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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not defending our twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four championship. I'm Greg Roseal here in the Chris

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Speaker 1: Westleyan podcast studio. Join for the third time this week.

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Speaker 1: It's really happening, Jordan Rodrigue, I'm here. Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: the week where it really got real that you're the

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Speaker 1: most regular three times a week part of the show,

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Speaker 1: except for the next couple of weeks, will be a

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Speaker 1: little dicey because you're off.

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Speaker 2: And you're doing training camps. Colleagues doing training camp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yah, a little colleague colleague special like the geo

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Speaker 3: tag of where in the world am I.

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Speaker 4: Patching in from for the next couple weeks for training camp.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to hearing everything that you learn while

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Speaker 2: you are.

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Speaker 3: I know I always text you, so just for the listener,

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Speaker 3: I text Greg often when I'm on the road, just

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Speaker 3: things I'm seeing, loves that happen, things that I'm trying

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Speaker 3: not to mess up as well, So.

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Speaker 1: Little nugs and then yeah, before you know, it will

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Speaker 1: be settling into our regular season schedule where we'll have

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Speaker 1: same co host, same shows each and every week. And

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Speaker 1: I do love this time of year because every show

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Speaker 1: is a little bit different on this show. Gonna hit

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Speaker 1: a little bit of news, Gonna hit a little couple

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Speaker 1: things just make us go hmm.

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Speaker 2: You know early in training. Give just something that's making

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Speaker 1: Just two things, and then we're gonna talk to our

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Speaker 1: friends at the All phl Y Show, Zach Berman and

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Speaker 1: Bo Wolf of We're referring to the Eagles off the

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Speaker 1: top of the show because even if they weren't the

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Speaker 1: defending champs, to me, they are just so talented, so

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Speaker 1: interesting how they are run. They are one of the

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Speaker 1: most fascinating teams in the league, and so looking forward

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Speaker 1: to that deep dive into the Eagles. But first, as

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson has shown up to Bengals training camp since

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Speaker 1: we last spoke. Says he's not going to be a distraction.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be involved in all the meetings. It's

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Speaker 1: a positive sign, I think, but it's also just a

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Speaker 1: reflection of the CBA. He is fined I think, fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars every day and that cannot be given back

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Speaker 1: by the team. It's mandatory, so you are just giving

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Speaker 1: up a crazy amount of money. And we know, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals aren't a team that is necessarily worried about that

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Speaker 1: or his timeline, and so I know he was enjoying

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Speaker 1: his time in Florida, but it makes sense that he's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also you know, really humid and sticky in

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Speaker 3: Florida right now, you know, a little bit less so instant.

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Speaker 1: No, but what I'm saying, I think they were over

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Speaker 1: so it's wild there in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: What I will say is, I do think this is

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Speaker 3: a win win for Trey Hendrickson because not only is

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Speaker 3: he avoiding that fine, he's also around teammates, but also

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Speaker 3: the optics. I mean, he's out there. Fans can see

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Speaker 3: him out there, fans can watch him walk in. There

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Speaker 3: are videos of him walking in and still not dressed out,

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Speaker 3: still without a contract. I think that the more visuals

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Speaker 3: visuals of him being present but not signed to the

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Speaker 3: extension does in its own way put some pressure on.

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Speaker 4: The front office.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I guess we don't really have a

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Speaker 3: reason that that this won't get done other than the

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Speaker 3: fact that it's not done yet.

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Speaker 1: At some point, it could be week one, like Jamar

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Speaker 1: end of the season how that ended up being a

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Speaker 1: problem and why the offense started slow, and like in

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Speaker 1: the cycle continues, Yeah, it continues.

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Speaker 3: Are the goal next offseason is to not speak too

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Speaker 1: We say that every year and then it's like just

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Speaker 1: in the off season. It happens.

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Speaker 2: People getting paid though.

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Speaker 1: Bernard Ryman, Yeah got paid a left tackle not a

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Speaker 1: he is getting paid like one hundred million dollars contract.

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Speaker 1: It's funny to me because he occupies the exact same

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Speaker 1: you better hope those offensive line moves worked out because

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Speaker 3: You know, he has so much tenure already. You know,

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Speaker 3: it fourteen fifteen seasons at this point?

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Speaker 2: So is he longer than Sneid? Did I mess that up?

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Speaker 1: Maybe part of it is that, yeah, because he was

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Speaker 1: John Schneider's been there for a while and it might

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Speaker 2: And yet he is signed for the next year fifteenth season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that the introductory press conference with you

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Speaker 1: pointing out, and now he is the man there also

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Speaker 1: the man Baker Mayfield. Yes, love it when a little

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Speaker 1: like a print writer, when that's Pete Prisco at CBS

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Speaker 1: and Baker just kind of dropped into that interview that

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Speaker 1: the Bucks have already guaranteed his twenty twenty sixth contract,

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Speaker 1: that is a real show of faith in Baker. He

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Speaker 1: he is there and wouldn't be surprised at all if

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Speaker 2: It really did happen.

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Speaker 1: All the Baker believers got their best case scenario.

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Speaker 3: We all had a meeting a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: We said, Okay, any ounce of spare energy, any lucky

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Speaker 4: And that is Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 3: No, but he is so I like watching when players

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Speaker 3: thrive in environments that do seem like finally.

