1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. Today, we have 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: a special treat for you. We are bringing on Brian 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: McFarland from Russell Street Report dot com to talk about 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: the salary cap. H. This is this is a topic. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: You know, well, we all know that you struggle with 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: matth Garrett really hard, really hard. You know, I'm I'm better, 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: not much better better, but not much right. So we'd 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: like to bring on Brian here to really kind of 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: break things down and get into the weeds of all 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: these tough decisions regarding the salary cap and h he's 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: the resident expert. I just told Brian man with everybody, 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: every Report Ravens reporter looks to Brian for help on 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: figuring out some of these tricky roster decisions and salary 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: cap stuff. So you can follow his work follow him 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Ravens Salary Cap and then as I said, 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: also on Russell Street Report dot com. So thanks for 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: joining us, Brian. Sure, thanks rating mail guys, and so 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: let's let's start here. Can you just explain where the 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Ravens currently stand with their salary cap space. Sure, so 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: they just they just resigned David Sharp last week that 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: gets them up to fifty one players under contract. That 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: puts them a little under twenty seven million in cap space. 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: That's president cap space. Obviously, there's some many things I'll 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: have to do, and obviously I'm sure one of the 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: topics we're going to get into is Lamar and how 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: they're going to make that possibly work. So so that's 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: where they are at this point, they're at fifty one players. Finally, 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: so some players they if they signed some lower price 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: players from here on out, they won't even count on 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: the cap at this point. Obviously, once you get to September, 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: everybody counts, but for the all season, only the top 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: fifty one players count, right, and at twenty seven million, 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: kind of can you give us a general feeling of 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: how that ranks in the NFL? Like you know, obviously, 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: as you said, the quarterback isn't included in that, and 36 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: that's going to take a huge chunk out of that, 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: if not all of it. And so you know, where 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: do the are the Ravens in good position where they 39 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: kind of at when you look related to the rest 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: of the league. Yeah, I mean compared to the as 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: you said, the quarterback is the issue. But as far 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: as cap space goes, they're in the top ten, probably 43 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: around seven, eight or nine. There's not a lot of 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: cap space out there sometimes, you know, this time of 45 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: year or in past years, have been plenty of teams 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: with fifty sixty seventy when the obviously the twenty and 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: twenty cap dropping back or actually twenty twenty one cap 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: dropping back because of COVID going from you know, going 49 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: down like twenty million, and we're still trying to catch 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: up for that. So this year the cap that the 51 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: cap is too twenty four point eight just under two 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: twenty five million. That probably if things had gone the 53 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: way they were expected that that's probably twenty million more 54 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 1: than it is now. That would be a different conversation. 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they were they honestly were in really good 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: cap situation heading into that, and obviously it hit every team, 57 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: not just them. Right, So now we are expecting major jumps. 58 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: The TV money is about to hit in, really hit in. 59 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: So over the next couple of years we're expecting major jumps. 60 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: But at this point that you know, all the teams 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: are suffering from that, but they're in better shape than most. 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: But some of the teams that have more cap space 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: also have their quarterback under contract, So that's a big 64 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: that's the big variable obviously. So Ryan, we'll get into 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback. But you just mentioned this, and this is 66 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: something I've thought for a little while now. It seems 67 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: to me like because the the cap dropped back during 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: the COVID years, that in some ways the Ravens kind 69 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: of were robbed of the opportunity to fully maximize a 70 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie contract. Is that accurate in your mind, 71 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: because they would have expected to have money to go 72 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: out and get that's that's that's played, you know to 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: the fans here to go get a big time wide receiver, 74 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of money. Do you think it 75 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: is accurate to say they kind of were unable to 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: have that money to go out and make a move 77 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: like that because the cap came back the way that 78 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: it did. Yeah, I think I think that's probably accurate. 79 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, in nineteen Lamar's going into 80 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: twenty and twenty, you know, Lamar's coming off the MVP year. Actually, 81 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: they had young wide receivers that they were you know, 82 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: pretty you know looked uh certainly with Marcus Brown, you know, 83 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: it was looking like he was going to be something 84 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: really good, and Boykin, you know, had promise at that point, 85 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: and you know, and then twenty twenty happened, and then 86 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two cap again, that cap should have 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: been twenty million more, which means they they probably do 88 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: at that point. I guess think that's when they in 89 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: twenty one is when they drafted Bateman. But maybe it's 90 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: not Bateman. Maybe it's a you know, another late you know, 91 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: third round wide receiver, and maybe it is a m 92 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know who was available at that time, 93 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: but um, you know, maybe it is a veteran wide 94 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: receiver or young veteran wide receiver that they give a 95 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: big deal to. And I think that certainly did hamper 96 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: them for sure. Right, So let's go ahead and jump 97 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: into the conversation around Lamar, because this is what we 98 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: want to spend a good amount of time talking about it, 99 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: and that basically affects everything else that the Ravens can 100 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: do or can't do during this process. So the latest 101 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: report from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said that the Ravens and 102 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: Lamar could be about one hundred million dollars apart in 103 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: contract negotiations. Now The only things that we're getting on 104 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: this front are reports, So there's nothing from the Ravens 105 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: that it's man made public other than the fact that 106 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: they want to sign him long term. There's been nothing 107 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: from Lamar since the start of the season on this front, 108 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: but we're just reading the reports and reacting to those. 109 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: Lamar before that he wouldn't give them much before this season, yeah, exactly, 110 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: and there's been nothing really from him in general. Yeah. 111 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: So what do you make of that latest report and 112 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: what does that mean? Yeah, I think that latest report 113 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: actually lacks a lot of context. I mean, if we 114 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: go act to September, the reporting then, which I believe 115 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: was Adam Schefter and Chris Mortenson, that the offer had 116 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: been two hundred and fifty million over five years, and 117 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: I was an extension at that point, so it would 118 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: have been six years last year and then five new years, 119 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: but the new years, and when we measure contracts, we 120 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: measure what the new year average is, So the two 121 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: fifty by the five years, that's fifty a year. And 122 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: the report then was that the Ravens offered one hundred 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: and thirty three million fully guaranteed, which would have topped 124 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Wilson would have topped Kyler Murray's deals the most recent 125 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: quarterback deals as far as the most fully guaranteed money 126 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: offered other than obviously the elephant, the other elephant in 127 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: the room, and that's the Deschaud Watson deal. So so 128 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: that's and the difference between those two one hundred and 129 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: thirty three million that the Ravens, I guess will say 130 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: allegedly offered, reportedly offered, better reportedly offered versus Watson's two 131 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million fully guaranteed is well ninety seven million, 132 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: but we'll call it one hundred millions. So I don't 133 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: think that report from Fowler was a quote from some 134 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: executive saying that they could be from they could be 135 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: as much as one hundred million apart. I didn't sound 136 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: like there was any knowledge to that right that it was. 137 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: It was really just he was putting those numbers from 138 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: September together and saying, you know, which really didn't change 139 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: anything from where we were. Unfortunately, what Fowler's report lacked 140 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: in context is was at one hundred million difference in 141 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: the fully guarantee was at one hundred million difference in 142 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: total guarantees or Unfortunately, I think the way. A lot 143 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: of people took it one hundred million difference on total value, 144 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: which would mean, you know, one hundred and fifty versus 145 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: two hundred fifty million, right, that would be a gallopart, 146 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: whereas the fully guaranteed is something that can probably be bridged. 