insane.

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Speaker 1: You know they're gonna do something damaging. They started off

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Speaker 1: investigating him for burglarizing a home, but I guess when

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Speaker 1: they looked further into his activities they connected him to

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Speaker 1: at least ten separate brush fires. Doesn't say in the

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Speaker 1: story if any of them became real infernos, but it's

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Speaker 1: always possible because Sonoma County had its share of horrible fires.

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Speaker 1: All right, We got more coming up. John and Ken

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Speaker 1: Show caffeine by coming up at five oh five. It'll

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Speaker 1: be our last conversation before the vote on Tuesday from

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Speaker 1: the Sacramento District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert, who would like

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Speaker 1: to be her next California Attorney General. She is our

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Speaker 1: easy pick for that post. It's our voter guide at

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Speaker 1: kf I AM six forty dot com, the John and

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Speaker 1: Kent page. She is running as a no party preference candidate,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting because the incumbent Attorney general's name is

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Speaker 1: Rob Banta has been running ads trying to push people

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Speaker 1: towards a Republican that's on the ballot, not Anne Marie Schubert,

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Speaker 1: in the hopes that that would be he who he's

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Speaker 1: in the runoff with, leading us to believe that maybe

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Speaker 1: some of his polling tells us that if Anne Marie

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Speaker 1: Schubert's is an opponent in December November, rather, it may

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Speaker 1: not be good for She's She's a strong candidate. She's

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Speaker 1: really really strong recommendation for her, and you know, Banta

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Speaker 1: is kind of a kind of a Wheenie. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: Waeni's Scott Wiener, Remember Scott Winer, the Democratic state senator

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Speaker 1: from San Francisco. One of John's all time favorite politicians.

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Speaker 1: Before that, it was Mark Leno's. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: he went. He's particularly destructive. He's that vegan face guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Vegan face guy is really close now to getting the

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Speaker 1: full legislature in Sacramento to pass the bill that creates

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Speaker 1: sites where people could legally use drugs. Supervisors would be

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Speaker 1: there to make sure they don't die from an overdose.

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Speaker 1: This that the name idea. He is so destructive, He

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Speaker 1: is so obsessed with all the worst elements in society

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Speaker 1: and giving them comfortable homes in public places, public spaces

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Speaker 1: that that's a public space that's for everybody else. The

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Speaker 1: parallels to the homeless problem are pretty clear. This passed

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Speaker 1: the Public Safety Committee in the Assembly yesterday five to two.

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Speaker 1: This is what they approve of, right. They wouldn't approve

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Speaker 1: of the bill we talked about recently. They would do

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Speaker 1: something to the fentinel dealers who are killing kids. But

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Speaker 1: they're okay with the druggies injecting themselves. So as we

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Speaker 1: stand by to save them, why don't they want this?

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Speaker 1: I mean well, Wiener said, there has not been a

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Speaker 1: single overdose death in the supervised sites. But here was

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Speaker 1: the counter argument, which I thought was a good one,

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Speaker 1: which brings us back to the homeless problem. Apparently, when

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Speaker 1: you open these injection sites, you know what happens. It

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Speaker 1: brings the druggies and they start setting up camp around

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Speaker 1: the drug injection sites, and according to reports, that's where

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Speaker 1: people are dying of overdoses. Okay, it's one of these

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Speaker 1: things where you're enabling, just like the homeless canter. But

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Speaker 1: they opened up these sanctioned homeless camps and what's been happening,

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Speaker 1: like over in Venice is a bunch of little mini

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Speaker 1: homeless camps were opening up all around. But they know this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's being deceptive on purpose by saying they're not dying

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Speaker 1: at the injection site, but they're dying what a half

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Speaker 1: a block away? Three tens? He ignores that? Why? But

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Speaker 1: why does he ignore it? What is in it for him?

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Speaker 1: This movement to get people more addicted and die in

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Speaker 1: their tents, and we're gonna have Is this gonna be

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Speaker 1: taxpayer funded? Are these gonna be government employees helping people

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Speaker 1: worse than their addictions so that they could die sooner?

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Speaker 1: The bill approves a pilot program for Los Angeles, Oakland,

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Speaker 1: and San Francisco, And yes, I do believe it would

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Speaker 1: be staffed by people paid through the government, would I

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Speaker 1: would assume, so it would be probably contracted out. And

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Speaker 1: and so they're gonna, they're gonna they're gonna take like

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Speaker 1: a neighborhood that filled with homeless people in drug addicts,

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Speaker 1: and they make it worse. I mean, they're doing that.

