1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Sunday Hang is brought to you by Chalk Natural Supplements 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: for guys, gals and nothing in between. Fuel your day 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: at Chalk dot Com. Sunday Hang with Clay and Bucks. 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: This is a bit of a sad aspect. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 3: We mentioned that James Vanderbeek, forty eight years old, star 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: of Dawson's Creek and Varsity Blues, died and somebody shared 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 3: with me it was you, and then I shared it 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: and so many people were reacting to it. Varsity Blues 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 3: was a all time team and football movie, and I 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: bet a lot of you saw it and had a 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: large number of at that time people in their late 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: teens or early twenties that were stars in that era. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: It's for people who grew up in the nineties. Was 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: a big movie. I don't think our parents saw it, but. 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that three of the icons of that movie 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: are all now dead. What Paul want Talker, that's the 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: guy from Fast and the Furious, but he was in 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: this movie. 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: He was the star of the Fast and the Furious 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: movies who died in a high speed car accident, and then. 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: The Billy Bob character. 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: All three of them have passed and James Vanderbeek had 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: six young kids, forty eight years old, and this was 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: his final message. And this has gone viral, and I 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: don't know how many people have heard this, but James Vanderbeek, 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, Buck, was on Team Sanity. 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 2: It would not. 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 3: Stun me if he sometimes listened to this show. And again, 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: he had six kids. And I think it was colon cancer, 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: which has become very deadly. It seems like for a 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: lot of younger men that you wouldn't anticipate. Chadwick Boseman, 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 3: who played the Black Panther among other roles, also I believe, 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: died of colon cancer. But here was James Vanderbeek's final message. 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: I thought maybe it would resonate with some of you 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: like it resonated with me when I heard this yesterday, 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: Cut twenty one. 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 4: When I was younger, I used to define myself as 38 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 4: an actor, right, which was never really all that fulfilling. 39 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: And then it became a husband and that was much better. 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 4: And then I became a father and that was the ultimate. 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 4: I could define myself then as a loving, capable, strong, 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: supportive husband, father, provider, steward of the land that were 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: so lucky to live on. And for a long time 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: that felt like a really good definition to the question 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 4: who am I? 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: What am I? 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 4: And then this year I had to look my own 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 4: mortality in the eye. I had to come nose to 49 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: nose with death, and all of those definitions that I 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: cared so deeply about were stripped for me. I was 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: away for treatment, so I could no longer be a 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: husband that was helpful to my wife. I could no 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 4: longer be a father who could pick up his kids 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 4: and put them to bed and be there for them. 55 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: I could not be a provider because I wasn't working. 56 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 4: I couldn't even be a steward of the land because 57 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 4: at times I was too weak to prune all the 58 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 4: trees during the window that you're supposed to prune them. 59 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: And so I was faced with the question, if I 60 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: am just a too skinny, weak guy alone in an 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 4: apartment with cancer, what am I? And I meditated and 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: the answer came through, I am worthy of God's love 63 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: simply because I exist. And if I'm worthy of God's love, 64 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: shouldn't I also be worthy of my own? And the 65 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: same is true for you. 66 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: I just thought that was really very well said. For 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: a forty eight year old, and again he has a 68 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: left behind six very young children. 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: There. They're the lovely family, but. 70 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: Just a I think for a lot of people out there, 71 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: because he's relatively young, you don't expect people in their 72 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: forties to pass with young families that they're taking care of. 73 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people have been sharing 74 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: that because it did feel like a very profound revelation 75 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: from him. And I think a lot of people find purpose, 76 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: particularly men. I think this is one of the biggest 77 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: challenges that exists in our society today. Buck is when 78 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: you tell men that they shouldn't be providers and that 79 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: they shouldn't be fathers and they don't have people that 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: rely on them, most men are not at their best. 81 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: I think that's fair to say. When men act entirely 82 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: in their own self interest and they do not have 83 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: people to provide for, protect and basically be the strong 84 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: backbone of a household, I think most men are at 85 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: their worst. And I thought that evolution in James Vanderbeek's 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: perspective on a lot of people say, oh, I'd love 87 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: to be in a movie. I've done a couple of 88 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: things in film. Honestly, seems really boring to me, Buck, 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: you do the same scene over and over again like this. 