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Speaker 2: The place they're supposed to be. It's one of my

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Speaker 3: We've seen it a lot with quarterbacks over the last

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Speaker 3: is such a unique personality. He is such a gamer quarterback,

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Speaker 3: I mean, think of how many recently before when he

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Speaker 1: Been in three years with the Bucks despite all the success. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'r boyd. What is his crazy name? So it's Josh Bizard, right,

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Speaker 1: but we're not allowed to call him King Gizzard and

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Speaker 1: Lizard Wizard, King Grizzard, King Grizzard.

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Speaker 2: I saw like a pitchfork link about King, so we'll

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Speaker 4: But we're just gonna call him King Grizzard.

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Speaker 2: Love him, yeah, and UH love him already.

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Speaker 1: That's like an ideal situation for a quarterback. But if

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Speaker 1: be going as well. I think Baker has taken it

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Speaker 1: and that man could always spin a football.

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Speaker 2: There was never any doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: Couple little injury items to get to uh not a

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Speaker 1: Zach Moss was cut by the Bengals. In more Bengals news,

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Speaker 1: non contact injury. Our guys at NFL Network report that

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Speaker 1: some injury news there, and let's now get to just

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Speaker 1: some things maybe that make us go, you know, before

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Speaker 1: Just something that's on your radar. Oh, I'm cheating. I

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Speaker 4: You go first?

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Speaker 1: Then, okay, well this is more of a news item,

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Speaker 1: but it also does make just that Jake Hayner was

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Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

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Speaker 4: You can't you can't quit the Saints.

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Speaker 2: You love, No, We'll be there. Tyler Schuck was taken

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Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler is obviously clearly more talented and this guy

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Speaker 1: Jake Hayner, who our friend Adam.

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Speaker 2: At All Time player photo shoot. Yeah, Blake Block Party podcast.

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Speaker 1: This gives me an excuse to send out the Jake

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Speaker 1: Hayner photo shoot from a year ago, you know where

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Speaker 1: he just modeled it up and I loved it. For like,

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Speaker 1: his NFL team photos is getting equal time. I just

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Speaker 1: think it's been under the radar that he's still getting

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Speaker 1: first team reps. And it's Adam's theory that Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: just sees himself in Jake Hayner basically and underpowered, doesn't

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Speaker 1: by playing quick, yeah from the neck up. But like

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Speaker 1: you're those are reps that Tyler shook. Your second round

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? It's like the other It's

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Speaker 1: like the year they drafted Trevor Lawrence and they didn't

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Speaker 3: I will say one of my favorite things is when

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Speaker 2: One thing that made me.

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Speaker 2: But neither here nor there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, don't don't bring up tennis stretched beforehand, Bo Wolf.

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Speaker 1: He beat me in Arizona before this Super Bowl a

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Speaker 4: Ye I was going to say, hey, Zach, you and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, old co workers everyone. Bo always just tried to

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Speaker 1: start about what could go wrong for the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: I want to I want to hear actually from Zach.

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Speaker 1: You're out there each and every day, what is the

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Speaker 1: one thing you think could go wrong for the Eagles

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Speaker 1: this year that would not allow them to get back

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I would say the pass rush.

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Speaker 7: If if the pass rush is not what it needs

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Speaker 7: to be, because there are questions on the edge, right,

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Speaker 7: that's that's that's really my big question about this team.

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Speaker 7: They lose Josh Sweat, they lose Brandon Graham, they trade

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Speaker 7: Bryce Huff and they're they're relying on Noan Smith and

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Speaker 7: Jex Hunt taking a big jump, and then some free

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Speaker 7: agent acquisitions and really their interior rush to be big factors.

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Speaker 7: So I think that if the pass rush isn't good enough.

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Speaker 7: That's that's my biggest question going into the season.

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Speaker 3: Outside of the starting group, who among that defensive line

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Speaker 3: are you not only expecting to take a step forward,

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Speaker 3: but needs to take a step forward this year in

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Speaker 3: order to actually bring that unit to life again.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the two names I would really point out is

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Speaker 7: on on the edge, Jaelx hunt Well, I know he's

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Speaker 7: the he's the starting group, but then on the interior,

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Speaker 7: Morol Ojamo is a big time player for them. He's

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Speaker 7: he's filling in for Milton Williams, so he's he's a

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Speaker 7: starter as as well. And so it really comes down

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Speaker 7: to players who were role players last year filling in

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Speaker 7: for Josh Swett, filling in for Milton Williams.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the.

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Speaker 7: Depth, either Josh Uce or Azizo Jalari needs to step

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Speaker 7: into that number three job. But it's really going to

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Speaker 7: be the top edge rushers because Vic Fangio doesn't have

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Speaker 7: that that four man, five man rotation that Eagles have

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Speaker 7: had in the past. So it's it's really about the

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Speaker 7: top five to six players on that front getting to

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Speaker 7: the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Feel free. Let just interrupt him, Bo.

