1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of I Heart Radio. It 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: is time for our first book up one. And my 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: question today for you, Samantha is were you into Greek mythology? 5 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I was a kid. I was. I really was really 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: big into all of that. Uh had the encyclopedia stuff, 7 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: you know how they had the story version of all 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: of that. Oh, and I would read those all the 9 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: times growing up. Of course I've kind of forgotten them 10 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: since then, so I kind of confused the names because 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: they are similar stories obviously with different names. So I 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: have a moment of like who. But I did really 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: enjoy it. As in fact, recently I which I love 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: to see, we saw pretty much a battle of Xena 15 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: warrior Prince Says versus Hercules, and I'm pretty sure Za 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: want slash Lucy Lawless in their Twitter fight. So I 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: just want to put that out there. You gotta put 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: that out there. I'm just gonna put that. What do 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: you think, Well, if you had been a goddess, you 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: have been the goddess of uh some type of mischief 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: probably like I definitely would not have been like the 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: beauty or the loved one. It's definitely I would have 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: cost some kind of mayhem every now and again, Like 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm absolutely sure how you have put my dog 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Peaches in your D n D as the mischievous, kind 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: hearted but really disastrous uh character in your thing. I'm 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: pretty sure it would be this somewhere along those lines, 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: which is why I love it. Yeah, I could see that. 29 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: I could see that for sure. Of course, nothing really 30 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: means spirited, right Oh never, no, no, no, no no 31 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: no no. Um. Yeah, I was. I was huge into 32 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: Greek mythology. I also had those uh like books with 33 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: the like images and I would trace them out and 34 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: paint them and I'd hang them on my wall. It 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: was a kind of kid I was. Um. And then 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I loved the show called Young Hercules, which I said 37 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: it before I was on the Ryan Gosling train before 38 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: anyone else, because I was a nine year old writing 39 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: him a very very embarrassing fan letter that I hope 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: never made it to him. Um so that the eyes 41 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: were dotted with heart, Samantha was a disgrace. But you 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: can't get that show anywhere. And I taped them all 43 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: like I would get It came on at three PM, 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: I like run in and tape them. And so now 45 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, could I turn to profit? Could I upload these? 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: Because I got a I was gonna say, doting day 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: with hell because you know, not all vhs s are 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: in a great condition for viewing. Well, I I did. 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: The most recent time I watched him was in college, 50 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: and there was some There were some you know, skipping 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: around and the commercials are still there obviously, but sometimes 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: I would like fast forward through them, you know, and 53 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: it would record that uh, pretty good shape. I don't 54 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: have a VCR anymore though, so I can't test it. Yeah, 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: this is the issue. You need to get what we 56 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: need a VCR obviously. Yeah, I'm having flashbacks of me 57 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. I think I did that with 58 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: Green of Um and of Green Gables, except it wasn't commercials. 59 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: It was just a long winded uh GPB here in 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: Georgia there fundraising because that's one of the only play 61 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: it and I would pause try and make it the 62 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: perfect succinct movie. I failed. I'm pretty sure I love it. 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: I did that stuff to do it. Girl. Listeners are like, 64 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: what you're talking about nonsense, don't worry about it. As 65 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: a kid, we rented our VCRs from the Curtis Method. 66 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: That's how old I am. Yeah. Yeah, I've been rewatching 67 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: some old Seinfeld episodes and it's been the technology. It 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: has been given me a chuckle. Um. But okay, today 69 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: we're talking about Madeleine Miller's novels Searcy, which a few 70 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: of you have recommended, and I actually I really really 71 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed it, so thank you for the recommendation. Um. And 72 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: this is a follow up to her previous book, The 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: Song of Achilles um. And she like knows her stuff. 74 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: She has an m A and classics, so uh. The 75 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: book gives the witch from the Greek myth the Odyssey Cercy, 76 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: a backstory that spans for thousands of years. Um. And 77 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: it was really fun for me because I've obviously, I 78 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: imagine like most of us, I've read the Odyssey, but 79 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. So like I I 80 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: would say, I reco recognized like half the characters, but 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: I knew all of them. I was like, I know, 82 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't get the power of this moment, but I 83 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: know that you're a character, and I should know what 84 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: this means. Yeah, and uh, Miller said she got the 85 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: idea because as a kid, she heard about like this 86 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: which you could turn men into pigs, and she was 87 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: so excited to read it, and then the Odyssey it's 88 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: like fifteen lines and she was so disappointed. So she 89 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to give her a story, and yeah, 90 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: if you need it, If you need a reminder, that 91 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: is Serc's role in the Odyssey. She was this um 92 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: which that turned Odysseus's men into pigs. But he challenged 93 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: her and kind of tricked her with hermes, and she 94 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: changed them back, and then her and Odyseus become lovers 95 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: for a while, and then she helps them when they leave. 