1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Mission Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: Today's episode follows up on an earlier Listener Male segment UH, 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: inspired by an episode of a program known as Ancient Aliens. 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Earnest contacted us and asked some interesting questions about mercury 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: and ancient tombs, and then took a turn to UH 13 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: to something that we have thought about for years, which is, 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: weirdly enough, the topic we've never covered, the idea of 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: ancient flying machines. Talk about a rabbit hole. I know 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: you guys have heard of, you know, like Chariot of 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: the Gods with Eric von dannikin right, No that it 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: sounds amazing. I just love the expression chariot of the Gods. 19 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: I believe it's chariots of the gods. The gods. Yes, yes, 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: Eric von Dannikin is one of the advocates, or one 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: of the main voices in this sphere of hidden history 22 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: conspiracies that argues ancient civilizations had technology that was even 23 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: more sophisticated than the technology we have today. This technology 24 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: was lost and may one day be rediscovered. So this 25 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: how does this all relate to mercury? Uh? Well, we'll 26 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: tell you the main headline here first is that m 27 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: mercury was super popular with ancient elites for a number 28 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: of reasons. Here are the facts. Yeah, so the use 29 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: of mercury has been going on for quite a long time, 30 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: much longer ago than those hatters that you know, got 31 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: their moniker of being mad from mercury poisoning. So, yeah, 32 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: mercury actually played a role in ancient civilizations across the 33 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: entire world. It's one of the first medals that was 34 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: known to humanity, and the humanity figured out a way 35 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: to use. Archaeologists found mercury in an Egyptian tomb that 36 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: dated back to fifteen hundred BC. Uh, and the Egyptians 37 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: and the Chinese might have been using something called cinnabar 38 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: as a red pigment for centuries even before the birth 39 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: of Christ. So in many civilizations, mercury was almost like 40 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: considered a magical substance that was used to satisfy or 41 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: chase away the malevolent spirits. Yeah, and and cinnabar itself 42 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: is a toxic mercury soulfide mineral that was once commonly 43 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: used as a pigment. So alchemists of old thought that 44 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: mercury had these a wide range of mystical properties that 45 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: through the use of mercury properly applied, one could transform metals, 46 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: transmute base metals into more valuable things like gold. Uh. 47 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: They also thought it could have um, you know, we 48 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: talked about anti aging technology in a previous episode. They 49 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: also thought that mercury could be the key to a 50 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: much longer lifespan. There were legends of people living hundreds 51 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: and hundreds of years entirely due to their judicious consumption 52 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: of mercury. Greek civilization knew about mercury also used it 53 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: as a medicine. Uh. The use of mercury to treat 54 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: specifically syphilis, started around the fifteenth century continued into the 55 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: mid nineteen hundreds. Spoiler, folks, it's not the best syphilist 56 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: treatment out there. To put it mildly now, it's sort 57 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: of like cutting off your ear, you know, to help 58 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: you with some other problems. Like exactly, there you go, yeah, exactly. 59 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: I'd love to see a modern commercial for that time 60 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: and mercury as a medicine for syphilis, Like what would 61 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: the side effects be? What would they have to read 62 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: legally as the side effects? It would be it would 63 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: be madness, existential dread more so than than usual, and 64 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: what like death instant death over time because on how 65 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: much you consume. So it would probably be something like um, 66 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: the Who's warning, which will just read an end of 67 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: the commercial voice, so like picture you know, um, picture 68 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: some nice music, Paul, can you give us some like 69 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: prosaic big pharma ad music perfect okay? And then the 70 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: tag with mercury. Yes, the inhalation of mercury vapor can 71 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: produce harmful effects on the nervous, digestive and immune system, lungs, 72 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: and kidneys, and may be fatal. The inorganic salts of 73 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: mercury are corrosive to the skin, eyes, and gastro intestinal 74 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: track and may induce kidney toxicity if ingested. Mercury It's 75 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: not just for thermometers. That's the that's the add right, 76 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: that's it is. I mean, we're making light of it, 77 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: but mercury is a poisonous substance. That's why we grow 78 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: up being told not to break open the thermometers, no 79 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: matter how cool they are. But back in the day, 80 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: like Noel just said, this was used in multiple civilizations. 81 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: Ancient Indian civilizations knew about mercury. The tomb of China's 82 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: first emperor, Chin Shi Huong is a It's this massive 83 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: complex underneath this hill, this mound, and it's pretty much 84 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: the size of a city, right, of all these interconnected 85 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: underground caves containing all the things you need in the 86 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: afterlife if you're an emperor. And for more than two 87 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: thousand years. Uh, this guy has been entombed in this 88 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: incredibly ornate complex, and archaeologists believe that his tomb was 89 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: originally surrounded by a moat of mercury. That's a lot 90 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: of mercury, right, Like a moat is a weird measurement 91 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: to use. I don't think I've ever measured something in 92 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: a moat. Units Well, yeah, in this case, it's surrounding 93 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: a you know, a tomb. I guess how large your 94 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: moat is depends precisely on how large your tomb is 95 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: or you're sarcophagus or your you know, whatever, whatever you're 96 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: inside of um, because it's not the entire building that 97 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: was surrounded by a moat the way you would imagine 98 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: a castle or something in a moat, But it was 99 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: certainly way more mercury than you'd expect. Who he was 100 