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Speaker 5: Like we'll surprise you if you've listened to our show

478
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Speaker 5: to know that I disagree with Zach. To me, the

479
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Speaker 5: biggest question mark is the secondary because you think about

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Speaker 5: the defense last season. You know, the Super Bowl was

481
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Speaker 5: one thing. It was great to see Josh Swett and

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Speaker 5: Milton Williams have those monster games. But that was the

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Speaker 5: best defense in football, not because they had a great

484
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Speaker 5: pass rush. It was the best defense in football because

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Speaker 5: they had an unbelievable back seven and especially the best

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Speaker 5: secondary in football, thanks in large part to you know,

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Speaker 5: Cooper Degene and Quinyon Mitchell being so good as rookies,

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Speaker 5: and there were no weak links right now the way

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Speaker 5: they stand, there are maybe three week links in the secondary,

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Speaker 5: depending on where guys are going to play. You've got

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Speaker 5: Quinnyon Mitchell, who has looked amazing in camp thus far

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Speaker 5: and could be you know, in like all pro conversation,

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Speaker 5: you've got Red Blankenship penciled in as one of the

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Speaker 5: starters at safety as a solid player. Then it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Cooper degen is going to be on the field. We

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Speaker 5: don't know where yet. Is it going to be at safety,

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Speaker 5: is it going to be at nickel, Is it going

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Speaker 5: to be the other outside corner spot, probably not. And

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Speaker 5: then you've got Keey Ringo and Adorri Jackson right now

500
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Speaker 5: competing for the other spot and second round pick. True

501
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Speaker 5: maccouba was supposed to probably start at safety next to Blankenship,

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Speaker 5: but he's injured right now. And you know that for

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Speaker 5: rookies at that position with Dick Fanjo, missing time is

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Speaker 5: going to matter.

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Speaker 2: And so that is a question mark.

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Speaker 5: And if the second day is not as good as

507
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Speaker 5: it was last year, and if teams are just peppering

508
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Speaker 5: whoever that other corner is, then that the rush is

509
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Speaker 5: gonna have less time to get home. If the secondary

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Speaker 5: is as good as it was last year, which is

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Speaker 5: a high mark, then I'm not worried about the pass rush.

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Speaker 5: You've still got Jalen Carter, You've still got Nolan Smith.

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Speaker 5: I think Jelex Hunt will be fine. And more Ojamo

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Speaker 5: the Eagles do think can be like ninety percent of

515
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Speaker 5: what Milton Williams was So to me, it's much more

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Speaker 5: about the secondary.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of Ojabo talk on your podcast, a

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Speaker 1: lot of pop how well he's looked, a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about his name pronunciation change. Also, if you disagree

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Speaker 1: with with Zach, there you could point out that one

521
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Speaker 1: of Zach's points to support that the defense of you know,

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Speaker 1: the edge spot is is a big issue is that

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Speaker 1: Bryce Huff is no longer there, which seems like I

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Speaker 1: feel like they can replace those those snaps.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's that's really the key to the Eagle season,

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Speaker 7: that Bryce off trade.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask I wanted to ask you guys

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Speaker 3: too about you mentioned it bo in your point about

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Speaker 3: the secondary Cooper Degen again trying on different hats in

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Speaker 3: this defense. And I think we were really high on

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Speaker 3: him as a collective for group here double Studios for

532
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Speaker 3: group about the versatility that he had and then also

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Speaker 3: how he was going to really ascend into that like

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Speaker 3: big nickel star slot hybrid safety slot player that he

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Speaker 3: was last year. But do you think that there's a

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Speaker 3: potential here, because you're you're really not wanting to isolate

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Speaker 3: one of those unknowns at corner on the outside, do

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Speaker 3: you think there's a potential here that this is a

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Speaker 3: more matchup derived role for him moving forward? Like some

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Speaker 3: games like say they're playing a good, really good tight

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Speaker 3: end or a couple you see him back a little

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Speaker 3: bit closer to the box.

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Speaker 2: You see him in the slot. Maybe some games you

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Speaker 2: see him.

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Speaker 3: Back deeper at safety if they have a good, a

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Speaker 3: really good explosive passing game with receivers. I mean, how

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Speaker 3: do you see this sort of shaking out for Cooper

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Speaker 3: who uh humble Bragg came onto the show after the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl to talk with us, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is one. It was.

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Speaker 5: It is probably the most fascinating question about the defense

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Speaker 5: heading into this season. If Joe has talked about it,

553
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Speaker 5: probably is not about what is best for Cooper Degen.

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Speaker 5: It is about what is best for the rest of

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Speaker 5: the defense. And by that he means who are the

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Speaker 5: other guys who are going to be on the field, right,

557
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Speaker 5: And so if Drew mccuba was going to be ready,

558
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Speaker 5: then you can probably just keep Cooper Degen in the

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Speaker 5: nickel when they're in nickel, and you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: he brings so much versatility. He was he was great

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Speaker 5: for them last year so that they could stay in

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Speaker 5: nickel against heavy fronts because he was so good in

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Speaker 5: the box. There's a thought that you know, in the

564
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Speaker 5: spring he took some reps outside in base if if

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Speaker 5: the Eagles have more confidence in Macouba, for instance, than

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Speaker 5: Keeley Ringo or Adroy Jackson, that's where he would be.

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Speaker 5: But the larger conversation about like Cooper's versatility is it

568
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Speaker 5: goes to one that Zach and I have also disagreed

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Speaker 5: about over the years, and that is like the value

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Speaker 5: of a positionless player as as Zach calls it. You know,

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Speaker 5: Zach loves an Isaiah Simmons, the idea that like this

572
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Speaker 5: sack and just roam around on the defense.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're getting Isaiah Simmons hype in the year to

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Speaker 1: five and packers camp every training camp because you know

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Speaker 1: it looks great like in training camp before real football

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Speaker 1: is right, like Isaiah Simmons.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but if it doesn't work, then you have the

578
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Speaker 3: Isia Isaiah Simmons journey with the Cardinals. If it does work,

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Speaker 3: then you have the the Buddha Baker journey under a

580
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Speaker 3: vic Fangio disciple. Nonathan Gannon, that's all I'm saying. That's

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Speaker 3: all the same to me.

