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Speaker 1: a lot we've got to get to that happened over
Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours. And we're also going to
Speaker 1: previously Philadelphia offense going up against this Cowboys defense that
Speaker 1: because of what happened over the last twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: is probably going to bid be a little bit different
Speaker 1: looking come Sunday. Isaiah stand back, our residence super Bowl champion,
Speaker 1: our Cowboys insider, mister Rob Phillips, and everybody's favorite mister
Speaker 1: Heck Maharrison. This sultry voice of heck Ma Harrison I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's glass, you're with us? And oh yeah, And
Speaker 1: now I just want to I want to preface this
Speaker 1: by saying, we kind of talked about this in terms
Speaker 1: of where do you start. Where do you start with personnel,
Speaker 1: do you start with coaching, do you start with the
Speaker 1: front office? Where do you start addressing changes? Where do
Speaker 1: you start making changes in terms of the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: their makeup of a roster or a staff or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to talk about. And we all kind of
Speaker 1: set the players. We said that at this point, whenever
Speaker 1: there's a change of the coach staff and yet it
Speaker 1: gets worse, it ultimately probably goes on the talent of
Speaker 1: the players. Will Rob. Yesterday they started to address that
Speaker 1: trading Everson Griffin to the Detroit Lions for a sixth
Speaker 1: round conditional pick, one that could potentially turn into a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick. But dissect this deal for me, Rob
Speaker 1: and tell us how it is a win for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and also it's a little bit of a win
Speaker 1: for Everson Griffin. Yeah, they save I think three million bucks,
Speaker 1: you know, half his salary for this season or what
Speaker 1: he was going to make ultimately on the one year deal.
Speaker 1: And look, you know if he was going to leave
Speaker 1: in free agency next year, you're trying to get a
Speaker 1: compensatory draft pick, so you kind of look at it
Speaker 1: that way. And on the other side of it, it's
Speaker 1: opening up snaps for younger guys, guys that you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they look at it and say, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a significant drop off. To be quite
Speaker 1: honest with you, they want to get Randy Gregory Moore snaps.
Speaker 1: I believe he had six against Washington in his season debut.
Speaker 1: You've been on the table for Bradley and I Kyle
Speaker 1: number fifty six. Yes, I have in weeks and weeks,
Speaker 1: and he might definitely get more snaps now. Duran's Armstrong
Speaker 1: might get more snaps now as well, and we'll see
Speaker 1: how it goes. I think we've been talking for a
Speaker 1: while that you know, this didn't seem like a fit,
Speaker 1: even though I think when he got signed during training camp,
Speaker 1: I think the only thing missing on this show was balloons.
Speaker 1: Many everybody was pretty excited about it. Yeah, but as
Speaker 1: we'll continue to get into you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: the moves they made on the defensive side of the
Speaker 1: ball have not worked out, and there may be more
Speaker 1: changes coming, and Rob made it. Rob makes a good point, though.
Speaker 1: The thing is is as a show, we say it
Speaker 1: with our chest quite a bit, and we're very excited,
Speaker 1: we're very passionate, and we're also opinionated, but we'll also
Speaker 1: say it with our chest with like we were wrong.
Speaker 1: We we missed this one. We all missed it, and
Speaker 1: we weren't alone in that regard. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of cow Nation was rejoicing heck on that signing, but
Speaker 1: it just ultimately didn't pan out. Hey, man, I wrote
Speaker 1: a song you want to hit y. I was wrong. Man.
Speaker 1: I feel like one of those one of those promotional
Speaker 1: dummies they put the area and it's just like doing
Speaker 1: like I cannot believe this season. I mean you talking
Speaker 1: about grand opening, grand closing for ever said Griffin that
Speaker 1: just didn't work out, and just seeing him on the field,
Speaker 1: it just seemed like the chemistry was never there. And
Speaker 1: just talking about the when he you know, came out
Speaker 1: talking about wanting to be in a three point stands
Speaker 1: versus the two point standing, all of those things were
Speaker 1: telltale signs that we were going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: And you know, um Champ, You've made a lot about culture.
Speaker 1: You've made a lot about how you get this thing
Speaker 1: right right the ship h and it starts with getting
Speaker 1: rid of guys that are not effective. I think they
Speaker 1: have to do something. They had to do something because
Speaker 1: right now they're not They're not able to get the
Speaker 1: attention of the players. And this was just that kind
Speaker 1: of move, just to say, all right, put it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm putting everybody on notice. And trust me, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of guys right now that are packing up
Speaker 1: this stuff. Your buddy, we talked about this a lot,
Speaker 1: and absolutely right you guys, we are we are grown
Speaker 1: men on here. We'll tell you when we're wrong and
Speaker 1: when we at least when we believe it wrong, and
Speaker 1: when we are wrong. Um, and we I think we
Speaker 1: all nobody. I don't think anybody in the in the
Speaker 1: country expected this to not go well. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: I think you know, by picking up Jerald McCoy, by
Speaker 1: picking up Griffin, by picking up Pole, you know, you
Speaker 1: thought you had some vets that we're gonna come out
Speaker 1: here and continue to do what they've done historically, and
Speaker 1: that just hasn't been the case. McCoy got hurt. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, Poe's been playing Pole Griffin. Uh just didn't
Speaker 1: work seemingly. Um. And we alluded to you already alluded
Speaker 1: to you know him, you know, talking, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of leaking out some stuff, right we talking about the
Speaker 1: soda can right, that soda pop. You know, he leaked
Speaker 1: out a little stuff earlier on talking about you know,
Speaker 1: I put my hand in the ground. Oh really, Oh really,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. So he just seemedly didn't fit in,
Speaker 1: you know. But kudos and hats off to Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: I know there's always a question mark as to who's
Speaker 1: you know, who's calling the shots now? Is that Jerry?