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: You're going back for your your IMDD here. 91 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: Clay, Well, I mean, I just I think a lot 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: of people think, oh, being an actor would be cool. 93 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: And if you've ever been in one of those trailers, 94 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: and you've ever done a scene in a movie, or 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: you've ever filmed anything. I like live television. I like 96 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 3: live radio because I imagine I probably would like live 97 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: theater because there is no safety net. But the idea 98 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: of doing the same scene forty different times from every angle, 99 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 3: it's miserable, Like I did not enjoy it at all. 100 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people, you know, he 101 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: had a great deal of success there, but I think 102 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: what he's recognizing is something much more profound than personal success. 103 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: Yes, I just Clay drawing upon his time as a 104 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: thespian straight in on this one is very Clay, And 105 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate that his speech here or his message here, 106 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: which I even shared with my own with my family. 107 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: I just thought it was really worth hearing, worth watching 108 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: and listening to. I'm very glad you played it all 109 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: in the air reminds me of a of a memoir 110 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: that was written by Paul Kallaneathy, which you can get 111 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: it short. 112 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: It's called When Breath Becomes. 113 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: Air and it's about this absolute top neurosurgeon who finds 114 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: out right when he's about to sort of hit his 115 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: peak of saving lives and you know, operating on too, 116 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, tumors that are the hardest to operate on, 117 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff that he has terminal cancer. 118 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: And then the book is really a meditation on. 119 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: Being being a dad, being a. 120 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: You know, a man everything, you know, father, And it's 121 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: just really beautifully written. And I think that if you're 122 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: ever looking for something that's I mean, you will read 123 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: it in a weekend. 124 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 2: For sure. 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: Get Manufacturing Delusion first, which comes out on Tuesday. But 126 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: I can't be selling other. 127 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: People's books right now. 128 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: But no, it's a really if you haven't read When 129 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: Breath Becomes Air, it's a really beautiful memoir and it 130 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: goes into a lot of these things. But by the 131 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: way he was, he was a man of faith, Paul 132 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: Kalan Heath. So I think a lot of you would, 133 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: you know, you love being a dad, loved being a husband. 134 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: But he's very honest. He's also wildly brilliant. That comes 135 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: across from you know, he was just he was like 136 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: the Clay He was like the Stanford neurosurgeon guy, you 137 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: know that was the up and coming in California at 138 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: his at the hospital and everything else. You know, he's like, 139 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: he's the guy that you would make the doctor like 140 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: soap opera or you know Gray's anatomy around is like 141 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: the super doctor. 142 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: He was that guy. 143 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Uh And so I think it's it's really powerful to 144 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: sort of go through his thoughts. He knew he had 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: a year to live and he wrote this book and 146 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: that's that's what he did for the year. 147 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: So I would I would recommend that to. 148 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 5: You, Tim. 149 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: You're on. 150 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 5: Hey you guys, Hey Tim from Minneapolis, say, can you 151 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 5: guys hear me? Okay, yes, yeah, So I was driving 152 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 5: down the road. I've never I listened to you guys periodically. 153 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 5: But the actor you had on who made a comment about, 154 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 5: you know, he got diagnosed with cancer and obviously passed away, 155 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 5: But that hit home with me, and I just got 156 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 5: to say that what it really sums up or comes 157 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 5: down to, is the fact that if you don't have 158 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 5: your health, none of it matters. So he came to 159 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 5: this revelation. I've been through it. I lost a wife 160 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 5: to cancer. I raised two kits on my own, so 161 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 5: I just get choked up hearing about stuff like that. 162 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 5: So it really hit home with me when I heard that. 163 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was powerful. It was powerful. We're glad you're here. 164 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: How are the kids. 165 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 5: The kids are good. They're growing now. So they lost 166 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 5: their mom about ten eleven years ago, so last one 167 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 5: is just graduating from college, so that's good. But yeah, 168 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 5: that just like hit home. So, like I say, I 169 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 5: tell people this all the time, if you don't have health, 170 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 5: you don't have you don't have anything, nothing else matters. 171 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: Then thank you. 172 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: There's a saying game cancer and congrats to getting those 173 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: kids through college. 