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Speaker 1: Hey, what up.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: I'm Don Gottlieb. This is All Ball we are.

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Speaker 2: We're in the midst of brewing up quite a series

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Speaker 2: of all balls for you in the meantime. I just

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Speaker 2: you know, college football is kicked off, and as you

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Speaker 2: know if you listen to this podcast, it's about people's stories, right,

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Speaker 2: all of our stories that brought us into sports that

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Speaker 2: allows us to make money without doing real people work, right.

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Speaker 2: And Josh Pat's one of those guys. He is super talented,

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Speaker 2: has his own show. You can see him on I

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Speaker 2: think CBS Sports HQ now as well as downloaded his podcast,

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Speaker 2: And I just I love the fact that this is

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Speaker 2: a guy who's made a career out of himself and

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Speaker 2: I just want to know more about him.

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Speaker 1: Like how'd you come to be where?

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Speaker 2: Like I actually seek out his college football opinions, especially

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Speaker 2: on the SEC, because it's really balanced, like he really

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Speaker 2: knows rosters, coaching staffs, styles, interesting. It's not the fanboy

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Speaker 2: shit you see elsewhere. It's really really interesting, high quality,

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Speaker 2: high level college football sports talk. And if he says

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Speaker 2: somebody stinks, they stink, and here's why not just because hey,

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Speaker 2: they lost the game, so they must.

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Speaker 1: Be idiots sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: So, without further review, let's bring in Josh Pate. Of course,

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Speaker 2: if you don't know of him, follow on social media

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Speaker 2: download his podcasts really really good. We had a long

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Speaker 2: discussion about his rise, most importantly how he became well him.

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Speaker 2: So I think my first question is how did you

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Speaker 2: become you?

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Speaker 3: I appreciate Dana Trish Peig got to give them a

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Speaker 3: shout out for hooking up back in the eighties.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I think I think it's a really.

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Speaker 1: Shout out.

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Speaker 3: It's a to me, it's a I think it's actually

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Speaker 3: a useful story for a lot of folks who were

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Speaker 3: like early twenties at any given point. So when I

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Speaker 3: was in my early twenties, I didn't grow up poor.

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Speaker 3: I grew up a lot closer to.

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Speaker 4: Poor than rich.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't grow up poor. So I didn't grow

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Speaker 3: up you know, like back against the wall. I got

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Speaker 2: Like, listen, you'd be the first person ever have you

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Speaker 1: Ever gone like, yeah, I grew up Athelon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I silver spoon like it was right here in

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Speaker 4: my mouth the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I was poor. You were poor. I was poor.

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Speaker 1: We were meeting that would fall out of your your ass,

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Speaker 1: like what you see this back.

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Speaker 4: It's been against the wall my whole life.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't like that Lebron.

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Speaker 2: Like Lebron like, I'm not supposed to be here, Like, dude,

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Speaker 2: you're six nine six somewhere else you're supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: So in my early twenties, I realized I was not

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Speaker 3: six ' nine. I was not built like a freight train.

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Speaker 3: So I probably wouldn't make it in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Way down back you high school?

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Speaker 3: Where high school in Harris County, Georgia? So like West Central, Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Okay, West Central doesn't really help me. Like where does

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Speaker 2: it relates to Atlanta?

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Speaker 4: So here's the Chattahouchi River.

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Speaker 3: It's about an hour fifteen south of Atlanta, right on

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Speaker 1: With Alabama on the on the Bama line.

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Speaker 4: Huh yeah, like right there.

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Speaker 1: What year would did you graduate high school?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Four?

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Speaker 1: God, damn, you're young. Oh my god, you.

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Speaker 4: Hear that, Colin Young. You know that. I'm just talking

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Speaker 4: to the production team.

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Speaker 1: So, but what year was Tibo.

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Speaker 4: Tebo was around that, he was like five, maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: Here's what I remember, Okay, is Tebow wanted to go

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Speaker 2: to Alabama, he had some he liked Mike Shula, and

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Speaker 2: like it's one of the craziest the two things that

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually there's three, right, Mike Price doesn't get

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Speaker 2: before that, like Mike Shula lands Tim Tebow, Mike Shula

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Speaker 2: Rod of course turned out down the job. Like those

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Speaker 2: three things had to happen, and then Nick Saban had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the other part of that is, so let's

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Speaker 3: jumping back into college football. Is he jump into like

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Speaker 3: Georgia Tennessee. Yeah, Tennessee would have been great. It's a

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you're in West Central Georgia, played.

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Speaker 3: Football, played football in middle school, high school. What suck

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't screwing.

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Speaker 3: It was that time where they started to preach specialization

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Speaker 4: Probably was. So went that route. Ended up not playing high.

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Speaker 4: But I wasn't going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I have minor scholarship offers, didn't want to

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Speaker 1: So where'd you go to college?

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Speaker 3: Went to college at beautiful Columbus State University Downe in Columbus, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: So this is this is the era where the Hope

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Speaker 4: So I did that, But so.

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Speaker 1: How does it work?

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Speaker 2: Because I know Hope scholarship only in that My producer

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Speaker 2: who's now program director in San Diego, and he said

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Speaker 4: That's it doing well?

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Speaker 3: As far as I remember, all it is is you

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Speaker 3: The problem is problem is like some of us were

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Speaker 3: So I go and like I pissed that away. In

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Speaker 4: I just wouldn't have had a really good answer.

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Speaker 1: So do people know who they are at eighteen or nineteen?

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Speaker 4: That was not your boy here. That was not me

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's weird because if I would say I

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Speaker 1: And now all thrue.

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Speaker 2: But but I don't think saying you want to do

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Speaker 2: That was that was really my plan there? Like what

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Speaker 3: contract expire and then I ended up working ten ninety

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Speaker 3: nine for them. But in exchange for being an independent contractor,

443
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Speaker 3: I said, you're going to pay me a lot less.

444
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Speaker 4: That's fine.

445
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Speaker 3: Can you give me this studio three nights a week

446
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Speaker 3: and let me do my own show on my own

447
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Speaker 3: YouTube channel.

448
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 4: And so we built it. We ended up producing it ourselves.