96 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Oh um and probably quick disclaimer, we did look up 97 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the Greek pronunciations for things, but it might be a 98 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: bit of a mess and apologies in her bags. So 99 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Miller's work in this book flushes out starc story, everything 100 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: that brings her to that moment in the Odyssey carries 101 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: her after it, and it reimagines many of these heroic 102 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: acts that we've heard in Greek mythology as orchestrations of 103 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: cercy or like seriously had something to do with it. 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: Um and this characters long inspired writers from Ovid to 105 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: James Joyce to Margaret Atwood, which is actually a theme 106 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: in this story that that the men of these Greek 107 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: myths told these stories, they they made themselves heroes in them, 108 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: and then it was men who passed these stories on 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: and because of that they were these men were painted 110 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: as heroes when more often than not, you're kind of like, well, 111 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: it seems like the lady here or her life or 112 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: sacrificed herself for you, So that seems yeah, maybe you 113 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: should mention that I don't know, um, And yeah, there 114 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: are a lot of cameos from famous Greek mythological characters 115 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: like Dadalus, Icarus, Jason, Odcus, Hermes, Artemis, Achilles, pay Is, Helen, Apollo, Agamymnon, Athena. 116 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: Just it was a delight, um. And this book as 117 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: now is getting an eight part HBO mini series anyway. Yeah, 118 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: so we wanted to start with obviously the plot. Uh 119 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: So the story follows cercy a nymph or uprise ns 120 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: were called, but that is not really how the world 121 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: saw us. We are an endless feast laid out upon 122 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: a table, beautiful and renewing, and so very bad at 123 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: getting away. Great lines, so very bad at getting away, 124 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: Just a little bit of almost Uh and she is 125 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: the daughter of the god of the Son and one 126 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: of the most powerful titans, Helios and the niph Percy. 127 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: She is a witch who can use plans and words 128 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: to cast spells. Her family is not kind her. They 129 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 1: treat her as a lesser. They describe her voice as frail, 130 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: the voice of the mortal, obviously that she's weak and 131 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: the weakest of the circles. She's not as beautiful, so 132 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: therefore she's completely cast aside. Sarcy is one of many 133 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: of Helio's children, including her cruel sister Passive Fay and 134 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: her brother Percy's and the younger brother that she helped 135 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: raise eighties. Her family is not kinder, like we said before, 136 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: and at one point Helios her father, burns her in punishment, 137 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: and throughout the book we see most we see multiple 138 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: instances of their cruelty uh and their desire for power. 139 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: I still love it, I love passive Pase sounds like 140 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: being pacified, and she's like the office us Um And 141 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: in early formative memory, seriously meets Prometheus just after he 142 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: has disobeyed Zeus by helping mortals by showing it them fire. 143 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: So it's the night before he is to begin his 144 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: sentence changed to rock for all eternity, each day his 145 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: liver devoured by an eagle, only for the liver to 146 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: regenerate overnight and the whole process to start all over again, 147 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: which sounds absolutely miserable. Um seriously witnesses Hum being whipped, 148 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: and after everyone else leaves, including the furies, who all 149 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: so make a cameo, Uh seriously brings him nectar, even 150 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: though it is forbidden, and the two have this exchange. 151 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: You aided mortals, I said, that is why you were punished. 152 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: It is Will you tell me what is a mortal like? 153 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: It was a child's question, but he nodded gravely. There's 154 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: no single answer. They are each different. The only thing 155 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: they share is death. You know the word. I know it, 156 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: I said, But I do not understand. No God can 157 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: their bodies crumble and pass into earth. Their souls turned 158 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: to cold smoke and fly to the underworld. There they 159 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: eat nothing and drink nothing, and feel no warmth. Everything 160 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: they reach for slips from their grasp. A chill shivered 161 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: across my skin. How do they bear it as best 162 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: they can? As best they can? So? While Sarci is 163 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: not powerful in the traditional goddess sense. She discovers she 164 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: has a talent for witchcraft, which we all love. Uh. 165 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: And this is something she discovers in the Mortal Realm, 166 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: where she falls in love with a young fisherman named Glaucos. 