Speaker 1: Is it Steven? Who's really doing it? Guess what? This
Speaker 1: was Jerry Jones letting you, letting everybody know, like you said, heck,
Speaker 1: everybody's on notice, right what what the boxer saying? He
Speaker 1: said it can man, everybody can get it right. Um.
Speaker 1: And and this is this is is a high alert.
Speaker 1: This lets the entire locker room know. Trust me, when
Speaker 1: something like this goes down, everybody in the locker room
Speaker 1: goes ooh ooh, let me figure it out. So we
Speaker 1: may see some more moves and we may not see
Speaker 1: them some more moves until next week. This might have
Speaker 1: been a power move that that mister Jones made and
Speaker 1: then he's gonna wait and see are you guys gonna
Speaker 1: step it up this week? Or do I need to
Speaker 1: continue doing what I'm doing. And don't worry, we are
Speaker 1: going to get to the Tom Palaceero report here in
Speaker 1: just a little bit and maybe what that even means
Speaker 1: and things like that. But I want to stick with
Speaker 1: that Verson Griffin for now. And Isaiah, I know you
Speaker 1: had really been on that early whenever you talked about
Speaker 1: it a couple of weeks ago. I mean, we especially me,
Speaker 1: I'll admit it. I dismissed it from the get go
Speaker 1: when you were talking about how Everson Griffin was saying,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I'm not a two point stance guy,
Speaker 1: I want to put my hand in the ground and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, just kind of going against the
Speaker 1: flow of what the scheme change and not buying into
Speaker 1: what this defensive staff was selling. Is this really? Was
Speaker 1: that the domino the first one that started to fall
Speaker 1: that kind of led to this or was there other stuff,
Speaker 1: other smoke that kind of allowed this fire to happen.
Speaker 1: Oh No, there's definitely more smoke. I mean obviously we
Speaker 1: don't have b Car here, right. We talked about how
Speaker 1: we didn't have no solid information, but there were rumors, right,
Speaker 1: there are rumors that that b Car you know, made
Speaker 1: some statements in the locker room talking about how the
Speaker 1: coaches don't know what the heck they're talking about. Guess
Speaker 1: what b Car all right now by by then, right,
Speaker 1: So they get rid of guys like that, right, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're not getting with the program, if you're
Speaker 1: going to listen to in this league, okay, because I've
Speaker 1: been let go, because I've I've quote unquote challenged the
Speaker 1: rigam or I have my opinion. When you go against
Speaker 1: or youth or coaches feel as if you're threatening either
Speaker 1: their their authority or if you're challenging what it is
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get across to the rest of
Speaker 1: the players, they will get rid of you and all heartbeat. Right,
Speaker 1: So you either get with the program or you either
Speaker 1: just be quiet about it one of the two. Right,
Speaker 1: You don't have to be you know they don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say this league likes yes man, but
Speaker 1: this league doesn't like guys who go who have who
Speaker 1: voiced their opinions right, And obviously Griffin putting that out
Speaker 1: there to the media was him voicing his opinion. And
Speaker 1: guess what that opinion was against what this coach is
Speaker 1: trying to do. It was against the direction that these
Speaker 1: guys are going. And especially when you have veterans, right,
Speaker 1: guys who have been around, guys who have been successful
Speaker 1: in the past, and they voiced their opinion on what's
Speaker 1: being called. Guess what. That is a direct threat to
Speaker 1: these coaches authority and they can't have it and they
Speaker 1: won't have it in the locker room. So bye bye
Speaker 1: b car, Bye bye Griffin. Who's next? And especially you know,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to change an entire scheme him on
Speaker 1: the fly, it's hard enough to try to get that
Speaker 1: done and get it accomplished, So you're right, Like, I
Speaker 1: think that becomes even more significant when there's trying to
Speaker 1: be so many schematic changes going on and you're trying
Speaker 1: to get everybody to buy in, whether it's working or not,
Speaker 1: whether the message is getting through or not. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you know, they feel like they got to
Speaker 1: have buy in, and I think Griffin, I think Griffin
Speaker 1: was playing hard. I didn't see lack of effort from him,
Speaker 1: I think not at all. Know he had two and
Speaker 1: a half sacks. I thought he played pretty good the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. But yeah, it wasn't what they thought.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think they probably maybe they feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about Gregory coming in and an I coming
Speaker 1: in and seeing what they can do. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they view it like, oh, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna you know, I don't. I don't. I don't view
Speaker 1: this as a tank move. If that's what fans were wondering. No,
Speaker 1: the next year. I mean, if you're gonna get the
Speaker 1: same effort and you gotta get the same somewhat production
Speaker 1: out of out of Gregory and a nay anybody else
Speaker 1: who wants to step up, why are you going to
Speaker 1: pay additional three million dollars for it? Yeah? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty pretty simple, right if he's not, if he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a dominant force, I don't need to pay
Speaker 1: dominant force money. I mean, and when you look at it,
Speaker 1: that that's pretty simple. If I'm gonna have to deal
Speaker 1: with the lack of production from what I feel like,
Speaker 1: I'm the value that I'm getting right, the value proposition?
