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Speaker 1: Guys, we are back with voice memos. We didn't have

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Speaker 1: to reiterate the situation. We have a very dramatic reason

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Speaker 1: to be talking to fans this week. And what we

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Speaker 1: did is we put out a call on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: we said, if you feel the same sort of passion

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Speaker 1: as our host did regarding whether or not Topanga set

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Speaker 1: a trap for send us a voice memo under one minute,

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Speaker 1: which is a very tight place to be put in.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people talk like the micromine a micromachine

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Speaker 1: man in order to get.

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Speaker 2: At the f Oh jeez, I remember he was the best.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, we have clips from people who believe

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Speaker 1: it was a trap, clips from people who think it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a trap, and some people who just have thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: We know which team I'm on. I have not changed

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Speaker 3: my mind at all.

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Speaker 2: I have not either. I'm still tea trapped them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if anything, I'm confused because I feel

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Speaker 4: like Danielle's position is actually that it was a trap.

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Speaker 4: It's just that that to Panga didn't well I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Was that it was the way to Panga The way

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Speaker 3: is clear to me. It was never intended to be

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Speaker 3: a trap. At the end of the episode, they threw

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Speaker 3: her under the bus and made it.

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Speaker 4: They threw under the bus part, because that's the part

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Speaker 4: that throws me off, like what you're saying, because I

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Speaker 4: feel like you're coming at this from a defensive position

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Speaker 4: to begin with, that you already thought to Panga set

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Speaker 4: it up because you had been told by fans to

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Speaker 4: set up Corey, so that when you heard the line,

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Speaker 4: you're like, well, that's not actually what she said. But

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Speaker 4: the end of the episode is her saying you failed

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Speaker 4: my test.

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Speaker 3: He said, he said. He says something like no, because

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Speaker 3: you told me too. He says that he puts those

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Speaker 3: I didn't. She and yeah, you listened, which.

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Speaker 2: Was lame by the writer's.

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Speaker 3: Super lame and doesn't even doesn't correlate, like that's not

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Speaker 3: that's no, not you listened. I didn't set you. I

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Speaker 3: didn't give you a test. You're if I gave you

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Speaker 3: a test, your test was failed the moment you let

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Speaker 3: you stayed. So it wasn't a test about whether or

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Speaker 3: not you were going to go on the day with her.

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Speaker 3: It was about whether or not you were ready to say,

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Speaker 3: I'm walking out of here with you. You're the only

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Speaker 3: person I need to Panga, I don't need her. Let's

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Speaker 2: That's what I think too.

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Speaker 5: I think essentially to Panga was done with the relationship

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Speaker 5: the second he didn't leave her. Correct, that's what I

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Speaker 4: And why did she say you listened?

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Speaker 2: Because writers through under the bus.

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Speaker 4: But that's that is the reality of the show. So

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Speaker 4: we're not talking. I mean, I'm agree it.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't wasn't a test. The setup wasn't a test.

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Speaker 4: But the result is a test.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, she said, you listened to me. But I

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Speaker 3: that could just be bad writing, bad bad writing. That's

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Speaker 3: totally under But I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, we could say it's bad writing, but that's the

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Speaker 4: it was a trap. Like the intention of that is

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Speaker 4: you listened. I mean, i I'm I'm I'm just saying

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Speaker 4: bad writing, but you're choosing which side of the equation

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Speaker 3: Wasn't set up. She did set up a trap. She

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Speaker 3: didn't set up a trap at the end, Corey tried

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't It doesn't change the fact that she

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Speaker 3: was never setting up a trap.

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Speaker 1: He as someone who listened to hundreds of lips from listeners.

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Speaker 1: If the decision was made at the time that she

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Speaker 1: then he stays with Lauren and she made her decision there,

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Speaker 1: it can't physically be a trap because she's already made

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Speaker 5: I also think the next episode went out of its way,

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Speaker 5: its way to have to Panga say yes, trap trap,

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Speaker 4: Test test test, test, test, test test, the biggest test.

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Speaker 5: The biggest yeah, because they wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 5: I don't think the first.

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Speaker 2: One, and again I think it does.