174 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 175 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, there's a saying that the healthy 176 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: person has a thousand wants, the sick person has one, 177 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: and I think it is very true. 178 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: It's a very tough thing to deal with when you have. 179 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: Really serious illness, and you know, our thoughts and prayers 180 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: about to anybody out there right now who's dealing with 181 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: an illness of any kind. 182 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: Sundays with Clay and Bust, Jesse Kelly joins us. 183 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: He is the host of the Jesse Kelly show syndicated 184 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: by Premiere Networks in the evenings. He has a new 185 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: book out, Jesse's Little Red Book, which we'll be talking 186 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: about here in a second. And he is America's tallest 187 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: radio host according to the Guinness Book of World Records. 188 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: So Jesse, welcome. 189 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 6: Well, I'm just happy I can finally bring some talent 190 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 6: to the airwaves here. Buck, and I do have to 191 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 6: ask before we get going, what did you do to 192 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 6: your hair? 193 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: Buck? 194 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: I mustache avoided all all attacks. I you know I 195 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: pointed this out. Did you get a new take on this? 196 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: Because Buck has been getting the same haircut as like 197 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: twenty year olds in Miami. 198 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, so this is Jesse. 199 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: I go to a barber shop with some wonderful Cuban 200 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: Americans who speak very limited English, and you are seeing 201 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: the end product of that here. But I will have 202 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: you know that Clay's teenage sons in shock referred to 203 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: this haircut as cool. 204 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 6: Yes, but have you seen Clay's mustache? I mean, with 205 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 6: all due respect, are we going with Clay's brud's opinion here? 206 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: You know those how about you opening with no hair 207 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: coming after Buck? For a haircut like that is just 208 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: an un precedented attack from you. That's like Iran coming 209 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,359 Speaker 3: into the negotiations with Trump, and you know, Jesse obliterate 210 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: Washington DC. 211 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: Clay wanted to read an email that you posted from 212 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: one of your fans on air on this show, and 213 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: I was like, no, Jesse. I was like, no, Jesse's 214 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: our friend. That's not you know what, Clay, go ahead, 215 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm not standing all the way anymore. 216 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: Let's start off. Because you want to throw stones. 217 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: Make sure I grabbed it here because I was laughing 218 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: during the commercial break. This is an email Jesse is 219 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: on many of these same stations in the evening. The 220 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: subject is gay boy, which, by the way, I'm sure 221 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: got flagged because you and Mayor Pete are emailing so 222 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: frequently with each other. 223 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: Jesse. 224 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what you call each other, right, Jesse? 225 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: You say you had an ice water at the Super 226 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: Bowl party? How many fruit wedges did you throw in 227 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: that water? Was any cucumber involved? People are concerned your 228 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: gayness is bleeding over into the NFL. Just go watch 229 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: the halftime show. Why are you so gay? It's okay 230 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: to use my name Aaron, So you know there's a 231 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: lot of Super Bowl talk. Why Aaron wants to know, 232 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: why are you so gay? Would you like to apologize 233 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: to America for drinking an ice water at the super 234 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: Bowl party? 235 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 6: No, I would not like to apologize, and let me explain. 236 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 6: It was not my party and I didn't care about 237 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 6: the super Bowl. I haven't watched the NFL in years 238 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 6: because of all the Black Lives Matter stuff. I went 239 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 6: from being an NFL super fan, so I never watched it. 240 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 6: I went to a neighborhood party because my neighbor who 241 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 6: barbecues and he smokes all these delicious meats. He had 242 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 6: smoked chicken wings. Anyway, the fellas and ladies were getting together. 243 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 6: Of course, the lady stayed in side there too, annoying, 244 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 6: and the guys went out back and we ate meats. 245 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 6: I did not go for the game. I didn't care 246 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 6: about the game. I left at halftime after I made 247 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 6: everybody turn off the Bad Bunny a halftime show and 248 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 6: turn on the other one. Then I made it halfway 249 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 6: do that, and I left it halftime. I was there 250 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 6: to hang with the felons for a little bit and 251 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 6: have some meats. The super Bowl is on a Sunday. 252 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 6: I am forty four, not twenty four years old anymore. 253 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 6: I try to limit my alcoholic beverages period, let alone 254 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 6: on a Sunday night when I have to work the 255 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 6: next day. So I yes, I had ice water, and 256 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 6: I had to tell everyone there I had ice water, 257 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 6: and I had to catch crap from them, and then 258 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 6: I had to catch crap from my listeners. And now 259 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 6: I'm getting it from you guys. What's wrong with icewater? 260 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 6: I like ice water. 261 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: Well, we heard rumors that there were cucumber wedges in 262 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: the ice water too. Now, I just remember you coming 263 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: after me for Brussels sprouts, and I think if you 264 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: were trying to assess masculinity Brussels sprouts for the table 265 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: versus cucumber wedged ice water at a Super Bowl party. 