Speaker 1: What am I getting for what I'm paying for if
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm getting my full value, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to deal with somebody who's who has
Speaker 1: a veteran and who's very opinionated against with the regime
Speaker 1: of what we're trying to get accomplished. It's not worth
Speaker 1: the headache. It's not worth the headache, it's not worth
Speaker 1: my money. So guess what, I'm gonna cut bait. And
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Heck no, I mean they said
Speaker 1: it all. I believe that that's that's the way. And
Speaker 1: you you got to you got to applaud the front
Speaker 1: office for not staying the course on this. You have
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction and getting these younger
Speaker 1: guys involved and having an evaluation on Bradley and I
Speaker 1: finding out where Randy Gregory is. I mean, we've heard
Speaker 1: the reports coming out of the Star that Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is is back and he's in good health. He's in
Speaker 1: good mental health, and so now it's time to unlease
Speaker 1: this guy to see exactly what he's going to be
Speaker 1: in the future for the Cowboys. And if and if
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin was in the way of that, then you
Speaker 1: have to do what you have to do. And like
Speaker 1: I said, kudos to them for not staying the course
Speaker 1: with Everson Griffin or any of the players that are
Speaker 1: not being productive. Even if you're looking at this like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're trying to take or whatever, I think it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of saying, we can't stay with a guy
Speaker 1: that's not giving us the production that we're paying for.
Speaker 1: And heck, I think it's just the opposite, right I think.
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about yesterday about how this feels
Speaker 1: like this team just absolutely completely terrible and there's no momentum,
Speaker 1: there's nothing positive going on. But to the point, and
Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but it's true, they're still
Speaker 1: in it. They are still and there's still an opportunity
Speaker 1: to turn the season around. So if you are still
Speaker 1: trying to establish a culture, if you're still trying to
Speaker 1: get momentum going in a right direction, and you still
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to accomplish all your goals, if you
Speaker 1: set out aside from records, guess what you figure, you
Speaker 1: try to get this thing back on the tracks. Because
Speaker 1: because you're still in the game, this is an annulment.
Speaker 1: They annulled the relationship. Now whenever it comes to the
Speaker 1: defensive line and having Randy Gregory and let Bradley and
Speaker 1: I kind of get those snaps. Now, I'm not super
Speaker 1: hopeful because one, Bradley and I didn't get those snaps
Speaker 1: whenever Randy Gregory was it in the fold anyways. Two,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory coming in, he only had six snaps last week,
Speaker 1: But I'm not too worried about that, just based off
Speaker 1: the fact that looking at his coaching staff and the
Speaker 1: way that they've handled players coming back either from injury
Speaker 1: or I guess now suspension, they've kind of eased him
Speaker 1: back in. I mean, Laton vander esh saw thirty two
Speaker 1: snaps his first game back, and then he saw ninety
Speaker 1: seven percent of the snaps the other day against Washington,
Speaker 1: So he was back in the fold completely after one
Speaker 1: game of kind of getting that warm up, that tune up.
Speaker 1: So I think overall, you're going to see Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: a whole lot more. You're gonna see ninety four in
Speaker 1: the ball game, and hopefully that book ends what DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is doing on the other side of that defensive line. Now,
Speaker 1: we do have to get to this Tom palace Ero
Speaker 1: report because it's significant, especially since it's a couple of
Speaker 1: guys we've specifically talked about over the last couple of days.
Speaker 1: So pallas Ero on Twitter said the Cowboys haven't formed
Speaker 1: defensive tackle Dontari Poe in cornerback Darryl Worley, that they'll
Speaker 1: be released if Dallas can't trade them today, per sources.
Speaker 1: Big changes to continue for Dallas. So, of course this
Speaker 1: is just reports. It's nothing that we've seen outside of
Speaker 1: just sources. So Tom is a great reporter, He's somebody
Speaker 1: that's absolutely a respected voice in this business. However, if
Speaker 1: we see this happen today, are you guys going to
Speaker 1: be surprised? Relieved? What's the feeling around it, Rob, whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the reports that are happening and what
Speaker 1: could potentially unfold here in the next twenty four hours. Well,
Speaker 1: if it is accurate, I'm sure the Cowboys love that
Speaker 1: report getting out there as if they're trying to get
Speaker 1: for players. Yeah, yeah, I you know, well, well we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. I'll say this, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: when you look at just snap counts and you mentioned
Speaker 1: Griffin by the way, you know, if you want to
Speaker 1: be skeptical about or a little cynical about it. Gregory
Speaker 1: gets six snaps, Griffin gets a lot of snaps and
Speaker 1: gets traded two days later. You know, you're trying to
Speaker 1: maybe you're trying to showcase him a little bit, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, in that situation, even though I think he
Speaker 1: probably played what he normally plays. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Gregory's gonna play more going forward. As far as Worley
Speaker 1: and Poe, Uh, look at the snap counts, man. You know,
Speaker 1: Worley gives up an eighty r touchdown to Christian Kirk,
Speaker 1: He's benched, he's played, he played two snaps last week. Wow.
Speaker 1: Don Terry Poe his playing time has dropped consistently the
Speaker 1: last three games. It's the lowest snap counts he's had
Speaker 1: in the last three games. Justin Hamilton had more snaps
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle than he did last year. Whether they're
Speaker 1: here or whether they're not here, they're they're being phased
Speaker 1: out of the rotation basically. That's what we're seeing. Smaller
Speaker 1: doses for Poe, who started all seven games, but Worley
Speaker 1: wasn't a factor last week, So they're giving other guys opportunities,
Speaker 1: whether they stay on the roster or not. They're based
Speaker 1: on production, they're making moves, they're on defense and putting
Speaker 1: new guys in there, young guys, guys that are unproven,
Speaker 1: but just to see something different and see if it works.
Speaker 1: That's that the writing isn't on the wall pretty much.