147 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: And now, obviously, if Lamar is stuck on fully guaranteed, 148 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: and you know, Steve Aschotti's stuck on not fully one 149 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: hundred percent fully guaranteed, then obviously it is it is 150 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: still a big golf to get through. But somewhere, hopefully 151 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: there's opening. You know, there's a middle ground there that 152 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: they can find between in that hundred million, and there's 153 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: there's different contractual ways of called vesting guarantees where if 154 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: he's on the roster and year three the first day 155 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: of the league year and year three, year four four 156 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: becomes fully guaranteed, it's already going to be gent most 157 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: likely that's already in the injury guaranteed the way they 158 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: do deals. But that way, you know that and then 159 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: the next year same thing. So ultimately it could be 160 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: fully guaranteed if he's there all five years, just using 161 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: five years as examples. So could you explain briefly, the 162 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: difference between fully guaranteed and total guarantees. Sure, so fully 163 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: guaranteed is no matter what reason other than retirement, of course, 164 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: but whatever reason the Bravens, if the Ravens decide we 165 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: don't want you anymore, whether it's a cap issue, whether 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: it's an injury issue, or whether it's a skill issue, 167 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: then he still gets it right. So he would get 168 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three million. There was also a 169 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: report that and seemingly quoting him from Diame Versini from 170 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: ESPN because she did the first game of the year 171 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: and she said he had told her. I don't remember 172 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: the exact but it was something like one hundred and 173 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: seventy or one hundred and eighty million total guarantees. Total 174 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: guarantees would generally be injury guarantees, so you can cut 175 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: him for skill, you can cut him for cap reasons. 176 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: But if he's hurt and you cut him, you own 177 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: the whole one hundred and seventy one hundred eighty million, 178 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: whatever it would be. And then often rolled into that 179 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: in the total guarantees is that vesting guarantee as well, 180 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: where you know, again if he's on the roster the 181 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: first day of the league year the year before then, 182 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: that for instance, in that year three, if he's there 183 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,239 Speaker 1: for year three, year four would probably be injury guaranteed, 184 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: but it would become fully guaranteed if if he's there 185 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: with these numbers, it's highly unlikely that they would be 186 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: moving on the way. They're going to have to structure 187 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: it with a big, big signing bonus and probably an 188 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: option bonus, which is the way they've done their deals recently. 189 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: It's unlikely he's not going to be here in year 190 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: four and five, So probably going to be fully guaranteed anyway, 191 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: whether it says it on the dotted line or not. 192 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: And certainly the way they hope he plays and the 193 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: way he hope he played, he hopes he plays, they're 194 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: not going to be cutting him loose anytime. In fact, 195 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: there's probably gonna be an extension after year three or four, 196 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: depending up on what the market's done, because especially with 197 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: the cap going through the roof the way, we're expecting 198 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: these other quarterback contracts that come along after this are 199 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: going to you know, the next guy always tops the 200 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: most recent guy, So I think that's gonna you know, 201 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: that will probably happen anyway, right, So I want to 202 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: go back, and the Fowler report is kind of based 203 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: on this premise from this other executive or whatever that 204 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: Lamar wants a fully guaranteed contract just like Deshaun Watson got, right. 205 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: That's that's the premise that they're working on in the 206 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: difference in the money there. And yeah, that's if that's 207 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: true or not. We don't know, right, yeah, I mean 208 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's my something right based on that. 209 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the numbers just work out perfectly. It's about 210 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: one hundred billion, and that's so that was just surmising 211 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: on that. Well, they could be as much as well. 212 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, you know, that's not 213 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: somebody unfortunately, I don't think that somebody's speaking for many knowledge, 214 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: right exactly, And I just want to we don't know. 215 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: We don't know if that's Lamar's demand or not. That's 216 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: been all the reports. We don't know. We don't. What 217 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: we do know is that you know, Deshaun Watson got 218 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: the five years, two hundred and thirty million dollar fully 219 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: guaranteed contract after he waved his no trade clause to 220 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: the Browns. They flashed the fully guaranteed and he said, 221 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: you know what, actually, I will go there. Um and 222 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: that deal obviously sent sent shock waves through the industry. 223 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: Right in the NFLPA took notice, right Jeremiah Trotter, former 224 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: Brown Center, NFLPA president, encourage other players to pursue fully 225 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts. dMar Smith on the Pivot podcast two weeks 226 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: ago said, and I quote, if you don't understand the 227 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: role of free agent players and guaranteeing contracts throughout sport, 228 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: you miss the fact that this is a pivotal moment 229 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: right behind Lamar, as talented as he is, think of 230 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: the number of quarterbacks coming right behind him. You mentioned, 231 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, basically alluded to guys like Joe Burrow, he said. 232 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: DeMar Smith said, all those guys coming behind him on 233 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: those free agent contracts. Literally, the weight of whether we 234 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: move forward on guaranteed contracts is now. So I think 235 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: it's safe to say that we know the NFLPA sees 236 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: this as a pivotal moment for guaranteed contracts and that 237 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: they are pushing this. So my question to you is 238 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: how far away do you think the league is form 239 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: more fully guaranteed contracts in the NFL like we see 240 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: in other Sports. Yeah, I think at this point, right now, 241 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: the Watson deal is the out again because after that deal, 242 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Murray got a huge deal, Wilson got the huge deal, 243 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: and they didn't get fully guaranteed. I mean, if you 244 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: go back, Kirk Cousins got fully guaranteed. It was a 245 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: three year deal, so it wasn't as big of a deal. 246 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: But there were slew quarterback contracts that came after that 247 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: they weren't fully guaranteed, including including Aaron Rodgers coming off 248 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: of an MVP season, which if there was a guy 249 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: that really could have pushed this, that was probably the guy. Now, 250 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Watson's was unique, and then he was sort of a 251 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: free agent and not a free agent, and as you said, 252 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he had taken Cleveland off the 253 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: list until they said, okay, we'll fully guarantee it. And 254 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm assuming because he didn't really want to go there. 255 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: He wanted wanted the either Atlanta or New Orleans. He 256 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: went back to them and said, hey, get me fully guaranteed, 257 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: and they said no. I mean, I think that's fair 258 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: to surmise, so will somebody. I mean, you know, I 259 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: mean there's plenty of arguments out there, but you know, 260 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: would somebody offer Lamar a fully guaranteed deal. And this 261 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: is one of those problems with not having an agent. 