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Speaker 5: They try. Here's what I would say. They tried to

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Speaker 5: that it was set up in Chubbies. It did not

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Speaker 5: come off to me that Tapanga was trapping her, and

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Speaker 5: if you just cut the line you listened, yes, it.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't been t The idea that Sean from the very

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Speaker 3: and he's saying, it's a trap. Go with her, Go

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Speaker 3: with her right now, whatever happens here, go you You're

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Speaker 3: the right thing to do is go with Tapanga. And

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Speaker 3: Corey doesn't.

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Speaker 4: So I know, but you guys are making it out

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Speaker 4: that that I mean, I don't know. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: quite what you're defending. I guess if if if the

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Speaker 4: then clear and you want to you want to say

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Speaker 4: Topanga clearly did not intend it to be a trap.

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Speaker 4: You're looking at the word and you're saying, yes, okay,

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Speaker 4: away that I listened, because that implies it isn't. But

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Speaker 4: it's clearly not a binary. It's somewhat messy, it's signed

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Speaker 4: she's she's got her release valve, she's got her escape patch.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't really a trap if you look at what

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Speaker 4: I actually said. But that's manipulative to a degree, clearly.

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Speaker 4: But she, oh, she's not super clear.

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Speaker 3: It's so clear to me.

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Speaker 4: If she was clear, she would say, walk out, if

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Speaker 4: you're right now, if you need to.

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Speaker 3: Go, do she doesn't want to give him an ultimatum.

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Speaker 3: I don't. An ultimatum is also putting somebody in a situation. Wow,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put you in a situation where you

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Speaker 3: have to decide it's me or her. No, why don't

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Speaker 3: you figure out who you want to be with. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to force you into a situation. You either

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Speaker 3: be with me, And if you're not sure, then figure

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Speaker 4: And that's the part I leave, she leaves, she goes.

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Speaker 3: Then you should go figure that out.

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Speaker 4: I think, And I think she could be very clear,

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Speaker 4: and I think it could you could be very clear

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Speaker 4: without giving an ultimatum and just be like this is

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Speaker 4: this is the situation we're in, which is not what happens.

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Speaker 4: She she says, just the right wording, and then they'll

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Speaker 4: and you listen. So therefore now I know you did.

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Speaker 4: You failed the test. I still think it's it's I mean,

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Speaker 4: my character says it's a trap. It is. It's a trap.

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Speaker 3: And yet you pick up on exactly what it is

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Speaker 3: that she's saying, which is you should know without a

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Speaker 3: shadow of a doubt that I'm the person you want

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Speaker 3: to be with. So this should be really easy for you.

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Speaker 3: You should be one hundred percent sure, and if you're not,

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Speaker 3: then stay and figure that out. But I cannot be

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Speaker 3: with someone who needs to stay and figure it out. Bye,

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Speaker 3: and she leaves, Well.

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Speaker 4: So we have to add that extra sentence. That extra

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Speaker 4: sentence is very good. That's not the line. That's not

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Speaker 3: She walks out. It's exactly what she says.

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Speaker 5: I feel like we're not going to be I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: I feel like we're not going to be this in

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Speaker 2: When it comes to why Eric's in the couch, well.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think it's going to get at It's

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Speaker 5: going to get the same amount of response, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't sound like we're going in any new direction.

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Speaker 1: So let's go to the audience again. Worth noting we

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Speaker 1: received hundreds of emails with voice memos. This time we

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Speaker 1: had a quicker turnaround deadline also, so people got really

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Speaker 1: into these with notes and all sorts of things. I

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Speaker 1: think we basically found our subruer film. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: want to hear a trap or a non trap?

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Speaker 2: First surprise us?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's listen to Hillary. Hillary believes it

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Speaker 1: is a trap.

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Speaker 3: Of course it's a trap.

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Speaker 6: That's why Sean calls it a trap right from Jump Street.

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Speaker 6: That's why there is a runner about what girls really mean.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't even Corey's idea to stay and talk to Lauren.