449
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Speaker 3: It emanated out of a local television studio which looked

450
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Speaker 3: better than anything anyone was doing on YouTube, and it

451
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Speaker 3: took about two years. And Shannon Terry, who ran twenty

452
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Speaker 3: four seven Sports at the time, which had been purchased

453
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Speaker 3: by CBS, calls me and says, I've got a studio here.

454
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Speaker 3: You're doing stuff that we're not doing. Do you want

455
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 3: to come here? And so in twenty twenty, came up here.

456
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: COVID sets in immediately, so me and my director are

457
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: the only people allowed in the building, and we ended

458
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Speaker 3: up doing it, and it scaled immediately because we talked

459
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Speaker 3: about nothing but college football in a time where everyone

460
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Speaker 3: else delved into politics and became an infectious disease expert.

461
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Speaker 3: So it's taken off and scaled ever since.

462
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Speaker 2: Man, awesome, it's really cool. So genuine Americans story. Okay,

463
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 2: let's talk college football. So you grew up in Georgia

464
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Speaker 2: and I've followed a lot of your travels in the offseason.

465
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Speaker 2: It does feel like a couple of things one and

466
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Speaker 2: This is what I love is you have a genuine

467
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Speaker 2: joy for kind of the newness of your stardom, if

468
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: you will. Right, Like, like, there's a lot of people

469
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Speaker 2: in this in this business who they've been doing it

470
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Speaker 2: too long.

471
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Speaker 1: It's not they.

472
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Speaker 2: Still love the sport, but all the other parts to it,

473
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Speaker 2: they're like, yeah.

474
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Speaker 1: Been there, I've done that or whatever.

475
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Speaker 2: For you, it does feel like there's a genuine joy.

476
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Speaker 2: There's also a part to it where it's like it's

477
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Speaker 2: like you've been in the Truman Show in the South

478
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Speaker 2: your whole life, and you're like, holy shit, there's a whole.

479
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Speaker 1: World out there. Now. They don't always take it as

480
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Speaker 1: seriously as the South does, but there is. There's a

481
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Speaker 1: bunch of different ways.

482
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Speaker 2: To do it, right Like, if you go to a

483
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: USC game, you're like, this is so different than the SEC.

484
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Speaker 1: There's still the same level of passion.

485
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Speaker 2: It's just different. I can't really explain it anyway. Do

486
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Speaker 2: you feel like, do you notice that? I mean again,

487
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Speaker 2: I'm not trying in any way to be critical. It's

488
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Speaker 2: just the reality of you know, like about I don't know,

489
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: six years ago, I did this touring road show, so

490
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Speaker 2: I got to go and see enter Sandman. I got

491
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Speaker 2: to go see you know, the seminole stick, the spear

492
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Speaker 2: in the ground.

493
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Speaker 4: Like I was like, holy shit, all.

494
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Speaker 2: These things, Clemson touching Howard's rock running down the hill

495
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Speaker 2: like stuff, and like, look, I'd covered it for years

496
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Speaker 2: at ESPN, But at ESPN, unless you're you know, remote,

497
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Speaker 2: you don't get to go to.

498
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Speaker 1: All this stuff, right, So it was really really.

499
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Speaker 2: Cool, and I felt sort of reinvigorating what I was

500
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Speaker 2: doing because as much as I've done now for over

501
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Speaker 2: twenty years, doing new shit always makes it fun. That

502
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Speaker 2: is that Has that been your experience? Because this summer,

503
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Speaker 2: I know you fell in love with Oklahoma. You did

504
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Speaker 2: a big Nebraska trip. Where else did you go to

505
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Speaker 2: the summer?

506
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Speaker 4: Man?

507
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Speaker 3: We went fifteen different places, a lot of places I

508
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: had already been. But doing it spring is like the

509
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Speaker 3: most underrated time to be doing that. The staffs are loose,

510
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: the facilities are wide open.

511
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Speaker 1: Kids get out of there, and they don't for you.

512
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Speaker 2: They don't have any bad blood with you, right right, So,

513
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: and like spring, guys let their guards down to let

514
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Speaker 2: you in like you came to them too. That's the

515
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Speaker 2: whole key with coaches. But if it's like in a

516
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Speaker 2: neutral environment or.

517
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Speaker 6: On your turf. They're they're they're going politician on you. Yeah,

518
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Speaker 6: that's why the fifteen place where'd you go? Yeah, like

519
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Speaker 6: media is nothing where we go. So I'm gonna close

520
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Speaker 6: my eyes for a second and try and vision the mat.

521
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Speaker 6: We went to Kansas State and Missouri, Iowa State, then Auburn, Alabama,

522
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Speaker 6: Mississippi State, then Florida, USC Miami. We went to Ohio State, Tennessee.

523
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Speaker 6: We did South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia Tech. There's some

524
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Speaker 6: I'm missing, but Texas we did, Like those are the

525
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 6: ones that we knocked out this spring, and then a

526
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Speaker 6: few of them we wanted to get to, like Oregon.

527
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Speaker 6: Couldn't make the dates line up, But I mean we've

528
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Speaker 6: been to Oregon before. But going back to what you

529
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Speaker 6: just said, so both of what you both things you

530
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Speaker 6: said are absolutely on the money.

531
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Speaker 3: Like I'm a kid growing up in the South. To me,

532
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Speaker 3: Eugene Oregon is Russia.

533
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Speaker 4: I will never go there. It's it's like another planet.

534
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Speaker 3: I used to watch these games and it sounds like

535
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about a kid in the seventies. No, I'm

536
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: a kid in the two thousands watching a game at

537
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: the Coliseum in southern cal I'll never be out there,

538
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Speaker 3: like I'll never be in Blacksburg, Virginia.

539
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Speaker 4: That's just that's so far away. How would I ever

540
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Speaker 4: end up there?

541
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Speaker 3: And so not only to be there, but to be

542
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Speaker 3: paid to be there, like to have sideline access to

543
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Speaker 3: all these games you will, I don't care if I

544
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: do this one hundred years. That stuff never gets old.

545
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: But the other thing you said is even more true.