167 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: She uses her magic to turn them into a god, 168 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: but finds that becoming god has made him shallow and cruel. Surprise, surprise, 169 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: he shows Searcy no gratitude and pretty much tosses her 170 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: away refuses to give her any attention. She also uses 171 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: their magic to transform a nymph and a romantic rival 172 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: for Glaucos, named Silla, into a monster to match her 173 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: inner personality. Well damn uh. Sillah becomes a behemoth twelve 174 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: tentacles and six mouths, guarding a straight in the ocean, 175 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: taking six or twelve men from any boat that tis passage. Uh. 176 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: This is something that haunts Searcy over the years. Uh. 177 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: The death of the Mortals caused by Sarcey's spells and 178 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: the mindless monster She's reduced Silla too. Yeah, and Sila was. 179 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: I forgot about Sila so that I had to look 180 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: up like, yeah, there, I'm not gonna lie because when 181 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: I read I just move on, I kind of didn't 182 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: give a second chick glance other than okay, great monster 183 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: character next. Yeah, So I love this. I love the 184 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: story behind it. Um Zeus feels threatened by Sarcey's power 185 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: like king of the gods, like no Lydic have this 186 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: power uh, and commands her father to exile or of 187 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: course he does so he does to a small isolated 188 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: island named Aia. So I couldn't find a pronunciation for that. 189 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: That's just get on my part, So apologies if I'm 190 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: way off um. Here, Sarcy tames animals like lions and wolves. 191 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: She grows plants and herbs. She works on her magic. 192 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: She learns how to be independent um, to braid her 193 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: hair back and tie her skirts up so they wouldn't 194 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: catch on twigs. She like learns that to carve and 195 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: so and all kinds of things um. While there, she 196 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: encounters many famous figures from Greek mythology. One of the 197 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: first to appear is Daedalus, who arrives via boat to 198 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: summon her to attend her sister's birth um and Sarcy 199 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: is furious about this, but also wants to take the 200 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: rare chance to break her exiles. First, she knows it 201 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: could be here. Her only chance um this journey, of course, 202 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: required that they passed Scylla uh Daedalist crew had already 203 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: lost men on the way to the island, but with 204 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: magic and with her wit, Sarcey is able to protect 205 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: the rest of the carew. This is also something that 206 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: really annoys Cercy because she feels like her sister totally 207 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: did that on purpose, that they had to go that 208 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: way and sent the boat that way because she knew, like, 209 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: you created this monster, here you go um. So when 210 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: they arrived, Searcy learns that her sister, who was married 211 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: to Minos the Kring of Crete, has sired a monster 212 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: with one of her and Sarcey's father's sacred white bulls. 213 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: With Sarcey's help, she gives birth to the minotaur Um. 214 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: Sarcey has a heated confrontation with her sister, where sister 215 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: lays bear how she sees the world and the golden 216 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: cages of men that they both inhabit, the horrors and 217 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: and injustices they both had to navigate because of the 218 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 1: men in their lives, and how she thought she and 219 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Searcy were alike, and how she was disappointed actually that 220 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: they weren't closer as children, which I really loved the 221 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: whole exchange, and the argument shakes seriously like the fact 222 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: that her her sister says that they have something in 223 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: common is like, oh, this is that I don't like this. 224 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: Um So. Sarcy learns that Dadalus and his son Icarus 225 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: are imprisoned, and Dadalus and Sarcy, how sex obviously, with 226 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: Sarcy's help, he builds a maze to trap the Minotaur, 227 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: a creature meant to frighten the citizens of Crete and 228 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: keep them under control. Now. Daedalus also gives Sarcy with 229 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: a beautiful loom that she takes with her back to 230 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: her island. Um. And later Sarcy learns that Acres died 231 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: during their escape attempt, flying too close to the sun 232 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: and destroying his wings, and Dadalus dies soon after from heartbreak. 233 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: Supposedly yeah. Um. One of the next people to visit 234 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: her island is Media, her brother i et s daughter, 235 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: and her husband Jason. Media begs Sarcy for a ritual 236 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: to wash them clean of blood and crime, and they 237 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: kind of do this before revealing who they are. Um So, 238 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: Sarcy does, but she learns the story of what off 239 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: them there, Um that in order to protect Jason, Media 240 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: had helped him accomplished several feats, including stealing the Golden Fleece, 241 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: and as they fled her very angry father, she dismembered 242 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: her brother and tossed him into the sea, knowing her 243 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: father would have to stop in his pursuit to perform 244 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: the rights for her deceased brother. Um seriously tries to 245 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: convince Media that Jason is people will not welcome her, 246 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: that she will regret going with them, that Media should 247 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: stay with her, but Medeia lays and to Sercy, essentially 248 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: calling her lonely and pathetic and trapped Um desperately trying 249 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: to keep Media trapped next to her. Um, she also 250 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: reveals the depths of I. E. T. S. Cruelty, perhaps 251 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: the only family member Sercy had a close relation to 252 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: at one time, telling Sarcy that he hates women. Media 253 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: leaves with Jason the next day, and later Sarcy finds 254 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: out that a m Ray Media killed her and Jason's 255 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: children after Jason betrayed her, unwilling to let anyone have 256 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: them but her, and then returned to the realm of 257 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: the gods. Uh yeah, whether wrong then yeah? Who uh? 258 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: And during all of this, by the way, Sarcy learned 259 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: most of this information from Hermi's, whom she had an 260 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: on and off affair with for over a hundred years, 261 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: so like she would learn about Dadalists from him or 262 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: or Medieva from him. But he treated