WEBVTT - From the Fans: Is it a Trap? 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.799 Guys, we are back with voice memos. We didn't have 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.800 writer last time, so I figured now is the moment 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.400 to reiterate the situation. We have a very dramatic reason 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.599 to be talking to fans this week. And what we 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.519 did is we put out a call on Instagram and 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.000 we said, if you feel the same sort of passion 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.000 as our host did regarding whether or not Topanga set 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:50.200 a trap for send us a voice memo under one minute, 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.920 which is a very tight place to be put in. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.400 A lot of people talk like the micromine a micromachine 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:56.360 man in order to get. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.160 At the f Oh jeez, I remember he was the best. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.040 And so yeah, we have clips from people who believe 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.000 it was a trap, clips from people who think it 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.959 wasn't a trap, and some people who just have thoughts. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.160 Wow, okay, all right. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.080 We know which team I'm on. I have not changed 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:12.800 my mind at all. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:17.240 I have not either. I'm still tea trapped them. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.759 Yeah. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.039 Yeah, I think if anything, I'm confused because I feel 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.880 like Danielle's position is actually that it was a trap. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.640 It's just that that to Panga didn't well I don't know. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.640 Was that it was the way to Panga The way 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.800 she said it and set it up in the opener 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.760 is clear to me. It was never intended to be 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.280 a trap. At the end of the episode, they threw 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:47.800 her under the bus and made it. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.280 They threw under the bus part, because that's the part 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.440 that throws me off, like what you're saying, because I 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.480 feel like you're coming at this from a defensive position 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.160 to begin with, that you already thought to Panga set 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.800 it up because you had been told by fans to 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.680 set up Corey, so that when you heard the line, 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.200 you're like, well, that's not actually what she said. But 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.800 the end of the episode is her saying you failed 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:10.600 my test. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.519 He said, he said. He says something like no, because 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.040 you told me too. He says that he puts those 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.600 words in her mouth, and she then doesn't say no, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.640 I didn't. She and yeah, you listened, which. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:26.840 Was lame by the writer's. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.720 Super lame and doesn't even doesn't correlate, like that's not 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.440 that's no, not you listened. I didn't set you. I 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.680 didn't give you a test. You're if I gave you 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.200 a test, your test was failed the moment you let 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.120 you stayed. So it wasn't a test about whether or 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:45.600 not you were going to go on the day with her. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.480 It was about whether or not you were ready to say, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.440 I'm walking out of here with you. You're the only 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.040 person I need to Panga, I don't need her. Let's 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:52.919 get out of here together. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:55.120 That's what I think too. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.679 I think essentially to Panga was done with the relationship 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.800 the second he didn't leave her. Correct, that's what I 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:02.160 think too. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:03.720 And why did she say you listened? 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.840 Because writers through under the bus. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.880 But that's that is the reality of the show. So 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:10.720 we're not talking. I mean, I'm agree it. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.000 Wasn't wasn't a test. The setup wasn't a test. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.240 But the result is a test. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.280 Well, listen, she said, you listened to me. But I 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.320 that could just be bad writing, bad bad writing. That's 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.960 totally under But I. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.560 Mean, we could say it's bad writing, but that's the 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.919 it was a trap. Like the intention of that is 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.840 you listened. I mean, i I'm I'm I'm just saying 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.200 like that is the storyline, right, You can say it's 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.800 bad writing, but you're choosing which side of the equation 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:41.720 you're going to. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.400 Wasn't set up. She did set up a trap. She 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.880 didn't set up a trap at the end, Corey tried 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.000 to say you you set up a trap, and Ta 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.360 Penga didn't tell him she didn't, which she should have, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.880 but it doesn't It doesn't change the fact that she 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.280 was never setting up a trap. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:01.520 He as someone who listened to hundreds of lips from listeners. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.320 If the decision was made at the time that she 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.800 said you can stay with Lauren, like if she's saying 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.840 you have to be one hundred percent with me, but 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.160 then he stays with Lauren and she made her decision there, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.520 it can't physically be a trap because she's already made 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:19.720 her decision, right. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.880 I also think the next episode went out of its way, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.000 or the episode after whenever it was, went out of 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.480 its way to have to Panga say yes, trap trap, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:29.400 trap trap or whatever. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.000 Test test test, test, test, test test, the biggest test. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.240 The biggest yeah, because they wanted to make sure that 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.440 everyone knew that at that point she's testing Corey, whereas 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:40.440 I don't think the first. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:41.440 One, and again I think it does. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.320 They try. Here's what I would say. They tried to 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.200 write it as if it were a trap the way 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.520 that it was set up in Chubbies. It did not 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.880 come off to me that Tapanga was trapping her, and 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.720 if you just cut the line you listened, yes, it. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.800 Wouldn't been t The idea that Sean from the very 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.840 beginning is picking up on exactly what Tapanga is saying, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.080 and he's saying, it's a trap. Go with her, Go 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.920 with her right now, whatever happens here, go you You're 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.560 the right thing to do is go with Tapanga. And 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:14.440 Corey doesn't. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.600 So I know, but you guys are making it out 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.800 that that I mean, I don't know. I'm not sure 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.680 quite what you're defending. I guess if if if the 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.160 idea is that there's a binary trap or no trap, 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.000 then clear and you want to you want to say 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.960 Topanga clearly did not intend it to be a trap. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.680 You're looking at the word and you're saying, yes, okay, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.800 and then we're just gonna ex we're just gonna take 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.960 away that I listened, because that implies it isn't. But 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:39.640 it's like, but actually, if you look at the whole thing, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.760 it's clearly not a binary. It's somewhat messy, it's signed 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.520 in between, and I think Topega is smart enough to 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.320 know it's kind of in between. So ultimately, like she's 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.160 she's she's got her release valve, she's got her escape patch. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:53.839 It wasn't really a trap if you look at what 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.919 I actually said. But that's manipulative to a degree, clearly. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.280 But she, oh, she's not super clear. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.839 It's so clear to me. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.240 If she was clear, she would say, walk out, if 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.680 you're right now, if you need to. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.280 Go, do she doesn't want to give him an ultimatum. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:13.440 I don't. An ultimatum is also putting somebody in a situation. Wow, 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.200 I'm going to put you in a situation where you 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.839 have to decide it's me or her. No, why don't 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.680 you figure out who you want to be with. I'm 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.680 not going to force you into a situation. You either 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.760 want to be with me or you don't want to 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.159 be with me, And if you're not sure, then figure 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.039 that out. But I don't want to be with somebody 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.960 who isn't sure. So I'm leaving right now. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:39.680 And that's the part I leave, she leaves, she goes. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.760 Then you should go figure that out. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.760 I think, And I think she could be very clear, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.840 and I think it could you could be very clear 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.280 without giving an ultimatum and just be like this is 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.360 this is the situation we're in, which is not what happens. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.880 She she says, just the right wording, and then they'll 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.600 and you listen. So therefore now I know you did. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.200 You failed the test. I still think it's it's I mean, 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.320 my character says it's a trap. It is. It's a trap. 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.680 And yet you pick up on exactly what it is 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.840 that she's saying, which is you should know without a 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.320 shadow of a doubt that I'm the person you want 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.720 to be with. So this should be really easy for you. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:17.760 You should be one hundred percent sure, and if you're not, 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.720 then stay and figure that out. But I cannot be 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.200 with someone who needs to stay and figure it out. Bye, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.320 and she leaves, Well. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.480 So we have to add that extra sentence. That extra 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.560 sentence is very good. That's not the line. That's not 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:32.200 what depics on. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.760 She walks out. It's exactly what she says. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:36.600 I feel like we're not going to be I'm sorry, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.560 I feel like we're not going to be this in 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:39.960 depth and philosophical. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.960 When it comes to why Eric's in the couch, well. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.240 I just don't think it's going to get at It's 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.760 going to get the same amount of response, right. 