546
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Speaker 3: This was the biggest wake up call for me. It's

547
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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. I can finally get credentialed through like the

548
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: local news station there to go to games, and I

549
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: will never forget this.

550
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Speaker 4: Man.

551
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Speaker 3: We went to one of those like neutral site openers.

552
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: It was West Virginia versus Alabama in Atlanta, and so

553
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: I walk in a working press box for the first time,

554
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Speaker 3: like I am around the people I grew up reading

555
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Speaker 3: or listening.

556
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Speaker 4: To her watching for the first time. It was the

557
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Speaker 4: most underwhelming experience of my life.

558
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: Was so underwhelming that I realized these people don't love

559
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Speaker 3: Like a lot of these folks don't love this. They

560
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Speaker 3: look like they were at work, like they were at

561
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Speaker 3: a job.

562
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Speaker 2: It becomes I think a lot of times, it becomes

563
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Speaker 2: a job to people, you know, and you're just like, yeah,

564
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Speaker 2: and I you know, I never wanted to become a

565
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Speaker 2: job So all right, where'd the white T shirt thing

566
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Speaker 2: come from?

567
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: So I just had a little back and forth with

568
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Speaker 3: a former news director when we first started doing that

569
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Speaker 3: local show. You know, I'm on their air, I'm on

570
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 3: their dime, and so there's just this big back and

571
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Speaker 3: forth one day because I've always been of the opinion

572
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: that I understand why people have to dress like bankers.

573
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 3: If you're on national television and you're in a major studio,

574
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: I get it. I've always thought it's one of the

575
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: dumbest concepts in the world because we are we're talking

576
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 3: about sports. You're like, you're wearing a backwards hat right now.

577
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a white T shirt right now, which is

578
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: what we would wear if we went to lunch. The

579
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: conversations we're having at the end of the day is

580
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: just the stuff dudes talk about when they go eat barbecue.

581
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: Anyway, So.

582
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Speaker 3: Why would the show, why would the texture of a

583
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 3: show an aesthetic feel any different to me? Well, I

584
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: knew nothing, he knew everything, and he was the boss.

585
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: So I threw on the jacket or the blazer every night.

586
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 3: But I told folks then I said, man, if I

587
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 3: ever like, if we can just make it, if we

588
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: can call our shots, I will so emphatically go the

589
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: other way. And so I've worn this white T shirt

590
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: every day since we've done this show nationally.

591
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: Just to prove the point that no one cares what

592
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 4: you're wearing. They care about the content.

593
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Speaker 1: That's it. Nobody gets it. By the way, how many

594
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: of these white tea shirts do you want?

595
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: This is now that's a key that's a key question.

596
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, sir, because a lot of folks think one.

597
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: No, I buy them in no chance, Yeah, I buy

598
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: him in balk about like fifteen of them.

599
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 2: And so we'll just we'll just roll for the high.

600
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: They're not even high dollar. They're not even high dollar.

601
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: But but what I think is, I think a certain

602
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: company out there is missing the most golden marketing opportunity

603
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: to agree, and so I refuse to utter that company's

604
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: name on the air until they pay for it.

605
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that.

606
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: This is kind of a personal question, but I'm gonna

607
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: ask because it actually is near and dear to my heart.

608
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: When did you decide to let it go when it's

609
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: the old uh pirate before it.

610
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: Quits on you type type of deal.

611
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: A long time ago, I shaved my head, like my

612
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 3: junior year of high school, I shaved my head. I

613
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: just never grew my hair back out and then nature

614
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: did what it does.

615
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 4: But I mean, like I would have this anyway.

616
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Speaker 3: I can't explain to you strong enough terms how much

617
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: I love having a zero dollar per year haircare budget

618
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 3: that is unbelievable to me and being able to dry

619
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: your hair in two nanoseconds. Just go like that and

620
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 3: you're good. That's an unbelievable benefit in life.

621
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Speaker 2: What I don't understand is like, look, I had a

622
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: good head of hair. I had, we had a good

623
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: probably forty year run together, right, And what I don't

624
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: understand is, and I guess I do understand that everybody

625
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: hates everything, But it's like, if I post something about

626
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: a sports take you don't like, did you really have

627
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: to point out the fact that beside the power alleys

628
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: are getting deeper?

629
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Speaker 4: Like well that hairline?

630
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: What were you talking about? Bro?

631
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: Yeah?

632
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: Well, like I.

633
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: Do, I have a fucking mirror here right, Like it's

634
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: nothing I did, uh, or at least there's nothing that

635
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: could prove it's something I did. Yeah, that that that part.

636
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: Tim Hasselback used to tell me all the time. He's

637
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: just like I got a fire up for quit sign.

638
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: You know when that moment is firef quits on me.

639
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: Okay, are you the dabbo thing? Okay?

640
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: So I think people are looking at this all wrong.

641
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: I think having a high reciptus rate and barely playing

642
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: the portal, I think that's the way to do it.

643
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: I think their problem is threefold.

644
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: One. Their offense sucks yep.

645
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 2: And I thought it sucked when they had Trevor Lawrence

646
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: beyonest Like, I thought they got away with it because

647
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: they had studs and Trevor Lawrence just makes shit happen

648
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: and he could just throw it up to him, or

649
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: they could hand it off to Clyde Edwards Layer or whatever.

650
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: They just had better players. It was a lack of creativity.

651
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: And I and on that level, I do it's a

652
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: little bit like Duke for a long time with Coach

653
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: k Like they didn't run anything special.

654
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: They were just better than you.

655
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: Right, So when you're not just better than people, you

656
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: have to be more creative and people adjust. So I

657
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: think part of it is. They haven't been created. Secondly,

658
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Cole's just not what they thought.

659
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: He would be.

660
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Speaker 2: And and this is a parallel to Florida State, And

661
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: it's a parallel for me and coaching basketball, Like, look,

662
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: if you don't have a good point guard, you're gonna

663
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: look like a shitty coach.

664
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: You just are. If you don't have a good quarterback,

665
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna look like a bad coach. That's just the

666
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: reality to it.