266 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: I just think that I'm the more masculine choice here. 267 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 6: Well, if I have to be honest, I didn't advertise 268 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 6: it was ice water because I had one of those big, big, 269 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 6: I forget what brand. It was one of the big 270 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 6: insulated mugs with the lid on it. So if you 271 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 6: looked and I walked in with it, you probably like. 272 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 3: Wow, you're just carrying around your own water. Now, this 273 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: is what chicks do now in your Stanley Cup. 274 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 6: Though no, I like the water to stay cold. I 275 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 6: have an ice machine. I don't like to rub my 276 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 6: wealth in anyone's face, but I have an ice machine. 277 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 6: It makes endless amounts of ice, and so I spend 278 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 6: my days drinking icy cold water as if I'm on 279 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 6: an Arctic expedition. 280 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Tell us about I'm gonna save you here, Jesse, I'm 281 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: gonna pull you out of the Arctic icy waters here 282 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: for a second, like a polar bear grabbing a seal. 283 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: Tell me the Little Red Book. This is available at 284 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly dot com right now. 285 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: What is this? Okay? 286 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 6: First of all, it's free. I need to stress this. 287 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 6: It's free. It's not a gimmick or a scam. I 288 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 6: wrote everyone. I wrote the tai Communist Manifesto. What was 289 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 6: that a couple of years ago. I'm not an author. 290 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 6: I don't want ever want to write another book again. 291 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 6: And I didn't want to write another book, but I 292 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 6: had some extra thoughts, like I wanted to put an 293 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 6: extra chapter in it basically, but then as I was 294 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 6: sitting down and I was hashing it out it it 295 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 6: turned it to I think it's ninety three pages, which 296 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 6: is more than an extra chapter, and I thought, well, 297 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 6: how do I even get this to people? I don't 298 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 6: want to put it in hardback. Why don't I just 299 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 6: email it to everybody? So we came up with the idea, 300 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 6: let's just write it. It's a little booklet on you know, 301 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 6: my thoughts on the Democrats, Republicans culture. I even have 302 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 6: food thoughts in there. Whatever. Just a little booklet that's 303 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 6: obviously a riff on Mao's Little Red Book, which he 304 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 6: used to slaughter all kinds of people in China. No 305 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 6: one will be slaughtered after my Little Red Book. It's 306 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 6: just little food for thought items about where we're at 307 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 6: as a country. And it's free. We just put in 308 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 6: your email address at Jesse Kelly dot com and we 309 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 6: email it to you. That's what it is. 310 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: That's a pretty cool idea. 311 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: So I would encourage people to potentially check this out 312 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: if you're into gay authors, which you know, it's an important, 313 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: important moment to honor you. I know it's Black History Month, 314 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: but you know Gay Author Month is coming up soon, 315 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: I'm sure, and it's an esteemed accomplishment. 316 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. So this is. 317 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: All like prelude to you can choose to join me 318 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: in right now people are coming after me like crazy, 319 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: or you could say, you know what, Clay, that's you 320 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: on an island, and it's an interesting island because I 321 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: watched yesterday Pam Bondi testify on Capitol Hill and she 322 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: was interrupted by so called And I say use the 323 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: phrase so called because these women are saying, hey, we 324 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: were abused by people other than Jeffrey Epstein. And they 325 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: continue to have all these press conferences, and they keep 326 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: showing up, and they were in the press conference and 327 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: they're in the back of the I mean, at the 328 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: at the jew at the hearing, they're in the back 329 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: of it. 330 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: They're chanting, they're drawing it ten to themselves. Where what 331 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: am I missing here? 332 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: If you are a victim, if somebody assaulted you, and 333 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: yet that person is still alive and maybe they're still 334 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: out there assaulting other people, don't you have an actual 335 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: obligation if you are doing all these press conferences to 336 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 3: actually make the public allegation, file lawsuits, get investigations to occur. 337 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: What am I missing here? 338 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: At some point when you're showing up for all these 339 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: press conferences saying I'm a victim I'm a survivor. Epstein 340 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: is dead, Jelaane Maxwell's in prison. They're saying there's other 341 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: people that abuse them, don't they have an obligation morally 342 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: to actually tell us who these people are. 343 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I'm fired up about it. 344 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 6: I don't disagree, but I think this Epstein stuff, it's 345 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 6: very similar to what the Me Too movement was like 346 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 6: that started out and it was a really good thing 347 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 6: because women who had been abused by men felt comfortable 348 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 6: coming forward and finally voicing it. And then it took 349 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 6: like five minutes for it to turn really scummy and scammy, 350 