her like a 263 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: game and she grew to detest him before ending He 264 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: didn't really like him either, But they didn't seem to 265 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: like each other. It was just sort of a thing 266 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: that you're here, I'm here, okay, okay. Sure. So Searcy 267 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: has cut by Medea's words, and she starts to open 268 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: her island to lost sailors looking for food and rest. 269 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: On one such occasion, the captain raped when he finds 270 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: out she's alone on the island, and before the other 271 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: men can do likewise, she kills the captain and turns 272 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: the rest into pigs. She is so consumed with rage 273 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: and vengeance she turns any man who comes to her 274 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: island into a pig. Yes, so here we arrive at 275 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: the Odyssey. Yes, turning them into pigs thing? So this 276 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: doesn't change her turning men who visit her island at 277 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: the pigs until the arrival of Odysseus. After Sarcy transformed 278 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: his crew into pigs, Odyseus arrives, and he convinces her 279 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: to transform his men back and allow them to stay 280 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: for several months. Um. Listening to that without reading the book, 281 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: you might be like, but how though? But then Nick 282 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: like immediately hit it off and had a conversation about it. Um. 283 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: So Sarcy and Odyseus become lovers, and he keeps lengthening 284 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: his stay longer and longer, like maybe I'll just stay 285 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: another month, maybe I'll stay in the winter. I don't know. Uh. 286 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: And this is despite the fact that Odyseus is, in 287 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: his words, happily married and the father to a son 288 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: he hasn't seen in many years, and he speaks fondly 289 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: of them. Um. Eventually, Apollo gives Cercy a prophecy about Odyseus, 290 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: but grudgingly she shares it with him, and he and 291 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: his men return home, and just as he's leaving, Seriously 292 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: realizes she is pregnant with his child. Yeah, here's what 293 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: Seriously thinks when she hears the stories and poems of 294 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: her meeting with Odysseus. Later quote I was not surprised 295 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: by the portrait of myself the proud which undone before 296 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: the hero's sword, kneeling and begging for mercy. Humbling women 297 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: seems to me a chief pastime for poets, as if 298 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: there can be no story unless we crawl and wheat 299 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: that speaks volumes. Um and the experience of giving birth 300 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: is tumultuous. Is a tumultuous one that starts undertakes alone. 301 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Um And when she realizes that something is preventing her 302 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: child from being born, she cuts it from her stomach, 303 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: usually magic. She learns that the god is Athena is 304 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: determined to kill her son Telegonus, to prevent something he 305 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: does in the future. Um socially does not back down, 306 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: and instead he uses extremely powerful and taxing magic to 307 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: award the island so that no god or god has 308 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: can set foot on her highland. Right Um and raising 309 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: Telegonis proves to be a very arduous task. He is 310 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: an angry, difficult child that shapes at her protection like 311 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: he's always trying to run away and she's always like, oh, 312 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: you're staying right here by my side, never, and he's 313 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: constantly looking to the horizon for adventure. As he grows older, 314 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: he does he mellows out. He becomes a sweet, curious child. 315 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: But there's still that first to to go to go 316 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: somewhere um, and Cercy tells him these really sanitized tales 317 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: of his father's adventures, which he just eats up. Um 318 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: and anything that isn't flattering even in the slightest bit. 319 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: He corrects her, telling her his father was noble and 320 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: or heroic, he could never do anything wrong. Um. When 321 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: he's fifteen, Searcy learns that with the help of Hermes, 322 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: which she's not happy about it at all. Uh, Telegonus 323 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: has been constructing a boat in orders to sail to 324 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: the kingdom of Ithaca to meet his father, Odysseus. Um. 325 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: Sercily tries very hard to convince him not to, reminding 326 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: him of Athena's determination to kill him um that he'll 327 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: be leaving the protection of the island, But despite her terror, 328 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: Telegonus is determined and naive. UM. So she we've spells 329 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: around in protection spells, and she marches to the darkest, coldest, 330 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: deepest depths of the waters to confront one of its 331 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: deadliest creatures, challenging it for its goddess killing tail um 332 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: It offers to give it to her if she would 333 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: touch the poison and condemn herself to a life of 334 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: eternal pain. She does so, but to her shock, the 335 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: pain does not come. The creature informs her no one 336 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: has ever passed the test before and commands her to 337 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: cut off the tail. She has one, she can take 338 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: the prize. She does so. She feels very uncomfortable, but 339 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: she does do it, and she fashion's the tale into 340 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: a god's killing spear, although it could really kill just 341 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: about anything that she gives to her son a spear. 