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: mercury rich. Chinese tradition at the time of of this 101 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: emperor's life and his burial held that mercury could bestow 102 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: immortality or a very extreme form of longevity. So there's 103 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: an archaeologist named Kristen Romi who argues that this belief 104 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: in the curative powers of mercury could have actually been 105 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: the cause of the emperor's death because this guy was 106 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: also I think we mentioned this on the Listener mail, 107 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: this guy was also taking mercury pills on a regular 108 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: basis in hopes of extending his lifespan, and those pills 109 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: are probably what killed him at the age of thirty nine, 110 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: So he died like in modern terms, who would think 111 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: of that as an early death. He probably would have 112 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: lived a little longer if he hadn't been you know, 113 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: ingesting mercury on a regular basis. Yeah, And as you 114 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: were saying, this reverence for mercury or use of mercury 115 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: was across the globe and in Teotiquacan, in Mexico, there 116 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: was this other weird thing that was found with liquid 117 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: mercury um. It's like half a world away in Mexico 118 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: from from where we're talking about this moat was located. 119 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: There's an archaeologist named Sergio Gomez who accidentally stumbled up 120 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: on this hidden tunnel essentially there at a temple. There 121 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: was a rainstorm or something and he just happened to 122 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: shine a light down into the sinkhole that opened up, 123 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: and they discovered something very strange. There was basically a 124 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: recreation of the what of the underworld that is described 125 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: at least by the people's of the time, the people 126 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: who built Teotiquacan Um, who built the Temple of the 127 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Sun and there and some of the other structures. Um. 128 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: Part of it was large quantities of liquid mercury. And 129 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: it's at least it's thought right now. We we can't 130 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: say for sure, but it's thought that those pools of 131 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: liquid mercury were meant to represent essentially the parts of 132 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: the underworld, the waters of the underworld. Um. And you 133 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: can imagine in your mind if you've ever seen liquid mercury, 134 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: that kind of the color, the way this liquid metal, 135 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: the way it looks fill, the way it fills you know, 136 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: any any volume of container that it's in. It's just 137 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: it's otherworldly almost, And you can imagine how symbolically that 138 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: would be very powerful. And basins of mercury would sometimes 139 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: be used in uh divination rituals, right because of that 140 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: mirror like surface you can gaze into it. This is 141 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: strange because it gives it leads us to a couple 142 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: of interesting lines of thoughts and choosing that phrase carefully. 143 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: So first we ask ourselves what role did mercury play 144 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: in these vastly different ancient culture ers. The question is 145 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: still a bit of a mystery in the modern day. 146 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: We know that, like we said, Tibetan, China, those civilizations 147 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: believe that mercury had curative powers. It also had symbolic significance, 148 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: for sure in Mesoamerican society. In numerous other societies, it 149 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: was both symbolic and perceived to be medicinal. So why 150 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: is it such a popular thing in these communities. It 151 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: gives us a couple of there are a couple of 152 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: there are a couple of possibilities. So one, uh, it's 153 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: just one of the earliest medals known, so people were 154 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: more likely to know about it and to independently discover 155 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: it through the use of center bar stuff like that, 156 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: or to a very out there one is, what if 157 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: these civilizations had some sort of contact that we're not 158 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: aware of in the modern day. I think the way 159 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: we phrased it is, so the Mesoamerican structure is built 160 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: after the tomb of the quote unquote for Chinese emperor, 161 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: So what And there's a legend that this emperor sent 162 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: ships east to explore other possible aging cures. So what 163 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: if some of the folks that emperor sent east ended 164 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: up in Mesoamerica and they were like, hey, we want 165 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: to teach you our ways. Also, if you guys heard 166 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: of mercury, it's super cool. Look look at this bowl. 167 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: There's no proof that that happened yet, but we know 168 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: mercury remains a crucial substance here in Like people still 169 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: use mercury. You know, you might have mercury in your 170 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: house if you have um I don't know, a thermometer. 171 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: That's what I mostly associated with. What about you guys, Yeah, same, 172 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean more like in a thermostat. Like it's still 173 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: like an old school thermostat. If you open it up, 174 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: it's got a little tiny, kind of level looking glass 175 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: tube that's got a little bit of mercury in it. 176 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: I think people maybe use digital thermometers more often than 177 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: old school mercury ones for safety, I guess with kids, 178 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: but that certainly is still a use for it in 179 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: the in things you know, in your home. Yeah, I 180 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: mean there are a lot of reasons to use mercury 181 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: and other things for switching, like metal switching purposes, um, 182 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, and traditionally it was used in things like 183 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: alarm clocks and there's there are a lot of uses 184 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: for mercury um and measuring devices. I forgot about barometers. Yeah, 185 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: that's that's really important, is that because it's it's sensitive 186 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: to like it, it expands and contracts, uh, you know, 187 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: with temperature very well better than others. And it also 188 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: stays in a liquid form. Yeah baby, Yeah, it's it's 189 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: got that high density, right, So the height of the 190 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: column and the barometer can be a reasonable size. Your 191 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: barometer doesn't have to be a huge contraption like there's 192 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: a there's there's an interesting, interesting tidbit there. So you 193 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: could make a barometer using water, it would need to 194 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: be thirteen points six times taller than a mercury barometer. 