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Speaker 6: That's why he says to Panga told him to go

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Speaker 6: out with her, and that's why she says, and you listened, Panga,

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Speaker 6: being clear, would have been saying, talk to her and

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Speaker 6: we're done, stay here and we're breaking up. But then

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Speaker 6: the episode would have no stakes. Telling Corey to talk

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Speaker 6: to Lauren if he needs to, that she couldn't be

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Speaker 6: with him if he's unsure, is to say, I don't

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Speaker 6: wondering if you're still thinking of her, So go find

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Speaker 6: hundred percent a trap there.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that one sentence of I could not

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Speaker 3: the minute he doesn't leave with her. Topeka's shocked. This

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Speaker 3: is even still a consideration. Oh, this woman felt so

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Speaker 3: strongly about you. She had to come here for four hours.

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Speaker 3: She had to come here four hours to see if

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Speaker 3: there's something else. If you feel the same way, Bud,

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Speaker 3: we've got a bigger problem.

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Speaker 4: But it's either a test in the moment then or

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Speaker 4: a test later. And the fact that it's a test

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Speaker 4: later it means that the whole thing was a trap,

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Speaker 4: right like because Tobenga could be very clear in that moment,

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Speaker 4: and it doesn't have to be an ultimatum. She could

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Speaker 4: just say I'm leaving, I'm breaking up with you, I'm

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Speaker 4: walking out of here. Right She can be the proactive

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Speaker 4: one saying I don't want to be with you because

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Speaker 4: you are one hundred percent not sure.

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Speaker 3: But she doesn't know if he's unsure what she heard

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Speaker 3: him say, I don't want to know. She's saying, here's

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Speaker 3: your moment. Are you sure or are you not one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent sure? Because if you're not one hundred percent sure,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't be with you anymore.

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Speaker 4: And so then she leaves that that's like, but that's

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Speaker 4: the kind of thing that she should say, but she

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Speaker 4: doesn't say that, And she said that. He says, but

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Speaker 4: if she said that, what would Corey do?

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Speaker 3: I just he say, he stays to figure it out.

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Speaker 3: That's the whole point.

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Speaker 4: If she said the sentence that you just said, I

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's important. Note now I will give

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Speaker 3: Yes, which she shouldn't have, but she she does because

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Speaker 5: But the difference is Corey was struggling with the fact

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Speaker 3: Feelings for him. Interesting conversationalists.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was where they really set it up with

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Speaker 4: Saying that it wasn't wasn't that her being affected by

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Speaker 5: They set up an intimacy between Corey and Lauren that

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Speaker 2: Ricky, right, Ricky, don't lose that number.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to a trap here. This is Anna.

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Speaker 10: The amount of screaming I did while only listening to

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Speaker 3: Knew what she was doing.

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Speaker 10: She knew what she was saying because she is portrayed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people have feelings. I do wonder too, like does

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the only reason they threw her

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Speaker 3: I am not going to force you into an ultimatum

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Speaker 1: Let's hear another non a trap. This is Marissa.

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Speaker 11: When I was younger, I felt torn off Tapanga was

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Speaker 11: being sketchy with this quote trap. But as a grown

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Speaker 11: whatever Tapanga needed to do for herself to get out

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Speaker 12: It was a.

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Speaker 11: Strong moment seeing her walk out of Chubbies as a

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, you you talked about it.

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Speaker 5: It's a good TV I would instantly go when I

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Speaker 2: People forget that Ross and Rachel were separated on the

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Speaker 5: And they never did that with Corey and Topanga, And

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Speaker 1: It also became a verb when you were pitching TV shows, right,

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Speaker 1: it was, Oh, we're going to do what are they

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, well there won't they?

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Speaker 1: Well, there won't they?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: It became their own form of sitcom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, they missed a lot there. They certainly did.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to someone named Bess. Bess has a

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Speaker 1: perspective that none of us have currently, that's for sure.

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Speaker 10: Hi, this is Bess.

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Speaker 12: I agree with Danielle that the writers did to Panga

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Speaker 12: dirty mainly though this episode stirs up so much in me.

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Speaker 12: I recently developed a crush on someone outside my marriage.

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Speaker 12: I handled it different than Corey. I told my husband

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Speaker 12: more in love. So when Corey learned that he doesn't

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Speaker 12: I thought that was really beautiful. The problem is Corey

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Speaker 12: took action with Lauren when he could have just worked

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Speaker 12: I don't think it was a trap. I think Corey

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Speaker 12: funny that I've never felt so connected to the storyline

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Speaker 12: as I do now in my thirties. Married. Anyway, Justice

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Speaker 12: for Tapanga and I love this podcast so much.