667
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: And then the last part is, uh, it does feel

668
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: like I can't tell and you being as close as

669
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: you are to it. And for people who don't know,

670
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: like again, this is I didn't know this until I

671
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: went to Clemson. I would guess if you pulled ninety

672
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: five percent of college football fans and you said where

673
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: is Clemson, they'd be like, I think it's in South Carolina,

674
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: abur just like correct. No one know, like honestly, I

675
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: except until my close friend and form producer was a

676
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: Georgia lump. I didn't know that Auburn and Georgia was

677
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: the south oldest rivalry.

678
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: I had no fucking idea none.

679
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: I was like, well, Georgia plays like everybody's their rival, right,

680
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: And I thought Georgia Tech was their big round Like, no, No,

681
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: Auburn is like what I thought, that's Alabama, it's the

682
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: terrible Nope, they're both all rivals anyway. Then there is

683
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: a he did He's always been, you know, really preachy,

684
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: but he got a little too preachy. And then the

685
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: last part is, and maybe I'll add this on, is

686
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: like my guess is at Clemson they took care of

687
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: people for a long time. You know, maybe not the

688
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: blatant cheating that has happened someplaces, but they took care

689
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: of people a lot of time.

690
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: And now that doesn't do you any good.

691
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: Right right now, you can just.

692
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Buy dudes by dudes. Okay, So tell me where I'm wrong,

693
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: tell me where I'm right, give me your dabbos. Sweeney thoughts.

694
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: No, your first point there is the most underrealized point.

695
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: Everyone knows that he's resistant to the portal, and everyone

696
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: has their thought on it, Like I'm a believer. The

697
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: Georgia way of doing it is the best way, which

698
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: is building nucleus through high school recruiting, never bend on that,

699
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: and then supplement via the portal. If there are a

700
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: couple of little holes you need to fill. But you're

701
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: bil ninety percent of guys who chose Georgia out of

702
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: high school and you developed them in there, ingrained in

703
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: your culture.

704
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: Okay. The second thing is the thing you said about their.

705
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: Offense is not realized, but it's dead on the money accurate.

706
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: They had studs because they were able to do what

707
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: you just talked about in the mid twenty teens, and

708
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: they attracted elite talent and they were good enough to

709
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: where scheme didn't matter so much.

710
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: They just out Jimmy and Joju.

711
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: That reinforced in their mind that it was doing it

712
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: the right way, and in Dabbel's mind, he's doing it

713
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: the right way, so it makes him less likely to

714
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: evolve down the road when he doesn't have the talent

715
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: edge that he once had. And the portal comes along,

716
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: so a new talent acquisition mechanism is introduced into the sport,

717
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: and FSU starts using it, and Miami starts using it,

718
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: and Bama and Georgia star. Well, you're not going to

719
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: use it because you've got defined values and principles you

720
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: believe in, which I got no problem with. As long

721
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: as you're cool with the consequence, I got no problem

722
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: with it. But what happened was he was also stubborn

723
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: in other areas. To this day, he is very stubborn

724
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: and prideful in other areas. I got respect for what

725
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: he did in the mid twenty teens, but he's also

726
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: imprisoned mentally by what he did in the twenty teens

727
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: because that Garrett Riley higher an offensive coordinator raised a

728
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: lot of eyebrows, but behind the scenes it was not

729
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: viewed as a game changer of a hire. And they're

730
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: still very average on their staff. Their support staff is

731
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: very average. I got everyone of them graded over here.

732
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: They're very average there. And it's just I'm not saying

733
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: they're lazy, and I'm not saying they think that Tiger

734
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: Paul is going to go win for them. They think

735
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: what that Tiger Paul was built on ten years ago

736
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 3: is going to go win for him, and it's not.

737
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Everyone else is evolved, the best of the best evolved,

738
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: and they simply haven't. And if they're okay being a

739
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: pretty good program, they'll be fine. One of the most

740
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: pathetic things that I heard the other day when Georgia

741
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: rolled them was well, Georgia does that to a lot

742
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: of teams, which is exactly what they said about Clemson

743
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: five years ago. Clemson was the one pants and folks

744
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: five ten years ago, and now you're saying that about Clemson.

745
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: So Georgia does that to a lot of teams.

746
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: Well, if you're okay be in a lot of teams

747
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: and not being former Clemson, then that's fine. If you're not,

748
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: you will have to make changes there. But Dabo's never

749
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: gonna that program's never going to erode to the point

750
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: where it's fireable. They'll just float in that nether world

751
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: indefinitely of eight nine win on average, And like, I

752
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: don't know how that ends.

753
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting there because you know, Graham Neft

754
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: took over and young Ad spent time at Georgia Tech,

755
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: and like, like I love Graham.

756
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: Ay, no way he can fire Dabo, right.

757
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 4: You just can't.

758
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: Whereas Brad Brownell on the basketball side was something that

759
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: everybody wanted to fire and he did a great job

760
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: of the portal older team and like that thing again,

761
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: it's all contextual and relative. But considering nobody gives a

762
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: shit about Clemson basketball, they've done a hell of a

763
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: job there, evolving kind of with the times. Even though

764
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: Brad is probably at least ten years older than than Dabbo. Okay,

765
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: what about Florida. Florida has been this Rubik's cube, which

766
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: two guys really figured out there's been other seasons here,

767
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: seasons there, and I get it's only one game and

768
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: they freak out. But like we're like three coaches into

769
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: this ship being a complete mess. What what has happened

770
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: to Florida football?

771
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: Bad hires? And maybe they made another one? Loved Billion

772
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: Napier to death, but.

773
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: I thought Billion Napier was the ship at at Louisiana.

774
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: But he was what he was.

775
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: It's just by the way, do you call him Louisiana

776
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: or do you call him Lafayette? Like they've they've wanted

777
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 2: to be my first game working at ESPN full time,

778
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: I did, or I had my first one I had

779
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: a basketball schedule was Louisiana Lafayette against I think Colorado

780
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: or UNC. Charlotte's a four team dealer Charlotte. Anyway, they

781
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: kept trying to tell us call us Louisiana. Was like,

782
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: you're Louisiana. It's twenty years later they kind of are, Okay,

783
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: one do you call him Louisiana or Lucian Lafyette and

784
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: then two did does Billionnapiers suck all of a sudden,

785
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: like what they'll happen?