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 6: and very clearly it was a money grab and he 351 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 6: took me out on a bad date and he ordered 352 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 6: Brussels sprouts, and now I'm mad at them that kind 353 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 6: of a thing, And so I think the exact same 354 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 6: thing is taking place with Epstein, who was clearly a 355 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 6: creep and a monster, was surrounded by creeps and monsters, 356 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 6: did all kinds of creepy, monstrous things, and I hope 357 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 6: every one of them gets thrown into prison. However, as 358 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 6: soon as people start getting paid on this stuff, start 359 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 6: getting famous on this stuff, that is inevitably going to 360 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 6: invite scammers in, scummy people who who love to give 361 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 6: press conferences every other day and have their name in 362 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 6: sixty minutes. But at some point, if you're gonna come 363 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 6: out publicly and say I was abused, you have to 364 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 6: deliver the goods. I don't necessarily think you're crazy. 365 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 5: Now. 366 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 6: If you want to stay quiet, I get that. I 367 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 6: know a bunch of women who have sadly gone through 368 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 6: this kind of thing and they don't want to talk 369 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 6: about it. They don't feel comfortable talking about it. And 370 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 6: that's not my place to tell anyone to talk about it. 371 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 6: But if you're on your twentieth press conference talking about 372 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 6: the powerful men who've abused you, and it's the twentieth 373 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 6: time you haven't named a single name, I'm sorry. I 374 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 6: need to hear some names now. I want to hear 375 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 6: some names. I want to know which of the powerful 376 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 6: people in our society are freaking monstrous predators praying on women. 377 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 6: You've teased me at this point in time. 378 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: Now you got to deliver much more. 379 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 3: If they truly are out there and they did it 380 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: to you, they're likely doing it to other people. So 381 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: to me, the moral obligation. People say, oh, there's an NBA. 382 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: They got paid one hundred million dollars. They can't talk. 383 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: This is BS likeein the Epstein estate is not suing you. 384 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: I've been through some of these cases before, with representing 385 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: women and representing people in situations like these. You I 386 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: just I'm fired up about it. Okay, where are we, Jesse? 387 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: Year two? 388 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: As we are now? You know you got a primary. 389 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: You live in Texas, you got a primary in what 390 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: two and a half weeks? Whatever it's going to be. 391 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: What do you expect twenty six? 392 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 6: I expect that we will lose the House of Representatives 393 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 6: and keep the Senate. I think that's a reasonable expectation. 394 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 6: How bad that loss remains to be seen. If we 395 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 6: fight tooth and nail, we might lose it by a little. 396 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 6: If this economy does not come back for most people, 397 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 6: then we're probably going to lose it by a lot. 398 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 6: And Trump's going to be impeached every other day in 399 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 6: the House, and it's going to be a miserable last 400 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 6: two years of his presidency. I think it's all going 401 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 6: to depend on the economy. Those US political people, everyone 402 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 6: listening right now. We know all the ins and outs, 403 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 6: we know all the issues, but The Normanies who decide 404 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 6: elections don't vote on that. They vote on can they 405 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 6: afford chicken? Can they afford a plane ticket to go 406 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 6: see their mother? Is the economy back for them? Selling 407 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 6: them on another big trade deal does not do anything 408 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 6: for the normies out there. They have to feel it 409 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 6: in their pocketbook. Are they feeling it I don't know. 410 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 6: They better be feeling it by election time? 411 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: But we're in trouble, Jesse. Putting you back on the 412 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: hot seat here for a second, what would you say 413 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: to a full grown man with a mustache who lives 414 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: in the Nashville area who makes the claim that Taylor 415 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: Swift is on her way to being the twenty first 416 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: century version of the beatles. 417 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: Man? 418 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 6: That is just so sad. Differently, if I had a 419 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 6: moment you're looking, if I could, if I could talk 420 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 6: to that guy, If I had if I had a 421 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 6: chance to talk to that guy, I really want to. 422 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 6: I mean, I'd almost want to figure out is he hurt? 423 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 6: Is there something wrong inside? Is there something going on 424 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 6: in his life that we need to find out about. 425 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 6: Can we get him help? Is I have a heart 426 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 6: for people? 427 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: Buck, If I. 428 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 6: Met somebody that broken and wrong I would want to 429 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 6: find out is it rehab? Look, I'll pitch in some money, Buck, 430 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 6: I know you will too. Play. You probably would too 431 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 6: if you met anybody that unbelievably deranged. 432 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: She is an absolute icon, and long after three of 433 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: us are gone, her music is going to echo throughout 434 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: who bringing everyone together. 