262 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: If he had an agent, that agent would know right now. 263 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: I know it's tampering, but that agent would know right 264 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: now whether he could get fully guaranteed somewhere. And if 265 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: he knew that, he'd go to the Ravens. And I mean, 266 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: obviously they could say they could call his bluff if 267 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: he was if they thought he was bluffing, but I 268 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: can get fully guaranteed, either get him fully guaranteed or 269 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: we want to trade, you know, or or on the 270 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: other flip side, if he can't get fully guaranteed, he's 271 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: gonna go to Lamar and say, I can't get fully 272 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: know what he's going to give you fully guaranteed. If 273 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: you want to stay in Baltimore, let's get it done right. 274 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: And so that's one of the problems without having an agent. 275 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: So you know, and if it does come to a trade, 276 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what usually what usually happens is 277 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: the Ravens would say, Okay to the agent, go you know, 278 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: go find us, you know, go find us to trade 279 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: partner who's willing to give you what you want. Well, 280 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: the dynamic of do you say that the Lamar Lamar go, 281 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, go talk to the falcons, go talk to 282 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: the dolphins. It's it's a weird, weird situation, right right, 283 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: and and it's and and Lamar has every right to 284 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: do whatever he wants. You know, I'm not, you know, 285 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: but it does. Things could be easier on him too, 286 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, you you had an agent, you know, 287 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have to negotiate directly with the 288 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: general manager who negotiations has to say. You know, he 289 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: says I'm better than Borrow. You know that. You know, 290 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: if he had an agent, the DaCosta may say, well, 291 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: maybe he's not. You know, I just used an example. 292 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he is or not. But you know, 293 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: but when it's Lamar, he's got to say, well, no, 294 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: we don't think you are. I mean, how difficult is that? 295 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such an odd situation. So um 296 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: but sorry I kind of tangented there. But so when 297 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: is it going to happen? I don't think it's going 298 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: to happen anytime soon because if you and less Lamar 299 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: and less Lamar the one, because I don't see Burrow 300 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: getting it from the Bengals. I don't see Herbert getting 301 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: it from the Chargers because those and you had to 302 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, people want to complain. Everybody 303 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: wants to complain about the coach and the you know, 304 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: the general manager and the owner and things like that. 305 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: And it's every team, it's every fan base. But Steve 306 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: Bashatti's wealth is not this team. You know. Um, Mike 307 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: Brown's wealth is the team. What he makes. He lives 308 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: off of the team. You know. Bashatti doesn't live off 309 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: the team. If Bashatti didn't known the team, he's got 310 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: plenty of other resources, you know. So it's so that's 311 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: why I don't see those other teams doing it, because 312 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: they're that's taking money out of their pocket. And then 313 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: we because it's the s growth thing where you have 314 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: to escrow. You know. So if Lamar got you know, 315 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty million deal, got a sixty 316 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: million dollars signing bonus, and a ten million salary, that's 317 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: seventy this year, then they to es grow one hundred 318 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: and eighty million by sometime this spring of once it's 319 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: signed sometime then to April or end of March or 320 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: something like that or may or maybe it's even the 321 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: following year, but still it's a big check to right. 322 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: And if it's if it's a guy like Mike Brown 323 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: or Spanos, that's coming out of their pocket, so to speak, 324 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: more than it's coming out of a shady So that's 325 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: not I don't think that's really the issue for the 326 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: Ravens per se, but those other two it's definitely an issue. 327 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: And that's why I don't see them, um, you know, 328 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: getting that kind of deal. So I don't know who's 329 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: the next one after that. I guess I guess Hurts 330 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: would probably. I mean he's in the second year, so 331 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: he could get a deal after next year, so you know. Um, 332 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: that's you know, as I just don't see it happening 333 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: anytime soon. It's I could see it on other players 334 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: when it's lesser amounts. Yeah, oh, the quarterback is always 335 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: quarterback driven, granted, but I could see a team saying 336 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: to a top line defensive end, you know will give 337 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: you because that's only one hundred million fully guaranteed, you know, 338 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: not two hundred and fifty or where it's going. You know, 339 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: the next couple are going to go guarding to start 340 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: approaching three hundred and the next couple of years. Right. 341 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: So the question basically, and this is you know, one 342 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: of the many things that everyone's kind of trying to 343 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: figure out here is if the Ravens and Lamar reach 344 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: a deal, what does it look like? You know? So 345 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, Brian, we're putting you in the room. Okay, 346 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: you got to figure out this deal, and Lamar give 347 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: you some points on that deal. Ryan. So now if 348 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: I go ahead and figure it out, what does that 349 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: deal look like? Yeah? I mean I think I mean 350 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: you're probably looking I mean two fifty was this fall, 351 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 1: so you're probably looking at on a five year I mean, 352 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: I think the Ravens would prefer a six year deal 353 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: the life they if they gotten him to sign before 354 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: last season, it would have been six years. So the 355 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: longer deal is better for the Ravens. Shorter deals better 356 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: for Lamar because the longer the deal, you can make 357 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: those first couple of cap years much more palatable. You know, 358 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: if it's a three or one hundred and fifty million 359 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: dollar deal, you gotta get one hundred and fifty million 360 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: in those three years. You're looking at forty five, fifty 361 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: and fifty five. You know where I was on a 362 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: six year deal, you could probably get that first year 363 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: cap number. I mean, the way they've the way they 364 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: do their deals, big big signing bonus, first year option bonus, 365 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: the second year, you could probably get that down to 366 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty for a cap number this year. 367 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you could get a lower if you really wanted. 368 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned earlier, sixty million dollars bonus over 369 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: five years. You know, that's twelve million a year, ten 370 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: million dollars salary. It's a twenty two million dollar cap 371 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: it for the first year, So somewhere in that, you know, 372 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: maybe in that twenty to thirty million range, and within 373 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: then the back years there would be a sixty five 374 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: million maybe. But at that point, you know, that's that's 375 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: six years down the road and the cap should be 376 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: way higher, and so it's a little easier to you know, 377 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: a little easier to more palatable to work out with 378 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: your cap. So then if if they don't reach out 379 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: a long term deal, uh then before free agency opens, 380 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: then the other option is the franchise tag. And you know, 381 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: the franchise tag kind of serves multiple purposes, um, you know, 382 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: but it could be a band aid or it could 383 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: be something that ends up obviously extending into the season. 384 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: So there's there's two options there. There's the exclusive or 385 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: the non exclusive tag. The non exclusive tag comes at 386 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: a cap hit of thirty two point four million, the 387 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: exclusive at forty five point two million. And the difference 388 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: there again for listeners, uh, non exclusive tag, another team 389 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: could come in and sign him and then have to 390 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: go up the two first round picks. Exclusive tag is 391 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: that the Ravens with the only team that could he 392 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: has to play under that exclusive, not an option to 393 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: match that offer. Yeah, yeah, they Ravens would have the 394 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: Under the non exclusive, they still would have the option 395 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: to match, right, So, um, what do you think would 396 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: it be the exclusive or the non exclusive tag that 397 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: the Ravens would use if it's to that point. I 398 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: think the safest course, although it to be honest with 399 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: your ruins their cap unless they get a long term 400 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: deal done after that is the exclusive because his value 401 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: on the market has got to be more than two 402 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: first round picks. Um. Plus, you don't know which team 403 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: is going to be that team, so it could be 404 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: a team that you know and you expect next year. 405 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: If he's if if he does, if he did sign 406 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: an offer sheet and they didn't match. You expect that team, 407 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: whoever they are, to be pretty good next year with him, 408 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: which means that pick is not necessarily a high pick. Okay, 409 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: so what are the it's their next two first round picks? 