WEBVTT - Myanmar: Printing the Revolution, Part Four

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Robert Evans, and this is part four of me

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<v Speaker 1>and mar printing the revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>And then once we got there, we couldn't rest, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>rain sun whatever. Women as well, we were all like

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<v Speaker 2>try it when they came when we were leaving, they

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<v Speaker 2>were all like very fair skinned, beautiful. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>went in and then everyone got tanned. In the jungle.

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<v Speaker 2>We're training all the time, you know, people in training camp.

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<v Speaker 3>We were driven apart.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason that we were all doing this is

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<v Speaker 2>because of minimal nice Coup as students and how much

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<v Speaker 2>he has terrorized the public and the people. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why we were We have this morale and the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to get through the training and be able to wield weapons.

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<v Speaker 4>Zora and his friends went into the jungles students, programmers

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<v Speaker 4>and kids. Now they're fighters. They would tech savvy young

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<v Speaker 4>peop what he says. They grew up online and that

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<v Speaker 4>generational divide which the Internet brought here came much later

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<v Speaker 4>in Memah. It wasn't until twenty eleven that people really

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<v Speaker 4>gained actisty internet and with it the new ideas and

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<v Speaker 4>identities that they brought. Soul's generation are among the first

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<v Speaker 4>to embrace global connectivity and now after having it taken away,

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<v Speaker 4>they're refusing to give it up.

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<v Speaker 2>The start of the coup in February, the military, well,

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<v Speaker 2>gen Z was organizing online social media and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were kind of I think this is from

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<v Speaker 2>my experience, but from kind of organizing around like gen

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<v Speaker 2>Z is going to be different than the Eightya generation

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<v Speaker 2>because we have the Internet, and also we know more

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<v Speaker 2>about the world and can come communicate to the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world. I think one thing that was big

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<v Speaker 2>was that in two thousand and eight, it just took

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<v Speaker 2>one video leaking out of the country for there to

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<v Speaker 2>be big international repercussions.

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<v Speaker 4>It's worth noting that when people in Burma talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the Internet, they mean Facebook. Phones come with the Facebook

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<v Speaker 4>app installed and it's sometimes exempt from data charges. For

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<v Speaker 4>many people in Burma, using the internet means using Facebook.

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<v Speaker 4>Zora and his friends are different from their parents in

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<v Speaker 4>many ways, not at least in their perceptions of authority.

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<v Speaker 4>This has led to a situation where the PDF people's

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<v Speaker 4>defense force units are much less hierarchical than units of

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<v Speaker 4>the Tamador.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we make decisions in our group, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>master and student, there's no teacher and student. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know the way that it works, there are people who

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<v Speaker 2>are good, they're older people who are more trained, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there are new recruits, new people who just came in.

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<v Speaker 2>So of course the people who are there for longer

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<v Speaker 2>and know more about the situation have more voice. And

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<v Speaker 2>when we discuss so especially people who were there when

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<v Speaker 2>we founded the groups. There are only really eight people

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<v Speaker 2>from when we group, so those eight people kind of

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<v Speaker 2>discussed on the bigger strategy. You know, we don't really

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<v Speaker 2>vote there. He says he wants to do it. He

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<v Speaker 2>thinks it's good. We are there's the seven of us

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<v Speaker 2>we think is good, or we support him, or someone

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<v Speaker 2>says we don't really like that idea, then we don't

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 4>They try to achieve more gender quality as well. Those

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<v Speaker 4>are explained that in his unit, the women are not

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<v Speaker 4>always the frontline fighters.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the place there's no discrimination. You know, women can

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<v Speaker 2>women and men were training whoever could come. But like

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<v Speaker 2>on the battlefield, people, we don't use women that much

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<v Speaker 2>on the battlefield. That's one thing that we do know

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's not it's not really discrimination. But if

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<v Speaker 2>women are with us together, we have a confusion about

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<v Speaker 2>whether we need to protect them or we're just fighting

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<v Speaker 2>with them, or they're fighting in front of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>that there's one thing that is very different is that

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of mentality, we can't. We never take the

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<v Speaker 2>women out really far into very dangerous fights. So often

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<v Speaker 2>they're in the back as backup or to supplies or

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. But as you know, the military government,

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<v Speaker 2>the military terrorists are very very they're very unethical. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't follow the rules, so you know they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot whoever they see. So even if they're hanging back

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<v Speaker 2>and they're sending medical supplies, they can still get hit.