342 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: Yes they can uh. He leaves, but returns shortly after 343 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: with Odysseus wife Penelope, and his son Telemachus. Turns out 344 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: Odaseus went mad without war to distract him, killing subjects 345 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: and any who would dare defy him. Surprise surprise. When 346 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Telegonus arrived, he mistook him for an attacker, and telegoni 347 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: Is accidentally killed him with a spear oops um. As 348 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: Odysseus died, Telegonus told him he was a son, and 349 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: instead of staying on in Ithaca, Penelope and Telemachus wanted 350 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: to accompany him to the island of his mother and 351 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: of the lover the Odiuss had told him about Sarces 352 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: and immediately suspicious that they want to kill her son, 353 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: But after confronting them separately, she learns of odysseus poor 354 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: treatment of his family, of his deterroation on Ithaca that 355 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: impacted Telegonus and Penelope to Um and Searcy also learns 356 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: that Athena intends to have Telemachus take Odysseus place as 357 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: her champion, and that's why Pennelli be brought him there 358 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: so she could have time to repair their relationship. Um 359 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: and Sarci agrees to give them a few months, only 360 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: after ensuring an oath protection from Athena for her son, 361 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: which is appropriate. Um. Time passes and Sarcy drops the protection. 362 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: Athena offers Telemachus a chance to build a kingdom and rule, 363 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: but he turns it down, so Athena turns the Telegonus 364 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: is dead, and he accepts even though it hurts, and 365 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: she's scared. Even though it hurts her and she's scared, 366 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: Sarcy lets him go, Yeah, and if you're curious, like 367 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: Athena was trying to prevent the death of Odysseus, who 368 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: was her champion, and so she saw Telegonus was going 369 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: to kill him with the spear that her Sarcy made 370 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: to protect him, and all he wanted was to meet 371 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: his dad. But now all that Odyseus is dead, she 372 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: really doesn't care about Telegonus or killing him anymore. Right, 373 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: she wants Telemachus, But then she flips real quick, Marcus, 374 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: It's like, nah, all right, then I'll go telegon Um. 375 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: So after Telegonus leaves, Cercy confronts her father Uh and 376 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: blackmails him to lift her exile. When he tells her 377 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: not to bring shame to the family, she tells him 378 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: to count her out of it. He's like, you are 379 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: the least of my four children, and she's like, well, 380 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: how about you just say you have three children and 381 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: just leave me out of the whole thing. She teaches 382 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: Penelope the basics of witchcraft and then journeys Hotel Marcus, 383 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: first to Scilla, where she uses a potion to turn 384 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: her to stone and and her misery and her reign 385 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: of terror. Uh. Then to the beach where she first 386 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: found the plants that allowed her to turn Glaucos into 387 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: a god, also her first foray into witchcraft. Really, She 388 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: picks them her and tell Marcus become lovers, which was 389 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: probably the biggest surprise and the whole thing to me. Um. 390 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: And they return to the island where Penelope has really 391 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: taken to this which thing and houses all the way 392 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: you were nipped daughters. That was this was what the thing? 393 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: That a task that was put on Sarcy, but she 394 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: shunned it and refused to do it. After a while, 395 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: but Penelope has picked it back up. Um. Sarcy plants 396 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: one of the flowers on the island to see if 397 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: it might grow, and then she imbibes the west, wishing 398 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: to become a mortal. She sees a vision of a 399 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: future with Telemachus where they love each other and have 400 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: two daughters that they travel, which is something they've always 401 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: wanted to do. They go to seed Telegonus and that 402 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: one day she dies, and that is the end. Um. 403 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: And here here's a quote. Overhead, the constellations dip and wheel. 404 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: My divinity shines in me like the last rays of 405 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: the sun before they drown in the sea. I thought 406 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: once that gods are the opposite of death, but I 407 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: see now they are more dead than anything, for they 408 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: are un changing and can hold nothing in their hands. 409 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: All my life, I've been moving forward and now I 410 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: am here. I have a mortal's voice. Let me have 411 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: the rest. I lift the brimming bowl to my lips 412 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: and drink boom. Yeah. So in another Greek not so 413 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: tragic but tragic tragedy, A tragic tragedy, as they say, 414 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: there are certainly tragic moments. But yeah, it was pretty 415 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: powerful overall. Um. But now let's talk about some themes. 416 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: But first let's pause for a quick break for word 417 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Up, 418 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: and it's time for theme. So let's go ahead and 419 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: jump into the power and obviously heroes. So recurring theme 420 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: throughout is the idea of heroes and the people behind 421 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: them and their stories. Again we talked about with Greek myths, 422 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: there's many a heroes, many a villains. Um. Again and 423 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: again we learned that they are complex people with flaws 424 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: more than the glossed over legends we read growing up. 425 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: And more often than not, there was a woman or 426 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: many women behind them. Yeah. And you see this especially 427 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: with Odiseus when we learned about him through the lens 428 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: of those who knew him. Uh. So, Telegonus had this beautiful, 429 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: perfect story in his head of who his father was, 430 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: the one in the stories we've all read, and this 431 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: is his mother was telling him these stories. But Telemachus, 432 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: who had grew up with him, well, no, he hadn't 433 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: grown up with him, but he had seen him when 434 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: he returned. Um had this really unflinching, violent reality that 435 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: he saw, as does Seriously, although for her she interpreted 436 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: it somewhat differently, coming from the world of gods and goddesses, 437 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: and her interpret interpretation changes when she hears the pain 438 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: it caused Telemachus, which was a really interesting thing. Um. 439 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: So through them we see him more complex character who 440 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: did have these amazing qualities, but also was quite a 441 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: quite flawed Um. This character who needed these adventures, these 442 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: one time experiences, as seriously calls them, to be like 443 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: the first, to be as close immortality is possible, to 444 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: be the hero in these stories and is absolutely willing 445 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: to hurt others to achieve it and paint that as 446 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: a heroic act. Uh. And another thing even throughout is 447 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: power and what it can look like abuse of power 448 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: and the limitations on how people can achieve it, especially 449 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: for women. Many of the powerful women in the book 450 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: are limited by the men in their lives and punish 451 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: if they transgress. Seriously was banished by her father after 452 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: her powers frightened Zeus, her sister, tells of the depths 453 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: of pain and sacrifice she's made to hold onto power 454 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: and to please the cruel men in her life. Power 455 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: and the thirst of it drives these violent, cruel and 456 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: or thoughtless gods and goddesses and many of the heroes 457 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: in their orbit right. Um. And another big theme in 458 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: these in this book is loneliness and immortality. UM. And 459 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, uh, the author did a really 460 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: good job of that, because it would be difficult to 461 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: write for someone who just has such a different perspective 462 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: Tivan what it is to be alive and not to 463 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: have that fear. And I think the biggest for me, 464 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: the biggest point of that where I was like, oh wow, 465 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: this would be very strange experience for god us when 466 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: she gave birth and she was like, oh my god, 467 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: anything could kill this child, Like she didn't really have 468 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: to worry about that. But so let's talk about loneliness first, 469 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: especially as it does pertain to immortality. Um Cerce spends 470 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: centuries alone and isolated, and it leads her to make 471 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: choices she later regrets, um her affair with Hermes when 472 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: she once treasured his slights as crumbs, uh, letting down 473 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: her guard around men that led to her rape, her 474 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: absolute determination not to let her son leave her side. UM. 475 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Her immortality also influences how she sees people and and 476 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: throughout the book we we see her mature an age 477 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: over centuries and what I thought was a really fascinating 478 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: way because she has just such a longer arc way 479 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: of time than you do. UM. Like we see her 480 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: counsel media and telegonus for example, on the stix that 481 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: she made in her youth only should be ignored of course, UM. 482 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: And the mortality of those she loves terrifies her and 483 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: saddens her. And yeah, you see that when her first 484 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: her child is born and everything becomes really dangerous, everything 485 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: is one hurt, beat less taking him away from her. 486 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: On top of the loneliness, there's a layer of betrayal 487 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: and abandonment, especially by the men in Startsy's life, whether 488 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: it's her father, her brother, her lover. And this is 489 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: often after Starcy puts these men. First male relationships take 490 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: precedent over sisterly relationships or mother daughter relationships. For instance, 491 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: Um Sarcy spends much of her time with her family, 492 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: trying to please her father to care for her younger brother, 493 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: and when she gets older, she learns that her sister 494 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: wanted a relationship with her surprise. Although it's understandable why 495 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: Sis shied away from her, Yeah, because you know that 496 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: kind of hated each other. Um. This is something that 497 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: changes as seriously ages, and at the end she rejects 498 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: her father, re evaluates her younger brother, UM and comes 499 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: to see at least a little bit of herself in 500 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: the women. Throughout many women who start as antagonists in 501 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: as something more rights and that brings us to u 502 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: attitudes towards women that we see in these books. In 503 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: this book, the women are almost always the ones that 504 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: are punished or the women lash out against men or 505 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: women as a way to feel like they aren't in prison. 