410 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: That team, it's two first round picks. Yeah, it's that 411 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: team's first round pick this year and first round pick 412 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: next year. But it has to be that team's pick 413 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: or a higher pick. So, for instance, the Dolphins do 414 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: not have their first round pick this year because they 415 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: they forfeited on the Brady tampering thing. They might have 416 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: somebody else's first round pick, or maybe they don't. Um 417 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: if they don't well either way, if if it's a 418 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: lower pick, they would not be able to sign on 419 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: an offer sheet. They would not be Now if it's 420 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: a higher pick, if they do have it, I can't 421 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: remember they do have feel like they have somebody's pick. 422 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: If they do have it and it's higher than theirs, 423 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: and there's was twenty one I think, because there's supposed 424 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: to be twenty three, but it works out to be 425 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: twenty two since they don't have a pick. UM if 426 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: it is higher than they can because we get a 427 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: better pick um and if for a team that doesn't 428 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: have a first round pick, they cannot do an offer sheet. 429 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: So that's part of the calculus for the Ravens to 430 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: look at who they might think would be interested and 431 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: wear their picks and things like that. Right, But even 432 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: then two first round picks is I mean, based on 433 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: the lots and trade and based on the Wilson trade, 434 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: that's not enough right now, you know, I take it. 435 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: I will say if if if Houston comes knocking and 436 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: wants to give up the second round that or the 437 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: number two pick and the twelve I think they have 438 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: or something like that, you know that two might be 439 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: enough with some you know, some other compensation, because that's 440 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: you know, the second you know, the number two overall 441 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: pick and a pretty high pick that you know, that's 442 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: that's burd in the hand versus what are you going 443 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: to get next year? Uh, you know with a first 444 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: and our two years down the road again with Lamar 445 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: is that team's quarterback. So um, that's not that's again 446 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: part of the the kind of part of the calculus for 447 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: the team. But so the so I think the non 448 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: exclusive tag is dangerous, they'll put it lightly unless they 449 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: feel very confident that they're nobody's going to be able 450 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: to help bid them, whatever that means. But if you know, 451 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: some desperate team comes along and says, fully guaranteed, clearly 452 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: the Ravens are outbid, unless Bishati changed his mind. So 453 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: I think you got to go. I think if they 454 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: have to tag him, it's got to be the exclusive although, 455 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: like I said, it really kind of wrecks the cap 456 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: from that from the rest of the season, to be 457 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: honest with you, and the exclusive tag, if they were 458 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: to trade Lamar, which we're not saying they are, or 459 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: they're you know, Eric's cost to shut down all that talk, right, 460 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: if they were the team that would be trading for him, 461 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: would either have him under that number the forty five 462 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: point two projected, right or presumably if they are working, 463 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: if they're going to execute that trade, then they are 464 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: have a long term deal in place. Basically, yeah, absolutely, 465 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: there's nobody's trading for him, right, Yeah, nobody's trading for him, 466 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: just on the tag with the hope because then all 467 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: the bargaining power goes to Lamar right now, and again, 468 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: this is where you know, if there is a team 469 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: out there, and if you know, if they reach the 470 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: point we have to trade him. This isn't going to work, 471 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: you know. Then, you know, I know Lamar has advisors, 472 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: and I don't honestly don't know how that works whether 473 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: advisors can go in and um because that's why you 474 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: have agents, and that's why if then if the NFLPA 475 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: has certified agents that they they oversee. So I don't 476 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: think an advisor can go in and negotiate. Now, maybe 477 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: the advisor and Lamar can be on the same zoom, 478 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, with with the other with the general manager 479 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: or the other team or whatever. But that's again the 480 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: sort of the I don't know, bizarreness might be too 481 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: strong of a word, but the you know, it's just 482 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: the strangeness of this whole situation. But yes, any team 483 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: that's going to give up multiple first round picks is 484 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: going to have and a deal worked out before that 485 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: trade would occur. Right, So so let's let's say under 486 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: the premise, if he's on the exclusive tag, that's forty 487 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: five projective forty five point two million dollars. You said 488 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: the Ruvens are sitting at twenty seven right now, Yeah, 489 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: so we have my my math tells me that's an 490 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: eight million dollars difference. Yeah, so the Ravens would have 491 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: to clear some cap space. How do you expect that 492 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: the Ravens would do that? Yeah, I mean at that point, 493 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: they're going to have to basically restructure all all their 494 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: big named players, all their big salary players. They've they've 495 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: already did. The thing about that is they've already done 496 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley twice. They've already restructured Marlon Humphrey twice. Stanley's 497 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: cap number this year is about twenty one million. I 498 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: think next year it's going to be twenty six million. 499 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: The next two years the last two years of his deal, 500 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: so twenty four and twenty five can be twenty six. 501 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: Any restructure is going to push that to twenty nine, 502 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty nine the big cap number. Now, they 503 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: got to do what they gotta do, granted, but you'd 504 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: probably rather not go to that. Well, now, thankfully, you know, 505 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: he came back from the injury. He's I was surprised 506 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: they'd restructuring him last year, given he was coming off 507 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: of an the injury, you know, and who knew you know, 508 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: it was kind of up in the air and people 509 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: were worried about whether you know he's going to ever 510 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: be the same again, thankfully, at least at the least 511 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: now that's behind him, so they can feel a little 512 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: our confident in it. But that's still pushing a really 513 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: high cab number. Now, a contract extension for either of 514 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: those guys, adding a couple of years on spread that 515 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: out a little more. That may be an option there 516 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: as well. You know, there a couple of guys Klais Campbell. Obviously, 517 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: they're awaiting his decision on whether he wants to return 518 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: or retire. If he retires, it's seven million dollars in 519 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: cap savings. It's a nice chunk of change. If they 520 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: just decide we you know, we can't have him at 521 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: any number again, it's seven million dollars if they release 522 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: him as well. He's probably a guy that I would 523 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: expect if he wants to return, and he played very 524 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: well this year. You know, I would think he would 525 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: get what I call the Marshal Yonda treatment. And that 526 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: is the last couple of years of Yonda's career. He's 527 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: playing on a series of two year deals. He played 528 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: the year, get to the second year, he's okay, I 529 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: want to come back, all right, we'll add another year 530 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: on and you know, and spread that money out so 531 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: it would lower so they wouldn't get for Campbell, they 532 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't get a whole seven million dollars in cap savings, 533 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: but maybe they get four and four million in savings 534 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: and keeping him around. Yeah, that's a pretty good deal, right. 