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<v Speaker 4>For Zora in particular, there's a lot at stake. After

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<v Speaker 4>almost an hour and a half of talking, I asked

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<v Speaker 4>about his parents. I'd heard of retribution attacks against the

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<v Speaker 4>families of fighters and wondered if he was worried about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom and dad are both they support me fighting against

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<v Speaker 2>the military. They're very happy. Dad really wants to do CDM,

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<v Speaker 2>but he can't run away because the military has taken

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<v Speaker 2>his mother and his sisters. He still has five sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all still in that military command their work, they're

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<v Speaker 2>in the military school schools, so it's very hard for

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<v Speaker 2>them to run away, right, So he really wants to

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<v Speaker 2>leave the military, but he can't. So while so that

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I am there trying to fight against

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<v Speaker 2>the military is very happy, but he tells me to

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<v Speaker 2>be careful about my own life. They're supportive and they

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<v Speaker 2>really want to come fight themselves, but they can't because

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<v Speaker 2>of my sisters and my mother, so and seeing that

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<v Speaker 2>I can do it, it's really wonderful for them. So

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<v Speaker 2>his father, his other brother and other people three of

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<v Speaker 2>them below him. They have all usually just lived together

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<v Speaker 2>with his grandfather and stuff in the military tompounds or

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<v Speaker 2>near the military. So he really wants to call all

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<v Speaker 2>the people that are still there, but they can't leave.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what civil ward does.

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<v Speaker 4>It traps us in a situation where we can't make

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<v Speaker 4>the right choice even when we know what it is,

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<v Speaker 4>and in many situations it's pretty hard to discern right

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<v Speaker 4>from wrong in the midst of so much violence. Zaul

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<v Speaker 4>has been able to fight, but his dad is stuck

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<v Speaker 4>fighting against people like his son in order to protect

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<v Speaker 4>his daughters. Thousands of families across the country, divided in

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<v Speaker 4>the same way by circumstance or ideology. The military is

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<v Speaker 4>something of a separate society. It has its own schools

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<v Speaker 4>and its own culture, but ethnic armed organizations have not

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<v Speaker 4>been close to urban populations either, and so whole new

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<v Speaker 4>identities being forged by Generation z while their families often

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<v Speaker 4>struggle to abandon all certainties.

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<v Speaker 1>As we record this, Zaw is still fighting, his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>is still healing. Every few weeks a video of him

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<v Speaker 1>and his friends pops up on Reddit or Facebook. They

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<v Speaker 1>have optics on their rifles now and are taking long

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<v Speaker 1>range shots at the Top Mada who rely on iron sights.

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<v Speaker 1>They shoot and reload like soldiers, and they laugh like kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The Top Madaw still controls the cities, but to move

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<v Speaker 1>between them they have to travel in convoys at breakneck speeds,

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<v Speaker 1>using ambushes, mines and knowledge of the terrain. EAOs and

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<v Speaker 1>the PDF are able to deny the military access to

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<v Speaker 1>large portions of the countryside. Without a serious change in

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<v Speaker 1>the conflict, it might stay like this for years. A

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<v Speaker 1>report published this month detailed the attacks in the Karini

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<v Speaker 1>State by the Top Madaw on churches, residential homes camps

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<v Speaker 1>for displaced people, which killed sixty one in the months

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<v Speaker 1>since Zau left the city on Christmas Eve in Upruso's township.

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<v Speaker 1>They killed at least forty civilians. Autopsy show some were

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<v Speaker 1>gagged and burned alive. In recent months, the TOTMADA has

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<v Speaker 1>increased its use of air strikes against targets that it

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<v Speaker 1>deems legitimate. Ming An Hlang, the junta's leader, flew to

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<v Speaker 1>Russia twice. In twenty twenty one, he was proclaimed an

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<v Speaker 1>honorary professor of the Military University of the Russian Armed Forces.