506 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: There's a way to feel like they have some kind 507 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: of power or agency. Um. Women are seen as pawns 508 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: for the men to dole out and chain in one 509 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: way or another. There's a lot of slug shaming too, 510 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: and also a lot of judging of Searcy is basically 511 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: a weird which spinsterly. Um. Another thing we see a 512 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 1: lot of is women fighting women, And I mean, like 513 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: even in the beginning with seriously and Scilla, which Sarcy 514 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: does kind of by the end of the book. That's 515 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: like one of her final acts as the book ends, 516 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: as she goes and tries to make that right. Um. 517 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: And most of the women who do succeed in this 518 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: world do so through cruelty, like Searcy's sister, or kind 519 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: of by like Searcy's sister. I just found her so fascinating, um, 520 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: because she kind of she didn't really succeed, but she 521 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: was as close as I imagine you can get in 522 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: this like really male dominated world. And that's why she 523 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,479 Speaker 1: was so cruel and like cut you to the bone, 524 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: because she had to play the game and she was 525 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: miserable for like she said, she talked about all the 526 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: pains she went through and the sacrifices she made, but 527 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: she was also like, yeah, pretty terrible. Um. And yes, 528 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: these women were often cruel to other women. And I 529 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: remember I wrote this down on a notepad when I 530 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: was reading it, and I just wanted to put it 531 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: in there because there's definitely a vibe of lady, get 532 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: married or you are nothing, and if no one wants 533 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: to marry you, you're nothing. Wow. It was pretty powerful. 534 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean the entire book, all the women are definitely 535 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: pandering two men, that heroic man, when really again they 536 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: were rule ones, probably behind the whole thing and care 537 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: less if they were there or not. Um So, going 538 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: back to that hero worship thing, we see so many 539 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: men taking credit for women's work and making themselves the 540 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: hero of the story. Is particularly exemplified in the marriage 541 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: between Jason and Medea. After media had used magic to 542 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: save him again and again and pretty much got that 543 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: golden fleece for him. Yet when he tells the story, 544 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: he's obviously the hero, and people remember him as the 545 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: hero and passed that story on. It is written she 546 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: Medea was solid a long moment one of Jason. Let 547 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: him be a row. You are something else? And what 548 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: is that? In my mind? I saw us already our 549 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: husband together over the purple flowers of Aconite, the black 550 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: roots of Mollie. I would rescue her from her tainted pass, 551 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: of which I said, with unbound power, who need answer 552 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: to none but herself? But media saysn't, and we're hold 553 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: about that more later. Uh. Then there's the fact that 554 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: seriously lies to her son about the acts of his 555 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: father DCS to protect the child's image of him. And 556 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: it really emphasizes, at least to me, that's saying behind 557 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: every gay man there is a woman. Um. There's also 558 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: many instances of women making sacrifices that go ignored for love, 559 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: only to be discarded are otherwise punished. Also in that 560 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: example with Media and Jason, Jason, even at this early stage, 561 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: was clearly scared of media and her power and was 562 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: already kind of trying to distance himself, even though she'd 563 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: got in that fleece pretty Um. Here's another quote. The 564 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: nymphs wafted around me, their smothered laughter drifted down the halls. 565 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: At least I told myself it was not their brothers 566 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: who would have bragged and fought and hunted down my wolves. 567 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: But of course there was never real danger. Sons were 568 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: not punished. So there's so many tales of keeping wives 569 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: in chains, of torturing them, of pretty much disposing of them, 570 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: keeping powerful women tamed in golden cages, making those smaller 571 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: promises of false power, of men afraid of powerful women 572 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: keeping knowledge of magic to themselves or punishing women for 573 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: it seriously specifically to an island by herself. Um. And 574 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: when describing her niece, the demogoddess media, Uh, now that 575 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: I knew who she was, such meetness looked absurd on her, 576 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: like a like a great eagle trying to hunch down 577 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: to fit inside a sparrow's nest. Yeah, yeah, I loved 578 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: that quote. Um, which brings us to something we talked 579 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: about a lot on this show, Women Getting But first, 580 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: let's pause for one more quick break for word from 581 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: our sponsored and we're back, Thank you sponsor. And yes, 582 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: we are back with women getting Revenge because there are 583 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: so many instances of it and revenge in general, but 584 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: specifically in this case women getting Revenge. You've got Cercy's 585 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: sister cursing her husband for cheating by turning his sperm 586 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: into stinging insects that killed the women who slept with, 587 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: which sounds which is really funny that it killed the 588 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: woman instead of him. I guess yes again again, women 589 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: punishing other women and seeing disposable women is disposable. Um. 590 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: Then of course there's seriously killing and burning the man 591 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: who raped her and turning his crew into pigs. After that, 592 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: she punishes any man who come to her island with 593 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: the same. She turned some pigs um, especially when they 594 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: learned she's a one alone and they do not care 595 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: that she is a goddess. Yeah, she'll she has like 596 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: this whole wine set up. She puts some dragon and 597 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: wine and says the magic word fall asleep, turning the pigs. 598 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: And she doesn't stop doing this until Odysseus, and later 599 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: admits to herself that she almost lost herself to cold 600 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: fury that she was turning men into pigs indiscriminately. Uh. 601 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: And that is another current theme in the book regret, 602 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: And that's one of my favorite quotes is do not 603 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: take my regret from me. I like that. So here's 604 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: another quote mistress. It was later again, when will your 605 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: husband be home? We would toast such fine hospitality, I laughed, Oh, 606 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: I do not have a husband. He smiled back. Of course, 607 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: he said, you're too young to be married. That it 608 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: is your father. We must think. It was full dark outside, 609 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: and the room glowed warm and bright. My father lis far, 610 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: I said. I waited for them to ask who he was, 611 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: A limp ladder that would be a good just I 612 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: smelled myself. Then perhaps there's some other hosts we wish 613 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: should think, an uncle, a brother, if you would thank 614 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: your host, I said, thank me. This house is mine alone. 