Speaker 1: When guys are starting to get phased out in their
Speaker 1: rotation of young guys, a sudden to come in. And
Speaker 1: we've been talking about that, just the competition factor for
Speaker 1: this d line to try and get a spark, and
Speaker 1: that's why you see young guys like Hamilton. We started
Speaker 1: to see your young guy like Gallimore also get more time.
Speaker 1: I mean I believe he started. But in the instance
Speaker 1: of just going back to Evison Griffin, man, I don't
Speaker 1: think that there's ever been a captain this guy cut
Speaker 1: he was a captain last week. That's that's I think
Speaker 1: that was the weirdest part about it. But I don't
Speaker 1: believe that anyone is surprised about Poe or Worley. I mean,
Speaker 1: Worley has been on I mean just call them the
Speaker 1: usual suspect though on a lot of these big plays
Speaker 1: and just miscommunications, uh in the backfield and dB room
Speaker 1: and then pointing this out to the guy in every
Speaker 1: week he's still giving up these big plays, so he's
Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me, doesn't shock me at all. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, Tom Policero didn't do us any
Speaker 1: favors by leaking it, because now no one's gonna be
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would be willing to trade for
Speaker 1: either of those guys, so probably them being released out right.
Speaker 1: And again we don't know if these if these claims
Speaker 1: are valid at all, So let's just see and look.
Speaker 1: And you also, you're right, you don't know, um, but
Speaker 1: you know, as many injuries as there are around the leak,
Speaker 1: you just never know. You never know what a t
Speaker 1: might need potentially. I mean the injuries. It's not just
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, it's not just the Eagles. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of team hurt right now, so you just you never know. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear from from your perspective as a
Speaker 1: former player, what are those days like whenever you hear
Speaker 1: a report like that. And of course Pella Sero is
Speaker 1: just doing his job and he's hearing what sources are
Speaker 1: telling him. But now now it gets back around to
Speaker 1: the players, especially if it's true. Royally and Poe have
Speaker 1: already been told about this, So what is that day? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about bubble guts. I couldn't even imagine. Well,
Speaker 1: from from my personal experience, I've never been traded. I've
Speaker 1: been released at the end of camps, but I've never
Speaker 1: been traded in the middle of a season or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But what I can tell you is what
Speaker 1: happens in the NFL. And this has been going on
Speaker 1: for a very long time, and it seemingly has a
Speaker 1: change whenever there is something amiss, right whatever, there's something's
Speaker 1: about to go down, right, whether you're getting released or
Speaker 1: traded or whatever. I guess, well, your your reps kind
Speaker 1: of start just kind of just just just falling away, right,
Speaker 1: Your reps kind of just start disappearing. And as we're
Speaker 1: talking about these guys, reps getting cut back, and you know,
Speaker 1: this is what's happening. And they always tell you I
Speaker 1: can tell you know, I've been cut before. They say, hey,
Speaker 1: oh you know, we're just we're getting the young guys
Speaker 1: some reps. You know, we just want to just want
Speaker 1: to get those guys exposed a little bit. It's it's
Speaker 1: always the same, it's always the same reason. Oh you know,
Speaker 1: we just want to get the young guys some reps,
Speaker 1: you know, and see what they look like on film.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, we know what you can do.
Speaker 1: You know, we only let let you, let you rest
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's always the same. That's what they
Speaker 1: tell the players all the time. And what really is,
Speaker 1: what it really is happening is in the meeting room,
Speaker 1: they've already made their decision. Right and if Worthly, if
Speaker 1: if the if the if the statements are true, that
Speaker 1: Worthy and Poe have been put on notice and guess what,
Speaker 1: they won't be at practice today. They won't be at
Speaker 1: practice because you can't have you won't have two guys
Speaker 1: who are probably disgruntled. Now you won't allow them to
Speaker 1: come back in the building. So um, the fact that
Speaker 1: that it seems like that statement has something, that that
Speaker 1: report has some merit, because if they've been informed that,
Speaker 1: then you you also heard the second part of that
Speaker 1: is that they will be released today if they can't
Speaker 1: get a trade. Why is that because we can't allow
Speaker 1: you to come back on this team into building because
Speaker 1: now there's gonna be issues. We don't want you to
Speaker 1: have those issues in the locker room. It's definitely an
Speaker 1: interesting time around this Cowboys team. And I agree with
Speaker 1: Rob where I don't see the Everson Griffin move, nor
Speaker 1: either one of these moves that would potentially happen over
Speaker 1: the next couple of days to see it. I don't
Speaker 1: see it as a trade scenario or a tank scenario. Rather,
Speaker 1: I don't see it as tank moves overall. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that a little bit in the third
Speaker 1: segment because I've got a bold prediction whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys in their personnel changes in a positive manner.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna talk negatively about anybody. It's a positive thing.
Speaker 1: So I've got a bold prediction about it when we
Speaker 1: come back in the third segment. Well, however, after the break,
Speaker 1: we've got some matchups to preview. Whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: this Eagles offense in the Cowboys defense, we'll talk about
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Speaker 1: heck my Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeomans and guys, we gotta
Speaker 1: preview this, uh, this Cowboys Eagles matchup. And I wrote this,
Speaker 1: I wrote this in Big Picture yesterday. But usually whenever
Speaker 1: there's a battle for first place between the Eagles and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, it's a primetime matchup, and it's still going
Speaker 1: to be in primetime, but it's it's a matchup that
Speaker 1: everybody has to tune into because it's the rivalry, there's
Speaker 1: the pedigree, there's the history between these two teams. But
Speaker 1: this time there's a combined four wins between the two
Speaker 1: teams before before they meet on Sunday. But heckmo, whenever
Speaker 1: you look at this, yeah, we're in week eight exactly.