786
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: I've still got the Lafayette in the back of my mind,

787
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: so I'm not going anywhere.

788
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: I don't think he sucks.

789
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: I just think there's the level, the level of achievement

790
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: in the post Nick Saban era has been raised. Like

791
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: I call it the freeze point. It does not matter

792
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: whether you get water down to forty degrees.

793
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: You mean the Urban may Era, I mean Urban Mayra.

794
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean no, no, no, no, I'm not talking about Florida.

795
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: I'm talking about in the SEC in general. You can

796
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: include urban Meyer there, but you can include Sabin. What

797
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: Sabin did in a prolonged run. He ran urban Meyer

798
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: out of the SEC in the process, the prolonged run

799
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: he had, and then Kirby's born from that, Like the

800
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: level of overall operation in that conference is just different

801
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: than pre when Sabin came back, and so it's redefined

802
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: things for everyone. And so number one, anytime you've been

803
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: in the Sabin program, you're supposed to just be able

804
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: to create that cause Kirby did it ignoring the fact

805
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: that seventeen other dudes have failed trying to duplicate it.

806
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: But then number two, like, he goes to Louisiana Lafayette,

807
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: which is what I call it, and he wins. And

808
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 3: so there are some people out there who believe will

809
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 3: the same things win everywhere. In some ways that's true,

810
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: in other ways that's not. There is a different modus

811
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: operandi Florida than there is at Louisiana. And then he

812
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: comes there at the worst possible time because he comes there,

813
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: and he comes there as the sport's changing, so like

814
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 3: everything that he's learned up until that point operationally changes

815
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: the way you acquire talent then you can pay them

816
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: all of a sudden legally it's changed. So like a

817
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: new coach in the last five years walking into a

818
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: job I think has had a bigger learning curve than

819
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: at any point in the history of the sport, just

820
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: cause the sport changed more in the past three to

821
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 3: five years.

822
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's also it's also and I'll give you just

823
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: I'll give you my perspective on the other side.

824
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: And granted, and I don't pretend to be the head coaching.

825
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: Yes, you see in football, but right, I would say,

826
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: and this was kind of my working line. Why I

827
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: did think and I do think it'll work, is I

828
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: coach AAU basketball. That's what this mirrors, you know, it

829
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: really does that. Fuck you don't know in AAU basketball

830
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: you're sending out text making sure you got five or six,

831
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: and then they'll show up and you're like, are you

832
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: playing for us for the other team today?

833
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: Right?

834
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Like transfer portal is all they're about in AU basketball.

835
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: So the first thing is you if you were in

836
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: college football, college athletics for twenty five years doing it

837
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: one way, and then all of a sudden there's this

838
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: ground swell, this ground shift, especially if you're a dude

839
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: who's like believed in doing it the right way, right,

840
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: believe in doing it the right way. Now all of

841
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: a sudden it it feels feels weird, can feel a

842
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: little dirty too, and you don't know how it works.

843
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: And then if you go from now, I'm willing to

844
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: believe at Louisiana Lafayette like they took care of their

845
00:38:54,200 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: dudes as this came to be, but it's just so overwhelming.

846
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Has to be like even for me, you know, I

847
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: have to.

848
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: Manage relationships with all these donors collective. You know, you

849
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: have to have people who take care of the collective contracts,

850
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: who makes their appearances when they make their appearances, Like,

851
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to it than people that people

852
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: don't understand. And I can only imagine with like you

853
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: go from Louisiana, which is like you call the shots, you.

854
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: Run the stuff.

855
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: It's not that hard, and then you're like, holy shit,

856
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: this is a whole different thing. And then you also

857
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: like the honestly the hardest part is the character aspect

858
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: of recruiting, which is you want to say character over talent,

859
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: character over talent, character over town. But then you watch

860
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 2: like you like, damn, that guy's really good, like yeah, coach,

861
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: but he's got a felony, Like was it a violent

862
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: felony or non violent peony? And can we wipe that

863
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: thing clean? And you know, like all right, so we

864
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: can't vote, big deal, right, Like you have to make

865
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: these decisions on a player here or there, and it

866
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: can affect the entire locker room.

867
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: And then the big one is like, hey, if you

868
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: can't figure out quarterback, year's rude.

869
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: You know you just are, but it is interesting and

870
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: you know, fully stepping aside obviously that changes things as well.

871
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: You get new ad and he was a stud. I

872
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: just think it's amazing that Georgia was really good.

873
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: For a long time and those of us who were

874
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 2: covering it and year covering it and coming up through

875
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: college as well, where you were like Mark Rick just

876
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: can't get over the hump, not a killer or whatever.

877
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: Right, And then LSU.

878
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: Started winning with Saban and kept winning the less miles

879
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 2: and finally George was like, fuck it, let's just rip

880
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: the band aid and let's go forth with Kirby.

881
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: And it worked.

882
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: Whereas you know, Florida had been, you know, a spurrier

883
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: and then Urban they've been dominating that league and they

884
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: had gotten over the hump several times and now all

885
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Georgia just boat raised him when the

886
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 2: East was as down as it's ever been.

887
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right, that's.

888
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: Why Missouri went twice to the SEC title. They had

889
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: that soft schedule and they played in the East and

890
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: so it was like a kind of like a cakewalk.

891
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: And like Florida hasn't been able to get up to

892
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: the matt and Tennessee finally has.

893
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

894
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: Let me let me tell you this though about that

895
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 3: Florida job. So because of that success they had. They

896
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: kind of had some of that Dabo stuff happened institutionally

897
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: at Florida where they thought, we're Florida will be good enough,

898
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: and they fell behind.

899
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: They fell behind. They have caught back up.

900
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: So the external stuff, the facility stuff, they are so

901
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: night and day different than they were five years ago.

902
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if it works when Napier, I'm telling you,

903
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: if it doesn't work with him, whoever gets that job

904
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: next is getting like Florida the way Florida should be.

905
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: And I'm not necessarily sure. When Billy walked in that

906
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: he had inherited that they were a mess in il wise,

907
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: they took a little while to figure themselves out. They've

908
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: got that thing figured out now. They've got the facility

909
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: pieces and whatnot figured out now. So if it doesn't

910
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: work for him, they don't have a half bad roster either,

911
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 3: So the entry point for the next guy will be

912
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 3: pretty turnkey and ready to win.