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Speaker 1: There might be one in a skid row in downtown

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Speaker 1: LA that would probably be the perfect place for a

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Speaker 1: safe injection site. They've been doing this in the Tenderloin

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Speaker 1: district in San Francisco, and it's attracted even more drug

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Speaker 1: addicts and homeless people, and hardly anybody's been helped. There

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Speaker 1: was a story in the Daily Mail. I've thousands and

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Speaker 1: thousands of people are now passing through this open air

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Speaker 1: drug mark and that the government had some kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, facility there and they only help seventeen people

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Speaker 1: out of the thousands. So and they know this. See

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They're consciously they may have their

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Speaker 1: talking points and their slogans, but they they're creating a

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Speaker 1: society where people are getting addicted to these horrific drugs

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Speaker 1: and dying. Let's help them along. Well, that's that's evil,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Well, No, they think they're going to save

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Speaker 1: their lives, but they don't. But they know they don't.

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Speaker 1: They're dying in the tents. It's called giving up. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the safe injection sites. Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: But they want to bring those people you see dying

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Speaker 1: in the streets from overdoses to the safe injection sites

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Speaker 1: where they think they can save them from the overdose.

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Speaker 1: Except eventually they won't. Eventually they'll wander away from that site.

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Speaker 1: There aren't going to go to the site for the

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Speaker 1: rest of their lives. Yeah. One of the persons who

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Speaker 1: objected to the bills said there should be some uh

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Speaker 1: demand that they get treatment if they're gonna come in here.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, who who supplies all this treatment?

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Speaker 1: Do we do? We graduate tens of thousands of drug

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Speaker 1: treatment experts every year. Is there the personnel to do this? Everybody? Else?

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Speaker 1: Is this? Bring your own drugs or do we supply

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Speaker 1: them with the drugs? I guess they bring their own drugs? Wow?

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Speaker 1: And you just how staff in there to treat them

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Speaker 1: if they overdose? How long before we supply them? Well,

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Speaker 1: there was that story last week that we talked about

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Speaker 1: in the El Segundo times. They've been doing series on

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Speaker 1: this kind of things and what I call the give

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Speaker 1: up theory. There are some people that will never be

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Speaker 1: able to break the binds of addictions, so we should

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Speaker 1: just learn to live with that and try to make

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Speaker 1: sure that they don't die of an overdose. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the approach. They will anyway. Do you do you

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Speaker 1: think people live into their seventies and eighties when they're no,

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Speaker 1: they do not, No, they don't. They die young. They

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Speaker 1: almost all die. They die young. They men a dive

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Speaker 1: in overdose, but the body will be destroyed by the

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Speaker 1: drugs eventually, the organs right right, So you're you're engaging.

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Speaker 1: You're helping out slow motion death, painful death, and not

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Speaker 1: only that, but a lot of suffering every day along

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Speaker 1: the way. Why do you want to be part of that?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand motivations for people. Why do they

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Speaker 1: get up in the morning and say, yes, I want

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Speaker 1: to help people die early of an addiction, suffer more

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Speaker 1: from the addiction. I want to make it more convenient.

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Speaker 1: Scott Wiener wants to do that with his life. That's

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Speaker 1: fascinating to me because it's of no use to the addicts,

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Speaker 1: it's of no use to the rest of us. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: it fouls our peaceful public spaces. It's hard to believe

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Speaker 1: it's happening in the criminal justice system and now in

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Speaker 1: the drug addiction arena. Yeah, well that we now have

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Speaker 1: a crowd of people and they're often in charge who say,

583
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Speaker 1: let the people just shoot up, we'll stand by. And

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Speaker 1: the criminal justice system, nobody goes to prison, nobody goes

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Speaker 1: to jail, and we let everybody out right, Nobody would

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Speaker 1: want their child to do this, right, Nobody would want

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Speaker 1: their teenage sons and daughters to end up like this.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing that that horrifies nearly all parents

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Speaker 1: is that their kids on the sly will start getting

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Speaker 1: addicted to drugs. And I don't get it all right,

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Speaker 1: more coming up. I really think they're evil and they

592
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Speaker 1: really should be thrown out of office. John and Ken

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