435 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: Go to Jesse Kelly dot com. 436 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 3: Okay for drinking icewater at a super Bowl party. You 437 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: didn't drink ice water after you ran a half marathon. 438 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: You drink ice water at a super Bowl party. While 439 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 3: I might mention hanging out with guys and pounding meats 440 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: on the patio, I think you're phrasing. Uh. He's gonna 441 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: be voting for may or Pete in every election for 442 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: the rest of his life. 443 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: He's Jesse Kelly. 444 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: Make sure that you go subscribe to his podcast, check 445 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: out his new book, and you can listen to him 446 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: on many of these same stations in the evenings. 447 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: Jesse, Thank you. 448 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: Sunday Hang is brought to you by Chalk Natural Supplements 449 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: for guys, gals, and nothing in between. 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I think we can 460 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: get it up over a million in the next year. 461 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: I think when we start putting up the three hour 462 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 3: show and people are able to find it there in 463 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: addition to podcast and all the live radio and everything else, 464 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: I think we can take the YouTube show up over 465 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: a million subscribers. I think we can get that next year. 466 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 3: At some point. 467 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: Well, I'll certainly add a really fun dynamic to what 468 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: we're doing here, because then, for example, all of you could, 469 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: after you've listened on the radio, go check out the 470 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: YouTube and you could see that the haircut that I 471 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: got that Jesse remarked on I've already taken some incoming 472 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: on this one, Clay. I got home from my barbershop 473 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm doing great. You know, it's 474 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: all very light, very aerodynamic. Y. Do you get your 475 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: hair cut once a month? 476 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: Okay? You know, every four or five weeks. That's it. 477 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: That's that's legit. Okay, yeah, So so I went. 478 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: But I came home and I looked at my wife 479 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: and I said, and I said, what do you think? 480 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: She said, it's fine, And there was like a three 481 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: second pause before fine. 482 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: I think it looks good. But this is that's like 483 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: dagger to the heart. 484 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: Man, when you ask your wife what do you think 485 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: and she says something is dot dot dot fine, it's 486 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: not fine. 487 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: By the way, that's slip it. Not fine, by the way, 488 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: flip it. How do I look in this new dress? 489 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: Dot dot dot fine? You you're lucky if you make 490 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: it out of that house alive, Like there is no equality, 491 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: Like you're gonna say great, no matter what. 492 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: Great is the word? Great is the word? Guys? You 493 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: say great? You look great? Matter what? No matter? 494 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Puts a trash bag on. She puts a trash bag on. 495 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: She's like, I only paid five hundred dollars for it? 496 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: What do you think it was on sale? Like that 497 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: trash bag looks great? 498 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: It's great. 499 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 3: She could pause and completely denigrate you, or I think 500 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: you've talked about this before. The real woman move is 501 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: are you going to wear that? Like they don't say change, 502 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 3: they say are you going to wear that? The number 503 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: of times I've heard in my life getting ready. I've 504 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: been married twenty I don't know. I probably know this 505 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 3: twenty two years now. Number of times I've been told, 506 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: are you gonna wear that? 507 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 2: I guess not. 508 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: Head right back into the into the laboratory here to 509 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: find something new that I need to put on. But yeah, 510 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 3: you can't ever say this is a good Valentine's Day. 511 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: Is Saturday, good Valentine's Day choice. She looks great. Everything 512 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: she's ever put on looks fantastic. 513 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: We have a ton of talkbacks, only some of them 514 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: that at Clay, but we'll get to them anyway. 515 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: Here we go Marine in Arizona. This is talkback E. 516 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 7: This is Barren and Arizona. Tell Clay, I didn't have 517 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 7: a mustache and I was really good at landing air aplede. 518 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 7: I'm retired now, but I have a thirty thousand hours 519 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 7: is a flying time. 520 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 2: Well, so I guess you said. 521 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: I don't think I took a shot. I said that 522 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: I look like I would be good at landing airplanes. 523 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 3: But Marin, I appreciate the fact she didn't have a mustache, 524 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: but she was still good at landing airplanes. 525 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad she's still with us. That's good stuff. Here 526 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: we go AJ in Racine, Wisconsin. 527 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 8: Look, a mustache takes far more discipline. It takes far 528 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 8: more active effort than a beard does. Beards are are 529 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 8: symbols of laziness, whereas a mustache takes effort every day 530 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 8: to groom. It shows a much put together man. This 531 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 8: is coming from a bearded gentleman myself. 