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Speaker 5: What this goes to is all of this this theory

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Speaker 5: is great until it comes time to have a game

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Speaker 5: plan for a week and the defensive coordinators need a

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Speaker 5: guy to play a position. And if you think about

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Speaker 5: the vic Fango defense, last year, and what was so

587
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Speaker 5: great about it was they had like they had eleven

588
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Speaker 5: guys who were on the field and they didn't really

589
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Speaker 5: have to rotate a ton and they all knew exactly

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Speaker 5: where they were supposed to be. And so to me,

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Speaker 5: it is it is Cooper Degene is probably right now

592
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Speaker 5: their best or second best safety, their best nickel, and

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Speaker 5: probably their second best outside corner, and he can play

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Speaker 5: all of those different positions. But he's going to play

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Speaker 5: those positions. He's not gonna he's not going to be

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Speaker 5: like freelancing around. And so to the matchup question that

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Speaker 5: you asked, Jordan, I think that quenya and Mitchell is

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Speaker 5: actually the guy here because I've seen him last year.

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Speaker 5: He played all on the right side throughout most of

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Speaker 5: the summer. In the spring, he's worked on the left

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Speaker 5: side to prepare for the possibility that he's going to

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Speaker 5: be shadowing number one receivers, especially because they're going to

603
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Speaker 5: be weak on the other cornerback spot. And last summer

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Speaker 5: we saw Quinnyon play inside as well before he earned

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Speaker 5: that outside job. So I think the matchup thing here

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Speaker 5: is that maybe Quinnyon is going to be following guys

607
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Speaker 5: and then you just figure out which position Cooper Degene

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Speaker 5: is going to play.

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Speaker 2: But go ahead, Zach No, I think you put it well.

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Speaker 7: I think that there's probably a better term than positionless

611
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Speaker 7: multi position, and I agree with Jordan that there are

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Speaker 7: certain weeks when the matchup's favorable. You know, you think

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Speaker 7: about someone like Marlin Humphrey who can line up in

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Speaker 7: the slot, lineup outside, that could be a comp for

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Speaker 7: Cooper the Gene. You could also look at like Devin

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Speaker 7: mccordy's career trajectory as something that Cooper the Gen could

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Speaker 7: do where he slides to safety and he's so impactful there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he is such a valuable player for them.

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Speaker 7: I also think, and this isn't a twenty twenty five question,

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Speaker 7: but long term, the Eagles need to think, like, what's

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Speaker 7: what's the most valuable spot for him? If he can

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Speaker 7: be a top outside corner as we've seen, that's a

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Speaker 7: twenty five to thirty million dollar position, right. So, I

624
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Speaker 7: mean this is not a Vic Fangio question, that's a

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Speaker 7: Howie Roseman question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Cooper Degen's agent question.

627
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I'm fascinated to see where Cooper is long term.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you guys doubted. I heard, you know, you

629
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Speaker 1: were putting some shade on that he got ranked. You

630
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Speaker 1: were surprised in the top seventy from the players, he

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Speaker 1: was sixty.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was wild. He's a lot of better

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Speaker 2: player than Jordan Mailatta.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's fair, but that's my A lot has

635
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Speaker 1: ranking like that. Didn't seem that crazy to me. You

636
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Speaker 1: guys were there, Zach. You literally wrote the book on

637
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: the Eagles championship season. Everyone should check out Leap Year

638
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: when it comes out, But I mean they appreciate that

639
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: the defense just completely changed. Because I do think one

640
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Speaker 1: of the bigger questions and I don't want to spend

641
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Speaker 1: the whole time on Degene. I want to hear what

642
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: you guys have seen on the ground too, But to wrap,

643
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Speaker 1: I do think one of the bigger questions with him

644
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Speaker 1: is not just where he's playing, but his rookie season

645
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: was so unique, Like he there is an argument that

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Speaker 1: he could potentially be on like a defensive Player of

647
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Speaker 1: the Year type of player, all Pro year after year,

648
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Speaker 1: hall of Fame type of trajectory, because I just haven't

649
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Speaker 1: seen many players in the secondary have that kind of

650
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Speaker 1: rookie season, and yet you guys are poo pooing that

651
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Speaker 1: he's even like a top seven.

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Speaker 3: So and I think what they're saying, and I'm kind

653
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Speaker 3: of parsing this from Bow because he brought up a

654
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Speaker 3: really good point here is I think it's a two

655
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Speaker 3: part question. It's Cooper Dejen and Quinjon Mitchell. Yes, And

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Speaker 3: I think the big question, which then leads to a

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Speaker 3: million more questions, obviously as we watch this defense, this

658
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Speaker 3: version of the defense unfold, is how do you make

659
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Speaker 3: both of those guys unavoidable players when quarterbacks do not

660
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Speaker 3: want to throw to them? How do you get them

661
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Speaker 3: in the action and at the ball and involved in

662
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Speaker 3: as many snaps as possible when quarterbacks do not want

663
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Speaker 3: to f with them at all?

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Speaker 2: So how it's a two part question.

665
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Speaker 3: In my mind, And it's not just Cooper, it's also

666
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Speaker 3: Quinjon Mitchell as a very very strong part of that.

667
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Speaker 1: See, I'm going to throw it back to you guys

668
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Speaker 1: thinking like it's more of a social thing. I heard

669
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Speaker 1: Boe even say it like maybe players are over radium

670
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Speaker 1: because they're so excited to see a white cornerback. But

671
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Speaker 1: I think you're going the other way and you're almost

672
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Speaker 1: like afraid to rate him for what a unique rookie

673
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Speaker 1: season that he had, because like, you know, you don't

674
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Speaker 1: want to just overhepes the guys.