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<v Speaker 1>We are determined to continue our efforts to strengthen bilateral

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<v Speaker 1>ties based on the mutual understanding, respect and trust that

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<v Speaker 1>have been established between our two countries, Russian Defense Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Sergei Shoigu said at a meeting with the coup leader

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<v Speaker 1>on June twenty second. We pay special attention to this

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<v Speaker 1>meeting as we see Myanmar as a time tested strategic

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<v Speaker 1>partner and a reliable ally in Southeast Asia and the

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<v Speaker 1>Asia Pacific region. He went on. Min An Hlang was

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<v Speaker 1>equally lavish with his praise, saying that he saw Russia

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<v Speaker 1>as a friend forever. Myanmar relies heavily on Russi hind

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<v Speaker 1>Mi I thirty five helicopter gunships transport helicopters MiG twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine and SU thirty fighter jets and Yak one thirty

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<v Speaker 1>ground attack aircraft to carry out bombing raids and straight civilians.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these weapons systems have been seen more recently

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<v Speaker 1>in the fighting in Ukraine. One prominent Burmese Irish family,

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<v Speaker 1>the kiah Toongs, has helped the junta avoid an international

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<v Speaker 1>arms embargo using their global connections and a network of

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<v Speaker 1>shady shadow companies. They have purchased helicopters under the pretense

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<v Speaker 1>of using them for tourism and the oil and gas industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and handed them over to the top MADA. They've also

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<v Speaker 1>helped shuttle coastal radar to Myanmar, which the Top Medal

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<v Speaker 1>used to track Rohinga refugees and provide cover for several

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft purchases. To fund these armed purchases, the top Mada

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<v Speaker 1>has found willing markets for luxury goods abroad. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Justice for Me Andmar, since the coup in February twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, the United States has imported fifteen hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five metric tons of teak from Myanmar using intermediaries

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid sayingtions. In the twenty seventeen twenty eighteen financial year,

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<v Speaker 1>the last year for which data is available, the government

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<v Speaker 1>received one hundred million US dollars in revenue from taxes

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<v Speaker 1>and royalties applied to the timber trade. In twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>there were more shipments than twenty eighteen, offering the top

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<v Speaker 1>Madal the chance to make enough money to continue purchasing

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<v Speaker 1>weapons to use against their population. The conflict in Myanmar

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<v Speaker 1>remains complicated. It's easy to reduce the alphabet soup of

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<v Speaker 1>revel groups to EAOs and the PDF, but these groups

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<v Speaker 1>and their motivations are diverse. Pierre explained to us that

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<v Speaker 1>even within the Kouran there are deep divisions.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first, you have to know that historically the Kalian

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<v Speaker 5>rebellion that started in nineteen forty eight nineteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 5>so quite a long time ago, was led by Christian

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<v Speaker 5>by the Christian minority of the Italian people, because obviously

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<v Speaker 5>that was the most western ed Ukt people at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>And so this Elits kind of reproduced itself in the

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<v Speaker 5>new without being the can new is the current National

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<v Speaker 5>Union is democratic movement. But you know elits tend to

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<v Speaker 5>reproduce themselves, and so most of the leadership, let's say,

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<v Speaker 5>of the Karen National Union and the current National Liberation

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<v Speaker 5>Army was christian like, and so the Burmese Junta, the

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<v Speaker 5>Burmese military government decided to use this to create a

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<v Speaker 5>wedge between between the Karen Christians and the Karran Buddhists

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<v Speaker 5>and the center a monks to say agitate and tried

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<v Speaker 5>to cause this split on religious grounds no uh. And

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<v Speaker 5>they succeeded in parts and succeeded to separate a part

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<v Speaker 5>of Karent Buddhists that created the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army

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<v Speaker 5>d B, which then I like themselves of course to

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<v Speaker 5>the to the junta and to to attack the to

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<v Speaker 5>attack the Kinel and the Manorplow which of course they

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<v Speaker 5>knew all the all the roads there and the defenses

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<v Speaker 5>and where was the defense is situated, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 5>succeeded in destroying the capital of the Karen National Union

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<v Speaker 5>in Manorplo in ninety five. So that was the situation

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<v Speaker 5>pretty much when I arrived.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 5>Like there was not so much territory anymore held by

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<v Speaker 5>the Karen. And more importantly is they lost a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of income because a lot of their income come from

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<v Speaker 5>tax at the border that they can control you know, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that was the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Not every EAO has embraced the National Unity Government directly,

