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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire? It's me Jason McIntyre, straight

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Speaker 2: player for Yeah. Sit is October Wednesday, October first. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: We are in the month of October, spooky things happening.

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Speaker 2: We got the MLB playoffs, You've got the w NBA

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Speaker 2: Obviously NBA Media Day, you guys are very interested in

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Speaker 2: the Yannis story, Lebron making some cryptic remarks. Dave mcmanavan

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Speaker 2: So we've got Rob g back from the IR He

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Speaker 2: was down bad with a sickness. He's back, and I

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Speaker 2: have it's a good topic. A producer at The Herd

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Speaker 2: and I have been talking for a while, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's out eight weeks whatever. You don't need that. Then

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Speaker 2: it's the Rams in their pass rush probably not smart.

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Speaker 2: Then you get to buy so let's just give him

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Speaker 2: three weeks off hamstring. Will heal right? Their backup is

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Speaker 2: Remember it just came out weeks ago that the Baltimore

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Speaker 2: We want to have a chance to play. We don't

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Speaker 2: want to go to Baltimore. They turned their nose up

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Speaker 2: ultimately it ain't gonna be shod Arth Sanders starting for

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Rob can check me on that might

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Speaker 2: DAK has been amazing. Now, Dak was hurt last year

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Speaker 2: So now you're paying quarterback top of the line and

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Speaker 2: don't know. It's just one of those weird stories where listen,

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Speaker 3: to where credits to do, you don't, says one Martin Weiss.

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Speaker 3: Friends of the show know Martin Weiss. He hosts on

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Speaker 3: FOXFORDAD on the weekend. He've host during the week Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. We've heard Colin mention his name, you know,

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Speaker 4: They know what they're doing. They an't developed.

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Speaker 2: Solid solid, But that's a good word solid. Here's Mike

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Speaker 2: counter is that Shadedure is much more nimble and mobile

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Speaker 3: the thing with which Shadoor is and we talked about

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Speaker 3: The Browns have decided, well, let's make sure all the

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Speaker 4: That's number one.

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Speaker 3: Number Two, if we take shador have face value where

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Speaker 4: This is not counting.

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Speaker 3: Week four is still being updated because you know, we

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Speaker 3: So you're better than him, and you're better than his backup,

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Speaker 3: three weeks, that Shadure Sanders is starting I'm not shown

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Speaker 2: Cooper Rush probably is the safe bet. Now, Cooper Rush

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Speaker 2: think Baltimore's in legit trouble because Rob, if they lose

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Speaker 2: I just think Baltimore's really wounded. And it's crazy because

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Speaker 2: all these sharp gamblers, all these power ratings guys had

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Speaker 3: And I actually spoke to an odds maker in Vegas

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Speaker 3: odds makers still believe in Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, John

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Speaker 2: This is a crazy week, Rob, for spreads. You've got

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Speaker 2: All Right, I don't is there any other NFL you

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Speaker 4: I know we love hoops. Let's get to it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So jj Redick spoke to the media yesterday. How about this,

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Speaker 2: do if you're the Lakers? Like that's this is not

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Speaker 3: It's not quite Russell Westbrook that last season uncomfortable where

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Speaker 3: He's not ready to commit beyond that because he might retire.

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Speaker 2: Just doesn't feel right the way that everybody's talking with

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Speaker 2: So the other day he was just like walking around, like,

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Speaker 2: I we could get into an Ozenpek topic, because I'm

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Speaker 2: school videos when he was dunking on those small white

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Speaker 2: excited for Luca this season. Oh my gosh, revenge season.

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Speaker 3: Luca's my pick for MVP because no matter what happens

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Speaker 3: with Lebron James, Luca by himself is such a for

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Speaker 3: statistically that he could sleep walk his way through twenty nine,

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Speaker 3: So if you have a motivated, skinny Luca, and let's

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Speaker 3: He's going to win the MVP and all the conversation,

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Speaker 3: well Luca is playing, You're like, you can't be happy

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Speaker 4: Like, what does this say about you?

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Speaker 3: And so that's why I think that it's it's gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a little disappointing that he and I'm

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Speaker 3: How you look at it, right, because Lebron is not

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Speaker 3: rumors are percolating. Like that's all he has to do.

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Speaker 3: He can do all this while you know, figuratively keeping

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Speaker 3: his hands clean in the whole situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that's tough to do. We could wrap

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Speaker 2: up briefly. I just don't know how much to do

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Speaker 2: with this WNBA stuff. Right So WNBA playoffs are in

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Speaker 2: full swing. We're recording this Tuesday afternoon. I guess there's

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Speaker 2: a game tonight. Sorry gets out, I'm not really watching.

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Speaker 2: I know that sounds idiotic or jerky to say I'm sorry,

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00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: like I just I'm sure the action is great. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: one of the better players in the league, Collier, were

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Speaker 2: on this rant at a press conference today, going off

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Speaker 2: on the commissioner. Just it's like a four minute rant.