675
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Speaker 2: This is trapped. No, no, no, yeah no.

676
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Speaker 5: I was very surprised that he ranked that high, knowing

677
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Speaker 5: how that process works.

678
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Speaker 1: That process is meaningless. Let's be real, it's just well, yeah,

679
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Speaker 1: I mean the ulus.

680
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Speaker 5: You know, they pop into the locker rooms and they

681
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Speaker 5: the guys have like fifteen minutes. They're like, I'm gonna

682
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Speaker 5: rank you here, you ranked me here, let's.

683
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Speaker 2: Talk about it.

684
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Speaker 5: I was surprised that before even the Super Bowl, when

685
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Speaker 5: he has that pick six, that the rest of the

686
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Speaker 5: league would have viewed him so high. And and honestly,

687
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Speaker 5: I do think part of that is because of the

688
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Speaker 5: visibility of him being a white cornerback. Not to say

689
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Speaker 5: that he is not awesome.

690
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Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I don't think that has has much to

691
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Speaker 7: do with it.

692
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Speaker 2: I think it has It has more to do with

693
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Speaker 2: how unique of a player he is.

694
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Speaker 7: And that's why, frankly, you know, to like like to

695
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Speaker 7: a dress Jordan's point, Quenya Mitchell is so sticky in coverage,

696
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Speaker 7: He's he's not as dynamic in terms of his ball skills.

697
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Speaker 2: He's he's not as physical a player.

698
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Speaker 7: So I want Cooper around the ball more so in

699
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Speaker 7: the slot or safety, and I want Quinnon to be

700
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Speaker 7: on the outside, shutting down the opposing team's top receiver.

701
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Speaker 2: See this would be a fun show on the top

702
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Speaker 2: one hundred. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Could I like that you're bringing up the Quinnyon that

704
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Speaker 1: they're they're a pair, because when else says it happened

705
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Speaker 1: that is.

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Speaker 4: A runner up for defensive rookie Right, when.

707
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Speaker 1: Else has it happened that that two guys in the

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Speaker 1: same second.

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Speaker 5: Nobody in the locker room would tell you that Cooper

710
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Speaker 5: Desien was better than Quinyon Mitchell last year.

711
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm saying they're very much connected in my opinion,

712
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Speaker 3: but you have to if that's the thing, it's deployment.

713
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Speaker 4: That's the big question.

714
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Speaker 3: Is make them both together the same part of the

715
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Speaker 3: same side of the equation. Make them both together as

716
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Speaker 3: unavoidable a tandem as you can.

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Speaker 4: It's it's going to be cool to watch.

718
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Speaker 5: And I do think from a like how does how

719
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Speaker 5: does Howie Roseman keep getting away with it standpoint, it

720
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Speaker 5: is fair to point out that when they took Quinnon Mitchell,

721
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Speaker 5: they were like debating to the last second, do we

722
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Speaker 5: take quinnyon Mitchell or Cooper de Gene?

723
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Speaker 4: Why not both?

724
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Speaker 2: Right and the rest of the league. Let them let

725
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Speaker 2: him have it. You know, that is a that is

726
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: a real thing.

727
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Speaker 5: You know. There's the video of Jeffy Leary when they

728
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Speaker 5: draft Cooper Rejean saying he went to bed last night

729
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: thinking about how can we make this happen? How can

730
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Speaker 5: we get you? So he was very much the the

731
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Speaker 5: white corner of their dreams.

732
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Speaker 1: And and speaking of you know, great tandems.

733
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Speaker 2: Uh. I like that Zach was polite and.

734
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Speaker 1: Understood that Jordan's point was fantastic, and he addressed Jordan's point,

735
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: whereas Bo and I are just trying to like annoy

736
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Speaker 1: our co hosts at all times and not actually addressing

737
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Speaker 1: those points. So I think I think we could work

738
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Speaker 1: well as a foursome, and we are.

739
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Speaker 2: I want to hear from a formula.

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Speaker 4: Here, yep, I agree, I agree.

741
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Speaker 1: I want to I want to hear Zach about some

742
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Speaker 1: things that you guys have seen there at camp that

743
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Speaker 1: the average fan Eagles fan or or just nationally wouldn't

744
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Speaker 1: be privy to that that you're seeing on the field. Uh,

745
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Jehad Campbell is out there. That was like a nice

746
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Speaker 1: surprise nationally, like whatever wherever you want to go on,

747
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: like what you're seeing out there, that's been eye opening.

748
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

749
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Speaker 7: So so, like I guess to answer this question, well,

750
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Speaker 7: I need to go with non high.

751
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Speaker 2: Profile players because I could say a J.

752
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Speaker 7: Brown looks really good and I don't think your audience wait.

753
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Speaker 4: Let me write that down. Let me write that down.

754
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Speaker 4: That's important.

755
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Speaker 2: I do like carrying that though.

756
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Speaker 1: Like I do like herrying that him and Quinn and

757
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: are going at it like that's exciting. But no, it'd

758
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Speaker 1: have to be a little more under the radar, like

759
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Speaker 1: John Campbell is definitely one that I'm curious.

760
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Speaker 7: Exactly day one of training camp, seeing Johat Campbell out

761
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Speaker 7: there was a bit of a surprise.

762
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Speaker 2: We didn't know well.