913
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: How do you maintain.

914
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: You're you're not af shucks, but you're just kind of

915
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: you're like exactly what your story says you are. How

916
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: do you maintain that now as you grow in success

917
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: and in recognizability.

918
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: Staying intimately in tune with the audience, like staying staying

919
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: as your audience is, instead of.

920
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: How do you do that being with them every day?

921
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: Like like the way you travel, where you go work out,

922
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: not wearing earbuds at the gym, something as simple as that.

923
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: I first off, you don't know it, you want it,

924
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: you don't need it, you rudge, you don't.

925
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: You can be talking to Steve over there at the

926
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 4: curl rack. You could be getting to know somebody. He sucks,

927
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 4: but you could get.

928
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: To know him. No, it's true. It's true.

929
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: When we go on the road, just making sure you

930
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 4: got to you gotta be immergen.

931
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: You gotta sit in the stands. I mean bad.

932
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: I got a bad habit of getting in the into

933
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: the boxes and the box now what the real people are.

934
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: I know it's tough to turn down.

935
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: Look I've taken the invited time or two as well,

936
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: but in a very general.

937
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: Sense intoxicating yes, as long as you is.

938
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: Like.

939
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: Look, the other thing I do is I openly just

940
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: make fun of our managerial folks on the show in

941
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: a way that they they kind of understand is just

942
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 3: playing ball on their part. Sure, but but I look

943
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: it sucked the years that were between me graduating high

944
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: school and me ever I mean it took me until, yeah,

945
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: until my mid thirties to ever make north of thirty

946
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars. That part right there was not fun.

947
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: But I do think it equips you, maybe for life

948
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: in appreciating.

949
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: What this is.

950
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: Is this right here is you're talking about working for

951
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: a major media entity and then giving you creative and

952
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: now we own the assets in the latest negotiation, like

953
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: I took control of the assets of the show and

954
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: the podcast feed, but still being able to be licensed

955
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: through CBS, and so you get all the perks of that,

956
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: but you maintained the individuality. I don't know of anybody

957
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: else in my space that has that, in that good.

958
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: Of sweet spot. I don't know of anyone else that

959
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: has that.

960
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know how you don't maintain that, and

961
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how you don't appreciate it.

962
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: I think I'll give you.

963
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, Okay, and it's a real

964
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: example of somebody who I consider a friend. But I

965
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: think some of how he treated people in College's head

966
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: Coach was a reflection of the getting shipped on for

967
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: a long time when he was a college student early on,

968
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: Charlie Weiss is actually a fucking good dude, right, Like

969
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: Charlie's a good dude. I've hung out with Charlie. He

970
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 2: loves talking football. His wife is big into horses, my

971
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: daughter rides horses, whatever. So but Charlie White's like he'll

972
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: talk football or hours. But when he was at Notre

973
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: Dame and then of course when he was at Kansas,

974
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: there's you know, when he was a Notre Dame, he

975
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: was just like a regular student there, and I think

976
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: people treat him like shit, and you know, like football

977
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: players got tre you great, college coaches got trial you great.

978
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: But he was like a non athlete, like he was

979
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: just a guy. And I think some of that caused

980
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: him to lash out at some people, you know, and

981
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: all it takes is you'd lash out at one person

982
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: and now, especially just like anything else, that goes kind

983
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: of viral. So I think that people react to tough

984
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: times differently, and some people process them as negative things

985
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: and their revenge is not just going to be success,

986
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: but also pointing out their success to others.

987
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: Some people are like you, where.

988
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: They take it and they understand how tough it was,

989
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: and that that's most people's lot in life, and they

990
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: use it as just a constant motivator and wake up

991
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: with great gratitude. And I just I don't think that's

992
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: that's a lot of people. Just people are generally they

993
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: have a level of unhappiness to them. That's maybe what

994
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: drives them and makes them successful, but doesn't make them

995
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: as pleasant to be around.

996
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: Okay, a couple quick ones. I know you got to go.

997
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: You got a whole crew there, and I appreciate it.

998
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: Give me the three places you most want to go

999
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: this offseason that you haven't been.

1000
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: Oklahoma. Never been there.

1001
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: I've storm chased in Oklahoma several times. I've never been

1002
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: to a.

1003
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: Game at Oklahoma. Like, that's the number one for me.

1004
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to go still Water?

1005
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, sore.

1006
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: There's a day this year, it's like three weeks from now.

1007
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the schedule, So Tennessee plays Oklahoma that night,

1008
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: Utah plays in Stillwater and it may be early enough

1009
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 3: in the day where I can pull off the two

1010
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: for one because those that was one of the three

1011
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: that I was gonna mention.

1012
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's so fascinating one because I.

1013
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: Will be hotly honest, okay you it will be massively

1014
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: I think underwhelmed, especially by Oklahoma State in terms of

1015
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: the tailgating is way better than it's ever been and

1016
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: the atmosphere is awesome compared to what it's ever been.

1017
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: It's just so different than the SEC, so different, and

1018
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: Oklahoma is like they're they're almost there, They're not quite

1019
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: SEC level of passion. It's just not the same. They're close,

1020
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: but they're not there. It's really weird, like Oklahoma State

1021
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: has done. The game day atmosphere has changed dramatically, like

1022
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: the fact they're selling out now and they don't have

1023
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 2: OU on the schedule and the home schedule is.

1024
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: Remarkable, like believably, never thought it would happen ever, ever, ever, ever.

1025
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: I think those two programs are two of the most

1026
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: fascinating ones right because Oklahoma I don't think ever should

1027
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: have left the Big Twelve.

1028
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: I just don't.

1029
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: They had more money than anybody. But Texas there was

1030
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: something special about it could recruit Dallas and be the

1031
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: team they were always in the Big Twelve champion game

1032
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 2: always and now there's still kind of just a team

1033
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: like you got to remake yourself in a new league,

1034
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: So I don't love that for them. Whereas Oklahoma State

1035
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: had this happened ten years ago, they're dead, it's over,

1036
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: like literally over no chance. But now they because they

1037
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: beat Oklahoma last year, you know, because you got you

1038
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: get most of your team back.