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Speaker 2: Justice Forega. That's great.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is great, And you know that like that idea.

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Speaker 3: That to me is what has bothered me so much

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Speaker 3: more about the Corey's infidelity is that moment where he

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Speaker 3: heat Now, granted we're talking about teenagers.

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Speaker 13: No, the problem is that the the the the criticism

440
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Speaker 13: of us taking it so seriously, or of us having

441
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Speaker 13: higher expectations for any of these characters Tapega included for Tapanga,

442
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 13: for our even for our expectation for Tapega to.

443
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Speaker 3: Go, listen, lady, make it clear. Are you given him

444
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: an ultimatum or are you not? Are you testing him

445
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 3: or are you not? That's a Those are big. Those

446
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 3: are expectations you have of people, of married people, not

447
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: of teenagers who aren't the best at communicating or or

448
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 3: understanding their feelings and all of this. But yet the

449
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 3: storyline is such an adult storyline it's hard to it's

450
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: hard to keep that in perspective.

451
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Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about that.

452
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Speaker 5: We've talked about how the people a lot of people

453
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Speaker 5: writing the show, and they were going through things like

454
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Speaker 5: this in their life, and they were using these young

455
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Speaker 5: characters to act out what was happening in their own world.

456
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Speaker 5: So it became very adult very quickly. Yeah, that was

457
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Speaker 5: That's an interesting way to look at it though.

458
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Speaker 4: But I want to throw in another wrinkle here, which

459
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Speaker 4: is something we talked about a little bit when when

460
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Speaker 4: we covered the episode. I think this whole moment and

461
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 4: all the sort of confusion around it is the confusion

462
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 4: is increased by the fact that Linda Cardelini was not

463
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Speaker 4: there for us to shoot this specific scene. Because if

464
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 4: you can't do a wide shot to include Lauren in

465
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Speaker 4: the scene, or even if she's on the other side

466
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Speaker 4: of between seeing him watching to Panga leave and deciding

467
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Speaker 4: to stay, you know, because you guys are isolated, almost

468
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 4: feels like she's gone. Like in my mind, I was like,

469
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 4: where are we? Is this later it's a commercial break

470
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: or whatever it is. That jump is so awkward, And

471
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: what that does is it makes it a Corey to

472
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: Panga moment where it does seem like Topanga should just

473
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Speaker 4: be more clear. But if she's in front of Lauren

474
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Speaker 4: or Lauren.

475
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Speaker 3: Could maybe hear her and Carey with physical body, Lauren

476
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Speaker 3: Wiga leaves.

477
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Speaker 4: And that also, for me makes a lot more sense

478
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Speaker 4: of why Topanga wouldn't be like harsh or clear because

479
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 4: she also was like, hey, hey, you're having a moment here,

480
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 4: because that woman is listening to us talk right now,

481
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 4: I'm not going to like be the freaked out psycho

482
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Speaker 4: girlfriend who's all jealous, you know, And partly because she

483
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Speaker 4: doesn't want to do that in front of it. You

484
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Speaker 4: don't even give Lauren that the pleasure, you know, or whatever,

485
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 4: just satisfaction. So she says, no, no, no, no, you do

486
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Speaker 4: your thing. But because I'm I walked in on something,

487
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 4: I'm walking out. And here's what me walking out means.

488
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Speaker 4: I would have totally buy what you're saying. But I

489
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Speaker 4: think because it feels like a personal private conversation, I'm

490
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: a little like, screw you to Panga be clear if

491
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 4: it was, but I don't know, so I think it was. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think that it really does come

493
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 4: down to like the blocking and the right and in

494
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 4: fact that she wasn't there.

495
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: The visualization of who does Corey's body stay next to

496
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Speaker 3: this scene with the three of them and Sean going,

497
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Speaker 3: h dude, you gotta go with this, you gotta go

498
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 3: with her, and Corey turning back to look at Lauren

499
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Speaker 3: and choosing to stay would have been like a cringe,

500
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like you're right that that her not

501
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: then being there for that next scene or at the

502
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: very least making that moment where Tapega is talking to

503
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Speaker 3: Cory a wider shot.