763
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Speaker 7: First off, Vic Fangio said it was gonna be August,

764
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Speaker 7: and then here it is in mid July and he's

765
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Speaker 7: out there.

766
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Speaker 2: He's working up the depth chart.

767
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Speaker 7: Now week one seems not just realistic, but I expect

768
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Speaker 7: him to be a starter in week one. And maybe

769
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Speaker 7: it's just because I've covered Vegas for fourteen seasons now

770
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Speaker 7: that I'm not used to seeing linebackers who look and

771
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Speaker 7: play like this, Like I mean, I saw Jordan Hicks

772
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Speaker 7: and Nigel Bradham and you know the Lake career, Demiko Ryans,

773
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Speaker 7: obviously Zach Bond last year. But the Eagles aren't known

774
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Speaker 7: for high level linebacker play. Jahad Campbell just looks different.

775
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Speaker 7: The length that he has, the speed in which he

776
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Speaker 7: plays with uh, you know, and he's still learning and

777
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 7: he's still rehabbing here, but you could his presence is

778
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Speaker 7: evident out there.

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Speaker 2: So that's one.

780
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Speaker 7: And then the other one, and I mentioned this earlier,

781
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Speaker 7: is that Moro Ojamo uh is so disruptive for the Eagles.

782
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 7: Jalen Carter hasn't been in team drills yet and you

783
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Speaker 7: just see the the how how on that on that

784
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Speaker 7: defensive interior.

785
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Speaker 2: You see the way Moro Ojmo is playing.

786
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Speaker 7: Now the caveat is he's going against Tyler Steen, And

787
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 7: Tyler Stein's the big question on the Eagles offensive line.

788
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 7: Really they have four All Pro Pro Bowl Caliper lineman

789
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Speaker 7: and then a right guard.

790
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Speaker 2: Question.

791
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Speaker 7: So Tyler Steen, this is you know, something both talks

792
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 7: about in my six years doing the show with him,

793
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 7: is in these training camp settings, is it your you know,

794
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 7: the player who's playing well, is that good or the

795
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 7: player he's playing against the struggling And so I'm fascinated

796
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 7: to see how the right guard situation shakes out.

797
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Speaker 3: It's that it's interesting to me because I Jod Campbell,

798
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: you almost have to understand what all he can do.

799
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Speaker 3: If you're Vic Fangio and his and his coaching staff

800
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: understand and like, okay, can he move around? For example,

801
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: because they're pretty good, they're going to be fine at

802
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: inside linebacker and you know in the foreseeable future, but like,

803
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: can he move around? Do you expect I mean, if,

804
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: like you mentioned at the top of the show, if

805
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: this pass rush doesn't quite pop the way that they

806
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: wanted to, if they don't have that extra player so

807
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: they can rotate their fronts the way that they want

808
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Speaker 3: them to. Is is he a player who you could

809
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: see moving around? He was one of our favorite prospects

810
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Speaker 3: coming out in the draft for that reason because you

811
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Speaker 3: really saw a limitless potential with with where you could

812
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Speaker 3: play him well.

813
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Speaker 5: And it's it's interesting because the ceiling for Jahan Campbell,

814
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: like the upside feels like Zach Bond being able to

815
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Speaker 5: do everything and have that physical presence and so in

816
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 5: you know, in the dreams of Vic Fangio, having the

817
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 5: ability to have both of those guys on the same

818
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Speaker 5: on the fields at the same time, both being able

819
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: to do everything does feel like it unlocks some things.

820
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 5: And you know Howie Roseman, you talk about the versatility

821
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 5: when they drafted him, he threw the Michael Parsons conversation.

822
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Comp on him.

823
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 5: And by the way, that's the second time this offseason

824
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 5: somebody from the Eagles has done that. Jordan Malata gave

825
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: just through that to Jalx Hunt earlier this summer. I

826
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 5: wonder if that's like a needle poke, a purposeful needle

827
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 5: poke from the Eagles to the Cowboys. But with John Campbell,

828
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Speaker 5: he's been given a little bit more to do every

829
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Speaker 5: day at camp so far. So you know, he starts

830
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Speaker 5: working with the twoes and he starts getting sprinkled in

831
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Speaker 5: with the ones. Yesterday or Tuesday's practice, we saw him

832
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Speaker 5: practice like calling the place with the defense for the

833
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Speaker 5: first time, with Zach Bond off the field for the day.

834
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: And so yeah, my expectation is that come week one,

835
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 5: those two guys are gonna be on the field together

836
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: on every down. And and Vick is going to have

837
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 5: some interesting stuff for them to do. I love that

838
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 5: Zach Bond.

839
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Speaker 1: If you had told me a year ago that Zach

840
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Speaker 1: Bond would have this sort of impact, not just that

841
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: he got that big contract and that he was so

842
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: key to like winning the sewer row, but literally, I

843
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: think the rest of the league is thinking about linebackers

844
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: in a way that, like you, you're inside linebackers better

845
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: be able to be part of the pass rush or

846
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: else you kind of can't keep him on the field anymore.

847
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: And John Campbell, I do wonder if he could be

848
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: like a Donta High Tower type of player. I know

849
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: he's not nearly as big, but I'm excited. That makes

850
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: me think about Vic in.

851
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: The dreams of Vic Fangium, Mike said, I know my

852
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: question more title for.

853
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: You guys, is Vic Fangio the last honest, notable NFL

854
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: coach at the podium?

855
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: I think so, and it is. It is such a pleasure.

856
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: I love it.