535 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler's another guy. Maybe he's on the last year 536 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: of his deal and extension. But then there are other 537 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: But then they're gonna be guys. You know, Chuck Clark 538 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: obviously he's a little up in the air his future here. 539 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: But you know, Gus Edwards is a guy that I'm 540 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 1: sure they would like to keep around. But it's almost 541 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: four and a half million in cap savings if he 542 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: if he's released or traded that you know, if they've 543 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: got to make that decision, they're gonna be a couple 544 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: of guys like that, probably more than a few that 545 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: they're going to have to make tough to see if 546 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: if he has to play, if they got to get 547 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: him under at forty five million, and there's no guarantee 548 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: they get him signed, and by the time they get him, 549 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: if they did resign him by July, by then, what 550 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: you're spending your money on is all pretty much gone, right, So, um, 551 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: so they're gonna have to make it if it's forty 552 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: five and they gotta they can't go in assuming they're 553 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: going to sign him because it's been you know, three 554 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: years trying to sign him. So um. You know, that's 555 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: a tough number to swallow. And that's gonna mean they're 556 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: gonna be undrafted free agents to fill out the back 557 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: end of the roster. Um. I kind of equated it to, um, well, 558 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: we just saw the thirty thirty, but the year after 559 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: that Super Bowl, they restructured every player, an every name 560 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: player on that team to keep their keep their buddies back. Yeah, 561 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: keep everybody around. But what that meant was, I hate 562 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: to say it, but you had Benny Anderson has a 563 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: rookie undrafted free agents starting at your right guard spot, 564 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: and then when seriously went down, you had a series 565 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: of you know, journeyman none of who played well playing 566 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: right tackle. And then of course you had your running 567 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: backs behind Jamal you had you know, Terry Allen who 568 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: was at the end of his career, and a couple 569 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. So you know, that's not a great 570 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: way to go about it. But you gotta do. They 571 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: don't have to do what they have to do. If 572 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: if they want to keep him and they that's what 573 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: and that and they can't get a deal, that's what 574 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: they gotta do. So you know, I think I kind 575 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: of know the answer here is we're talking about being 576 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: really tight against the cap in that situation. There's also 577 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: players who are said to become unrestricted free agents. The 578 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: top two names there probably are Ben Powers, who I 579 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: think played his way to a nice contract, and then 580 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: Marcus Peters. Um. So if if if Lamar's on that 581 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: exclusive tag, what happens with those guys? Is it just 582 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: going to be too much to bring them back? Yeah? 583 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: I think if Lamar's on the exclusive tag, um they're 584 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: they're shut down for free agency. And I think that's 585 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: where you you know, at cornerback, you have to hope 586 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: that uh Armor Davis and and and Pettie Williams take 587 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 1: that and that next step, you know, I mean, that's 588 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: what they drafted them for, you know, they draft them 589 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: for the future, and well the futures now, you know, um, 590 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: because I just don't see I mean, because out you go, 591 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, you got the forty five. So that's what you, 592 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: as you said, eighteen million more just to get him 593 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: under But then you do you are going you know, 594 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: some veterans you can resign for relatively cheap and there 595 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: there aren't going to affect a cap that much. But 596 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: you've got to have that money set aside. Guys you're 597 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: gonna get injured, you have the injury replacements you have 598 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: to have, you know these days, five million to carry 599 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: into the season for in season injuries. Your practice squad 600 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: is going to cost a couple of million dollars right 601 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: by itself. Um, and um, you know you have your 602 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: your practice squad elevations. Um, you know that you have 603 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: every year, Um, that you have to set it. You 604 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: have to budget money for for a half to have 605 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: during the season. So I mean there's there could be 606 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 1: another thirteen million or so. Let's just say of space 607 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: that they're going to need. I mean, right now, the 608 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,479 Speaker 1: top fifty one players count against the cap during the season. 609 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: Everybody counts, so pup and then just a much less 610 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: player fifty two and fifty three. The minimum is seven 611 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That's just a no, that's 612 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: another million and a half just to add those two 613 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: guys to the cap once that rule the fifty one end. 614 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: So I mean that's a lot. I mean, you know, 615 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 1: that's so now you're looking at you know, thirty I 616 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: got to create thirty million in cap space. I'm not 617 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: sure where that leaves a whole lot of extra extra 618 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: dollars around to do much else elsewhere. Well, the interesting 619 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: thing to me also is, you know, if the Ravens 620 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: were to reach a long term deal with Lamar and 621 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: it's let's just work with your framework that you said earlier, 622 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: it's a cap hit in year one of twenty to 623 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: twenty five million. Well we're looking at twenty seven right now. 624 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: So it's not like there's like, even if that happens, 625 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: which is the best case scenario here, it's not like 626 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: they have free money just all right, we can sign 627 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: whoever we want. Yeah, Like, yeah, it's it's yeah, I mean, 628 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: it's it's the idea of you are not borrowing from 629 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: your future caps right as much if it's forty if 630 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: it's forty five, you're borrowing a huge amount of money 631 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: from your future caps, which then next year you're having 632 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: the same conversation or the conversation of why don't we 633 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: have as much cap space as we shout right, Well, 634 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: it's because we've been barring and that's what you know, 635 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: that's what the Saints have been going through when they 636 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: were trying to maximize the Drew group, that crew breeze here. 637 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: The Steelers that feel like restructures people all the time. 638 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: They I feel like they've been doing that too. They 639 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: were doing that too. And then now that Roethelisberger came off, 640 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: then they've got young quarterbacks. They obviously cleans the cap 641 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: up a lot. Yeah, exactly, And so I guess my 642 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: question there is, like you know, as I said, the 643 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: best case scenario is a long term deal with Lamar, 644 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: and then it's also on top of that, well, we 645 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: need to give Lamar more weapons because we all saw 646 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: the shortcomings at wide receiver this year. If the Ravens 647 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: reached that long term deal with Lamar, do you feel 648 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: like that now, you know, signing a Lazard or trading 649 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: for DeAndre Hopkins, Like you know, Hopkins has been all 650 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: the buzz with Ravens. Fancy, Like, is that stuff on 651 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: the table in your estimation? Yeah, I think that's certain 652 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: a post then it's a possibility because again they you 653 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: know they're gonna if they're gonna going to have to 654 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: create cap space one way or another, then it's you 655 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: can create a you know, a reasonable amount of cap 656 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: space without having to go crazy at the forty forty 657 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: five million number, right, Um. And you know, if you're 658 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: if you're you know, all long term deals be at 659 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: a lazard and or if they traded for Hopkins there, 660 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's got two years left on 661 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: his deal. They would redo that deal and lower that 662 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars cap number to you know eight or 663 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: ten or nine or ten. I mean if you look 664 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: at I mean, if you look at Broquan Smith's deal, 665 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: you know that's twenty million a year as first year 666 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: cap number is nine, right, which I was expecting it 667 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: to be lower, to be honest with you. Um. So 668 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if we can read anything into that 669 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: other than they feel confident either they're gonna get Lamar 670 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: done or if they get him at forty five, they're 671 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: gonna have enough space because I would have thought that, 672 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, that extra four million dollars there would have 673 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: made a a lot of difference if they because I 674 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: would think it's going to be right around five, Um, 675 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: and then obviously create higher numbers in the back end. 676 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: But um, so you know, I mean, yeah, but that 677 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: they they can create the space. If the long term 678 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: deal is the key. They get the long term deal done, 679 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: then I think they have enough wiggle room with other 680 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: guys that they can, you know, they can make it happen. 