1039
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: Like they kind of got to going on now.

1040
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 2: Their schedule is stinky, tough, like I don't think Arkansas

1041
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: was walking the park.

1042
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: I think Utah's that's a hard one for him.

1043
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean Arizona State, even on homecoming, is a tough one,

1044
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: like Colorado game late in the year. Like there's a

1045
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: bunch of potential l's there, but they do not usually

1046
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: look good week one of the season, and it look

1047
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: good against South Dakota State. I think you'd like that

1048
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: trip if you if it happens, tell me I give

1049
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: you all the hookups.

1050
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: You need all of them, all right, So, okay.

1051
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 3: The Ore's there's another one in the Big twelve.

1052
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: It's really off the radar, like no one I expect

1053
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: this one. Guess it?

1054
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, okay, Okay, So you've been to the

1055
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: Ice State, You've been to k State, want to go

1056
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma in the Big twelve.

1057
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: It's off the radar. Uh oh, I got this one.

1058
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 4: B y U. No, that's one, but it's not by u.

1059
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, hold on Big twelve. I wouldn't be Kansas year.

1060
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: They player in a fucking soccer stadium. Yeah yeah, hold on,

1061
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: hold on.

1062
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: Big twelve.

1063
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: Oh Tech, that's Texas Tech.

1064
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: Taco Tech is fun.

1065
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Texas like Lubbit lobb It feels like it's

1066
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: on the moon to me.

1067
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like the whole other world love.

1068
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: It is on the moon.

1069
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's that's a perfect expression that like, and

1070
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: I know you're saying about Oregon. I've always feel that way.

1071
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: When you go to Seattle, you then of Seattle, like

1072
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: what country am I in? Lubbick is definitely on the moon.

1073
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, you get outside of Lubbock, can you

1074
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: get in that wet Texas got a desert.

1075
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 3: You're like, there's a lot of places to put bodies

1076
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: out there, man, Yeah, a lot of places.

1077
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: Yes, Like people think outside of Vegas there's bodies. It's

1078
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: definitely Lubbock. Is they get a little weird there too.

1079
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: That's a good time. That's a good time. I once

1080
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: got stuck in Lubbock.

1081
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: It was this sounds like a good country song.

1082
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: What's the first thirst? Me and Pat Knight in the

1083
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: back of their locker room. Pat Knight is Bob Knight's son.

1084
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: He replaced his father and he knew it was going bad.

1085
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: They're playing Texas. I fly in.

1086
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: He's like, come meet me in our lounge. We watched

1087
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: Balls of Fury, that's the ping pong movie. We watched

1088
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: it and then I got stuck there after they lost

1089
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: by like forty I was stuck there for like two days.

1090
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: We watched the movie at least four or five times.

1091
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: Nice just drinking beers, telling stories.

1092
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 4: It was great.

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Speaker 1: Then I got back to Connecticut.

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00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: I was in ESPN at the time, and I had

1095
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: this gigantic box delivered from Lubbock, Texas and was super

1096
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: light like it was like a thousand ping punk balls.

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Speaker 1: So that's my love. I've been to lub like a bunch.

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00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: It's a good time, Okay, So Byu, that's definitely beautiful. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've been stuck there on a Sunday and You're like,

1100
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: oh my god, what do I do?

1101
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: I went to Salt late last year. We went to Utah.

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00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 4: I just never been to.

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00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: Byu Salt Lakes kind of speaky cool.

1104
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: Yeah it is. I loved it.

1105
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Boise State, like I don't know if i'd never beenre

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Speaker 1: for a football game.

1107
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 4: I know they redoing their stadium, need to be there.

1108
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 3: Went to Court Vallis last year in the rain against

1109
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: Washington and it was so sad because like they've got

1110
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: a good team, but they also know there's like Sarah

1111
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: McLaughlin music in the background, like this is it, the

1112
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: game's over.

1113
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: We don't have a seat at the new table.

1114
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: And then they lost and it was Yeah, I'm pretty

1115
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 3: sure we saw the last game of Consequence ever at

1116
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: Beaver Stadium, Wisconsin.

1117
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: No desire going up there.

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00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: I haven't announced it publicly, but we're going up there

1119
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 3: for the Bama game, like next week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so once you come on over bro oh yeah,

1121
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's.

1122
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, next day, just so you know, the next day,

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Speaker 2: Sunday is the Packers home opener against the Colts.

1124
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: You know, we always have to get back for the

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00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: Sunday show.

1126
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: Though, what time Sunday Show.

1127
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 4: Sunday Show, seven o'clock Central.

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Speaker 3: But it's a whole day of production, like Sunday is

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00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: the busiest day.

1130
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Speaker 2: Sorry, well I may pop into Madison that I have

1131
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: a lot of friends going on there for that it's

1132
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: like a three hour drive.

1133
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: That's the one you want to be at. Man, think

1134
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: about it.

1135
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: They got Bama Oregon on the and Penn State on

1136
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: their home schedule this year. This is the year to

1137
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 3: be Wisconsin season ticket holder.

1138
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: I know, and like they've been so boring in the past.

1139
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my, yes, I have. Yeah. You imagine being

1140
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 4: a fan.

1141
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: Of of of the Big Ten West. It's legend. Oh

1142
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: it's it's listen.

1143
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: The SEC East was bad for a while, and the

1144
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: SEC offense was bad, but at least you go like, hey,

1145
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: maybe we can't score.

1146
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: You can't throw a four pass.

1147
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: But there's just dudes everywhere, just slow, thick legged football

1148
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: that also can't score.

1149
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, like the twenty seven year old fans

1150
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: have no noticeable bags under their eyes.

1151
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 4: They've just been through so much.

1152
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: It's tough you in ten years, what are you doing

1153
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: still this?

1154
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 3: I still think college football in some variety, who knows

1155
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: what else branches off of that, but I always want

1156
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 3: the core of whatever I'm doing to be related to

1157
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 3: college football.

1158
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 4: By far my biggest passion.

1159
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: Urban or Saban does either coach again.