Speaker 1: We've had seven games and there's combined or fourteen games
Speaker 1: I guess between the two and they've combined for four wins.
Speaker 1: So heck, whenever you look at this this offense for Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: Carson wins and then it's a bunch of injuries. If
Speaker 1: we're being honest all the way through. What scares you
Speaker 1: the most whenever it comes to the Eagles on the
Speaker 1: other side of the line of scrimmage. Yeah, obviously what
Speaker 1: scares me is their running game because we hadn't been
Speaker 1: able to stop anybody. And even with the injuries that
Speaker 1: they have, it's they mirror us as far as the
Speaker 1: injuries that they've had to their offensive line, and so
Speaker 1: they're playing with a bunch of backups. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is a robbery game, So throw all the records
Speaker 1: out because it's it's Philadelphia in Dallas, right And I'm
Speaker 1: still I'm still ticked off about what happened last year. Man,
Speaker 1: we had an opportunity to win the division, had everything
Speaker 1: to play for, and we lost that game. So I
Speaker 1: had This is a game that I definitely had circle.
Speaker 1: But coach Peterson is going to have his offense ready
Speaker 1: to go. They deal with a bunch of formations that
Speaker 1: I believe that's gonna give our defense some problems. You
Speaker 1: guys talked about it as film study, and Isaiah eloquently
Speaker 1: laid it out, you know, just the way that they
Speaker 1: spread teams out. Carson Wentz is a twenty twenty version
Speaker 1: of himself right now, and it's just it's not good.
Speaker 1: He's uh has ten turnovers so far, and I think
Speaker 1: that is the one thing that's costing h this team.
Speaker 1: But he still has the moxie to bring these guys back,
Speaker 1: as you saw last week against the Giants. But as
Speaker 1: far as a matchup, it's Richard Rogers the tight end.
Speaker 1: I mean, even though Ernst and Goddard are hurt, they
Speaker 1: still have a tight end that could give us problems.
Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of that's the guys Greg
Speaker 1: ward Um and fold them the other receiver, those possession guys,
Speaker 1: but they still have the ability to stretch the field.
Speaker 1: So for me, I just want to see where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to apply that pressure because on that
Speaker 1: offensive line, like I said, they have a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys that are hurt so collapsed in the pocket and
Speaker 1: hopefully getting getting turnovers from wins is going to be
Speaker 1: the key to this game. Uh, yep, I agree. Heck,
Speaker 1: and if you guys haven't seen the film room with
Speaker 1: myself and Kyle. You guys need to gonna check that
Speaker 1: out so you guys understand what heck is talking something.
Speaker 1: Go to the website. M But you know these guys,
Speaker 1: the running game is nice. Um, they do something, they
Speaker 1: do some odd stuff. Many they do some stuff. I
Speaker 1: haven't even seen it. I've been around for a while.
Speaker 1: Um that deserves a play. Yesterday that we showed whether
Speaker 1: they pulled the left and the left guard and just gash,
Speaker 1: just gashed Baltimore. It's just it's crazy the type of
Speaker 1: stuff they're doing. But they want to spread you out
Speaker 1: the area that we've had issues and the thing that
Speaker 1: we put on film in week one against LA, which
Speaker 1: was misdirection, right, you maybe of LA came out and
Speaker 1: they were running bootlegs and nakeds left and right. And
Speaker 1: our linebackers are super aggressive, right, We know our linebackers
Speaker 1: are super aggressive. They want to play downhill, they want
Speaker 1: to come hit you. And now teams are running misdirection,
Speaker 1: running motions across the formation, running slide routes with running
Speaker 1: backs come out underneath the line of scrimmage and are
Speaker 1: now Jalen and those guys who are looking now, they're
Speaker 1: second guessing themselves. They know that they're aggressive, they're cognizant
Speaker 1: of that, and now all of a sudden they're seeing motion.
Speaker 1: Now they're like, I can't do what I really want
Speaker 1: to do, and it's messing them up. Man, they're getting
Speaker 1: all kinds of confused. And this team is gonna be
Speaker 1: no different. They're gonna run misdirection, they're gonna spread you out.
Speaker 1: They're gonna try to get our defense to go across
Speaker 1: the whole fifty three and a half yards of this field,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try to run right up the middle
Speaker 1: of this of this defense where we've had issues all
Speaker 1: year long. Man, Heck that game last year in Philly,
Speaker 1: that seems like a lifetime ago. He had Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: we had fans in the stands twenty twenty. Man, you
Speaker 1: guys are you guys are right on? Like the matchup
Speaker 1: that concerns me is Boston Scott for them US. He's
Speaker 1: five five five six running back and Miles Sanders has
Speaker 1: been really productive when he's been in there, but he's
Speaker 1: injured and I don't think he's gonna make it back
Speaker 1: this week. We'll see. I think he's a getting six
Speaker 1: yards per carry before he got hurt. But Boston Scott,
Speaker 1: you talked Isaiah about exactly what has been their problem
Speaker 1: is stretching you vertically and side to side where they've
Speaker 1: got to move latterly and in space. And you watch
Speaker 1: Boston Scott when he's had opportunities for them last year
Speaker 1: and then last week against the Giants in the passing
Speaker 1: game out wide, out of the backfield. He kind of
Speaker 1: has some sprolls to his game where he can do
Speaker 1: a lot, yes, a lot of different things for you.