195 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: So to your point, no, mercury is super convenient for this. 196 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: But back to that question, and there's a question that 197 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: other people have tried to answer. What caused ancient civilizations 198 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: to be so fascinated with this substance? And why do 199 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: some people believe that mercury may be more than just 200 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: an element, Why do they believe it may be the 201 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: key to some sort of lost technology of ni unimaginable power. 202 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: It's a big question, and it's one we'll tackle after 203 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy. 204 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: Our story about the alleged powers of mercury kind of 205 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: start kind of starts in ancient India. When you say, absolutely, 206 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: if we go back in ancient Indian lore, uh, you 207 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: have something called the legend of Vimana in Hindu and 208 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: sanscript uh texts or scriptures, Vimyana were flying palaces. It's 209 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: one of these things where it's like, is this a 210 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: product of the imagination. Is this something that's based in 211 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: lore or did they actually know how to build these things? Uh? 212 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,359 Speaker 1: Here's here's where it starts. The crafts actually have supposedly 213 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: these magical abilities that almost defied you know, physics. UM. 214 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: In Hindu mythology, there was a demon king named Ravana 215 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: of Lanka, that's ancient Sri Lanka UM who brought something 216 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: called the Pushpaka Vimyana to India. UM. The word vimana 217 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: actually translates to to traverse or to measure. Other uses 218 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: UM might imply an existence of a temple or a 219 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: flying machine ding ding ding a flying machine. Yes, so 220 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: this captures the imagination, right, But there's there's something interesting. 221 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: So we said flying alice or flying machine. It reminds 222 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: me of the popular image of angels in you know 223 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: um Islamic, Judaic, Christian mythology U versus the actual description 224 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: of angels in the Bible. There are two very different 225 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: looking creatures, right, like these wheels spinning with all these 226 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: eyes and multiple wings versus a kindly person in a 227 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: white robe with a humble halo. The description of the 228 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: flying palace or the Vimyanna here is that it's shaped 229 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: like a giant peacock. It's not especially aerodynamic if you 230 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: if you look at it, or if you draw something 231 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: according to the description. But long story short, Yes, ancient 232 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: aircraft could some civilization from thousands of years in the 233 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: past have cracked the code to flight, you know, millennia 234 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: before the Ripe Brothers, only for this technology to have 235 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: been forgotten in the modern day. I mean, it's it's 236 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: an awesome story. It's definitely true that it's an awesome story. 237 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: How how does mercury figure into the mix? Though? Well, 238 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: there is one Sanskrit text. It's called the Vamnica Shastras. 239 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: And now remember we cannot, I cannot pronounce these words correctly, 240 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: so I apologize. Vy v A I M A n 241 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: I k A Shastra s h A s t r A. 242 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: Now this text, at least on the surface, appears to 243 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: fully describe the construction of these things called v manas, 244 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: as well as their propulsion systems, such as a mercury 245 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: vortex engine. So cool, right, mercury vortex engine. Yeah, let's 246 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: do that, spin that mercury around. Let's see what happens. 247 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: Um And remember these texts texts, not this one in particular, 248 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: but the Vedas are written, It's thought around fifteen hundred 249 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: BC twelve d BC. That's when the like Rick Veda 250 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: is thought to be have been created. In some of 251 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: these ancient texts that are describing some of these things. Uh, 252 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: this one that we're going to talk about is a 253 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: little different, but still this is a much older text 254 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: that has This is the one that has illustrations. Right, 255 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: then that's correct. Yeah, and this is Uh, let's set 256 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: it up this way. So when we were talking about 257 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: this earlier in the listener mail segment, this is the 258 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: text that was referring to when I said these things 259 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: are described as fact rather than as as myth. So 260 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: it's important. Well we'll see why this text in particular 261 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: bears some scrutiny. Okay, so we we have to look 262 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: to that show, the old the show that holds a 263 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: special place in my heart and hopefully it does years 264 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: too ancient aliens, I think. So I gotta say that 265 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: who's the host? I love his hair and I love 266 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: his spray tan Georgio Georgio. Yeah. There there are a 267 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: lot of people who kind of rotate through as the 268 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: subject matter experts on that show. One of them is 269 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Fontanak in one of them is Ukolos but show not yet. 270 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: But um in one of these episodes, we we've got 271 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: a quote from it that is describing this text and 272 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: here it is. One of the texts talks about mercury 273 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: rotating and driving some sort of powerful wind or a 274 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: windmill machine. That might be some sort of what we 275 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: call a flywheel energy storage where you have a spinning 276 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: disk and you extract energy from it slowly. That would 277 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: be the mercury that could be used to drive some 278 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: sort of propeller or what we call a conducted fan. Okay, okay, 279 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: let's let's pause. Let's pause. Uh, okay, that's true. That 280 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: was said on that show. That is true. Um. So 281 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: we know that we know that flywheels are a real thing. 