681 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: And so really that just depends on if they get 682 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: the deal done. If if if it's the franchise tag, 683 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: then everybody over here in you know, sending us questions 684 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: every week to the lounge at Ravens at NFL dot net, 685 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: or sending us questions on mail bag about DEAs Hopkins. Uh, 686 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: you can kiss that goodbye. You know, that's just not 687 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I can't imagine it. But you know, obviously 688 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: never say never. I haven't. I haven't run the numbers. 689 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: If they restructure everybody, everybody, you're making one next year, yeah, 690 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: I mean, if they restructure everybody, I like, I'm you know, yeah, yeah, 691 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: maybe maybe they can make it work. Um, but forty 692 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: five plus the future expenses plus a big deal like that, 693 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: that's gonna be hard to do, right, So, so Cardinals 694 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: would have to eat all that right right. So another 695 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: interesting guy is a Patrick Queen, and Eric Decastos asked 696 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: about him at the pressor the season review pressor, because 697 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: his fifth year option is coming up, and so the 698 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: Ravens have to decide whether they're going to pick that up. 699 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: It looks like you were coming in about twelve point 700 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: seven million for twenty twenty four, and like I said, 701 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: Eric did not say whether the Ravens are gonna pick 702 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: it up or not. What do you think will the 703 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: Ravens ultimately end up exercising that option? And I think that, yeah, 704 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: they have to do it just before this season. You know, 705 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: that's a decision. When is it, Brian May first, the 706 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: Monday after It's always the Monday after the draft. So 707 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: so yeah, so I think they will. But another variable 708 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: here again is Lamar. Right, So if they've tagged Lamar, 709 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: if they're not making any progress on a deal, which 710 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: means I got to tag him next year, um, then 711 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: that extra twelve million of cap space may matter. Now 712 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: they could move like they did with Humphrey. They could 713 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: move and you know, sign try to see if they 714 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: can sign Queen to a long term deal that um 715 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: might not make his cap number that much next year, 716 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: or they can I mean, they can always do that. 717 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: It does become fully guaranteed, um once once it's once, 718 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: once they placed the tender. So um, you can't cut him. 719 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: You can't say, oh, we don't have the cap space, 720 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: we're cutting you. They'd have to trade him for a 721 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: ham sandwich probably at that point next year. But that's 722 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: not a really great option either. So um, because obviously 723 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: a team taking him on a twelve million is you know, 724 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: not not necessarily what that team might want. Any team 725 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: might want to do. So um, I think they will though, 726 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: because he seems like the kind of guy they don't. 727 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: They don't general let first round picks go away, you know, 728 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: too often in their history, so I would unless they're 729 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, not very good. And now, of course, I 730 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: guess the question is that they think, you know, Queen 731 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: will have another good year. Obviously before by mid season 732 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: he was starting to come around. But obviously once Roquan 733 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: came and seemed to be able to them, allow them 734 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: to free Queen up to do what he did best 735 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: as opposed to trying to do everything like Roquan does. 736 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: So you know, if they feel he's still a good fit, 737 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: paying a lot, but a long term deal down the 738 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 1: road is paying a lot, you know, for two inside linebackers. 739 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: So you know that's something where maybe they you know, 740 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: maybe they look to trade him either now or you know, 741 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's the case, but or next offseason 742 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: if they if they have him, but they can't I 743 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: use a free agent if they don't use the tender. 744 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: So I would think they'll tender him. But again, Lamar, 745 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, Lamar's cap number would be fifty it's twenty 746 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: percent an increase, so it's gonna be fifty eight fifty 747 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: eight the next year, right, Um, so that's that's basically 748 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: you're twelve million roughly your twelve million dollars there. So um, 749 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: you know. Now that said, if you know, kind of tangenterly, 750 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: if if Lamar plays this year on the franchise tag, 751 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: he's either they're trading him next year. I think next 752 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: year is the is the push comes to shove year. 753 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't think this year is because next year, because 754 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: of the third year, the tag for the third year 755 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: would be eighty some million. That's not happening, even even 756 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: with the plan to increase, even even with a huge 757 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: increase in the cap. So if they had him play 758 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: on the tag next year too. He'd leave the following 759 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: year as a free agent. They get a third round 760 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: compensatory pick, obviously way below fair market value, so they 761 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: would they would they? I think, you know, the rubber 762 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: meets the road, so to speak, next year more than 763 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: this year. Now, that doesn't mean they may not decide 764 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: to trade them this year if they if they feel 765 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: they're far apart. Again, not saying they would, but next year, 766 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: I think is the one that if they can't get it, 767 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: If they can't get a deal this year and can't 768 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,959 Speaker 1: next year, they would have they would have to trade 769 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: them to get value. Right. Speaking of another quarterback, there's 770 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: another quarterback contract decision to make, and that's Snoop. You know, 771 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 1: Snoop is a restrictive free agent. It's kind of flown 772 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: under the radar. Uh. You know, they could put a 773 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: first round tender on them, a second round tender, a 774 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: right of your first refusal. First round tenders round six 775 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: million dollars. I think second round four point three, right, 776 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: first refusal is two point six. And this is a 777 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: guy pro bowler, right, guy, you came in and it started, 778 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, a number of games and played pretty well. 779 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: So what do you think they do in terms of 780 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: uh snoop. Yeah, so this is another one of those. 781 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: And they have six restricted free agents this year, which 782 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: is a high number, right, And a lot of that 783 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: has to do here we go back to the pandemic year. 784 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: So normally you have to play in six games in 785 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: a season to earn an accrued season, and for every 786 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: for four and once you have three accrued season to 787 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: become a restricted free agent, four crude seasons, you become 788 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent. Um the COVID year, every player 789 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: who played in one game, just one game, not six 790 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: one he can't got in a crude season and snoop 791 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: at what was it the Pittsburgh game? Right? I think 792 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: it was the Actually he played in a couple because 793 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, but but he still 794 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: was under the sixth and I think it was a story. Yeah, 795 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: he was on the roster for three um so, but 796 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: that still got him an accrude season. Right now, he'd 797 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: been exclusive right exclusive rights free agent M nine eighty, 798 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: I think it would be and you know, and wouldn't 799 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: be in it last year, right yeah. Yeah, So just 800 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: it just gets like a seventy thousand dollars bump, and 801 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, and and that's it not a you know, 802 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: three million dollar plus on right, if it's if it's 803 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: the second round tender. So I mean, I guess obviously 804 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: a lot of this depends on Lamar. If they trade 805 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: Lamar and they're going to a different style of offense, 806 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: does you know, does Snoop's value go down to them? Um? 807 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,439 Speaker 1: You know, if they're doing more of a true drop back, 808 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, behind the center kind of