615 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: And at that word the air changed the room. Yeah. 616 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: So this was a really like terrifying because he was 617 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: trying to find out there's a man's Yeah. Um. So 618 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: that after that seriously is raped by the captain and 619 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: then kill sim and turns the care into pigs. Um. 620 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: And and then we see much later. Uh, here's another quote, mistress. 621 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: The leader would say, do not tell me that such 622 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: a beauty as yourself dwells all alone? Oh yes, I 623 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: would answer, quite alone, He would smile. He could not 624 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: help it. There was never any fear in him. Why 625 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: should there be. He had already noted for himself that 626 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: there was no man's cloak hanging by the door, no 627 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: hunter's bow, no shepherd's staff, no sign of brothers or 628 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: fathers or sons. No vengeance would follow after. If I 629 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: were valuable to anyone, I would not be allowed to 630 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: live alone. Um. Yeah. And and that's something that really 631 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: hurts her too, is her father surely knew that this 632 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: was gonna happen, and did happen, and did not come um. 633 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: Even though she is a powerful witch, she is a 634 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: woman alone in the world and has to use techniques 635 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: of self defense that all women can recognize. That's something 636 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: else I liked about this book is even though it's 637 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: like gods and goddesses, there are these themes that you're like. 638 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: No I can relate to the um Man obviously. Another 639 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: thing that we have talked about many a times is 640 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: a motherhood, specifically single motherhood, which is a big part 641 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: of this book. When Cercy gives birth, she is alone 642 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: and terrified, more terrified than she has ever been. She 643 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: can feel a goddess trying to hold her baby back 644 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: to kill it, but she fights harder than she has 645 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: ever fought. Um And after a baby is born, despite 646 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: being a difficult baby that cries and fights, she realizes 647 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: she would do anything to protect him, and she does. 648 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,479 Speaker 1: With her magic, she is able to keep Athena out. 649 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: She walks to the darkest depths of the ocean and 650 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: accepts the deal given to her for unending pain in 651 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: exchange for the god killing weapon to protect her son, 652 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: the weapon that would later kill the father Odysseus. When 653 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: telegonus journeys to meet him, causing her son great pain. Uh. 654 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: And she describes raising her son as the most difficult 655 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: of her life, that she's always exhausted, which I was 656 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: about right, and her waking hours consumed with worry and 657 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: work and letting him go a is one of the 658 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: hardest things she has ever had to do. She finds 659 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: so much strength in motherhood. She learns even she doesn't 660 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: know just how powerful she is and just what she 661 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: can do. Yeah, and I love that to you, of 662 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: her trying to figure out again she's not mortal, so 663 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: she's like, I gotta make all these diapers. Oh my god, 664 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: it's hard. Again, It's still fair at no. Um. So 665 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to end on this quote, which I loved. 666 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: It is a common saying that women are delicate creatures, flowers, eggs, 667 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: anything that may be crushed in a moment's carelessness. If 668 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: I had ever believed it, I no longer did. Um. 669 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: And this is what Sarcy thinks after talking to a 670 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: DC's wife Penelope. And Yeah, that whole scene really drives 671 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: home out terrifying being a parent can be in this 672 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: single motherhood and the strength of the women and in 673 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: these stories, um, which I loved because yeah, when you 674 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: read those Greek myths, they are mostly about like the 675 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: male heroes and then the duplicitous like female goddesses messing 676 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: with things um or the like really attractive young lady 677 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: that caused a war or something right like. So it 678 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: was good to get this different take fleshed out conflict 679 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: female characters. I loved it. Right, they're usually side characters 680 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: who just give birth to babies, have God's who oftentimes 681 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: didn't have a choice, and being impregnated. So yeah, definitely 682 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: either killed or tossed aside. Yeah. Yeah, so highly recommend it, um, 683 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: and we would love your recommendations forward on next book 684 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: club picks should be yes. You can send those to 685 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: our email, which is Stuff Media Mom Stuff at i 686 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: heeart media dot com. You can also find us on 687 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You are on Twitter 688 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: at Monster of Podcast. 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