282 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: We know that we know that it's true that mercury 283 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: at very low temperatures, think like four degrees kelvin, which 284 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: is negative four hundred fifty two something fahrenheit or for 285 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: people in the rest of the world, negative two d 286 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: sixty nine degrees celsius. When you get to that very 287 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: low temperature, mercury can function as a superconductor. And as 288 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: for the rest of the stuff described there, what a 289 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: cool story. It is true that that is such a 290 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: cool story. You'll see versions of this story going even 291 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: further afield into like Indiana Jones hell Boy territory. There's 292 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: this argument that in World War Two, Nazi German forces 293 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: took an expedition into Tibet and into India to retrieve 294 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: this ancient technology, which they understood to be something called 295 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: real v R I L. And they would later use 296 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: their discoveries to power their own fantastical flying machines. So 297 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: shout out to the Nazi bell. Here's another thing that's true. 298 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: There really was a German expedition to Tibet and India 299 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty eight to nineteen thirty nine, and it 300 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: was weird. It was weird that the Germans were into 301 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of spooky stuff, weren't they. I mean really, 302 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: they put a lot of stock and the supernatural. Yeah, 303 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: we've talked about this before in a previous episode that 304 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: you could go listen to. No, I can't remember what 305 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: it was called the Nazi Magic. Maybe No, we didn't know. 306 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: That's we've got that coming up as a classic. We 307 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: we did an intro for that the other day. Oh yeah, 308 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: we did I can't remember if the Magic one. There's 309 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: so much Nazi content, you guys, I can't remember if 310 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: you got to get that premium Nazi content. It's either 311 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: the Diglocke Bell episode or the Magic Well. And there's 312 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: one of those where we're going into could be that. 313 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: Um So, so we do know that this was an 314 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: expedition nine and then and that there were some strange, 315 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: seemingly strange reasons for going and and we know this 316 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: to be true. Um, let's just let's let's say what 317 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: it was. The Germans at that time wanted to figure 318 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: out whether or not Tibet could be used as a 319 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: staging ground for attacks on British India. So, right, so 320 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: could we actually go from Tibet to attack our enemies 321 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: guerilla style? So that makes sense, that's military strategy. They 322 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: also wanted to prove this other guy's idea, Heinrich Himler, 323 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: that they wanted to prove his idea that there was 324 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: some group of pure blooded Arians at least that that's 325 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: his that's his uh concept. There had settled Tibet, and 326 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: according to what we know, there was a This expedition 327 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: was thought to be a success. Right, They came back 328 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: with all kinds of samples from from the area into 329 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: bat of the floor and the fauna of that locality. 330 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: But the big question is did they come back with 331 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: some kind of I don't know, mercury engine and flywheel 332 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: system that would change the trajectory of the German military machine. 333 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: That sounds cool. Maybe maybe that's what the bell was. Yeah, 334 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: I could like proving it, but we did try. Yeah, yeah, 335 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: did they discover something that could have changed the course 336 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: of the war with the only problem being the timing? 337 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, were they just too 338 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: late with the secret knowledge they gleaned from some hyperborean 339 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: society of old Again, a wonderful story. We're gonna pause 340 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors and we'll be back. 341 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: And we've returned. I promised this is the last time 342 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: I will say what a cool story this whole thing is. 343 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: Because I do think it's a cool story and I 344 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: love it. The problem is it is maybe not a 345 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: true story. Let's go let's go back to that Indian literature, right, 346 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: Matt Noll. The Vedas you guys mentioned, those are very real, right, 347 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: those are real, correct, the Hindu Vedas. Um it's it's 348 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's a sacred text, but it's 349 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: a lot more fun than the Bible. I'm not gonna lie, 350 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: because it's like almost more like reading Greek mythology, where 351 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: you have all these gods who have these incredible powers 352 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: and they're fighting for supremacy, you know, in this mystical 353 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: world with all kinds of vehicles. It's like I can 354 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: imagine they're being action figure play sets. May that's some 355 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: of these incredible gods epic battles that supposedly took place 356 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: in ancient times. These sagas are widely thought to be 357 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: mythological stories or allegories to be taken, you know, as 358 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: um ways to model, you know, learn lessons, almost like 359 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: Esop's fable type situations which we used to teach children 360 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: life lessons. Um. But in the Ancient Aliens program, they posit, 361 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: uh that these might there might have been some truth 362 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: to this stuff, that maybe there were these ancient uh 363 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: forgotten flight machines um and and these gods kind of 364 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: battling it out in the skies, right yeah. Yeah, And 365 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: there there appears to be uh a misstep in that 366 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: presentation or the way it's framed. The argument about forgotten 367 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: flight machines. Uh, sites ancient Indian literature and primarily mentions 368 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: a text called the Vimanika Shastra. Right, and again to 369 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: Matt's earlier point, we are not native speakers of this language. Uh, 370 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: what is this shastra? So it begins by covering the 371 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: definition of an airplane of flying craft. It talks about 372 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: pilots of these crafts, it talks about aerial roots these 373 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: craft would take, and more. It's markedly different from the 374 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: Vedas in that it is not it is. It is 375 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: written as though it is factual, and as though it 376 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: is almost an engineering guide or depiction of real life 377 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: events and artifacts. It's claimed to be a small