situation, then maybe 809 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: it's the low tender. If obviously Lamar's going to be 810 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: here by long term deal or tag or tag, I 811 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: think he's got I think he has more value to them. 812 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: But again, if you're going you know, exclusive tag with 813 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: Lamar is four million dollars, I think I think, all 814 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: things being equal, you you know, if they have plenty 815 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: of cap space, they do the second round, they a heartbeat, right, 816 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: you know. But you know, again, this is one of 817 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: those where making difficult decisions. Now if you know, a 818 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: Snoop is happy being a backup so to speak, and 819 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: loves playing for the Ravens and wants to be here 820 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: with Lamar, you know, and because they're good friends, know, 821 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: maybe there's a long term, you know, and a lot 822 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: of these restricted free agents, I think you'll see I 823 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: don't think Snoops probably the only one getting a tender. Um. 824 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: I think the others um will they'll work on as 825 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: they've done in the past. Anthony Levine was a guy 826 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: they did, you know, they they would say, okay, well 827 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: we don't want you know, we're not going to give 828 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: you two million or three million dollars, but we'll you know, 829 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: we'll spread that out over four years, and your average 830 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: per year will be much lower. So it's as as 831 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: opposed to a one year, you know, one year, four 832 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,439 Speaker 1: million dollar deal, We'll give you a three year deal 833 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: that averages two and a half something like that, and 834 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: that makes it more palatable. And then again they can 835 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: make that first year cap number pretty low. And in 836 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: Snoop's case, they could add a lot of incentives in 837 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: two So if he starts eight games and throw or 838 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: throws twenty touchdowns, you know, he gets a million another 839 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: million dollars or something like that. So you know, they 840 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: could they could work that for backup quarterbacks. A lot 841 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: of them are very incentive laden, so they get you know, 842 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: they get their base salary, but then they get extra. 843 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: If they play and play well, they get extra. You 844 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: touched on this earlier. Is there anybody who you think 845 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: could be eligible for an extension, you know, like the 846 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: Ravens did that you mentioned with Marlon Humphrey. Could it 847 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: be like a Devin DuVernay or anybody else who could 848 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: be eligible or a good fit for a long term 849 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: extension to help with this cap situation. Yeah, well, I 850 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: think Zeidler is one Zeidler. If he's not here, I 851 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to retire. It doesn't sound like 852 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: a based on his wife's tweet about she had heard 853 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: anything about it or anything like that. But there's six 854 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: there's six and a half million in cap savings there 855 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: if he retired or if they released him, and again 856 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: if they got to make space. I hate to say it, 857 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: but that's one of those places he'd rather release one 858 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: guy than three guys to get six and a half million, 859 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: because you've got to replace three then as opposed to one. Now. 860 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want to see that in any way, 861 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 1: but he would be a perfect guy, kind of like 862 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned with Campbell earlier. You know, a three year 863 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: extension you could probably save you know, four million dollars 864 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: off of that three to four million dollars and that's 865 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: a that's a win win. Um. Duvernat is another one, 866 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, because he received an escalator because by 867 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: virtue of making the UM the Pro Bowl in it 868 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 1: and before for his fourth year, his salary basically went 869 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: up three million dollars, three over three million dollars. It's 870 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: one of that point where you want to vote for 871 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: the guy for Pro Bowl, but maybe nine Well that's 872 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: one where yeah, and that's one where special teams like 873 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: if you have a long snapper, right, you know all 874 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if um, if if Nick Moore 875 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,280 Speaker 1: had had been had been the Pro Bowl, he would 876 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: he would have gone again from well he's a restricted 877 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: free agent. He's another one where I think they would 878 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: look to extend him to a long term deal. But 879 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean if he was still in it and he 880 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: did play in one game, he played in the Steeler game, 881 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: the COVID game. Yeah, um, and that and that got 882 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: him an accruiting season otherwise, you know, but otherwise you're 883 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: you're talking, you know, a three million dollars bump. I mean, 884 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: you're not paying a long You're not paying a long 885 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: snap for four million, four point three million dollars. Yeah, 886 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, just not nobody is either. So that's where 887 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: you might have you know, some you know, in situations 888 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: like that, you might have some negotiating room because we 889 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: you can cut me, but we can cut you. But 890 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: nobody else has given you that either. So um so yeah, 891 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 1: So I mean I think Duvernad would be good, but 892 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's tough. What's his you know, what's his 893 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: role in the offense going forward? Does he want before 894 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: we get there? Does he want to know who the 895 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: coordinator is? Does he want to see Lamar on a 896 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: long term deal? You know? Um and and you know, 897 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: are we bringing in a veteran wide receiver and drafting another? 898 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 1: And does he go from you know, starting the season 899 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: as the number two to now next year starting the 900 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: season as the four? Um and you know, then that 901 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,839 Speaker 1: extension may work out great for us, but not great 902 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: for him because he might want to go somewhere or 903 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of two or three year extension. 904 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: He's looking on maximizing the next two or three years 905 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: so that he can hit the free agent markets still 906 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: relatively young, and maybe have you know, better stats that 907 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: think it does now. So you know, those are all variables, 908 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: but there are certainly guys like that for sure. The 909 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: last one I have for you, Brian is what's the 910 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: long term financial outlook for the Ravens? And obviously, as 911 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,880 Speaker 1: we've said, I feel like a hundred times Lamar is 912 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: a huge component in this. But you know, the traditional 913 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: thought is, you know, if you pay a quarterback and 914 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: give them that huge deal, well it makes it harder 915 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: to afford, you know, putting pieces around him and keeping 916 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: different guys on both sides of the ball, not just 917 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,320 Speaker 1: offensive weapons, but defensively as well. If Baltimore pays Lamar, 918 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: what would they have to lose? How would this roster change? 919 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,320 Speaker 1: What would be the long term outlook for the Ravens. Yeah, 920 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: I mean it's um it certainly may a long term 921 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: deal certainly makes it harder. Obviously, And as you know, 922 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: as we kind of started out with, you know, the 923 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 1: the you know, the salad years of the rookie deal, 924 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: we're kind of derailed by the COVID in those two 925 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: years of COVID cap issues and even even still we're 926 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: feeling it. So you know, there's that that variable. It's 927 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: certainly going to make it harder. Now, you know, it's 928 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: hard to project where the cap is going over the 929 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: next couple of years because the TV money really hasn't 930 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: kicked in. That will be very helpful, certainly, but you 931 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: got to also think about most of the big quarterback 932 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: deals get restructured, so it's pushing money. You know, it's 933 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: a bit barring from the future, but it's pushing money out. 934 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,879 Speaker 1: I think the Homes deal has been redone every year. 935 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's has been redone. Watson's is about to get 936 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: redone because they're not going to carry him at fifty 937 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: four million dollars, so they're going to do restructures to 938 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: create space. It makes higher cap numbers on the back end. Now, 939 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: again this depends. I mean, if Lamar wants it through 940 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 1: your deal and they great or through your deal, you 941 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,400 Speaker 1: can't do a whole lot of restructuring because there's not 942 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: a back end, and the back end is right around 943 