1160
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: No, No, I'll actually go to the other side of

1161
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: that coin. I think a couple of guys are about

1162
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: to retire in the next five years that you perceive

1163
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: to be in the prime of their careers because they're

1164
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: realizing you get a raise to go do TV. Like

1165
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: we were just talking about Dabbo second ago. I'm not

1166
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: suggesting this is eminent, but Dabo's being criticized nine ways

1167
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: from Sunday for doing it the only way he knows

1168
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 3: how to do it.

1169
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 4: Sabin is all over his TV now.

1170
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: He's already won his championships, not as many a Saban,

1171
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: but he's already won his championships. He's proven himself. He

1172
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 3: was a former walk on at Alabama from Pelham High School.

1173
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: Like he's done at all. If he can go work

1174
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: at ESPN or Fox or NBC and sit behind a

1175
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: desk and make twelve or thirteen million dollars a year,

1176
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: that someone's about to do that.

1177
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 4: So Saban and Urban aren't going back.

1178
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: I think a couple of big ones are about to

1179
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: follow their footsteps to the broadcast world.

1180
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Last thing, you're a high school quarterback, you can go

1181
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: anywhere where do you go?

1182
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 3: I'd go play for Lincoln Riley at USC without question.

1183
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: If I take care of myself, Lincoln Riley will make

1184
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: me a top five draft pick. I'll probably win a

1185
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: Heisman in the process. I cannot assuredly say that about

1186
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: any other coach in college football other than Lincoln Riley.

1187
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: What could he he? What did he do to find mom?

1188
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: I don't really understand that one.

1189
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I'm always the last thing. I'm

1190
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: always the last to know about this stuff. I have

1191
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: been texted by my mom.

1192
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: I just again, I don't I don't watch. I don't

1193
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: watch or listen to Finebaum.

1194
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: I just saw that he just kind of just napalmed

1195
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: him in the in the off season.

1196
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: Look, a lot of people have whatever. I can only

1197
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: tell you this.

1198
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: A couple of really close friends of mine work for

1199
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: the dude, and they're like, fuck the coaching.

1200
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: He's the best dude there is. Like they worked.

1201
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys that's been in that business

1202
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: that are not good dudes, not great to work for,

1203
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: and he's he's unbelievable making it fun. And I think

1204
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: people realize that flipping flipping schools, it's a lot like

1205
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: flipping houses. Like you don't despite the TV shows, you

1206
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: don't make a million.

1207
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: On every house.

1208
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: It's hard and sc was foo Bard for a long

1209
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: time and I enjoyed that one.

1210
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that one.

1211
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 2: And I like Brian Kelly, but it's fun to watch

1212
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: him lose because you know, the old purple face back

1213
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: when he was at Notre Dame was super super.

1214
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have been a Notre Dame.

1215
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 3: Notre Dame is my favorite place to go as again,

1216
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: kid grows up in the South, my only introduction to neighbor.

1217
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's just really that's all I know. No,

1218
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 4: I'm telling you.

1219
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: Last year they play, so I've been up there for

1220
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: a Georgia game, in an Ohio State game.

1221
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 4: So I've been. I've seen it at its best.

1222
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: Last year they play Ohio State three point thirty kickoff.

1223
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: It's South Bend later in the year, so it's getting

1224
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: dark early and perfect weather day, blue skies, walla wall, sunshine,

1225
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: high in the lower seventies, no humidity to speak of,

1226
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 3: and around sunset time you got a one possession game,

1227
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: a couple of great uniforms on the field, places sold

1228
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: out as red and green looks like Christmas. And I

1229
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: remember thinking to myself I've been to all these venues

1230
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: in the SEC, but my appreciation for the history of

1231
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: this sport being in that setting Notre Dame Stadium, just

1232
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: knowing how much black and white footage I've watched from

1233
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: that place, that was as good as it gets to me.

1234
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: I count all the I'm not saying it's the loudest.

1235
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's the most fun. But my favorite

1236
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 3: that I've been to is a big game setting at

1237
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: Notre Dame Stadium.

1238
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: Big letdown was plus You're like, there's gonna be something

1239
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: else here.

1240
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one, Like we went to Clemson a

1241
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. They played A and M, and

1242
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: it was a great environment, but it was it was

1243
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: triple digits at kickoff, and so I think it killed

1244
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: the crowd a little bit. So I know I did

1245
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 3: not see Clemson at full throat. I'll tell you one.

1246
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: We go up to Kansas State a couple years ago.

1247
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: They're playing Oklahoma State. It was the forty nine to

1248
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: nothing game, okay, and I'm thinking to myself, I'm about

1249
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: to see a quintessential Big twelve shootout. Kansas State's quarterback's

1250
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: not playing, he's not starting lines like three, three and

1251
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: a half. Every one of these games all years like

1252
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: back and forth, one possession in the forties and complete

1253
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: splattering from bell one And as a result, the environment

1254
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: sucked and people are gone by halftime. So that game

1255
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: was a letdown. I'm sure Kansas State's great. I've just

1256
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: never been able to see a half decent game there.

1257
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: It's not. I'm met with you. Hey, dude, you're awesome

1258
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: with your time. I know you're super busy. Tell your

1259
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: crew I appreciate them staying up late. I know they

1260
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: always pay up late with your show, but I appreciate it.

1261
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Man, Thanks for having me.

1262
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: All right, that's it for this edition of All Ball.

1263
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: Of course we're going to have more hoops, but this

1264
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: is a podcast for interesting people and interesting stories, and

1265
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: yes they do revolve around sports in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Josh for joining us for so long. Of course,

1268
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: Mike Holds for producing it and editing it. Reminder of

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00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: the Doug Gottlieb Show airs daily three to five Eastern

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Speaker 2: twelve two Pacific. You can download that in podcast form

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Speaker 2: as well. Plus we have the in the bonus podcast

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Speaker 2: it's a podcast hour, no holds barre.

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1274
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Speaker 2: Download it wherever you download this, just type been Doug Golly.

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Speaker 2: You can get more of my stuff in the meantime.

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Speaker 2: I am Doug gottlieb Bean.

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Speaker 4: Di