fragment 378 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: of a much larger work called the Yantrasarvaswa, which translates 379 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: roughly to all about machines. It's one of this much 380 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: bigger thing, right, So we're only we're only seeing part 381 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: of the work. Here's here's the thing. This, the Monika Shastra, 382 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: is real. It is real. It is in Sanskrit, and 383 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: it does claim that the vim nanas mentioned in other 384 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: texts are advanced flying machines. But the Manika Shastra itself 385 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: is not ancient by any means no, no, And this 386 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: is where we can kind of burst bubbles. And I'm 387 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: sorry for that, but it's just what we kind of 388 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: have to do. So for this text, we have to 389 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: jump away way back to nineteen fifty two A d 390 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: or C. Yeah, correct, that's ninett two, like right after 391 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: my parents were born. Um, that's when this text was 392 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: first revealed by a person named G. R. Josier. G R. 393 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: Josier that is the name there. And it was claimed 394 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: to have been written by someone named Pandit Subaraya Shastri, 395 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 1: who probably, at least according to the story, dictated it 396 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: between nineteen eighteen and nineteen twenty three. Now u sha 397 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: Stri claimed that he was receiving this information from a 398 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: spirit guide. So what you're actually finding in that text 399 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: according to the person that wrote it, uh, it's dreamlike 400 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: visions that are being translated. Now a very skeptical person 401 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: can immediately look at that and go, oh, come on, 402 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: well then, okay, that's this is all made up. This 403 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: is just somebody's imagination, somebody's creativity at work. But when 404 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: you think about almost any ancient text, there is a 405 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: good amount of visioning that's occurring of divine inspiration, at 406 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: least if you believe the story of the actual text 407 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: and how it was created. So it's you know, you 408 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: can't completely discount it, right, But at the same time, 409 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: we we know this text's origin, and we know that 410 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: it was again inspired in some way through someone imagination. Right, Yeah, 411 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: it was inspired, perhaps divinely inspired um to their mind, 412 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: spiritually inspired, and and maybe in that perspective it was 413 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: based on earlier, pre existing wisdom, sort of like when 414 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: Adam weisshopped form the Bavarian Illuminati and said, really, what 415 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing is continuing an ancient tradition. I'm not making 416 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: a new thing. So Sha Stry most likely does not 417 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: believe that he's making a new thing out of whole cloth. 418 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Here's the other thing he is. Um Joe's here, you 419 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: know describes show Strey as a guy who's gifted with 420 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: sensory abilities beyond that of mere mortals. Uh, he was. 421 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: It's tough to to talk about this without trying to 422 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: phrase it in our modern experiences, but if you have 423 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: lived in a city for any length of time, you 424 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: may have one point. I have seen people who seem 425 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: to be a little bit um unbalanced or mentally unwell, 426 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: who are perhaps appearing to hear things that other people 427 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: don't hear, or loudly addressing someone or something that other 428 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: people can't see. Right, yeah, well, there used to be 429 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: a time that those folks were considered like seers or profits, 430 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: and now they're largely treated as you know, folks with 431 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: mental illness, which obviously is is a real thing. Mm hmm. Yeah. 432 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: So this, this person in the early nine hundreds was 433 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: known to you know, spontaneously address people or or spontaneously 434 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: share verbally these inspirations or these messages they received. At 435 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: the time, that was seeing as a legitimate source of information. 436 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: But it leads us to a modern controversy, doesn't it, 437 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: Because those what this means is no matter how you 438 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: slice it, those various claims about ancient flying machines in 439 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: Indian literature, whether they're craft mentioned in actual text from antiquity, 440 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: or whether they're more modern hoaxes, all of this leads 441 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: to an enormous controversy. In twenty fifteen, during the hundred 442 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: and second Indian Science Congress in Mumbai. The Indian Science 443 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: Congress is like another another scientific conference, right, you've heard 444 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: of these before. Academics researchers, scientists. They get together and 445 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: they present papers, right, and they have Q and a 446 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: s and they discuss and review one another's ideas. And 447 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: the goal of this is to um spread the awareness 448 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: of the latest science with the hope that maybe uh, 449 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: two different fields of research will be able to lend 450 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: some sort of insight to one another. It's beautiful idea. Uh. 451 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: Things didn't go the way the congress planners wanted them 452 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: to go in because somebody brought up this brought up 453 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: this Shastra and argued that ancient ancient aircraft using exotic 454 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: power sources like a mercury motor were real. Yeah. Uh, 455 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: And the organizers of this conference allowed a non j 456 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: Bodas and his co presenter, a person by the name 457 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: of Amaya Jadhav, to uh submit and present a paper 458 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: that claimed that aircraft more advanced than the world has 459 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: ever known existed in ancient India. Um and in various interviews, 460 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: these researchers claimed that the craft were massive and could 461 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: fly to other planets apparently also again kind of defying 462 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: what we know about physics of aircraft, fly backwards, left, right, up, down, 463 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: out maneuvering modern airplanes and these are things that we 464 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: have yet to achieve. UM. So in December, ram Prasad 465 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: grand Hiraman, who was a scientist at NASA's AIMS Research 466 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: Center UH, created a petition that would prevent the paper 467 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: from being presented at this conference. So by December thirty one, 468 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: two scientists and academics had signed this petition. UM. Grand 469 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: Chireman criticized the paper as being pseudoscience and said the 470 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: mythology should not be mixed with science. Yeah, because again 471 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: this is UM. This is a congress that is meant 472 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: to advance scientific understanding, and part of the review process 473 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: is to evaluate the merits of these claims. Other experts 474 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: dunked on the proposals in this paper and this uh 475 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: this Shastra text left and right. One of my favorites 476 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: is an author named G. B. Hair who's working for 477 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: the Sacred Text Archive. He had, Yeah, he had some 478 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: especially snarky UH stuff to say about the aerodynamics of 479 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: the craft described in the Monica Shastra. He said, quote, 480 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: they are absurdly non aerodynamic, brutalist wedding cakes with minarets, 481 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: huge ornithopter wings and dinky propellers, which is like hot 482 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: fire level. Uh. Hot fire level insult in academia. You know, well, 483 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: I can like it depends on the propulsion system, guys, 484 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: they've got some kind of special mercury unknown technology propulsion system. 485 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: If it's true, like there's stuff in there that maybe 486 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: some kind of electromagnetic field that functions outside of our 487 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: understanding of modern physics, Like it wouldn't matter how it 488 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: was shaped, if it could slip through matter in a 489 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: different kind of way because it's not being affected by 490 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: gravity or whatever, but which is again way out there 491 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: in conceptual and not currently possible or even conceivable. But 492 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter if it looks like a brutalist wedding 493 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: cake with some deep things on the side, you know, 494 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: you can it would be a bubble essentially. Yeah, that's 495 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: a fair point because also we would add to this 496 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: um it depends on the medium in which this kind 497 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: of craft would be would be moving, right, So if 498 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: it's in space, it's functioning in a very different environment. 499 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: So maybe maybe there's something to that along with the 500 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: propulsion mechanism. I mean, those are those are fair points 501 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: because some of them look like like uh, return capsules 502 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: essentially for some of NASA's technology that was being developed 503 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: in the fifties and sixties. Yeah, it looks very similar 504 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: to that, just kind of turned upwards. So the point 505 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: is up rather than you know, when if it was well, no, 506 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: because it was returning. If they're returning, the pointy side 507 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: is still pointed up anyway. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. 508 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: So when we put the pieces together, with all this 509 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: in mind, it looks currently as if the story of 510 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: ancient mercury powered flying machines is either an honest mistake 511 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: in the reading of text or a dishonest, purposeful attempt 512 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: to shoehorn ancient mythology into a modern cultural framework. So 513 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: like that, there they are these questions, right, these important questions. If, 514 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: for example, there were real ancient flying machines, then where 515 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: were they? Where are they? How come no other culture 516 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: has written about them? You know, this makes me think 517 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: of it's in a science purely sci fi text. Um. 518 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: What was the alien prequel Prometheus? Yes, it kind of 519 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: it kind of makes me think of that kind of 520 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: like it's it's ancient technology, um, created by these like 521 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: giants that were essentially gods, you know what I mean. 522 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I know there was problems with that movie, 523 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: but I like the base level lore of it and 524 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: the way those creatures looked and the way their tech worked, 525 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: and what was it like the pilot guy that was like, 526 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: you know, designed by hr Geeker that you saw in 527 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: the original Alien movie that kind of made an appearance 528 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: in Prometheus. This this very much makes me think of 529 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: that kind of I wonder if that was inspired by 530 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: by this stuff. I mean, I'm almost certain that it 531 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: was in some way, right, because in that movie and Prometheus, 532 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: it's it's planet seeding, right, It's it's like the seeds 533 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: of life are planted by these by this pilot and 534 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: by you know, maybe the species they had a name. 535 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: Why were they were? They were called something the gray 536 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: weird blue gray guys. Yeah, they were called the engineer 537 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. And you can imagine and you know, 538 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: in God, I guess when when the actual battles were 539 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: occurring in some of these things, you can imagine that 540 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: seeing technology that is so far beyond your understanding would 541 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: just it would be a mind blowing thing. Reminds me 542 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: of I think the filth, Yeah, the filth by Grant Morrison, 543 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: when when people encounter technology that is so strange and 544 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: outside of the realm of understanding. They just the human 545 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: mind just chooses to not remember it, or it's as 546 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: though it didn't exist, or you can't see it because 547 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: it's just so far beyond your your capabilities of observation, 548 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: Like you can imagine that stuff, right. That's why Ancient 549 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: Aliens is such a successful show, I think because part 550 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: of it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I can, I can. 551 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: I can go with you there, because if we imagine, 552 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: if we imagine those events from the perspective of people 553 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: who lived during that time period, then you you can 554 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: easily imagine how weird some stuff may have looked. Like 555 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: if you're from a culture that's never seen an elephant, 556 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: for instance, and then you get into a scrap and 557 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: the other side comes rolling up on you riding elephants, 558 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: You're going to freak out. That's like, that's insane, you know, 559 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: And that's inspired so many like Sword and Sorcery