504
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Speaker 4: Yes, and just be like, oh, this is because then

505
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 4: it's more in the moment still, and it's like Tapanga

506
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 4: just being like you have yeah, an awkward and all

507
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 4: the things that would make this whole situation.

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

509
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Speaker 5: I also think there's something to be said for I

510
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 5: wonder how much our thoughts would change either way if

511
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 5: we knew it was actually in the letter, because I mean,

512
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 5: you know, don't I mean, she just said it's intimate,

513
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 5: but how intimate does it get I'm in love with you?

514
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Speaker 4: I mean, you never know.

515
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: It could completely have changed what we think one way

516
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Speaker 2: or another.

517
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Speaker 5: Chust Panga read it, everybody read it, but us so

518
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 5: curious to know what was there.

519
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Speaker 1: Here is Tara. She also in a position different than ours.

520
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Speaker 4: Hi.

521
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Speaker 8: There, this is Tara from Eastport, Maine. I'm actually a

522
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Speaker 8: school counselor. So let me tell you if I was

523
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Speaker 8: the school counselor at John Adams High School. Because let's

524
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 8: be real, ms Collins was terrible at a job, I

525
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 8: would be encouraging to Panga to say was she actually

526
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 8: means to Corey? Because she totally trapped him. All she

527
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 8: had to do was say I can't be with someone

528
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 8: who's on one hundred percent sure about me and you

529
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 8: are obviously conflicted, so I am out. But instead she

530
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 8: made it seem like there was still a chance for

531
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Speaker 8: them to stay together because she was letting Corey go

532
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Speaker 8: figure out if he was one hundred percent sure about her.

533
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Speaker 8: The whole exchange is so frustrating, and I totally blame

534
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 8: the writers for this, and I agree with Danielle that

535
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 8: the writers totally through Topanga under the bus. It's a

536
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 8: total disservice to your character and it drives me bananas.

537
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Speaker 2: It's always the school counselor.

538
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Speaker 3: It's funny because Topanga doesn't know that Corey is conflicted.

539
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: All Topega hears is I need you to go because

540
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Speaker 3: I don't want her to see us together. That's what

541
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: she hears. Yeah, you need to get out of here

542
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: because Toga Topanga is coming and I don't want her

543
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: to see us together. And Topega then is like, you know,

544
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: you don't always get what you want or something you

545
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: can't always That's like what she says, like, woo, can't

546
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: always get what you want and that's why. Then to me,

547
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: it's even more clear that Tapanga is saying, if you

548
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: need to stay, then you should do that. But I'm out,

549
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: and I don't know it is it's it is.

550
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's muddled.

551
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 4: They wanted to be muddled, so we have an episode

552
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: they wanted to thirty years later, they were looking for

553
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: a podcast episode and here it.

554
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 3: Is, and here it is.

555
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: We got it.

556
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 5: Do you think there would be this much discussion over

557
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 5: whether or not Corey cheated. There's a ton of discussion

558
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 5: about what Tapanga did. But do you think we would

559
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: have the same whether or not him kissing him and

560
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 5: just staying up and talking all night. Do you think

561
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 5: there would be that it would be as divided over

562
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 5: did he cheat or did he not?

563
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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you guys think? Do you think

564
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: he did?

565
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 12: Well?

566
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you mean.

567
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: Some people that say like, oh, well he you know

568
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 5: she kissed him, You know, they were just.

569
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: To the episode himself, right, I think at the moment.

570
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: That she kissed him it was cheating. Well from that,

571
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 4: it's the reaction to it, right, Like he could have

572
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 4: just been like whoa, whoa, whoa, that's inappropriate, gone and

573
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: told Tapanga like stay up all night talking to this girl.

574
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 4: She kissed me. Wow, it went too far. What a mistake,

575
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: and then it's over. But the fact that he lies

576
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: and continues to the fact, you know that's the yeah.

577
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I do think that there is a version

578
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: of Corey being someone innocent until the moment post the kiss,

579
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 4: or at the moment of the kiss, because he could

580
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: just put his hands up and stop it yet or.