Speaker 1: And he's tough talk, he's tough to diagnose, and he's
Speaker 1: tough to bring down. And with the Cowboys speed that
Speaker 1: we've seen defensively against a guy like Scott, I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a matchup issue. They've got to be
Speaker 1: ready for him and WinCE. It's not been a good
Speaker 1: year for him statistically, but I've been so impressed the
Speaker 1: last two games I've watched of him just battling out
Speaker 1: there with no offensive line. His top two tight ends hurt,
Speaker 1: that all of his receivers hurt except for some of
Speaker 1: the backups they've had in there, and he keeps grinding
Speaker 1: it out and fighting and trying to find a way
Speaker 1: buying time with his feet. They've got account for that,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's definitely not pretty with Wentz, but
Speaker 1: he's finding a way to get it done for them,
Speaker 1: or at least keep them competitive. Hey, Rob, Hey, and
Speaker 1: don't don't be surprised if you see a heavy dose
Speaker 1: of Jalen Hurts. Don't be surprised because this is they
Speaker 1: utilize him a lot against Baltimore, and we have a
Speaker 1: defense very similar to Baltimore and a lot less talented obviously,
Speaker 1: so um, Jalen Hurts has come in and he's been
Speaker 1: very effective. Man, So have your I have your intent
Speaker 1: as up for him. I think you'll also look at
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz in a different light at the end of
Speaker 1: this season than maybe you had previously, because previously, the
Speaker 1: whole stick around around Wins was the fact that he
Speaker 1: couldn't stay healthy one and two, he wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 1: clutch quarterback. But I think this year he's kind of
Speaker 1: turned that narrative around because, like Rob said, he doesn't
Speaker 1: really have a whole lot around him. It's a very
Speaker 1: similar situation that the Cowboys are dealing with and WinCE
Speaker 1: in the final two drives of that game on Thursday
Speaker 1: Night football win five of seven for one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty one yards and two touchdowns in order to go
Speaker 1: back to back seventy plus yard drives to win that
Speaker 1: football game. But they are two four and one. It's true.
Speaker 1: It's true, two four one. They suck. They are horrible also,
Speaker 1: all right, So it's just I have a hard time
Speaker 1: you poking up the egg. You put some respect on
Speaker 1: the division leaders. Okay, I can't. I'm incapable. I'm incapable.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're I don't think we're hyping up
Speaker 1: the Eagles. I think we're noting what. I'm sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: it just I just I just felt. I just felt that,
Speaker 1: you know, the hike machine was starting to ramp up
Speaker 1: a little bit, but the Eagles and not just I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have However, Yes, it's still going to be a
Speaker 1: tough matchup for this defense, which I guess if you
Speaker 1: throw the Alan Eagles out there, it might be a
Speaker 1: tough matchup for this defense. Right now, the Wakeland Wolverines,
Speaker 1: Frisco Lone Star Rangers. Now, with that being said, you
Speaker 1: look outside, and I mean I've been really impressed with
Speaker 1: what the Eagles have shown in terms of depth at
Speaker 1: wide receiver because you don't have alshon Jeffrey he's been
Speaker 1: out for a good amount of time. Of course John
Speaker 1: high Tower has been a draft pick, but really they
Speaker 1: also had de Sean Jackson who's on IR. They've had
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager who's on IR, and then Marquis Goodwin, who
Speaker 1: was their big addition this offseason. Of course opted out
Speaker 1: before the season and even got underway, but greg Ward
Speaker 1: has really stepped up for them. Travis fulgam is absolutely
Speaker 1: stepped up. He's played fantastic. I'm interested to see what
Speaker 1: you guys think about the wide receiving corp as a
Speaker 1: hole in one kind receiver. He is a huge receiver.
Speaker 1: And then also not to mention what they go up
Speaker 1: against matchup wise with the secondary and how treyvon Diggs
Speaker 1: and potentially Cheetah Alusier would match up against these guys,
Speaker 1: and I think they match up well, guys, and especially
Speaker 1: for Treyvon Diggs, who look man, he has had the
Speaker 1: full gamut of every I mean just start from week
Speaker 1: one all the way through. He's had a guy in
Speaker 1: front of him that is capable of making those making
Speaker 1: big plays and stretching the field. He just has to
Speaker 1: say assignment sound. He got caught with his hand in
Speaker 1: the cookie jar last week on that bomb, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's gone over the tape and doesn't like that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Folgum from Old Dominion is
Speaker 1: a dude that will stretch the film the field on you.
Speaker 1: And Grant Ward is a Texas kid. He just happens
Speaker 1: to play for the wrong team. He's also a great
Speaker 1: possession receiver. They do a lot of good things as
Speaker 1: a duo. They work really well together. But they got
Speaker 1: a lot of other guys as well. I mean Corey Klement,
Speaker 1: they're running back. He does a lot in the passing game.
Speaker 1: Um and and as Isaiah and Robert said, Man Scott Man,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a problem for us out in
Speaker 1: the flat and we've been susceptible in those areas, so
Speaker 1: look for Peterson to definitely try and expose us there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we look at when we talk about personnel, Kyle,
Speaker 1: personnel wise, I think we match up just fine. But
Speaker 1: it comes down to the scheme and our and our
Speaker 1: as we've seen on film, we like to run a
Speaker 1: lot of cover four and the reason why our flats
Speaker 1: have been the issues because in cover four you have
Speaker 1: four guys that are now going deep into the coverage,
Speaker 1: and you have three guys that you expect to cover
Speaker 1: fifty three and a half yards. So flat routs are
Speaker 1: going to be open all day long. And if you
Speaker 1: decide to try to have that that corner, try to
Speaker 1: squat on that right in terms of like a cover
Speaker 1: two type type setting, Well, now you have a hole
Speaker 1: behind him, right, So we have to figure out we
Speaker 1: have to figure out what we want to do scheme wise. Um,
Speaker 1: but personnel wise, I think we're fine. Um, but Mike Nolan,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do this week? Right? What would
Speaker 1: you do scheme wise? What would you do in order
Speaker 1: to switch that up from a Cover four into whatever
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this week against Philly? Oh, I'm playing
Speaker 1: I'm playing press man or I'm playing three all day long.