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.760 Well, it doesn't sound like we're going in any new direction. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.640 So let's go to the audience again. Worth noting we 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.520 received hundreds of emails with voice memos. This time we 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.280 had a quicker turnaround deadline also, so people got really 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.360 into these with notes and all sorts of things. I 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.280 think we basically found our subruer film. Do you guys 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.920 want to hear a trap or a non trap? 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.360 First surprise us? 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:10.680 Yep? 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:15.880 Okay, all right, let's listen to Hillary. Hillary believes it 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:16.840 is a trap. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.400 Of course it's a trap. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.440 That's why Sean calls it a trap right from Jump Street. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.760 That's why there is a runner about what girls really mean. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.240 It wasn't even Corey's idea to stay and talk to Lauren. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.760 That's why he says to Panga told him to go 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.680 out with her, and that's why she says, and you listened, Panga, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.520 being clear, would have been saying, talk to her and 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.760 we're done, stay here and we're breaking up. But then 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.880 the episode would have no stakes. Telling Corey to talk 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.319 to Lauren if he needs to, that she couldn't be 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.280 with him if he's unsure, is to say, I don't 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.560 want us to be together. If you have doubts or 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.959 wondering if you're still thinking of her, So go find 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:00.080 out if you're sure, and he does, he listens one 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.240 hundred percent a trap there. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.360 I agree with that one sentence of I could not 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.880 be with someone who is unsure, but that is answered 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.560 the minute he doesn't leave with her. Topeka's shocked. This 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.720 is even still a consideration. Oh, this woman felt so 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.840 strongly about you. She had to come here for four hours. 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.320 She had to come here four hours to see if 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.200 there's something else. If you feel the same way, Bud, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:25.319 we've got a bigger problem. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.680 But it's either a test in the moment then or 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.880 a test later. And the fact that it's a test 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.839 later it means that the whole thing was a trap, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.720 right like because Tobenga could be very clear in that moment, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.920 and it doesn't have to be an ultimatum. She could 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.400 just say I'm leaving, I'm breaking up with you, I'm 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.320 walking out of here. Right She can be the proactive 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.079 one saying I don't want to be with you because 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.439 you are one hundred percent not sure. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.720 But she doesn't know if he's unsure what she heard 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:58.200 him say, I don't want to know. She's saying, here's 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.440 your moment. Are you sure or are you not one 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.440 hundred percent sure? Because if you're not one hundred percent sure, 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.280 I couldn't be with you anymore. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.280 And so then she leaves that that's like, but that's 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.280 the kind of thing that she should say, but she 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.800 doesn't say that, And she said that. He says, but 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.560 if she said that, what would Corey do? 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.560 I just he say, he stays to figure it out. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:22.760 That's the whole point. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.679 If she said the sentence that you just said, I 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.079 think he would have said, Okay, yeah, obviously I'm going 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:28.760 with you to Panka. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.560 Then what was the point of the arc? The whole 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.400 point of him meeting her was, I can't believe I 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.679 want to talk to this woman who is in Topanga. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.920 I like her. I enjoyed spending all night with her. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.600 I could have gone on the ski slopes with Tapanga, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.880 and I didn't. I said my I lied and said 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.440 my ankle still hurt, all because I had feelings for 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.320 this other woman. Then she shows up to see if 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.720 they need to pursue that, and Topenga goes, wow, she 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:04.040 not so sure your story is over. If you're not 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:09.400 sure your story is over, then you should figure that out. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.640 I could never be with someone who wasn't one hundred 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:17.680 percent sure. And then she leaves him. Not leaving with 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:22.120 her is him saying I'm not one hundred percent sure. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.439 Well, I think it's important. Note now I will give 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.520 you not a trap person again. This says nothing about anything, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.200 but I will say that more people emailed that it 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.000 was not a trap. Again, was not a competition, but 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.000 at least it's worth knowing. And here's our first one. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.160 This is Barsha not a trap. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.280 It was clear that the writers couldn't have Corey be 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.640 a villain or a bad guy, so they had to 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.200 set the scene up as a trap that tippeninga places 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.400 to draw us away from the fact that he literally 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.800 cheated on her and then lied to her about it all. Yes, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.400 she does ask him to take the time to figure 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.080 his feelings out, but that was because she didn't want 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.920 to force or beg him to choose her. After all, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.959 they'd been in a relationship for years. To Penga left 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.120 her family to be with him, and so the least 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.760 a peg it deserved was that Corey would choose her. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.120 Onspot in Chubbies, but he had to question the whole 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.520 relationship based on one night of talking to a random girl. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.800 She never had to question her feelings for him, so 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.520 she was extremely clear that she wanted a guy who 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.120 was one hundred percent sure about her as well, which 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.280 he wasn't. So later when he did choose her and 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.959 she said that she can't be in the relationship, it 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.439 wasn't because she wanted to trap him, but because he 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.760 had to weigh a long term relationship to a few 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:38.120 hours old infatuation. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.720 That's it, But the irony is to Peggott does end 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.520 up having to test her love for Corey by going 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.680 out with another guy. 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:48.800 We don't know that yet. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.760 That's not what I'm saying. Like, but the in the 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.520 air she comes back says, I'm in love with Corey. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:02.400 Feelings not about feelings for Corey. Yes, because she tells Corey, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.880 I didn't understand how someone could kiss you and not 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.360 have it mean anything. So she then went on a 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.880 date with somebody who on paper has everything she could 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.640 possibly want, a guy. He kisses her and she goes, Wow, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.040 it is possible to physically be intimate with somebody with 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.320 a kiss and not have it mean anything. I now 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.480 feel like I could understand Corey, how his Corey, how 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.000 his kiss with Lauren didn't change anything in the way 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.320 he felt about me. That's what she That's what she 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.880 ends up realizing is Wow, you can actually physically be 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.320 intimate with somebody, like having a kiss with someone, and 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.280 have it truly not mean anything because he kissed me 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.800 this perfect man on paper and I felt nothing. 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.440 So how does that reflect on this moment? 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:51.680 Then? 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.480 Do you think for to think. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:54.960 On what moment? 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.360 Well, she says I can't be with it. That she 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.360 changes her idea. She changes her because because Corey. If 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.920 if Corey says I'm not one hundred percent sure I 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.120 need to go spend this day with Lauren, right, she 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.839 ultimately forgives him for that, I mean to be with him, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.160 right because she also says, oh, you weren't one hundred 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.120 percent sure, and I'm still in love with you, because 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.439 you know, even if if like you're saying, it wasn't 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.800 an experience, I had to go out. I just had 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.880 to have the physical kiss either way. She comes around 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.800 to say, to change her mind after this, right. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:30.000 Yes, which she shouldn't have, but she she does because 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.080 she's decided that she's gonna over and over again, forgive 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.120 him cheating on her. She's shown that, so I think 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.200 for her it was more a matter of being able 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.560 to have true empathy. For Oh, someone can kiss you 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.680 and it really cannot mean anything. You could feel nothing, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.760 as opposed to them being worried that like, not only 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.360 did you emotionally have a connection to this girl, you 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.160 stayed up all night with and lied to me about 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.200 you kissed her, and that would obviously have to mean something. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.560 It's a bit of a we talked about the way 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.280 they wrote Toga. It's a little bit of like a 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.760 changing of the situation because later she makes it all 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.560 about the kiss when it wasn't really about the kiss. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:06.760 Well. 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.440 They also they did something kind of interesting in that 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.440 episode because they were trying to obviously mirror what happened 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.120 in the ski lodge where she looks down is like, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:14.680 oh my god, I spent the whole day talking to 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.480 you in an art museum. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:17.000 I didn't really. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.960 But the difference is Corey was struggling with the fact 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.640 that he found somebody that he really connected with instantly 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.920 and really liked. They never really got into that with 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.880 Topenga and French Boy. It was just kind of like 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:31.040 he's really cute. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.880 You should go out with him. It wasn't like, oh 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.200 my god, I never had. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.920 Feelings for him. Interesting conversationalists. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:38.920 Yeah, it was where they really set it up with 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.800 Corey where he was like, oh my god, I could 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.800 have feelings for somebody other than Topanga, where Topenga is 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.240 just like, well, I guess I'm here because Corey went 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:46.880 out with somebody. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:48.760 I mean it was I mean she does, doesn't she 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.000 have the man's playing moment at the painting and then 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.760 drag Corey into test his phone. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.320 Oh yeah, no, no, no, that was ridiculous, all the testing 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.520 that was clearly a test and oh no, but I'm. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.640 Saying that it wasn't wasn't that her being affected by 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.200 this guy, Like she was not a moment she was 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.000 having a moment with a guy where she was like, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:09.320 I wish Corey, I would to do this it too. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.000 They set up an intimacy between Corey and Lauren that 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.520 they never set up between Topanga and I literally don't 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:15.720 even remember the character's name. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:16.640 Ricky. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.520 Ricky, right, Ricky, don't lose that number. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.640 Let's go back to a trap here. This is Anna. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.560 The amount of screaming I did while only listening to 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.240 this podcast, this week's podcast, and last week's podcast, Oh 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.320 my Goodness. For most of the part I was always 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.720 on Will's side. I definitely agreed with his mindset, his opinions, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.840 and then this week's episode talking about the trap, I 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.440 was definitely agreeing and understood right her side. I'm thirty 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.000 years old. I've watched this show then and I've watched 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.760 it now, and it's not until now that I've gotten 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:58.920 older that it's like hearing that back was like, No, Tipega. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:16:59.480 Knew what she was doing. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.640 She knew what she was saying because she is portrayed 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.399 as a very intelligent, very wise woman, and it just 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.520 felt as she also knows Corey isn't there, so it 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.200 fell and sounded like a trap. Oh so much to say, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:14.920 but yeah. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:22.880 Yeah, people have feelings. I do wonder too, like does 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.920 this make it good television that so many people absolutely 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:27.720 different ways? 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:28.480 Yeah? 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.239 I mean, I think the only reason they threw her 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.120 under the bus is to make it is to make 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.280 it where neither one of them is technically wrong. But 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.120 you can, you can fudget all you want, you can 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.919 pretend the kiss is what really ultimately bothered to Panga 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.639 the most. Corey can say you set a trap, and 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.000 she can respond with some non non it doesn't make 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.600 any sense. We can do all of that, but it 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.640 was the way it was set up is the way 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.080 it should have finished, and it was to me very clear, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.119 I am not going to force you into an ultimatum 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.840 where I'm begging you to choose me. You should already 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.440 know and anything after that moment is just them trying 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.040 to make Corey not a villain and make Tapanga seem 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.520 like she also understands how this could happen for Corey, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.440 but I don't feel I feel like it's completely inexcusable. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.840 Let's hear another non a trap. This is Marissa. 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:35.040 Okay. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.520 When I was younger, I felt torn off Tapanga was 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.400 being sketchy with this quote trap. But as a grown 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.240 up woman, I realized that Tapanga has been through more 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.200 moments of infidelity with Corey than I have fingers. So 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.200 whatever Tapanga needed to do for herself to get out 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.280 of the cycle with Corey, I'm in support of. 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:52.200 It was a. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.600 Strong moment seeing her walk out of Chubbies as a 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.520 free woman. With that said, Topanga and Corey forever, I 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.359 love this show and I will us. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.359 Well, I mean again, you you talked about it. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.840 It's a good TV I would instantly go when I 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.879 think Corey and Topanga, you can you can make the 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.040 correlation Ross and Rachel where it's like an iconic television 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:16.080 couple that has mattered. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.320 People forget that Ross and Rachel were separated on the 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.480 show for six seasons. Yeah, and that was some of 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.720 the best TV they had. Was are they going to 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.520 get back together? They're not going to get back together? 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:27.080