581
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: Couldn't do anything about it. He's irresistible to the ladies.

582
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Let's go to a lady in Australia. This is Sofia

583
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: Hi from Australia.

584
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Speaker 14: You guys, I just want to quickly start this by

585
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 14: saying that I started watching Boy Me as Well at

586
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 14: the age of forty one.

587
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: I am now forty three.

588
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 14: I have been the entire series about three or four

589
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 14: times over. Love Love, Love the show and the podcast

590
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 14: of course. Now, mister Panga, was it a trap? Hell No,

591
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 14: it wasn't a damn trap.

592
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: Please Okay.

593
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 14: There could have been one word that changed which I

594
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 14: felt was a little bit misleading, and it was when

595
00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 14: Tapanga says I couldn't be with someone. Had she had

596
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 14: said I cannot be with someone, that would have been

597
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 14: completely different. So I can see the misunderstanding with viewers.

598
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: Anyway, I love you guys.

599
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 14: Topanga was not wrongdition.

600
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: Another relationship ended by grammar.

601
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: The only one we got. That's not the only voice

602
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: number we got about could not, I cannot it came up.

603
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: It's a good call.

604
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a great call.

605
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: I guess you guys didn't know what her opinion was,

606
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: just so you remember it's this hell.

607
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't a damn trap.

608
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: That is not what Admiral Akbar says during the Return

609
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: of the Jedi. No, it's not a trap.

610
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's it's interesting to Yeah, but again that's

611
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 5: what life is is Again, had Topanga come in and

612
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 5: heard anything other.

613
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: Than I don't want us to see us together?

614
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: You know?

615
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: Like that shows how much words matter. One word here,

616
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: one word there, The entire thing is different. So yeah,

617
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 5: super interesting. Cannot and could not two different meanings.

618
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 15: Mm hmm. Yeah.

619
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Speaker 1: This year is Khalid from Egypt. He's got his own

620
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: opinions falling somewhere in the middle.

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Speaker 16: Hey, guys, I got a lot of thoughts, so I'm

622
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Speaker 16: going to try to get through as quickly as possible. Basically,

623
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Speaker 16: I don't think she set a trap. I think it's

624
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 16: more failure on the writer's parts to honor Japang as

625
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 16: a character. I agree completely that they threw her under

626
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 16: the bus with the and you listened line, But I

627
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 16: actually think it happened earlier, like her dialogue and that

628
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 16: whole scene is so vague and open to interpretation, and

629
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 16: I think a really terrible way, because as the show

630
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 16: goes on, the importance of their relationship becomes the focus

631
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 16: of the whole show to an almost psychotic degree. Frank,

632
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 16: you know, we accept how important it is to them,

633
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 16: and it becomes important to us. So it's such a

634
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 16: betrayal to have Topanga be so vague and not explicitly

635
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 16: say exactly what she means when the stakes are this high,

636
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 16: Like it's just not in character. She's normally very articulate.

637
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 16: And I think therein lies the sometimes tragic flaw of

638
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 16: this great show because it asks you to take these

639
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 16: characters seriously, requires you to pay attention, and then it

640
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 16: punishes you for doing so, like it flattens them, changes them,

641
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 16: you know, as a way to create melodrama. And I

642
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 16: think that's what happened in this episode. So it was

643
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 16: a bit of a trap setting up by Tapanga, but

644
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 16: by the writers.

645
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: I was really well put. Really the way the show

646
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: punishes you for taking this seriously by flattening. Oh my gosh,

647
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: it was really true, though.

648
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, I know.

649
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: Well, here's Shannon with her own thoughts as well.

650
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 17: Okay, my name is Shannon, and I fear that the

651
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 17: word trap is becoming more meaningless the longer this debate. Yeah,

652
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 17: in this context, as far as I'm concerned, is when

653
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 17: one person manufactures a situation to see how the other

654
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 17: person will react. If Tapanga had said me at Chubby's

655
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 17: and then arranged for Lauren to be there to see

656
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 17: what Corey did, that would be a trap. If she

657
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 17: had read the letter first to them, pretended she hadn't,

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Speaker 17: and asked Corey if he and Lauren kissed to see

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Speaker 17: if he would lie, that would be a trap. You

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Speaker 17: know who created this whole situation, Not to Panga, Corey.