857
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 5: I mean, yesterday, so to take you through it, we

858
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: got we had plays practice where like Healey Ringo and

859
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 5: a Dori Jackson had been sort of rotating every other

860
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: drill essentially as who was going to be the first

861
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 5: team outside cornerback, and on Monday, Dori Jackson got more

862
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: of the reps. It seemed like it had changed a

863
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: little bit and it was maybe going in his favor.

864
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: And so the questions to Vic Fanjo the morning before

865
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 5: the next practice, He's asked about a Dori Jackson as

866
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Speaker 5: if that's the way that the competition's going, and like

867
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: he could not have thrown more cold water on a

868
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 5: Dori Jackson if he was like, no, he's talking about Listen,

869
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 5: this guy. He's got to prove who he thinks he

870
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 5: can be, Like the way he didn't resign him, The

871
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: Giants didn't resign him. I didn't even watch tape on him.

872
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 5: Howie Roseman said he wanted him. How he gets who

873
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: he wants, Like, I love it. He's talking about him

874
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: the way that he talked about Devin White and Bryce

875
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 5: Huff last summer. And so like all of a sudden,

876
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 5: Kiler Ringo gets all the reps yesterday.

877
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Speaker 2: Maybe not so fast with the Dory Jackson. Yeah, my

878
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: answer to that question is I hope not.

879
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 7: I'm thirty nine years old doing this for a long time,

880
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 7: So I hope he's not the last coach who answers.

881
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 5: Well, I think what you need is maybe he's the

882
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: last one right now, but when the other guys get older,

883
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 5: it's just that then they can stop caring too.

884
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 7: I'm an optimist by nature, So my hope is that

885
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 7: other coaches see that if you're a matter of fact,

886
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 7: if if like you, you say publicly what you say

887
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 7: behind the scenes. He still won a Super Bowl, he

888
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 7: had the number one defense. It didn't hurt him to

889
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 7: be transparent.

890
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: So I want to be doing that. But that will

891
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: not happen. But can't you see it's a good stump speech? Though, Yeah,

892
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: can't you see this blowing up?

893
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have more VIC stories, Zach,

894
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: but hearing that, hearing them basically say, well, that's like

895
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: a Howie guy, It's that one of my guys. Like

896
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: the fact that he's feeling willing to say that publicly,

897
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: my mind immediately fast forward to the moment where this

898
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: all At some point things have to go wrong and

899
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: there will be some sort of VIC how he clashed.

900
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's in like twenty twenty eight, like it might

901
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: not be for a long while, but I do look

902
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: forward to the day that like Vic just says something

903
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: that is the entire storyline in Philadelphia for weeks on end.

904
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 7: I gotta say, though they spent seventeen million dollars on

905
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 7: a linebacker, they took a linebacker in the first round.

906
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 7: Yes year, they are not rotating edge rushers like they

907
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: did in the past. I think, I think how he

908
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 7: is all in on the Vic Fangio experience right now

909
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 7: being changed.

910
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

911
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 5: And for those of you know, for the national fans

912
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 5: who don't know this story, the funniest thing of the

913
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 5: Vic Howie interplay is the story of Zach Bond from

914
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 5: last year, where Vic tells the story basically that Howie

915
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 5: brings him, you know, tape of Zach Bond, like this

916
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: guy's going to be a good special teams player for us,

917
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: maybe like a fourth edge rusher will help out there.

918
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 5: And Vic watches like two minutes of tape. He's like, oh,

919
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 5: this is gonna be my starting inside linebacker, okay, right.

920
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: And never and never gave the other guys a chance

921
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: and just was there the whole time and meant what

922
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: he said.

923
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: I love it.

924
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love it.

925
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So you guys, because coming back from you know,

926
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 3: the highest of highs and We've seen this team compete

927
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: at the very highest level.

928
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: We've seen them lose a Super Bowl.

929
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: We've seen we saw the entire season unfold like a

930
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: slow moving car crash after that, and then they rebounded

931
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: and won the entire thing. This is a Jalen Hurts

932
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: offensive line, Saquon Barkley receivers question, but it's also an

933
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: ecosystem question as well. What did this group learn from

934
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: the last post super Bowl appearance that or if they've

935
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: learned anything that they can apply first and foremost to

936
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball, but then also to

937
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: the general dynamic and energy of the team.

938
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a great question because it's it's something I've

939
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 7: thought a lot about, and I think you look at

940
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 7: this from front office.

941
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: Keep giving her a great question, best questions of the day,

942
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: best question.

943
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm not getting anything over here, but my antenna is

944
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: up there too. It's like this is pre planned.

945
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 7: So twenty eighteen was considerably different in that, you know,

946
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 7: the quarterback was coming off a major injury, it was

947
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 7: an older team.

948
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: Uh, and so I think the the.

949
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 7: Roster composition, the resources that they have, Uh, it's considerably

950
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 7: different there. But I think from you know, and then

951
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 7: you can even see in like their approach in twenty eighteen,

952
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 7: Doug Peterson's message was this is the new normal, right

953
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 7: And actually, like a few days before the season, Malcolm

954
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 7: Jenkins even told Doug Peterson to take all the Super

955
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 7: Bowl stuff out of the locker room. They were clinging

956
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 7: on too much. The mess from the Eagles very much

957
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 7: now is that was last year. They're not even defending champs.

958
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 7: But from an offensive perspective, I think what I'm real

959
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 7: curious to see is how much they lean into what

960
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 7: they did last year compared to how much they evolve.

961
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 7: So if you think about twenty twenty two going in

962
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty three, the offense did not evolve.