Speaker 1: I'm going to single high safety. I'm not allowing a
Speaker 1: team to run the ball on us. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: we've had guys beat us, but these guys are not
Speaker 1: the guys that Diggs, Diggs and company has faced this year. Um,
Speaker 1: they're not. I mean, you still respect them because they're
Speaker 1: in the league. You still respect them because they you know,
Speaker 1: they they're starters right now. But these aren't their main guys.
Speaker 1: These aren't there guys that they're expecting to beat you
Speaker 1: every single play in play out. Um, So I like
Speaker 1: our percentages in that regard. What I don't like our
Speaker 1: percentages on is our defensive line, right and I think
Speaker 1: even with going they're gonna go these guys go four
Speaker 1: wide to one side. I mean, these guys, they're gonna
Speaker 1: do some crazy stuff and they'll put four figures on
Speaker 1: one side and one on the other side and empty
Speaker 1: you out. Oh and by the way, Jalen Hurts it
Speaker 1: is one of the receivers, or he's at quarterback and
Speaker 1: hurt and Wins is one of the receivers. So I
Speaker 1: mean they're gonna they're gonna try to do some things
Speaker 1: to you. So why not just match up and just
Speaker 1: and challenge your defense, challenge your secondary to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put you guys into position all week long.
Speaker 1: We're gonna practice, we're gonna practice this, and our challenge
Speaker 1: to you is can you stick these guys man to man?
Speaker 1: When you when you call out a competitor, a true competitor,
Speaker 1: and you let him know the week in advance that hey,
Speaker 1: this is gonna rest on your shoulders. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: go zone defense. We're playing man all game long. It
Speaker 1: rests on you guys will step up, because nobody wants
Speaker 1: to be embarrassed. Man. If these guys are true competitors,
Speaker 1: which I believe most of them are, and hopefully get
Speaker 1: Cheeto back this week and hopefully that helps you. It's
Speaker 1: just a little better end, you know, to go back
Speaker 1: there and try to cover these guys. Sean Lee also,
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that, Isaiah. Now I like that, Isaiah.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you know press, man, cover three,
Speaker 1: all of those things. You want to give your guys
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make plays. Put a hat on the
Speaker 1: hat I call a cat coverage, and the these guys
Speaker 1: can play that coverage on the set of receivers. What
Speaker 1: I want to see from this defense is when you
Speaker 1: get punched in the mouth, what do you do right
Speaker 1: this open and drive? Because that's what's been the mo
Speaker 1: of this team. If something bad happens, the whole thing
Speaker 1: goes downhill. There's gonna be some adversity in this game.
Speaker 1: How are these guys gonna step up in that because
Speaker 1: you know that you are going to have to make
Speaker 1: a play defensively, especially if you have a rookie quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get off the field. I think part to your point,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what's happened. You know, it
Speaker 1: can be demoralizing when they when you get run on
Speaker 1: early and often and you're on the field a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think it has it has a snowball effect
Speaker 1: as the game goes on. I think that's what's happened too.
Speaker 1: They to Isaiah's point, upfront, they've just got to be
Speaker 1: more stout. I know the kind of the personnel is
Speaker 1: what it is. But if they don't stop the run, um,
Speaker 1: they're gonna struggle against every team they play the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. To me, that's been the the biggest
Speaker 1: problem they've had. That's what Jerry Jones talked about yesterday
Speaker 1: and what he said whenever he came to Hey, personnel
Speaker 1: changes are going to be coming because we have to
Speaker 1: stop the run. And maybe that's what that is. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just getting guys in there like Bradley and I
Speaker 1: or Randy Gregory or Justin Hamilton or a Neville Gallimore
Speaker 1: who want to play and who want to have those
Speaker 1: kinds of snaps, Well, they're gonna have a chance against
Speaker 1: a running game like the Philadelphia Eagles with also a
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Speaker 1: of course join us for breakfast tomorrow each and every day,
Speaker 1: but especially tomorrow nine fifteen because of Mike McCarthy pushing
Speaker 1: our pushing our show up. But we'll have some fun
Speaker 1: tomorrow out in the cold. Oh wait, wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: say that, but I'm gonna say it anyways, all right, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: stand back, het My Harrison, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeomans,
Speaker 1: and Isaiah. I'm curious because we were just talking about
Speaker 1: Greg Ward, who's a quarterback turned wide receiver. Do you
Speaker 1: guys have a group text of quarterbacks turned wide receivers
Speaker 1: when they get into the NFL? Do you guys like
Speaker 1: have any kind of talking back and forth? Is there
Speaker 1: any any connection there between y'all two not on a
Speaker 1: group text on me? And it is just four three
Speaker 1: forty club. That's it. It's four threason under. That's it,
Speaker 1: for threason under. Okay, okay, that was a subtle flex.