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Speaker 17: This whole plotline was driven by choices he made. So

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Speaker 17: Tapanga is in a situation not of her own making,

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Speaker 17: trying to communicate her feelings and needs. Did she communicate

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Speaker 17: them exactly, perfectly and clearly? No, But she is also

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Speaker 17: seventeen years old. When I was seventeen, do you know

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Speaker 17: how I would break up with someone? I would literally

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Speaker 17: just stop talking to them, like on this memo.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's so true. No, I'm not big picture,

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Speaker 4: big picture. I mean Corey's pretty awful, right, I mean, like,

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Speaker 4: no think any of us are debating that it's not

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Speaker 4: like Topanga is a bat like in any way Topega's

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Speaker 4: actions are not equivalent to the crap, right, Like, there's

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Speaker 4: no equivalent in my mind. Yeah, it's it's just and

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Speaker 4: I do think that a trap probably is not a

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Speaker 4: great term. It's more like test right, It's like it's

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Speaker 4: more like just in a moment, and it's it's just

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Speaker 4: that the writers wanted to have it both ways. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: just they wanted to have it both ways. But I agree,

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Speaker 4: like in general, to Panga's pretty blameless and really really

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Speaker 4: should have gone with Ricky.

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Speaker 3: But somebody else, somebody Y could have been a great

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Speaker 3: little distraction. I would have loved to have seen t

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Speaker 3: Pega's been a summer in Paris.

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Speaker 1: Through Paris personally, someone who's never seen the show before,

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Speaker 1: do you think that people thought that maybe to Panga

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Speaker 1: would end up with Sean after the episode where she

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Speaker 1: takes care of him when he's sick with Sean, Yes.

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Speaker 4: No, because I think the whole point of that is, like,

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Speaker 4: can we be you thought you think that would have

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Speaker 4: been So I just feel like the show, it was

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Speaker 4: so locked into the show that there was.

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Speaker 1: Never once we get tasted it. I'm about me who

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Speaker 1: has who has not seen the rest of the show.

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Speaker 1: There was a part of me that watched that episode

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Speaker 1: and thought, are they setting them up? Because Dawson's Creek

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Speaker 1: We talked abou Dawson's Creek a lot, and and they

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Speaker 1: did that sort of like Pacey and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: like there was some friendship talked there in different obviously,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of shows.

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Speaker 3: I think we had done. I think Boy Meets World

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Speaker 3: had done so much work setting up the bromance between

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Speaker 3: Corey and Sean. The funny thing is Sean would never

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Speaker 3: cheat on Corey the way Corey cheats Ontoga. That's very

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Speaker 3: true that it would never happen.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I feel like like in actual storytelling, bro

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Speaker 4: code and you know, the homosocial love between Corey and

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Speaker 4: Sean is way stronger correct, way clearly, more clearly like

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Speaker 4: extrapolated and testiny relationship until basically now like now the

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Speaker 4: love and romance it's like part of Corey's maturation to

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Speaker 4: move from that. But in terms of like iron clad

711
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 4: friendship testing like we've seen their relationship come through it all. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and there's almost no doubt every time. At the end

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Speaker 4: of every episode with Corey and Shawn, you're like, well,

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Speaker 4: these two are the best things for each other possible.

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Speaker 18: Right.

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Speaker 5: It's also kind of amazing when you talk about our

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Speaker 5: writers though, because when you think about how little they

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Speaker 5: actually use Tapanga up until what halfway through season five,

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Speaker 5: and then in four or five episodes, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: she's now the core of the show. It's now all

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Speaker 5: Corey and Topanga. That switched really quick. Yeah, because we

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Speaker 5: went episode after episode going like, well.

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Speaker 4: Where the show are you?

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Speaker 2: Like, what the hell is going on? And now all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, boom, most important part of the show.

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Speaker 2: It happened like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Crazy, We're rounding now to the end. Here here's Leah.

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Speaker 1: She does believe it's a trap.