963
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: The offense.

964
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 7: What they tried to do was was refined what they

965
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 7: did well the year before, and it was not a

966
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 7: good offense or not a consistent offense in twenty twenty three.

967
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 7: Nick Sirianni's spoken quite a bit right now about evolution,

968
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 7: and so I really think that I expect them the

969
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 7: pass to all more. I expect them to be more

970
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 7: dynamic through the air. And they are Eagles fans who say, wait,

971
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 7: you have Saquon Barkley, you have the best offensive line

972
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 7: in the NFL. Why not just stick to what they

973
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 7: did last year. I don't expect that to be the case.

974
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 7: I think this is going to be an offense that

975
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 7: evolves from last season.

976
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be marginal.

977
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 5: I think they're still going to want to lean mostly

978
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 5: on Saquon Barkley, but they need to take more shots

979
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: downfield than they did last season. You know, Jalen Hurts

980
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 5: is so good at throwing the ball downfield, and that

981
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 5: was his lowest percentage in his career in throwing the

982
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 5: ball twenty yards or more downfield. AJ Brown needs the

983
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 5: ball a little bit more. He spoke earlier this offseason,

984
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: at the beginning of camp. He's like, listen, I think

985
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: I'm the best receiver in football. I want to put

986
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 5: a stamp on it this year, but I also want

987
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 5: to do what's best for the team, and I will.

988
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 5: And that is a tough thing for him, not in

989
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: like a locker room drama standpoint, but in a he

990
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 5: thinks he's the best receiver in football. I don't disagree

991
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 5: with him. Every time they throw him the ball, it's

992
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 5: going to be a good result. You know, his yards

993
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 5: per target is higher than Saquon Barkley's yards per carry.

994
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 5: But the team has built a certain way and they

995
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 5: want to lead on that offensive line. That's and that's reasonable.

996
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 5: I do think, you know, we it is interesting compared

997
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 5: to two years ago, we spent so much time talking

998
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 5: about what is the defense the offense going to look like.

999
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 5: With a new offensive coordinator in Brian Johnson, Jalen Hurts

1000
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 5: has another new offensive coordinator again, this happens to him

1001
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 5: every year. And we haven't talked a lot about Kevin Patulo.

1002
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: It hasn't really been a big story in Philadelphia again,

1003
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 5: and I don't know if that is because he and

1004
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: Sirianni are so closely linked. And you think back to

1005
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 5: what went wrong in twenty twenty three, some of it

1006
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 5: was that I don't think that Nick Sirianni fully trusted

1007
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 5: just handing over the keys to the offense to Brian Johnson,

1008
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 5: and he was incentivized in his mind to meddle a

1009
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 5: little bit more and be more involved in the offense.

1010
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 5: I think that will be less the case because Petullo

1011
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: is his guy. And I also think, you know, maybe

1012
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 5: just the lessons of what happened in twenty twenty three matter.

1013
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 5: But the other truth is that more than it's Nick

1014
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: Sirianni's offense and Kevin Petullo's offense, it's Jalen Hurts his offense.

1015
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 5: And I think you're still going to see sort of

1016
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 5: the same target distribution that you have always seen under

1017
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts, and it's going to come down to what

1018
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 5: he does more so than what Petulo does.

1019
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: And it was a mediocre offense for most of last year.

1020
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: That's the craziest thing to be It was thirteenth in

1021
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: efficiency according to DVOA. And then you see Jalen Hurts

1022
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: at his very best obviously in those two Super Bowls,

1023
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship, and it has such a high ceiling,

1024
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: so there's so much room for improvement. I think that's

1025
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: that's reason to be happy. But you said it hasn't

1026
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: been a big story. I mean, Kevin Patula will be

1027
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: a big story like September fifth. If they have a

1028
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: bad offensive like Opening Night, then suddenly it's it's the

1029
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: biggest story in town. You guys are the best at

1030
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: what you do.

1031
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: I love listening to you.

1032
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: Check out the pH l Y Eagles podcast. Check out

1033
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: Zach Berman's writing wherever it is. And uh, yeah, Jordan

1034
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: played high school tennis, so I'm feeling good. If we

1035
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: get out there, it is on. I know you're not

1036
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: supposed to root, but root for the Eagles to get back.

1037
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Uh and then somewhere in the San Francisco area we're

1038
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: going to be there anyway. Okay, then we're doing it.

1039
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: It's happening, Zach.

1040
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 4: You get a studio like that and not go to

1041
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: super Bowl.

1042
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: Start practicing, start practice. We'll see you guys. Appreciate it.

1043
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: Thanks guys. That was great. Never get tired of talking

1044
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: to them.

1045
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: I love them so much. Oh my gosh, Oh my god.

1046
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: How excited did you get hearing about youd Campbell. I

1047
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 3: got goosebumps. I'm I'm so freaking stoked. That's awesome.

1048
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: And he will be playing in the preseason and yeah,

1049
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: we're going to have you covered all preseason long with

1050
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: our takeaways every Sunday night, Me and Shook.

1051
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: But we still got a little time.

1052
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: Yes, our next show is going to be the first

1053
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: fantasy football show of the season. We're going to do

1054
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: a primer with two of the best in the game,

1055
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: Evan Silva and Pat Dherty to at road Worth but

1056
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: we'll also have a little update from the Hall of

1057
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: Fame game to start the show. Yes, that's right, Our

1058
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: next show is actually going to recap a football game.

1059
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: Being played in America on a football field. Football's back