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<v Speaker 1>after all, many of its members were enthusiastically running cover

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<v Speaker 1>for the Rohinga genocide a few years ago. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>the EAOs remain technically under a ceasefire with the Top

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<v Speaker 1>Medal and the Top MADA knows that if it pushes

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<v Speaker 1>too far into EEO territory, it risks provoking a full

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<v Speaker 1>blown response. The eos, meanwhile, have been aiding and training

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<v Speaker 1>the PDF, and still maintaining enough deniability that the Top

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<v Speaker 1>Meda has not been forced into a confrontation. EAO PDF

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<v Speaker 1>alliances look different in different regions and often realities on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, their little relationship to the back door diplomacy

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<v Speaker 1>and official stances embraced by leadership and public The.

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<v Speaker 4>War continues to have a huge toll on civilians. According

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<v Speaker 4>to United Nations, in total, some four hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 4>thousand people have been newly displaced since the coup happened

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<v Speaker 4>in February twenty twenty one, adding to an existing three

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and seventy thousand who had fled their homes from

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<v Speaker 4>earlier waves of violence, and over a million people who

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<v Speaker 4>had fled the Rahingia genocide. More than half the population

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<v Speaker 4>of Kareni State has fled. Humanitarian access is hard. Much

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<v Speaker 4>of the relief effort for displaced people occurs within local communities.

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<v Speaker 4>Thousands of refugees a camp along the border with Thailand,

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<v Speaker 4>which is defined by rivers. Initially, many people fled into Thailand,

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<v Speaker 4>but terrible conditions in refugee camps led some of them

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<v Speaker 4>to return to Mi and Mah. Now they weighed across

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<v Speaker 4>the river for international aid donations of food and water,

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<v Speaker 4>but they can't bring themselves to stay in the crowded

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<v Speaker 4>camps overnight, so they waded back to sleep on the

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<v Speaker 4>Burmese side of the bank. The UNHCR, the High Commission

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<v Speaker 4>on Refugees, has been unable to access camps in Thailand

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<v Speaker 4>or Me and Mah to check on the conditions, but

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<v Speaker 4>it has urged a Thai government, which has been credibly

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<v Speaker 4>accused of forcing people back across the border, to move

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<v Speaker 4>people to better conditions further into Thailand instead of keeping

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<v Speaker 4>them in camps near the border. And here we find

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<v Speaker 4>the unfortunate, unavoidable reality of the civil war in Me

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<v Speaker 4>and Mah. For all the uniqueness of aspects of the conflict,

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<v Speaker 4>the innovative ways gen Z militias have interfaced with older

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<v Speaker 4>ethnic military forces, the three D printed arms, etc. At

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, this is another brutal, horrific

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<v Speaker 4>conflict between large numbers of people who want to be

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<v Speaker 4>free and a small number of people who want to

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<v Speaker 4>control them. From Miah Mah to Armenia, Ukraine, to Syria,

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<v Speaker 4>Ethiopia to Iraq and beyond. The novelties of twenty first

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<v Speaker 4>century conflict don't change the fact that, at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the day, each war brings with it what might

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<v Speaker 4>be the truest symbol of our current age, parents saying

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<v Speaker 4>goodbye to their kids. Camp's filled with desperate people fleeing violence,

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<v Speaker 4>governments all over the world willing to send nothing more

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<v Speaker 4>than kind words to stern warnings.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a PostScript episode four.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not one that we'd been intending to record, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's not news that we'd ever hoped to have to share, But.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we are.

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, we found out that about ten days after we

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<v Speaker 4>last spoke, and a couple of weeks before we released

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<v Speaker 4>our podcast, Zor died, and he died in battle fighting

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<v Speaker 4>with the Tutmador he's really was, I suppose, an amazingly

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<v Speaker 4>brave and courageous young man, and I think that his

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<v Speaker 4>loss is one that reflects the realities of what war is,

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<v Speaker 4>which is not great and glorious and exciting. It's young

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<v Speaker 4>men and sometimes young women, young non binary folks I

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<v Speaker 4>imagine too, dying when they had no quarrel with anyone,

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<v Speaker 4>when they just wanted to live their lives. Two years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>a year and a half ago, even he was just

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<v Speaker 4>loving the people he loved, having fun, being a kid,

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<v Speaker 4>riding his motorcycle, speaking to his girlfriend on his phone,

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<v Speaker 4>living a happy life. And then someone who had power

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<v Speaker 4>decided that they wanted to have more power, and they

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<v Speaker 4>decided that it didn't matter how many kids had to

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<v Speaker 4>die so they could have what they want. And he

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<v Speaker 4>decided to say no to that, And that's brave, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think all of us would agree that what he

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<v Speaker 4>did was right and morally courageous, and that we would

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<v Speaker 4>hope to be brave enough to do the same of

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<v Speaker 4>this same thing happened to us.