Speaker 1: You didn't even want to talk about our groups at
Speaker 1: the same time and not at all like that's not
Speaker 1: us headman three. Sorry, you guys are in training. You
Speaker 1: guys are in training, absolutely not. I mentioned this a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier whenever he comes to the personnel changes
Speaker 1: in some of the roster moves that we've seen over
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours, and of course the Cowboys
Speaker 1: trading Everson Griffin. The report comes out about maybe Don
Speaker 1: Tari Poe or Daryl Worley would be on the move
Speaker 1: as of today, and how we don't really see that
Speaker 1: as a tank scenario. We don't see it as tanking moves. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got a bold prediction for you guys. We've only
Speaker 1: got like five minutes to address it. However, I think
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are not done making moves like that
Speaker 1: of unloading talent. But I also don't think they're in
Speaker 1: terms of bringing someone in. I think they might be
Speaker 1: trying to look for a defensive tackle. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that off of anything that I've heard. It's just a
Speaker 1: gut feeling that we're I'm saying it with my chest.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a possibility to maybe go out
Speaker 1: and get a little interior line play or maybe try
Speaker 1: and find somebody out there that's available via trade without
Speaker 1: giving up too much. Nobody wants to touch that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I think there's always a possibility. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: the situation seemingly fits. But I think that I think
Speaker 1: this this front office is done with the veteran projects
Speaker 1: right for this year at least, I think they've they swung.
Speaker 1: They swung hard, right, They swung with three three of
Speaker 1: them on the defensive line. Three miss so three misses right,
Speaker 1: which we thought were just you know, sure shots. You
Speaker 1: thought it was just all day long, but they weren't that.
Speaker 1: So I think now they're just gonna rest in there,
Speaker 1: and they're young guys, and they're gonna allow their they're
Speaker 1: young guys to kind of you know, spread their wings
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think if they do bring in
Speaker 1: another veteran at any position, I think it has to
Speaker 1: be on the back end, And I think it has
Speaker 1: to be a position, you know, it has to be
Speaker 1: a safety position that you just can't you just can't
Speaker 1: miss it. Safety or splash, you know. I think I'm
Speaker 1: talking about at both. Well, there's there's some corners out
Speaker 1: there too, right, There's some corners out there too, so, um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's just some sure guys out there
Speaker 1: that you don't really have to question whether or not
Speaker 1: they're gonna be successful. And I think if you are
Speaker 1: going to make a move like that, those are the
Speaker 1: type of guys you gonna grab. Hey. Rob said something
Speaker 1: yesterday about you know, the salary cap. But whatever we do,
Speaker 1: it's going to have to be a salary cap friendly
Speaker 1: deal because of some looming contracts that will have next year.
Speaker 1: So I think, uh, you know, Isaiah, You're definitely right. Uh,
Speaker 1: they may be done at this point, but we still
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind, man, we are tied for
Speaker 1: first place and the yeah time for there's a three
Speaker 1: way tie for first place. But the trade deadline is
Speaker 1: next week, guys. But we still the trade line Tuesday, Yes, Tuesday, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's that's a lot of things that can happen
Speaker 1: in between now and then. So Rob, what do you
Speaker 1: think you may You may be right, Kyle, you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: Jerry was asked what last Friday, would they be more
Speaker 1: in tune to, you know, make a move to bring
Speaker 1: in as the unload and and he said probably to
Speaker 1: bring in but we'll see. That was before the Washington game.
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't know. I just I don't.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing them give up high
Speaker 1: draft picks before the deadline. You know. Yeah, they, like
Speaker 1: Isaiah said, they might make a move. They might bring
Speaker 1: in somebody to help on the back end or defensive line.
Speaker 1: I think we've all kind of cited those is are
Speaker 1: the two biggest needs. But uh, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there's a maybe there's a somewhat minor move out there
Speaker 1: where they can get some help and because ultimately they're
Speaker 1: not out of it, you know, and and they're going
Speaker 1: to try to continue to compete as Mike McCarthy tries
Speaker 1: to build this culture that we're talking about, build this program.
Speaker 1: So there might be an opportunity out there, but I
Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't foresee a Marii Cooper type blockbuster trade
Speaker 1: coming up. I just I'd have a hard time seeing that.
Speaker 1: I think I think if something does happen, it comes
Speaker 1: from an organization that has that's known for hard work
Speaker 1: and diligence in a strong culture. I don't think it
Speaker 1: comes from you know. I think I know, like like
Speaker 1: Dune laps out there, I don't think you go get
Speaker 1: done that from Cincinnati. You know when you talk about
Speaker 1: guys like Gilmore, you know about making big splashes. Well
Speaker 1: there's somebody you can get from New England because you
Speaker 1: know what they're coming from, right, and you don't have
Speaker 1: to try to teach them to play hard. You'd have
Speaker 1: to try to teach them to work hard, like they
Speaker 1: are coming from that already. So you could adopt that
Speaker 1: and try to have that enforcement all your team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean the Jets are in that conversation for
Speaker 1: a certain player over there. I mean, you're not in
Speaker 1: that kind of that was the opposite. That was the
Speaker 1: opposite of what I say it. That's what I meant,
Speaker 1: Like the Jets are in the opposite of that conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't disagree. I think you get the playing
Speaker 1: time for the guys who are here and the guys
Speaker 1: who you want to develop. And I mean, once again,
Speaker 1: Bradley and I, I just want to see more snaps.
Speaker 1: That's all I got, And maybe we get it this week.
Speaker 1: Maybe I finally get to see fifty six active and
Speaker 1: rolling on that that off of that edge. I hope
Speaker 1: that that's or I hope that comes to fruition this week.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it here for Talking Cowboys. We'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. Like I said, come get breakfast with
Speaker 1: us at nine fifteen. But for now, Isaiah stand back
Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips, for heck My Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman
Speaker 1: saying so long from the Star in Frisco Special. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Chris Beam in the back as well. Can't forget him.
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