fantasy 560 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: fight scenes. Is the idea of somebody encountering something like 561 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: an elephant for the first time. So imagine just an 562 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 1: explosion from a simple explosive device for the first time 563 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: when you're in a battle, right, I mean, just what 564 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: that would do to your mind. People on horses that 565 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: that's crazy too. You know, in the day, that was 566 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: very surprising in an unpleasant way for many people, And 567 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: sadly that surprise probably didn't last long because neither did they. Guys. 568 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: We we didn't even talk about the nuclear nuclear bomb, 569 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: nuclear war theories. I know, saving it. I think it's 570 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: its own thing because because to talk about that, we 571 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: also have to talk about ancient traces of radiation, like 572 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: the first nuclear reactor, which is real and uh not 573 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: man made. There's a nuclear reactor, this super ancient. But 574 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, ancient nuclear war is an episode for 575 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: another day. No, I know, it sounds like we have 576 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: clearly dismissed the ideas of ancient flying machines, but there 577 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: are some important considerations here, some important caveats. First, what 578 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: we what we've really done, is made up pretty good 579 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: case that the text people are basing a lot of 580 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: these claims on is not near as old as it 581 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: is sometimes assumed to be. Um. But second, we have 582 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 1: to remember humanity is very, very very good at losing things, 583 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: so good at losing stuff. We have lost technology before, 584 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: and it's usually rediscovered at some point, right there. Examples 585 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: like Greek fire, Damascus steel, uh, and then there are 586 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: things that looked really advanced for their time period, like 587 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: the anti Cathera mechanism. You guys remember that one, So 588 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: like where did that turn up? Yeah, there's some really 589 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: cool newer concepts about the origins of that that we 590 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: could definitely, Yeah, we should definitely bring that back up. 591 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: Um So, I I know where we need to get 592 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: out of here. I want to bring up one other 593 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: thing when it comes to Vimana's for this episode. Weirdly enough, 594 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: several of us independently found an article out of Medium 595 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: that I've been I think we have to bring up. Okay, 596 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, so Medium, for anybody doesn't know what 597 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: we're talking about, Medium dot com is, uh is a website, 598 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: a platform where people can write and post their own material. Right. 599 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: Uh So I did put this in the notes, and 600 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: I think we all we all found it. We were 601 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: looking for the most out their story, right. Uh gosh, Matt, 602 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: you brought it up to honors with the headline. We'll 603 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: start it with the headlines. Let's start with the headline. 604 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: A five thousand year old ancient Indian via mana found 605 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan cave. Eight American soldiers stuck in time well 606 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: time well as all caps disappeared in attempt to remove it. 607 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: So the soldiers disappeared in a time well when they 608 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: were trying to remove the vimana. Um. Now, this is 609 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: written by Satisha Ramyan, and if you can read it, 610 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: I would just recommend you go to medium and read 611 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: the story. Um. There's nothing really cited in it when 612 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: it comes to what is happening or the facts, but 613 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: it has some incredible things said. Ultimately, it has to 614 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: do with exactly what the title says, just kind of 615 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: expanded a little bit, and it includes Barack Obama and 616 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: I think Nicholas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel all going to 617 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: Afghanistan in two thousand twelve for a weird thing, which 618 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: would be which in this case, the weird thing is 619 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: that there's a vimana stuck in a time well with 620 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of other American soldiers. What's the time well? 621 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: Is that like a wormhole? Or it explains the time well? Um. 622 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: It appears to be an electromagnetic radiation gravity field, first 623 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: postulated by Albert Einstein as the unified field theory and 624 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: long rumored to be behind the infamous American World War 625 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: two experiment in teleportation called the Philadelphia experiment. Heard of it, 626 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, cool stuff, cool story again, but 627 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,959 Speaker 1: there's just no I where is it coming from? Who 628 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 1: is who is actually stating some of the stuff there. 629 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: There are references cited at the bottom down here, but 630 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: there's nothing to actually in any way to prove that 631 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: this even kind of happened. Well, it could have been 632 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: covered up, it could have been But dude, South Eash, 633 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: how did you find out about it? That's what I 634 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: want to know. So you guys, though, I am so 635 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: into stories like this, and uh, it would be amazing 636 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: if these were true. Uh, it would be amazing if 637 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: this kind of technology was discovered and if people could 638 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: prove that it existed. But at this point we have 639 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: two big, two big takeaways. First, we know again in 640 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: that document that is cited so often as ancient research 641 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: is not in fact ancient. It's not saying it's untrue. 