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<v Speaker 3>This once hit me quite hard.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I know this is my job, and this happens,

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<v Speaker 4>that it's happened before, and it will happen again. But

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<v Speaker 4>he was such a happy, polite, kind young man. He

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<v Speaker 4>never didn't pick up the phone, He never got tired

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<v Speaker 4>of explaining stuff that we didn't understand, and he always

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<v Speaker 4>answered our questions. It was nothing that was off the table.

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<v Speaker 4>There was nothing that he wouldn't talk about with us.

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<v Speaker 4>He was completely open, And yeah, we will miss him greatly.

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<v Speaker 4>He died fighting the thing that we all have to

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<v Speaker 4>fight right, fascism, dictatorship, totalitarianism, militarization, and yeah, we will

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<v Speaker 4>grieve his loss. Both Robert and I. We've just spoken

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<v Speaker 4>on the phone, and we found out because the contact

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<v Speaker 4>of mine on the ground sent a Reddit message with

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<v Speaker 4>a link to a Facebook post and it's very clearly

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<v Speaker 4>zorin no doubt about that. It names him, and unfortunately

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<v Speaker 4>it also shows him dead. So we're not in any

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<v Speaker 4>doubt that it was him who died, and we're not

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<v Speaker 4>in any doubt that we will gravely miss him either.

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<v Speaker 4>We both hoped to go over and record with him,

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<v Speaker 4>to speak with him, to meet him. I've spoken to

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<v Speaker 4>him several times on video, sometimes just to chat, not

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<v Speaker 4>even to record anything, just just a chat just to

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<v Speaker 4>catch up and look at what each of us was

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<v Speaker 4>doing that day. So it's a hard loss for me

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<v Speaker 4>and for Robert till as I said, we've just spoken.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that's the news that we hadn't hoped to

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<v Speaker 4>end on. Obviously, though, this is the reality of war.

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<v Speaker 4>As the world is looking at the conflict in Ukraine now,

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<v Speaker 4>i'd urge you to look at the conflict in Myanmar

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<v Speaker 4>to another Russian bomb killed another nice kid who never

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<v Speaker 4>had any quarrel with anyone, who just wanted to live

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<v Speaker 4>his life and didn't want to live the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>his life with a boot on his neck, so he

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<v Speaker 4>decided to stand up against it. As you can probably

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<v Speaker 4>hear in my voice, I'm quite upset by his loss

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<v Speaker 4>and will be probably for a few days. So I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sorry to have to end this podcast on such a

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<v Speaker 4>sad note.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry for.

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<v Speaker 4>His family who are now caught between the loss of

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<v Speaker 4>their son and trying to protect their daughters. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 4>for his girlfriend who's dealing with shrapnel in her own

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<v Speaker 4>leg and now the loss of the person she loved.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm sorry for his comrades. And they've said they'll

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<v Speaker 4>go on fighting, and I hope they do. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think there's any point really pretending to be objective

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<v Speaker 4>at this stage in the games. And I hope they win,

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<v Speaker 4>but I mostly just hope that like one day, young

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<v Speaker 4>men and women and everyone else just gets to live

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<v Speaker 4>their lives without having to kill and die, because ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>no one should have to and no parents should have

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<v Speaker 4>to bury their kids. So yeah, as much as we're

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<v Speaker 4>all focusing on Ukraine and what's happening there is terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>Please don't forget Zor's comrades, Please don't forget his legacy,

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<v Speaker 4>and please don't forget him. We won't and we obviously

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<v Speaker 4>want to dedicate this podcast to him and what he

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<v Speaker 4>stood for.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, thanks. It could Happen here as a production

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