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: the corner. If it's a six year deal. And like 944 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: Mahomes deal, I mean Mahomes deal, that was a sweetheart deal. 945 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how the how the chiefs 946 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,320 Speaker 1: got him to agree to that, but that ten year deal. 947 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,359 Speaker 1: Every time they restructure. They can spread that out over 948 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,720 Speaker 1: five years, next one, next year, spread out over five years, 949 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: next year. So it's not like there's a back end 950 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,400 Speaker 1: where you run into oh crap, here comes year five 951 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: and we're in year three. We can't restructure anymore because 952 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: year five is already sixty seventy million R. So, so 953 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, obviously, if I keep saying this, I know, 954 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: but it all comes down to what kind of deal 955 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: of Mark gets. If he gets a deal, and you know, again, 956 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,720 Speaker 1: the longer term deal certainly works better for the Ravens, 957 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: but for him at age twenty six, the three year 958 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: deal sounds really good because I could be a free 959 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: agent at twenty nine, you know, and I could I 960 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: could keep if I don't if I'm not getting fully guaranteed, 961 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: I could basically make it fully guaranteed on a three 962 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,479 Speaker 1: year deal because you're not getting rid of me, and 963 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: three years from now we'll see where things are. So 964 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, if if if he had an agent, and 965 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm his agent, that's what I would be arguing for him, 966 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily what he's arguing now. I'd be arguing shorter deal. 967 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: They're not they can't get rid of you. I mean, 968 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: a sixty million dollars bonus on a three year deal 969 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: is at least a twenty million dollars dead money hit 970 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: in the third year, you know, depending on what other 971 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: parameters there are. So, I mean they'll find a way. 972 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,959 Speaker 1: They always do. I mean, they've they've done a pretty 973 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: good job of not borrowing too much from the future. 974 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: They didn't They've never done avoid years, They've never you know, 975 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: they've never done that route, which a lot of teams 976 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 1: in twenty one had to do. I mean it had 977 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,280 Speaker 1: to do because I mean when the cap came back again, 978 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: either it hurt the Ravens, but the Ravens weren't good 979 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: enough shape that they didn't have to ring more and 980 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: more and more from the future. And I know there 981 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: are a lot of people aren't they doing them? Aren't 982 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,839 Speaker 1: they doing them? Well, there's there's good now everybody else 983 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: is doing it. Well, it's because they have to, not 984 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: because they want to. It's because they have to, right, Um. 985 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 1: So you know, from that standpoint, Um, So, I think 986 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,040 Speaker 1: I think they'll be okay. Um. I think that at 987 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: least they get the benefit of that big TV money 988 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 1: coming in now, which makes a huge difference. Awesome Brian. Well, 989 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: really good stuff and perspective. As always, you can follow 990 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: Brian's work on Russell Street Report dot com and also 991 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: at Raven's Salary cap Um. Just the expert in the 992 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 1: field here for everything related to the salary cap and 993 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 1: the Ravens. So we really appreciate your time and thanks 994 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: for being with us. Sure, thanks appreciate it. Guys. Thanks Brian, 995 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: have a good one. Hey care two two? All right, 996 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: really good stuff from Brian. And also we want our 997 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 1: listeners to know that the sports landscape is ever changing. 998 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: This week is no different and Draft Kings is leader 999 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: in daily fantasy sports and it still has daily fantasy 1000 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: contest running for those who are looking to have skin 1001 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,800 Speaker 1: in the game. Every player has a salary. That's a 1002 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: keyword today, salary. There you go, Brian's on it. How 1003 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,399 Speaker 1: it would really be good at draft ging. He would 1004 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: be very good at Draft Kings. Player has a salary 1005 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: associate with drafting him. You assemble a lineup of players 1006 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: and then you try to stay under the cap, just 1007 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 1: like the Ravens are gonna try to do this offseason. 1008 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: And you sit back when you watch your points pile up. 1009 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: Now you know how to play down to the Draft 1010 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,959 Speaker 1: Kings app today. Sign up using the code flock. New 1011 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,240 Speaker 1: users will get a free entry with your first deposit. 1012 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: The code is flock at draft Kings. So you know, 1013 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, like you said, we said this, you know 1014 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: a dozen times at least, it all comes down to 1015 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: Lamar and that's obviously the biggest domino to fall, and 1016 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: everything else is gonna, you know, everything else is going 1017 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,799 Speaker 1: to be impacted by what happens on that front. Absolutely, 1018 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, it is interesting though to think, 1019 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, I guess if you get Lamar done on 1020 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: the long term deal, like I thought, it was this 1021 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: interesting getting his perspective of Okay, now what does that 1022 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: allow you to do? And it certainly opens up a 1023 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,439 Speaker 1: whole lot more, you know, but it's not like there's 1024 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: a blank check either, you know. And especially if you 1025 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: want to keep you know, a Marcus Peters or a 1026 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: Clark or you know, all these guys, like if you 1027 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: want to bring back markets, um, you know, it gets 1028 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,799 Speaker 1: it gets hard to then go out and be like 1029 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: super aggressive in the wide receiver market unless you're really 1030 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: making it a very small year one cat hit, you 1031 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: know that then climbs quickly. Yeah, um, so but to 1032 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: his point, like you can structure a Lamar deal, say, 1033 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: make the cap hit twenty five this year, you know, 1034 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: and then do restructures because if they're gonna fit the 1035 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: forty five under the cap exactly, so if you can 1036 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: fit the forty five under the cap, the whole lot easier, 1037 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: you can fit the twenty five and then still make 1038 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,360 Speaker 1: those same moves that would take place. So like you 1039 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: don't want to make those, you don't want to make 1040 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 1: those are those are an emergency situation, right basically right, 1041 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: But if you can determine if if you have an 1042 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,439 Speaker 1: opportunity to add a big time receiver, whether that would 1043 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 1: fall into that emergency category exactly exactly where if you 1044 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: break the glass, yeah exactly, like this guy's get enough, 1045 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: we'll ahead and break that glass exactly. So um, really 1046 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: good stuff, And Brian, I think some some interesting insight. Um. 1047 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: I thought another thing you know that was notable that 1048 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: he said is in his opinion, uh, you know, the 1049 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,240 Speaker 1: rubber doesn't really meet the road till next year. Now, yeah, 1050 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 1: that makes you know, if if Lamar does play under 1051 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: the assuming that a long term deals none, if he 1052 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,239 Speaker 1: plays on the cap this year, you know, as the outline, like, 1053 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 1: you have to make a lot of hard decisions for 1054 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, you have to. Really, it's tough, but 1055 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 1: you can make it work. But then then, really, the 1056 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,919 Speaker 1: next offseason, it's a much trickier situation. So we could 1057 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,120 Speaker 1: be having this conversation for the next no. No, no. 1058 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,719 Speaker 1: As we've said many times, we both want to see 1059 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 1: Lamar here for a long time. Yeah, that's what we're 1060 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: all crossing our fingers for and hoping for. But you know, 1061 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: it's a business and you just don't know how it's 1062 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: gonna play out. Yeah, don't totally. So as always, you 1063 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: can email us as Lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 1064 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,839 Speaker 1: You know I mentioned in a recent episode we're gonna 1065 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: give away the helmet. We're gonna do that soon, but 1066 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: we need to do that on video, all right, Okay, yeah, 1067 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 1: we need to do that because we want there to 1068 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: be video evidence of doing this sostener, so all into 1069 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: the salary cap. It's all kosher exactly. Um. So, also 1070 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,239 Speaker 1: make sure that you rate and review the podcast and 1071 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,360 Speaker 1: subscribe as well if you're not subscribed already. We always 1072 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 1: love those five star ratings, So thank you so much 1073 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: for listening. We'll talk with against