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Speaker 9: Hi, this is Lea from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: Love the Pod.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to try real hard to fit this under

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Speaker 9: one minute, because boy do I have a lot to say.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to tell in that for the they

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Speaker 9: are wrong about their character, but Danielle, you are wrong

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Speaker 9: about to Panga.

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Speaker 3: I may notes let me try to get through this.

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Speaker 4: It was a trap.

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Speaker 9: Corey cannot read minds. She knows he cannot read minds.

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Speaker 9: She said that if he's not one hundred percent sure,

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Speaker 9: then he should go and talk to Lauren. Now, if

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Speaker 9: she knew that she was going to break up with him,

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Speaker 9: if he talks to Lauren, she should have come out

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Speaker 9: and explicitly said that, and she did not do that.

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Speaker 9: So he goes to talk to Lauren and he becomes

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Speaker 9: one hundred percent shore and he tells Topanga he is

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Speaker 9: now one hundred percent short, but then she breaks up

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Speaker 9: with him.

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Speaker 3: That is a trap.

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Speaker 9: However, the only thing I would say in to Panga's

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Speaker 9: defense is that it would make sense if she broke

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Speaker 9: up with him, because Tapanga never said to date Lauren,

752
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Speaker 9: and he went on a date with Lauren.

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Speaker 3: He went the ball in her jacket.

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Speaker 4: It was a full blown.

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Speaker 9: Date that might be going to breaking up. I am done,

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Speaker 9: Thank you have a good one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually an easy fixed.

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Speaker 1: Gave us a couple of times. He glis right.

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Speaker 4: If the difference is to Panga expects him to just

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Speaker 4: sit at Chubby's and talk to her for a couple

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00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: of minutes, and instead it takes him a day and

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Speaker 4: a half and he goes on this whole that is

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Speaker 4: that is you know, And that's an easy thing that

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00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 4: she could have said in that final scene. It's like, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I thought you needed to like talk to her. I

766
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: didn't realize it to go on a date with her

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: and beat you or whatever and.

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Speaker 3: Talk about whether or not you want the same type

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Speaker 3: of house and how many kids you want to have.

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Speaker 1: Yea god, Well, let's wrap it up with Casey, who

771
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: gives us a good feeling that you know, maybe it's

772
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily that important to figure out if it is

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Speaker 1: or not.

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Speaker 18: Hey guys, my name is Casey. I love the pod,

775
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 18: but not as much as I loved Writer when I

776
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 18: was in elementary school.

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Speaker 6: But that's another story.

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Speaker 18: So I actually don't think it matters if Topanga said

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00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 18: a trap or not. Regardless of what her intention was

780
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 18: when she told Corey to explore his feelings, she's allowed

781
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 18: to sit on it and reflect and decide that she's

782
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 18: been too hurt and it's over. Let's not forget that

783
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 18: this isn't the first time Corey has done something like this.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, let's shoot, it's another good take.

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00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: You're right, doesn't matter. I can change my mind, but

786
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: it is for me, the big, the big moment that

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00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: sucks is and you.

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Speaker 5: I was just about to say, those three words changed

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Speaker 5: the entire thing.

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00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: And it's those three words.

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00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: Because the point of those words is that that the end,

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00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 4: that it's a tragedy that Corey has walked into.

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Speaker 3: How dare you take my bait?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I handed you this knife and you and told

797
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 5: you to plunge it in your heart and you did.

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00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: And you did it and yeah, I know, but it

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00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: was but it's so so soap opera.

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Speaker 2: No, no, you do this shit happened.

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Speaker 1: We have some of the smartest and most thoughtful listeners

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Speaker 1: we did oh yeah, all the I picked some of

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Speaker 1: the best ones, but really literally all the clips felt

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Speaker 1: like it had that much research involved and that much

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Speaker 1: actual feelings. And so we appreciate you guys sending in

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Speaker 1: your voice memos and we will continue to do this

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Speaker 1: when there's sort of big topics that we want to tackle.

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, hot button issues. Yes, Well, thank you all

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Speaker 3: for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 3: As always, you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets

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Speaker 2: Trap or it's not a trap, or just blow up

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Speaker 2: the dusk.

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Speaker 4: POD dismissed.

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Speaker 3: Hell No, it wasn't a damn trap.

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Speaker 18: Please.

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