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Speaker 2: You can see the video online, and essentially she said

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Speaker 2: that discussions date back to February, when the commissioner essentially

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00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: told her, yeah, Caitlin Clark and company should be thankful,

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Speaker 2: they should be on their knees groveling because the league

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Speaker 2: does so much for them and helps them get sponsorships,

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Speaker 2: which is obviously not accurate now I should say, Rob.

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Speaker 2: The commissioner responded by basically saying, you mischaracterize my comments.

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Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe someone actually say that

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Speaker 2: when it's.

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Speaker 4: Just not true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Katelin Clark had all kinds of sponsorships when

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Speaker 2: she was wrapping up at Iowa, Like the league did

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Speaker 2: not help her get anything like that. It's just nonsense,

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Speaker 2: but it's becoming a thing. And Rob, you pointed out

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Speaker 2: that Collier actually is invested in that other league that

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Speaker 2: could rival I think it's called what unrivaled, It's.

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Speaker 4: Called unrivaled the spot on could rival.

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Speaker 2: The WNBA, So like, how ugly is this?

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Speaker 3: It also doesn't help that her husband, Nafisia Collier's husband

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Speaker 3: is the president of Unrivaled. So if you watch that fairy,

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Speaker 3: if you watch that four minute clip, she mentions, Hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, I've seen my husband run a league and

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Speaker 3: he makes a point to check in with the players

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Speaker 3: and call them if things go bad, if they're banged

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Speaker 3: up or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Check in.

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Speaker 3: That's what a good commissioner does. Now, some of the

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Speaker 3: things that that Collier said, you know are valid absolutely,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, I think they're officiating if you've watched

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Speaker 3: the WNBA games this season has been terrible, Like they

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Speaker 3: do not know, they do not know how to protect

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Speaker 3: their product. It's very similar to what we saw like

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Speaker 3: with nineties NBA basketball, where it's like, hey, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: the best way to win might be to junk it

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Speaker 3: up and physical and elbow and all. That's and that's great,

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Speaker 3: but you also have to consider the on court product, right,

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Speaker 3: you have to consider what it means to the TV

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Speaker 3: product and who you're marketing this league to.

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Speaker 4: So that's number one.

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Speaker 3: Number two, it's weird that she would make these comments.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned that the Angelbert said they were mischaracterized, where

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Speaker 3: she was saying, Hey, people like Kaitlyn Clark, Angel Reice, Pagebeckers,

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Speaker 3: you know that they should be happy that they're in

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Speaker 3: the league because you know they wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 3: get any of this kind of stuff without us.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing that because in all

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Speaker 3: of the other public comments made by Engelbert throughout the

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Speaker 3: last year and a half, she has been nothing but

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Speaker 3: complimentary of Kaitlyn Clark. It seems to me that if

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Speaker 3: anybody is aware of the impact that Kaitlyn Clark has

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Speaker 3: had on the league, it's her, and she has gone

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Speaker 3: out of her way to praise her and point out

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Speaker 3: what a great ambassador she is for the league, point

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Speaker 3: out what she's done to their media ratings and why

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Speaker 3: they have this power over these certain television networks. It's

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Speaker 3: because of Kaitlyn Clark. And even though the numbers are

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Speaker 3: up a year over year, because of the league is

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Speaker 3: doing better.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: You just look no further than the All Star Game

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Speaker 3: where Kitlyn Clark had to have missed because of injury,

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Speaker 3: and when they put out the ratings numbers, you recall

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00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: they had to say, oh, up one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: eight percent over from twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, what happened last year?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're down like fifty percent because that wh Kayln

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Speaker 3: Clark played right, And like they go out of their

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Speaker 3: way to kind of remind you that Caitlyn Clark is

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Speaker 3: still the golden goose in this whole situation, even when

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Speaker 3: she's not playing. So this whole thing, obviously it's part

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Speaker 3: of a bigger conversation because it is a WNBACBA you

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00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 3: know issue. They're probably going to head into a lockout

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Speaker 3: here in the next couple of months. But to your point,

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Speaker 3: it is odd that the president of another league is

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Speaker 3: also serving as a vice president of the WNBA Players Association.

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Speaker 3: So take not all of it, not some of it,

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Speaker 3: but you know, take a portion of what she said

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Speaker 3: with the grain of salt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird topic. I confess to not really

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00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: paying attention to the league as much as I did

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00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: last year. And I'm not some kind of snob. I

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Speaker 2: know there's a lot of good players in the WNBA,

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Speaker 2: but like you know, life just kind of getting in

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Speaker 2: the way. And also you know, there's a lot a

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Speaker 2: lot more happening in the NFL gambling Fantasy Survivor, Like

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00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: everything's just ratcheted up.

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Speaker 3: Rob.

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's not enough time anyway. We run

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Speaker 2: out of time today, We're back tomorrow. Good to have

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Speaker 2: you back, Rob. See that