642 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: It's just saying we know the providence of it, and 643 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: it likely occurred in the early nineteen hundreds and was 644 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 1: later revealed in the nineteen fifties to the public. Uh. 645 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: The second thing we know, however, is that technology does 646 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: get lost. The thing is a lot of it ends 647 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: up being rediscovered or just as often reinvented by someone 648 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: else later on down the line. So this possibility, that 649 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: very real possibility of lost technology. I would argue that 650 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: is the core of what makes the ancient flying machines 651 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: lore so compelling and so fascinating. While mercury power, ancient 652 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: flying machines probably never existed based on what we know 653 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: at this point, it's enormously difficult to say that we 654 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: somehow know all the technology techn weeks and research of 655 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: ancient peoples and civilizations. Like there there are stone works 656 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: that are still around today in Peru and other parts 657 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: of the world where people we have theories about how 658 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: they were able to build these seamlessly constructed stone walls 659 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: with no mortar or anything like that that lasted centuries 660 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: and centuries and centuries. Well, we're not sure because people 661 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: back then we're just as intelligent as people now, and 662 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: they figured stuff out just like us. So I'm gonna 663 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: say I I don't know about you, guys. I am 664 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: super open to getting some hard proof about an ancient 665 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,959 Speaker 1: flying machine. That would be so cool. Please please send 666 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,720 Speaker 1: send us anything if you've got it. If you actually 667 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: have something, we want to read it. And and with 668 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: this our episode draws to a close. We passed the 669 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: We passed the Mercury vortex torch. To you, folks, what 670 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: do you think Is there any real lost technology out 671 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: there left waiting to be rediscovered? And if so, what 672 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: do you think it is? Where? Where could it be found? Right? 673 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: Is it? Maybe? I don't know. This goes so many directions, 674 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, like, is there is there a city or 675 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: community that was buried beneath the waves that is home 676 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: to like a ton of anti Cathera mechanisms or something 677 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 1: like that. It's again cool stories, dude, have you guys 678 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: heard have you guys heard of the I think it's 679 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: every twenty six seconds the earth like blips essentially sends 680 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: out a small seismic had those tiny seismic event every 681 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: twenty six seconds, And it's been happening for decades and 682 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: decades and decades or is discovered at least several decades ago, 683 00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: and it continues and it's it's um allegedly at least 684 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 1: according to some research, that's occurred in the two thousand's, 685 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: maybe the two thous tents where it's off the coast 686 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 1: of of It's like the kind of the mid west 687 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,919 Speaker 1: coast of the continent of Africa. Allegedly it's coming from there, 688 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 1: Guinea specifically, right, it's not. I think it's not the 689 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: coast of Guinea. Yeah. Uh, I can't recall right now 690 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: the place. But allegedly the Earth is just like doing 691 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: this pulse and seismologists geologists are unsure what it is. 692 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: The best theories that is waves crashing against this one 693 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,320 Speaker 1: particular place there. But I don't think it's waves, y'all. 694 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: Every twenties six seconds, some ancient civilization left a very 695 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: weird snooze button. The're just not they're just not hitting 696 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: the button. Yeah, it's fascinating because that's one of those 697 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: things you know, um, I think when you read read 698 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: about this, it's also been called a micro size, is 699 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: um right, like a very small seismic event that is 700 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: probably undetectable by humans without technology. But whenever you read 701 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,240 Speaker 1: about this thing, the mean I would say, the weirdest 702 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: part is that no one is sure exactly why it's happening, right, 703 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: We don't know, right, yeah, exactly, So let us know 704 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: what you think. Why is the Earth pulsing every twenty 705 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: six seconds? Are there ancient pieces of technology, if not 706 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: flying machines, are there ancient pieces of lost technology that 707 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: might be rediscovered. We want to hear from you. We 708 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: try to make ourselves easy to find online. That's right. 709 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: You can find us in the usual social media locations 710 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: of note where we are conspiracy Stuff for conspiracy Stuff 711 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: show on Instagram. You can also join our Facebook group 712 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy to get in on the 713 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: real time conversations with your fellow conspiracy realists. 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Uh, let us know if 721 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: you're okay with us using your voice on the air, 722 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: then go ahead and tell us your story anything, whatever 723 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: it is, whatever, whether it's just an experience you've had, 724 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,799 Speaker 1: whether it's an idea for an episode, anything. Just give 725 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: it right up at the top there and then anything 726 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: you want to say just directly to to Nolan Ben 727 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 1: and I put it at the end if you can, 728 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: and try to keep it under three minutes, and also 729 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 1: try to keep it to one message. That will increase 730 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: your chances of actually getting on the air. Matt and 731 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,240 Speaker 1: if I did my first callback the other day, Oh nice, 732 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: a lovely gentleman, a music teacher who had some real 733 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 1: cool ideas about coded messages being sent to the Nazis 734 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,359 Speaker 1: by I contemporary composers. Turns out didn't have as much 735 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: sand to it as we would have liked, but we 736 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: had a nice conversation and uh he sent me some 737 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: cool follow up articles. So really, yeah, you will potentially 738 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: maybe now even get a call back from me or 739 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: Ben who knows. That's absolutely true. We always love to 740 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: hear from you. And as Matt said, if there is 741 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: a story that you need to tell that is longer 742 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: than three minutes, please please please don't feel like you 743 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,439 Speaker 1: have to edit yourself squeezing at ten minutes story into 744 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,960 Speaker 1: three minutes worth. The time is, you know, sometimes a 745 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: dubious endeavor. So if you have something else to tell us, 746 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: you don't like social media and phone numbers don't quite 747 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: launch your vimana, there's one other way you can always 748 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: contact us. That's our good old fashioned email address where 749 00:50:46,600 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com. 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