532 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: Doesn't AJ thought about? That? 533 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: Doesn't AJ kind of sound you like a guy who 534 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: spends hundreds of hours making dioramas of like revolutionary war figures, 535 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, intense? 536 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: She well probably do well in the lend to make 537 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 3: man test that I'm going to take about seventeen seventy 538 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: six history. I really want to take test. We got 539 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: to figure out if I can get a special dispensation. 540 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 2: To do so. Michael from Florida, g let's hear it. 541 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 9: Listen, I'll put this to bed right now. The mustache 542 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 9: has to stay. You've actually become the let's say, the 543 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 9: most dependent on reporter or slash broadcaster, slash. 544 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 10: Whatever acronym or title we want to give you are 545 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 10: now the Tom Tucker from family guy of our media, and. 546 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: The mustache has got to stay. That's just the way 547 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: it is. 548 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: You may be the most trusted mustachioed media figure in 549 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: America right now, Clay. 550 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: That is a real thing. 551 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 3: Yeah look, I'm just an America's sweetheart, and you know 552 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 3: this is quite the change from much of my career. 553 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: By the way, people are coming after you El Paso. 554 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 3: El Paso, they shut down the airport for a little 555 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: bit for not recognizing the Mexican radio song. I obviously 556 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: have no idea, but you're the musical expert here, Huck. 557 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 11: I can't believe that you've never heard the Mexican radio song. 558 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 11: It's a comedy song talking about a guy that was 559 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 11: in a band back in the late seventies when suddenly 560 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 11: he tunes on the radio and he hears from across 561 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 11: the border the Mexican radio station playing his rock song. 562 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 11: It's a great song. You should listen to it. Come on, man, that's. 563 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: A cool concept of a song idea. But I know 564 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: nothing about it. 565 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: I've never heard of it, nor had I heard it 566 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: the song before. I think there are cooler songs that 567 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: we could put into our Rejoin hopper as it were. 568 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I'm not taking an l on that one. 569 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: Like this is some song from the seventies. Guys, I 570 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: was born in the eighties. You know, we got to 571 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: keep it real over here. Long Island listener Jr. Listens 572 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: on WOR This is I. 573 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, is Jr on Long Island. Whomever is picking 574 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: your bumper music needs to get a raise. First wall 575 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: of voodoo? 576 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 6: Then was not? 577 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: Was I say give that person more money? 578 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 5: Was not? 579 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 9: Was? 580 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: I don't know is it? 581 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: But Greg has been I think producer Greg is picking 582 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: the music. So he's now rigging the talkbacks to angle 583 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: for a raise. It's not a bad move by him. 584 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 3: By the way. Jackie in North Carolina, she's been waiting 585 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: a while. We were talking with Secretary of Education Linda McMahon. Jackie, 586 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 3: you wanted to weigh in. 587 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 12: Hey, hello boys. I was weighing in on the top 588 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 12: to bottom control in public schools that I am exposed 589 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 12: to on the daily. I'm a teacher in North Carolina. 590 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 12: I won't say where. So college board, I teach at 591 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 12: high school college Forard is disseminating a workbook that all 592 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 12: of our students have to use, and is mandating that 593 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 12: we use it. I have no uh anonymity uh in 594 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 12: my choices in my classroom. And so at any rate, 595 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 12: long story short, they're race dating and all the stories 596 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 12: that they choose in these workbooks they are anti American, 597 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 12: like colonialism and uh and colonialism the root of all evil. 598 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 12: And as to Linda, to your point, I should say, boys, 599 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 12: I'm not needed, I'm I. We had a couple of 600 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 12: snow days over the past couple of weeks. I went 601 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 12: home and I turned on a switch for dissemination of 602 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 12: the curriculum that they have chosen. There was nothing for 603 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 12: me to do. It's already electronically put into a platform 604 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 12: which I just allowed the children to access. 605 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 5: And that's it. 606 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 12: I mean, it's really horrific. And our personal children went 607 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 12: to private school and had a vastly different experience and 608 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 12: actually learned something. Sadly, the children that sit in our 609 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 12: schools Hearing North Carolina are absolutely they're absolutely suffering, and 610 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 12: they're shows and the test results. 611 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: What grade can you tell us? What grade you teach? 612 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 12: I teach twelfth grade English? Well, sir, excuse me, English 613 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 12: three and English sports, so one one block of English 614 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 12: three and two blocks of English sports. So I see, 615 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 12: I see it in English three, and I've taught English 616 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 12: two and tenth grade. I refuse to teach freshman. That's 617 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 12: just a little bit too much. But so I've seen 618 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 12: it literally up and down the curriculum vertically. 619 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: No, I'm curious from your perspective, how has it changed. 620 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: I don't know when you started teaching, but when you 621 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: started teaching, was it drastically different? How have you seen 622 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: the evolution of the curriculum as dictated by North Carolina 623 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 3: progress in your career. 624 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 12: I've been in North Carolina since the mid two thousands, 625 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 12: and it has There is no longer teach a choice. 626 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 12: You are told what to teach. They give you the 627 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 12: you know, they give you the feeling that you have 628 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 12: choice in your classroom. You do not do you have 629 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 12: no choice. You can supplement, I suppose, but you have 630 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 12: to be in lockstep with College Board at at spring Board. 631 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 10: And you have to. 632 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 12: You have to also be in lockstep with what your 633 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 12: principal sad and your like little local overlord says. I mean, 634 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 12: you had zero choice, zero choice. And when I first 635 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 12: started teaching, you could go cross content, you could he 636 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 12: as an English teacher, I could go over to history 637 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 12: and cross content and you know, like texts, and that 638 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 12: would meet both worlds and make the kids excited. There 639 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 12: there is nothing exciting about teaching anymore. 640 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you this because I'm concerned 641 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 3: about this and I see it. My older son reads 642 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: a lot. My middle son like getting him to read 643 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: anything as a challenge. If you're teaching English for do kids. 644 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 3: I know kids have pretended to read books for a 645 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 3: long time, but do kids have the ability to read 646 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: text meaning classic novels and interact with them or are 647 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: you seeing, with the rise of social media and inability 648 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: to read deeply with your. 649 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 5: Kids ability to read deeply? 650 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 12: Reason being, everything that they're being given is like tackled 651 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 12: in like ten to fifteen minutes. First, if it's a 652 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 12: you know, uh chapter book you have to read, forget 653 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 12: about it. They don't have the stamina for that. The 654 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 12: first time in our curriculum as it stands now, that 655 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 12: the children in this part of North Carolina see Shakespeare 656 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 12: is as seniors crazy like they may read, may read 657 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 12: a sonic here or there, but they're not studying Shakespeare. 658 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 12: And the only thing they read is Ossello where I'm 659 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 12: at And you know, you're in Ostello for two weeks 660 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 12: and done, you know, and you have no choice as 661 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 12: a teacher what books you can read. You can like 662 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 12: suggest supplementation, but that has to be done outside of class. 663 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 12: So my children, aside from the text that they're reading 664 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 12: in the workbook again that's being disseminated from College Board 665 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 12: and we are being mandated to use and you know 666 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 12: how that might be in dotridation. The only two other 667 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 12: texts they're reading are, like I said, Othello and Pygmalion 668 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 12: or the Cruciple thank God, which is really fun to teach. 669 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 3: But and for calling in Jackie, this is what thank 670 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: you for giving us your perspective. 671 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 2: Buck. 672 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: This is something that I actually worry about. Big picture, 673 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 3: we talk about historical illiteracy. I worry that kids, younger 674 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: kids are not developing a depth of reasoning that is 675 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: required in order to analyze things in a complex way, 676 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 3: and that instead they're going to be on AI and 677 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: they're going to say, hey, tell me she just mentioned 678 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: a fellow. Tell me the story of a fellow, or 679 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: tell me what the themes are of Huckleberry Finn. And 680 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 3: when you don't experience it and grapple with text yourself, 681 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: your depth of knowledge of basically any thing is nonexistent. 682 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 3: Because I would argue the most useful tool that exists 683 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 3: is the ability to read and analyze information, and I 684 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 3: think it's going to matter even more in the culture 685 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 3: in which we're moving to because I think things are 686 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 3: just getting more complicated. 687 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: It's all true, and I didn't even have to type 688 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: that into AI to be able to understand it. 689 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think that's where we are. 690 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: And by the way, with the power of AI, these 691 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 3: kids are going to lack the ability to even understand 692 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: when they're being manipulated by the algorithms that govern AI. 693 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 3: I don't want to be like a super alarmist here, 694 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 3: but depth of reasoning and knowledge is basically to me 695 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 3: all that should be taught in school, and I worry 696 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 3: that it's being completely erased in many of our schools. 697 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 3: And if kids don't have the depth of knowledge to 698 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 3: grapple with complex issues in an in depth way, then 699 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 3: we're in trouble going forward, because basically we're just going 700 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 3: to have two emoticons running against each other uh in 701 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 3: elections going forward.